Irma Now Forecast To Make Landfall At Category 5

NBC News reports:

The newest projected path for Hurricane Irma shows it regaining strength after it passes Cuba and making a Florida landfall as a Category 5 storm. Irma is then expected to move over Florida and then continue through Georgia and west over Huntsville, Alabama as it loses hurricane status.

With the current projected path, Irma will make landfall in the Keys and the southwestern tip of Florida early Sunday morning. Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 70 miles from the center. Tropical storm-force winds extend outward up to 185 miles.

On Friday morning, Irma was headed for the Bahamas with 180 mph sustained winds with gusts over 200 mph. It is expected to cause extensive damage in the islands. The storm slowed down to about 12 mph as it moved in a slightly more westerly direction. It is expected to make landfall in the Keys and then in Southwest Florida near Naples.

  • Lazycrockett

    Well that is gonna be good for the East Coast.

  • m_lp_ql_m

    I guess those thoughts and prayers did save Mar-a-Largo after all.

    • Silver Badger

      It ain’t over till it’s over.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    No scepter is going to stop that.

  • bkmn

    I read earlier that Barbuda, which was already pummeled by Irma, is evacuating everyone they can from the island ahead of Jose which is looking like it will hit the already devastated island

    • TrollopeReader

      ooof. Hard to move ~ 2,000 people easily …and where to? Antigua got hit hard, too ….

      • Daveed_WOW

        Trump will turn them away. Trump is Hitler.

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    This is relatively good news for Miami, no? And it pains me to say this, but Chris Coumo, nice arms, brah. Call me

    • ben-andy

      No. The worst rain and storm surge are on the NE side of a hurricane. Miami already has areas that “flood” at high tide. Miami might be spared the very “worst” wind as that is in the eyewall so the further away that is, yes. But an eastern pass is better than any western pass.

      • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

        Thanks for the reply. I thought it was the NW side. Ugh — what a nightmare

        • djcoastermark

          To add, Yesterday we in the Tampa Bay area were being told there really was no danger of storm surge. Because we were to be on the west side, water was actually going to be pushed out of the bay, leaving some spots “dry” to the seabed. This evening, because of the shift in the eye, we are now being warned of a storm surge of about 6 feet if no other shifting to the west.

          • Silver Badger

            We’ll be thinking of you all this weekend. Good luck!

          • djcoastermark

            Thanks, gonna need it.

          • SoCalGal20

            Stay safe out there!

    • pch1013
  • JoeMyGod

    Weather Channel guy just now said that storm surge and winds will probably be “about the same” on each coast no matter where the eye comes ashore. Because Irma is wider than Florida.

    • JoeMyGod

      But if this holds Naples and Fort Myers are in for a world of hurt.

      • pch1013

        Not to mention Key West.

      • netxtown

        Niece and her hubby are on their way out of Tampa as of earlier today. With them is a good friend who got out of the keys.

        They are all headed up to my sister’s brand new house in Pensacola – and if this massive fucker shifts even a bit more to the west – they are gonna have to make a run for it again.

        and my very last gay nerve is just about shot….

        • UrsusArctos

          Pensacola will be fine. We had a “cold/dry” front drop through on Wednesday which is keeping thing farther east. Hurricane don’t generally run into areas along the coast where the night temps are in the 50-60s.

        • FAEN

          I hope they are all safe. Please Keep us up to date.

          • netxtown

            they made 13 miles in 1.5 hours. ouch!

            just talked with sister in pensacola. she’s waiting on the kids coming up…and is gased up and ready to head north if they have to.

          • FAEN

            Jeebus-13 miles in 1.5 hours? That’s insane.

      • Joe in PA

        Damn, a good friend evacuated FT Lauderdale today…for Sarasota. A friend lives there with a reinforced concrete house. The place is located almost over to I-75, do storm surges go inland that far?

    • safari

      This tool might be useful to examine storm surge
      http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/035421.shtml?inundation

    • JuanGalicia

      Oh .. I was wondering if Miami would be safer since it moved a bit west from where it was predicted to hit last night but guess this dashes the hopes for that area.

      • netxtown

        Miami will now get the really rough side as it passes by.

    • Clair
  • HeyYouKidsGetOffMyLawn
    • CPT_Doom

      So glad my Dad evacuated yesterday. He’s got a friend with a condo in SC (inland) and it took him 11 hours for a normal 6 – 7 hour drive.

      • E.J.

        Hope he went north and not west. All of those people who came to Atlanta from Florida are going to get very wet.

      • FAEN

        Good! Glad he’s safe.

      • JCF

        Under twice as long? That’s pretty good (from what I’ve heard re Florida hurricane traffic).

  • AtticusP

    These storms are so unpredictable, though. It’s still very possible that Miami, Palm Beach and Fort Lauderdale will take a direct hit.

  • Pip

    Dammit, Kat Kerr, see what you’ve done!?!?

    • billbear1961

      You’re not anywhere near these storms, are you, Pip, sweetie?

      • Pip

        Nope, Dear Bear. I’m safe in Colorado. I’m hoping you’re safe too!

        • billbear1961

          xoxo

          Well, we’re in Montreal.

          It probably won’t end up doing much here!

          • Pip

            Glad to hear it! Everything should be petered out before it can reach you. xoxo

        • Silver Badger

          Colorado is the best place in the union. Be glad you’re here before we build the wall. Good thing we gotta a lotta rocks.

          • billbear1961

            Oh, you and your (gorgeous) mountains!

          • billbear1961

            That was supposed to start with “oh,” not “and”!

          • Silver Badger

            We have to build a wall around Colorado to protect us from the Texans and Californians who are overrunning our state.

          • netxtown

            Don’t Californicate Colorado!
            If gawd had meant for Texans to ski – he would have made bullshit white!

            I do miss living there.

          • Pip

            HA! I love Colorado, even if we are on fire and covered in smoke right now.

          • billbear1961

            I wish we could send some of our rain your way, sweetie!

  • safari
    • DaddyRay

      Danta,
      Danta, Danta
      Danta, Danta, Danta
      Here comes Irma, Irma’s going to go nuts
      Danta – Da – Da – Dah – Dah

      • Bryan

        “Are the muscles fresh?”
        lololol

    • DaddyRay
      • JoeMyGod

        Lois Bromfield came out as lesbian about 20 years ago.

        • safari

          I had no idea.

        • Reality.Bites

          Her sister Valri was never in. She was Dan Ackroyd’s performing parter and guested on the first episode of SNL.

          In newspaper and magazine articles in Canada at the time she was out – all the way back in 1975.

  • And the predicted climate catastrophe has officially begun. First shifts in traditional weather patterns. Then increasing weather “weirding” (aka unusual and unprecedented events, like Sandy). Katrina nearly destroying New Orleans was just the opening act, a preview if you will.

    Now, with so much heat in the ocean and energy in the atmosphere, we’re seeing huge mega-hurricanes—and not just one, but a series of them, in a row, all poised to hit the southeastern quadrant of the country, along with mass destruction of all the Caribbean islands.

    If only we’d had scientists and experts to warn us this was what would happen if we kept dumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere… Oh wait, they did.

    • billbear1961

      And they’ll STILL deny it, and the GUTLESS media in this country won’t stand up to them, call them out, hold them accountable, just as it fails to do with ALL liars and extremists in this bitter JOKE of a country!!

      • FAEN

        It’s also come to the point now where the deniers are so invested in the lie and they KNOW its a lie they can’t admit the ‘mistake’.

        • Galvestonian

          They’re Republicans –

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      • Kruhn

        Amen Brother Bear. The fact that Hurricane Irma gained strength on the narrow gap between Cuba and Western Florida shows the amount of heat in the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean basin.

    • Pip
    • Cuberly

      Yep…I’m gonna post it again.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fseG2IwpBqM

      • Jonathan Smith
      • vorpal 😼

        ❤️ Hank Green love ❤️

        • Cuberly

          YAYS! 😉

          • vorpal 😼

            He is the poster guy for adorkably cute, and the fact that he’s making science interesting and accessible to people without strong science education backgrounds is beyond hot and admirable.

          • vorpal 😼

            Have you read any of his brother John Green’s novels?

            I’ve found them mostly well-written and hard to put down, and that’s coming from someone who finds it quite difficult to muster up enough focus to read more than a couple novels a year.

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        He needs to cut back on his coffee.

        • Cuberly

          He has a few diagnosed conditions his early development was not a party. There is an episode where he sort of glibly admits he’s on medication. I can’t remember which episode.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byh0aAC5vm0

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            As a person with ADHD, I realize how difficult this is. There are compensations that develop. As a child, I could not learn to read. Suddenly, I could read. No one knew what happened. Apparently, the information was going in, it just took me awhile to learn to use it.

          • Cuberly

            Same here, I’ve got a bit of ADHD and well, I’m pretty well ensconced in the Asperger spectrum.

            When I made it into college and I finally comprehended algebra it was an epiphany. OMG, why is it I can read and remember so many novels, paint like a son of a bitch but algebra literally hurt.

            I was an art major, despite my ADHD I could visually recall every single painting in art history class, and even place them in their genre in the blink of an eye.

            I still have those moments of incomprehension, just as it was when I was a kid.

          • vorpal 😼

            ADHD (untreated) here as well. When I finally found out a few years ago that I had it, suddenly so many things from my past made a ton of sense.

            When I told my parents, they laughed and said, “Uhhhh, DUH. You THINK? This wasn’t a secret to anyone but you.”

            I would prefer to not take medication for it since I’m already on a number of meds for other health issues and don’t want to bump that number up, and mindfulness meditation and regular exercise seem to help a ton with my ability to focus and remember things, but it can still be debilitating some days where I cannot organize my thoughts at all or get anything done. This happens in particular if a task has multiple steps that aren’t clearly and linearly demarcated, at which point I start to fall apart and become overwhelmed.

            Hubby has learned how to work with it quite well to get me to actually do things, i.e. by giving me one task at a time.

          • vorpal 😼

            I watched this, and it was like I was listening to myself talk.
            (Well, a cuter version of myself, admittedly, but almost everything he said applied exactly to me. I, too, got a lot of help and had a computer from a young age and programming became a way for me to work productively with my ADHD.)

            I also manage mine with daily mindfulness meditation (usually two sessions of 20 minutes each, and sometimes longer ones or more if time permits) and strenuous cardiovascular exercise, which slows my mind down and allows me to focus on one thing at a time instead of scatterbrainedly trying to do one thing for three minutes, and then something else for ten, and then something for four, etc, which leads to me not making any progress on any of them and just feeling completely overwhelmed and uncomfortably stimulated.

      • Todd20036

        Blah blah blah….

        TAKE OFF YOUR SHIRT!!

    • Ninja0980

      Back in 1995 in fact when there 21 named storms for the first time, with several of them being major hurricanes.
      No one listened to them, to our own peril.

    • another_steve

      Have you, Becca, or anyone else reading here seen any reporting or news articles directly tying these recent hurricanes and their ferocity to global warming?

      (And let’s all stop referring to it as “climate change,” please – however more “accurate” and PC that term might be. The Democrats’ adoption of that term was imo the #1 worst environment-related decision in recent history. The vast majority of people – most of whom aren’t paying close attention to this – read “climate change” and think, “So what? Everything in life changes.”)

      • Kenster999

        I recall reading at one point that the prior term, “global warming,” was considered ineffective because the deniers would see a giant snowstorm and say, “Look at all that snow, so much for global warming!” Now, of course, we have the problem that you mention. We definitely need a better term. We’re foolish to hamstring ourselves with something that is so easily misunderstood out of the gate by so many people.

        • Mike__in_Houston

          I know. How about “weather extremes”? /s

        • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

          “Environmental apocalypse” works for me.

        • bzrd

          if we say global warming or climate change here at JMG we know what WE are talking about. those with their elevator stuck in the basement forever, don’t give a hoot what it’s called. climate change is very descriptive since some areas will see way more rain and cold while others are burning up but we know it means global warming, We are fcked

        • greenmanTN

          How about The Globe Is Warming, which is an observable fact?

        • Steve Teeter

          How about “climate disaster”?

      • Just Noh

        fucking frank luntz. totally his doing, like “death tax,” etc

        motherfcker (or in luntzspeak “maternally attracted supporter”)

        • FAEN

          I really hate that ugly fucker. Saw him on Maher last year maybe talking about how he wanted to be less divisive! Fucking asshole creates so much damage and is now sad that he can’t control the monster.

      • coram nobis

        Whatever happened to “the greenhouse effect”?

        • another_steve

          Too scientific-sounding. No one who’s not in the know is able to intuit what it means. If you want to mobilize people (here, for a good cause), you need to appeal to angst and fear.

          “Global warming.”

    • Do Something Nice

      I know these are anecdotal examples, but we had the most bizarre weather this summer in Barcelona. And then I came home to my other home in San Francisco to the hottest days ever recorded.

      • That’s the “weirding.”

        • m_lp_ql_m

          Yea, SF’s weather was kinda strange too.

          • pch1013

            Tropical mosquitoes – the kind that carry nasty diseases – have been found in California and Nevada. Good times.

          • FAEN

            I’ve had malaria several times. I swear even my eyelashes hurt.

          • vorpal 😼

            Oi… that sounds extraordinarily unpleasant :(.
            Do you live in areas where malarial mosquitoes are typical?
            Do the anti-malarials work when you’re sick, or only as a preventative measure?

          • FAEN

            I did for a while. It’s very unpleasant and the virus never really goes away though I think now you can take medication to kil the virus completely.

            It times of extreme stress it will pop up but thankfully I know how to deal with it so it doesn’t knock me out.

        • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

          Our weather hasn’t been a gradual change of seasons. It’s abrupt switches from cold to hot, and vice versa.

          Also, geese and migratory birds are already flocking and the trees are changing. This is a good month ahead of schedule.

          What is “normal” anymore?

          • Hryflex

            Not here in Upstate NY. Aside from the maple trees turning brown for the surfeit of water this summer, trees that used to start turning in mid-August are still green. I have some “unusual” fruits in my yard. Two years ago my persimmons were already dropping ripe fruit and I’d already had a couple of ripe pawpaws by this time, while the schisandra and highbush cranberries were still unripe until October. This year just the opposite. BeccaM has the right word: “weirding”.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Now, if it’s weird – it’s normal.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I was in Oregon a few weeks ago and it was really unusually dry and brown. I had never seen Oregon look like that any of the other times I’ve been there.

      • cheakamus

        Last week on my way to the gay nude beach just outside Seattle, I was startled to see dozens of ordinary citizens with telescopic lenses and tripods lined up along the bank above. Thinking that they couldn’t ALL be voyeurs, I decided to ask one what was going on. Turned out there’s a rare seagull from the Galapagos Islands visiting, only the third one ever seen in these parts, and birders were coming from out of state to see it. My boyfriend, who’s a wild animal vet, has also treated several Guadalupe fur seals this summer; they were well outside their natural habitat, probably following their food supply.

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      Blame it on Al Gore — he politicized the issue, after all, making it impossible for the GOP to be sensible

      http://crooksandliars.com/2017/09/david-brooks-blames-al-gore-gop-climate

    • UrsusArctos

      Katrina didn’t drown NOLA, it took the USACoE to do that. Us on the Gulf Coast took Katrina in the teeth. The city got some wind/rain, but were on the left side of the eye. But yes, stronger but possibly fewer storms isn’t a good thing. With Gulf/Atlantic water temps like they have been, I’ve been surprised it took this long to get another monster storm or two.

      • Joe in PA

        Just have a look at Rt 90 in Gulfport. So sad.

        • UrsusArctos

          We were actually kind of relieved the afternoon the eye cleared the coast. We knew Harrison/Hancock counties took beatings (along with St Bernard/Plaquemines parishes) but thought recovery would be MUCH easier since the eye missed the New Orleans by 45-50 miles. Yeah, so much for that.

    • shellback

      • vorpal 😼

        And most of all, don’t stay in your homes: if it’s too late to evacuate, take your loved ones including non-human critters and find the safest, most secure structure in your area.

        Please don’t let your doubt rob you of your life and rob us of sharing it with you.

    • vorpal 😼

      When the “false flags” (Nazi and confederate) start getting ripped right off their flag posts from the hurricane-level winds, maybe the climate change deniers will be willing to reconsider.

    • Jeffg166

      Or it could be god’s judgement on the Bible Belt.

  • ben-andy

    Oops. Kat Kerr, better shake a stick at it again.

    • billbear1961

      Hello, ben-andy!

      • ben-andy

        Hi, Billy Bear!

        Hope you are cool and dry. Not so hot but fairly humid for LA. And our big fire is out as of Tuesday when I got home from the CA Men’s Gathering in Sta Rosa.

        OT: on Labor Day, my 18 year old nephew sent mah husband a photo of him kissing a boy. We have a new Gayby in the family!

        • billbear1961

          I hope by the time it reaches us, in Quebec, it’s just a little rain!

          • ben-andy

            A late summer shower, so refreshing!

          • bambinoitaliano

            Lucky us at the North the trio of hurricanes might not even touch the east coast.

          • billbear1961

            We’re bound to get something, even this far north, unless it heads right out to sea after striking the south.

            One of the maps showed it cutting right into NY State, by which time you’d think most of its strength would be at gone.

            But it may still dump a lot of rain!

          • ByronK

            Great, like we haven’t had enough rain. It feels like we’ve had so much lately in Toronto.

          • billbear1961

            If only we could redirect some of it to the west coast, to put out their fires!

    • JWC

      or hop on it and fly back to Seattle

  • bkmn

    Since there is no climate change why isn’t Trump at Mar-a-Fraudo this weekend?

    • Jonathan Smith
      • Hue-Man

        Hard to avoid the water hazard.

        • bzrd

          turn the golf carts into boats

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          Yeah, but the gators don’t give mulligans.

    • safari

      He’s plotting with his cabal at Camp David this weekend. Expect a political cyclone next week.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        Item A: Gather ‘info’ supporting $3B FEMA claim (other sources? $$$) of MAL ‘damag…..COMPLETE AND UTTER DEMOLISHMENT”

  • Do Something Nice

    Hoping for the best for people in Irma’s path.

    • Scott Carpenter

      Hoping for Trump’s “best” people to be in Irma’s path.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    I wonder which model is this based on. The U.S. models have not been performing well for Irma compared to the Euro model.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/us-forecast-models-have-been-pretty-terrible-during-hurricane-irma/

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      And the U.S. models did not perform well in last November’s election.

    • SoCalGal20

      The US and Euro models matched pretty well yesterday when I was watching during Hardball. The US model was slightly to the east-central part of FL and the Euro was slightly west-central FL.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Yeah, I just now found this where it says the two models are converging. The Euro model looks slightly worse for Tallahassee and the U.S. model looks slightly worse for Jacksonville, but either way, all of the Florida peninsula is in for a beating.

        https://twitter.com/BILLWALSHTV/status/906278009488986112

        • UrsusArctos

          JAX is going to take a beating if these models are correct. Tallahassee will be to the left/west of the eye, which means the bays at the Gulf will empty out with offshore wind flow from the north, wind but not surge. Wind is bad, water kills.

  • Ninja0980

    Sad to say but the only hope that it wouldn’t hit as such would have been if it hit Cuba first.
    But that would mean other people would be getting hurt to save Florida.
    Just hope everyone has done what they can to stay safe.

      • djcoastermark

        Yes. Irma will leave no part of Florida untouched. This thing is massive and because it is going up the spine of Fla, there is going to be one hellava mess for quite some time to come.

        • safari

          Thankfully it looks like Jose is going to turn NE soon.

          • JWC

            Lets hope so. Those poor religious folks and all that prayin Its exhausting I tell ya

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            So Kat Kerr’s “authority” worked. She just shook her stick at the wrong hurricane. /s

    • Kenster999

      ^^^ THIS!!! And how long until those affected (island nations, the rest of the world, etc) want to take revenge on those who caused the problem (the US, for decades of pollution and now for pulling out of Paris Agreement)?

      A caveat: I haven’t read this yet, but the science had better be pretty solid. Any obvious flaws will simply give ammunition to climate deniers and make things worse.

    • JCF

      Nah, just name them “RepublicansSuck1-(infinity)” and be done w/ it.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Cuberly

    OT: The Equifax thingy gets all the more revolting by the minute.

    https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/906287030165921793

    • billbear1961

      GANGSTER capitalism and those who SERVE it and ONLY it!

      Any society that accepts the authority of obvious GANGSTERS at the helm DESERVES what it GETS!

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        But… but… there will be men peeing in the ladies room!

        • coram nobis

          Or women peeing in the Lincoln Bedroom?

    • JWC

      Is Putin behind the Equifax leaks??

      • Lazycrockett

        Naw this is just good old american incompetence and greed.

        • JWC

          lets hope thats all

      • Cuberly

        Would be interesting if they released where they think the breach originated from. I haven’t read anything about it yet.

        • JWC

          so far its looks like a CYA move on their part

          • Cuberly

            Heh….there’s an exposed system somewhere that’s unaccounted for…heh…

      • Todd20036

        And is there another video tape?

        • JWC

          the mind boggles

    • Do Something Nice

      And if you check to see if your data was hacked, you could be waiving your rights.

      http://www.businessinsider.com/equifax-help-site-mandatory-arbitration-clause-waive-right-to-class-action-lawsuit-2017-9

      • Cuberly

        Love it, so now they’ve inserted an opt out option for arbitration but you have to notify them in writing in 30 days from accepting their monitoring.

        Smarmy assholes. I’ve been looking for other monitoring options. I don’t want anything to do with Equifax beyond what they’ve already fucked up.

        “Equifax has since added a clause to its terms of service allowing people to opt out of being bound by the arbitration provision, although consumers must notify Equifax by mail within 30 days of enrolling in the monitoring service.”
        “New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, who on Friday launched an investigation into the Equifax breach, called the arbitration clause’s language “unacceptable and unenforceable.”
        “My staff has already contacted @Equifax to demand that they remove it,” Schneiderman wrote on Twitter.”

    • jimbo65

      Assholes. I hope alot of those same GOP become victims of identity theft.

      • Cuberly

        Anonymous needs to hack their offshored tax havens in the Canary Islands.

        • Oh, Parker

          Like yesterday.

          • Cuberly

            Maybe Anonymous can hack the off shore accounts then transfer the $$ to the 140M that Equifax fucked over…..yeah, I know. But it would be a seriously awesome form of justice.

    • vorpal 😼

      Nonstop sick greedy shit like this makes me think it’s time to dust off the guillotine and let the 1% interface with it.

      • netxtown

        I’ll get my grinding stone….

        • vorpal 😼

          We don’t want it to be too sharp or it takes all the fun out of it.

          • safari

            I was going to say, it’d just be easier to drop the blade a few times.

      • Cuberly

        Remember when the evil Wall Street barrons where at the top of Donnie Trump’s most wanted list…VERY early in the primaries?

        Yeah, that evaporated rather quickly didn’t it.

        Ain’t it surprising how concerns re; income inequality sort of evaporate so quickly?

        • vorpal 😼

          They’re still at the top of his most-wanted list: he wants to fellate them with his hideously pursed sienna lips to please them.

          Trump is a terrific salesman, provided you are a brain damaged goat.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        It’s times like these I realize upper management and lawyers and lobbiests who are well off but not the 1% are carrying out all the grunt work on this shit and I realize they need to go too.

        • vorpal 😼

          Agreed, and certainly, not all of the 1% are bad people by any means. There are some really gifted self-made successful hard workers amongst the 1% that give back tremendously to the less fortunate.

          That being said, I think psychopathy and narcissistic personality disorders tend to thrive amongst some of the 1% since not having any sense of empathy cultivates the greed and selfishness that allows one to flourish without regret or shame from the hard work of others. We could do with a purge of those people, who don’t seem to realize that wealth is a finite resource and thus, by accumulating absurd amounts of it that they could never hope to reasonably use, they are depriving others in a way that is indeed deplorable.

    • worstcultever

      Enough shit like this, and Liz Warren will be the next prez.

      • Cuberly

        I’d be totally cool with that.

  • Adam King

    God hates red states.

  • Bluto
  • Stubenville

    This will be an utter misery for millions of people.

  • DaddyRay

    GOP: Now is not the time to talk about Climate Change

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    OT: WTF– what’s Putin’s lil bitch up to now? Can someone explain why this might be a good thing?

    http://thehill.com/policy/defense/349886-us-pulls-back-surveillance-on-isis-convoy-at-request-of-russians?amp

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Putin getting a return on his investment. It’s expensive buying U.S. elections.

  • Ken M

    At last check I saw the major theme parks staying open. Anyone know of a change?

    • djcoastermark

      According to Theme Park Review, who are in direct contact with the parks 24/7, Busch Gardens is closed starting tomorrow as well as some of the water parks. Disney, Universal , Sea world are at this time, opening tomorrow with shortened hours, closing as early as 5. They all have said they will be closed until at least tuesday. Of course, opening tomorrow might change. A side note, this is the first time in Disney history it will be closed for more than 1 day at a time.

      • houstonray

        So employees are expected to stay until 5pm tomorrow and THEN evacuate? Screw that I’d be outta there yesterday….

        • djcoastermark

          Here’s another funny for ya’. This weekend was to be a big Christian music festival at both Disney and Universal. I guess gawd was angry with them .

        • Ken M

          I’d just ask to stay underground at Disney. The tunnel system must be massive.

          • thatotherjean

            But possibly very wet. I don’t think I’d want to be in a tunnel in a Florida hurricane.

      • JWC

        Oh the $hame, the horror$

        • djcoastermark

          And, it was supposed to be Christian music fest weekend at Disney and Universal.

          • JWC

            ah Damn

  • pch1013

    Damn. This is shaping up to be the most expensive natural disaster in U.S. history.

    • DaddyRay

      Nah, that will end up being Trump

      • pch1013

        There’s nothing “natural” about that disaster.

        • DaddyRay

          Good point

      • coram nobis

        No, that’s an example of a manmade disaster.

        • JWC

          a Failed social experiment

  • Dean Chambers

    I live in North Central Florida. I’m out of state right now, but I just got off the phone with a neighbor back home.. There is no gasoline to be had anywhere in the Gainesville area. All the supermarkets are out of food, water, batteries, generators, etc. I-75 is a parking lot.

    Last year when the hurricane went up the east side of Florida, there was no gas to be had until about Macon, Georgia. So if you are still in South Florida, there’s no way you are going to drive out of the way of this storm. You sure as hell won’t be safe sitting in a car that runs out of gas. Find a good shelter and get your ass over there now!

    My stupid sister and hubby are in West Palm, refusing to leave because of their horse, pot-bellied pigs and five dogs. They will be on the northeastern corner of this thing, which will be a tornado nightmare.

    • Dramphooey

      I hope they’re all right. I read on Twitter about people hanging around gas stations hoping a truck with gas would show up.

      • bkmn

        I saw that trucks that had been carrying gas from Florida to Houston were ordered to turn around a couple of days ago

  • Natty Enquirer

    NHC needs to come up with a new type of diagram. It’s too easy to read these as showing the assured path with the boundary of effects, which is totally wrong. In fact, Irma could track right over Cuba, lose most of its strength, and toddle out into the Gulf.

    • Hue-Man

      The problem is that being 3,000 miles away, I can say that these path forecasts should have a SUBJECT TO CHANGE stamp on them; if I were in Florida, I would rely on these forecasts to make what could be life-or-death decisions. Personally, I would be ecstatic if Irma make a hard right turn into the Gulf Stream and terrorized cold North Atlantic waters!
      Similarly, we shouldn’t berate officials who make recommendations based on these forecasts if their advice turns out to be unnecessary because the hurricane decided to make a last-minute course correction.

      • djcoastermark

        Oh the local forecasters emphasize this all the time. Us locals know all to well that the forecast /spaghetti/cone maps are estimates. Hurricane Charly is the perfect example. It was supposed to come up through Tampa Bay, instead took a last minute 90 degree turn into Punta Gorda.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    And at the worst possible time, there’s this.

    https://twitter.com/NPR/status/906104938438242304

    • DaddyRay

      And Jose is following right behind – not to mention the wildfires

      Time for the GOP to talk tax cuts

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Clearly, what we need right now is tax breaks for the 0.1%.

        • ultragreen

          That’s right. Health care, education, and infrastructure – who needs them?

        • Cuberly

          The GOP economy is approaching much faster than expected.

    • John Ruff

      Thank God my taxes may be lowered. Tired of these fellow citizens always expecting me to lend a hand…s/

    • safari

      I guess we’ll have to play the game of spending cuts to offset…
      …or not since it isn’t the northeast.

      • canoebum

        Sitting here in the far Northeast, looking at all of what has happened in the past two weeks with these storms, and knowing we’ve had a very cool summer, I’m thinking we could get walloped by some wicked snow storms this winter. I’m not looking forward to them.

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          In Ohio it’s been very cool and leaves are falling, not a good sign of things to come. We’ve had a few mild winters and now I think we’ll pay for them.

          • stuckinthewoods

            That’s happening here too but it was dry and hot in midsummer which seems to exhaust foliage early. Was it dry there too?

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            Now that you mention it we did go several weeks with harfly a drop of rain, all systems seemed to have gone over or under us. The lawn browned out considerably, we thought about watering but I was like, for who? The Dog? He’s just gonna shit on it.

    • bkmn

      And the GOP is still contemplating raiding next years FEMA budget so they can give the uber-rich another TAX CUT

  • Lazycrockett
    • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

      Whoa

    • djcoastermark

      Pretty much explains why gas stations are out of gas and stores are out of water and lots of non perishable foods.

      • John Ruff

        Total havoc

    • Adam King

      I’m sure Governor Skeletor has everything in hand.

    • ultragreen

      It’s not possible to evacuate that many people. Where are they supposed to go?

      • safari

        One of the Floridia emergency managers said on NPR that if people get north of I-4 in the center of the state they’d live if they didn’t do something stupid. I thought that was somewhat presumptuous

  • Lazycrockett
  • Randy503

    The curator of the Hemingway house is staying with the house, with a small staff. they are taking care of the cats and the house. I really hope they are okay.

    • Lazycrockett

      The house is made of 18 inch bricks of solid limestone. It was build in the mid 1800’s and has never had any damage. Plus it is on the highest part of the Keys.

      • djcoastermark

        Which isn’t saying much for being a high point.

      • John Ruff

        I used to live in Key West. I don’t care how thick those walls are at Hemingway House. That curator will regret it. There are no storm cellars in the keys.

      • Ninja0980

        If it survived the 35 hurricane, it can likely ride out this one.

      • Oh, Parker

        Have you ever seen what limestone bricks look like when hit by a bus traveling at 150 mph?

    • John Ruff

      What an idiot. Foolishness.

    • JustDucky

      Hemingway’s granddaughter has said they should take the cats and go. I wish they’d listen to her.

      http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/08/mariel-hemingway-to-manager-at-ernest-hemingway-home-take-the-cats-and-go/

  • DaddyRay

    I imagine you could get cheap tickets to Disney World

    • Ninja0980

      Closed until Monday though.
      Hubby and I will be going down in Dec..almost afraid to see what it will be like in parts of Florida…

  • Lazycrockett
    • BearEyes

      dogs are good judges of a person.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Which is why Dumpf has never had a dog.

        • FAEN

          And I’m very glad that he doesn’t. I would feel awful for the dog.

        • greenmanTN

          Give a dog to Trump or a Huckabee? It’s a toss-up about which would be worse.

          • Todd20036

            Trump would eat it.

      • FAEN

        They are the best. If a dog doesn’t like someone it’s best to stay away.

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          I always trust my dogs opinion, he’s never been wrong.

        • BearEyes

          agreed. I watch my dogs’ reactions when they meet someone new and let them guide me.

    • worstcultever

      that pic is so beautyful it’s making me tear up

    • SoCalGal20

      Awwwwww!!!! They flew them to San Diego!

      • thatotherjean

        Any idea on how their owners will be able to get them back?

    • FAEN

      I so love that.

    • JCF

      I predict: someone’s face is about to get a tongue-washing! 😉

  • Talisman

    In non-Irma news, Country music legend Don Williams has died.

    http://www.cmt.com/news/1786330/country-music-hall-of-fame-member-don-williams-dead-at-age-78/

    “Amanda” and “Good Ol Boys like me” are a couple of my favorite songs of all time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Vw6UrEKq4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzGx_XzxDeM

    • Talisman

      And so has Troy Gentry, one-half of the country group Montgomery Gentry. I know the names, but nothing about the music.

      http://www.cmt.com/news/1786334/troy-gentry-killed-in-helicopter-crash/

    • worstcultever

      Thanks for this. I only knew of him cuz my sister brought home his album that opened with “Some Broken Hearts Never Mend” and I was hooked on his simple excellence. RIP

  • JuanGalicia

    is it me or is Miami in a better position here? .. seems like the worst will be west.. still a catastrophic event but will Miami be relatively fine?

    • JWC

      I understand the storm corridor is 70 milles wide so I don’t know what parameters would be considered safe

      • BearEyes

        70 miles from the centre – each way

        • djcoastermark

          Which covers shore to shore. Gulf to Atlantic.

          • Natty Enquirer

            And the effects are worst in the northeast quadrant.

          • E.J.

            A lot of people trying to go north through Atlanta, during Friday rush hour

          • djcoastermark

            Yikes, as if rush hour isn’t bad enough in Atlanta.

          • E.J.

            At 9:30 I75 and US 41 (which parallels 75) were both parking lots heading north.

  • vorpal 😼

    I guess Kat Kerr should have flapped that sceptre about a little harder and longer.
    Sounds like she didn’t manage to satisfy her lord and master Jesus.

    • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

      She’s going to need a bigger sceptre.

      • Adam King

        It’s gotta be big enough to scare Baby Jeeby into doing what she says.

      • Natty Enquirer

        Don’t we all.

        • FAEN

          Actually I’m very happy with my scepter 😊.

          • Joe in PA

            Braggart. 🙂

          • FAEN

            [email protected] braggart. Love that word. Doesn’t get used enough. Neither does ‘fibber’ IMO.

    • JWC

      or fly back to Seattle from whence she came

      • vorpal 😼

        It may be a few days before she can.
        I hear her broom is in the shop.
        Something about splinters.

        • JWC

          won’t she melt if she gets wet

          • vorpal 😼

            Just got back to the hotel from my last medical test that I needed done (yeeeha!) and while the midazolam and fentanyl that they shot me up with is lingering and making me happy-smiley, I’m still not doped up enough to entertain the possibility of Kat Kerr getting moist. =shudders=

            Bad John! =grins=

          • JWC

            Heard from TD late last nite this morning for me Had a long drive , back roads from TPA to TAL message was dated 02:23 He and his partner and Dog all arrived safe Now will see what Sunday brings

          • vorpal 😼

            Awesome. Thanks for keeping us updated!
            It is much appreciated!
            Oh, and next you talk to him, say a big friendly hello from me!

          • JWC

            well with upcoming weather and possible power outages after itmay be this time next week but I will keep you in the loop

          • vorpal 😼

            Let’s hope not! I am pulling a Cartman and extending as many positive telekinetic vibes as possible to our southeast US friends!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Tj_l4PcPs

          • JWC

            Ooooookay hehe

          • UrsusArctos

            Good. I’d asked him about his routing before he left Tally. His plan was interstate/US highways. I was polite and didn’t give him crap, but figured it would be state/county roads for the return trip since he probably knows his way around the Big Bend area. You couldn’t pay me to try driving the mainline highways over there right now,

          • JWC

            Where are you located

          • UrsusArctos

            I’m on the MS Coast. The bluest part of this very red state.

          • JWC

            MS coast?

          • UrsusArctos

            Mississippi Gulf Coast

          • JWC

            Ah gotcha so are you also in this mess

          • UrsusArctos

            Not this time. We’re looking good.
            I know the other areas involved fairly well having spent a good deal of time there because of family from FTL to TPA toJAX to P’cola. I understand a LOT of what some people are clueless is coming to them. I’m stressed and empathizing with all y’all and waiting to find out what parts of family are going to have needs. Harvey was the same way. I’ve spent a lot of time in coastalTX/east TX/LA so I knew where some folks were going to get clobbered.

          • JWC

            And I live on an island in the Pacific Northwest Canada ( not Vancouver)

          • UrsusArctos

            Gawds country for sure. I would love to relocate to almost anywhere on the Sunshine Coast or Salish Sea.

          • JWC

            WA state has the San Juans islands BC has the Gulf island the Sunshine Coast is NW of Vanc

          • UrsusArctos

            I’ve traveled that area a good bit. I love the area around Nainamo and across the straight around Sechelt. They both seem really livable if you don’t need to be in the city.

          • JWC

            yet the city is that not that far away if you need it

          • JWC

            Fentanyl becareful my friend A street version of that has claimed neary 1000 lives in 2 years here

          • vorpal 😼

            Worry not! This was administered by doctors in a closely monitored medical setting.

            Yeah, I know all too well that the epidemic of fentanyl analogues and U-47700 being sold as heroin and oxycodone pills have killed off way too many people. Very tragic. 🙁

          • JWC

            China merrily supplies the west coast Vancouver heavily Fentanyl and Carfentanyl (fentanylx100)

          • vorpal 😼

            Yup. The fact that carfentanil is actually being sold online is completely nuts.

            An acquaintance of mine on the research chemical community on reddit had a friend who overdosed and died just breathing the air when he opened his bag of carfentanil to dissolve it in a solvent so that he could measure it out volumetrically, since it is essentially impossible to find a scale that can measure it safely.

            The opioid epidemic isn’t going away any time soon, and restricting safer opioids is going to make people turn to extremely dangerous ones like carfentanil.

            Recently, a kilogram of carfentanil sent through the mail from China was intercepted by the Canadian border officials. That is frighteningly enough carfentanil to kill almost the entire population of Canada.

            Given the severity of my Crohn’s pain, I’ve gone through the opioid merry-go-round of hell and have almost entirely managed to escape it, although it took four years to get off of opiods. Last year I made the mistake of buying U-47700 a few times and I’m pretty sure I almost died on at least two occasions from near overdose.

            Even though U-47700 made me feel by a vast margin the =best= that I have ever felt to the point where you can’t even describe it to someone who hasn’t taken it, I’m not making that mistake again, and it was tragic to hear that it was a combo of fentanyl analogues and U-47700 that Prince died from ingesting.

          • JWC

            it has been said that a pihead of carfentanyl is fatal For my knees and hips i will stay with my trusty BC Bud

          • vorpal 😼

            Yes, a pinhead would be fatal to even the most tolerant of heroin junkies.

            I wish I could develop a liking for weed. Almost all the gastroenterologists I’ve had have recommended it to me, since it seems to be exceptionally good at helping with Crohn’s pain and symptoms and can even help put Crohn’s into remission.

            That being said, I adore playing substances, but weed is the ONE substance that is too much for me. I react atypically to it and it is completely overwhelming, and I have tried all kinds of different strains of indica and sativa and blends.

            I love my dissociative anaesthetics (think drugs in the same family as ketamine and PCP)… they don’t have the physical addiction problem of opioids, alcohol, and benzodiazepines; they’re quite difficult to overdose on; and they’re not only incredibly great for completely eliminating pain but absolutely fascinating as all hell. I probably wouldn’t be a liberal atheist if not for them.

          • JWC

            ah the infamy of it all an allergy to pot Is ther no justice

          • vorpal 😼

            It’s extra ridiculous in our house because the hubby is about as massive a pot head that you can imagine. He keeps the pipe on the nightstand so he can smoke from the second he wakes up to the second he goes to bed!

            Some of my psychedelic idols, namely Alexander and Ann Shulgin (the chemist and his wife responsible for popularizing MDMA / ecstasy and discovering the majority of hallucinogenic drugs we have today) both could handle insane psychedelic experiences that would terrify most people, but even a bit of pot sent them into a complete dysfunctional panic, just like me. It’s so strange how vastly different brains can be wired.

          • JWC

            Possibly a correlation between what you start out with as to what you handle later I have only been a pot affeceindo since 2003 retirement

          • RoFaWh

            In medical hands, there’s little worry. I had a small operation a few years ago. During the negotiation with surgeon and anesthetist, local or general, the anesthetist chirped “I’ve already added a little fentanyl to his IV drip.” At that point my memory ceases, though I apparently remained coherent for a short while longer.

          • FAEN

            Oy-are you ok?

          • vorpal 😼

            I have a pretty aggressive case of Crohn’s Disease that has made a good chunk of my adult life challenging, and while I had surgery that put it into remission in 2010, late 2016 – 2017 has been extremely stressful for a number of reasons and kicked it back into high gear, unfortunately. I’ve been off work for about 10 weeks now due to pain and symptoms of severe vitamin deficiencies from malabsorption. (For example, normal Vit-D levels are 30-100 whereas mine measured at 8.5, which is considered extreme deficiency that explains a lot of what I’ve been going through over the last few months and my up until recent bouts of insomnia and erratic mood swings.)

            Fortunately, most of the stress has now been eliminated and the break from work has done me a ton of good. I’m on new medications and heavy megadoses of vitamin supplements, and getting the tests done that I need to start up on Humira, which is covered by the Chilean government provided you jump through all the right hoops. (This is good as it would cost me around $100k / year before limited insurance reimbursements.)

            My doctor is convinced that we acted early enough this time that the Humira should put me completely in remission in short order and have me healthy and happy and purring like a frenzied feline once more!

            Today was the last set of tests… one of those battery of tests where doctors decide to make your digestive system into essentially a photography studio. Fortunately I was drugged up enough for the poking and prodding to not remember or feel that much of it, which was a nice change of pace since usually doctors underdose me for these tests, in which case, they can be extremely uncomfortable and anxiety producing. Doctors and health care here in Chile have been surprisingly awesome, attentive, friendly, understanding, and helpful! I came to with two sheets of photos of my insides, which is more of myself than I ever wanted or needed to see. 😀

            I’m hoping to return to work at the end of the month if all goes according to plan.

          • FAEN

            My sweet Vorpal, I had no idea you were going through all this. Keep us informed about the tests and your recovery.

            *Hugs*

          • vorpal 😼

            Awwww… thanks so much, dear FAEN! You are wonderful for being so caring. Fantastic posters like you are the reason I keep coming here and despite the depressing headlines that we’ve had to endure as of late, still find this website a true joy.

            I will keep you updated for certain! There are a few of us here struggling with health issues recently, and it’s really nice to find solace, humour, and caring in this amazing community.

            =megahugs returned in triplicate!=

          • FAEN

            You are too kind sweet Vorpal.

            Specially in this time in history feeling supported and cared for is uber important and that’s exactly what I feel here at JMG. Just as you do.

            I hope some day we have a massive JMG get together because I would really love to meet the faces behind the witty, intelligent banter we have here. What an amazing party that would be don’t you think?

          • vorpal 😼

            Agree. If there ever IS a large JMG gathering that is announced well enough in advance that I could make the arrangements to attend, I would definitely be there. I have met a couple people off of here in person and a number of online friends that I’ve known from way back in the LiveJournal days for over 10 years in the last two years, and it was generally a really good experience!

            There are another couple of people on here that I was planning on meeting up with this year, but having had to take my vacation as sick leave, that will have to be postponed until I’m able to re-accrue the vacation time again.

            One of the nice benefits is that my company will pay for us expats and our families to have an ATB (annual travel benefit), consisting of one return flight home every year, or to a place of equal or lesser value. We can also go somewhere more expensive if we so choose, and just pay the difference in cost ourselves.

            My “home location” is listed as Hawaii, and last year our travel coordinator was able to plan a trip for me from Chile to Dallas, Austin, Omaha, Ithaca, NYC, and Barcelona for less than if I had traveled to and from Hawaii. It was a really fun vacation where I got to reconnect with lots of friends and meet some online ones for the first time.

            Hubby skipped my US leg of the trip (since they were predominantly my friends) and then met me in Barcelona and did a bit of touring around Europe on the remainder of his ATB after I came back to Chile.

          • zhera

            Sending you kisses and happy/healthy vibes, Vorpal!

          • vorpal 😼

            One out of one vorpals agree that zhera vibes are amongst the best vibes from the best people! TRUE NEWS!

            Thanks, zhera, and much love and many big old kitty hugs to you!

    • Rambie

      She should go to the Keys so the storm knows she means business, along with Limbaugh and more.

    • vorpal 😼

      LOL to the person who keeps continuously downvoting my comments, stop being a little bitch and if you have a problem with me, come right out and say something to my face.

      Here’s a hint for you: downvotes are essentially meaningless at this point, so you’re just being a bitter pathetic baby hiding behind your sad veil of anonymity. And I think I know who you might be anyways, so own up to it, or block me so my comments don’t keep causing you to melt.

      • Adam King

        Not me. I lurve kitties….

        • vorpal 😼

          It didn’t even occur to me that it could be you.
          There are four people I suspect might be behind it, but I’m pretty sure that two of them would ovary up and would actually respond to my comments instead of lamely clicking downvote over and over.

          • FAEN

            Some bastard is down voting you? GRRRR

          • vorpal 😼

            =grins=

            I can be an awful pawful at times and have not always behaved as well as I should and thus rubbed a few people the wrong way with my strong and abrasive personality. I recognize that and try to make amends as best I can when I realize that I’ve acted like a shameful idiot or indulged my dark side and done something nasty, but some people are less forgiving or understanding than others, which is fine.

            I’m of the opinion, though, that holding resentments for prolonged periods of time just makes you miserable and not the target of your resentment. I have never held a grudge for more than a short period of time and am a big believer in forgiveness and enjoying and learning from disagreements, fights, and differences of opinion. Even when, for example, I’ve met someone who seems like a complete asshole on a far-right site, we often clash viciously but end up finding some common ground and both coming out of the brawl better off and without hard feelings despite having said horrible things to each other.

            I’m perfectly okay with not being liked or just being ignored, but drawn out passive-aggressive ongoing bullcrap? Not so much.

          • FAEN

            We can all be abrasive from time to time. Down voting to settle a score is just childish IMO.

        • safari

          Nor my axe

      • JWC

        Nor I

        • vorpal 😼

          LOL I could never think that it was you :-). =hugs=

          • JWC

            aw Shucks gol durn it

          • Ginger Snap

            Vorpal are you littlekiwilovesbauhaus on YouTube or have I mixed you up with someone else on here? My age is starting to show.

          • vorpal 😼

            Nope! I’m vorpal22 on YouTube.

            I think littlekiwilovesbauhaus is just littlekiwi here, but that being said, I haven’t seen him on JMG in ages!

          • Ginger Snap

            I knew I had it mixed up I just couldn’t remember. Thanks for clearing a cobweb from my mind.

      • I had the ‘downvote viewer’ add-on installed for a while, then got rid of it because it’s pointless.

        Plus the asshole trolls have no idea that Disqus doesn’t care and records any vote, up or down, as an acknowledgment of a view hit.

        • Mike_in_the_Tundra

          It counts the upvotes. Moderators see the number of upvotes.

          • Still doesn’t make me care.

          • Reality.Bites

            I’m trying to figure out how it would benefit Joe (or a moderator elsewhere) to know what user’s posts are the most popular.

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            Good attitude.

      • Reality.Bites

        They were kind of interesting in the old days when they were non-anonymous.

        And lots of fun when doing a Bill Perdue pile-on.

        • vorpal 😼

          It’s sad that they’re now anonymous. I always think that if you’re willing to downvote someone, you should be willing to do so openly and be accountable for it.

          I have downvoted on occasion (especially on the website, “The Slowly Boiled Frog” where we have an anti-LGBT Christian troll who makes a straw man out of every disagreeing argument that he hears), but I always try to also rebut and let the person I’m downvoting know that I did so.

          Funny enough, the downvote disappeared about five minutes after I made my comment about it, but I got a hell of a lot of one downvotes on my comments yesterday.

          • Joe in PA

            Pssst: probably a dog person. Just saying. 🙂

          • vorpal 😼

            LOL funny enough, the two people I suspect ARE both avowed dog people!

            I realize that I’ve got a strong personality that can be abrasive and thus I hardly expect everyone to like me, which doesn’t bother me at all, but if you don’t like me and aren’t willing to just ignore me, at least have the decency to engage me instead of indulging in anonymous online lash-outs.

    • FAEN

      She could have just smacked herself in the head with it. Give it some use.

  • Reality.Bites

    OT: Apple’s new artificial insemination app seems to have found a broader audience than expected.

    https://68.media.tumblr.com/79a3a790053f3a7a4617d4d7a041f5ed/tumblr_n0lc15RpnN1rz1ki7o1_540.jpg

    • DaddyRay

      They should hook up with Pornhub

    • safari

      What’d they expect with all those dongles they keep pushing on us?

    • Cuberly

      So that’s a 5-10ft storm surge?

    • zhera

      “Cum downloads”

      How fitting!

  • SoCalGal20

    WOW. Another one to add to the list of horrible FL GOP members. Also, talk about a serious case of affluenza. (Warning for description of attempted murder).

    http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/jose-lambiet/article171549182.html

    • DaddyRay

      #FamilyValues

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      You need a warning for this. How about V – for violence?

    • trouble94114

      Wow. I wonder if the wife and kiddies know he practically killed one of his classmates for some reason or another.

    • Cuberly

      Ya gotta be kidding, Rupert Tarsey? Is that a Game of Thrones villain?

    • canoebum

      You see, when Trump or his supporters say “extreme vetting”, what they mean is to look first to see the skin tone, then check to see how many brokerage accounts the person has. If the tone is right and accounts contain enough assets, then they’re good to go.

  • DoctorDJ
  • Talisman

    I’m wondering if I should start getting worried. I’m near Augusta, GA. Someone at work said that Irma would still be a Cat 1 hurricane when it roars through here. There’s really not much I can do – everyone I know is in the predicted path, so there’s no escape.

    • JWC

      Cat 1 is still wet and windy but should not cause a lot of damage Make sure you got water a can opoener and canned foods or dried for 72 hours

      • Talisman

        I’m very lucky. I live a block from the police station & city offices. We’re always top priority when electricity goes out. The longest I’ve ever gone without power is 6 hours when a transformer blew down the street.

        • JWC

          my longest was 56 hours but it was winter and I live on an island Lo priority

          • safari

            Almost 6 days for me, and I lived in Lansing at the time. We had an ice storm that took out something like 80% of our municipal electrical system.

          • houstonray

            15 days for us after hurricane Ike. A little over a million people had no power in the Houston area. After about 7 days I told my hubby I thought I was going to die if I had to stay in that heat and humidity any longer. None of our windows opened (old craftsman bungalow) so we only had a front door and a back door. It was MISERABLE. We finally found a hotel with power in downtown. Lost everything of course in the fridge and large full garage freezer. We cooked what we could on the grill but otherwise it was all gone.

            One thing it was eerily quiet….and dark. REALLY dark.

          • vorpal 😼

            Oi… we had the huge northeast blackout of 2003.

            I was at the university when it struck, and realized how irritating laser-activated devices suddenly become when you have no electricity. 😀

            Three days without power, but it was a really fun adventure. My best friend at that time came over and we binged on junk food and laid in the darkest dark we had ever experienced waving our hands in front of each others’ eyes and having really awesome chats.

          • safari

            I was on the edge of the blackouts in the west with that. As I said, we have our own municipal power system and my U had its own independent power system. So, my blackout experience lasted from when I got home from work until like 10pm that night as campus never lost power and our local generators just needed to come back online.

          • vorpal 😼

            Haha! You were lucky, and now I’m thinking maybe we’re similar in age? I was working on my MSc Computer Science when that hit.

            What was incredibly silly for me was that I lived right on the border of a power distribution, so across the street, after 24 hours, the houses and stores had power, whereas it took us another 48 hours on the south side of the street to get it back.

            That wasn’t the end of the world, because most of the good pizza joints and takeout places were across the street from me!

          • JWC

            I am afraid in this day and age of electricity and computers no one remembers wher they hid the crank ( I know you had to have been there)

          • UrsusArctos

            It’s 45*s master plan to take us back to the good old days of coal fired computers and v.32 9600kb/s modems

          • JWC

            hook a bike to a generator and peddal your ass I guess

          • RoFaWh

            And locomotives fuelled by bituminous coal that belch out great clouds of thick black smoke.

          • vorpal 😼

            Ha! Have you been watching Unbreakable with Kimmy Schmidt, or is that just a funny coincidence?

            I still have dreams about rotary phones from my early, early childhood.

          • JWC

            I watch the people in my airline year after year convert the entire operation to computer My silly question was but they are electric what happens in a power outage.It was one of the many many times that I was looked at as if I had just broken into Swahili

          • JWC

            Won’t discuss the phones that were around when I was a child

          • JWC

            lets just say it involved two woodeb boxes a hand held earpiece and central mounted mouth piece and Oh a crank

          • FAEN

            That sounds like fun 😊.

        • UrsusArctos

          Aug 29- Nov 02, 2005. Post Katrina
          So those in Florida riding it out will soon learn the problems are just starting. I wish them luck.

      • Beagle

        Also, if you have any outdoor furniture, either tie it down or bring it in.

    • vorpal 😼

      Stay informed and stay safe as best you can, Talisman!

    • SoCalGal20

      What sort of dwelling do you live in? Board up your windows if you can. You’re inland so you don’t have to worry about storm surge. Maybe flash flooding fron heavy rain if your area is susceptible to that.

      Make sure you have supplies – batteries, lantern or other source of battery-powered lighting in case the power goes out. Food and water for several days – things that don’t require cooking.

      Here’s a link with lots of good advice.

      https://m.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/six-ways-to-prepare-for-tropical-storms-hurricanes-atlantic-season/46771146

    • worstcultever

      I’m worried for everybody, including my ex-boss who retired to Havana FL (just above Tallahassee) a couple years ago. I’m sure their bug-out place is with relatives in Valdosta, but damn, that looks like shit too. She and her hub, neither of em spring chickens, plus a 95-year-old mom and two dogs. Gah.

      My other FL person is a dear old friend near Tampa, in a community of double-wides – says there are crusty old types who don’t wanna leave, but she’ll be going to the shelter 6 mi. away tomorrow morning.

      My parents lived in West Palm for many years – so glad they’re both in the great peaceful beyond so I don’t have to worry about em.

      Stay safe and keep us posted, Talisman and everybody!

      • UrsusArctos

        Havana and Tallahassee are safe from surge. It’s a bit hilly around there. Wind/tornado are a risk for anyone east of the eye. Since that area’s west of the eye, they’ll have less chance of tornado. A big danger in that part of FL/AL/GA is the old oak trees tipping over because they don’t get big storms very often.

  • ultragreen

    They keep shifting its expected path further to the West. So far this hurricane has shown no inclination to head north.

    • John Ruff

      Just adds to the uncertainty and panic. I stopped reading FB cuz of all the updates from those in Fl .

    • netxtown

      It’s got me more than a bit worried. Got family in Pensacola, and more going from Tampa to Pensacola. ugh…..

    • houstonray

      The plane pilot of the hurricane hunter plane was just on CNN with a live interview, he said everything they see shows the northern turn it has to do with some weather pheononmon whose name I forget at the moment. He said if it collapsed, it would turn it back out to sea. But as it stands once it encounters this invisible mass it will turn North.

      Side note he said he’s been doing this for 25 years and has never ever seen anything as powerful as this. He said for people not to be caught up in “it’s a cat 4 instead of a 5” or “it’s more west than east”. It will affect all of Florida from side to side and top to bottom unlike anything they’ve seen. As he said the only reason it wasn’t a cat 5 yet is a difference of 2 or 3 mph. If you’re talking 157 instead of 160, it doesn’t matter. He seemed a bit rattled.

      Now my words, EVERYONE LEAVE. Or if it’s too late, do what you can do protect yourself and/or go to a shelter. Be safe!!!

  • HZ81

    Get to safety, my Floridian queers! We love you. Will will help you. The LGBTQ doesn’t leave anyone behind.

  • John Ruff

    As a native Floridian, I’d hate to see anyone hurt, even a rethug. Sure, I get on these threads and talk shit about conservatives. But, as an Andrew survivor, until you suffer a Category 5 hurricane, you’ll never understand. It’s really feels and sounds like the end of the world when these storms pass through. All week I was panicking and reverting to the horror I experienced during and after Andrew. I’m still on edge even though I’m a thousand miles away.

    • Spray on abs

      Stay safe. Memories like that can cause PTSD like symptoms.

      • John Ruff

        I’m sure I have it. Luckily I can distract myself. At least until my best friend texts me about her worries for her mom in Fl. Ugh

    • Adam King

      Take care of yourself. PTSD can be harmful in itself.

    • UrsusArctos

      Yep, I know your feels. Katrina survivor here. Anyone who hasn’t sat waiting for their house to collapse or been out doing recovery hasn’t earned the right to lecture me on storms. Stay safe. At least you know first hand which groups do good and can support them.

      • Joe in PA

        The reason I mentioned Rt 90 earlier…in-laws (well kinda…long story) rode out Katrina in Gulfport. They say they will never do that again even though they didn’t sustain much damage. I know I couldn’t do it. Egad I hate this. 🙁

        • FAEN

          And somehow when the devastation is at its worst Cheeto will make it all about himself.

          Christ I miss Obama. Since November my panic attacks have become more frequent. And I know I’m not alone.

          • UrsusArctos

            Luckily I don’t do panic attacks. I go for blinding rage every so often. *innocent look*

          • FAEN

            Lucky you lol.

    • FAEN

      *HUG* stay safe.

  • Hue-Man

    I’m watching France2 TV news (20h) covering the devastation on St. Martin. After the physical destruction, no water or electricity, and French officials helping tourists (many Americans) to get off the island, they’re showing looting of grocery stores, electronics shops, etc. Most worryingly, the looters have broken into gun shops…

    And Jose is on its way on Saturday – not a direct hit but strong winds and heavy rain.
    https://www.france.tv/france-2/journal-20h00/237821-edition-du-vendredi-8-septembre-2017.html

    • John Ruff

      Nightmare

  • IamSmartypants

    Joe, Can you please post this? Out-Miami has a confidential helpline to
    report discrimination at shelters or accessing emergency services. Call
    or text 305-702-0276. You can also email [email protected].

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ca7e88c3c02c35affe798a8c720f78aeddaf68c9d78c06e6c39d3c35a196f91.png

    • Ninja0980

      Shame we have to worry about that at a time like this.

      • IamSmartypants

        I’m looking on the positive side. The Miami community is strong and organized enough to address this before there’s a problem — knowing they can be reported might keep anyone inclined to discriminate from taking the risk.

  • JT

    Irma, can you just move to wherever Drumpf is, pick him up and carry him off please?

    • safari

      Camp David. Plotting.

  • Zeldacat

    FUCK

  • JWC

    well Kiddies its Friday I am building dinz here is a a Pic especially for ALL my Florida friends I am thinking about you all https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f9cb03e13de34ed160218f35bae5f22a8e06c0de526bc8804a0856212a0c361e.jpg

    • djcoastermark

      O–M–G !

    • houstonray

      Well helllloooo….Please hold me, I’m skeeered….

  • Ninja0980

    Irma won’t be the first cat 5 to hit the Florida Keys but unlike the last time, there is so much more property it will be more costly, same as elsewhere.
    And make no mistake, many of the landmarks many of the regulars here know will be gone forever.
    Sucks so much, even though it was bound to happen sooner or later:(

    • DaddyRay

      I was thinking of Island House

      • John Ruff

        That place is a dump. Lol

    • thatotherjean

      I was hoping that Irma would miss the Keys. This is probably the end of our favorite, The Banyan Resort.

      • JWC

        loved that place too

  • JT
    • Max_1

      I bet you think that’s Hurricane Jose between his legs…

      Edit: Now that’s a hurricane to ride out…

    • Ross

      I will never understand why grown men shave their bodies to look like boys.

      And I will never find the look attractive.

      • JT

        Seriously, that’s all you can say about this guy?

      • worstcultever

        I know you boys love yr porn, but I think it really wrecked everything adult-bodies-wise.

      • Silver Badger

        Being shaved makes the muscles and dick look bigger. I’m with you. I prefer my men to be well furred.

  • Max_1
  • Lazycrockett

    So this is the type of shit that facebook was posting.

    https://twitter.com/kpoulsen/status/906020971596746753

    • John Ruff

      Well, FB is pretty much trailer park central.

    • Bryan

      No basis in reality. Yet at the time, the people that believed this stuff wanted to.

      • UrsusArctos

        Confirmation bias weaponized against low information voters nuked the 2016 election.

        • Max_1

          (insert THIS gif)

    • Zuck’s increasingly obvious hopes to run for President in 2020 just died forever. Thankfully.

      Sounds like they didn’t even ask who was paying for the promoted political ads they were running throughout 2016. Or whether it was illegal.

      • worstcultever

        WE need to make sure this is a black eye on FB FOREVER

        Zuck is nothing but a typical shallow megalomanical money whore

      • John Ruff

        Fuck zuckerberg. He’s no genius. He’s nothing more than a slimey opportunist.

    • Max_1

      There is a reason Zuckerberg has been in full denial until the receipts are revealed… Even now, his company refuses to actually investigate how many consumers of their product were exposed. WHY???

      • Cuberly

        They keep saying they’re cooperating with the relevant authorities.

        Heh….maybe that would mean something during an Obama Administration.

  • BeaverTales

    Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 70 miles from the center. Tropical storm-force winds extend outward up to 185 miles

    Good luck Tampa, Orlando, Mobile, Atlanta and Pensacola/Tallahassee

  • TampaZeke

    And now it’s coming up the WEST coast! Now there’s a frantic push to evacuate this side at the last minute. This is going from scary to terrifying here in Tampa.

    • Max_1

      Go… Get out while you can.

      … I hope you can.

    • Ninja0980

      Stay safe!

    • whollyfool

      My 90 year old grandma refuses to leave. Best we could convince her to do was a motel in Port Charlotte. 🙁

      Hoping for the best for all of you. 🙁

    • It’s so big, it doesn’t matter which coast you’re on.

      • djcoastermark

        All will be affected, BUT, the closer to the eye the worse it is. That is our problem right now.

      • TampaZeke

        That’s true but you still want to stay on the west side of it.

        • DaddyRay

          The “clean” side

    • UrsusArctos

      I hope you’re on some of the ridges around there. Stay safe.

      • TampaZeke

        We’re at the highest point in our neighborhood. Good place to be for floods but bad place to be for wind.

        • djcoastermark

          Same here.

          • UrsusArctos

            Stay safe and enjoy the freezer clearing BBQs. That’s the ONLY even kind of OK thing following a storm. Gotta eat that meat/fish before it spoils. Take care.

          • CharlestonDave

            Unfortunately, my freezer is full of things I’ve already bbq’d.

        • UrsusArctos

          Tell me. We’re 8 miles inland @ 100′ elevation. There’s NOTHING between us and the Gulf. I hope you and yours do well and are ready for going back to the pre electricity age. Watch out for the crazies and stay in touch as you’re able to.

        • JCF

          Inner rooms and halls, w/ no windows!

    • zhera

      Are you staying put? 🙁 I know it can be hard for some to leave for various reasons, but PLEASE, think about survival now and all that other stuff later.

      Please read this!!!!!!
      https://twitter.com/quezherazhera/status/906135027959959553

    • JCF

      Please stay safe! You and your pets.

  • ultragreen

    Why Category 5 hurricane force winds are more destructive than many people may realize:

    The destructive force of wind is a function of the square of wind speed – that is, it is exponentially related to wind speed (velocity, or V) rather than a simple linear relationship. This destructive force (psf, or pounds of pressure per square foot) is expressed as follows:

    psf = 0.00256 x V²

    Thus:

    60 mph wind has a destructive force of 9.2 psf (pounds of pressure per square foot)

    120 mph wind has a destructive force of 36.9 psf (not 18.4 psf)

    180 mph wind has a destructive force of 82.9 psf (not 27.6 psf)

    • vorpal 😼

      Thanks for pointing this out. I didn’t know it beforehand myself, and many people don’t really understand logarithmic scales such as the Richter scale, where an earthquake of magnitude 8 is approximately 1,000 times stronger than an earthquake of magnitude 5.

      • Hryflex

        ARRGH! LOGARITHMIC! That’s the word I was looking for at the radio news meeting today. I kept saying “algebraic scale”. I’m the classical music guy and the news people couldn’t complete my sentence. I’m a musicologist and my head is full musicological trivia…or musicological insignifica wishing it were trivia. But my father was a meteorologist for the Army Air Corps during WWII.

        • vorpal 😼

          I’m a math geek who spent over 12 years of university studying it to the exclusion of almost everything else, so I can overlook the misuse of the word “algebraic.”

          Now, if you can overlook my complete lack of musical ability and weird words for the myriad strange symbols and incomprehensible counts on the horizontal lines, we can call it a draw :-).

          • Hryflex

            Well, thanks. Despite having most of my training in music, I look at mathematics as the basis for music. I still perceive equal temperament as a deal with the devil because of mathematical considerations. Ti should be closer to Do than most keyboards will allow. And the dominant/tonic relationship would be more compelling with natural temperament.

          • RoFaWh

            You should try some of Harry Partch’s music composed in a 43 notes to the octave system of tuning he devised.

            All hail the mazda marimba!

          • vorpal 😼

            I always find it fascinating that many people report seeing or feeling a mathematical basis to music. I don’t see it personally, and have never been much convinced of it by people who try to explain it to me, but that may be due to a lack of knowledge of musical theory and a lack of appreciation for music in general. (I almost never listen to music of my own volition.)

    • safari

      Makes sense since wind operates on surface area.

  • Ninja0980

    Looks like Disney World is going to see if their structures are up to snuff or not if the new forecast holds.

  • another_steve
    • Max_1

      Its too early to discuss Climate Change…
      … Never will be, ever. /GOP

    • bkmn

      The asshole made it illegal for state employees to talk about climate change

      • -M-

        Yes, right wingers who’ve been bitching about “the left’s” alleged obsession with ‘political correctness’ since the eighties literally ban words and phrases like ‘climate change’.

        As usual their stupidity and hypocrisy are both off the scale.

    • Oddly enough, reality doesn’t care who denies it. But yeah, it figures.

  • sandollar_man

    And we know that Trump will focus on how the storm affected HIS properties. Lots of superlatives describing how HIS property was damaged. Almost no compassion for anyone other than his own petty “shrunken head” world of oblivious shame.
    He’s the smallest President we’ve ever had. Who’s about to describe the biggest storm we’ve ever had, only in terms of his own pathetically deranged ego.

    • Max_1

      How much will he grift the Fed this time… ?
      https://twitter.com/funder/status/906234424404127747

      • JWC

        He will sock them for more this time around

      • Ross

        The operative words are: “Trump claimed…”

        Which means he lied.

        He likely received $17,000.

    • worstcultever

      Possible upside: we know he’s going to go full Cat 5 on the self-centered bullshit – maybe even the cultists’ bubbles could crack a little

    • JWC

      I have heard litlle press about it but he was to have had a mansion on one of the outer islands that was for sale that has been destroyed

  • Probably has already been posted, but this was the best five minutes of my entire day:
    https://twitter.com/superdeluxe/status/905816189108027393

    • DaddyRay

      Saw that yesterday – laughed my ass off

      • DaddyRay

        Seriously, I have no ass (oh wait that was true before watching the video)

      • ByronK

        I showed this to a colleague who is from Mexico and she was almost in tears laughing. She said it was soooo inappropriate for an ex-President but I pointed out that it’s also refreshing to see one just not give a shit – she laughed and said, “fuck yes”. 🙂

        • worstcultever

          But wait – isn’t this not Señor Fox himself, but a kickass impressionist?

          • ByronK

            Seriously, I thought the exact same thing when I saw it. But no, she confirmed that it is in fact him.

          • worstcultever

            wow – even more awesome

          • Fox has been relentlessly trolling Donald for a long time now.

    • worstcultever

      Really great vid. And I adore the hat.

    • greenmanTN

      One of my favorite details is the framed fake TIME magazine cover behind him in the office, “Vincente Fox Throws Baseball Over The Moon.”

      Major Trump trolling.

    • Amanda B. Rekendwith

      LOL
      “This ad was paid for by the ghost of Donald Trump’s dead dad who is looking up from hell with shame in his eyes.”

  • Steven B

    Remember that movie in 2004 about climate change wreaking havoc because politicians refused to listen to climate scientists?

    There aren’t global superstorms yet, and Jake Gyllenhaal isn’t coming to save us, but this weather map does look awfully familiar.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f70f93b1e95689ea977bacba400a9c1a9006e0932e8ceca7e26cb48302d275e.jpg

  • UrsusArctos

    Ooh. I’m hearing C-5 Galaxies coming in. That’s kind of unusual to hear more than one occasionally. I’m assuming they’re picking up bulldozers and heavy equipment from the Gulport Seabee Center. At least SOME part of this clusterfuck administration is functioning. They’re probably coming out of McDill or Warner Robbins. Good news for Floridians who’ll be needing the heavy equipment

  • Max_1
    • Natty Enquirer

      I was going to say “shameless,” but you look at Bakker’s criminal record and it goes without saying.

      • worstcultever

        As more and more disasters and suffering pile up, I can only hope that these assholes’ inability to STFU with their nonsense will prove their ultimate undoing.

        • Jerry Kott

          Their income flow depends on illusion. They will always find a way to profit from fear.

          • worstcultever

            But their marks have always been La-Z-Boy tv watchers with not too many actual cares. Televangelists are a luxury one suddenly can’t afford when matters of life & death suddenly intrude on one’s bubble.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            Olsteen passed the plate to evacuees and I’m sure the “faithful” obliged his grift.

        • Natty Enquirer

          I would think the more disasters, the more “proof” to the faithful.

  • Max_1
  • Igby

    Yesterday’s model looked like Florida was about to get catheterized by Irma. (Sounding anyone?)

    • Silver Badger

      No thank you.

    • houstonray

      Now that I’ve unclenched my crotch, um NO.

  • Lazycrockett

    Rachel’s Irma update is that she isn’t turning like they thought she would, now looks like its gonna hit Cuba more than expected and now is looking to go up the West Coast of Florida.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Too bad Naples

    • Ninja0980

      Sad to say but in a sick way, that is good because the mountains will rip apart Irma’s eye so it won’t be a Cat 4/5 when it hits.
      But even if it’s a 3, the damage is going to be awful.
      Let’s just hope the death toll isn’t too.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Growing up in Florida in the 1950s, I heard a lot of talk about a hurricane that literally blew all the water out of Lake Okeechobee and flooded towns next to the lake. Drowned a bunch of people. Might happen again.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&ei=WkGzWcfyL4TMjwTI47KQCg&q=lake+okeechobee+hurricane&oq=lake+okeechobee+&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.1.1.0i131k1l2j0i3k1j0i131k1l2.8419.8419.0.11971.1.1.0.0.0.0.892.892.6-1.1.0….0…1..64.mobile-gws-serp..0.1.891.sHCi0n8sp_g

    • safari

      Several small, poor communities around Lake Okeechobee in the south-central part of Florida were added to the evacuation list because the lake may overflow — but the governor said engineers expect the protective dike to hold up. Many people in the area said they wouldn’t leave because they either had no transportation or nowhere to go.

      https://apnews.com/a63b60b9b0a549619b6671c68fc68eb6/Irma-bears-down-on-Florida,-more-than-5M-told-to-flee-coast

      • Ernest Endevor

        I have an aunt who lives not far from there.

      • E.J.

        The same engineers who said the levies in N.O. would hold….I’m sure everything will be fine

    • JCF

      Was that the ’35 storm? Or maybe an earlier one. One of those storms I believe was the inspiration for the hurricane at the climax of Zora Neale Hurston’s “Their Eyes Were Watching God”.

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        Yes, precisely! It was 1928. .

  • safari
  • safari
    • Bad Tom

      We need to professionalize software development.
      What if MOST high-rise buildings FELL DOWN? If Architecture and building engineering can be made professional, so can software.

      We can build software that works. We need to make it Mandatory.

      • RoFaWh

        The bugs in commercial software have the architectural analogy of a toilet that when flushed squirts you with filth from another toilet, one possibly not even in the same building.

    • whollyfool

      Did anyone hear that clicking that binds you not to sue?

  • Treant

    Two friends of mine are in St. Pete’s and refusing to leave; they have a half-wolf dog no shelter will take, and who’s extremely difficult around other dogs he doesn’t know.

    I told them that, given they’re going to be on the east side of what’s still a Cat 4, to get in the car, start driving, and sleep in the thing in Georgia if they have to. They won’t listen to me, and they’re in a 100 year old house not that far from the beach.

    • Why won’t people leave their homes?!? I hope they make it thru Irma in one piece.

      • Treant

        You got me, I don’t know. Mom’s one friend in Naples refuses to leave as well.

        • I’ve never understood thinking. About 20 years ago, there was a giant, fast moving forest fire that closed the highway by our home. Our wee village was warned we might need to evacuate on a moments notice. I gathered up important papers, the box of pictures, a few toys that each boy picked, clothes, snacks, dog food and pillows and blankets and loaded all that into the car in case we did have to flee. Luckily they got the fire turned back on itself before it burned our village. The fire was so intense it sterilized the soil, nothing grew for about 6 years. It looked like a moonscape.

          • Ginger Snap

            Friends in Wilton Manors packed up the cat and dog and important things and said they ate driving north. Their house is 80% glass and they said if it’s gone it’s gone fuck it. They were going to stay originally I’m glad they reconsidered.

        • Ninja0980

          Sad to say but some people won’t leave something they worked their whole lives to get.
          Just how it is.

        • Ernest Endevor

          If it’s an old house, do your friends have a cellar or basement? Or is that not a thing there?

          • E.J.

            Being close to the coast, hiding in the basement may not be a good idea

          • Ernest Endevor

            Absolutely right. As I was going up to bed I thought what a dumb thing that was for me to suggest. Because flooding, amirite?

          • Treant

            No cellar. Their best bet is the room on what’s the leeward side at that moment, I suppose.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        It’s like they think they’re protecting it with their presence, which is completely wrong.

    • Joe in PA

      Ugh. I just posted elsewhere in this thread, a good friend from FTL evacuated to another friend’s place in Sarasota. Ugh. Just ugh.

    • SoCalGal20

      I’ve got relatives in Tampa and I have no idea what they’re doing, if they’re evacuating or staying. I just hope they get through ok.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I know some people may disagree with me but they really should never have chosen a wolf-dog hybrid as a pet. And if they survive but their place is trashed, it’s going to make finding another place to live that much harder.

      • Treant

        They rescue animals, so all three of their dogs, two cats, and four snakes are all rescues.

        The snakes are why I refuse to visit.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          What kind of snakes? If they’re like anacondas or venomous snakes, yeah, I’d be side eyeing them big time for being way too ambitious/reckless. (Even if they didn’t fear for themselves, they should worry about that set of pets trying to snack on the other pets.) If they’re like a corn snake, they’re actually OK from what I googled.

          One should still exercise some discernment.

          • Treant

            A defanged cobra, two boas, and something where I was told what it was but don’t remember.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Oh, yeah, I can see why you don’t want to go.

          • Treant

            Quite aside from a general dislike of snakes, of course.

            I can handle garter snakes, I have tons in the garden. They’re cute, very small, and tend to be shy.

      • JCF

        I don’t think wolf-dog hybrids should be bred. It’s difficult for me to say “don’t adopt them” (anyone) GIVEN they’ve been bred…but I do realize it encourages unscrupulous breeders.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          They definitely shouldn’t be bred. Maybe there should be a sanctuary of some kind but definitely every animal in said sanctuary should be spayed or neutered.

    • JCF

      Repeating what the Governor said: all pet restrictions have been lifted at Florida hotels/motels. Get a room, and keep your fur buddies safe!

  • Lazycrockett
    • Michael R

      Thanks Obama

    • Joe in PA

      hmmm…satellite presentation has markedly improved ….

      Is that a good thing?

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        I read it to mean the eyewall looks better formed and Irma is strengthening again.

        • Joe in PA

          Thanks Dino, I kinda thought it was bad. 🙁

      • Bad Tom

        From Irma’s POV.

        • safari

          And Donald’s

          • Bad Tom

            Destruction of Trump’s St. Martin property: Good or bad for his bottom line? Discuss.

  • billbear1961
    • misterjack

      I love that piece.

      • billbear1961

        It’s one of my favourites–sobering and serene.

        • misterjack

          Agreed, Mr. Bear.

    • Ginger Snap

      One of my faves, thanks billbear

  • Lazycrockett
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Yay!! So heartwarming!

      • misterjack

        Maybe we’re not so bad, after all?

        • safari

          I don’t think the vast majority of people are bad.

          • misterjack

            Me neither, but there hasn’t been a lot of great examples, lately.

          • Most people are decent. The problem is the monsters are in charge and have invited all the other monsters out from hiding.

          • prixator

            And the monsters crave attention – and far too often get it.

          • billbear1961

            Then they should be in the streets protesting, relentlessly, to send the gangsters–and that is NOT hyperbole–in charge of the federal government PACKING.

          • Bad Tom

            Many of us try with all our might to do good.

          • JCF

            …just a majority of the Electoral College.

        • houstonray

          Have seen so much of that here in Houston after Harvey. It gives me hope for humanity in the end…

  • One of my dearest pals, Barry Nicholson (who lives in West Palm Beach), is hunkered down with good friends on higher ground in Florida. Please keep them in your thoughts. It’s going to be bad.

    • worstcultever

      gah i’m just fucking beside myself with all of this

    • JWC

      I have friends in Tallahassee doing the same

  • worstcultever

    Ok, let’s play it again Sam, with Randy’s latest and greatest crooning

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1CqNLgM5JU

  • Max_1
  • Lazycrockett
    • Max_1

      Yes… Our press agencies had to learn about it from Russia.

      Again, American Press locked out by the American President…
      … So how is that supporting and defending the First Amendment?

      He should be impeached for delinquency on the job…

      • worstcultever

        unbelievable – srsly

        • safari

          A saving grace is that it may have been part of a group of people presenting their ambassadorial credentials to Donald.

    • bkmn
  • Tomcat
    • worstcultever

      Oh please. Hold our beer, 1935 …

      • Tomcat

        Notice the similarity of them.

      • Tomcat

        I realize to some of you 1935 did not exist, but it did and this one was the record hurricane so far.

        • worstcultever

          My dad was 15 y.o. in 1935, so it’s real to me .. funny, he was born in Tampa, but by ’35 was living in Hampton VA

          • JCF

            Heh, my dad was 15 in ’35 too! (and still here) Safely in California though (then and now). He just had to survive WW2…

  • SoCalGal20

    Some background on the Russian who bought FB ads during the election.

    https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/906319804297912322

    • safari

      More dead Russian eyes.

      • Natty Enquirer

        100 proof.

    • worstcultever

      jesus gods, where do these creatures come from? he looks like a happier and more carefree Stephen Miller.

      • safari

        (He’s older than Stephen Miller’s age of 32, too)

        • worstcultever

          we certainly seem to be at Peak Empty-Headed, Worthless, Tantrum White Boy

  • billbear1961

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzTwO0zWrqU

    Sorry–there seems to be something wrong with the sound.

    You don’t expect a recording that’s been fine in the past to become defective.

    Fortunately, it doesn’t happen too often.

    • worstcultever

      I LOVE these kinds of chamber music performance vids

      • billbear1961

        It sounds fine again.

        There must have been something temporarily wrong with my feed.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Mar-a-Largo: As built by the cereal heiress Merriweather Post in 1927, the sprawling structure has walls 3 feet thick and is secured to the coral underneath with steel and concrete. The hurricane that hit the area the following year washed out the coast road and destroyed more than 1,700 houses and breached Lake Okeechobee, drowning more than 2,000 people, but did nothing more to Mar-a-Lago than damage a window and topple a few trees.

    • safari

      Then Donald stole the family crest.

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        And added a bunch of tacky shit to it that could be damaged!

        • Reality.Bites

          Mar-A-Lago is the embodiment of “no good deed goes unpunished.”

          Marjorie Merriweather Post could have left it to the city for some use, some charity, family, but no, she decided to leave it to the US government for use as a winter White House.

          And instead they sold it. I’m sure in her lifetime she had many offers from sleazy real estate developers she could have taken.

          • Johnny Wyeknot

            So true. So true.

    • fuzzybits

      Well,let’s hope mother nature is especially pissed about our election this time.

    • Friday

      I have to admit I approve of the overbuilt construction.

  • fuzzybits

    Miami,”ghost town.” https://i.redd.it/e0aewv040qkz.jpg

  • Michael R
  • fuzzybits

    Restaurant sign in Tampa. https://i.imgur.com/YomJf53.jpg

    • safari

      I love gallows humor

      • greenmanTN

        I have gotten myself in trouble so many times with dark humor, especially when I was younger. I’ve learned to keep my trap shut. Mostly.

        Probably the worst example: the first time I met a friend’s new BF I made a joke about the Charles Whitman shooting spree from the U of TX Austin clock tower. My friend looked at me and said “John’s sister was shot by Charles Whitman.” WTF?! Odds of something like that happening are lottery winner odds, but somehow I managed it!

        • Cackalaquiano

          Upvoted because that’s so terrible and awkward and precisely the type of thing I’m best at.

    • worstcultever

      standing on chair applauding

  • mizzourah

    Damn. Looks like both Limbaugh’s and Trump’s palaces will be spared.

  • Bad Tom

    My brother and his wife are sheltering in place in Coral Gables, Florida. He’s primarily worried about storm surge. But my texts with him were before Irma strenghtened.

  • safari
    • safari

      This isn’t the 40% budget cut he wanted to implement. The administration is simply not funding the grants. Enrollment begins November 1, and he is dismantling the outreach agencies — making reconstitution difficult if not impossible before then.

      • RoFaWh

        He’s doing what Bannon wants.

    • fuzzybits
      • safari

        Very skeleton jelly

  • worstcultever

    k, a couple hits off the bone I just rolled, then bed .. gah, so worried about everything and everyone .. thanks for being here to gab at, JMG pals

    • Hank

      enjoy your buzz and get some rest. 👍

  • fuzzybits

    Waves crashing into house on Anguilla. https://youtu.be/GawKpXMt6vI

    • DaddyRay

      That is frightening

    • safari

      When I can’t sleep, I’ll sometimes listen to the audiobook of Isaac’s Storm. It is about the Galveston 1900 hurricane, and written by Erik Larson who wrote Devil in the White City. (Don’t judge.) It’s a novel based upon primary documents with some literary license to reconstruct the period. The accounts of the hurricane are literally unbelievable to me. In this era of smartphones, such a video as this begins to tear down my disbelief.

    • Lazycrockett

      JFC

    • -M-

      When the waves go through the living room …

    • Ninja0980

      Stuff of nightmares.

    • UrsusArctos

      Looks like surge. UGH

  • Lazycrockett
    • fuzzybits

      Every time you turn around something else reminds you how fast times flies by.

      • Ninja0980

        My one nephew starting middle school did that for me.

        • fuzzybits

          I just became a great,great uncle for the second time a couple days ago. 😳

        • -M-

          OT but: I’m curious what or who was your deleted ‘rant’ about?

          • Ninja0980

            Gay Youtube/Instagram couples and how they are both good and bad for LGBT youth.

          • -M-

            I was just wondering who or what happened.

      • Lazycrockett

        9/11 was 16 year ago.

        • Lazycrockett

          I still vividly remember walking on Marine Dr going to Foster Beach (Chicago) with some friends and being amazed at not hearing any airplanes overhead. It was so weird.

    • DaddyRay

      I really respect Rachel Maddow – she is so smart and articulate. Have been enjoying her since her radio show on Air America

      • Hank

        She is also not afraid to say she does not know something or does not understand. She did that tonight with trying to understand storm surge.

  • billbear1961

    Safari, why did you take down your post showing all the flights out of Florida, fleeing Irma?

    • safari

      I didn’t trust the source, and I couldn’t verify what I was seeing. The US flight tracker doesn’t look like the map provided when accounting for all US flights. The poster might have selected a regional carrier, unnamed, which would make the density of the departing flights look as he posted. I didn’t want to mislead.

  • Ninja0980

    Saw the post about the Hemingway House.
    Put it bluntly, just because it survived one Category 5 hurricane 82 years ago is no reason to roll the dice a second time.
    But as I’ve said before, you can’t force someone to do something they don’t want to do, my late grandmother (RIP) was proof of that.

    • safari

      Category 5 didn’t exist 82 years ago. We can only estimate what it would have been. Hurricane tracking didn’t exist 82 years ago like we know it today.

      • Lazycrockett

        Id say the 1935 one that destroyed the key west railway was probably a 4 at least.

      • Ninja0980

        It didn’t but the Keys hurricane of 35 is still the strongest recorded hurricane to hit the U.S.
        And the thing that gives everyone nightmares about that one to this day is how strong it got in a short period of time.
        It was barely a tropical storm 36 hours before it hit.
        Got into the Gulf Stream and that was that.

        • safari

          I’ll have to read about it.

    • Lazycrockett

      Well this was before the later tracking that has put Key West in Irma’s crosshairs. But he seemed pretty confident.

  • Natty Enquirer

    NHC now predicting Irma at Category 4 when it approaches Florida. Meanwhile, the northern Leeward Islands (which were just devastated) are under a hurricane warning for Jose.

    • Ninja0980

      Once it gets to cat 3 or above, not much of a difference other then surge.

    • safari

      Last I checked it was supposed to hit the northernmost ones and then turn NE.

  • JCF

    Am thinking of {cough} and praying for {cough} Florida (and Georgia?) JMGers…

    Repeating what I heard the Florida Gov. said earlier today: all pet restrictions have been lifted from Florida hotels/motels. Keep yourselves AND your furry pals safe!

  • Lazycrockett

    Last Flight has left Miami.

    • DaddyRay

      Wonder how many remain holding out hope of getting on a flight

      • Lazycrockett

        At the moment it seems safer to be on the east side of Fl than the west.

        • Ross

          …at the moment.

      • safari

        O/T: Airports are not safe. 2011 St. Louis
        https://youtu.be/1ovTo30_myI?t=40s

        • vorpal 😼

          Interesting. My first thought would have been to head to an airport.

      • Hank

        They began transporting, those who were stuck in the airport to local shelters earlier today. Many were tourists, who were dumped in Miami by their cruise ships. They had never dealt with a Hurricane, before. Again some were not Americans in transit.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        They’re interviewing the mayor of Fort Lauderdale on CNN right now and he estimates that maybe 50% of the population evacuated and 50% are staying. He’s worried though, that a lot of people evacuated to the west side of Florida because earlier projections had Irma going up the east coast of Florida, so those people might have ended up putting themselves in a worse situation than if they had stayed.

        The CNN reporters said the bars in FLL were packed just an hour or two ago.

        • SoCalGal20

          Rachel was talking to the mayor of Ft. Myers earlier and he said that only like 1/3 people there people evacuated.

          • djcoastermark

            Uh, this was completely unexpected. Direct hit on the west coast. Ugh. No. more than ugh.

        • djcoastermark

          yeah, It is not looking good for the west coast now. Miami as almost out of the cone.

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            Miami is still going to get hurricane-level winds, though, because the Irma is bigger than Florida is wide.

    • TonberryPi

      Last flight out of Miami..

      Sounds like a sad song.

  • Sam_Handwich

    sending thoughts and prayers via my panini press

    • vorpal 😼

      “Panini Press”… sounds like a lot of baloney and FAKE NEWS to me!

      • grada3784

        It sounds pretty cheesy to me.

    • safari

      Is that where you tan?

    • bkmn

      thoughts and prayers – is that what the kids are calling farts these days?

      • William

        Farts and giggles.

    • Cuberly

      My toaster has a bagel setting and it’s awesome….oh…wait..wut?

      • vorpal 😼

        I wanted that model but I was two LGBT converts short. 🙁

        • Cuberly

          Oooooo, after those evangelicals it was the perfect reward. But alas, if I had held out before cashing in the coupons I could have had a new microwave. Darn it….but it is stainless.

          • William

            The new models are kind of creepy. Push the Popcorn button and you get Kellyanne.

      • William

        My toaster was made in West Germany.

        • Cuberly

          Ooooooooooooooooooo………does it come with a tiara?

          (kidding of course)

          😉

  • Ninja0980

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1935_Labor_Day_hurricane#Records
    Info on the 35 Labor Day hurricane which from the looks of it will still be stronger then Irma was at time of landfall.
    The property damage though…

    • safari

      and population increase

      • Ninja0980

        Yup.
        And the people who won’t leave, Don Lemon was just talking with one of them.
        Only difference this time is unlike 35, people had warning this was coming.
        They die, it’s on them.

        • DaddyRay

          If they die, I say we don’t talk to them ever again

        • DaddyRay

          The plus side is they are probably Trump voters

        • Silver Badger

          I wonder what I would do if I was too poor to leave and had no place to go or a way to pay for lodging once I got there. Or how to eat.

          • Lizard

            Or where to get gas. I live in Georgia and there’s hardly any gas left in my town. I imagine it’s fifty times worse in an evacuation area.

            I have a serious problem with the “It’s their fault if they drown because they had warning and they could have left.” There are a lot of reasons people stay and it isn’t always by choice.

          • Ross

            Thank you.

            I find the “It’s their fault because they had warning and they could have left” comments really irritating.

          • Ninja0980

            Not the case for the area they were talking about, certainly in others.
            But the guy he was talking to and the area he was in, you have $$$.
            The fact they won’t leave is on them.
            Wish they would talk to folks who don’t have that option.

          • UrsusArctos

            Amazingly, in the moment, most people DO look out for each other. It may not last long, but it’s not normal for people to turn on each other during the crisis.

        • UrsusArctos

          The ones I feel for are the families of people who ride out storms in marginal places that have no history of surge flooding. Katrina claimed lives here in areas that had NEVER flooded in recorded history (early 1600s). Many people do consider local conditions, but no events are ever the same.
          Now the Bozos who ignore a long history of flooding/surge get zero sympathy.

    • DaddyRay

      Building standards have certainly improved since then

      • vorpal 😼

        Slightly OT: since Chile gets slammed with such massive earthquakes, we actually have laws in place that buildings must be able to withstand 9.4 level earthquakes. If they fail to do so, the chief engineer and architect of the building can be imprisoned with very serious sentences.

        When you start reading up on the techniques required to endure such powerful earthquakes, human innovation and ingenuity really show how incredible they can be.

  • shellback

    I just spoke to a friend who is toughing it out (Grrrr), and was amazed that she never thought about ear and eye protection. To anyone that will be in the storm’s path – please use ear and eye protection. The noise will be deafening, and flying debris … well, you get the idea. Also, if you have pets, stuff their ears with cotton.

  • bkmn

    Just saw that other than a few people that absolutely refused to leave that Barbuda is completely evacuated. That’s about 2000 people moved off the island ahead of Jose.

  • Dave B

    11pm The Weather channel reports the storm is back to cat 5.

    • bkmn

      The water temps around that area are at record/near record highs which will only feed the storm

      • Lazycrockett

        and the eye looks like its just barely gazing Cuba mainland.

        • Ninja0980

          It is.
          More and it would have weakened some what, but again, that would be at the expense of people there.

          • Lazycrockett

            and with as warm as the waters is she could easily go back to 5.

          • safari

            It is currently a 5

          • safari

            (Just recently)

            SUMMARY OF 1100 PM EDT...0300 UTC...INFORMATION

            -----------------------------------------------

            LOCATION...22.1N 77.7W

            ABOUT 120 MI...190 KM ESE OF CAIBARIEN CUBA

            ABOUT 300 MI...485 KM SSE OF MIAMI FLORIDA

            MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...160 MPH...260 KM/H

            PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 280 DEGREES AT 13 MPH...20 KM/H

            MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...924 MB...27.29 INCHES

          • Ninja0980

            That too, but it wouldn’t have as much time to regroup at the speed it’s moving at.

      • ByronK

        Nope, no global warming. Rush just emptied his hot tub.

        • bkmn

          Wouldn’t that be a slime event, instead of hot water?

  • Cuberly

    To all Florida JMGers, I don’t do woo woo, but I do do….support, and most importantly…..any way you can, please keep us abreast on how you’re faring. If you need something, anything let us know.

    JMGers mobilize like freaking crazy when called upon. We have your back.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb0ba7a86ab1fb7fc8a7e76b39472f0a9584ca609fc0126898a86d327a490bcd.png

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT but sort of not: This guy filmed Mount St. Helens erupting and survived.

    https://youtu.be/njV9ski1gB4

    • safari

      I feel like a ghoul, but I love such things.

      • Ross

        Me, too.

    • Lazycrockett

      My kinfolk are tough.

    • JCF

      I’ve seen the latter part of the footage before (going through the pitch black, fearing he’s going to die), but it’s nice to see it in larger context.

      When I lived in Portland in the late 80s, one day my parents and I went over to see St Helen’s (so about 8 or so years after the major eruption): it was amazing to see how QUICKLY life was returning (I’m sure what were scattered young trees then, are a forest today!).

  • djcoastermark

    Shit Shit Shit. The 11pm has moved Irma a tad west. Now it looks like closer to Ft Myers for landfall after Key West. Makes the entire west coast under the gun.

    • safari

      Which side are you on?

      • djcoastermark

        St Pete. Our local newscast is now saying that the eye will be passing just to the east side of Tampa around 5am monday morning.

  • DaddyRay

    Remember peeps on the BIG GAY WEATHER MACHINE duty this weekend – if there is glitter over the door you pass over their house

    • safari

      Can we make this a real thing?

      • DaddyRay

        sure

    • Hue-Man

      Very biblical!
      And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. Exodus 12:13 KJV

      • DaddyRay

        That was what the snark was based on

        • RoFaWh

          For the snark was a boojum, you see.

    • fuzzybits

      Glitter on the front porch,glitter on the highway.

    • greenmanTN

      How about we try some mass visualization, like Mar-a-Lago being wiped off the face of the earth. Hell, they’ve been accusing us of causing hurricanes for years so why not give it a spin?

      Mecha Lecha Hi, Mecha Hiney Ho! 😉

  • Hue-Man

    O/T Nerd Alert!
    A new radio telescope was inaugurated yesterday – CHIME (Canadian Hydrogen Intensity Mapping Experiment) wiki says (I have to do some studying to understand any of this!):

    CHIME will make precise measurements of the acceleration of the Universe to improve the knowledge of how dark energy behaves. The experiment is designed to observe the period in the Universe’s history during which the standard ΛCDM model predicts that dark energy began to dominate the energy density of the Universe and when decelerated expansion transitioned to acceleration.

    Besides the science, it’s of interest to me because I visited the “classic” radio telescope on the site as a high school field trip (I won’t say how many years ago). It was an out-of-this-world sensation because it’s located in a natural bowl, shielded from man-made radio signals, and with restrictions on any activity or development that might emit radio signals near the telescopes. And the new telescope looks nothing like a radio telescope.
    https://chime-experiment.ca/
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/44014294d080a12e98d6e8d58976a7af663dbaea9ecce334e01bf590c8b42634.jpg

  • Lizard

    Naturally, S.E. Cupp is JAQing off on Real Time. “I never DENIED climate change, I’m just questioning the evidence that it’s man-made! I’m just asking questions! Why are you so against asking questions?!” etc etc etc.

    • Lazycrockett

      Then ask them to the majority of scientist and not the right wing nutjobs that listen to you, bitch.

      • Lizard

        It basically dissolved into a shouting match. Highly unpleasant. Maher did loudly point out the evidence, though.

    • safari

      Grue and bleen

    • Mickey Bitsko

      Let me guess, she then steered the conversation to vaccines causing diseases and her and Bill started French kissing?

      • Lizard

        No.

        • Mickey Bitsko

          I’ll catch the show tomorrow. I agree with his political opinions most of the time, but his opinions on scientific matters are often laughable, if not downright dangerous.

          • Lizard

            Most of it isn’t awful, except the climate change part that Cupp ruined. She shut up for most of the rest of the panel.

    • Hue-Man

      I heard a climate scientist say that producing scientific data is of no use in persuading climate deniers. Their belief has become tribal, part of their identity, and will change only if the entire “tribe” changes its beliefs – in other words, won’t happen. Unfortunately, the scientist didn’t have any suggestions of how to combat this mass ignorance. (Sounds religious, doesn’t it?)

      • safari

        Evolution is the same way

    • greenmanTN

      AKA concern-trolling.

  • Ninja0980

    Flipped over to Bill Maher, saw Ken Bone and S.E. Cupp and flipped the channel again.

    • safari

      …why is Ken Bone a thing?

      • Lizard

        He made some fairly astute arguments in his solo interview, undercut by the bizarre juxtaposition of “not being able to decide” between Hillary and Drumpf.

    • Lizard

      Can’t blame you. I despise Cupp. She spent half of the episode purposefully derailing intelligent conversation on climate change with debunked drivel.

      • safari

        Isn’t she supposed to be some sort of atheist conservative?

        • Lizard

          Yup. She’s their token “skeptic,” but really she acts like a skeptic while hitting all the hardcore conservative talking points. Her interview tonight was the perfect example. “I believe in climate change, but there’s no scientific evidence that it’s being caused by humans.”

  • netxtown

    seeing some updated models as of 11pm edt….more to the west side of florida with the upper end of the cone now taking in most of alabama/mississipi coast.

    Swerve!!! dammit SWERVE!!

    ugh…..this fucking thing is gonna bust through into the gulf…..

    • safari

      Winds are 160mph, placing it back to Cat5.

      • safari

        (Yes, I know. It’s splitting hairs at this point.)

  • Lazycrockett

    and I told ya’ll Irma wasn’t going to make some 90 degree turn on a dime.

  • Ninja0980

    Sounds cold but if Irma had to hit FLorida, wish it would be along the Panhandle.
    They don’t believe in climate change, be nice for them to get a wakeup call of that denial.

    • Lazycrockett

      They are too busy handling snakes in church to listen to such nonsense.

      • UrsusArctos

        Ah, my people. The BIG reason I don’t do FB. Sand Mountain, snake handlers sure do a lot of unXian shit and hate being called out on it.

    • safari

      I had a friend live there for a few years while her partner went to medical school. The horror.

      • Ninja0980

        I have to go to a wedding here in NY in Wyoming County, the reddest part of the state.
        To give you an idea of what it’s like, my cousin and his wife lasted less then a year there.
        Once folks saw their Hillary bumper stickers, the hatefest began and never stopped.

        • Lizard

          How is a red county in New York relevant to the Florida panhandle?

          And I live in Georgia. I know about being in the liberal minority.

          • safari

            Ninja provides more evidence about the terrors of being a liberal in red country since I brought it up.

          • Ninja0980

            Especially in a Blue state.
            Trust me when I say the bigots HATE it and will be happy to let any let anyone who isn’t like them know it too.

          • safari

            When S-Town was being produced its reporter, who was Italian/Jewish, was warned by his black girlfriend to privatize all his social media accounts. (The podcast is centered around an eccentric gay man in Alabama.) In the end, she was very right and he was glad he did.

          • Lizard

            Well, okay, but it isn’t really fair to transplant experiences of a red country in New York for a red county in Florida.

            Again, I live in Georgia. I know all about being a liberal in a red state/area.

          • safari

            It’s just a late night off-topic. 🙂

          • Lizard

            That’s fair. 🙂

            My family is going to be hit by the edges of the hurricane early next week, but we shouldn’t need to evacuate. We’re all stocked up on food, water, and beer!

          • Ninja0980

            I do it because I think some folks don’t get there are ugly parts here as well and have been caught off guard by the racism, homophobia and sexism.
            My cousin and his wife certainly didn’t when they moved there.
            LGBT youth, POC etc. might not know either.
            Plus, on the local,state and federal representation it sucks.
            Yes, it’s not like Florida or Georgia because our state legislature and voters stop the bigots on the state level unlike where you live.
            But on the federal and local level, it still sucks, especially for abortion providers and LGBT youth, the former of which have been attacked and killed here, in a “safe” blue state.

          • UrsusArctos

            Yep, CA/OR/WA has areas that are MORE redneck than my part of MS. That freaks some people out when you point that out.

          • Ninja0980

            I understand their frustration because CA/OR/NY have state governments that balance that out while theirs don’t but still, it isn’t fun, especially if you live in these areas and have to be represented on the federal level by a far right crackpot.

          • Lizard

            32% of California voted for Trump. It’s only thanks to the EC that we think any state is 100% red or blue.

          • UrsusArctos

            And 40+% of Mississippi voted for HRC. Even us in really red states aren’t in as dire a minority as outsiders assume. If minorities voted heavier in MS, it would be a blue state. This IS NOT blaming minorities for HRC failing, just pointing out a sad fact. This issue is a long standing one here. Gains were made in the 60s-70s because minorities were motivated by the fight to vote, then seem to have gotten weary. Said the old white guy.

          • UrsusArctos

            I’ll see your GA and raise you MS. *grin*

          • Lizard

            Fold!

          • UrsusArctos

            Damn! You didn’t even let me raise with “Born in AL”!

          • Lizard

            I was born in Oakland 😉

          • UrsusArctos

            THAT’S a different planet from the the Panhandle/S GA.

          • Lizard

            Yep. You see why I folded.

            I was a Navy brat. Lived all over the place.

          • greenmanTN

            Semi-rural TN here, and even I wouldn’t dare move to Alabama!

          • Ninja0980

            It was one of the only counties in NY to vote for Wendy Long, the Republican Senate candidate who is a Clarence Thomas clerk and vicious anti-LGBT bigot, both times she ran in 2012 and 2016.
            Their Representative is Congress is Trump supporter Chris Collins and it’s basically the red parts of Alabama and Georgia without the Southern Accents.
            In short, not a fun place to be.

          • Lizard

            And that’s terrible, don’t get me wrong. But I don’t really think it’s fair to substitute red counties in Florida with red counties in New York.

            I know all about awful politicians. I was assigned to write a polisci paper on topics I disagreed with my state rep about. I wrote a paper on what we AGREED on. It was a much shorter paper.

      • JCF

        We have them to thank for the (putative) victory of Dubya in 2000.

  • Mickey Bitsko

    then continue through Georgia and west over Huntsville, Alabama

    That’s a bad thing?

    • safari

      Is it bad I want to hear Alabama ask for federal assistance?

      • Ninja0980

        Is it worse I want to hear them be told no?

      • William

        A thousand dollars should cover the damage to Alabama.

        • safari

          I wouldn’t know. I refuse to enter it.

  • Lazycrockett

    I think a lot of people who traveled west are going to try and travel back east tomorrow morning. Good Luck.

    • That is ridiculous. They need to stay off the roads tomorrow. There are tropical force winds starting at 8 am in all of South Florida. Gusts can be 60 mph starting at 8 am — some smaller gusts are starting tonight. If they are in South Florida they need to stay put. Also Irma can track east the further north you are.

      • Lazycrockett

        Well you know Floridians.

        • Yes. Where else would you see this? Children in St. Augustine take the school mascot out for a stroll. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ce6c762e47e21b188c6a0e8875e5e60dd1611cf03587636cfdb472cab44353f.jpg

          • safari

            Nope. That is a creature that has the very real potential to outlive humanity.

          • Lizard

            It’s already survived several mass extinctions. Why not ours?

          • safari

            (Says Lizard)

          • Lizard

            You bet. *tongue flick*

          • djcoastermark

            Ooooh. mmm.

          • Lizard

            Now, now.

          • UrsusArctos

            It’s not just FL. My LA (Lower AL) high school was the “Gators” too. We had to settle for a series of small ones that were replaced once they got too big to handle safely.

  • Lazycrockett
    • I heard some winds from a band go through already in Palm Beach County. It is not even near here yet.

  • If you want to see snarky comments about “stupid white people in denial” head over to Youtube for the Duval Street Live Cam Shots in Key West. The people on bicycles who are riding around as if they do not have a care in the word are too much. https://youtu.be/PbAh78NvJZk

    • djcoastermark

      There’s always a few. But seeing the live cam on Duval Street totally empty on a friday night is unreal.

      • It is going to be underwater if Irma keeps to the Category 5 track it is on right now. Completely underwater is the projection. They were talking about a 12 foot surge or more. It is now in the eyewall projection.

        • Ninja0980

          Yup.
          Suffice to say the Florida Keys will be changed forever after this but it will bounce back, just like the rest of Florida will.

    • DaddyRay

      Probably looking for the Drug Dealer

    • bambinoitaliano

      Far too many have manage to avoid Darwin’s evolution theory at the back of their more advance cousins. It’s time to let their stupidity to be expose directly against mother nature.

  • Ninja0980

    Have friends that went to Disney World for a vacation and they aren’t leaving.
    I do fear that with the new forecast, the winds will be much stronger in Orlando then before.
    But by golly, they want their Mickey’s Scary Halloween Party no matter what.
    Too bad Irma is already providing that.

    • safari

      Memories.

      • Ninja0980

        Same here.
        Hubby and I are planning to down in December but who knows what will be left of Florida to go to?

        • Treant

          You can always hunt the survivors in the rubble for their meat, filter water through old pantyhose you found in the dump, and sleep under the stars (with one eye open).

    • djcoastermark

      We have friends at Disney who have their flight out tomorrow in Orlando at 3 pm. The airport shuts down at 5, for now. They are a bit nervous.

      • Ninja0980

        They have every right to be.
        The new track has wind gusts of 120 plus making it to Orlando.
        Put it bluntly, many of the things my friends are sticking around to see might not be there come Tuesday IF the parks reopen.

        • djcoastermark

          The parks have already said they will be closed monday for sure. Who knows what may be left ?

          • Ninja0980

            Meant Tuesday but as you said, what will be left?

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: Trumpeteers are butthurt that Vanity Fair did not choose Melanoma as one of the best dressed. Snowflakes.

    http://www.salon.com/2017/09/08/vanity-fair-best-list-melania-trump/

    “According to a lively roundup delivered by HuffPost, supporters of President Donald Trump are deeply aggrieved and notably butthurt after luxury glossy Vanity Fair did not include First Lady Melania Trump in this year’s edition of its annual “International Best-Dressed List”.

    • safari

      She was sleeveless. QED.

    • Lizard

      And after all that work she did stomping around a flood zone in spikes!

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        It’s like talking tough about not needing the popular kids’ approval but then throwing a fit when everybody but them is invited to the party.

      • Hank

        I was going to refer to them as the “Heels of Houston”!

    • Treant

      “Best-Dressed” not “All Hoed Up.” Big difference.

    • William

      They are saving her her for the Skanks issue.

    • UrsusArctos

      But Better Hovels & Trailer Parks did a feature on some of his properties, didn’t they? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fcc6d038da89ddd83507e8c4c770ec24588e334b2a4898cde44b911371326dbb.png

    • zhera

      She needs better acceccories. That orange lump of ooze she’s always seen with really ruins her outfit, no matter what she wears.

  • Snarkaholic
    • Lazycrockett

      YumO metal shards!!

    • Hank

      with BIG hands like his, I now know, why Herr Drumpf likes his Russian Boss!!!

    • AJ Drew

      He’s good for a laugh, sometimes even helpful (the can on concrete is a good tip,) but usually it’s more like this:

      You’ve been taking off your t-shirt wrong! (Apparently it requires safety goggles.)

      https://youtu.be/U482emggMao

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I notice it’s almost always guys who blow things up, set things on fire, use liquid nitrogen, make DIY flame throwers, and shoot at things on youtube.

        • AJ Drew

          Yup, and if you browse long enough you’ll probably “meet” my nephew. (sigh)

        • Lizard

          I was doing that kind of stuff as a kid. Never thought to film it, though. I try to think of it as an interest in science.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    OT – So this happened today. (I’m beyond being embarrassed anymore.)

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/906334826692739073

    • Lazycrockett

      Such a fucking baby.

    • Lizard

      Rarely have I seen such a clear indication that Drumpf has a tiny dick. I actually laughed.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        A real man like Obama doesn’t constantly need reassurance of what he has in his trousers. No wonder Dump hates him.

        • Lizard

          He’s also realizing that a black man did a much better job in the job he’s currently failing miserably at.

    • djcoastermark

      Huh, and we thought the pissing contest was over.

    • safari

      So, we’re going to bomb Kuwait?

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Would somebody please just give Trump that prosthetic that Mark Wahlberg wore in ‘Boogie Nights’ already? Thanks in advance.

        • safari

          We still haven’t figured out what other “unorthodox” sexual proclivities Donald has aside from his watersports experience alluded to in the Steele dossier.

        • SockMikey

          He’d need something MUCH BIGLY for that ass of his… 🙂

    • Lazycrockett

      It like he doesn’t realize he doesn’t own Air Force 1.

    • fuzzybits
    • DaddyRay

      He can have a bigger plane if he funds the new plane with tax increases for the Rich

      • safari

        …and he bitched about a replacement to the current AF1.

    • Treant

      Our is Air Force One.

      Theirs is a hefty Kuwait Eight.

    • Ninja0980

      When hurricane season ends, he’ll be screwed because he won’t have stuff like to take attention off him anymore.

    • SoCalGal20

      Of course.

    • Hue-Man

      Planus envy

    • MikeBx2

      That’s because the Kuwaiti ruler is much wealthier than he is. Sad! (The article says Trump was likely referring to his personal 757 aircraft.)

    • You know those Arab guys!

  • JWC

    Where are you based??

    • safari

      Central lower Michigan at 0357 UTC?

  • fuzzybits

    Mosquito explosion after Hurricane Harvey. https://gfycat.com/TenseQuerulousJohndory

  • DaddyRay

    OK – off to bed, hopefully my laryngitis is gone in the morning and the storm predictions don’t get worse

    nite

  • SoCalGal20
    • Treant

      Tick-Tock.

    • Bryan

      Smart.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      That’s VERY interesting considering I can’t think of anything she actually does.

      • Lizard

        I wouldn’t have known who she is without the link. “Hope who?”

      • safari

        Young, long-term loyal, and she doesn’t speak to the press.

      • djcoastermark

        Ping pong balls. That is all.

        • safari
          • djcoastermark

            Yup My thoughts exactly !

          • JCF

            What is this?

          • safari

            A scene from The Adventures of Priscilla Queen of the Desert.

          • JCF

            Huh. I must be getting old (and I saw it at least 15 years ago), but I just don’t remember that scene.

          • Talisman

            Something I’m not interested in seeing. Ever.

          • safari

            You really should. It is a queer-positive movie from 1994 about two drag queens and a transgender woman traveling through the Australian outback, meeting people both good and bad, and finding love and acceptance. It won an Oscar for best costume.

          • safari
          • Talisman

            I’ve seen the movie.

          • johncAtl

            It’s one of the few movies I’ve gone to a theater to see more than once. And of course I have the DVD and the soundtrack on iTunes.

          • safari

            It’s theatrical release was before I could take myself. I do want a re-release.

          • JCF

            Waitaminnit: are you saying the above scene is from “Priscilla”? Because I have seen that…and I sure AF don’t remember this!

          • djcoastermark

            Ok then, I won’t tell you about the ABBA vial.

          • johncAtl

            Ahh, shit. Are you sure you won’t?

          • djcoastermark

            Nope, Ain’t givin up the poop on it!

          • djcoastermark

            Oh, dear, this camp movie is something everyone must see. It’s even better the second time around a year or two later.

          • JCF

            Still not telling me WHAT is is…

    • Lazycrockett

      Isnt she blowing Drumpf or something?

    • JCF

      Oh please, oh please, oh please: write a juicy role for Hope Hicks (or maybe “Faith Fecks”?) in the next season of “Orange is the New Black”! 😉

    • Is that her natural hair or is she utilizing an extension? Also what’s with the eyebrows? This is what happens when KellyAnne Conway sets the style guide for ladies in the communications arm of the Trump White House —

  • bkmn

    What is sad is that far too many people in this country will not give a damn about this tragedy, because they are too busy tweeting, on fakebook, playing their games, or are caught up in candycane land games. This is why America can’t be great any more and why Trump was elected….along with all the Russian interference in the election.

    • Ross

      “….along with all the Russian interference in the election.”

      Huh?

      BECAUSE of all the Russian interference in the election.

      • bkmn

        The Russian interference was likely the tipping point for a populace that is more invested in what they see on their phones than reality.

        • Lizard

          Do you have any evidence that said devices have made people less invested in current events?

          I have had the opposite experience. People are constantly checking the headlines because it’s right there on their phones.

          • UrsusArctos

            But they’re ignoring the sourcing and viewing far more propaganda than ever.

          • Lizard

            That’s not the devices’ fault. It’s the fault of corrupt greedy content creators and a conservative government that can’t be bothered to regulate it.

          • Talisman

            They are checking the headlines about things they are interested in – which means the antics of the Kardashians, the latest Hollywood feud, the newest cat videos, and new items in the Netflix/Amazon/Hulu catalogue.

          • Lizard

            Says who? News viewership has spiked this year despite the fact that most people now get their news from a smartphone or computer. If the argument is “People can’t be bothered because devices have distracted them,” I’m sorry, the data does not support that.

            Besides, it’s possible to follow both celebrity culture and actual events. Personally, I don’t give a fuck about celebrities, but people are allowed to have more than one interest.

            And if we’re slamming Facebook, well…is what we’re doing here on JMG so different? We talk, interact online, express opinions. There are fewer selfies, but that’s about it.

        • Ross

          The Russian interference was ALSO likely about hacking the voting machines.

          But few people, it seems, are willing to even consider this.

  • thom

    Fuck Fuck Fuck
    Paid attention to the tracking earlier when it was bouncing around the east coast. So we drove to my mother in laws house in Safety Harbor, right by Tampa. Now we have no idea what we will do. They are not calling for evacuations for our zone (E) so we will probably just hope for the best.

    • Pay attention. If you are in storm surge area get the hell out. If Irma moves up Tampa Bay you are in trouble. Here is a searchable map. http://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/post/searchable-maps-show-county-evacuation-zones#stream/0 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/689f33c8e9cd9cdc04b3e15f282eba534bee9d00ea30bd37556abde6b44458bb.jpg

      • thom

        Thanks. We are in zone E. They have only called for zone A evacuations so far. We will check again in the morning. If they call zone E then we will move into a shelter. There are 4 open shelters within 10 miles

        • Ninja0980

          Stay safe!

        • safari

          Are you in the same evacuation system as Clearwater?

          • djcoastermark

            Clearwater/St Pete are in Pinellas county on the coast. Tampa is is in Hillsboro, which is next to us separated only by a bridge. An 8 mile bridge, but a bridge no less. Tampa has many low lying areas as they are on the bay. The bay from the Skyway in St Pete to Tampa is 28 miles. It is one big arse body of water. The bay has it’s own tides and and even wave heights.

        • djcoastermark

          St Pete here. We walked over to our evac shelter and saw it was not open. Hubs called the county hot line center to inquire if it would open any time soon. The very nice person on the line told us where ones were open, but told us they were not sure when other locations would open. They asked us for our number so they may call us back with further updates. Not 10 minutes later they called us back, with updates, asked if we need help getting assistance etc, etc. and will now call us with any updates. And yes they have. We are now registered in their contact base and are getting updates via text on our phones. Try giving your Hillsboro center a call.

      • JCF

        Oh the irony: just after Harvey hit, the Astros moved their game (vs the Texas Rangers, IIRC) to Tampa. Now maybe the Rays will play in Houston?

  • MikeBx2

    I scrolled back to see if this had been discussed but didn’t see it. What brought this on?
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/906320446882271232

    • safari

      There is nothing saying they can’t if the structures serve a public purpose and not a religious one mainly.

    • Talisman

      Just as soon as they start paying their fair share of taxes.

    • Lizard

      Churches were denied relief funds. They’re pissed. Never mind that’s they don’t pay taxes, which is where the relief money comes from.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I’d like to see Satanic Temple ask if they could get funds too. Not because ST wants the funds but it tends to make Christians back off if non-Christian and Satanists gain as well.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      OH fuck no. That would be merging state & church.

      • Lizard

        When has that ever stopped them before?

    • MikeBx2

      Is he speaking out for mosques and temples too???

    • Treant

      He’s our own Disastronaut.

    • boobert

      I’m sure joel osteen will be at the front of that line, since he opened reluctantly!

      • The mosques open their doors. The synagogues in Houston were mostly flooded (they are in West Houston) but the ones that were not opened their doors also. His church should not have been so slow about it.

        • Talisman

          Mosques don’t count as churches. There’s no way the dumpster or the Texan government would reimburse *Muslims*.

    • zhera

      I thought their no taxes was reimbursement. You know since they perform a ‘service for society’ or some shit like that.

  • Irma is so big the squall lines are starting to impact the Miami – Palm Beach area. We are starting to get 25 mph winds and rain bands. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/afad5aa2fdb147025e2512bab906177148598284015597399ec61d2d1257690d.jpg

    • safari

      Be safe.

      • Well we will be but the people on the West Coast of Florida are going to have big problems. Also Drudge linked to Wunderground which is a serious weather forecasting site — and is killing it with trolls. He should be ashamed of himself, he is endangering lives.

        • johncAtl

          First … be safe (as Safari said). Second … people like Drudge have no shame.

          • safari

            What’s he up to?

          • johncAtl

            It’s in Eddi’s post above. He’s caused trolls to go attack Wunderground.

          • safari

            I was curious about what Drudge said to cause the trolls… and I really don’t want to look it up.

          • johncAtl

            That I don’t know. I just trust Eddi.

        • UrsusArctos

          Fucker! I relied on Wundergorund the 2004/2005 seasons including Katrina and the aftermath. They killed of some good data presentation when Weather Channel bought them, but they’re still pretty good and getting better as an IBM owned company now.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          I thought Drudge lived in Florida?

    • djcoastermark

      It’s a full moon here, and I love going outside and watching the skies during it. Tonight tho, is very eerie. The clouds, tho small and at many different heights are already starting their circular path.They are also moving at an almost dizzying pace when watching them. It as if Mama Irma is calling all her children to come to her. It is all very ominous of what is to come. It is scary to see.

      • Lazycrockett

        Wow I have never even thought bout clouds being drawn into a hurricane before, must be fascinating to watch in real time.

        • djcoastermark

          It is. Been through many a storm here and have always been fascinated with the skies. Tonight is amazingly clear, yet there are clouds flying by. It is truly beautiful and scary at the same time.

          • Lazycrockett

            Though Im just a Midwestern who has never seen a Tornado. Yeah I know its not right, but everyone in the Midwest wants to see one.

          • Nychta

            I was like that when I lived in Wisconsin. I’d hear the tornado sirens and run outside to take a look.

          • safari

            I’ve seen the formation of a tornado. (Oh, look, those low clouds are rotating.) And I’ve sat through two EF1 or 0 tornado remanents. Never seen one, though. I… want to see one.

          • djcoastermark

            As a lad growing up in Ohio, I had that “opportunity”. It sends chills through your entire being. I guess that’s why I still always watch the skies. Words cannot describe the beauty and horror of nature. It must be experienced.

          • safari

            I want to feel that horror and beauty. It’s one more of my weaknesses.

          • djcoastermark

            A tornado. Forming. If you are outside, the blasts of hot air from one direction, suddenly a blast of cold air from another direction. Air currents fighting. Even the odd sick color of the sky. Like I said, raises every hair on your body.

          • safari

            Want

          • djcoastermark

            I really wish there was a way to capture ,or a way for you to see this. I cannot describe how amazing it is right now. The sharpness of the sky, the brightness of the moon and the racing clouds, how dizzying it all is. Right now there is no wind, but looking up at the sky is almost enough to make you fall down. It is that crazy. It is Dali and Van Gogh coming to life.

          • fuzzybits

            And the air becoming completely still before it hits.

          • Cuberly

            Back in the mid 70s our family was driving through western Nebraska when we got caught in a major storm. Yep, I thought I caught a glimpse of a tornado but my dad pulled the car over and we all clamored down into a ditch along the road side.

            I have no clue what happened for the most part, I was bawling, along with my brother. We sopped in that ditch for what seemed like an eternity. Covering out heads. We waited, then the torrential rain just stopped. Our poor parents scooped us up and we made it to the car and by the time we made it there there was sunlight. But ahead of us the sky was scary as hell.

            My dad decided to check the hail damage on the car instead of driving further into the storm. The odd thing is I don’t recall hail at the time. But when we finally made it to our aunt’s house we noticed we all had bruises here and there.

            Nature is a THING!

  • David Walker
  • Thots: Have lived in SF my whole life and we just had two days of record breaking heat at 106f. This morning an 8.1 earthquake hit Mexico – not 7.4 like our loma Prieta rattle that destroyed half The City but 10 times bigger! How are they surviving? And now a category 5 tornado up Florida’s back! No more!

    • Talisman

      Blame Canada.

      Or teh gays.

      • johncAtl

        It’s Canada’s fault. They should never have elected a PM with such a great ass.

        • Talisman

          As opposed to America, that elected a great ass.

          • johncAtl

            I would say massive as opposed to great.

          • safari

            I took my lunesta. If Donald aimed his ass at ISIS and spread his cheeks, could we defeat North Korea?

            (I’m really not that loopy. Yet.)

          • safari

            I feel like Doris sometimes.
            https://youtu.be/NFCQ9L2oR14?t=4m34s

          • Talisman

            I have ambien, though I don’t like taking it. Even taking melatonin renders me rather loopy & grumpy the next day.

          • safari

            Ambien is my beloved enemy. I can never take it again, but such fond memories… and such horrors.

          • Talisman

            My sleep doctor gave me a prescription for Ambien, and I had 1 refill when he switched it to Lunesta. I filled the Lunesta once and then refilled the Ambien to finish it off. And then I gave up on the CPAP and the whole idea that I’d ever get a good night’s sleep.

          • safari

            I’d stay with the CPAP at the very least. Once you are over the hurdle of getting used to it, I, for one, couldn’t imagine a world without it. Plus there is always the promise that we’ll have a gum-pack size “soon”.

          • Talisman

            The mask was torture. I could never get it seated properly, so it’d leak, until I adjusted it so tight it was rubbing sores on my face. And even then, if I moved the wrong way, it would spring a leak and wake me up. This happened as frequently as the apnea, so there was no benefit.

            I went through 3 different types of masks, and each was worse than the previous.

            So, yeah, no.

          • safari

            Nasal pillows?

          • Talisman

            Did not try them, and the doctor said not to. I have a bad habit of breathing through my mouth.

          • safari

            Try a chin strap?

          • Talisman

            I’ve already returned the machine.

        • Mikey

          so it’s ass fault?

  • David Walker

    And now for something completely different and, alas, fake. Nevertheless…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukv9v7IGZw

    • johncAtl

      I so hope someone has sent that link to Trump.

      • djcoastermark

        I just love that man.

  • Irma may be shifting east again to the spine of Florida according to wunderground. She may not be making landfall in Naples — but more on the spine of Florida. It is still uncertain, people like myself in the Miami – Palm Beach area still must not let their their guard up. The track can still shift.

  • Ninja0980

    I will say seeing stuff like this makes me glad that we only have to deal with blizzards most of the time.
    Not that they aren’t dangerous too but nothing compared to hurricanes or tornadoes most of the time.
    Flooding has become more and more of an issue though, especially the last few years.
    Nothing to do with climate change though right?

    • safari

      Beware of ice storms. I didn’t know their destruction until I had a 1:50 year one.

      • Ninja0980

        We know all about that.
        The 98 ice storm was a bitch.
        We had to take in my aunt and uncle (not a big deal) for a week and a half because of it.
        Better for them to have a place with heat then freeze to death back home.
        As you said, people don’t get how destructive they are, especially during the cold months when the ice won’t melt and the power crews have to basically melt the ice to restore power.

      • johncAtl

        People in places like, oh I don’t know – Michigan, make fun of when cities in the south shut down due to snow. The problem here is that unlike northern cities the ground (and roads) don’t freeze. So snow falls, melts, and then refreezes as ice. Ice storms are nasty.

        • Lazycrockett

          But also so damn beautiful when the morning sun hits that ice.

          • safari

            Just as good, after a freezing frost.

        • safari

          We salt our roads. It’s the trees that are the problems.

          • johncAtl

            If Irma makes it to Atlanta with enough strength left the trees here are the big problem. I think Atlanta is second to Denver for density of trees in the US – in a major metro area.

          • safari

            Totally

          • Talisman

            I’ll be moving my car….there are 2 pecan trees over my parking area. Pecan trees are notoriously fragile, and these are already rotted.

            But, yeah, the trees are always an issue here…the power companies have been making a effort to keep everything trimmed back so the power lines are less vulnerable, but it’s a losing battle.

          • Ninja0980

            We had a major storm here in 98 and suffice to say, there wasn’t an area that didn’t have damage due to falling trees.

          • UrsusArctos

            johncAtl – GA seems to be getting better. N GA gets snow most winters and the state DOT should know how to handle it. I noticed that GA had put salt barns along both I-85 south of ATL and I-20 east of town this summer as we headed to Charleston, SC for the eclipse.
            During the Blizzard of 1993 we left Charleston, SC heading home knowing the weather was turning nasty. When we got to Augusta on I-20 it started spitting snow. Halfway to ATL the counties had road graders out plowing the interstate because it was coming down heavily. We figured we’d be OK and make it home. Nope. At the I-20/285 junction on the east the state had done NOTHING. There was a good foot of ice/slush on the interstate. We crawled to Newnan on slick, icy, rutted, roads before giving up.

        • Talisman

          And, because they are so rare, southern cities aren’t willing to invest in the infrastructure to deal with ice storms – few snow plows, no salt reserves, etc.

          The power, cable, and other utility lines are mostly above ground, instead of buried, and that causes their own set of issues.

        • Ninja0980

          My sister lived in VA for a time and one day they got two inches of snow.
          Was enough to shut everything down for two days but as you said, they simply don’t have any equipment to deal with that.

          • safari

            Or the drivers who know to put distance between cars, slowly break, and keep an eyeout for an off-road escape.

          • Ninja0980

            Or not drive so fast.
            Ice + speed, not a good combo.

          • johncAtl

            Thirty-something years ago I took a defensive driving course, and the one thing that has stuck with me is that you should always make sure you have a way out if someone around you does something stupid.

        • JCF

          Yeah they are. If you have ice, you WILL lose power—it’s almost guaranteed.

  • Lazycrockett

    Okay S.E Cupps needs to be dropped into Irma.

    • Ninja0980

      She is a *($)#, that’s for sure.

    • Talisman

      I’ve only seen her commercials, and she reminds me of Reese Witherspoon, in all the bad ways.

      Nope.

      • Lazycrockett

        WTF is Cupps on here talking bout climate in the first place? Real Time is just stupid at this point.

        • Bryan

          Compared to the meteorologists I work with, I’m sure Cupps knows what’s what.

          Hahaha, no.

        • Ninja0980

          I’ve felt that way for a long time, especially when it comes to issues of race and LGBT issues.
          Does Bill Maher not get that we understand LGBT folks have it worse elsewhere but also don’t want to put up with shit here?

    • JCF

      You’re just realizing this?

  • Talisman

    I have 2 hopes for Irma: wiping out Mar-a-largo & my company’s headquarters in Maitland.

    Not hoping for any loss of life – just the destruction of these 2 facilities.

    And that the winds toss a giant keg of tequila on my porch, of course.

    • UrsusArctos

      Cuban rum do in a pinch?

      • Talisman

        At this point, I’d take rubbing alcohol.

        • JCF

          LOL

  • Ninja0980

    O/T but For those that were privy to the convo I had with some folks earlier, the main reason I bring up the red areas in NY is twofold.
    One is to sadly relate to many of the posters here that yes, those of us in blue states CAN understand why it’s like to be around hateful, bigoted people.
    Two (and more important) because the experience my cousin and his wife had has happened to other people I’ve known too (and no doubt to people you guys know as well.)
    Folks run to NY, OR, CA to escape their backward states and sadly find out that the area they went to is no better or even worse then the place they came from.
    If you know someone that wants to move out of AL,MS etc. to a place like NY or CA, make sure they do research to ensure they aren’t going to the red parts, which in some ways are worse because they folks know they live in a blue state on the state and presidential level (not for Congress) and will be happy to take their anger out on anyone left of Attila the Hun.
    End of rant, back to Irma.

    • JCF

      In California: see re “State of Jefferson”: that deluded state of mind, where rural parts of California can separate, “away from those brown people! And gays! Hollywood/San Francisco! Libtards!”

  • Talisman

    TWC is starting to repeat itself.

  • zhera

    To the JMGers who are still in the path of Irma: Be safe. Check in here as soon and as often as you can. And remember: Survival is more important than material things.

    I hope to see you all post Irma, Jose, and all the other hurricanes this season will bring.

    • Talisman

      Jose Cuervo, you are a friend of mine!

  • TampaDink

    I’ve not posted too much lately….I’ve spent the last month up in Tallahassee, house/dog/pool sitting for my brother & sister-in-law. My long suffering spousal unit preferred to stay home in Tampa with our pup….until Irma became a threat. Fortunately, I drove down & back on Wednesday before traffic became impossible & gas became scarce to evacuate my little family. Even though we are grateful to be out of the direct path of the storm, it is almost certain that we’ll be without electricity once Irma arrives up here in north Florida. My bro & sis-in-law are cutting their epic journey short to make a hasty retreat back home & will return tomorrow (Saturday) night. In hindsight, I wish that I’d taken more time when I went home to rescue Jeff & Sammy to gather more photographs & family heirlooms but there was only so much room in the car. I’ve lived in Florida almost all of my life….and have experienced several tropical storms & a hurricane or two but Irma seems to be “the perfect storm”. I’m grateful that the 3 most important things from our house are safe…Sammy, Jeff & myself. If we lose everything else, we will survive. That is why we have homeowner’s insurance, which is about as much as our mortgage each month. I’m going to try to check in here a few more times before the storm…but will be busy with getting our safe haven prepared. To everyone else in Irma’s way…I wish you all safe passage.

    • Ninja0980

      Thank you for keeping us updated.
      Wish you all the best.

      • TampaDink

        Thanks so much!

        • Ninja0980

          You’re very welcome.

          • TampaDink

            😉

    • Talisman

      Best of luck!

      No thoughts and prayers, though. 😛

      • TampaDink

        Thank you for the wishes of luck….they mean so much more than thoughts & prayers!

        • JCF

          Heh: are “wishes of luck” like, the non-triggering “thoughts & prayers”?

          https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2013-11/enhanced/webdr05/11/10/anigif_enhanced-buzz-5364-1384182505-24.gif

          • TampaDink

            A winking pup is just as effective as thoughts & prayers…and way more adorable!

          • JCF

            That’s actually a winking pug pup! Wishing/winking/thinking/praying for you, TD: one mixed-up mess of benificence heading your way…

          • TampaDink

            Truly, Irma could possibly end up doing us a solid. Our house has been on the market for about two years, offered as a “tear down” since our neighborhood has become so trendy…and we were planning to take the money and run back up to Tallahassee, where we met & where we have family.

          • Robincho

            You should try a wanking otter sometime… 😉

        • yes b’y

          stay safe TD

    • UrsusArctos

      Pick up extra phone chargers. Even when cell voice goes down you can text for a bit longer. We learned that post-Katrina. Stay safe and dry.

      • TampaDink

        Thanks….got that covered…..I’m not much when it comes to texting…but have a few J.M.G. buddies phone numbers, I’ll let at least one of them know how things end up for us….with encouragement to share that info. We have friends who live a couple of blocks away…and about 12 ft. higher above sea level who’ve assured us that once the weather has cleared they’ll walk down the hill to survey the damage & let us know what we have to come back to.

        • UrsusArctos

          If you bring a chainsaw and gas back with you, they will greet you as a hero. YMMV Oh! and booze!

          • TampaDink

            I’m sure that us true….but I’ve never aspired to be a super hero….or even a micro hero.

      • djcoastermark

        We got a few of those emergency chargers and hubs, being the computer nerd he is (love him for it) has 4 lappy’s with at least 2 batteries for each charging.

        • TampaDink

          Didn’t realize that you are also partnered with a computer nerd! It is times like these that this becomes a true asset!

          • djcoastermark

            Thank the stars !

          • TampaDink

            I thank my lucky stars constantly! When my bro texted me yesterday to let us know that they’re coming home ahead of schedule…and Irma his text announced “Hurricane Party!” My response (as any reliable Irish recovering catholic sibling was) I’m off to the liquor dept. at Costco. Upon my return, I assured him that I’d stocked us up on vodka, bourbon, rum & tequila. I added that I went into the “main store” in search of a case of bottled water…but since they had run out, I bought a case of my sis-in-law’s favorite from one of the local micro-breweries….which I am also fond of. I expressed concern about acquiring bottled water….true to our familial sense of humor (and of what is important) he responded…”we’ve got this big hole in the back yard filled with water…(their pool)…and that is all we’d need if their city water system fails, for flushing toilets. “and since you’ve secured all of the real liquid necessities, we’ll be fine!”

          • djcoastermark

            I’ve always followed what my grandma taught me as a lil goat about water as she was sipping on her CC and 7,” I don’t ever drink the damn stuff. Everyone that ever drank that damn stuff has died. Ain’t touching it.” Words to live by.

          • TampaDink

            My grandma never offered up such sage advice….she was too busy downing Seagram’s 7 & club soda….which my dad (her only child) teased her….was just “cookin’ whiskey”.

          • Steve Teeter

            “I never drink water. Fish fuck in it.” — W.C. Fields

          • prixator

            And they shit and piss in it, too.

    • djcoastermark

      Dagnabbit, with the way things are going, I wish we would have hitched a ride with you. Oh well, hindsight. At least we are as ready as can be.

      • TampaDink

        Are you guys staying home? If so, how far from the coast and/or bay are you?

        • djcoastermark

          Hunkering down, for now. The shelter by us may open in the am. We are on high ground about 40 blocks from the bay and 60 blocks from the gulf. Not worried about water, just the wind. It is the new wind forecast that has, well, needing exlax, figuratively.

          • TampaDink

            The wind forecasts are what lead us to believe that we may lose the house. We have a large live oak that sits about 5 ft. from the living room. I’ve not had it “trimmed up” in 3 years….so the chances of it, or even a portion of it, falling onto & through the roof are very real. Added to that, our backyard is prone to flooding…and on the back of the house we have a sliding glass door into the master bedroom.
            As I am sure I’ve told you, our house has been on the market, marketed as a “tear down” since our ‘hood has become so trendy & we’ve been planning to move back up here to Tally since this is where we met (the scene of the crime) and where we have some family. If Irma does her worst, she will expedite the move…and an empty lot in our neighborhood will probably move faster anyway.

            You guys stay safe!

          • djcoastermark

            Thanks , we will try. One good thing is that we had 4 massive trees taken out last fall. I didn’t like removing them, but one was only 8 inches away from the house. We had to petition the city to remove them and when they came out to inspect, the inspector said, Oh Hell, no problem. These trees are dangerous.

          • TampaDink

            I suspect that we’d have had to do more convincing and/or bribing, to get a city official to remove either one of the two big live oaks in our yard.

          • Reality.Bites
      • TampaDink

        I hope that you guys weathered the weather! We lost power for 12 hours up here in Tally….but according to one of our neighbors, our ‘hood didn’t lose power at all. Another neighbor reported that our house appears to be intact. The live oaks are still standing. Another neighbor will check out the backyard in the next day or two & let us know if the water seemed to have risen into the house. Probably coming home on the weekend.

    • JCF

      “That is why we have homeowner’s insurance”

      Sincerely hope 1) you don’t need it (no damage) and 2) if there is damage, you can prove it was from the wind (as I’m sure you know, homeowner’s insurance doesn’t cover flooding)

      …but you’ve got the right priorities: you family, two-legged and four. I hope you all (w/ your bro&sil returning) don’t get too much cabin fever for the duration! Best to you, TampaDink…

      [Now, how will TampaZeke fare? And djcoastermark?]

      • TampaDink

        Thank you for your well wishes, JCF! 0000Our house isn’t in a flood zone….although our backyard has a tendency for “water retention”…not having flood insurance shouldn’t be an issue…our live oak trees are the real threat. All that we can do is hope for the best & be grateful that we are not in a situation where we will have to un-evacuate immediately after the storm. I’ve no desire to be stuck in a highway parking lot. Where we are sheltering in place is a much larger house than ours…and my bro & sis-in-law are empty nesters….who I am sure will tolerate us for as long as need be. Additionally, my (eventual) in-laws live about 40 miles north of here. “Eventual” because Jeff & I have only known each other for 30 years…and we don’t want to rush into anything. ;-D

        • UrsusArctos

          Nice, another romantic! It’s the “living in sin” that has you all excited
          We were together 34 years before we could get married and have it matter much legally around here. Once marriage equality became real nationwide, we went to Montréal, closed the border back into VT and had a JP mayor us (and our best friends who had been a couple for 44 years). Nothing much romantic, it was mostly to clear up the legal morass around property and medical. IF/When you tie the knot – mazel tov!

    • fuzzybits

      Be safe and be well.

      • TampaDink

        We shall & we will, thank you!

    • barrixines

      All the best to you and yours. Stay safe and warm and dry.

      • TampaDink

        Thank you, ever so much.

    • billbear1961

      Glad you were able to transport your family to shelter in the north, TD!

      Hope your home will be spared AND that things won’t be too difficult in Tallahassee!

      I hope you can keep us posted!

      Good luck!

      XO

    • Ginger Snap

      You and you family stay safe.

      • TampaDink

        Thanks…we are all fine. None of our FL or S. GA family experienced any property damage. Just a great deal of yard debris. We’ll head home this weekend…after the worst of the reverse evacuation traffic.

        • Ginger Snap

          So very good to hear.

          • TampaDink

            Absolutely! We’ll be heading home on Sunday….our neighborhood never even lost power, according to some of our neighbors. We are very fortunate….and as heartbreaking as it is to read about the loss of lives & property damage throughout the state & the Caribbean, the way things looked before she made landfall in FL looked much more grim than things turned out.

    • zhera

      SO glad to know you’ve evacuated! And you’re right, the only thing that matters is survival. Things can be replaced, houses can be rebuilt.

      Please check in after Irma has passed! We here at Joe’s will worry about you. ♥

    • yes b’y

      stay safe

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Thanks for posting. I was wondering where you ran off to.
      Stay safe.

    • Galvestonian

      God Bless man … I wish you the best. Take care.

  • Ninja0980

    http://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/06/owner_of_diner_whose_menu_lampoons_obama_guilty_in_welfare_fraud_case.html
    O/T but since we need a feel good story, am happy to announce this diner in my neck of the woods is out of business since last month.
    Which means the teabagger owner is SOL since he still owes a lot of $$$ to Uncle Sam.
    Love a feel good story on days like this don’t you?

    • TampaDink

      This is better than any massage parlor happy ending!

    • JCF

      What.An.Asshole!

    • djcoastermark

      Even on an empty stomach, just reading that idiots menu would be having me hurl my deepest darkest food bits from days ago.

    • Dramphooey

      They call us snowflakes–and they’re the snowflakes.

      They call us parasites–and they’re the parasites.

      They call us unAmerican–and need I go on? Anything they accuse the good guys of is exactly what they’re doing.

    • netxtown

      Another Marketing 101 flunkie. Looks like he’s the tater-head with an empty purse.

  • JCF

    Do people “riding out” hurricanes in Florida drink Hurricanes? [Or is that just a NOLA thing?]

    Am not usually much of a cocktail person…but there’s just something about the color and {dyke disclaimer} that sexy glass!

    https://us.captainmorgan.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/CFNY1481_HURRICANE_-1067_326x5953.jpg

    • djcoastermark

      Um, no. We just fill the glass with ice, add the booze , aaaand, that’s it. Just drink. An orange slice on the side is cute though. You have to remember why we don’t buy green bananas. They are too long of a commitment.

      • TampaDink

        All of this is the Absolute truth!

        • djcoastermark

          Finlandia ! Somebody gets me.

          • TampaDink

            My friend Tito Grey Goose gets you, too.

        • Homo Erectus

          Hey TD! Are you all hunkered down in a safe place?

  • djcoastermark

    G’night one and all. We have lots to do tomorrow and need to get up early to get things done. Way lots more than we thought. Gonna take one more peak at the sky, while disturbing, is oddly comforting.

    • vorpal 😼

      Have a great night, djcoastermark! Happy dreams!

      • djcoastermark

        puuurrrrr.

    • billbear1961

      Good luck, dj!

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  • Homo Erectus

    The projected path is now (5:00 AM) showing landfall at Port Charlotte and then moving through Tampa. My House sits atop the highest ridge in Pinellas County so I’m dry and will be providing shelter for friends and family, but there is one other shelter available: http://www.tampabay.com/news/weather/hurricanes/need-a-place-to-stay-a-pasco-nudist-resort-says-theyre-open/2336815 I’ll be on line as long as the power stays on If anyone needs anything.

    • Mark

      Shelter is sorely needed. From my experience, make sure all the batteries are charged. From now on I’ll have a backup battery pack for the phone and also bring my power block for the connection in the car – that’s how we kept phones powered for 2 days until our generator could be brought online.

      • billbear1961

        MARK, there you are!!

        When is your flight from Guadeloupe for JFK?

        You were lucky to get out when you did because José is closing in on Anguilla today!

        EDIT: And it’s almost a category 5!

      • netxtown

        Mark!! YAY!! Glad to see you here!

        • billbear1961

          He got out last night on a chartered flight with 2 minutes’ notice!

          He’s on Guadeloupe, flying soon to JFK and then home to New Mexico.

          If you go to Joe’s story about the storms becoming “Triplets”–posted two days ago–you’ll see his posts, where there’s much more detail.

        • Mark

          Glad to see everyone! I”m in Toronto tonight – love Air Canada! They came through when no one else did.

      • DaddyRay

        So relieved to see you post and are out – what a harrowing experience.

      • SoCalGal20

        Good to see you! I was worried you may have been stuck there with Jose coming.

        • Mark

          My client is a force to be reckoned with and a charter plane was brought to the island to get me out of there. It’s been a challenge. My JFK flight was cancelled as I was flying today but Air Canada came through and I’m doing a very circuitous route, but in Toronto and 11 hours tomorrow and I’ll be back in ABQ but then another 1 hour 15 to drive home…..another long day…where’s the rum?

          • SoCalGal20

            Wow! Great news but you sure are getting around lol. I’m glad you were able to get out to someplace safe and you’ll finally get back home tomorrow. I’m glad that your client was able to get you get you out.

          • William

            Glad you’re safe.

    • billbear1961

      I hope you’ll be okay, HE!

      Please check in to let us know how things are as often as you can!

      I hope you won’t be without power too long!

      Do you have emergency sources of power? Anything you can power your computer with for at least a few hours if you really need it?

      Do you have a transistor radio with backup batteries??

      Plenty of food and water??

      A source of water you can use to flush your toilets if the water shuts off??

      • Homo Erectus

        Thanks, BB. I’ve been here through 47 years of hurricanes, so I’m not worried. All of our utilities are underground so power interruptions are rare and brief. I can scoop a bucket of water out of the pool for the toilets if necessary. My phone is a WiFi Hotspot, I can charge it from the car if need be. Batteries are charged, and the grill is gassed up, fridge and bar are stocked, freezer is full of ice. My main concern is my commercial building and my business which is only a block from the Gulf in an area that has already been evacuated. It has an 11 foot finished floor elevation (Built to Hurricane Andrew specifications – up to 135 mph winds), but the road into it often floods.

        • billbear1961

          You have a lot of experience and sound very well prepared, but remember it is a MONSTER storm!

          I’m sorry about the vulnerability of your business! You’ve done what you could to protect it since Andrew!

          Good luck, sweet lover of butterflies!!

          I will try not to pester you again with so many questions–you have a LOT to do, to prepare for!

          XO

      • netxtown

        “Do you have a transistor radio with backup batteries??”

        I bought a Ryobi radio a while back – just in case. What I really like about it is that it uses the same 18v battery as my portable power tools, and it is rechargeable. It’s not a boombox – but it does have ports to charge phones. I have several of the 18v batteries – so I can go days with power to spare. I think you can also play music from your phone on it as well although I’ve never done that. The only thing it’s missing is a built-in flashlight (but I already had a separate Ryobi flashlight)

        Sorry to be plugging a product at a time like this – but one of these is danged handy when needed. (Ryobi Model P742, about $50)

        • billbear1961

          People may find that info very useful!

    • SoCalGal20

      Stay safe and heep us apprised as best you can!

      • Homo Erectus

        As of 1:00 PM EDT Irma was downgraded to a Cat 3 as it lost a bit of steam going across Cuba. Max sustained winds are 125 mph.

        • SoCalGal20

          It’s going to pick up steam again, it seems. And it’s now made the turn north. Take care!

  • Galvestonian

    If it hit anywhere at a cat 5 there won’t be much left including human life. My father rode out the great New England Hurricane of 1938 and he told me that he saw a straw that had been pushed straight through a telephone pole because of the terrific strength of the wind. In many cases it tore the clothing off of your body and picked you up and threw you hundreds of feet. It completely eradicated whole areas leaving only scoured sand.

    • billbear1961

      You made it through Harvey without any major problems, G?

      I remember the water was inching its way up the driveway towards your car!

      Is everything okay?

      • Galvestonian

        Hey BB, no problems here on the island it was just flooded streets and overflow but the drains worked and we’re back to beautiful days and sunny weather. Thank you so much for thinking of me. I really appreciate you ( and your perfect music selections ).

  • PeterC

    It is “god’s” present to the US; perfect that it is arriving on Sunday.

    • JWC

      and the day before 9/11

  • BooHoo

    You’re very welcome.