Latest Model Predicts “Worst Case Scenario” For Miami

NBC News reports:

Hurricane Irma was on a track to slam Miami this weekend as it continued to cut a fatal and destructive swath through the Caribbean islands Thursday.

As of 6 p.m., Miami was about 52 hours from feeling the first effects of a killer storm that has already been blamed for at least nine deaths across a string of islands and has left more than a million people in Puerto Rico in the dark, NBC News’ Weather Unit said.

The good news is that Irma “has peaked in intensity” and likely to weaken very slowly over the next four days, the NBC forecasters said. But even a slightly weaker Irma could do serious damage to Miami and lash the low-lying city with 129 mph winds and gusts of up to 159 mph.

“Miami has no choice but to prepare for a strong Category 4 hurricane,” the NBC meteorologists warned. “Most of the damage in South Florida is expected from the storm surge and winds.”

And when Irma is done with Miami, it is expected to make landfall late Monday or early Tuesday further north in Georgia and South Carolina, the NBC forecasters said. The governors of Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina have declared states of emergency.

  • safari

    How many “worst case” scenarios does that make this year?

    • SoCalGal20

      Too many. Especially considering in most cases it only seems to be “worst case scenario” until the following week when a new “worst case scenario” comes up

    • AtticusP

      It all began on November 8, 2016…

      And it’s been a shit show from there.

    • Talisman

      Besides the one that’s been going on since Jan 20?

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Good point, safari! Sensationalism = clicks?

      • safari

        I don’t think it’s clickbait…

        • Cuberly

          Yep, this isn’t click bait..

    • Tomcat

      Lets see it all started Nov 8, oh that’s last year, but it is where it all started.

  • Lazycrockett

    Its still going to be a fucking hurricane when it hits the Midwest!!!!!!!!!

    • Gustav2

      When it hits Tennessee it will lose most of its strength. The ones that come up the Mississippi are stronger, less topography to weaken it.

      • Tomcat

        Yeah those Smoky mountains are hard to get over.

      • GayOldLady

        That’s our claim to fame in TN “tropical storm weakener”

        • Gustav2

          Bless your hearts. LOL

        • greenmanTN

          Too bad Anita Bryant doesn’t still have her “dinner theater” in Pigeon Forge. (She skipped out without paying her bills or employees.) She could do a show and call it Gone With The Wind.

  • SoCalGal20

    I was watching Hardball and the opening segment was the latest on the Irma forecast. I hope all the FL JMGers have made their escape from the storm. It’s going to be devastating.

    • Lazycrockett

      Chris was already counting his rosary beads.

      • SoCalGal20

        LOL

    • TampaZeke

      We’re hunkering down here in Tampa. Very scary. Especially now that the models have shifted a bit westward.

      • Joe in PA

        We have two friends in Ft Laud, one is evacuating to Walton Manors (srsly) and the other to Sarasota. I hope he’s already left. πŸ™

  • Gustav2

    MSNBC showed something unusual, an empty Miami Beach beach at 7:00 pm.

    That’s good.

    • SoCalGal20

      Yeah, but the also showed the huge traffic jam of people trying to get the fuck out of FL and also talked about the gas stations not having gas. That’s bad.

      • Lazycrockett

        Someone better protect Jacob!!!

      • swimboy

        My family a bit further north and decided not to leave. My sister posted today that it doesn’t matter what they want, they *can’t* leave now: the freeway is a parking lot and nobody has gas.

        • SoCalGal20

          Scary but there’s just no really good way to evacuate all of FL

          • GayOldLady

            The only way out of Southern Florida is north until you get to the panhandle. That’s a long drive with few alternative routes to the interstate.

          • djcoastermark

            pretty much only I75 or I95. There’s a few other local type 2, sometimes 4 lane roads but that’s about it. 95 and 75 are already a mess. According to our local news, a stretch of 75 in northern Fla that normally takes 30 minutes to travel is taking about 2 and a half hours.

          • GayOldLady

            At least in TX folks could go North and West but in FL this hurricane is so massive there’s nowhere to go but North.

          • GayOldLady

            Are you on your way out?

          • SoCalGal20

            Yeah.

      • djcoastermark

        We topped off the tank yesterday and had trouble finding a station with gas or no looong line. We stopped thinking of the biggie stations and found gas at a mom and pop station on a little used street. Useful tip for anyone looking for gas.

        • SoCalGal20

          That’s good advice. Have you evacuated?

          • djcoastermark

            So far we are getting our property prepping done. Tomorrow will be a big day for last minute stuff. Ie waterproofing documents, pictures etc. So far we are staying, But, and it;s a big But. ( ! ) The evac shelter is only a block and a half away and we are on high ground.

          • SoCalGal20

            Stay safe!!! Where are you again?

          • djcoastermark

            St Pete. It’s not as dire here, but with the track shifting back west we are considering all our options. As of now, the weather guy is saying with the shift we could expect winds of up to 80+ mph. We won’t be foolish if it is going to be bad here.

        • GayOldLady

          I hope you’re getting out

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN
    • Wesinoregon

      I wish they had a live cam on it.

      • Captain Jack

        I agree with you but I’m sure he will use public funds to repair any damage

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          Yeah, FEMA will short the thousands who need help desperately in order to rebuild and improve greatly, the Winter Whitehouse.

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            After all, the State Department endorsed Mar-a-Lago, so that might have meant something, at least in the past. Now, not so much.

    • vorpal 😼

      Now THAT would make me believe in a benevolent and just god!

      • JWC

        We could say the Rainbow flag drove it off

        • LesbianTippingHabits

          I am tipping generously for good service to generate wonderful good karma to help bring about even better karma for America and everywhere in the entire world.

          • RutheMFrey

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      • Rambie

        Have it bounce off a certain spot in NJ would really make me a believer.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      “Listen, I don’t personally support Trump. I’m here for a fundraiser.”

      — H. Irma

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        I only came to find out if hillary was fit to be president. Sorry im late.

    • Nowhereman

      It would be nice if it could dip in and hit El Rushbo and his spittle covered golden microphone.

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Nice visual. Thanks

    • BEARY FLINTSTONE
  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    To the Ark! Whaddya mean it doesn’t float?

  • Sam_Handwich

    shit. last couple of days it was trending more east

    things could still change tho!

  • Mark NΓ©e Fuzz

    Those Evangelicals better double up on that pray away the hurricane thing. In the mean time I will fart in the general direction of Miami. My efforts will be every bit as effective.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Todd20036

      This storm could even affect DC, though it’ll be a Cat 1 at worst by then

      • Tatonka

        Flood the swamp.

      • FAEN

        Which will still be bad.

        • Todd20036

          Indeed, especially since DC isn’t really prepared for hurricanes. They occur too infrequently.

      • Joe in PA

        yikes, I hadn’t thought of that…I’ll be in DC Sun-Wed…I’m guessing I’ll be out in time. Hmmm.

        • Hank

          I was living in DC in 2003, when Hurricane Isabel hit. It was about a Cat 1, when it hit the area. I never lost power in DC, but my best friend in Arlington, VA @ 5 miles away lost his power, early on. I drove to get him during the eye of the storm, the rains stopped, (a live power line was blocking his car) and was there and back by the time the eye passed and the rains began again. It took 5 days for him to get power.

          • Joe in PA

            Hmmm, must have been the gin…but I lived in DC in 2003 and I don’t remember that. πŸ™ I lived in Alexandria. It always seemed like Bethesda would get the storms…always trees down across power lines.

        • FAEN

          Perhaps I’ll bump into you.

          • Joe in PA

            Are you in DC? How did I not know that? Love the city, and we always thought we’d move back when we retire from our “retirement”. I’m thinking it might be too expensive for us now. πŸ™

          • FAEN

            Yeah I’m here.

    • The New Paige Turnerβ„’

      I want my President back – And Im not even an American.

      • FAEN

        The entire world does.

    • Christopher

      “We are all in this together.”

      I tried to resist, but the urge was too strong.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbrbUfYSt0E

      • Joe in PA

        I tried to resist

        Sure Jan. πŸ™‚

    • Bluto
  • Do Something Nice
    • safari

      Sexuality via internet was always very easy for machine identification.

    • houstonray

      I doubt this will ever be available to the general public. Can you imagine? People plugging in pictures of coworkers, potential romantic interests, celebrities. Even politicians….oh wait, hmm……

      • safari

        It’ll be part of 2020’s eyeFace app suite.

      • Do Something Nice

        Yes. Every anti-gay politician in the world could be outed with this technology.

        • safari

          Lindsey, Sessions — are you listening?

      • ultragreen

        I wouldn’t be so sure of that. The AI algorithm is based on ‘deep neural networks,’ which is fairly simple stuff.

        • safari

          Depends on the generality of the neural network system.

          They have gotten very good. It’s not your ’90s neural learning systems.

          • ultragreen

            All neural networks are based on general models. The feature-detection neurons can be automatically self-generated or pre-specified. The former approach is more sophisticated and completely generalizable to different tasks, the latter approach is more primitive and restricted.

          • safari

            Indeed, the underlying model of network selection depends upon the generality of the mapping of the network representation to the problem space, which has in fact improved along with methods to hone the representation to general problem domains.

          • ultragreen

            The more sophisticated network models are completely generalizable and adaptable because they are self-generating. That means they are widely available. I see no reason why access to such network models would be restricted to any greater extent than the usual statistical models of classifying information as they could easily run on anyone’s personal computer using a sample database.

          • safari

            No argument.

        • John30013

          And could easily be put online with an easy-to-use web-based front end. Just upload a photo and the app will tell you the sexual orientation of the person in it.

          In fact, I would be surprised if this application (or something very much like it) weren’t widely available in the near future.

    • Mark NΓ©e Fuzz

      I’m inclined to call bullshit. It really sounds to me more like the study group included individuals that conformed to certain stereotypes, rather than the diverse bunch of people we really are.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        But that wouldn’t account for the machine outperforming humans. If anything, I would think that humans would be more subject to stereotypes than a computer would be.

      • Sporkfighter

        If the photos came from dating sites, those posting the photos posed for and chose pictures designed to appeal to a specific demographic. That’s a far cry from using pictures from CCTV in a supermarket to make the same predictions.

        All they’ve done is show that a computer algorithm can detect when people have adjusted their appearance to fit the norms of a group they with to appeal to.

    • Snarkaholic

      That doesn’t sound plausible.
      For example: a woman, whose hair is just beginning to grow back following cancer treatments…would the AI deem her to be a butch lesbian?

      • ultragreen

        I think it’s possible, at least in a laboratory setting. The methodological procedure probably involved a binary forced-choice: 50% of the photographs were from people who identified as gay/lesbian, and 50% of the photographs were from people who identified as straight. A 90% accuracy rate, under those circumstances, seems reasonable to me if you use a sophisticated statistical or machine-learning model.

        In the real world, however, only 5% of the population identified as gay/lesbian, rather than straight. Correctly predicting something that occurs only 5% of the time is always harder than correctly predicting something that occurs 50% of the time in a laboratory setup. That’s because the number of ‘false positives’ (straight people incorrectly identified as gay/lesbian) starts to skyrocket when trying to predict something with a low base rate.

        Another problem is the generalizability of the study: There is probably greater variability of people in the real world than what was used in this laboratory experiment. This could also lower the accuracy of the algorithm that was used in this study. To some extent, your comment about the woman receiving cancer treatments raises this issue.

    • Gustav2

      Who is the Alan or Albert and why does he care?

  • houstonray

    FL JMG’ers, please get out now. Don’t take a chance. As one of our local weather people said here in Houston, it will be like a F3 tornado, on the ground for hours, from one end of Florida to the other.

    Please don’t take a chance. Leave.

    • Tomcat

      Not to mention there will also be tornadoes along with it plus ocean surge.

      • houstonray

        Aboslutley, and the potential storm surge as it hits Lake Okeechobee will inundate the areas around there as well.

        • djcoastermark

          They are pumping water out of Okeechobee as fast as they can. They know they have to. as the levees were built almost 90 years ago, are pretty weak, and are nowhere near being done with the shoring up project.

          • FAEN

            Cheeto will sign that massive infrastructure bill any day now.

      • Lazycrockett

        9 ft ocean surge in Miami is being forecast.

        • SoCalGal20

          Hardball had a meteorologist on saying 15 foot storm surge in places.

          • FAEN

            Holy shit!

            Sadly due to climate change oceans are getting hotter which contributes to these storms which will scarily become the norm.

        • FAEN

          Fuck!

    • Snarkaholic

      And PLEASE (I’m genuinely begging here) take your doggies, kitties, and other beloved pets with you.

      • Todd20036

        And in a pinch, you can always eat them.

        *ducks, runs*

        • Karl Dubhe

          I think we’ve got a volunteer for the evacuation catapult. πŸ™‚

        • safari

          Cats won’t hesitate to eat their dead owners. It is one reason why I love them.

          • vorpal 😼

            My husband sleeps so soundly and for such long periods that I worry that if I let the food bowl go empty, he will wake up missing a couple toes…

          • safari

            I imagine they’ll go for the cheeks first. Either.

          • Christopher

            Most animals go for the soft tissue first.

            Eyeballs, tongue, genitals.

            Isn’t nature wonderful?!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e42a40b6adccdb6c11d31dba396ff31cc75a930c3a5b2dc3a4fd74bd4c5b4a79.png

          • vorpal 😼

            They are so utterly adorable and charming that you can almost entirely wear blinders to block out their murderous intentions.

          • Joe in PA
          • vorpal 😼

            Ha! Poor doggie!

            Our cat Felix (the black boy that currently isn’t my avatar, which is his older foster-fur-brother Duncan) is an unholy nightmare of epic proportions… which I accept full responsibility for, since he’s the baby and I raised him doing all the the things you should never do when raising a cat (e.g. wrestling with him with my bare hands and getting him all worked up and hyperstimulated with fun excitement).

            He loves to sneak up behind the other three cats, his eyes narrowed with ill intent and his ears perked forward with mischief like bull horns, and then proceed to bite them on the thigh and run away as fast as he can.

            He is a big obnoxious shit disturber like his semi-human daddy / attendant!

          • Joe in PA

            They must be indoor cats. Ours is indoor/outdoor depending upon his mood. He’s currently indoors and resting 1/2 on the desk, 1/2 on my chest…tail draped across the keyboard. Sheesh cat.

            Now don’t take this the wrong way, but I think indoor-only cats are psychotic. πŸ™‚ We have a friend in DC that has never had an in/out cat, and ALL of his cats have been nuts. πŸ™‚ So, I’m stating this as fact. Ahem. πŸ™‚

          • vorpal 😼

            Yup! They are all indoor cats, although the two black boys get to occasionally go out on a harness / leash with us in the backyard if they manage to convince us with sad, plaintive meows to take them. (We used to take the tortie gal out as well, but she is a little Houdini and figured out that she can escape the harness by backing out of it instead of pulling forward on it, so she lost her privileges. The fat orange tabby boy has no interest in going outside as he’s old, lazy, and scared of everything, and the outdoors are too much for him.)

            We have a very serious stray dog problem here in Chile. You literally cannot walk more than two blocks without encountering at least one stray dog. People just put them outside when they become inconvenient, such as when humans go on vacation, and if the dog is still there when they get back, they may take it back in.

            Chileans also don’t like to spay / neuter their animals (they see neutering as a form of animal abuse and reducing the value of the animal), so the male dogs can be occasionally quite aggressive. In general, the population bands together to keep them fed and docile, but if food gets scarce, they can form packs and become extremely dangerous. I’ve been jogging in town a few times and will suddenly look back and see a pack of six dogs gaining on me, which is terrifying. People have been attacked and on rare occasion killed by dog packs.

            For that reason, keeping the cats strictly indoors unless supervised is highly advised. Many of our neighbours here have had indoor / outdoor cats that were killed and eaten by dogs. You can hear the sound of a cat screaming and being eaten maybe once or twice a year at night and it is truly blood-curdling.

            I don’t at all disagree that purely indoor cats can get quite psychotic at times :-). It makes things much more lively! We’ve determined that four indoor cats is the perfect number for us: we can mentally justify owning an average of two cats per human without seeming like crazy cat people for the most part, and the base level of chaos is just right so that we’re never bored.

            Ha! Yes! Cats always, always, always have to have some body part draped on the keyboard without fail, and laptop charger cables are their sworn enemy: they will do anything to unplug them. Hubby is of the type where if a cat sits on him, he will go to any length of suffering to keep the cat happy and in place, whereas I’m the type who lets the cats sit next to me and cuddle with me, but they know that I am not a submissive perch!

            Hope you are enjoying your evening of kitty cuddles! I’m in Santiago for medical procedures so I get to enjoy a lovely luxury hotel and eating out while all the cat duties fall to hubby, who is home tending to them in my absence!

          • Joe in PA

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/14651652ea226b2bfc071d306887b6641d5495ad8d2ee0d41dd26bc0165ed8a7.png Wow, we tend to forget, life outside the US can be different! πŸ™‚

            So, I’m with your hubby, I’m a pushover. Especially with the dog. The cat seems to sense when I’m about to move and does so immediately. The dog…not so much. She EXPECTS to have that spot on my lap or spooning in bed. πŸ™‚

            So, Jerry-the-cat has decided that the trackpad is a good pillow. πŸ™‚

          • vorpal 😼

            D’awwwww!!! =melts into a gooey puddle=
            I never get tired of seeing pics of Jerry. He is such a handsome cutie!

            When it comes to dogs, I like them, but they’re like kids: I don’t mind spending a few hours with them, but I don’t want to share my living space with one since I tend to overstimulate way too easily and dogs require a lot more vigilance and care than cats. That being said, I am such a sucker for dogs and if a lonely, hungry stray wanders through our backyard in the evening, I will be mixing them a big bowl of ground beef with eggs and bread and then out in the grass cuddling with them while hubby rolls his eyes and starts mentally preparing to treat the cats for the fleas that will inevitably follow me in, while I justify it with, “Sometimes we all just need some physical contact and a good snuggle to make it through the day!”

            Here is a pic of the three boys (left to right: Felix, Duncan, Max) from a couple weeks back. The girl, Rapunzel, would NEVER deign to allow another cat to cuddle with her, with the occasional exception of Duncan, who is such a lover-puss that he can charm even the most ardent of cat haters. He will ooze ever so slowly up to you that you don’t even notice it, and then unleash the devastating rumble purrs and sensual head-butts that make you putty in his paws.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2e1ca4633a6d68e9c743ef7940e940f12114b6aba3499b9b8708157fac61bd42.jpg

          • Joe in PA

            Black cats…so hard to photograph…if you hadn’t said there were 3 cats in this picture…. πŸ™‚

            But they are some cuties! How could you NOT want to pet that?

          • vorpal 😼

            It’s the tragedy of black pets… nobody seems to want to adopt them from rescues / humane societies because they photograph so poorly and there’s so much silly superstition around them.

            That just leaves more for me! I’ve told this story numerous times, but I never would have even considered a black boy if one didn’t choose me first: I went to the humane society to adopt an orange tabby, when a black paw shot out of a cage and grabbed me. This awkward, bow-legged juvenile black boy with his huge yellow eyes was staring at me, and I figured, why the hell not? I asked if I could take him out and interact with him to gauge compatibility, and within two minutes, he had knocked everything off the desk in the room and in his clumsiness, tried to climb up a bookshelf and knocked a whole row of books down, which fell on top of him, and from that moment I was completely smitten.

            When our older two (the tabby and then the tortie) are no longer with us, I aspire to have four black boys so I can live in a constant state of complete confusion. Even now, although they’re quite different in appearance / fur texture, occasionally one of the black boys will wiggle up to me on my bed and I’ll be petting him without much focus and think it’s one cat, only to finally snap to it and find out it’s actually the other.

            Funny enough, the black boys are the most inseparable of all the cats, even though they couldn’t be less alike in terms of personality. Sometimes you can’t tell where one starts and the other begins!

          • FAEN

            That’s why they don’t get adopted? Jeebus people are idiots.

          • vorpal 😼

            Indeed. A good number of rescues / humane societies won’t even adopt out black cats for several weeks before Halloween because people adopt them with very bad intentions. It’s really sad. They’re euthanized from lack of adoptions at a much higher rate than any other coat colour.

          • FAEN

            That saddens me greatly.

          • vorpal 😼

            Breaks my heart, too, because while all cats are generally wonderful in my eyes, the black boys have always been amongst the quirkiest and most fun and rewarding.

          • FAEN

            This ridiculous superstition about black cats. Enough already.

          • zhera

            My personal experience is that black cats are more sociable and adaptable than other cats. But that experience is mostly from foster cats who were quite pleased with suddenly living in a house and being fed on a regular basis. So who really knows!

          • vorpal 😼

            Zhera! =mega-hugs=

            Foster animals in general are really special. As Harvey Levin often says on my very guilty pleasure of the People’s Court, adopted rescue / stray animals often seem to remember the hardship they’ve been through and thus appreciate the stability and love of a forever-home much more than bred / store-bought animals!

          • zhera

            Snuggles for you and your furries!

          • Bluto

            Nothing against reputable, responsible & loving pet breeders but there’s no doubt, rescue critters are by far the bestest.

          • vorpal 😼

            Agreed! All of ours are rescues / strays that we got from humane societies, with the exception of our youngest baby, who was in a litter from a pregnant feral that some friends of ours took in to care for in Hawaii. And of course, that makes him the brattiest since he’s never known a second of hardship in his life.

          • JCF

            I will never understand that. Almost every black cat I’ve ever met has been friendly.

            And black Labradors? My heart of hearts! <3

          • FAEN

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb669b0a18cb4a0c6b21ee28b7ac2b958b8d08bcf651104eae258c1c5221fcb4.jpg

            She’s not a black lab but she was part lab. My Gold Lion. I’m so grateful and privileged that she was in my life and I hers. Miss her every day.

          • vorpal 😼

            I have yet to have a bad experience with a black cat, and I fully agree with you on the black labs: in my eyes, they are amongst the prettiest and best dogs. I’m also partial to Great Danes.

            One time in Toronto I came across a girl walking this massive black lab / Great Dane mix… I just about swooned myself out of existence at his sweet charm and insane handsomeness!

          • vorpal 😼

            Oh, and I’m guessing from that trackpad that you are a Mac user! I love those trackpads :-). As a (way lazy, having let it slip far more than I should have) student of Mandarin, those trackpads are the best: if you find a character you don’t know, you can draw it on the trackpad and Mac OS X will identify it for you and tell you what it means and how to read it, which is far easier than most very complex methods of looking up Chinese characters in a character lexicon.

          • FAEN

            Have no ill will towards cats but dogs are in my heart. I’ve been known to cross streets to pet dogs lol.

            Of course I do adore Vorpal kitty πŸ˜‰

          • Joe in PA

            You just haven’t met the right cat. πŸ™‚

          • FAEN

            I will give you that. Doesn’t help that I’m allergic to them. Specially their saliva.

          • Joe in PA

            Awww. Hubs thought he was allergic as well, when we moved to the farm we knew we needed “barn” cats to help with the mouse/varmint population. We thought he’d be alright since they wouldn’t be in the house…well that not-in-the-house thing lasted about two weeks, but the good news is that he isn’t allergic any longer. So there.

          • FAEN

            Must admit-Jerry is absolute cuteness.

          • FAEN

            That’s so wrong lol. Poor puppy.

          • porsupah

            As demonstrated here:

          • whollyfool

            hey if I’m already gone, no hard feelings: )

          • vorpal 😼

            LOL I agree… If I was to die in my sleep or something, I’d rather the cats dig right in and eat me and survive rather than starve to death!

        • FAEN

          Oy vey!

      • TampaZeke

        And that’s the problem for those of us who have multiple animals. It’s very difficult to just up and leave. And there’s nowhere really to go.

        • Randy Left Brooklyn

          Please post if you can in the days following when the storm hits FL so that we know you are OK. Some of us will worry, even though you are on the gulf coast.

          • TampaZeke

            Will do!

          • TampaZeke

            Thanks Randy. Unfortunately for us in Tampa the models have shifted and Irma is now expected to make landfall on the Gulf coast side. The scenario continues to deteriorate for those of us on the west coast. Key West and the Keys are totally FUCKED!

      • houstonray

        YES! So true.

      • FAEN

        When I had a dog it was simple-If she couldn’t go I wouldn’t go. Period.

    • charemor

      I have a cousin in south Georgia who told me that already stores are out of food and water and gas and that traffic coming out of Florida is unbelievable. Don’t wait; leave NOW.

  • Leo

    I’m hearing/reading WAY too many reports of people wanting to hunker down. Sweet Jesus LEAVE. Try. God damn it. Carpool. SOMETHING. Oi vay.

    • houstonray

      I heard one lady with tiny children say it was “too inconvenient to leave and if nothing happens, it was all for nothing”. Sigh….

      • safari

        Death happens but once. Why not enjoy it with your children? (major /s)

        • glass

          Natural Selection!
          Que Wrecking Ball song but lyrics are Hurricane instead. O_o

      • SoCalGal20

        Idiot.

    • Treant

      Exactly. Storm, GTFO as soon as it commits.

      One does still have a day or so to watch the path, but it looks like it’s going to be bad regardless at this point for the Keys and Miami. Points north…we’ll see.

  • Tomcat

    Damn Christians, prayed it the WRONG way.

  • djcoastermark

    This is getting emotionally exhausting, and it’s still a few days off. Hopefully mental numbness sets in soon.

    • Sam_Handwich

      only baby goats in sweaters can save us now!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=tCwFe6N5ung

      • djcoastermark

        Me is trying too, me is trying hard !

      • SoCalGal20

        Awwwwwwww

      • Treant

        She knitted that sweater herself, using her own goat hair, too.

      • Joe in PA

        I love the wild jump-with-abandon leap off that rock at :25. LOL

  • LeeCMH

    Just a thought.

    Could Trump have made the deal with the dems — pissing-off the repubs regarding Harvey and national debt ceiling — because he is watching Irma bear down on Mar a Lago?

    Trump wants to make sure federal disaster relief will be available as his own property is under threat?

    • safari

      I go with the simplest explanation: Mitch made him sad.

      • Sam_Handwich

        yeah. frustrated revenge, even if he’s shooting himself in the foot

        • Gustav2

          How dare the House and the Senate not act like employees!

      • Cuberly

        Yep, or as I call it, a pout…lol…

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I think his narcissism is driving him to do anything that he thinks will net him a win that he can brag about without lying. He thinks Mitch and Paul are useless and hopeless now, so he’ll deal with Chuck and Nancy because he sees them as more effective. Note also that in his strange flip-flops of the last couple days (such as the debt ceiling and DACA), he’s really sticking it to the Freedom Caucus on the issues they care about the most. So maybe he blames them for his failures (which would be pretty accurate, to be honest), although he lashes out at McConnell, Ryan, McCain, Flake, etc. I think Trump would sign a single-payer healthcare bill just so he could put his name on it and remove Obama’s name. He’s not really ideological – he’s all about the fragile ego.

        • greenmanTN

          I prefer Sid Vicious and Nancy, a friend’s 2 cats.

    • Tomcat

      That would indicate trump has a brain and that is not a very good possibility.

      • LeeCMH

        There are also several waves off Africa that have potential to develop into hurricanes.

    • Treant

      I imagine Dumpy is very good at counting dollars, so that’s not completely out of the bounds of possibility!

    • Lumpy Gaga

      You know what they say: a Democrat is a Republican whose vacation house got leveled by a hurricane.

    • netxtown

      I think he sugar’d up to the Dems to maybe buy some ‘coddling’ for Junior during testimoney….AND make sure he gets some reno money for MaL.

      • carrot festival

        I suspect it’s for dismantling the ACA.

  • Tomcat

    About that tax cut for the rich and that debt ceiling and that paying down the national debt,,, it ain’t happening.

  • Treant

    Don’t ignore it, but there’s still many a slip twixt the cup and the lip. As we know.

  • Cuberly

    OT: I know it shouldn’t surprise me, and I’m no spring chicken, but it blows my mind the hateful ignorance directed at DACA kids.

    In my opinion this wins the internet for the week.

    https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/905599720290181120

    • Lazycrockett

      and that’s a smack down.

      • Cuberly

        ….and truth.

    • Snarkaholic

      That’s right, Delo, drag the bitch!

    • Tomcat

      If it were up to some people the only immigrants allowed would be the black people they bring in to do the work. Imagine that you MAGA assholes.

      • Todd20036

        Plus they’re great in the sack!

        • FAEN

          I could use someone, preferably an otter, good in the sack. Send me one lol.

          • vorpal 😼

            Let’s get this one cloned thousands of times and have Oprah hand out one to everybody. (Actually, I’ll take two while I’m at it!)

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33582dbdc8653fb8313672dde4e376dfbd71c9f9ccdd58d5467b8b448a103d3c.jpg

          • FAEN

            I’ll need a pair myself!

          • vorpal 😼

            LOL maybe they should just come in packs of two by default!

          • FAEN

            What a fabulous and brilliant idea Vorpal πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ˜ˆπŸ˜ˆπŸ˜ˆβ€οΈβ€οΈβ€οΈ

          • Todd20036

            You people are all shallow hussies!

            I am so proud!!! I’ve influenced you well!

          • FAEN

            LOL-shallow hussy and proud of it.

          • Joe in PA

            And floozy, don’t forget floozy!

          • FAEN

            But of course! I wish I were more of a floozy but as I said earlier, I’m officially single after a LOT of years. I need a tutorial in floozy. Desperately.

          • Joe in PA

            I suspect your inner floozy will come right back! πŸ™‚

          • FAEN

            Sigh-unfortunately I’m very much on the shy side. Tough to be a floozy when you can’t have a conversation. πŸ™

          • Joe in PA

            who said anything about “conversation”?

            Ahem. πŸ™‚

          • FAEN

            LOL-if only they would recognize my eye signals. But alas they don’t.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Its really bad manners to talk when ur mouth is full

          • vorpal 😼

            !

            You always come across as interesting, confident, and well-spoken here. It’s hard to imagine you being shy in real life!

            I’m not shy when interacting with people, but still a bit of a prude about casual sex… if I’m going to have sex with someone, I need to have some kind of connection with them (e.g. friend or lover) and know them reasonably well or I’ll never be able to feel comfortable and relax and enjoy it.

            Hubby and I have a limited semi-open relationship, as in we are almost always monogamous, but occasionally allow each other a little (always solo, never together) dalliance on the side, depending on the person and only if it is discussed in advance.

            He actually had a younger guy over last night that he’s known for almost a year, and was very hopeful, but the poor guy drank way too much (hard to keep up with hubby in drinking – I can’t even come close) and spent much of the night perched over our porcelain, so that didn’t quite work out. Ooops.

          • FAEN

            I’m shy to painfully shy when I first meet people which can be a turn off to many. I guess I come across as snobby or stand offish. Once I’m relaxed and comfortable I’m better lol.

            I love how modern you and hubby are. I’m a big Dan Savage fan and think a monogamish relationship is the way to go. Doesn’t work for everyone but it would probably work for me.

            Too bad about the guy drinking too much. Perhaps next time.

          • CanuckDon

            Glad I’m not the only one! My first partner in the ’80s was everything I wasn’t in that department. We stayed friends after our breakup and sadly, he passed away three years ago but anytime an opportunity ever arose where I could have taken a casual introduction with a nice guy to the next level but didn’t, I always say “Jim would have had that guy in his bed by now”.

          • FAEN

            I’m sorry for your loss.

            No you are not the only one Don. There are a good amount of us lol. Some guys just have the gift whatever it is.

          • Blake J Butler

            A side note about this guy, he does gay webcam videos under the name “straight jeff” a straight army boy he is, but is affirming and participates in pride.

            I watch too much porn to recognize these guys.

          • FAEN

            Wait what? You can watch too much porn?

          • Todd20036

            Beats me. I don’t think it’s possible to BE in too much porn.

          • FAEN

            LOL-I haven’t crossed over into that territory. Yet?

          • vorpal 😼

            Ha! He was the cutest top result when I typed “sexy gay otter” in google image search!

            I am very, very porn-picky. I have about 15 videos saved on my hard drive that I enjoy, and that is the extent of my porn collection. It has to be amateur, bareback (although I am for safe sex in practice with the exception of hubby – but fantasy is different), and with the perfect hint of kinkiness and dom / sub roles without being too extreme. If I watch 20 random porn videos online and I find one that appeals to me, it’s a good day.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Boy aint that the truth. I get so bored trying to find a porn scene to my liking so i can take care of business that i lose my bone and stop it altogether.

          • vorpal 😼

            Hear, hear… if I just wing it online, it takes me forever to find a decent video that does the trick, and more often than not, the hot video ends up being too short or at some point in the video, one of the performers does something that completely ruins the mood psychologically for me and sends me back to limp land.

          • charemor

            Gay or straight, I don’t care. Gorgeous man with a beautiful body.

          • Todd20036

            Don’t feel too guilty. Out gays still make up only 5-7% of the population. It’s straight allies like this army boy that helped gay rights move forward as much as they already have.

          • Smokey
          • FAEN

            Heck yes!

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Hes got a mighty big caulk gun….

      • vorpal 😼

        Agreed, but I’m pretty sure that that redneck trash would never refer to those with black skin as people.

    • vorpal 😼

      Ugh…

      I have a friend on facebook: much older lady, used to be one of our neighbours when we lived back in Ottawa in a townhouse complex. She was always very sweet with us and we really liked her.

      THEN we became facebook friends and I got to see her political views. Big mistake.

      Recently she posted a meme that really left a sour taste in my mouth:
      Q: What’s the difference between an immigrant and ET?
      A: ET learned English and wanted to go home.

      Ick. Ick. Ick.

      • JWC

        Sad when that happens. Did I know you had Canada in your life

        • vorpal 😼

          I’ve mentioned it a fair number of times on here, but I don’t think it’s ever come up in a thread that we’ve both been commenting on!

          I was born in the US (LOL I am one of them fancy anchor babies) but spent almost all of my life in Canada, and have dual citizenship. My early life was in a small town near Winnipeg, and the majority of my childhood and adulthood in Ottawa, with a handful of years in Toronto as well! (Toronto was probably my least favourite place ever to live. Way too big, crowded, chaotic, unfriendly, and expensive for my tastes, although I do miss the cultural diversity and the many Chinatowns since I am a fiend for most Asian food and culture.)

          I can’t remember if you mentioned whereabouts you are in Canada…

          • JWC

            I am a BC Brat born in a small town 7 miles from the US border. BC borders on 3 states WA ID amd MT My little town is just above the BC/ID part Lived in Calgary and Vancouver now on a small island at 48′ 56″ between Van and Vic .Gulf islands

          • vorpal 😼

            Nice! Yes, now I remember you telling me you are a BC brat, and mentioning that my brother moved out there about 18 years ago and absolutely loves living in Vancouver (which was his dream ever since he was a little kid), what with the convenience of a big city and the awesomeness of being able to get to all kinds of great outdoor places!

            I’ve barely spent any time west of Manitoba in either Canada or the US (with the exception of Hawaii, of course), but would love to go back and take a long vacation exploring the west!

          • JWC

            And you are now hmm let me guess Chile Venezuela I know it’s in SA

          • vorpal 😼

            I live here now (see linked map below), which is a fantastic place to be: high quality of life, fairly low cost of living, interesting culture, excellent geography (we are right on the Pacific and surrounded by mountains) and generally great people. I couldn’t ask for better weather: it’s subtropical and ranges from about 10C at night in the winter to about 24C during the day in the summer, and is sunny without a cloud in the sky about 95% of the time!

            After Hawaii, it is definitely second on my list of places to live! I love Canada for so many reasons but I will never reside in a place that has an actual winter ever again!

            https://www.google.cl/maps/place/La+Serena,+Coquimbo+Region/@-26.8654407,-85.5134385,3.78z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x9691ca649389f3c9:0x8a1787b3d1d84ccb!8m2!3d-29.9026691!4d-71.2519374?hl=en

          • JWC

            Ah Chile it is then

          • vorpal 😼

            You got it!

            One of the things that took me the longest to get used to is the Chilean peso. Pesos use the same sign as dollars for some odd reason, but $1 USD is about $640 CLP, so when shopping, I’d be buying a roast chicken for $3500 and having no context as to what that actually meant without pulling out my cell phone and doing a conversion. Getting phone bills for $20,000.00 always sent a shiver of adrenaline through me when I first read the amount.

            They still oddly have $1 CLP coins here (although you rarely see them), which is about $0.0016 USD. When I stumble across one, I give it to the hubby, telling him, “Here’s a peso for your thoughts, but given their value, I expect some change!” =grins=

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            I was having peso to dollar conversion fits in puerto vallarta this summer. Constantly using my cells calculator. But they will also flim flam u cause its a tourist town.
            Im sure you dont come across that in chile where they give you incorrect change or tell u that you didnt pay enough so u give tem more.

          • vorpal 😼

            We had that issue when we’ve traveled around in some parts of the Caribbean, but here in Chile, it’s not a problem. We only have a bank account in the US, but we can take money out at any ATM / ABM / whatever you want to call it here. The problem is that the bank fees are INSANE to do so… To get around $300 USD, I end up having to pay around $10-$12 in bank fees between the Chilean and Hawaii banks fee-raping you on both ends.

            Given that the cost of living here is generally cheap, it’s an expense we just tolerate with a frown.

          • JWC

            What time zone I am PDT

          • vorpal 😼

            The Chilean time zone is profoundly weird. Right now we’re one hour ahead of eastern time, but we range from the same as eastern to very rarely two hours ahead.

            DST is never consistent here. Two years ago, the government announced a switch to permanent DST, but then last year decided with almost no notice to readopt regular non-DST time for three months. The online time servers that set computer times didn’t even update for it, and if you googled “what time is it in Chile” it would give you the wrong time, so we’ve all had, at some point, to set our computer clocks to NYC time or Buenos Aires (Argentina) time to have them accurate.

            It makes running a telescope, which is incredibly time-dependent (and astronomers often don’t like to use UTC even though that would make way more sense) very challenging.

          • FAEN

            Did you already speak Spanish or did you have to learn it?

            Is it difficult to move there?

            How are they on GLBT equality? They have marriage correct?

          • vorpal 😼

            I took one course in Spanish at university as an elective when I was 19, but failed it (was going through a massive depression at the time and never went to class), so that didn’t really give me any real background.

            I speak French decently well, which helps a lot with Spanish since they have quite a bit in common. Spanish, though, is far more logical than French on the whole IMO: less weird exceptions in verb conjugation, almost no accents (except to indicate syllable emphasis, which is incredibly convenient), and the word genders are far more predictable.

            I’ve been here three years and my Spanish is still bad, but that’s the consequence of living on a diplomatic compound where everyone almost always speaks English and I have a stay-at-home hubby (can’t work here due to conditions of spousal visas) who runs most of the errands in town that provide the opportunity for Spanish practice. When I come to Santiago alone like I am here now, my Spanish skills and confidence ramp up significantly in a matter of days and I surprise myself at how easily I am able to think, speak, and understand.

            LGBT equality is weird here… in Santiago, which has a substantial proportion of the (fairly large) country’s population (around six million out of the 18 million that reside in the entire country), LGBT acceptance is quite high despite the very Catholic culture. Chileans are very comfortable in general with public displays of affection and it’s not uncommon to see an older couple, for example, sitting on a park bench and holding hands and kissing quite intimately. In Santiago, it’s hard to walk around without stumbling across younger gay guys holding hands and being affectionate in public, which is very refreshing, because a lot of the middle aged / older gay men are still very secretive. (Seeing “discreet” on Grindr, for example, is extremely common.)

            Other cities are playing catch-up. La Serena, where I live (about 400k people) is still a bit lagging on gay public displays of affection being accepted. Hubby and I used to be very affectionate in public in Hawaii, but here we are much more reserved.

            Same-sex marriage is this thing that is constantly on the verge of almost being here, but hasn’t quite made it yet. We keep getting promised it’s just around the corner. Hopefully it will be this year or next.

            Then again, Chile is still just climbing out of some pretty conservative ideas. Divorce has only been legal for a short time, and abortion is still illegal, although that keeps being contested and I don’t think it will be more than a decade before women have the right to choose.

          • FAEN

            Thanks for all the useful information!

          • vorpal 😼

            Oh! Forgot to answer: the ease in moving here depends on your situation. My organization made it quite simple in most aspects, but our HR is almost entirely composed of native Chileans, so sometimes they don’t appreciate / anticipate the culture shock that foreigners will experience. We have a great community of expats, though, that are more than happy to help you navigate that.

            Legally, though, Chile is not an easy place to move unless you have a job with an international organization sponsoring you. In that case, there are many benefits: we get limited diplomatic immunity and have the fancy diplomatic plates on our car, which makes the police never want to pull us over unless the circumstances are extreme, since the extra paperwork is a nightmare for them. They are also odd that they recognize same-sex marriages from other countries but as I mentioned, still don’t have it here technically. My partner was able to come under a spousal visa even though he technically isn’t really my spouse under current Chilean law.

            I actually found overall that the culture shock of moving here was less than the culture shock of moving to DC (where I lived for some time since my partner was there finishing university when we met), probably because there is less overt racism and societally induced segregation here.

          • FAEN

            Well I won’t be moving to Chile any time soon I’m afraid.

          • vorpal 😼

            For once, Donald Trump is quotable in echoing my emotional reaction to your comment:
            SAD!!!

          • FAEN

            Aww. You’re very sweet.

          • vorpal 😼

            (Sorry for the bombardment of replies. Damn red wine is to blame! Also, living in DC as a mostly Canadian-raised person was weird as it was very obvious that many people looked at me in the quaint “awww, bless his heart!” southern way. Here, being Canadian is viewed as favourable, as there is still a lot of underlying hostility towards the USA as a country due to the Pinochet era and Trump, even though Americans as individuals are not usually treated or seen negatively.)

          • FAEN

            No need to apologize matey.

            Living in DC as a Canadian must have been a little off but trust me you’re lucky you didn’t live in parts of the South as a Cannuck. Lordy the misinformation leaves you gape jawed. The way they speak Canada is the USSR. Not Russia, the USSR!

          • JWC

            Ok then the time here right now is 1911 NYC (and your time) wouuld be 2211. Correct?

          • vorpal 😼

            Actually, 23:22 right now! NYC is +3 from you, so it should be 22:22 (make a wish) and I am +4 from you.

            Just finishing off my wine, and then starting on my Ambien to head off to sleepy time!

          • JWC

            N joy doing a scotch waiting for Rachel

          • vorpal 😼

            Nice! Just this year, through some friends with excellent taste in aged scotch and other whiskies, I developed a huge appreciation for scotch. Before then, I thought whiskey was the abomination of alcohols and wouldn’t touch the stuff, sticking to tequila and vodka for hard liquor. (Here in Chile, on my own, I mostly drink red wine since it is fantastic and even the primo stuff is insanely cheap.)

            Say hi to Rachel for me and send my love! Keep a generous portion for yourself, though!

          • JWC

            Hugz and sleep well real name is John

          • vorpal 😼

            Nice to know more about you, John!

            Sebastian here!

          • JWC

            Hugs. Sleep well I will give Rachel your luv

          • Stubenville

            The humidity in large parts of Hawaii (offset by the usual trade winds) would make you one extra fuzzy kitty! =)

          • Nowhereman

            Hello–I’m in Southeast Alaska, and we are on the border of BC as well. I’m not too far from Haida Gwaii and Prince Rupert.

          • JWC

            I am a tad south 40 miles due west of Bellingham WA the Gulf Islands

      • Cuberly

        AAAAAAAAA! That is some serious nasty. Oy vey!

      • FAEN

        I can’t stand people like that. I know plenty of immigrants who speak English as a second language BETTER than some native speakers.

        • Adam King

          Better easily than that sputtering loon in the Oval Office.

          • FAEN

            Yep!

        • vorpal 😼

          The people who usually make such ridiculous, unjustified complaints are the ones with the poorest mastery of the one language that they know.

          My Spanish can be pretty atrocious and Chile is a hard place to learn Spanish since the slang and accent are so unique compared to most Spanish-speaking countries (I always liken Chilean Spanish to Scottish English).

          Thankfully, I’ve found that Chileans (most of who don’t speak English) are generally very patient and accommodating of me, and we make it work the majority of the time. Still, I get surprised when I say something as slowly and as clearly as I can manage at a pharmacy and am handed something completely different in product and quantity than what I asked for!

          For things like haircuts, due to limited vocabulary and misunderstandings, I keep a note on my cell phone of what I want and just show the hairdresser that along with a photo of me with freshly cut hair to avoid disasters.

          (That being said, I was of the mindset that my Spanish was truly abysmal until I went to Texas and Barcelona last year and understood and was understood by almost every Spanish speaking person I met.)

          • Mike__in_Houston

            “…the ones with the poorest mastery of the one language that they ‘know.'” Fixed it for you.

            Yeah, and let’s start with “demand I *am allowed to stay.” It’s “demand I be allowed,” snowflake. Subjunctive.

        • Todd20036

          Right? It’s like nails on a chalk board when a US born adult citizen speaks English worse than a 4 year old.

          • FAEN

            Agreed! Really frustrates me.

        • Steve Teeter

          Hm. I know someone who’s always going on about how the trouble is we have too many poor blacks and foreigners here. That she herself is black and an immigrant from Belize does not seem to register.

          • FAEN

            Jeebus πŸ€¦πŸ»β€β™‚οΈπŸ€¦πŸ»β€β™‚οΈπŸ€¦πŸ»β€β™‚οΈπŸ€¦πŸ»β€β™‚οΈπŸ€¦πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ!

      • Ninja0980

        One of the reasons I don’t use Facebook at all.

        • vorpal 😼

          I know lots of people here don’t use facebook, and I can absolutely understand why.

          That being said, I’m at the age (turning 40 in exactly three weeks) where if I didn’t use facebook, I’d miss out on a lot from my friends and family, such as pictures of my two lovely nieces and updates from old friends from high school and university that live far away. It’s been a great way to locate and reconnect with people with who I lost touch and regret allowing that to happen.

          My policy is to strictly post friends-only or to private communities (such as the very irreverent and horribly nasty Gay Atheists community), and to limit myself to replying to other people’s posts that are private or friends-only so my comments are never indexed by search engines.

          I also as a general rule only post things that I wouldn’t mind if they were publicly exposed for all the world to see.

          • FAEN

            I’m a little older than you. Have a big party and enjoy yourself. Honestly I don’t feel my age as I suspect lots of people don’t either. I still feel like I’m 27.

          • vorpal 😼

            I think that’s pretty typical. I’ve just accepted that 39 doesn’t feel physically or mentally much different than 25, but emotionally, sexually (for me, at least), and spiritually is a much better place to be.

          • zhera

            The 28th? I’m on the 23rd! We should have a party together!

          • vorpal 😼

            Agreed! I vote for a Trump shaped piΓ±ata to beat into oblivion full of yummy orange candy treats!

            I love the idea of northern hemisphere late September babies… you can just imagine that we may be the product of the combination of extremely cold weather and holiday alcohol consumption :-).

          • zhera

            Hehe. I was made during xmas season 9 months earlier. Winter, holiday, cozy indoors…

          • Stubenville

            Wait; that piΓ±ata isn’t filled with Cheetos? [pouts]

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Happy early bday wishes!

          • zhera

            Thanks!

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Aw. Vorpal ur turning 40!! Happy bday. Are u a virgo? My mom and my best friend are virgos.
            Gosh and ur still a baby! I turned 50 in april Thats when the shit hits the fan. Ugh.

          • vorpal 😼

            Thanks for the early birthday wishes :-).

            I keep telling hubby that 40 is by all standardized and official sources the “new laptop and rowing machine birthday”, so that’s what I’m going to treat myself to this year!

            LOL I am eager to be getting out of my 30s. I enjoyed them, but had lots of very serious issues with Crohn’s. I’m sick now and on short term disability, but will be starting a new medication at the end of the month that should heal me, knock me back into remission, and let me get back to everyday life and work.

            I’m actually a Libra, but whenever I read my astrological sign, I am actually about as un-Libra like as you can get: I am the anti-Libra!

          • Butch

            Partner was diagnosed with Crohn’s in 1995; it’s no fun, but with some experimenting you’ll get it under control. Promise.

          • vorpal 😼

            Sorry that your partner has to deal with it. It’s a nasty disease! Is his Crohn’s well controlled now?

            I was completely unable to function from 2007 – 2010, despite massive doses of all kinds of meds including pain meds and blood transfusions every two weeks: I was so sick and in such huge amounts of pain that I attempted euthanasia at one point and almost succeeded. Surgery fixed me right up, though, and knocked me into remission until this year when I’ve started to have some flare up issues again.

            Things have already started to improve dramatically, and with the new upcoming meds, I’m hopeful that they’ll do so at an even faster pace soon!

          • Rambie

            40?! You’re still a kitten Vorpal. Happy birthday!

          • Steve Teeter

            Happy birthday! I hang out with guys who call me the merest child because I’m only 60.

          • vorpal 😼

            Thanks so much, Rambie!
            =kitten mew=

      • Bj Lincoln

        My entire family in Ohio is like your neighbor and they tell all kinds of ‘jokes’ like that. I got so sick of it i finally told them i was not attending any more family events. It was such a relief to move 400 miles away.

        • vorpal 😼

          Ugh. I feel for you. It’s much harder when it’s family that’s engaging in horrible and malicious displays of ignorance. πŸ™

    • Rick

      These are the same sort of hideous creatures who say “Theenk yew!”

    • Ninja0980

      What a (*#)(@.

      • Cuberly

        Yep. πŸ™

    • FAEN

      It isn’t just about DACA-it’s about immigration and the broken system in general.

      • Cuberly

        You’re 100% correct.

        And we’re being held hostage by……without any form of hyperbole…f’n nazis disguised as an American political party.

        Today’s GOP!

        • FAEN

          Fucking Nazi’s is spot on.

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      But, there’s so many to choose from.

  • Reality.Bites

    Doesn’t Matt Drudge live in south Florida?

    • Cuberly

      I think so, didn’t he sell his AZ mansion a few years ago?

      • safari

        To his boyfriend?

        • Cuberly

          lol….? no idea….

          Oh wait, that rings a bell. Or was that his FL mansion he sold to his boy toy?

      • Reality.Bites

        I didn’t know he had one. Anyway, it would be a shame if it was totally destroyed while the nearby houses were untouched.

    • Homo Erectus

      Yes. So does Hannity and Limbaugh. Irma might not be all bad.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Blake J Butler

    Please almighty flying spaghetti monster, show me your powerful appendages and spare most of the state of Florida except for the Mar a Lago resort.

    it is a disgusting building and riddled with stains we dare not question and dare not expose to a poor innocent blacklight. And home to many of a crimes of this legion of doom administration.

    In meatballs i pray,

    Ramen.

    Seriously though get your ass to shelter or out of the path of Irma.

    • Hue-Man

      “Feed the sinkholes!”

  • Adam Schmidt

    I live just outside of Atlanta and am in shock that I’m going to be preparing for a category 1 hurricane… HERE!?

    • safari

      …is that not a thing? I live in Michigan. We get glaciers.

      • Adam Schmidt

        We get the remnants of a hurricane now and then… but by the time it gets this far inland they’re usually down to a tropical depression with sustained winds below 35 mph. This one is looking to get here with sustained winds above 75 mph. I’ve lived here 25 years and I’ve never seen this.

        • Tomcat

          Hurricanes inland are usually not as rough as winter storms.

          • safari

            Blizzards are now rare in mid-Michigan (lower). Ice storms, though have increased in my adult life.

          • fuzzybits

            Not really a winter person but I’d rather have some snow instead of the ice.

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            Having lived in Minnesota for many years (Socal now), snow and ice seem to go together.

          • OdieDenCO

            Colorado has chinook winds that regularly hit cat 1 speeds. Short term gusts but enough to issues small dog warnings.

        • Zeldacat

          I lived in Augusta for a few years, in the early 00’s, and I saw a tropical system or two but nothing near an actual hurricane. YIKES.

      • Tomcat

        They can sneak up on you if you don’t pay attention.

      • Sporkfighter

        …but at least the ground itself doesn’t knock you on your ass!

      • JCF

        The remnants of Hurricane Ike in 2008 VERY nearly flooded my first-floor apartment in Michigan.

    • fuzzybits

      I have a friend who lives in Brunswick. I think they have to leave by tomorrow.

      • johncAtl

        If they haven’t made plans yet their options are limited. There are no hotels to be found in metro Atlanta.

    • johncAtl

      It’s happened here before – 20+ years ago. Most of the problems were due to how dense Atlanta is with trees. Parts of Buckhead didn’t have power for two weeks.

  • fuzzybits

    Heard about this on NPR tonight. Every fucking day it’s something else! http://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-flock-to-trump-properties-to-give-birth-to-us-citizens

    • Tomcat

      Old news now.

  • TampaZeke

    Things are getting really scary for all of Florida!

    • fuzzybits

      Be safe!

    • SoCalGal20

      Stay safe! I have relatives in Tampa, too. I hope Tampa weathers the storm ok.

      • Tomcat

        It usually does.

      • Snarky

        Hope they are okay through this. My family fled Miami yesterday.

      • Zeldacat

        As do I. My parents are there. Luckily my stepdad has lots of experience with typhoons in the Pacific, but I’m still scared.

    • vorpal 😼

      Be safe and stay prepared and well informed, my Floridian friends!
      =big kitty hugs from South America=

      • JWC

        anyone heard from Tampadink

        • vorpal 😼

          I was actually wondering about him yesterday, and thinking that I hadn’t noticed his name in the comments for awhile.

          Then again, I’m not very observant and haven’t been as active on here, so it’s entirely possible that I just missed his posts.

          We JMGers need to look out for each other, especially given the political climate in many parts of the world right now!

          • safari

            I must say I get concerned about you if I don’t see your posts over weeks as well.

          • LesbianTippingHabits


            I have to ride out the storm in Hyde Park in Tampa.

            As the hurricane approaches, I am taking care to tip generously for good service at every opportunity.

            Remember, tips are good karma. And karma never lies,

            And only the wait staff knows for sure. Thank you.

          • safari

            And though I do feel exposed when the card reader asks me for a pick-up tip, I do tip 20% because they work for it even if it isn’t just for a table; they have earned it. (Though I wish they were paid more by default and didn’t depend upon a customer prompt to know their wages.)

          • LesbianTippingHabits


            Yes, pick-up tips of more than a dollar or so is a bit much.
            There isn’t much “good service” to recognize by tipping generously in such a situation. But I try to leave something.

            Seriously, tipping generously for good service, and overtipping breakfast waitresses [start everyone’s day with a smile] really works to spread good karma throughout the community.

            Mutual positive energy grows exponentially. Thank you.

          • safari

            To be honest I want to tip for a living wage rather than service as I can do so. I wish it weren’t so, but I don’t trust hours and pay to make service jobs stable.

          • safari

            (Not so for greed; just because I want tips to be meaningful for good service rather than fear for those who have served me.)

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            That’s a good point. Thanks for sharing.

          • safari

            Never stop.

          • TampaZeke

            Hyde Park is one of the last places in Tampa you want to be in a Hurricane. Please try to move to higher ground if at all possible.

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            Thank you. I just spoke with a neighbor who shared her experiences. I have a friend in Carrollwood whose hospitality I will accept. Thank you again.

          • TampaZeke

            So glad to hear that. Take care of yourself. It’s gonna get really ugly.

          • vorpal 😼

            Awwww… muchas gracias, safari! That means a lot to know that you’re thinking of me! =mega happy purrs and belly rolls=

            This has been a hell of a year for me on so many levels, with stress and health and interpersonal issues and the general gloominess of politics, which has made me take a couple time outs… but things are starting to hugely look up on most fronts for me, so you’ll all be stuck putting up with me with much more regularity! Stock up on booze or whatever else you will need to do so! 😸

            You are one of my favourite posters here… I always love reading your comments and appreciate the many upvotes you’ve given me! Thanks for being so awesome!

          • FAEN

            I speak for a lot here-always enjoy your insightful comments and you make me smile which I always appreciate.

          • vorpal 😼

            =massive grins=
            Thanks, FAEN! That is really sweet of you to say, and I also really am very grateful for your comments and upvotes! Knowing that I can bring a smile into your day makes me very happy indeed!

            I really love my time here and value the friendships I have made: this is my favourite place on the internet. Funny enough, the way I discovered this place was being a menace on that oozing pustule of an evangelical Christian website, BarbWire! I met a JMG poster there that introduced me to this place, and I am so glad that I found it. It is the first place I go in the morning and usually the last before I head to bed at night.

            I’m off to sleep here as it’s late here, but I will go to bed with a lot of joy at how wonderful this website and the fellow posters like you are! Sharing our social progress and personal growth and commiserating over our hardships has really made this place special for me.

          • FAEN

            You are very welcome Vorpal. And I feel the same way about JMG and our little community.

            Sleep well my friend 😊.

          • JWC

            we speak daily he has been in Talahassee house/pet sitting and was busy with relatives Sometime yesterday he was to drive vack to Tampa to pick up his BF and the dog back to TALThey are either on the road TPA or TAL

        • safari

          I can say in the last two weeks, I believe yes.

          • JWC

            ya spoke to him about 48 hours ago

          • FAEN

            Odd question-does discus have a PM feature?

          • JWC

            PM feature???

          • FAEN

            Private Message.

          • JWC

            Don’t think so

        • NowAnAgnostic

          I believe I saw a post from him further down the thread (newest to oldest).

        • johncAtl

          He’s in Tallahassee, but as of a day or so ago his hubby is still in Tampa.

          • Tulle Christensen

            If the path stays as it is now, Tampa will be not too bad and Tallahassee will be one of the best places in Florida to be

          • Randy Left Brooklyn

            Ask him to post in the days following when the storm lands so we know he is OK. Ask him to check in on the hurricane posts.

          • JWC

            I know that he was to drive to Tampa yesterday and back today I can fully understand congestion with traffic and what not

    • Snarky

      Be safe, I hope you and yours are okay through this!

    • FAEN

      Be safe Z. And please let us know you’re ok the minute you can.

    • JCF

      {{{TZ}}}

  • SoCalGal20

    Rep. Eric Swalwell is on All In right now and he just said that he and Rs are working together to get Americans stranded in the Caribbean out of there.

  • SoCalGal20

    The only thing Facebook is trying to protect their ass. This is bullshit.

    https://twitter.com/Isikoff/status/905938608644874249

    • safari

      It’d upset their products.

    • Sam_Handwich

      i wish facebook would just explode and die

    • Tomcat

      I bet they released them to Mueller.

    • JWC

      Facebook is complicant and should be supoenaed

    • Halou

      I wasn’t aware that hostile foreign governments had privacy rights. Much less seeing this said by the company that gleefully sells user data to anyone and everyone with a dollar to throw away.

  • Duh-David

    WaPo interviewed drag Queens in Key West who are going to chance it on the island.

    “At the LGBTQ watering hole 801 Bourbon Bar, a trio of drag queens tried to entice the few people on the street to check out their cabaret β€œHurricane Survivors” show. Jade Starr, a 33-year-old performer in a leopard print leotard, said she and her friends planned to ride out the storm, should it hit Key West.”

    • Tomcat

      The keys at least is on the “softer side of the storm” if there is one.

    • SoCalGal20

      Yikes!!!!

  • Karl Dubhe

    O/T Viva Vincente! Fox for El Presedente!

    https://youtu.be/-ukv9v7IGZw

    • SoCalGal20

      This is THE BEST!!

      • Karl Dubhe

        Sponsored by Donald Trump’s father who is looking up in shame from Hell. πŸ™‚

        I liked that bit.

        • SoCalGal20

          Mt Rushmore of shitty presidents was one of mine. Also Taco Trucks on Every Corner!

    • Treant

      “PEE TAPE”

      • whollyfool

        Cofefe mug lol

    • Zeldacat

      I think I’ve said before I am shamefully ignorant of Mexican politics, but based on his hatred for the shitgibbon alone, I’d vote for him if I could.

      • Natty Enquirer

        I wonder if Obama haters thought the same thing when they voted for Trump.

        • Zeldacat

          I MIGHT have been exaggerating just because of how funny that video was, you know.. But he can keep making fun of Trump for as long as it’s relevant and I will greatly enjoy it.

      • Karl Dubhe

        He’d not really be a ‘good’ president from ‘our’ POV, not really. but as a poke in Trump’s eye; the man’ll do nicely.

        • Tomcat

          The drug cartels thought he was a good president.

      • whollyfool

        He certainly has been an enjoyable troll for Trump.

  • ultragreen

    People living in Florida better get used to this kind of weather. Because it’s going to become increasingly common in future. If they don’t like it, then they shouldn’t have voted from Trump.

    • Tomcat

      And the money for rebuilding is going to dry up real fast.

      • JWC

        you know if Mar a Lago gets damaged what that will mean

        • Tomcat

          Doubling the national debt?

    • safari

      You worry too much. In the long term there will be no Florida.

      • Tomcat

        It will be a great dive site.

        • ultragreen

          Kind of like the USA-version of the lost continent, Atlantis.

      • ultragreen

        Yes, I know. Who knows, perhaps more Floridians will take global warming seriously as a result of Hurricane Irma?

        • fuzzybits

          It’s going to have to take more than just Floridians being concerned and doing something about it.

        • safari

          When retirement communities care about the environmental world they are leaving behind I just may switch to being an optimist.

          • Tomcat

            All the retirees left for Arizona long time ago.

          • safari

            Once upon a time I read about the power plant used to push water into the desert. I ruled out Arizona that day.

          • safari

            (That and driving to LA from Michigan and seeing Vegas.)

          • safari

            Though I did threaten to build a nursing-home-town nearby with mandatory Victorian clothing for lols when I was younger

          • Joe in PA

            Ah, Vegas is in Nevada. But, it’s all good, all those states look alike to me too.

            πŸ™‚

          • Joe in PA

            I ruled out AZ when I saw Jan Brewer. πŸ™

          • Adam King

            Arizona’s a hot desert. No thanks.

        • Homo Erectus

          Riiiight, just like Texans are gonna take global warming seriously now.

      • johncAtl

        I was born and grew up in Florida, but I’m okay with it not being there.

        • safari

          ^Flordia^Michigan

          • safari

            (At least I’m trying to convince myself.)

      • Adam King

        I’m hoping some of it will remain, uninhabitable by humans but a rich preserve for tropical wildlife.

  • ultragreen

    O/T: A Federal appeals court has ruled 3-0 against Trump’s ban on Muslim refugees, including an attempt to exclude grandparents and other relatives of refugees.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/appeals-court-rejects-trumps-travel-ban-in-3-0-ruling/

    • Tomcat

      Shouldn’t that have been over already? It was only suppose to be for a short time.

      • johncAtl

        That’s what I keep saying about Trump’s presidency.

      • ultragreen

        I would not take Trump’s promises (or Jeff Session’s, for that matter) very seriously when he makes the claim that they are going to take away someone’s rights for only a short time.

        • Tomcat

          i am not. that is what they told the courts and courts do take words for facts.

  • Sam_Handwich

    ot

    well this is intense and delicious

    https://twitter.com/C2Mhud/status/905781844167323648

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Where did this happen?

      • Lazycrockett

        According to the words on the back right wall
        Dearborn Mi.

      • Sam_Handwich

        the guy who posted it says he found it on a website that was all in Farsi

        not sure about the date, etc. but it sure seems like it probably happened

    • Tomcat

      Well what the fuck do people expect? The cops did not make the law and they STILL have to defend themselves. Don’t you feel uncomfortable around people with guns? I do.

      • Tomcat

        And considering the number of militia types in Michigan these cops acted the best they could under the circumstances.
        And by the way it is not unusual for cops to ask that they be the only ones armed until they know what is going on. This is normal practice with game wardens and has been for years and those hunters have a legal right to have the guns also.

    • Joe in PA

      hmmm, not sure who @C2Mhud is but I’m sure not LMFAO…that is fucking awful. For everyone involved. JFC is this what we’ve become?

      • Adam King

        Yes, this is what passes for our society now. Chaos and threat, while the wealthy collect the money.

    • Snarky

      Madness. Also O/T but it goes with the above, an Ohio cop shot a news photographer as he was taking his camera out of his Jeep to get photos of a traffic stop. The cop knows the photographer, so he blasted off a couple rounds then immediately ran over to “comfort” the guy and tell him “you pulled it out like a gun.” What next? “He pulled those bags of groceries out like a gun”?
      https://petapixel.com/2017/09/07/heres-body-camera-footage-cop-shooting-photographer/

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ltt2Yz2dks

    • DaddyRay

      That idiot should have been shot

  • fuzzybits
    • Tomcat

      Good for them. Let him have space when no one is there.

  • coram nobis
  • SoCalGal20

    So. Equifax executives sold some of their stock after the breach.

    https://twitter.com/MadiLAlexander/status/905924917576785920

    • fuzzybits

      Shady friggin companies.

      • Adam King

        Our masters and overlords.

    • coram nobis

      Hello? Hello? SEC?

    • Tomcat

      Can you say insider trading, Mueller we need you again.

    • Tomcat

      They need to provide free credit protection to everyone of the names leaked.

    • safari

      When the breach was announced, I marveled that the (frozen) stock price was up.

    • safari
      • another_steve

        I’ve loved Jeremy Irons ever since 1981’s “Brideshead Revisited.”

        • FAEN

          He’s a complete nut job when it comes to marriage equality. Lost a lot of respect for him. His son Max on the other hand is cute and not nutty.

          • another_steve

            Wow. I just googled. Was not at all aware of that.

            How sad for him and his legacy.

          • FAEN

            Yep-I was so gobsmacked when I heard him talk about marriage equality in that fashion.

    • Cuberly

      But but the market and free enterprise are self correcting and um uh….ner do wells risk loosing market share if they….uh….well….uh….well, uh, monopolies have added responsibility to act responsibly during crisis situa…tions….uh…..

      I got nuthin.

    • MikeBx2

      ICYMI and FWIW, they are offering free protection and monitoring. I already have it through a couple of my credit cards.
      https://www.equifaxsecurity2017.com/

      • Natty Enquirer

        I hope that won’t expose you to even more hacking. The more systems, the more opportunities.

    • johncAtl

      I saw that on the Guardian about an hour ago. If Trump hasn’t gutted it the SEC needs to put some people in prison.

    • coram nobis

      Children, let us turn to the SEC discussion of insider trading. Rule 10b-5 can be fun reading!

      https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answersinsiderhtm.html

      Wikipedia has more.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insider_trading

    • JCF

      Bastards.

  • Homo Erectus
    • another_steve

      It’s a balancing act. Weigh the hype accordingly. Television reporting of these events tends, sometimes, to focus on worst case scenarios.

      The reason?

      Fear and anxiety keeps people watching through the next round of Cialis and reverse mortgage commercials.

      • Tomcat

        That and if you don’t scare the living shit out of them they get all macho and say I am going to stay. I am tough.

        • Homo Erectus

          All hurricanes – no matter where they make landfall, pass through North Carolina.

          • Tomcat

            What????? Try again.

      • Homo Erectus

        Once a year Zephyrhills Water and Home Depot join forces and have a huge sale-a-thon. It’s also the only time of the year you’ll see generators advertised during the news programs.

    • johncAtl

      Bullshit it’s not scary. I grew up living about a quarter mile from the ocean in Florida. I was in the eye of a cat 4 hurricane that did massive damage not related to storm surge. No power for two weeks. This is a very dangerous storm.

      • Tomcat

        Generators are alright if set high enough not to be under water and you have a large propane tank that does not go under also.
        Small generators run out of gas too fast to be much good.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Yeah, it doesn’t look like Florida can avoid this now, no matter which model you look at.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4112ccfc39debaf60b14fa72771122408884afb19f6e34effc4b3c4a76926fc8.png

    • Hank

      No matter how Irma goes, it is 400 miles in diameter. The FL peninsula is only 160 miles at its widest. I am keeping my fingers crossed, that the eye skirts east @ 25 miles from the east coast, like Matthew did last year. FTL had minimal damage last year from it.

    • Tomcat

      Deadliest Hurricanes in History, takes a while to see all of them so save for later.
      http://postpopular.com/the-deadliest-hurricanes-in-u-s-history/

  • bkmn

    And in a few days Trump will be bragging about how big his hurricanes were

  • bkmn

    O/T – seeing reports now that FB underreported the amount of Russian money for targeted ads – now up to $150K (and I expect that number will continue to rise) with corrected numbers after Congressional testimony.

    https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-ties-more-than-5000-political-ads-to-bogus-russian-accounts/

  • Alternative Facts

    Nobody panic! Cindy Jacob’s daughter is going to rebuke the storm in the name of Jesus, and it will stop.
    Shes done it before, to a tornado, look it up! πŸ˜‚

    Edit: here’s the link
    https://youtu.be/hBEdXMICZCQ

    • Cuberly

      Yep, just like when she prayed for more spaghetti to feed her kiddies friends and for the tires on her car to last for years and years! PRAISE!

      • Adam King

        God’s her obedient little bitch.

        • Cuberly

          Ignoring starving infants in third world countries, sending a mega-hurricane to frail small islands in the Atlantic, or giving a christianist ultra-tough tires for her car. PRAISE!

    • Tomcat

      Fuck her and her white horse.

    • OdieDenCO

      the delusions of grandeur in these people is astounding.

      • another_steve

        Dollar bills, hon. Dollar bills.

        They announce their powers, people send in their $5 and $10 bills.

      • Friday

        And how they always make it sound malicious, even more so. πŸ™‚

  • Cuberly

    OT: Hmmm, how do you set up a fall-guy when you’re the one using that campaign funds credit card like it’s lottery winnings? Or, maybe this is just an interesting development.

    https://twitter.com/LPDah/status/905965846589186048

    • bkmn

      The fish rots from the head, so I won’t be surprised if Hunter has some laundry aired soon too

      • Cuberly

        Oh Hunter is dirty, he’s been caught doing this in the past, alas he seems to not GET IT.

        Which of course is good for us.

  • BeaverTales

    This time the liberal part of FL will get hammered…the Fundies will love it…especially if the survivors leave

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Seems like the entire state is gonna get pounded.

      • Daveed_WOW

        Leave my love life out of this.

  • SoCalGal20
    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Gee, thanks for that bit of news …

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      That’s why more people need to get not only solar panels but also some sort of storage system for the energy if/when there’s blackouts.

    • another_steve

      Well, anyone who hasn’t blocked me and who’s been reading my dreck in these comment threads knows that for years I’ve been bitchin’ and moanin’ about the possibility of the power grids being hacked.

      No electricity. No ATMS. No nothing.

      Darkness.

      • Tomcat

        Easier to get some good sleep.

      • Silver Badger

        Why would anyone block you?

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          I think some people are not crazy about the Jared obsession.

          • Silver Badger

            That’s just Steve being Steve. No reason to block him. What snowflakes some people are.

          • another_steve

            To which I say: Fuck you, such people.

          • billbear1961

            Some people can’t take a joke.

      • billbear1961

        And the rest is silence.

      • safari

        Mental health improves by leaps and bounds providing no one dehydrates, freezes, overheats, or starves.

        • another_steve

          You know what, safari, I think that’s a very astute observation. Seriously.

          A return to our pre-industrial, pre-computerized, pre-hyper-informed being might very well be the saving grace of our species.

    • johncAtl

      Maybe I’ll still have power. The Southern Company (GA Power, AL Power, MS Power, etc.) operates their 150+ plants from Birmingham via their own wireless network.

      But environmentally they are one of the worst utility companies in the world. I wouldn’t shed a tear if they failed

  • worstcultever

    Just so much destruction everywhere – look at the still-ongoing Harvey catastrophe, and now what Irma’s already done to those tiny vulnerable islands, and poised to wreak so much more in her nerve-wrackingly slow march – gods the amount of stress and fear and human displacement going on (oh, also all the animals) – just, GAH

    And Jose chugging up right behind Irma! And that other one over in the gulf!

    Running out of words to say. But my soul is very churned up over this shit.

    Btw I’ve noticed at least one other JMGer screen-shotting the β€œearth” site – I’ve loved this thing for years, esp the windspeed view that is so zen, like a cross between β€œstarry night” and a lava lamp – but there’s lots of other things there to explore

    https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-61.29,14.13,1112/loc=-61.192,18.014

    In conclusion, GAAAAAAAAH

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      And don’t forget the fires out west …

      • worstcultever

        yeah that too GAAAAAH

      • Snarkaholic

        And in Canada.

    • johncAtl

      Jose and Katia don’t pose any threat to the US, but it’s a bad omen to have three hurricanes so close together.

    • another_steve

      I want scientists – reputable scientists – to weigh in and tell us whether what we’re observing is in part a result of global warming. If it is, we need to get angry and we need to get moving.

      If it’s not, then it’s the Way of Things. “The Dao.”

      The Way of Things – perfect in every aspect.

    • djcoastermark

      We had not heard of this site. Wow, is it beautiful looking at it. Hubs and I are enthralled.

  • djcoastermark

    Reality is starting to set in. Our St Pete/Clearwater Intl Airport is closing to all air traffic beginning at 11 am tomorrow. We are waiting for the next update at 11 tonight to figure out what or where in the heck we are going or doing. Yikes , no matter what, it is very stressful. Hubs is starting to feel sick because of it all. I have to be the calming one here. I’m up for it. Love conquers all.

    • Hank

      Today, my anxiety about staying in FTL, kicked in. After talking to a few friends, I felt better. Miami and FTL Airports cannot get enough crews to fly planes, so they have been cancelling flights. 30 – 40 % of the gas stations in South FL are out of gas. Just do your best to stay safe.

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        Head for Howie-in-the-Hills! Elevation 121 ft!

    • SoCalGal20

      Take care!

      • Silver Badger

        Take extra care and let us know how you and yours are doing. Keep us posted please.

    • billbear1961

      Good luck, sweetie!

    • Ross

      I graduated St. Pete High in 1975

    • You should be getting a category 1 in the Tampa/St. Pete area according to all the models I have seen tonight. The two major models are converging on a landfall around Miami moving up the coast. I am in Palm Beach County near the coast (but not right on it) — we are either getting a 3 or 4. Saying that things could easily change and you need to stay glued to the National Hurricane Center — Irma could decide to go up the West Coast as a category 3 or do something erratic.

      • crewman

        Stay safe! Are you staying there? Do you have supplies?

        • Yes I am staying here. Supplies — I have water and I baked a Splenda chocolate cake with walnuts, have Dr. Atkins Lemon Bars (I hate eating sugar), lots of lanterns and batteries, and a wind up solar radio that can also charge my cellphone. My car is filled up with gas and I am confident my house can withstand a category 3. Higher than than I don’t know but I will be in my bathroom finding out. I bought these freeze-dried lasagna self-heating things after Hurricane Wilma but I threw them out last year , I did not believe the 2050 expiration date.

      • djcoastermark

        Yeah, waiting for the 11 pm report to come out. Hoping for some good news so we can get a good nights sleep even though we know it will change many times in the next few days.

    • crewman

      I can imagine how nerve racking it is! Take care of each other.

  • SoCalGal20

    Rachel’s going to have Hillary on her show next Thursday!

    • Snarky

      Let the book tour begin!

    • another_steve

      Girl unleashed.

      I want to see girl unleashed.

    • worstcultever

      The thing about Hillary that’s hard for me to grok – how could she not have realized that the nation had shifted to pure Idiocracy, except in retrospect?

      • Adam King

        She won the popular vote. Nothing pure about it.

        • worstcultever

          Absolutely she won. Probably the electoral too. And I love and respect her to pieces. But here we are. If utter dogshit like Trump can become president, maybe it’s time for dems to pay more attention to dogshittery and attacking it on its own level.

        • billbear1961

          Democrats don’t mention that NEARLY often enough, to remind people Dump has NO mandate to do ANYTHING extreme.

        • billbear1961

          And she won it BIG TIME!

          • Ross

            …and by more votes than any white man in history.

    • JCF

      Meanwhile Sander’s going to be on Colbert tonight. I don’t know if I can bring myself to watch…

  • Michael R
    • Sam_Handwich

      good doggie

    • Adam King

      Hoppy=happy.

    • johncAtl

      Is he/she yours?

      • billbear1961

        Yes, and she’s a she.

        πŸ™‚

    • SoCalGal20

      Cutie!

  • safari

    Check for northern lights tonight. Shit may be going down.
    http://spaceweather.com

    • johncAtl

      Damn. My nighttime view includes about three stars and planes approaching and departing from ATL.

    • Tomcat

      How far south are they expecting them, I once saw them in Charleston SC.

      • Natty Enquirer
        • Tomcat

          That is so far up north I would get a nose bleed.

          • Natty Enquirer

            The Lights are spectacular in Norway according to reports.

          • Tomcat

            But they get them all the time. I was hoping the south would get a peek this time.

          • Natty Enquirer

            It takes a HUGE disturbance to push the aurorae much further south. Like a centenary event. This is only a decadal event.

          • safari

            I remember such events for lower mid-Michigan in the late 80s and late 90s and early ’00s.

          • Tomcat

            I saw the aurora off Charleston SC in the early 1970’s at sea in Navy. They said it was very rare to see them that far south.

          • Friday

            I saw some pretty impressive aurora in Madison, (Err, Wisconsin, since someone mentioned Atlanta) sometime around when ‘Swiftboating’ entered the common lexicon. πŸ™‚

          • Friday

            Word is they’ve actually spotted aurora as far south as Arkansas this time.

          • safari

            Nah. I’ve seen them three times in central Michigan when I wasn’t even looking for them.

          • Tomcat

            I guess I will just watch the bugs and bats on my security cameras.

          • billbear1961

            Southerner!

          • Tomcat

            Tennessee!

          • billbear1961

            DEEP southerner!

        • safari

          Old-ish data.

    • kareemachan

      All we’re seeing here (PNW) is hazy weird light from forest fires but COOL blood-red moon.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Don’t forget the Lake Wales Ridge. One of the highest points in Florida at 295 ft above sea level. Doable from Fort Lauderdale.

    • Tomcat

      As long as the storm does not stall most of Florida is high enough to be safe haven. Assuming you don’t get tornadoes also.

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        Might as well go high.

        • Silver Badger

          Damn straight. Viva Colorado!

          • Johnny Wyeknot

            I see what you did

        • I don’t know about “going high”. Listening to this on Magic Mushrooms hiding out in my bathroom might be a bit much. https://youtu.be/unV5KcSrY-I

    • Do not get in your car right now– you could not make it to Lake Wales from Fort Lauderdale with the traffic according to the news reports. In South Florida from Key West – Fort Pierce on the Atlantic Coast, they know who is vulnerable to the storm surge. Here, in Palm Beach County it is basically anyone living east of Route 1- and others living on inlets. They know who they are and have been told to get the hell out (and yes, Mar-a- Lago will most likely be flooded or badly hit but he has overvalued insurance —you can bet). The severe risk right now is flying glass in tall buildings (all those gorgeous condos on the waterfront are nightmares in the making) and building collapse in older structures. Although 140 mph with 170 mph gusts (a category 4) sound horrible the wind is higher 20 stories up. The problem now in Florida is that there are just about 20 million people living here– and 19 million of them plus another three million over the border in Georgia and perhaps South Carolina are going to be hit by massive hurricane force winds and storm surges. We could be looking at 200 billion plus in damages. I think this is going to be the costliest natural disaster of all time. I expect to be out of power for over three weeks here in Palm Beach County, we lost power for more than two weeks after Hurricane Wilma 12 years ago and this seems worst. I just hope my house stays together.

      • djcoastermark

        Hoping the best for you and all the rest of us here in Florida.

        • My mom — who will be riding out the “cane” in her senior facility in Boynton Beach (which is the new ultimate “Golden Girls” place in 2017) just called me and put me on a “home perm search mission” with a shopping list before I come over there tomorrow with some last minute supplies. I am not joking. I have to look in stores for home perm supplies for her tomorrow because I guess she does not think she can get a decent silver rinse after Irma so she looks nice for her boyfriend. I tried to get out of it but was not able to– too much guilt. My life is sick. I should be on the new Will and Grace as Jack’s gay Florida friend who lives in Florida near his retired New York City schoolteacher mother. It would be a riot. The Hurricane Irma episode.

          • djcoastermark

            Thanks for the laugh. Though I suspect one would color their hair, just in case, so they would have a good looking corpse. I know I am cutting my hair and trimming my beard tomorrow………

          • Her- Darling, can you buy me a new hair home curling set before you come over — they come with two curling irons and some curling rolls.
            Me – You have to be joking right?
            Her – No. But Walmart will have them. You will be the only one in there looking for a home perm set tomorrow, don’t worry!

          • fuzzybits

            Tell her they still sell scarfs. πŸ˜€

          • djcoastermark

            Moms, gotta love ’em. too funny.

      • SoCalGal20

        Please take care!

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        Many more live there now than in the 1950s when I was growing up there … and we thought it was bad then!

  • Blake J Butler
    • Sam_Handwich

      might be a winnable seat for dems

      • Joe in PA

        Oh please, oh please. I never really thought of the 15th to be all that “winnable” but who knows…the district spans 5, count em, 5 counties. I don’t know what the mileage is, but it is a long way from one end to the other. But I suppose, compared to other PA districts is relatively non-gerrymandered. I’m thinking the 6th (mine) might be in play as well. Costello has been pretty “moderate” so he’s pissed off a lot of the crazies. Maybe that will be enough for them to sit this one out.

        • Ninja0980

          There have been several Republicans who have come out against gerrymandering in the case going to SCOTUS.
          I believe the frustration about having to worry about the crazies is the reason why.

          • Joe in PA

            Obviously they aren’t in a ‘safe’ district.

            It is all so fucked up. We met with out PA rep two weeks ago (republican), to talk about it…there are bills in the PA house and senate. He initially said he was for changing the current system (I have an email where he said it!), now he’s changing his tune. The little weasel is gonna find out soon enough though…we have a Democrat controlled PA Supreme Court this time around and it is NOT gonna side with this gerrymandered-for-the-republicans situation and will gerrymander it for the democrats. Still fucked up, but he will be out of office. Oy. I’ll be dead, or not living in PA before this gets solved.

          • Ninja0980

            Believe it or not, we have gerrymandering here in NY too.
            One of the deals Cuomo made with Republicans when drawing the maps in order to get something he wanted.
            It helped get rid of our crazy teabagger Rep but made it so others could remain.. and it wasn’t worth it, especially since our district was trending Blue anyway.

    • Tomcat

      Are they starting to bail now that the shit has hit the fan?

    • SoCalGal20

      I saw a tweet earlier that said so far 3 Rs that voted against AHCA are now not running for re-election. Hopefully some of those seats have a good chance of being Dem pickups.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Hopefully. It depends on where they are located.

      • Ninja0980

        A couple of them are, this being one of them.

  • Tomcat

    Going to post this one last time so everyone that wants can see it.
    It takes a while to see all of them so save for later. or open in new window.
    http://postpopular.com/the-deadliest-hurricanes-in-u-s-history/

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: Trump seriously blanked out in this video clip Seth Myers is talking about. Dear Lord, it’s like Sarah Palin hit with Alzheimer’s.

    https://youtu.be/6f4khpGnvcY?t=5m33s

    • billbear1961

      But let’s keep pretending nothing’s wrong with his faculties, right, valiant “news” media seekers-after-truth?

      • Snarky

        Any doctor who diagnoses someone without examining them is a doctor I would not trust. Any member of the news media who thinks they’re a doctor, and diagnoses someone from watching a tape, is not a member of the news media I would trust.

        The media needs to report those things they can prove, or they become Fox, Breitbart, etc.

        Edit: I just watched the clip and he said “unite” the red tape, rather than what was obviously on the teleprompter, which would have been “untie” the red tape, then he had to double down on his flub. He’s so awful, he can’t even read simple words.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          I still think the guy needs an exam by a legitimate doctor based on his behavior, though.

          • djcoastermark

            Is coroner legitimate enough ?

        • worstcultever

          If any other president did/said 1,000th of his bizarre daily crazy, every institution of this country would be going apeshit until he was removed. I cannot believe anyone is still giving this creature from hell any benefit of any doubt, as if we still live in the comfortable rational reality we’ve always known. We just sit and stroke our chins and watch, as this deeply sick monster destroys us.

          • billbear1961

            ^^THIS!!^^

            It is such an obvious indication the whole system is ROTTEN to the fucking CORE!!

            But there are no massive and relentless protests to BRING IT TO AN END.

            The people of this nation have lost their way.

            This nation is CURSED.

            It’s a MADHOUSE.

        • billbear1961

          Like I said, let’s just keep PRETENDING there are no fucking signs something’s WRONG with his mind.

          Let’s PRETEND there hasn’t been sign after sign after sign after sign.

          Above all, let’s not demand it be looked INTO.

          No, that would be doing the responsible thing, and we most certainly don’t want THAT in THIS fucked-up DYING republic.

          If a DEMOCRAT were showing signs like Dump’s, the DEMANDS it be looked into would DEAFEN us.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    I would say to head to D.C. but Trump never did drain this swamp after all. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c58654ed8ebcbb065bb29c2cd4d805400f5dea8ab11b8ed967877543a9627403.jpg

    • another_steve

      The only “swamp” in DC is the Republican Party and the lobbyists who suck its metaphorical cock.

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        And that spot in my basement.

        • another_steve

          Man and I have been blessed with a dry basement. A rare thing, that – here in Central Maryland.

          Much to the credit of the original builders of our house, the property immediately surrounding the house is graded in such a way that rain water flows away from the house’s foundation. On all sides. 360 degrees. Effectively and beautifully.

          My husband and I are very lucky.

          • djcoastermark

            What is this basement thing you speak of ? Florida minds cannot grok.

          • another_steve

            It is the place where I will one day chain Jared Kushner to the wall, strip him, and cause him to love me.

            This, after I totally erase his data banks and begin him anew – as my sex slave.

          • djcoastermark

            Ooooh Dungeon. Fun. Everyone should have one then.

          • clay

            i.e. “the sinkhole”

    • Tomcat

      How was this picture done?

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        It was taken in the future.

    • coram nobis

      That was after Hurricane Melania.

      • safari

        She still gets w…
        nevermind

  • SoCalGal20

    No storm on record, anywhere in the world, has maintained winds of 185mph as long as Irma.

    https://twitter.com/CNNSitRoom/status/905899213724278789

    • Lazycrockett

      beat me by a few seconds.

      • SoCalGal20

        I swear we have the same twitter feed lol.

    • Sam_Handwich

      i blame obama and gay wedding cake.

      soros, too

      • Hank

        Do not forget our demand for flowers!!

        • Sam_Handwich

          HOMOSEXUALIST FLORAL TYRANNY!

        • bambinoitaliano

          Flowers, cakes and wedding venues. Bloody bigots sounds like bridezillas having a melt down over bad makeup.

      • SoCalGal20

        You forgot Planned Parenthood.

      • KnownDonorDad
    • Lazycrockett

      Man Cockburn Town is gonna be destroyed.

      • Silver Badger

        They gotta be tough with a name like Cockburn. Fingers crossed!

        • Lazycrockett

          Someone from MSNBC said that Barbuda is uninhabitable.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      i blame melania’s stilettos

      • worstcultever

        no no no, it’s Michelle’s muscled arms that caused all of this – get with the program, libtard /s

        • Lazycrockett

          Sleeveless Dresses!!!!

          • Snarkaholic

            Because of this, Kellyanne Conman should be forced to wear a scarlet letter “A”…
            …for ASSHOLE!

    • Silver Badger

      Let us all hope that Cockburn Town is ok.

    • Tomcat

      Lets hope she is getting tired of spinning.

      • Snarkaholic

        …right after she snatches that dead possum off Chump’s head!

    • Hank

      Talk about irony, I just looked out of my windows, here in FTL and it is raining!!! Just an evening rain, but with what is coming….

    • zhera

      I haven’t seen anyone worry about the Bahamas. It looks like they’re right in the path of Irma. What are they saying on the Weather Channel and elsewhere?

      • SoCalGal20

        Weather Channel mentioned the southern Bahamas as being impacted but most of their focus in the little bit I watched last night was prepping Florida.

    • JCF

      Never forget: Climate Change is a HOAX!!!!

  • Mike

    Go declare your state of emergency in church, you hypocrites. See where that gets you. Say a prayer to St. Ronnie, and turn away the federal help you so despise when it’s someone else’s house that’s destroyed in a disaster.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhYJS80MgYA

    • worstcultever

      +10000

      this HORSESHIT was the beginning of the end

      rot in hell Ronnie

    • Rebecca Gardner

      They are still human beings and fellow Americans. I wish them only a safe place and a long life.

      • Mike

        I too wish them safety and long lives, AND shame and humiliation for being hypocrites who are eager to take but reluctant to give.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        It’s hard to feel sorry for GOP Floridians who openly complain their party refuses to hear their complaints about climate change yet refuse to drop their party.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    I really got into the weather when i became a pilot. I can actually tell my passengers in the small 8/6/4 passenger planes I’ve flown that turbulence is about to happen just by knowing the cloud formations. So, since then i became obsessed with the weather.

    i’ve been following Irma, but i’ve also been following Jose. Jose does not appear to be turning back into the Atlantic. Florida is completely fucked. I hope everyone can get out safe. I mean everyone. This is gonna be bad.

  • Ninja0980

    In 92, Miami dodged a bullet with Andrew and several storms after that.
    At some point, it’s luck was going to run out and sadly that time has come.
    May everyone down there be safe and sound.

    • Tomcat

      The hell you say.

      Hurricane Andrew was a devastating
      Category 5 storm that pummeled through Florida in 1992, leaving over
      1,000,000 people without power and without a home. It cost $26.5
      billion, leading the Federal Emergency Management Agency to make major
      changes to its policies. After the hurricane season ended, the World
      Meteorological Organization retired the name Andrew from the list of
      future names for Atlantic tropical cyclones and replaced it with Alex.

      • Ninja0980

        https://twitter.com/JohnMoralesNBC6/status/905959948865216512
        Andrew was horrible but it could have been even worse if it had made a direct hit on Miami instead of where it did, as this article shows.

        • Tomcat
        • johncAtl

          The problem here is like so many stupid surveys/statistics about cities. Miami is just a small part of Dade County. Dade County was devastated by Andrew. So the metro Miami area was by no means spared. It was a catastrophe.

      • JCF

        AND, Bush41’s (inadequate) response was significantly credited for throwing Florida to Bill Clinton (and thus, the Presidency).

    • Natty Enquirer

      The Fat Irma has yet to sing. She could track out over the Atlantic and spare Florida the worst of it.

      • The vast majority of 20 million Floridians are going to be impacted by Hurricane Force winds. It is pretty much a given and warnings have been issued tonight for 12 million of us. If we are fortunate, the worst we will have are Category 3 winds in our major cities in the South — but all models are converging on a landfall here or right off the coast which sends storm surges over it. I wish you were right. I just am hoping I have a house left in Palm Beach County (Delray Beach) on Monday but I think I be OK —

        • Snarkaholic

          Just want you to know that you are irreplaceable and loved.

      • johncAtl

        The trend was that it was moving somewhat northeast, which was moving it back out over the Atlantic. But the last few updates from the NHC have it moving back to the west keeping it on top of Florida.

    • Snarky

      Miami didn’t dodge the bullet that was Andrew. No one in Miami at the time felt we dodged a bullet, even though much of the destruction was further south. It was the worst disaster in the state’s history, and the most expensive disaster in U.S. history up to that time.

      It made landfall down in Homestead, but Miami was not spared. South Florida was hit and hit hard. Both of my parents’ homes were damaged. My mom’s house lost half the roof when a tree was uprooted and landed on her house. A tree branch smashed through the protected windows of my grandmother’s condo, and rain flooded the place. She lived on the fourth floor. My car, parked at my father’s house, had a palm tree land on it. That’s just one family – hundreds of thousands of homes were damaged or destroyed.

      If what you meant was that Miami’s damage from Andrew could have been worse, I wholeheartedly agree. It could have been much worse, but it was not a bullet dodged.

      I’m very afraid of what’s coming this weekend to South Florida and other places. Like you, I hope people there are safe and sound.

      • Andrew is much smaller than Irma — it actually was a small tight storm. Irma is much bigger — although they both measure Category 5. Irma’s windfield is more than twice as big.

  • coram nobis
  • Lazycrockett

    Jose has been upgraded to Cat 3.

    • Hank

      YUCH!!!

    • SoCalGal20

      I can’t even imagine for the islands that have already been devastated like Barbuda or St. Martin and all the others. Horrible.

      • Tomcat

        Barbuda may get hit again.

        • johncAtl

          There’s little left to hit except people who haven’t been evacuated yet.

    • billbear1961
  • Chris H.

    Wow! Was just browsing around on Google maps and I-75 appears to be one big traffic jam right now from just south of The Villages where the Turnpike merges in to past Valdosta, GA. That’s 150+ miles!
    I guess that’s what happens when half of the state only has two major interstates to escape on.

    • Hank

      It has been that way, since the mandatory evacuation of the Keys @ 2 days ago. You can get no where quickly, when they call for evacuation.

    • Tomcat

      And they only use half the lanes to go out.

      • Snarky

        My brother (in Miami at the time, since evacuated) told me they were planning on opening up the southbound lanes of the Turnpike to northbound traffic, but they didn’t. What the hell.

        • JCF

          My thoughts as well: why TF not???

          • clay

            They’re still sending in supply trucks. Deliveries will continue to get materials (such as fuel) in place before landfall.

  • MikeBx2
    • SoCalGal20

      Has there ever been a speaker who wasn’t a currently sitting Representative?

      Also, LOL Newt or Frothy. Really?

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        1. I can’t imagine Trump tolerating fundajelical lecturing by Santorum nor the incessant showboating of Newt (they may be friends now but wait until Newt starts horning in on Trump’s spotlight).

        2. Also if it’s OK for the leader of either the House of the Senate not to be a member, the Dems should threaten to have Obama as the leader of either.

        • johncAtl

          The VP is President of the Senate. And the president pro tempore has to be an elected member of the Senate. So there’s no chance for an outsider to be in either position.

      • Sam_Handwich

        no, but there are arguments that it’s possible.

        and it may indeed be legally possible, but not politically at this point anyway

        • SoCalGal20

          I know it’s theoretically possible but I didn’t know if it had ever actually been done. Interesting times!

    • Tomcat

      Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
      Go ahead and elect Gingrich, see what it gets you.

      • Joe in PA

        A fabulous “Contract with America”!

        /s

        • clay

          with on

          • Joe in PA

            I see what you did there. πŸ™‚

      • Hank

        Impeachment!!! /s

    • Sam_Handwich

      any such vote would probably result in Speaker Pelosi

    • Lazycrockett

      ????Gringrich????Santorum????? I know its possible but I highly doubt the house or reps are going to replace the speaker with a non elected member.

      • Hank

        2 words: “Freedom Caucus”!!! /s

    • coram nobis

      Time for some more music.

      Santorum! I just got a whiff of santorum!
      And suddenly that name will never be the same for me!
      Santorum! A funny thing seen in the forum!
      And suddenly I’ve learned, how colorful the term can be!
      Santorum! Say it loud, and your ears are smarting.
      Say it soft, and it’s almost like farting.
      — Bernstein and Sondheim, sort of

      http://www.spreadingsantorum.com

      • Snarkaholic

        Someone’s due any day
        And he hates all that’s gay
        He really blows
        He’ll soon come bumbling in, Sanctimonious grin
        Hideous clothes!
        He blows
        We know he’ll whine, bitch, and preach
        Argue, moan, pray, and screech
        Acting petty
        I got a feeling he’ll be judging you
        “Female, Mexican, or Jew
        “Are lesser than me!
        “Shut up, people, I know best
        “Stop laughing at my sweater vest(!)
        “What’s a ‘limp snatch’?”
        Someone’s coming, far too soon, a buffoon
        With an IQ to match!!

    • CharlestonDave

      Doesn’t the Speaker have to be a member of the House of Representatives?

      • MikeBx2

        Surprisingly, no.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      So basically even Faux is saying Florida is more screwed.

  • Tomcat

    The perfect storm, all three canes combine and make reservations at Mar A Lago.

    • Tomcat

      And I only say that in jest. I wish they would all turn out to sea or stop spinning.

  • Lazycrockett

    Man it looks like Irma is gonna take out every major city on the East coast of Florida.

    • Ninja0980

      They’ll bounce back..but make no mistake, there is going to be serious, major damage done that won’t be fixed by tourist season next fall.

      • Tomcat

        At least it is a red state so republicans will be willing to help with the rebuilding.

        • Ninja0980

          But it is in the Blue areas.

          • Tomcat

            But they want the state to stay red and that means help everyone or suffer the wrath.

          • Tomcat

            I know Floridians and they WILL stick together in a hurricane.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            I’m trying to imagine them fucking over Disney. Bad PR and Disney lawyers.

    • Tomcat

      Stay away from Disney world and Epcot.

      • fuzzybits

        I have no doubt Disney will get rebuilt quickly.

        • Ninja0980

          The strongest winds likely won’t get there but make no mistake, they’re going to get hit with hurricane force winds, as is the entire state.

          • Tomcat

            Hope it does not get the tree of life.

          • Ninja0980

            I think it will be fine, made it through other storms there.

    • Hank

      With a 400 mile diameter to Irma and a 160 mile peninsula width, the entire state is going to get slammed. Miami-Dade, Broward (FTL) and Palm Beach Counties have the largest populations in the state as well.

      • Lazycrockett

        The latest shows it just going west of each city up the east coast. The worse side to be on.

        • johncAtl

          It’s somewhat good (there is no good with this storm) that the eye is over land from the moment it enters South Florida. That weakens it pretty quickly, and the 11pm update from the NHC has it as a tropical storm as it crosses into Georgia and a tropical depression as it enters Tennessee.

  • Tomcat

    I feel for all the pets that most likely got left behind to fend for themselves.

    • fuzzybits

      πŸ™

      • Tomcat

        You know it happens EVERY time.

        • fuzzybits

          Yep and I can’t identify.

          • Ninja0980

            Me either.

    • Lazycrockett

      There seems to be a concentrated effort by the Floridian officials to mention how many more hotels and shelters are now allowing animals and will even try and rescue them if they are non threatening.

      • Tomcat

        I saw a article today that said regular shelters in Florida do not take pets in.

        • Ninja0980

          Which is why a lot of people actually do chose to stay home.

        • Lazycrockett

          MSNBC’s All In had a segment on it, that’s all I know.

    • chrisinphx

      That’s exactly the reason my Mom is staying put. There isn’t anywhere to go with 5 dogs, a cat, and a pig.

  • Tropical Tidbits — Levi’s analysis is out for Thursday night. He is a grad student at Florida State’s meteorology dept and is quite good in his discussion. Check it out here:
    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/
    https://youtu.be/9gVFeGLROmA

    • Joe in PA

      That site has been one of my open tabs since you posted the other day. Thanks.

      • Many professional forecaster posters on Wunderground recommend it.

        • Bryan

          The “Cat-6” blog on wunderground is pretty great too…

    • Hank

      How are you doing Eddi? I hope you are bunkered, safely.

      • Not nervous enough yet but getting ready. Hope you are doing ok also. I am not looking forward to an extended period with no power or possibly running water – we had no power for two weeks after Wilma so I might be relocating after the storm for a while.

        • Hank

          Had my “anxiety attack”, this afternoon. Spoke to a few friends and all is well for now. Supposedly, my condo has a generator for the “Game” room, to have electricity to charge phones, etc. and showers. (It is next to the pool.) I will see how it works…. or not!!! Also hoping the elevator will be functional, otherwise, I will be getting a lot of exercise going up and down 11 stories! lol

        • johncAtl

          How far inland are you?

          • About four miles, I do not have to worry about storm surge —

          • johncAtl

            Good. But the winds are still going to be intense. I hope you get through it okay.

      • Remember to fill your bathtub up with water. If you lose service that is how you flush — you fill a bucket up with water and fill your toilet tank.

    • houstonray

      I speak from experience, if you are gone too long from here, we’re all going to worry (I worried everyone after not being around for a week or so after Harvey). So check in even if just for a bit, after it has moved on.

      Hunker down and be safe!!!

      • I’m sure I’ll make it –ok just had a hurricane warning buzz—— Hurricane warning is announced at 11 PM

        • Lazycrockett

          https://twitter.com/LIGHT_ON_144/status/905982948561883137

          Shouldn’t be that hard to stay connected till the hit.

          • djcoastermark

            good to know in case we need. Hubs looked it up and our shelter a block and a half away has it.

          • johncAtl

            They may be opening up their wi-fi network. Look at available networks and see if you see xfinitywifi.

          • djcoastermark

            None yet, but will keep checking.

      • Silver Badger

        Yes, yes you did.

        • houstonray

          πŸ™‚

          • Lazycrockett

            I was so worried I had several cocktails.

          • houstonray

            Glad I could help. Wish I could have joined in, ha.

      • Friday

        Everyone stay safe. (Also don’t be in a hurry to worry about me if I’m not around, early next week, it’ll probably be just cable and/or power lines down.)

        • djcoastermark

          That’s is what we keep thinking here on this side of the peninsula. Hunker down in a safe place, and don’t take any risks. Be safe, be safe, be safe. We don’t need to lose anyone.

    • Ninja0980

      Hope you stay safe!

  • Moebym of the Returners
    • Treant

      That…doesn’t seem that good. If you give me a completely random selection of photographs picked from the public at large, I can hit 95% accuracy just by guessing “straight” every single time. Except for Fred, who has “LIKE” and “DICK” tattooed on his fingers, on that one, I guessed gay.

      • Snarkaholic

        And Janice, who has the names of Every One of her Thirty-Seven Cats tattooed on her arms (and chest and back).

        • Treant

          And she’s not a 65 year old crazy cat lady? Then yeah. πŸ™‚

      • johncAtl

        Fuck Fred. He stole that idea from me!

      • another_steve

        My husband and my friends tell me that my gaydar is superb. I can detect queerness based solely on voice tone and speech peculiarities.

        When, for instance, a server in a restaurant emits “queer,” I detect it in an instant. Ever out and nelly as I am, I test them.

        I’m always correct.

        • LesbianTippingHabits

          Of course, the real question is, how do you tip?

          • another_steve

            I’d be less than honest if I told you there was absolutely no connection whatsoever between a server’s open faggotry and the amount of my tip.

      • Friday

        Presumably they used more of an understanding of statistics than making it like *that.* Unless of course they didn’t and it’s nonsense. Still would be another thing that says, ‘No, of course, being queer isn’t just anidea in someone’s head.’ Downside of course is that a lot of Christianists and the like would just pretend they never said that and try another, more genocidal tack.

        • Treant

          You’d be surprised. If they’re looking for investments, I’ve seen warped statistics that would make anybody’s hair curl.

          The cross-check would be to include only photos of gay people and see what percentage it IDs as gay, then all straight people, and ditto. Then run an analysis between the two results with a third of randomly-selected photos that even the analysts don’t know the orientation of.

    • safari

      It’d be fun to apply this to porn and identify gay for pay.

      • Snarkaholic

        Did you misspell politicians?

    • If you want to age yourself to anyone under 25, ask them if they can give a crap about an AI ap that can identify who is gay or who is straight. I once asked my nephews about this and one of them started making out with his hot friend in front of me (they both have girlfriends) and cracked up at the concept of identifying yourself as gay or straight – high school kids these days seem to think it is an odd concept. Either that or they were teasing me — but this really seems a bit behind the times right now.

  • Hue-Man

    O/T This could never happen in Trump’s Cabinet.
    Canada’s Democratic Institutions Minister, Karina Gould, is “in the family way”. Here’s how she announced it.
    https://twitter.com/karinagould/status/905124180471021568

    • JCF

      “This could never happen in Trump’s Cabinet.”

      As I can’t see the vid: is she single? And/or gay?

  • Ross
  • Hurricane warnings announced for Florida at 11 PM — just came over televsion

    • fuzzybits

      Be safe!

    • JWC

      My thots are with you my friend

    • Tulle Christensen

      yep, pretty much the same for south Florida, but an improvement for north Florida as it will be weaker than the last warning

      • I am not sure if the Orlando area has ever had a major (category 3) Hurricane. Whatever the case all of Florida except for the panhandle is going to be a mess —a major cane running up the spine of Florida is a nightmare. This spares Savannah and Charleston — perhaps — if it veers west like this.

        • another_steve

          Amazing, terrifyingly so, how the projected path of this thing so encompasses the entire mainland of Florida.

          • djcoastermark

            Yeah, it is.

        • Ninja0980

          They’ve been with wind gusts but the fact remains they are inland enough to where even a storm like this will be somewhat weaker by the time it gets there.

        • CharlestonDave

          The SC governor has let it be known that any evacuation order will happen Saturday morning-ish. Traffic today was horrible, took me 90 minutes to drive 20 miles.

    • djcoastermark

      Ugh, not good. restless dozing tonight.

  • boobert

    Anyone gonna watch bernie whine on Colbert about how mean Hillary is? I’m not ! lol

    • Treant

      I’ll take a hard pass on that one, thanks.

    • another_steve

      Bernie, go away.

      You helped elect Donald Trump. Rejoice in that.

      Now go away.

    • Ninja0980

      Nope, saw enough of that tonight on Hayes.

  • SoCalGal20
    • djcoastermark

      If only these were the only Harvey and Irma’s I ever had to deal with.

  • safari

    O/T via spacewether.com

    A severe G4-class geomagnetic storm is in progress as our planet’s magnetic field reverberates from the impact. Auroras have been spotted as far south as Arkansas in the United States!

    • safari
      • DaddyRay

        I was out looking but didn’t see anything πŸ™

        • safari

          I didn’t either πŸ™

          • Treant

            Nor I, but nearly-full moon and party cloudy, so…

    • safari

      I can’t see anything where I am in Michigan, but I didn’t get an unobstructed view north.

    • another_steve

      Wait, wait… I have plans for this weekend. A friend who’s recovering from the recent death of her father is scheduled to visit man and me on Saturday for an intensive session of love, consolation and alcohol.

      Does this geomagnetic storm potentially affect my plans?

  • blackstar

    The worst part of the impending Hurricane is the suffering and damage that will occur to the people. The second worst is having to look and listen to Governor Rick Scott everyday for the weeks ahead.

    • johncAtl

      The worst is that Trump will come visit.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      And he’s responsible for helping make it happen and he’ll still insist words like climate change can’t be used.

      • johncAtl

        Making it happen while he should have been in prison for the securities fraud he pulled off as CEO of HCA. And he would be in jail if Bill Frist hadn’t been the Senate Majority Leader at the time. The Frist family founded HCA.

        • Ninja0980

          Good ol Bill Frist, another holier then thou POS.

      • edrex
        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          And that guy’s a fucking dick, too.

          • edrex

            a STUPID fucking dick.

    • djcoastermark

      Really ! I have been gagging all day every time he comes on air today wearing this stupid “NAVY” hat he has been wearing. I am like WTF !?!

    • Ninja0980

      I’m sure it will help him next year if he runs for Senate..gag!

  • DaddyRay

    I imagine Hurricanes in Florida just exasperate the sinkhole issues

    • edrex

      pisses the sinkholes off.

      • DaddyRay

        pisses off the cars that get eaten up by them

        • Reality.Bites

          The dinosaurs are reclaiming the gasoline.

    • johncAtl

      Hmmmm. The sinkholes occur as the water levels of the Florida aquifer drop, so maybe lots of rain is a good thing?

      And as a former Floridian I always say Minnesota may be the land of 10,000 lakes, but Florida has 100,000 with new ones forming daily.

      • Cuberly

        Heh…..

        There’s sink hole maps of Florida that are freaking scary.

      • clay

        The ground water there is carbonated– weak carbonic acid. Raise the water table and it washes over alkaline bedrock, weakening and dissolving it, further. Then, when the water table drops back down . . . This is why sinkholes exist all over Florida, western Cuba, and the Yucatan– they’re all the same geologic unit with a lot of decaying carbon-releasing plants on top.

    • LesbianTippingHabits


      Florida IS a sinkhole.

      At least Governor Rick Scott (R) is proving he is a leader.

      Can anyone seriously imagine Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) as Governor?

      Rubio, of course, cannot even take tough questions from his own constituents at a town meeting. What a pussy! And Marco Rubio actually thought he could serve as President. What nerve!

      Meanwhile, the Florida sinkhole continues . . .

  • Snarkaholic
    • johncAtl

      A publicity move, but given that it’s animals that were rescued I thoroughly approve.

  • bambinoitaliano
    • JCF

      You can do both, you know.

  • DaddyRay

    Mental Health Break:

    Turn on closed caption for more info while watching the video

    12 YEARS OLD TO MY WEDDING DAY(age 21) | Photo Every Day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65nfbW-27ps

    • djcoastermark

      Really cool. I hope he keeps this up for the rest of his life for all to see. Imagine this in progressing 20, 30, or even 40 years from now. A piece of art and history all in one.

      • DaddyRay

        I wonder if his second wife will appreciate seeing his first wedding

        • djcoastermark

          Wife or Husband? Either way, What a way to show your life.

          • DaddyRay

            True – 21 is way too young to get married for me at least

          • Lazycrockett

            My niece got married at the age of 20 this summer. Only 2 people approved of that wedding on either side.

          • DaddyRay

            Yikes, but the ones that everyone objects to or says will never last are typically the ones that do

          • Lazycrockett

            3 months in he is demanding she drop out of college. She got her dad to pay for the fall semester.

          • DaddyRay

            yikes – not a good start

          • Lazycrockett

            Everyone is praying she stays on birth control.

          • Treant

            Are you chipping in for Norplant yet?

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            I remember an ex-evangelical woman on a patheos blog talked about how she dodged a bullet by digging in her heels and not getting knocked up. She refused to get pregnant because her husband was so damn lazy about chores and was crap at being a provider and didn’t buy his argument he’d try harder if there was a kid. She eventually left him.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            That is a BAD sign. First it’s school or job, then it’s friends, then it’s family. Often on top of that, there’s the insistence a baby will make things A-OK. Then things REALLY go downhill as the other person thinks you can’t get away. (I didn’t experience this but I’ve read a ton of stories like that)

            She needs to stay in school. If he didn’t insist on it prior to the marriage, she should say “I didn’t agree to that and I have no plan on working minimum wage when I’m middle-aged when I don’t have to.”

          • Treant

            A friend of mine married for the first time at age 48. We were sort of iffy on it and, as time has gone on, we now disapprove. So do most of our mutual friends.

            Sad, that.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Well at least I’m assuming that the friend has a career & some assets and can take care of him/herself if the marriage falls apart. That’s the good part of being older when one gets married. And if they’re civil-ish, divorce can be done on the cheap if their assets aren’t totally mashed together.

          • Treant

            He does, she doesn’t, and she’s spending it as fast as she can. πŸ™‚

            This is the woman who, when I said, “I’m sorry, I have a migraine right now,” proceeded to scream in my ear, “You can’t possibly have migraines as bad as I do.”

            What I was thinking: You just burned your last friend in this room, sister, the rest of us think you’re a crude gold digger.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Whoa that’s bad. Well, if you all warned him then it’s really up to him to wake up to the fact she’s terrible. Did he at least get a pre-nup? (sounds like no.)

          • Treant

            No. And so far, he doesn’t see it.

          • Reality.Bites

            Lemme guess – a baker and a florist?

          • Sam_Handwich

            for my hubby too

        • Sam_Handwich

          i think the “second wife” will be a man and they might enjoy a good chuckle.

    • Sam_Handwich

      yeah i think he’s gay. but whatever

      • Treant

        He’s not gay, he’s boy-curious. Or something like that.

    • another_steve

      The good news is that that’s quite lovely.

      The bad news is that 145 people susceptible to epileptic seizure as a result of viewing stroboscopic images just fell to the floor and are convulsing as a result of having watched that video.

    • houstonray

      Is it pervy that I stopped it several times to catch the shirtless photos? (after 18 of course)

  • Cuberly

    Ok, I’ve been incubating a thought ever since FarceBlarg admitted to hosting profiles used to circumvent our elections.

    I’ve worked for companies that have had lawsuits, going through the process of discovery. From a purely tech angle it’s a clusterfuck of long hours of work A pain in the ass. But as hard as it was to accommodate these requests, it was the legal and honorable thing to do.

    But, here we have an American based company with a dearth of oversight that enabled a foreign entity to meddle in our elections.

    Can I sue FaceBook? Seriously, I’m asking this question thinking how the hell is this entity not getting a slew of lawsuits thrown their way?

    Is Facebook not culpable? Complicit?

    I need a much smarter person to inform me on how FB isn’t acting on the part of a foreign entity.

    • Sam_Handwich

      i hate FB

      but i think it’s likely that none of this was realized until well after the election

      and i’d assume that twitter was even worse.

      • Cuberly

        Well, yes. But, FB also claims to make an effort to block or delete fake or offensive accounts. That effort started long ago. (supposedly)

        They were negligent?

        • Sam_Handwich

          FB has created a nice delusion. but they’re no better at cancelling “fake accounts” than AOL or Manhunt.

          all FB cares about is getting your personal info.

          • Cuberly

            Exactly, and why can’t that be spun to inform how dangerous it is? How it’s been manipulated into seriously dangerous deeds.

          • Sam_Handwich

            i know. i’ve posted enough personal info on, say, Disqus or Twitter, that could be loosely construed to guess my identity. But i’m not going to post my identity on FB and leave nothing to guess.

            I value my privacy. I think most people don’t care.

          • Cuberly

            I think most people, as has been documented countless times, just don’t get the danger.

            A person runs for office and posts messed up FB posts. It’s only through followers that that shit gets called out.

            Using social media to harm an entire country? Um…….

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      IIRC, Facebook has gotten away with “We’re just a platform. We don’t endorse/monitor whatever is on here.”

      However, now that’s known and how dangerous it is, it’s going to be a lot harder for them to just ignore this.

      I honestly think having people leave Facebook is what would kick Zuckerberg in the ‘nads BUT it doesn’t help that even online media & business fucking use that as a log-in. I have never used Facebook but I can’t list the number of times things OTHER than Facebook has demanded I use that to sign up for shit.

      • Lazycrockett

        Pretty much every browser and site you visit has a “waiting for facebook to load……………….”

      • Cuberly

        When you receive obscene or threatening phone calls you can inform police and the phone company (supposedly) to act.

        I’ve been ruminating for quite a while about how social media doesn’t have any sort of accountability. Of course in the early ages it was sort of cool to have an open platform. But here we’re in a time and place where social media has become, basically, a utility. It’s akin to the power company or the water dept. It’s ubiquitous.

        Where is accountability in that? Shouldn’t it be inherent?

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Have you seen the movie The Social Network? I really enjoyed the movie but that actually acted as a factor in why I never joined the site.

          • Cuberly

            Yep, I have.

            But then Zuckerberg was expanding on a platform for a broader audience. The problem is, his libertarian leanings prevailed. He never considered the broader consequences.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Libertarianism just ignores so many factors of RL like nationalism, religious fanaticism, psychopathy, tribalism, bigotry, sexism, power inequality, etc.

          • Cuberly

            When it comes to pretty much anything silly valley related the first thing I think is, anything they produce starts from their very VERY narrow realm of inexperience.

            Basically libertarianism in practice. The wider world and it’s concerns are embarrassingly ignored. They just want their entitled billion dollar buyout.

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            Real Libertarians live in Somalia.

          • clay

            Their mantra: “externalize, externalize, externalize.”
            Which also makes them particularly shitty at national governance.

          • bambinoitaliano

            That’s before he thought the company could worth in the hundred of billions. In itself it’s a growing snowball that can’t be contain regardless of who is at the helm. The wealth and the fame that comes with what Zuckerberg had created gives him the social status very few could resist. From the technical and financial aspect of it, it can’t stay idle or the social media will become yesterday news like many tech invention. I’m certain that somewhere some other tech geniuses are working on the next platform that will supersede Facebook. That’s where the billions of dollars come in handy to scoop up these developers and their innovation. Which is what any multi billion corporations like Apple and Google do.

      • CB

        Don’t use FB as a log in to sites. The price for “convenience” is access to all your data, and since it’s a target for hacking, someone who breaches FB can delve deeply into more than just the sites you’ve signed in to there.
        I haven’t eliminated my FB account, but I don’t think I’ve been on it in more than 6 weeks. And you know what? The sun still comes up and my life goes on.

    • bambinoitaliano

      Anyone can sue any company for whatever reason. I don’t think even the best law firm can tell you until they actually spend their resources into researching if there is a case against Facebook. There lies the deterring factor of suing a billion dollar corporation. Especially where there is no immediate physical damage done to its users. You hope that somewhere someone started a class action suit and many more can register to be part of the plaintiff. Somewhere within the fine line of the Facebook agreement, I’m pretty sure there are ironclad clauses that said the social media owns you and your family beyond your life expectancy the moment you click the I Agree button. πŸ˜›

  • MikeBx2
  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: Why is that I hear an author say liberals are losing because they pay too much attention to identity politics on NPR? Then I see articles like this:

    http://time.com/4931206/iowa-high-school-students-kkk-hoods-confederate-flag/

    “An Iowa high school says it disciplined a group of students after a photo
    surfaced showing five people wearing Ku Klux Klan hoods, waving a Confederate flag and holding what appear to be guns in front of a burning cross.Administrators
    at Creston Community High School in Creston, Iowa, said they began investigating the photo when they became aware of it and added that “steps have been taken to discipline the students,” though they did not say what measures were taken, according to the Creston News Advertiser. The news site added that the students involved are on the high school’s football team.”

    • coram nobis

      For some reason I wonder how many monuments Iowa has to its Union Army dead?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_in_the_American_Civil_War

      Iowa contributed 48 regiments of state infantry, 1 regiment of black infantry (the 1st Iowa Volunteer Infantry Regiment (African Descent)), 9 regiments of cavalry, and 4 artillery batteries. In addition to these Federally mustered troops, the state also raised a number of home guard or militia units, including the Northern Border Brigade and Southern Border Brigade, primarily for defense of the borders. Other local units included the Sioux City Cavalry.

      Sporadically, Confederate partisans and bushwhackers raided Iowa …

    • Tomcat

      No desert today for them, now get back out there and play ball.

  • Lazycrockett

    Sounds like a localized Tsunami.

  • MikeBx2
    • Bryan

      Mexico offered assistance– via Tillerson– to us after Harvey.

      But they’ll pay for the border wall “one way or the other…”

  • Lazycrockett
  • JCF

    USGS raises magnitude to 8.1

  • ultragreen

    Okay, with earthquakes, tsunamis, and hurricanes happening all at once, the end of the world must be approaching.

  • Spray on abs

    F U go away troll. People are dying and you are selling crap.

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      Just flag it. The people who do this live on the other side of the Earth.

  • thom

    Fingers crossed in Tampa Bay area. Hunkering down with family. Their neighborhood is not being asked to evacuate. Say they would need 36 ft storm surge to flood this area… wind will still be a concern

    • djcoastermark

      Welcome to the neighborhood. Sorta, I guess. Stay safe.

  • thom

    Scenes from Mexico are absolutely devastating

    • Moebym of the Returners

      Katia on one end, tsunamis on the other.

      • thom

        Updated estimate: β€œHigh casualties and extensive damage are probable and the disaster is likely widespread.” https://t.co/zJgAH9tZCu

        • LesbianTippingHabits

          And it’s all the Republicans’ fault, of course. Otherwise, the UN-endorsed Paris Agreement re Climate Change would have protected all of us. Too bad Hillary lost the election.

          • thom

            Lol, not quite.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Sounds like the Earth has been drinking as much as I have since the election.

  • Mark

    To everyone in Irma’s path. Bottled water. Food that doesn’t need refrigeration or cooking. Get some comfort items too – you have to. Keep the phone charged. Get battery packs for it. so many of you have been through one – this was my first hurricane of this magnitude. I’d been in a Cat 1 cyclone in Australia but that was a thunderstorm compared to this monster.

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      There is no bottled water. Rush Limbaugh is right that tap water in a to-be-recycled plastic container is fine. Certain sections of even the upscale local supermarkets look like their counterparts in Venezuela. Seriously.

    • Also, Fill your bathtub up with water. In the event of water cutoff, this is how you flush — take off your water tank top, and use a bucket to fill it.

      • Mark

        I had a 10 gallon container and used to flush. I also used it to shave, to give myself a little wipe down with the face cloth. I’m going to have my first hot shower in a few minutes since Tuesday.

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson
    • Jeffg166

      It’s as bad as it can get.

    • clay

      and still a Category 1 hurricane by the time it reaches Atlanta.

    • The Army core of engineers assures us the barriers around Lake Okeechobee (the blue dot below the zero in Monday) can take a direct eye fall. In America’s second great Hurricane tragedy, after the 1900 Galveston Hurricane, 4000 migrant workers, most black, lost their lives in 1928 when a storm surge overran its banks in the category 5 Okeechobee Hurricane. They built a wall around this aquifer which holds this water back —- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2620280dd6fdb1b02bba93e2df36dcfbfe73554b1881ad05b2eb4d02739a5338.jpg

  • SoCalGal20

    And Paul Ryan doesn’t know whqt the minimum wage is in WI. INStant campaign commercial for Randy Bryce!

    https://twitter.com/nicholaskitchel/status/905783245513613312

    • CB

      Of course, because he’s not interested in his constituents. He’s only interested in self-aggrandizing. Keep talking, ignorant fool.

    • Tomcat

      Yet I bet he laughed it off as not important.

  • SoCalGal20

    Rissia’s FB ads may have reached as many as 70M people.

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/906119987173228544

    • Tomcat

      But it had no effect on the election./SSSS

  • A word of advice to anyone who has friends or relatives in Florida — power and communications to wide areas are going to be cut off starting on Sunday if not before. Over 6 million people lost power during Hurricane Wilma 12 years ago, some for three weeks at a time (including myself). Hurricane Wilma did not affect the entire state — and was a weaker storm, so my guess is over 10 million people will be without power quickly on Sunday. If someone cannot phone or reach you by email for several days do not assume they are hurt or injured- if they have evacuated from the shore or an outer island (like the keys) they should be just fine. Most anything built here in the past 25 years can withstand Irma on ground level.

    • Tulle Christensen

      I was without power for 6 days after Mathew but that was because there were 3 fallen power lines between me and the electric My street was the last one in my neighborhood to get power back

  • RutheMFrey

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  • M Jackson

    God hates them.
    Meanwhile the sun is shining and it’s a cool 73* in my multi-ethnic Queens, NY neighborhood. And I’m a gay secular-humanist who’s just finished reading the NYTimes and hoping for no delays in today’s “N” train service.
    Go figure.