Miami-Dade To Begin Evacuations Ahead Of Irma

The Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel reports:

As Hurricane Irma threatens South Florida, Broward and Palm Beach County officials are mulling when to open shelters and order evacuations; Miami-Dade County will begin evacuations Wednesday.

Miami-Dade County officials announced that evacuations will begin Wednesday. County offices will be closed Thursday and Friday.

“Because of the strength and intensity of this storm, we need to take action and we need to take action now,” Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez said.

Monroe County has issued a mandatory evacuation of all residents, beginning at 7 p.m. Wednesday. A tourist evacuation order will be in effect at 7 a.m.

  • Mark

    Fuck I wish this was over!

    • SoCalGal20

      Just do what you can to stay safe. Are they giving you any sort of instructions about where to go? Are you in a tourist/business hotel or resort?

    • Joe in PA

      Oh, you’re talking about Irma. Got it. 🙁

    • Karl Dubhe

      I know it’s bad to say this, but hurricane season ends in November. 🙁

      • barracks9

        Only in theory, unfortunately. Following Katrina and Rita in 2005, we had tropical storms threatening the U.S. and Caribbean well into January 2006.

        • Karl Dubhe

          I should have said ‘officially’. 🙂

          • Beagle

            In normal years, there isn’t much activity after mid-October or so. But this doesn’t look like a normal year.

        • shellback

          Good to see you my friend. I see you survived another NOLA storm. Good on you. Hugs, man!

          • barracks9

            Good to see you too! Survived, and doing well – hugs back to you!

      • Tulle Christensen

        September is on average the most active month for tropical systems

    • Todd20036

      Come on! I’m not THAT bad…

      • Joe in PA

        So you’ve heard that before? Good to know. 🙂

    • zhera

      Where exactly are you again?

      The size of Irma is terrifying. The eye alone must be bigger than some of the smaller states!

      • Jefe5084

        400 miles across as of a little while ago. the eye 33 miles.

        • zhera

          Delaware:

          • Width
          30 miles (48 km)

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    It looks like cotton candy swirling in those machines where they make it at fairs and carnivals.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Delicious AND nutritious!

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        10 out of 10 dentists approve

        • Joe in PA

          LOL, I was typing something similar at the same time. 🙂

      • Joe in PA

        I’ve actually had some cotton candy as an adult and it was surprisingly good. 😉 Dang it. Of course I brushed my teeth immediately. 🙂

        But note to food producers: NEVER EVER try to make something else taste like cotton candy. Yuck.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Unlike many other places, the only escape is north. That’s a lot of people using the same routes.
    I’d sure leave. It’s not worth it.

    • Joe in PA

      We are having a heavy thunderstorm right now…all this hurricane talk is making me even more nervous. I can’t IMAGINE what it must be like to be in the path of this monster. 🙁

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        This hurricane shares a name with my mom.
        It’s hard to think of her as a monster 🙂

        • Joe in PA

          Oops, sorry. 😉 My step kids are named Andrew and Camille. Go figure. 🙂

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            I’m sure someone, somewhere has a rabbit named Harvey.

          • Craig Howell

            But he’s invisible, right?

          • Karl Dubhe

            Mine is. 🙂

        • clay

          Whereas, if a hurricane shared a name with my mom, it would be easy.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
  • Tomcat

    Don’t let anyone convince you to stay, get out while you can and come back only when safe to do so.

  • AtticusP
    • DoctorDJ

      (… low pressure, actually…)

      • clay

        Well, he did say he was a registered Republican.

        • Steverino

          Heh.

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      • Natty Enquirer

        You can’t have low pressure without high pressure.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Please don’t rely on your neighbor or shelter to care for your pet.

    #SadOutComes

    • zhera

      PLEASE DON’T LEAVE THEM BEHIND!

      The stories from Houston made my blood boil. Pets tied up OUTDOORS and the owners gone.

      • Beagle

        There are some relatively happy endings. We volunteer at an animal shelter that was expecting 6 cats from Harvey. Probably some dogs, too, but I’m more familiar with the cats.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Criminal !

  • HandyAndy

    My neighborhood in the lower Keys (green dot) is supposed to take a direct hit. I’m leaving tomorrow at 2:00 pm. A couple of my neighbors say that they aren’t leaving at all even with the evacuation orders. Another neighbor is the publisher of the local Key West newspaper, and he’s staying till at least Friday so they can keep putting out a daily edition at least through Saturday. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/87525f44b4de336dfe2dee27ab81a3baf55c73721dca367f7913bd74640eb575.png

    • safari

      I’m not sure what to say, but hope everything works out well for all of you. I’ll be thinking of you all.

    • billbear1961

      Good luck!

      I think you’ve definitely made the right decision!

    • Joe in PA

      Dang, nothing like having a bullseye on your house! Stay safe and I’m glad you are getting out. Yikes.

    • Joe in PA

      BTW, where will you go? So many areas of FLA are in at least one of the paths.

      • HandyAndy

        I have a brother in Conway SC, so I’m completely getting out of the state for a week. South Carolina may get some weather too, but it’s not likely to be as bad as down here.

        • Joe in PA

          I’m glad you are getting out! Good luck. (geez, I almost hate saying that after Trump said it so oddly)

    • PiperPine

      Stay safe and I hope your neighbors make it through 🙁

    • Ninja0980

      Hope everything works out for the best.
      Stay safe!

    • Todd20036

      It IS rather early to leave – the storm won’t hit for another 5-6 days, so even if you are a bit stubborn, you can wait 2-3 days to see if the storm veers north before leaving

      • Joe in PA

        A friend of ours is leaving early as well…she said she wanted to get out of the way of others that would be coming along. So there’s that.

      • djcoastermark

        Leaving later only puts one in a mess of traffic that goes nowhere fast. One can only go one direction, north.

      • zhera

        Those who can leave early should do so. It’ll be chaotic enough when everyone else will be out there on the roads.

        • John30013

          This is what everyone fails to consider. The highways have limited capacity. If everyone waits until the last minute to leave, the roads will be parking lots and no one will get anywhere.

      • HandyAndy

        If I was going to a shelter on the mainland, which for Keys residents is in the Miami-Dade county fairgrounds, I would wait till the last minute. But, since I have a brother in South Carolina who is going to host us for a week, I’m going to get while the gettin’s good.

        • Tread

          That is absolutely a smart move.

        • UrsusArctos

          Smart man. Good luck.

      • Tulle Christensen

        Do you have any idea what the traffic will be like and how far those in South Florida have to drive to get out of its path? 400-500 miles is the answer

        • Todd20036

          yuk! My mother is in Lake Worth. At least she’s not near a cost line. that’ near WPB

          • UrsusArctos

            The average elevation at Lake Worth is 16.5′. Anything below the surge level, no matter how far inland will get swamped. Watch the notices and surge predictions.

    • djcoastermark

      Stay safe and best of luck. We are just as nervous here in St Pete about what may come.

    • Lars Littlefield
      • HandyAndy

        Ha! No, Key Largo is about 80 miles East of me. I live on Cudjoe Key.

    • zhera

      Thank god you’re getting out of there! The people staying, do they believe they can force the tide and storm surge away from their houses? From what I’ve understood, the entire Keys risk being under water.

      • HandyAndy

        Some houses are on stilts a little higher than others, so they’re pretty sure that they’ll stay dry. The older couple across the canal from my house have been there since 1962, and they’ve never evacuated. My house sits on stilts about an extra 4 feet off the ground, was built in 1985, and has never gotten flooded in any of the previous storms, so I’m hopeful that it will stay dry as long as the roof holds out. But I’m not taking any chances on getting stuck in a flooded neighborhood without water or power for a week.

        • Tulle Christensen

          Andy you have no idea, I have been through many cat 1-3 hurricanes, and cat 5 Andrew, there us no comparison

          ok how about this it is like being in a tornado for a day or 2, most hurricanes it is the water, but a cat 5 it is the wind, The south Florida building codes in the 80s are only good to about 135 mph

          • HandyAndy

            Right. I’m more worried about the roof coming off than I am about storm surge flooding it. If this thing can weaken to a cat 3 or 4 before it hits us, I think I’ll still have a home to go back to when it’s over. If it hits the Keys at a cat 5, I’ll be going back to sort through my demolished stuff, and identify my neighbors remains.

          • Tread

            Sorry to break it to you, but if it hits the Keys as a category 5, there won’t be anything left to sort out.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1935_Labor_Day_hurricane

          • HandyAndy

            Yeah, I know. Trying to stay positive. I think I would probably go back just to take a look just to confirm for myself that there was really nothing left. Everybody here is gambling from experience that once Irma starts hitting Puerto Rico, Hispanola, and Cuba first, that will slow it down to a 4 or 3, which is what has happened most often in the past. If it really stays at a 5 all the way to the Keys, there won’t be much of anything left.

          • Tread

            Ugh, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to sound so blasé about it. I truly hope she misses the Keys. It will be devastating if she does hit them.

          • Dramphooey

            Maybe they’ll get out if news reaches them it isn’t weakening. Or maybe it will weaken; who knows? Hopefully it will. But you’re smart to leave. Don’t be this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Randall_Truman

          • Ranger One

            That’s the risk with living there. I live in a coastal town in New Jersey. It’s the aftermath. No gas, no power. Emotional hardship. Fuck that. Get out, stay out.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJgoHgpsb9I

        • colo303

          Wow, stilts. Biggest hurricane ever and they’re still staying there. Even 100 mph winds I’m worried my house will blow away and that’s on a foundation.

        • UrsusArctos

          Stilts are no help when the surge drives the neighborhood into your house as debris and takes it down. A LOT of people here on the MS coast learned that the hard way in 2005. Stay safe.

    • Karl Dubhe

      Damn, their lives aint worth any property…

      Why would they stay?

    • JCF

      It’s skedaddlin’ time…

    • John30013

      I’m upvoting you, not your neighbors. But, hey, it’s a free country. As long as they’re willing to “shelter in place” and deal with whatever comes their way with no expectation of rescue, let ’em ride it out.

      Good luck to you, Andy!

    • BearEyes

      get out – stay safe.

    • Gustav2

      Mourning Joe said today, if you see this coming, it is time to pack up the kids and go see an Atlanta Braves game in Atlanta.

  • safari

    How many 500 year events are we anticipating this year?

    • clay

      Let’s see, we had a 500 year flood on the Mississippi in 1993, and two more in the last 15 years.

      • Karl Dubhe

        Not to mention all of the forest fires, which are starting to burn earlier and longer. Heck, there was a fire in the tundra of Greenland. That’s gotta be a one in a hundred thousand year event. (pulling that number right out of my butt.)

        • clay

          (Maybe a small fire during the Medieval warm period 700-1000 years ago, but for ice-free you’d have to go back more like 1,000,000 years.)

  • another_steve

    I wish all Florida sisters and brothers reading here well.

    Please stay safe.

    • Tulle Christensen

      thanks Steve

    • Anastasia Beaverhousen

      And I still am offering the Beaver Housen for safety. It’s lovely in upstate NY.

  • billbear1961

    It is the wrath of a violated and enraged Earth.

    • Karl Dubhe

      Actually, it’s just physics.

      There’s nothing personal in the nature of things.

      • billbear1961

        It’s a violated and enraged Gaia.

        She’s had ENOUGH of this filthy, hateful species, and I don’t blame her.

        • Karl Dubhe

          I’ve read the Gaia hypothesis, I don’t buy it.

          Sorry. 🙁

          It’s a reaction to the actions of us and our ancestors. Unless we can find a way of fixing it, we’ll be screwed.

          I’ll believe that we can ‘fix it’ until proven otherwise. 🙂

          • billbear1961

            I don’t think that proof is far off, sweetheart.

          • Karl Dubhe

            Nor do I. But where there’s still life, there’s hope.

            Albeit faint.

          • billbear1961

            xoxo

          • billbear1961

            I like your new avatar, btw.

          • Karl Dubhe

            Thx. I saw it, and stole it from someone else.

            Wish my parents could have seen it, they’d have loved it. (they fought Hitler)

  • David

    If you chose to not evacuate and ride out the storm, well that’s your choice.
    But, please remember to write your name and social security number in permanent marker on your chest.
    That will make identifying your body later easier.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Wasn’t that a Christopher Nolan movie?

      • David

        I’m quite serious. NO ONE survives 180mph – 200mph winds & storm surges.

        • Natty Enquirer

          Unless you manage to hitch a ride on a flying shark.

      • Refugay

        I’ve appreciated others sharing in the past that not everyone has the economic ability to evacuate and I will take this opportunity to pass that message along. Does anyone know if there are resources available to help folks that can’t afford to evacuate? I’d like to share that information if possible.

        • Joe in PA

          Great point.

        • KarenAtFOH

          All local municipalities down here will open local shelters capable of withstanding the storm. Also, the NHC is forecasting Irma to weaken slightly to a Cat 4 by the time it gets to Florida.

          • UrsusArctos

            It’s NOT withstanding the wind that matters. It’s being above the surge or able to survive the buildings bulldozing everything at the leading edge of the surge (much like a tsunami). Elevation is your only friend.
            With Katrina, as the forecast surge increased, shelters closed and evacuated to higher ground. Several did that too late.

    • Joe in PA

      There’s been a FB meme going around lately: I don’t care who dies in the movie as long as the dog makes it.

    • Moebym of the Returners

      I don’t think that’s a good solution. As far as I know, if your body is in the water for days in the summer, the discoloration of your skin will make the writing hard, if not impossible, to read once your body is recovered.

    • Karl Dubhe

      Will the state pay to evacuate the poor?

      Or are they on their own…

      • zhera

        I can’t believe there’s even a question about that! Evacuation buses, load them up, who cares about payment. I mean, that’s how it should be. I’m afraid to ask now, how does that work in the US during a mandatory evacuation?

        • UrsusArctos

          Every (wo)man for themselves, the ‘Murikan way.

      • Tulle Christensen

        It is Florida of course not all our tax money goes to private prisons and charter schools

  • m_lp_ql_m

    Nope, no climate change here. Move along…

  • Talisman

    But climate change is a lie.

    /s

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Harvey, now Irma, then Jose. The 1st two being unbelievably powerful. Wouldn’t it have been amazing if science had made some sort of predictive models to warn us that do to man’s impact on the climate, storms would become not only more frequent but violently intense. If only.

  • m_lp_ql_m

    And it’s hitting there because of all Teh Gaiz in the area, apparently.

  • David

    To quote Capt. Jack Harkness from Torchwood: “The 21st century; where everything changed”.

  • Ninja0980

    Hope everyone can get out safe and sound.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Tomcat

      Trump would MAKE money off it’s destruction. He most likely has it insured by several insurance companies secretly.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Thought of that too, but was hoping he won’t listen to fake news and be there at the time.

        • Joe in PA

          Can you imagine the monstrosity he would replace it with? [shudders]

          • Tomcat

            All FEMA money too.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            Absolutely, the US is now his personal sunny, rainy, slush, inducement, grift, graft, hush money fund.

      • bambinoitaliano

        When it comes to natural disaster, I doubt any insurance company would have a full coverage under any circumstances.

        • Tomcat

          Not even for the filthy rich, what are you a commie?

          • bambinoitaliano

            Nope. War, earth quake, hurricane, flooding, forest fires most of the time are not cover. Even if there are exception to a region, the coverage is limited. Insurance companies are not in business to protect anyone’s lives or properties. They are betting against your odds of not receiving any claims in several life time.

          • Karl Dubhe

            The ultra rich will have lawyers who will argue that the storms are not natural and a result of climate change.

            They’re capable of greater hypocrisies.

          • bambinoitaliano

            Good luck with that if the lawyers want to feel like Matt Staver of Liberty Counsel. The ultra rich is also going up against the ultra wealthy insurance corporations. They are just as resourceful if not more than most of their clients.

          • UrsusArctos

            You can get hurricane coverage, but commercial flood insurance – not so much. Most self insure. It’s a good thing 45*s a zillionaire. /snark

        • bkmn

          It will be interesting to see what he will claim it to be valued at, after years of trying to get the city to value Mar-a-Fraudo for significantly fewer millions than he paid for it.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            Now it will be claimed to be ten times that amount.

          • bkmn

            at least

      • jimbo65

        Or just have his hand out and scam the government for relief aid funds. I think he’s already done it with hurricane Sandy.

      • djcoastermark

        And rebuilt lickity split, while the rest takes years.

      • LesbianTippingHabits

        Tomcat, this assumes that Donald Trump pays his bills. Not so.

      • TCinBerkeley

        I know you are right about this, but the frustration it would cause Reichsfuhrer von Cheeto would be a soothing ointment for my soul (or whatever).

        Also, it could then be renamed Mar-a-Septico.

      • Blake Jordan

        Any bill congress passed to financially assist Florida, would include massive amounts to Donnie properties… way, way, way,… more than any actual damage done!!!

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR
    • Gustav2

      Trump already got insurance money for no damage once, he will do it again.

      Trump took $17 million in insurance for damage few remember
      https://apnews.com/1fefeef4a4e84fa4af6441f4b6d221f0

  • John Ruff

    As a hurricane Andrew survivor, I would be in a car, plane, or train right now…leaving the state.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Let’s hope the shit gibbon defy all security protocol and get a close up look at Irma.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a65b2da5ee37d21a111c9f30aceccb0ad36ab221e4a40866cc5c52cd61a50709.jpg

    • Tomcat

      And I am a bigger windbag than it is.

    • Joe in PA

      Well Rush thinks it’s a liberal hoax, maybe we can talk trump in to a little visit to Palm Beach?

      http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/rush-limbaugh-suggests-hurricane-irma-is-a-liberal-hoax/

      • Karl Dubhe

        Real men ride Cat 5s out.

        Me? I’d be inland already. Wait, I am. 🙂

        • Snarkaholic

          Obama FORBIDS you to stay at Mar-A-Lago until the hurricane has ended!

      • zhera

        He’s free to stay at home then, and say that directly to Irma as she tears down his house.

  • FloBear

    Fort Lauderdale here. We’re leaving Thursday. Should be a traffic nightmare by then.

    • Tomcat

      If they make all lanes of interstate outbound and local roads for both direction things might go better.

    • Tomcat

      That gives you two days so you should be alright. if not try and make it to Britton Florida, it is highest place in Florida 345 feet.

      • Tulle Christensen

        That is up near the Alabama border in the panhandle and near a likely landfall spot for Irma

        • Beagle

          I’m not sure there are any UNlikely Irma landfall spots in Florida.

      • UrsusArctos

        That part of Lower Alabama isn’t far enough inland to avoid a beating. The blackwater creeks come up FAST and you can get swamped through there fast.

    • zhera

      But where do you go? All the way to Georgia?

      • Tulle Christensen

        Yes at least to Valdosta, Macon or Atlanta would be even better

        • Karl Dubhe

          Canada’s nice this time of year. It’s early fall now.

          Well it’s supposed to be. But we’re still getting temps in the 30s (Celsius).

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Please be safe. Things are just things and can be replaced. You can’t be replaced. *hugs*

    • CB

      Good luck, and stay safe.

  • Alex in Idaho

    I guess we should stop bitching about the smoke up here (seems like half the NW is on fire), it could be worse…

    • Karl Dubhe

      In southern Alberta, where they’re harvesting, it’s so dry that the fields are catching fire. 🙁

      It could get worse…

      • Alex in Idaho

        It doesn’t take much! I know a farmer who only buys Chevy pickups because his Ford pickup started a field on fire.

        I was glad when the eclipse visitors left without starting a fire–when I lived back East, people threw cigarette butts out their car windows all the time, and they can’t be expected to change their habits just because they’re driving through a tinderbox.

        • Karl Dubhe

          In Calgary, it’s a $1000 fine if you chuck a butt out of your car. That’s anytime.

          Hmmm, in Edmonton it’s only $250. We should get that fixed. And it’s a civic election year for us. 🙂

          • Alex in Idaho

            $1000 is mouse nuts compared to the cost of fighting a fire.

          • Karl Dubhe

            Yep, those are city fines. The fires will be lit outside of them, and I don’t know what the MD’s down there charge in fines. (ok, I didn’t read the whole article on it.)

            I should hope they’re higher. I think I remember hearing of people being criminally charged if the fires are set deliberately. That might be used for chucking butts out of cars. After all, if the butt’s lit, it’s an attempt at arson.

          • SoCalGal20

            In CA if you start a fire and they can prove it’s you they can fine you the cost of the fire.

          • Alex in Idaho

            Most people don’t have that kind of money (can be millions). They should stick ’em on a fire crew and make ’em work it off (if they don’t roast first).

          • SoCalGal20

            Well, I don’t think the person is fined the coat of the fire most of the time. You can go to jail for being really stupid and negligent, too.

    • Tomcat

      All those dead trees from the beetle infestation in the entire USA.
      Because it no longer gets cold enough to kill the larva.

    • coram nobis

      Here’s the Federal InciWeb site for ongoing fires. The Eagle Creek fire in the Columbia River gorge has jumped the river; I-84 is closed.

      https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/

  • TheManicMechanic

    Remember, man-made climate change doesn’t exist, it’s just a way for Obama to get yer guns!

    • Tomcat

      And the Chinese to make and sell raincoats.

      • Ginger Snap

        Are they hurricane safe raincoats?

  • Lazycrockett
  • KarenAtFOH

    Rumor is that Naples will call for mandatory evacs tomorrow. They have been suggesting voluntary evacs all day. I expect I-75 to be jammed in the next day or two. Had a line of cars trying to park at Sam’s Club this afternoon.

    • Lazycrockett

      This is not a storm you ride out.

      • KarenAtFOH

        There are 12 million people in the line of fire down here. There aren’t enough hotel spaces in the whole country to take them. All hotels are now booked all the way into Georgia. All plane seats out are already booked.

        • Tomcat

          Yeah, that means the rich will be just fine.

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            Of course, how could you doubt that?

        • CanuckDon

          My siblings own a house in Sebring for winter vacations and rental accommodations. No one’s in it presently of course….is there the potential for great damage to it? I think it was built 15 to 20 years ago. Fairly solid house by the sounds of it. I’ve never had any desire to go there myself despite their endless invitations.

          • UrsusArctos

            Check the elevation for that address at the county website GIS. I posted some more info upthread.

          • CanuckDon

            Thanks

    • Danieruw

      Dammit. I’m in Lee Cnty and got a flight out from Orlando on Friday afternoon (lucky, I know). Maybe I should go up on Thursday…
      I can’t remember the last time I was this freaked out!

      • KarenAtFOH

        I live in Lee County. The winds won’t start picking up until Fri night, so you should be fine if you leave early enough to get through the traffic.

        • Danieruw

          Thank you Karen. Whatever you do, Please stay safe! We need all JMGers 🙂

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      I-75 is reportedly jammed now in Tampa Bay area.

  • Tomcat

    Evacuations are nice but the state needs to do their part and provide free bus train and any other possible free means provided by the state. Money should mean nothing at this time in Florida for evacuations.

    • bambinoitaliano

      I’m not sure how well prepared they are even if the fund is there. A big place like a stadium is needed to house and feed the crowds never mind just transportation of moving residents out. Also the estimate time for the refugees to be away from their home has to be taken into consideration.

    • HandyAndy

      The Keys are providing bus transportation to residents without vehicles up to the hurricane shelters in Miami. A lot of Key West residents don’t have cars, and rely on scooters and bicycles to get around.

      • SoCalGal20

        Is the only way to get off the Keys by the highway? Is there any sort of boat or ferry service to the mainland?

        • Johnny Wyeknot

          There was a train but that got wiped out in the 1920s hurricane.

          • SoCalGal20

            A train? Wow! Was it the same basic route as the highway?

          • coram nobis

            Yes. The right-of-way and some of the bridges are now US Hwy 1. The 1935 Labor Day hurricane destroyed the railroad, which till then had run down the Keys to Key West.

          • SoCalGal20

            Thanks for the info!

          • djcoastermark

            It is quite eerie seeing the remnants of the old railroad as you drive through the https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a27b4d5ae6efa43f03c84830e9780f2391382e642a75e47491f79989bc0e519.jpg 100 miles or so of the Overseas Highway down to Key West.

          • TampaDink

            Indeed. Especially knowing that many lives were lost when a train went into the drink.

          • Johnny Wyeknot

            Ah, 1935. Well, before my time in any event!

          • Johnny Wyeknot

            Growing up we used to drive out through the keys and you could see remnants of it 25-30 years later.

          • theonlyseven

            Yes, portions of the old railroad bridges still stand and can be seen from the highway. The idea was goods coming to America via the new Panama Canal would be shipped to Key West then loaded on a narrow gauge railroad for the mainland. It’s a really fascinating history.
            https://www.amazon.com/Last-Train-Paradise-Spectacular-Railroad/dp/1400049474

          • SoCalGal20

            Oh wow, thanks!

          • Tulle Christensen

            Until they replaced the bridges a few decades ago the highway was built on the old train bridges. Many are still standing and are used as fishing piers now

        • LesbianTippingHabits

          SoCalGal20, it’s either the Overseas Highway, U.S. 1, or maybe flying out of Key West International Airport.

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      I read somewhere that Florida Governor Rick Scott (R) authorized free tolls on highways. Given his reputation for chintziness [I am certain he is as parsimonious (cheap) as Donald Trump when it comes to tipping], this is significantly out of character. In other words, take it seriously!

      • theonlyseven

        Free tolls for hurricanes is SOP in Florida. They do it every time. It would be crazy not to.

  • Tomcat

    Don’t think you will be safe in Miami hotels, because you won’t. They will be cold wet and dark with no water or food.

  • SoCalGal20

    We have at least one JMGer who is stuck on one of the islands in the path and another who is concerned about his brother in Puerto Rico. Not everybody CAN evacuate.

    • Refugay

      I have an ex who lives in Vieques and works as a dive master-I sent him a message hoping he’s getting the hell out. I’d offer him a place to stay if he wasn’t such a hot head, lol.

      • SoCalGal20

        I wish him and everybody else in Puerto Rico the best.

    • billbear1961

      Mark is stuck on an island!

      I can’t understand why no way is provided to leave!!

      You’d think people marooned there could call the coast guard or something!

      This is an EMERGENCY!!

      • SoCalGal20

        I don’t know why he’s stuck there. I don’t think it’s one of the main islands which may be why.

        • billbear1961

          He said a “client flew him in.”

          Well, if the client won’t “fly him out,” I’d want to talk with the coast guard!

          It sounds–looks–like Mark could be in REAL danger!

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            Well, back in the olden days, people just rode out storms.
            Seriously, if there’s no way out, just hunker down.

          • Karl Dubhe

            Depending on the elevation of the island, that might not work out so well as a cat5 and the storm surge hit.

            These aren’t the olden days anyway. Not with the potential energy available to these storms. 🙁

          • billbear1961

            But this is a massive BEAST of a storm, that may wipe a small island out, strip it clean.

            I really think they should get off that island, and soon!

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            I agree, but if they can’t leave, then just make the best of it.
            [Not like Clayton Williams suggested, of course.] Thank you.

          • edrex

            as i recall — it’s been 25 years — the airport is tiny and most flights are on small planes. i wonder if they are more dangerous to fly at this point. also the island is very flat. i worry about the residents of anguilla as well.

          • billbear1961

            It surprises–shocks–me that, in an emergency like this, the coast guard wouldn’t evacuate them by ship, if necessary.

  • JCF

    Looks like a giant mummy bag is headed over Florida…

  • Hue-Man

    No one has mentioned that Haiti is a likely target – the country where Trump wants to deport thousands of people who live in the U.S. following the 2010 earthquake.

    • kareemachan

      And he’ll have the Elf announce it for him.

  • Ken M

    When does the “Pray and Blame” start?

  • JCF

    “It’s larger than the state of Ohio”

    But less heroin.

    Sorry, Ohio, but if you’re gonna vote for Drumpf, you’re gonna get mocked!

    But seriously: all in Irma’s path, stay safe!

  • DaddyRay

    Cloudy with a chance of Gas
    https://streamable.com/1objr

  • KarenAtFOH

    I live inland from Fort Myers, and commute 45 mi one way down to Naples every day. We’re waiting for the official NHC 5-day track to come a little farther north. The flip-flopping model runs are driving me crazy. Where I work, they have offered the staff to ride out the storm in a new hight school addition built to Cat 5 standards, with hurricane glass windows. It should be a good backup plan. My house is 2008, concrete block and stucco, hip roof, and I have plywood for the windows. I have a diesel generator. We are the highest spot in South Florida, so no flood worries. We may shelter in place unless Irma’s track is ridiculous. My stomach has been in knots for 2 days. It is unreal to drive in to work today and see all the beautiful trees, landscaping, and architecture of Naples, and realize I am looking at a “dead area walking”. We will certainly see hurricane winds of some strength, the only question is really, who will get the eye wall? This area was hit by Wilma, but the eye of Irma will strip trees and damage if not level buildings. Lots of money here, so no doubt many big and expensive housing projects will survive. Power may be out for many days, no gas, stores closed, roads blocked – ugh. Work is telling us not to come in Thursday and Friday and prepare at home instead, so that is good.

    • SoCalGal20

      Take care!

    • djcoastermark

      St Pete here just up the road from you. , Wood frame house built in the 60’s, remodeled and added on in 1990. On one of the highest points in the county. A whopping 40′ above sea level. Needless to say, we are a little on edge. We are lucky enough to have a shelter school a block and a half away. The school was also built a few years ago and is supposed to withstand a cat 5.

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    Events in the southern half of Florida are already being pro-actively cancelled.
    Environmentally unfriendly bottled water is all the rage, and supermarkets are out.

    • TampaDink

      On Tuesday afternoon I made a trip to Costco (here in Tallahassee, where I am house/pool/dog sitting for my bro & sis-in-law) for vodka. I figured that I could fill up my gas tank while I was there…but opted out of sitting in what appeared to be about a 90 minute line to purchase gas at $1.44 per gallon. I then went to the nearest grocery store to pick up a few items….fortunately, neither bread or bottled water were on my shopping list. I hope that this “panic” turns out to be for naught….but tomorrow I am driving home to Tampa to collect my spousal equivalent, pup, important documents & some family photos…to then return back up here…where we are further from the coast & on higher ground. Oh…and I continue to tip very generously, having worked in food service decades ago, I know how important that is for servers, bar tenders, etc.. 😉

      • kareemachan

        Fuck. Gas here is $3.87/gallon….

        • TampaDink

          OUCH! I think that my two tanks to get to & from Tampa were both about $2.64/gallon….I noticed a whole lot of stations with long lines & quite a few more that had no lines…because they were out of gas.

      • LesbianTippingHabits

        Thank you. Tips are good karma, and karma never lies.
        And only the wait staff knows for sure! Stay safe.

        • TampaDink

          Even though our financial situation is not the best, we always tip well. If we can’t afford to tip appropriately, we don’t eat out. (or drink away from home) I can’t even go without dropping a buck into the tip jar at the Cuban bread bakery that is around the block from us at home….for a $3.00 loaf of hot, amazing & addictive bread.
          My round trip was safe & uneventful.

  • UrsusArctos

    A word for my FL buddies.
    Check the elevation for your address at the county website GIS. Most of the extreme damage is from surge. If a home lies below the expected surge level, things can get bad fast. In addition to the surge height there are waves adding feet to the water depth. Surges can travel many miles inland as a tsunami can. Katrina drove over 40 miles inland here.
    Most FL residents THINK they know their elevation. Checking with the county GIS maps is safer since most of them are using more recent LIDAR mapping. That’ll give you an idea if you need to get out early. Check elevation on your most likely evacuation route too.
    Stay safe. We’re hoping it doesn’t make it into the Gulf or peninsula at all.

  • UrsusArctos

    Here’s a good site for guesstimating surge from NOAA. You can check the difference between a Categories on an interactive map.
    http://noaa.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=d9ed7904dbec441a9c4dd7b277935fad&entry=1

  • ultragreen

    Trump supporters, this Hurricane Irma thing is just more fake news from the media, so don’t you worry about those evacuation orders.

    • Tulle Christensen

      That is what Rush is saying

      • LesbianTippingHabits

        Rush Limbaugh knows something we don’t, perhaps.
        Like, yes, this is what all the models say, but we know what all the models were saying before last November’s election, right?
        Bottom Line: Consider the facts and make your own decision.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Le Select, in Gustavia St. Bart’s, home of Jimmy Buffet’s song Cheeseburger in Paradise will be taking a direct hit soon. Winds already are increasing. So sad…

  • Silver Badger

    Perhaps Joe could add a check in page so we know our fellow JMG friends are ok.

    • edrex

      good idea. i’ve been worrying abt folks who’s names i don’t even know. would be good to hear from folks affected.

      • Silver Badger

        I’ve sent a suggestion to Joe’s e-mail. Perhaps other could do so as well.

  • ultragreen

    I just found out that Trump owns an estate called “Castle of the Palms” on St. Martin’s, a French dependency. He’s trying to sell it from $28 million. Unfortunately for him, it lies in the direct path of Hurricane Irma. I predict a sharp price reduction.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/category-5-hurricane-irma-heading-directly-at-trumps-28-million-caribbean-mansion/

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    Whats next a great west coast 8.0 earthquake? Maybe mother nature will get us out of this mess. If we survive her wrath

    • coram nobis

      It’s fire season in the west. Here’s the Federal website for fires on US land —

      https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/

      — and for California fires where the state and local response is handling it.

      http://www.fire.ca.gov/current_incidents

      Fire season in the West, California in particular, is the most intense in September and October. The great Oakland Hills fire was on Oct. 20, 1991.

    • TampaDink

      As someone who is technically a 4th generation Floridian who has lived in Florida since I was eleven, with the exception of my 4 yrs. “up north” in college (in south Georgia)…I’m not ready to freak the fuck out. BUT since I’m currently up in Tallahassee house/dog/pool sitting for my bro & sis-in-law, I plan to return to Tampa tomorrow for a quick trip to gather up important papers, family photos, etc. (which includes my spousal-ish unit & our pup) and make a turn around trip back up here, where we will be slightly more inland & at a higher elevation; I am taking the threat of this storm seriously.
      And we’re never gonna survive, unless we get a little crazy.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fc67yQsPqQ

      • UrsusArctos

        I’m assuming you’re going US 90/98 and back roads to Tampa. Watch out for the nuts. But at least they’ll be LOCAL nuts who kind of know the roads. Stay safe.

        • TampaDink

          Thank you for your well wishes….but my game plan is to drive home tomorrow (unless Irma takes a drastic northerly right turn during what remains of the night) via my usual route…I-10 to I-75.
          I’ll be surprised (and ready to re-route my course) if southbound traffic is any different than normal. Since my plan is a quick turn around, I should know by observation (and I am, admittedly, not terribly observant!) whether we’ll need to use the Suncoast Pkwy. to U.S. 19 north. I’m counting on my “early” planning to avoid the worst of the evacuee traffic jams. Only time will tell. One thing I do know…in the wake of the damage of Harvey to the oil refineries in the Houston area, gas prices have soared.

          • kareemachan

            Stay safe.

          • TampaDink

            Thanks! My round trip went fine. As of now, it seems as though Irma will be more problematic for the east coast of FL. Either way, I’m glad that our little family has been reunited.

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            TampaDink, just tip generously for good service so good karma will accompany you on your journey. Yes, it works.

          • TampaDink

            At this point, I’m just hoping that my karma points have built up enough that my homeowners insurance policy will pay out without too much of a battle if Irma trashes it. We are glad & grateful to be safe & together at my brother’s home in Tallahassee.

  • coram nobis

    Coincidental collateral damage: cuts to FEMA and other disaster-related agencies. What timing!

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-budget-cuts-disaster-relief-4a20c76c231c/

    • TampaDink

      Also worth noting, “hair furor” has yet to nominate anyone to head up FEMA or NOAA. Those two agencies are currently under the guidance of leftover 2nd tier appointments from the previous (legitimate) administration.

      • Adam Schmidt

        Brock Long is the current administrator of FEMA (confirmed by the Senate in June). NOAA has had an appointment for the 2nd in command slot (who in a rare move for Trump appears to actually be competent at his job) but you’re right that the top slot hasn’t been filled yet.

        I suspect he’s looking for someone that will head NOAA that will be a climate change denier given Trump’s track record with other nominees.

  • Edmund Allin

    “Most powerful hurricane ever recorded over Atlantic Ocea” as per the Guardian. Stay safe, my darling Floridians.

    • TampaDink

      Thank you Edmund! We all are keeping our eyes on her & planning accordingly.

    • kareemachan

      While I want to emphasize that I want NO loss of life, I’m hoping Irma manages to totally cream the shit out of Mar a Lardo and any drumpster properties around.

      • LesbianTippingHabits


        Well, think of it as karma, and it’s more palatable to everyone:

        Tips are good karma.

        And karma never lies.

        And only the wait staff knows for sure.

        Yes, karma is real, and karma never lies.

        Thank you.

      • Edmund Allin

        I like the name – Mar a Lardo it is from now on! 🙂

  • BobSF_94117

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fb790bbc5975799da53ae2835f47a72bfb67554dbc393e654ab3b35d9394eb2c.jpg

    Me and five dogs packed into the guest bath, waiting for Irma. They haven’t seen the sleeping arrangements yet. They are not going to be happy.

    • Where are you — visiting Florida?

      • BobSF_94117

        East end of St Thomas.

        • LesbianTippingHabits

          Stay safe. ‘Thinking of you. Best wishes,

  • You can see how violent the storm is. Livecam from St. Bart. Hector is the nickname given to the palm tree. Large live audience right now making comments. The eyewall has not yet arrived.
    https://youtu.be/hG-GpHPkBoM

  • rextrek1

    I want it to spare ALL of Florida except DUMP’s Resort…Flatten that!