Mueller Enlists IRS Unit For Trump/Russia Probe

The Daily Beast reports:

Special counsel Bob Mueller has teamed up with the IRS. According to sources familiar with his investigation into alleged Russian election interference, his probe has enlisted the help of agents from the IRS’ Criminal Investigations unit.

This unit—known as CI—is one of the federal government’s most tight-knit, specialized, and secretive investigative entities. Its 2,500 agents focus exclusively on financial crime, including tax evasion and money laundering. A former colleague of Mueller’s said he always liked working with IRS’ special agents, especially when he was a U.S. Attorney.

And it goes without saying that the IRS has access to Trump’s tax returns—documents that the president has long resisted releasing to the public.

  • AmeriCanadian

    Ooh…maybe someone will finally leak the toddler’s full tax return!

  • AtticusP

    I sure hope that the fat lady is practicing her scales.

    Her act can’t happen soon enough to suit me.
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    • Hanwi

      My dad voted for the Don, it sucks but I understand why he did it. He is a man of very high character and I’d bitch slap anyone who had the balls to question his character to my face.

      • Ross

        Your dad is a man of very high character?

        Who voted for Trump?

        Sorry, these two pieces of information do not connect. The latter neutralizes the former.

      • AmeriCanadian

        So why did your dad vote for Trump? Enquiring minds want to know.

      • Dubito et cogitare

        Maybe you should have bitch slapped your dad instead.

      • picalane

        You must be in line for a big sweaty wad of money when the old man croaks, as long as you don’t get out of line before that event. It’s called selling out your ‘character’ and it often runs in the family.

        • Oh, Parker

          I had a friend who was like that. Never got a dime. Or a live-in partner. He stayed in the closet his entire life due to his parents and died at 58 before either of them did. Alone and lonely.

          • AmeriCanadian

            That must be very common because I knew someone like that as well. Very sad life. I could never do it, not for any amount of money. Life is WAY too short!

          • Oh, Parker

            Everyone in high school knew I was gay, and I got beat up all the time over it, quit at 16, got my GED, moved away and went to college. If I had it to do all over again I wouldn’t change a thing, except a couple of them might have had their heads split open by a fire extinguisher.

          • Todd20036

            I was closeted until I was in my early 20s. My mother said she would have been very disappointed if she found out she had a gay child, and I took it to heart.

            Eventually, I couldn’t keep it bottled up, and basically told my mother to either accept me as I am or get the fuck out of my life.

            My being the only successful child helped her “get over it”.

          • AmeriCanadian

            I’m not sure what your family life was like but it appears as if you had a healthy outlook in life. I could not admit that I was gay until I was in my early twenties even though everyone knew it in junior high and beyond. I was teased mercilessly, picked on, and occasionally physically attacked. Staff were sometimes part of the teasing or they would look the other way if it went beyond “innocent” teasing. This was in the late 70’s/early 80’s. Often I had thoughts of suicide. But I got through it and life got SO much better afterward. I’m glad I stuck it out. I’m not sure I would ever want to repeat those years but I’m living proof of the adage that if it doesn’t kill you, it makes you stronger! I’m sorry you went through that as well. No child should.

          • Oh, Parker

            Yeah, it was the late 70s for me as well. They still let the staff hit you using paddles with holes drilled in them for better contact in those days. One of the “guidance counselors” said there was a pecking order and I probably deserved it. I was being burned by cigarettes after school, knocked down and kicked in the head, and thrown down stairs and stabbed with things like drafting compasses while inside. But only my school life was bad, because the school was in a trashy mill town full of morons and alcoholics. I was raised on a farm in the country that was in the family for over 100 years, by my mother and a great-grandmother who lived through the depression and taught me how to as well. When I was home with them everything was wonderful. Glad you made it through those hard times, too. It’s something no straight person will ever fully comprehend.

        • Hanwi

          My dad is broke, my blood sucking mother took it all in the divorce. The fact that you first think of money as a motivator rather than love and understanding amplifies the black hole you have for a soul, I pity you.

          • picalane

            I’m not sure the hue of my soul, and you can spare me the pity since I doubt that’s ever helped. Actually my thought of money was the last logical conclusion I could make w/ your statement, “I’d bitch slap anyone who had the balls to question his character to my face.”

      • MBear

        The very act of voting for trump exemplifies a lack of “high character”.

        Thanks for playing, though.
        We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

      • Tomcat

        Congratulations you just won the block award.

      • Todd20036

        Your dad voted for someone who raped a child, bragged about assaulting women, was so racist he didn’t let blacks stay in his rental apartments, claimed Mexicans were rapists, and fantasized about Clinton being murdered.

        Your dad’s character sucks eggs.

        Your dad is a Nazi.

        Bitch slap THAT. You gullible idiot.

        • JCF

          Whereas my (then) 96 year old, WW2 vet dad, was proud to vote for Hillary! [As he had been proud to vote for Obama.]

      • j.martindale

        Please have him write me and explain how anyone of character could vote for a man who ridiculed the disabled, thought sexually assaulting women was okay when you are rich, called Mexican immigrants rapists, attacked member of the judiciary because of their heritage, and defrauded people with scams like Trump University would demonstrate any sense of morality. Sorry, you are just as full of bullshit as your dad.

      • Carl

        You’re an adult. You need to learn to stand up to your father.

      • Silver Badger

        I understand. You love your father, even if he is wrong. Be glad you have a father who could inspire your love.

        • Hanwi

          Thank you for understanding, you are one of the few here who has a heart and doesn’t see in black and white. My biggest fear in transition wasn’t getting beat up or killed, it was losing my father.

          • PeterC

            I understand you and your situation. I was almost 60 before I really admitted publicly that I was Gay.
            I was 41 when I quit my Federal Job; shortly after my boss asked me if I was Gay after it being discussed at the Supervise’s Office. At that time the Federal Government could fire anyone Gay. So now I have no federal retirement.
            Later I started looking for a Partner. My mother had died and My Dad was in a Care Facility.
            I have a partner for the last 29 years, and we are now legally married. I am now 79 so it is a good life.
            PS: I voted for Hillary.

          • Miji

            I respect that. Thankfully my immediate family is pretty Democratic, even though my mother has considered Republicans as a viable option more recently than I am comfortable with. I know from my own extended family that there are otherwise good people that vote Republican that are unfortunately blind to just how wrong and damaging the GOP’s policies are outside of their rural small-town white realms of existence. I make my views known and push back as much as I can. I hope that you are now in a place with your father that you can have those heart to hearts and maybe help him to see how wrong his political choices are and out of step with his otherwise good character.

      • Hanwi

        It disheartens me how many here would turn their back on a loving family member. Everyone who commented, except silver badger, is just as bad as christian parents who turn their LGBT children away. A fathers love is a fathers love. I’m sorry all of you love an ideal more than a parent.

        • Reality.Bites

          Really? Turning your back on an adult Nazi is the same as turning away an LGBT child?

          You think your father is a moral person, and I’m not going to argue with that or ask you to justify it.

          But lots of people here learned, to their horror, that some of the people they knew weren’t moral at all. They were voting for Trump BECAUSE he’s a fucking Nazi.

          There is nothing wrong with cutting Nazis out of your life.

          • Hanwi

            I feel sorry for you.

          • Todd20036

            Feel free to be an abuse victim Hnwi. The rest of us have had it

            If a family member voted for someone who wants you dead or in jail, then that means the family member doesn’t mind if you are dead or in jail.

            But hey, maybe you want to be dead or in jail just for being gay.

            Knock yourself out.

            Literally.

          • Hanwi

            I’m sorry you feel that way. Today I’ve lost a community for loving and understanding my father, sad day. You won’t hear from me anymore, not that any of you will shed a tear. Perhaps this is why so many queers are disenfranchised. The toxicity in this community is a plague on the soul.

      • TheManicMechanic

        Sorry, I’d question both of you point blank, and I pretty well can guess the reasons would be the usual talking points of conservatism that have zero grounding in demonstrable reality. You’d get first bitch slaps at any mention of Benghazi or emails.

        Now, I know some that voted that way because they are life-long Republicans. That still is no excuse. It was shown over and over again what a shit-poor selection Trump was going to be, and if he/you still went for him, it’s inexcusable.

        There are two scenarios I would forgive. Diminished mental capacity, and your attachment to him. My father-in-law makes a lot of stupid, redneck-y decisions, because that’s how he always has been. But he has not a bad bone in his body. He just doesn’t know any better, and s way too old to change.

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        I’m sorry, a man of ‘very high character ‘ could not, would not vote to extinguish his child’s rights and vote for someone who was so obviously a vile, contemptable human being obsessed with undoing everything Obama accomplished including everything gained by LGBT people. Downthread you lamented people who chose an ideal over a Fathers love, my existence and basic civil rights is not an ideal, it is the very core of my being. It is not for sale for a love that does not accept me for who and what I am but only ‘loves’ conditionally as long as it doesnt get in the way of their politics and doesn’t become an inconvenient reflection on them. Many years passed: addiction, alcoholism and suicidal ideation over the so called love and approval of a Father incapable of approving of anyone. I sought it all those years and got nothing. During the campaign I got sick of his loving what Lord Dampnut belated.
        So, in summary, I let go of the idea that a Fathers love was the end all and be all of my existence., it is not. Instead of threatening a bitch slap to those who oppose my opinion, I would offer a hug and hope you find the freedom to live untethered to the ideal of unconditional parental love.

      • vorpal 😼

        Go. To. Hell.
        And take your daddy with you.
        Your dad’s character is as high as a limbo bar at an ant convention.

        • Hanwi

          you are evil. This place is corrupt and has lost me, yet another.

          • vorpal 😼

            Good riddance.
            Unfortunately I don’t have even a single tear to shed at your departure to help put out the fires while America burns.

            And coming from you, thanks for the compliment. Maybe you’ll learn to think with your big boy (girl?) brain instead of brazenly accepting your daddy’s idiocy.

          • Hanwi

            a blue state just earned another red vote. my IQ will always render me useful and highly paid. y’all can officially fuck off, calling my father a nazi (not you specifically but collectively) falls in the unforgivable category.

            and that’s how it’s done, you turn an ally into an enemy.

          • vorpal 😼

            I don’t know your father and never called him a nazi.

            My IQ and substantially wealthy family background will always render me useful and almost certainly economically stable through my white privilege though extraordinarily challenging health circumstances.

            And I want socialized health care and programs in place so that ALL Americans can receive their due level of care in extreme hardship that I deserve no more than they do.

            I am no better than anyone. Our poorest, least cared for citizen is an indication of our failure.

            I am proud to donate to my fellow Americans to improve their quality of life, sacrificing some of my own if neccesary.

          • Palmer

            Good kitty gets head skritches!

          • agcons

            Right: you’re pissed off at the reaction you got here so now you’re going to vote Republican. You haven’t the maturity of a junior high school student.

      • ByronK

        I should sort on best more often – I wonder how many of these dust-ups I’ve missed! By brief observation after scanning the thread is that if you feared losing your father’s love to the point where it exceeded your concern for your physical safety and life, sorry, but I don’t consider that healthy and I think your need for approval during or after transitioning perhaps made you blind to any faults or failings of your father. A short story. During the election, before Trump had even one, I noticed that a cousin of mine was posting very pro-Trump things on FB. At first subtle but then it got worse. Seeing the escalation, I finally sent him a text. It went something like this: “I’m just letting you know that I’m unfriending you and blocking you. You’ve been very vocal about your support of Trump and I find that beyond disturbing. I’m afraid I do not want contact with a family member who supports a politician who attacks and endangers the civil rights, human rights, human dignity, and lives of the LGBT community. That is my community and I will not associate with someone who supports such a man. Goodbye.”

        And just to be clear, we’re both Canadian.

    • Judas Peckerwood

      Yup, a large portion of my family has been cut off forever. Actually, it was long overdue.

      • Oh, Parker

        Same here, and it was a relief.

        • Tomcat

          Me too.

      • Todd20036

        I’m lucky. The portion of my family that might have agreed with Trump was already cut off by the time Trump went into office, or are dead.

        My twin sister promised to help me escape America if if were necessary for me to run.

        Yes, I looked into that possibility seriously.

        • Oh, Parker

          We still keep an underground railroad of sorts open with straight friends in two spots, one in a town in Northern Indiana and one outside Detroit near Windsor, ON, where we have a friend who will take us in. Not taking any chances.

          • Todd20036

            Until Trump and even Pence are out of office, I will not rule out that possibility either.

        • Rambie

          lucky you, I’m stuck if the worst happens

        • FAEN

          Canada? The U.K.?

          • Todd20036

            Canada would be a first stop.

            But if I need alternate citizenship, my best bet is Israel.

            I’ll play the Jew-card if the alternative is a death camp

          • Steve Smith

            Wouldn’t bother with the UK right now. Many better places in Europe to be, ones that haven’t decided to become right-wing shitholes with stupid populations and bloody awful weather.

          • Cackalaquiano

            From my perspective on this side of the pond, the idea of the UK as a right-wing shithole? Y’all don’t know nuthin’.
            “NOBODY descends into right-wing shitholiness as good as ‘Murica”

    • JWC

      For all of those snots who didn’t vote at all its says a lot about you as well

      • AtticusP

        Also, it’s the Bernie supporters that voted for Trump that I will never understand.

        “I don’t like that Bernie Sanders got cheated out of the nomination, so I think I’ll vote for the ignorant megalomaniacal misogynistic fascist instead.”

        • JWC

          To my way of thinking Bernie Hung in to long and split Hillary’s vote

          • DCLXVI

            Bernie was not a candidate on November 8. Your logic is, at best, spurious.

          • Todd20036

            Bernie made a lot of would be Clinton voters so despondent that they stayed home – especially when he claimed that Hillary stole the Nevada primary from Bernie.

          • DCLXVI

            My larger point is that I find it so frustrating that the readers of this forum continue to focus on minor differences between friends while our mutual enemy burns down the world.

          • Todd20036

            You really don’t get it.

            Many of those who voted for Bernie because Clinton wasn’t pure enough will STILL choose ideology over pragmatism and allow a republican Nazi to win the WH again because they wasted their vote on someone who couldn’t possibly win.

          • DCLXVI

            And I argue the number of people who fit in this category are statistically inconsequential compared to the number of people who excitedly and willingly voted for Trump.

          • Todd20036

            They would be inconsequential, if we elected in a genuine democracy instead of a democratic republic.

            Instead, Clinton losing states by 10,000 votes was enough for her to lose the election despite beating Trump by 3 million votes.

          • DCLXVI

            I choose to focus my hatred on those that voted for Trump rather than those that did not vote or pissed it away on a third party. To each his or her own…

            The past is the past. Rehashing old wounds does little to help unify the left against the current reality.

            And for the record, I voted for Clinton in the GE.

          • Carl

            But those numbers are a factor whether you focus on them or not.

          • DCLXVI

            I am a statistician and understand well the mathematical realities of our stupid electoral college.

            I rarely comment. I am just so tried of seeing this left on left bickering replay over and over again. I am terrified by the present and wish to focus on the future.

          • northern_neighbour

            It was long thought … (long shot?) … by virtually all the pundits of conventional wisdom, that Trump could not win …. but, … unfortunately ….

            ,,, and one of the reasons why US of Amerika is now a laughingstock around the globe ….

            ( I mean …?? what kinda morons could have voted for such a crapola bullshitting toxic nutjob ?? the whole world wonders … and shudders …. )

          • Todd20036

            Hell, I still wonder, and I fucking live here.

            Though I do live in a gay, blue oasis. DC is like a freaking force shield from the Nazis.

          • Carl

            We really can’t both sides this shit away. We have a naive fringe that is not acting in good faith. They are not about policy. Policy is not the point. These people are chasing an emotion. They’re about projecting their anger on the Democratic party. Democrats can’t satisfy people whose identity hinges on portraying themselves morally superior to the Democratic party.

          • tomfromthenews

            Hello, Susan Sarandon.

          • Beagle

            Um…I think Carl is saying that we should ignore the Susan Sarandons.

          • tomfromthenews

            I just chose SS as a high profile example of what he’s talking about. I’m having a hard time ignoring, forgetting, or forgiving her stance.

          • Beagle

            Sounds like I misunderstood you — my apologies.

          • tomfromthenews

            No worries.

          • Carl

            I admit I was confused at first too.

          • JWC

            I know he wasn’t but he still hung on to long

          • Reality.Bites

            To my way of thinking, if you’ve never been an elected for a party, or held an internal post for that party, you have no business running for their nomination.

            This system where any old, white egomaniacal idiot can decide he’s a Democrat or a Republican needs to change.

          • JWC

            Trump was a democrat and Bernie should have let Hillary have it

          • Reality.Bites

            He should never have been allowed to run as a Democrat.

            In other countries you can’t just declare you’re part of a party and they have no control over it.

          • JWC

            Never like him or his policies

          • FAEN

            But we are not other countries.

          • j.martindale

            Give him credit. He was a strong suppporter at the end. It was his followers who failed.

          • Carl

            He should never have promised a “revolution”. That’s like playing with fire.

          • ceeenbee

            Bullshit. He damaged HRC incalculably and was far to late in coming around. Yes, his followers failed but, he failed his followers.

          • j.martindale

            He waited until the primaries were over. That is fair. He also ONLY argued issues against Clinton, never attacking her personally. No, I can forgive him. I don’t forgive those that failed to vote or voted against Clinton.

          • Miji

            I think it’s a stretch to say he never attacked her personally just because he didn’t attack her about personal matters. He attacked her character. He railed against the “corrupt campaign finance system” and with a broad brush, basically implied that anyone fundraising in a typical manner was corrupt by extension. He also repeatedly implied if not saying outright that one couldn’t being paid speaking fees by someone without being essentially “owned” by them. I think he essentially took the doubts laid by Republican talking points over the last 25 years and implanted them into the democratic left and laid the groundwork for Trumps “Crooked Hillary” smear. I think that’s pretty personal.

          • JWC

            He stayed in long ebuff to enable his followers to split the party

          • bkmn

            He had plenty of surrogates who kept stirring the pot right up until election day and he did not shut them down

          • FAEN

            At the end Bernie apparently couldn’t control/persuade to vote for Hillary.

          • j.martindale

            Hillary was always my candidate. I thought she was our best bet. The things Bernie said about her, with regard to ties to Wall Street and such, were not totally unreasonable, and were a big factor in why Bernie had a following to begin with–the idea that the rich are getting more than their fair share of the nation’s wealth. So while I wish he could have done more, he WAS out on the stump for her, and I blame the voters for the debacle, not him personally. I sure as hell hope he stays out of the way next time, though. His day has passed.

          • bkmn

            Bernie did to Hillary (his former Senate collegue) exactly what the GOP has been doing to her since she worked on healthcare under Bill’s admin – made her toxic to part of the public

          • JWC

            Personally I never liked Bernie or what he stood for

          • vorpal 😼

            I liked Bernie a lot. I just recognized that he wouldn’t appeal to the majority of Americans, unfortunately. Change happens incrementally, and not in leaps and bounds with few exceptions. Almost everyone could find a reason to not relate to him although I though his ideas were generally reasoned.

            I still would have much preferred to see Hillary sitting with her diplomatic expertise in the White House instead of the orange shit storm that cannot be contained. Smart lady with real, considered plans instead of empty promises and no trajectory to get to them..

          • JWC

            Ya he just wasn’t my cuppa How are you feeling better I hope

          • vorpal 😼

            One day is great and I’m all mobilized to Make Vorpal Great Again… and the days like today where I am inextreme agony and and can only shuffle to the couch and back to bed and that’s about it.

            External severe stress levels that have probably been the biggest factor in triggering this outbreak have FINALLY after months almost been mitigated and I can start to relax. I’m hoping in the interim that the new meds I am getting prescribed won’t make me feel like half the day I’m birthing a watermelon.

            I’m cautiously optimistic as things stand. I have a lot of really amazing people and support systems in my life, both in family and friends and doctors, and we’re all working to Make Vorpal Great Again! (I PROMISE: NO TACKY HATS.)

            I’m cautiously optimistic and really appreciate your checking in with me, sweet JWC. Love seeing our posts here. You are a gem.

          • JWC

            I care about people

          • vorpal 😼

            You are a true treasure to this community. Love your posts and the happy distractions they bring. Thank you, friend!

          • JWC

            Hugs back to you

          • Todd Allis

            May you continue to feel better! I would buy a Make Vorpal Great Again hat, if it were black and had cat ears.

          • JT

            Aww, sweetie, I hope those better days come along very soon for you!

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            I PROMISE: NO TACKY HATS.

            How about this, instead. 🙂
            Wearing it makes even doing housework a pleasure.
            Get well.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a86ae908736661418ac8abd29aa24f1d9b220f915e038411547cec87bbfc3d4e.jpg

          • vorpal 😼

            Hahahaha! I should get me one of those! Then the hubby might start doing as I say! (A little gold bell to get his attention couldn’t hurt, either.)

          • Rambie

            Get well soon Vorpal

          • Beagle

            Take care of yourself and feel better soon. With snuggles from our black cat, Coco — he’s a natural caregiver.

          • vorpal 😼

            Snuggles to sweet Coco (love those black boy kitties) and thanks to you!

          • CityWOOF

            He definitely would have beat .45 though!

          • Rambie

            “He definitely would have beat .45 though!”

            I’m not so sure of that, the GOP’ers had plenty of ammo against him they were holding onto. Some of it’s leaked.

            Plus, like others, I believe the Russian trolls and bots who were Bernie-Bros in the primary would have been turned against him just like they were against Hillary.

          • JT

            Bernie could have done much more to try to influence HC to move more in his direction. That might have helped both his policies and her electoral chances. But instead, he arrogantly opposed himself to her until he had done enormous damage to both. I used to think well of him, but his conduct during the campaign, especially in the later stages, especially his arrogance and self-righteousness was appalling.

          • PeterC

            But, he only had two ideas.

          • JCF

            This.

          • UrsusArctos

            Yes/no. HRC had been an industrial sized hate machine flinging poo at her for almost 40 years. People are giving Bernie too much credit for dragging her down. What hurt the most to watch was people not making the better choice between a qualified but disliked woman and a flaming pile of vileness.

          • JWC

            There is a lot said there for those that voted Trump and those that showed us all in utter smugness and didn’t vote at all

          • Skokieguy [Larry]

            And I suspect a lot of the online Bernie support was Russian trolls and bots. This may have even swayed Bernie to stay in the race longer, thinking his message was resonating and he was serving a noble purpose.

        • DCLXVI

          While I am sure some of these people exist, I serious doubt there are as many of them as you think.

          Virtually everyone I know, hundreds of friends and acquaintances, was a Bernie primary voter and a Hillary general election voter. I know only one who voted for Jill, and did so only because Hillary had her state locked down. I don’t know a single Bernie supporter that voted for Trump or did not vote at all.

          Place the blame where it belong; with Trump supporters.

          • Dubito et cogitare

            My useless brother, the Poster Child for Planned Parenthood, was a big Bernie supporter who voted for Trump. One more reason I don’t speak to him.

        • m_lp_ql_m

          How to tell a Russian hacker (effectively, if not in actuality):
          1) HillBro
          2) BernieBot
          3) Someone who, after all these months, still can’t seem to stop blaming one or both of the above.

        • jerry

          Bernie led more of a cult than a political movement…only he was a pure enough liberal, only he was uncorrupted by big business and Wall Street. When his race ended, too many of his followers still believed the hype. His followers still remind me of Linden LaRouche and his groupies.

        • FAEN

          According to Vice News 30% of Bernie supporters voted for Cheeto out of spite and because they didn’t think he was going to win.

          • UrsusArctos

            Idjits. I wasn’t thrilled with HRC, but I live in the reality based world and chose the less distasteful and less harmful pill.

        • vorpal 😼

          “It’s either my way or I take my ball and go home, pop it, and then light it on fire.”

      • Carl

        But I can forgive that if they’re young and they learn from it. Trump voters looked at this bottomless pit of depravity and made justifications.

        • JWC

          and still do

    • Tomcat

      You won’t be able to find a trump supporter once he gets caught. They will all say they did not vote for him.

      • Todd20036

        Easily cornered. Just ask how they feel about Obamacare…

        • FAEN

          “I hate Obamacare but I love the ACA.”

          • UrsusArctos

            That’s 2017’s version of “Love the sinner, hate the sin”.

      • Dramphooey

        Wrong. You’re talking about people who defend traitors who actually tried to destroy the United States of America about one hundred and fifty years ago.

        • Jeffrey

          But republicans took 20yrs to start defending Reagan.

          • J Ascher

            No, I was around during Reagan’s time in office and he was being lionized even then.

        • bkmn

          Until Fox reprograms them. Two years ago they would have said Russia can not be trusted. And look at them now.

        • Joe in PA

          Exactly…Fox Noise will tell them what to think. 🙁

      • Jeffrey

        “Donald who? Ive never heard of him,” said Mrs. Gotrocks as her maid filled her tub with rosewater and the blood of seventeen virgins.

      • Carl

        Some of them are in far too deep to ever deny it. Their only hope is to move.

      • DreadPikathulhu

        “I knew he was a crook all along!”

      • Anastasia Beaverhousen

        I will be spray painting “Trump” on their homes.

        • Oh, Parker

          Use orange, or maybe yellow.

        • Mike

          maybe a line of memorial trump guinea pigs

      • No More GOP.

        I’d like to think you’re right, but there truly is no reasoning with the kind of people who are still supporting him at this point. Denial is a powerful, powerful force.

        • DaMoldBrok

          Yes, you are correct, the Nile riv….oh, De-Nile ,that’s different.

          Carry on

      • UrsusArctos

        I don’t think they’re as smart as the “W” supporters that evaporated once he hit bottom. 45* supporters are PROUD of his antics and vileness.

      • CottonBlimp

        Trump will disappear from Republican memory entirely, like Bush did. They’ll be like “remember when Obama didn’t do anything for the victims of Hurricane Harvey because he was too busy trying to kill the ACA?”

    • Carl

      I can tolerate the apathetic nonvoters if they go about their happy way, but Trump voters are a deal breaker. I’ll keep my distance.

      • The trump voters who truly bother me, are the conservative religious voters. They voted for a man who’d never been in a church, obviously didn’t know the bible, and had been married and divorced 3 times. And to put the cherry on this shit sundae, he bragged about having sex with numerous women. He is the person they should have been trying hard to vote against! But the religious group are a one issue voter, abortion.

        • UrsusArctos

          Don’t forget us H-o-m-e-r-s-e-x-u-a-l-s doing all that gay marrying and icky ghey secks.

          • True, but their over riding concern is denying abortion and birth control.

    • Philly Mike

      Spoken, Published, Texted upon deaf senses, they have no remorse.

    • j.martindale

      Amen

    • safari

      Nah. They’ll just say they were against Hillary.

      • I have several acquaintances who said those exact words!

        • Reality.Bites

          Someone who could think Trump was better than Hillary has, in my opinion, forever lost the right to opine on any issue.

          The most charitable thing one could say about a Trump voter is that they’re an idiot.

      • RoFaWh

        They preferred to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

    • Nic Peterson

      Bobby M needs 13 coils in his slip knot. Hurry!

    • bambinoitaliano
      • JCF

        Detoxx!

  • Tom G

    “A former colleague of Mueller’s said he always liked working with IRS’ special agents, especially when he was a U.S. Attorney.” This is fun.

  • MikeBx2

    Fasten your seat-belts. As the pressure mounts, there’s no telling what President Nutjob will do.

  • JWC

    That loud Spluuurt I thibnk Donny just crapped himself

  • MassageBear
    • JCF

      What’s w the ginormous hands? O_o

  • MassageBear
    • shellback

      Oh well. These things happen.

      • another_steve
        • shellback

          Her piano sounds more like a tiple or mandolin.

          • another_steve

            Doris Day, back in the day, might have turned me straight.

          • shellback

            It didn’t work for Rock Hudson.

          • Gianni

            I always wonder how in so many movies, they’ll have someone supposedly plunking away on a piano and they’re accompanied by an unseen orchestra. I hear a mandolin in the song.

          • Bluto

            I don’t think we should we be discussing America’s sweetheart’s tiples.

    • ColdCountry

      Don’t tease.

    • another_steve

      “Passed out mid-tweet. Cocaine overdose suspected.”

    • AtticusP

      Tens of thousands line up to urinate on his grave.

      • another_steve

        The inscription on his tombstone:

        “I have the most people, ever, urinating on my grave!”

      • Todd20036

        Aww man. I just got over my explosive diarrhea.

      • 3+ million is more like it.

        • another_steve

          That’s how many more people cast votes for Hillary Clinton than for Trump.

          Appropriate.

      • Galvestonian

        Some years from now many people will wonder at the huge hill that is over the grave and library of former President Trump . Many will marvel at its fertility and the richness of the soil . It will be preserved and marked as a National Monument as the shit of 30 million Americans and beautifully planted with hundreds of thousands of plants of ‘Deadly Nightshade’ with their little purple flowers, just to remind the public of the total poison of the 45th Presidents Administration.

        • AtticusP

          A pyramid of American shit.

          What a fitting metaphor for Trump and all he stands for.

        • Oh, Parker

          Well the library will be small. You don’t need a lot of room for one copy of Mein Kampf.

          • bzrd

            size of the toilet room with one shelf containing the mein kampf joined by art of the steal, arpaio’s intellectually inspiring bs, clark’s rattletrap book, iwanka’s how to sell shit to the stupid, with soon to be written, the Resident Nazi’s take on prison cuisine

          • Snarkaholic

            “I LOVE green baloney…it’s the color of MONEY!” Chump, definitely

        • another_steve

          Yes… but tell us what you really think of Donald Trump, Galvestonian.

          😉

      • UrsusArctos

        It would make Hurricane Harvey look like a a spring shower.

      • Carl

        Is that considered a sex crime. I’d love to urinate on his grave but I don’t really want to have to notify my neighbors….

        • Snarkaholic

          Don’t worry about that; I sense a business opportunity: upon finding out, they may PAY you to stand at their upstairs windows and pee on religious shills and other unwanted “visitors.”

    • Philly Mike

      I like the image BUT the tie is too short and not red, give me more fantasy than this.

    • Carl

      Every morning after I get out of the shower I turn on the computer and check the headline at HuffPo hoping today will be the day….

      • Reality.Bites

        Joe will have it first.

    • The_Wretched

      Don’t do that!

  • JWC

    ah Rachel’s gonna be good

  • Mike C

    To be a fly on the wall in the West Wing tonight.

    • another_steve

      General Kelly:

      “Mr. President, put the phone down please. Your proposed tweet calling Mr. Mueller a “fuckin’ pig Democratic Socialist Benghazi lover” would be totally inappropriate, sir.”

  • Ross
    • Brian Burleson

      Me too. Lock. Him. Up. (tRump that is) sorry three more.

  • JWC

    anyone heard anything of Ivanka and Jared

  • stevenj

    Keep them doggies rollin’….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE

  • another_steve

    Get it over with, goddamnit.

    Release his tax returns to the media. Arrest him, Melania and Ivanka. Make Jared my sex slave.

  • MassageBear
    • Reality.Bites

      Someone found Christopher Cantrell’s baby pictures?

      • m_lp_ql_m

        Baby picture? That’s from last week.

    • another_steve

      I hate it when you blow bubbles out of your nose.

      I’ve done that.

      • Reality.Bites

        I’m still trying to find Michael Jackson’s recording of “I’m Forever Blowing Bubbles.”

        I’ve never heard it, but several people have told me it was one of his favourites.

        • UrsusArctos

          Ew. Just Ew. ;D

  • Zeldacat

    It’s a good thing I get paid tomorrow because I’m going to need money to buy a shit-ton of popcorn!

  • Oh, Parker
    • Lazycrockett

      That looks like a young Louis Anderson.

    • Paris

      If only I’d been that cute, how different it all might have been.

  • ColdCountry

    The dike is cracking wider and wider.

    • another_steve

      Is this a dike that comments here on JMG?

      If so, I think you owe her an apology.

      • ColdCountry

        Given my talent for using homophones, and my lack of talent for spelling, I double checked the spelling on that, isle have ewe no!

  • MassageBear
  • MikeBx2
  • Richard B

    Does anyone believe Donald Trump filed truthful accurate tax returns?
    This is how the US took down Al Capone.
    Hurry up Robert Mueller, hurry up before he does more damage!

    • Tomcat

      I believe they will find he lied about having offshore accounts.
      That is a felony to lie about that on your taxes.

      • Snarkaholic

        There’s also the YUUUGE disparity between his (recorded) bragging/lies about how much money he made and how much he actually claimed on his returns.

  • MonochromeMouse

    The dumbasses are about to start screaming about that time under Obama that all the conservative organizations with shady accounting got in trouble for having shady accounting.

  • Lazycrockett

    Has Drumpf tweeted lately?

    • Carl

      You can bet he’ll be tweeting up a storm tomorrow.

      • UrsusArctos

        Only after sunset.

  • MassageBear
  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    This is taking far too long. The evidence is there, clear as day, what’s the fucking hold up?

    • Tomcat

      Good things come to those who wait.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Maybe so, but there are forces at work trying to derail Mueller…time is short…time to act.

        • Tomcat

          Nothing is getting done while he is being investigated so time is on our side. Once he is out Pence and GOP screw us to the wall.

    • MBear

      Hopefully dotting i’s & crossing t’s, but the pessimist in me says it’s all cleverly orchestrated distraction theatre

    • Gianni

      Get used to waiting. Such investigations into the possible shady doings of a president with the possibility of criminal charges and/or removal from office take a long time. Before presenting any charges, the investigating counsel will make absolutely sure that he has gathered ALL of the facts and buttoned up his case tightly so there will be no surprises later. We’re likely looking at a possible year or more as the investigation digs in.

    • Ken M

      Although it may seem like forever, keep in mind, he’s only been around for 7 months. Most common man trials take at least that long, or longer. Bill Clinton’s went from Arkansas to DC, and ended with a sticky dress.

    • Hue-Man

      The cast of criminals seems to increase every single day.

      • Dagoril

        The Russians gave us War and Peace, remember. Try keeping all of those people straight 😉

    • Homo Erectus

      It’s only been 8 months fer chrissakes.

  • Tomcat

    Trump is going down like a prom dress.

  • Benji

    The beginning of the end, finally the madness can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

  • Rocco

    💦☔️Those drops are getting bigger! Drip…drip…drip…breaks into happy dance…

  • Tomcat

    Trump can be pardoned, but that does NOT stop impeachment.

    • But not for state crimes. And at this stage of the program, I’m not sure pence would be willing to pardon all his crimes.

      • Treant

        I’m not sure Pence survives this. We already know of Questionable Stuff.

        • True, there is so much crime and treason in the air, it’s tricky to keep my score card updated. There! I put a nice red X thru pence. Oh, lordy, then that means it could be Orrin Hatch.

          • UrsusArctos

            Who’s #435 in the House seniority list? It looks like they may have a shot. Crap! It’s a GOPer from SC. Ralph Norman South Carolina 5

  • Bluto
    • Rocco

      Lol…very nicely done.

    • shellback

      I love this photo. Let’s hope it is a prediction of the future.

    • another_steve

      The Putin pinups…perfect.

      • Oh, Parker

        The accurate inauguration photo is killing me, too.

        • UrsusArctos

          All that “white” area was his Klan friends in their best hoods.

      • Snarkaholic

        I also love the 2(0) scoops Betty cartoon.

    • Homo Erectus

      Way too skinny. Just sayin’

      • bzrd

        no micky deez in the clink

  • Tomcat

    They might even get him for New York income tax evasion if he lied about his income and THAT cannot be pardoned by Pence. I would love that.

  • Lazycrockett

    Don’t get too excited folks, Drumpf ain’t going anywhere as long as he does what the GOP wants him to do.

    • Tomcat

      They are slowly back walking away from him. Soon they will be saying Trump who.

    • MikeBx2

      If/when there is irrefutable proof that Trump has committed a crime, I think they’ll turn on him and force him out one way or the other. But I agree, until there’s proof he will remain POTUS. Unpopular, but still POTUS.

    • MassageBear

      Betcha he’s packing already for Russia.

  • Ken M

    I am so loving this guy. He is showing no fear. Pulling out every legal punch. And it’s working. Thank You Robert ! Keep up the good work. I wanna send him a Thank You email : )

    • I wanna kiss him.

      • Vinnie NYC

        And I wanna relax certain parts of him, slowly

    • The_Wretched

      I’m cautiously optimistic.

  • m_lp_ql_m

    Wasn’t tax evasion what brought down Al Capone eventually?

  • Karl Dubhe

    Can he pardon himself over tax issues?

    I still can’t believe I’m asking that kind of question.

    • Tomcat

      Not state tax fraud.

      • Tomcat

        And pardon does not stop impeachment.

        • UrsusArctos

          The slimy, cowardly, avaricious, GOP asses sitting the House stop impeachment. Nothing will happen until they’re more afraid of keeping 45* than dumping him.

    • Treant

      Federal, yes, state, no.

      And as Tomcat noted, pardoning does require admission that you committed the crime. That should be a slam-dunk in terms of impeachment–in a duly fair Congress, of course.

      • coram nobis

        And Eric Schneiderman (NY AG) seems to be linking up with Mueller. That suggests that he’ll be there if Mueller is removed and he’ll be there if it’s no longer a Federal case.

        • Treant

          I do wonder if Schneiderman is acting, additionally, as a data backup to Mueller. At least in part.

          “Release this if they find my body in Trump Tower stabbed in the back.”

      • sfbob

        This is going to be a point of contention with respect to Arpaio’s pardon. Arpaio’s attorneys are asking not simply that the sentencing phase of his trial be ended (which of course it would be since there’s no point in sentencing him)). They ALSO want the judge, on the basis of the pardon, to throw out the conviction based on the theory that the pardon actually erases the conviction! Which, IMO, is complete BS. I hope the judge refuses. There seems to be some controversy as to what a presidential pardon actually does. And it’s never been put to the test. This could get interesting.

    • The_Wretched

      I’m pretty sure the pardon power doesn’t extend to himself.

  • Tomcat

    There has to be some reason to audit a persons taxes EVERY year and it is not because they think he is honest and want to prove it.

    • another_steve

      His returns show his financial ties to Russia.

      That’s why he’s refused to release them.

    • Ross

      We don’t know for a fact that Trump is audited annually.

      We only have his word for that.

      (My latter sentence speaks for itself…)

      • Tomcat

        Yeah and we know he NEVER lies and that is a lie.

      • Tomcat

        I still cannot believe the IRS has not leaked anything yet. damn they are tight. I bet if I were being audited they would tell on me however.

        • another_steve

          I’ve been wondering about that too.

          My guess is that they froze access to his returns on IRS’s intranet system to only select IRS higher-ups. The paper returns are probably kept in a safe somewhere.

      • -M-

        True. True. And true.

        Although with the ridiculous way his business is structured it wouldn’t be surprising if they always got flagged.

    • Homo Erectus

      My accountant told me that if the IRS audits you once and everything is in order they will never audit you again.

  • Ahh, and now we know what the tweet about Mexico paying for the wall was all about. He’s known about it since then, and thought the news would have dropped sooner.

    • Tomcat

      Explain????

      • The day Harvey landed or close to that time, cheetolini tweeted about Mexico paying for the wall, out of nowhere.

        • RoFaWh

          He’s nuts.

  • shellback

    Robert Mueller is like jeezis for thinking people.

    • Tomcat

      And trump is like jeezis for idiots.

      • coram nobis

        Trump is like KY for emoluments. Difference being that KY is water soluble.

      • m_lp_ql_m

        Jeezis for jeezisians.

  • Do you think Orange Caligula will resign before he lets his returns be made public record?

    • boobert

      I don’t think him resigning will stop the investigation .

    • Tomcat

      No! He is too into himself to think he can be caught.

    • another_steve

      Love to you for “Orange Caligula.”

    • stevenj

      Depends on ratings projections.

  • coram nobis

    Poirot is getting close to the final scene.

    • Hank

      Bring in Miss Marple!

      • coram nobis

        I was thinking of Deputy Commissioner Lebel.

        • another_steve
          • coram nobis
          • another_steve

            Sir Derek Jacobi, our openly gay brother, is an absolute treasure in our day.

            How lucky we are to have this enormously talented man in our midst.

          • Lazycrockett
          • Lazycrockett
          • another_steve

            He’s so adorable. One wanted to…I dunno…eat him in that show.

            I wasn’t crazy about the show, though. Ian McKellen has fine comedic timing – but Derek Jacobi, not so much. Jacobi is by nature and training such a classical perfectionist that his lines came across as Shakespearean, not comedic.

            The whole thing had a sort of “Boys in the Band” feel to it – which worked in the 1960s and 70s but not so well in the current day.

            All of the above imo.

          • Lazycrockett

            The writing was average at best, but it was a joy just to watch the cast.

            I mean Frances de la Tour, nuff said.

          • another_steve

            Ohmigod Frances de la Tour.

            To die for.

          • Ernest Endevor

            I was in As You Like It with her years ago.

          • another_steve

            Envy.

            Multiple envy.

          • Ernest Endevor

            You didn’t see it. Frankie was okay. Also a lot of fun. Terrible production. I was terrible. Very good Celia. And we all enjoyed watching Bob Hoskins try to remember his lines as Touchstone. The hubby directed Frankie a few times to much greater effect. She’s a seriously gifted comic actress.

          • ben-andy

            Was she Rosalind? Or Audrey?

          • Ernest Endevor

            Rosalind.

          • bambinoitaliano
          • JCF

            “It’s Ash!”

          • Bluto

            Mr Crockett, I notice your posts always receive numerous down votes. For instance, this innocuous post of yours has received 5. May I suggest you review the people following you on Disqus & purge the roll of trolls such as red pill, who have nothing better to do than stalk & down vote sane people. It’s petty of course & vote count doesn’t mean anything, but good people shouldn’t have to tolerate being harassed by assholes.
            I suggest everyone examine their followers or set their profile to private. You’re not the only one being targeted by petty trolls.

    • UrsusArctos

      I was hoping it would be more like an Inspector Morse Mystery. If there’s not 5-8 corpses in an episode it’s not being made.

  • ian

    Glad to see the investigation proceeds apace, but I can hardly wait for it to be complete. As the investigation seems to expand patience is required. I would like it to be done right now, but I want it to be unassailable too. Patience.

    • sfbob

      I want it to take out as many Republican scumbags as possible. Including Pence, Ryan and McConnell.

      • RoFaWh

        Take out Trump and put the fear of gawd into the rest of them.

        • sfbob

          They’re all so arrogant; they probably think they’re above the law. So the only way to school them is to prosecute them. As they are all dirty and in on the con there’s every reason to do so. Same goes for quite a few other Republicans in Congress. Plus Sessions of course.

      • ian

        That would be great. Probably not going to happen though.

  • MikeBx2
  • Gianni

    One can only hope that when the investigation looks at his tax returns, someone leaks some figures or a copy. It would be just like peeking under the covers and seeing something very revealing.

    • Jeffrey

      They will be public eventually.

      • Gianni

        I’d love to see it drop like a bomb and then have Donnie go off the deep end in his rage.

        • Jeffrey

          The fullest possible pants.

  • bambinoitaliano
  • Michael R
  • Jeffrey

    “Nothing to see here. Time to close down the investigation. They’re clearly not finding anything.” Fox News

    • bambinoitaliano

      You know every time Mueller getting close, the shit gibbon propaganda network will start spinning the opposite.

  • Tomcat

    Why is it we cannot lie to congress but congress can lie to us?
    And yet they work for us.

  • coram nobis

    Ratcheting in on the racket.

  • MikeBx2

    They’re going to need more lawyers…
    https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/903411464370827269

  • Galvestonian

    oh ho … now we’re down to serious shit – money ! … and you just know that if it were a drug – Trumpini would be mainlining it, smoking it, coking it, cooking it, eating it, sucking it, inhaling it shoving it up his ass, in his ears, eyeballs and just bathing in it

  • Lazycrockett
  • Lazycrockett

    Joy is in for Rachel!!

  • JCF

    JOY!!!

  • Tomcat

    Damn Rachel sure gets a lot of days off.

    • Lazycrockett

      Labor Day weekend.

    • JCF

      She’s the hardest working person in TV news (IMHO).

      • ben-andy

        and has the ratings to show for it!

  • DaddyRay

    I wonder if Trump wrote off purchasing Melania

    • Tomcat

      Her passport probable cost him a lot on mula.

      • DaddyRay

        You misspelled Rubles

    • m_lp_ql_m

      I’m sure he’s kept the receipt at least.

    • Oh, Parker

      We’ve been re-watching Battlestar Galactica and my husband thinks Melania is Ellen Tigh, pulling the strings from the background.

      • Lazycrockett

        ugh that ending..

        • Oh, Parker

          I know. So much potential.

          • Lazycrockett

            “Hey lets throw all of our tech into the sun and fuck the primitives. Great Idea Apollo.”

    • bambinoitaliano

      He was his usual self and claimed the product was defective. He got the refund and kept the defective merchandise. Something about Prime membership privilege.

  • bkmn

    I expect we will see more of Trump’s lackeys pushing to shut down Mueller in the next weeks. This has to really be pissing off Hair Furor and he will push his surrogates to try to shut it down, but they won’t be able to since Mueller has already let his alliance with Schneiderman be known.

    • Oh, Parker

      Exactly. The snowball has already been pushed off the peak.

  • SoCalGal20

    Wow! Lots going on with TrumpRussia and it’s not even garbage day.

    I’m sure everybody alread saw these stories but in case not, these earn Benjamin Wittes canon booms.

    Manafort notes from Russian meet refer to campaign contributions.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/manafort-notes-russian-meet-contain-cryptic-reference-donations-n797816

    Trump’s lawyers lay out argument against Trump committing obstruction of justice to Mueller (lol).

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-attorneys-lay-out-arguments-against-obstruction-of-justice-probe-to-mueller-1504207495

    Also, it seems Rep. DiSantis received $81,000 from Trump’s biggest supporters during the last election cycle.

    https://twitter.com/funder/status/903343920360325121

    And another $108,000 from some Russian-born Kremlin-linked businessman.

    https://twitter.com/funder/status/903263801725919234

    • Bryan

      Ha. And what is it that DeSantis’ amendment proposes?
      “Six months investigation is enough”?

    • Reality.Bites

      I’m trying to understand what there is to be gained by going to a prosecutor and explaining why you didn’t commit a crime you haven’t been charged with.

      To me it’s like, “You see, when I did X I wasn’t obstructing justice because Y.”

      “Really? I had no idea you did X.”

    • This does not surprise me the least bit.

    • The_Wretched

      Trump’s lawyers are in full inoculation mode. It’s like they know they can’t win in the legal arena so they are getting the public (base?) on board. I wonder if DiSantis can be tagged with obstruction too.

    • kelven

      Ha! My first thought when I heard about his grandstanding was that he must be in the thick of it as well.

    • sfbob

      Maybe this is why Trump suddenly told Russia to close three consulates.

      “See? Russia’s not the boss of me!!!!”

      That, plus distraction.

    • JCF

      “Time to end Mueller’s investigation”: ROFL! [Somebody here called it on that thread.]

  • Friday

    May as well not make too big a deal of this, unless of course the Republicans get rid of Mueller.

  • Bj Lincoln

    When he is forced out, I will go to a few houses around my home and have them take down the fucking Drumpf signs. The one has one right on the street. Its 5 X 7 feet! I hate that thing. I am tired of this ride. My mom used to say ” Stop the world! I want to get off.”

    • Tomcat

      They are campaigning for 2020 on our dime no less.

    • Sam_Handwich

      let them keep their signs up so everyone knows they are idiots

    • kelven

      Or just slap a nice big label on them that says “TRAITOR!”

  • DaddyRay

    I called Summer 2017 in the JMG impeachment pool – come on Mueller, only a few weeks left

  • CharlestonDave

    I can’t wait for the mini-series!

    Who will they cast to play Hair Fuehrer?

  • MikeBx2
    • What does cheetolini jr. know 100K about anything? Oh, I suppose how to pervert the laws, but does the uni want him to talk about that?

      • Lazycrockett

        What does a University think he would have to say that would merit 20 dollars?

        • RoFaWh

          Covfefe!!!

      • BobSF_94117

        How to inherit your father’s job???

      • OdieDenCO

        money laundering for fun a profit

    • safari

      But I read that only Hillary was extorting people by speaking for fees.

    • Tomcat

      Its pay for play, Trumps own words.

  • Lazycrockett
    • fuzzybits

      Wonderful.

    • Lars Littlefield

      That explains a lot.

    • edrex

      of fucking course.

    • Refugay

      Propaganda is best served inside.

    • PeterC

      And a bastard from Kansas.

    • SoCalGal20

      Of course. *sigh*

  • Lazycrockett
    • safari

      But Texas gives more rights to chemical explosions than residents…

      • safari

        (Every exothermic reaction is sacred)

        • m_lp_ql_m

          Burning bush and all…

        • RoFaWh

          Is it the Gibbs free energy or the Helmholtz free energy we’re talking about?

          • safari

            I was always fond of Helmholtz but I suppose Gibbs is where I rest my head.

        • Snarkaholic

          If a chance to rebuild (using government-owned contracting companies, instead of bidding) is wasted
          Chump gets quite irate!

      • edrex

        the supreme court says they have the right to vote (unlike black people).

      • bambinoitaliano

        Not if they move the chemical plant beside the governor’s house.

        • safari

          My understanding is that it’ll be like the “unzoned” Houston: sure, you can build anything anywhere… unless the neighborhood has enough money to say no.

  • fuzzybits

    If this all goes the right way you realize we’ll all be having Robert Mueller parties.

    • Sam_Handwich

      Miller beer will get a nice bump in sales!

  • Lazycrockett
    • Tomcat

      If there are that many tracks they are just guessing.

      • Sam_Handwich

        about 95% of models predict landfall in the US. it’s not hitting Bermuda or Mexico

        that’s the important part right now. could change but probably not

        • Lazycrockett

          Also this diagram is more bout wind speed.

          • safari

            …still, terrestrial storm outlooks are usually nowhere near this clear so far out.

          • Lazycrockett

            Further down the thread they were talking bout this looking more like a south pacific typhoon.

      • another_steve

        Puleeze don’t let it come over Maryland. My cat is very skittish.

        When it rains heavily and the winds blow, she eats my houseplants.

        • Tor

          You’d have to get Jared out of the cellar.

          • another_steve

            Dog collar and leash, at the ready.

      • safari

        *sigh*. It’s not a guess. They don’t guess unless they say so in the text of the weather product… and even then it is listed as “discussion”. This is likely a set of computer runs. This, here, is the European Center for Medium range Weather Forecasting (ECMWF) from a particular set of replicates.

      • Tread

        We’re also potentially 7-8 days out from possible landfall. Let’s see you tell us what the exact weather will be a week from now, huh?

    • Sam_Handwich

      wow

    • safari

      Remember that time a hurricane made landfall in Mexico and it was essentially the world’s largest tornado recorded? Good times.

    • safari

      I’m curious what the continuity change is

      • OdieDenCO

        gulf stream contact

        • safari

          If I’m reading the graph right, that’s 10 days out?

    • Oh, Parker

      There are very, very few benefits to living in Indiana, but this sort of thing is one of them.

    • worstcultever

      I have no idea what “is another retiree candidate” means. ???

      • SoCalGal20

        Hurricane names are retired when the named hurricane is deemed severe and catastrophic enough. You can read about the process here.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_retired_Atlantic_hurricane_names

        • worstcultever

          *smacking head* – Ah, the name, not the storm! thx

          • SoCalGal20

            Ha! You’re welcome!

      • DaddyRay

        It means it will hit Florida an move into a lovely retirement village

      • LOL means the name will be retired — like Harvey this year and Katrina and Wilma of prior years. Hurricanes that are very destructive have their names retired.

      • ben-andy

        When a hurrycane does enough damage, they “retire” the name. So, there will never be another Hurrycane Sandy, Katrina, Hugo, and now perhaps Irma.

    • SoCalGal20

      Somebody in the comments on that tweet said that it looks like the sort of thing you’d see with a super typhoon in the Pacific which gets bigger, more severe storms. The guy tweeting keeps saying he hopes the model run is just overcooked and overestimating the intensity.

    • 175 mph sustained winds are ridiculous. Hurricane Andrew was a category 5 with 165 mph sustained winds. This is what the impact area would look like. If it were headed my way in South Florida I would get my ass out of this state faster than you can say Irma Bombeck. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2fa962376a1cd3b709156dea91f2605b32c9974d390dc1b178c7fd11761700dd.jpg

      • Lazycrockett

        They were suggesting down thread it could have sustainable winds of over 200 MPH.

        • That has never been recorded in an Atlantic Hurricane. There was a Hurricane Allen that was recorded in 1990 with 190 mph winds but not at landfall. 190 winds at landfall would be incredibly destructive. In 1938, The New England Hurricane hit as a Category 3- but it had a forward speed of 70 mph adding to its 120 mph winds. It is the most destructive New England hurricane to date, it devastated Eastern Long Island and killed about 700 people. If that Hurricane hit these days it would cause billions of damage. If a storm like that were to hit New York City (it easily could) it would rip windows of of skyscrapers. https://youtu.be/7b21g-5YBLs

          • BobSF_94117

            I like how the lady struggles with her umbrella, then lets go it, so it can impale some other pedestrian down the street.

            Thanks, Obama.

          • Nychta

            Amazing, especially considering all the equipment one needed to lug around back then to film something. It’s not like they could just push a button on a phone. How did they keep the reels from getting soaked?
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2384a70dd3938e9d1761a573dc2b89eaac3a86aafc0bdb52f5dea8eae776fce7.jpg

          • CB

            My parents grew up in Hartford when that happened. We had a book of photographs of that that they used to pull out and tell us stories of that. The one I most remember was that the circus was in town, and elephants ended up tied to fences in the neighboring residential neighborhood.

        • JCF

          But remember (say it over and over): “Climate Change is a Hoax!!!”

        • David L. Caster

          That would be equivalent to an EF5 tornado:

          “Total destruction of buildings. Strong-framed, well-built houses leveled off foundations are swept away; steel-reinforced concrete structures are critically damaged; tall buildings collapse or have severe structural deformations; some cars, trucks and train cars can be thrown approximately 1 mile (1.6 kilometres).”

          Source

    • DaddyRay

      Melania is preparing by picking out which pumps she will wear

  • MikeBx2

    O/T Perfect response to that so-called Nashville Statement…
    https://twitter.com/VinesMatthew/status/903426112344260608

  • Lars Littlefield

    Mueller said he always liked working with IRS’ special agents. “Ah, yes .. . there is nothing like the smell of Napalm in the morning”

    • Carl

      IRS gets a bad rap. Just follow the rules and they leave you alone. One time I made a mistake. They sent me a polite note saying they corrected it.

      • Snarkaholic

        Same here…it was an addition mistake on my tax return.

      • agcons

        This has been my experience, for over forty years, with our own revenoors (Canada Revenue Agency). Follow the rules; no problems.

  • DaddyRay

    Wow that episode of Rachel went by really quick – so much material to cover in such a short hour

  • fuzzybits
    • safari

      I wish she and Taylor Swift would merge so I don’t have to know which is which.

      • Treant

        That would make the Cronenberged duo “Mylar Cyrift.”

      • Lazycrockett

        Miley actually can sing.

        • safari

          I. don’t. care.

          What a relief to say aloud.

  • Reality.Bites
  • edrex

    way o/t but i’m kind of digging miles o’brien as host of pbs newshour.

    • MikeBx2

      Me too!

    • JCF

      Does he beam in? ;-/

      [Heh, there was that time when I was watching “Miles O’Brien” w/ an “e” on CNN, and could switch to “Miles O’Brian” w/ an “a” working the transporters over in ST:TNG!]

  • Jacob

    I said it 6 months ago: hello Mr. Capone.

    • DaddyRay

      At this point I don’t care how the Trump Cabal goes down

  • That_Looks_Delicious
    • safari

      I believe he was dismissed.

    • Lazycrockett

      Damn Shame that Harvey squashed this story.

    • johncAtl

      Cobb County – NW suburb of Atlanta. In 1995 Cobb passed an anti-gay ordinance. This cost Cobb the following year when the Olympic torch was rerouted to bypass Cobb. Back then it was referred to as County Of Bias and Bigotry.

    • Max_1

      10:1 this officer says, “Blue lives matter”…

  • Lazycrockett

    So Lawrence is suggesting that the only reason Drumpf is pledging 1 million is because he saw a story about Sandra Bullock donating money.

  • MikeBx2

    If you think this is bad, his apology was really something…
    https://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/903411174120849408

  • MikeBx2
    • Treant

      And in neither case will he ever deliver.

    • safari

      *There will be no $1M

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        $1M in Margo Largo golf ball coupons. Or stupid hats.

  • bkmn

    Anyone else notice this O/T item? Trump said he will donate $1M for Harvey victims/recovery but remember the time he offered $5M for Obama’s birth certificate. Shows where his true self really is

    • UrsusArctos

      OPM. He’s probably planning on Mexico paying it.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    OT – The *groan* “president” is sneaky-calling his old boyfriend when babysitter Kelly is not around. Is this funny, sad or what?

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/903412002906939392

    • safari

      “Ugh. My day sucked. How are you? Wait. I don’t care. Let me tell you about…”

    • Treant

      “[F]riends fret…” Wait a second, he has friends? Citation required. He has people he pays to agree with him. He has sperm receptacles. He has children who have to hang around to get the payoff (or so they think, I wonder if he didn’t leave it all to Tiffany for not sucking up).

      This guy does not have friends or people who care about him.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Well, there’s Roger Stone… and then there’s ummm…. uhhhh…..

      • Lazycrockett

        Grifters only have other grifters waiting to stab you in the back.

      • Sam_Handwich

        friends fiends

      • BobSF_94117

        Fellow colluders?

      • CharlestonDave

        Un-indicted co-conspirators?

  • safari

    Donald can only buy his love.

  • SoCalGal20
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Dumpf: Fake polls, FAKE, FAKE!!!!!

    • UrsusArctos

      He’s #1 at #2!

  • SoCalGal20
    • safari

      Such wonderful creatures.

      • SoCalGal20

        Adorable!

    • Sam_Handwich

      i’ve had a bat in my home and a bat in my church. sigh

      but this one looks like a wingéd puppy

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      It looks like a tiny bear with wings.

    • djcoastermark

      My word, that little guy is a beauty. Who wouldn’t love that little face ? Sometimes the world can be beautiful in spite of all that is going on.

    • David L. Caster

      A flying Fox. Strangely endearing animals.

  • bkmn

    O/T – Trump is pushing for tax CUTS, not tax reform. Cuts require more votes to pass, tax reform could be done with 51 votes in the Senate but tax cuts affect the budget and require 61 votes if they impact the deficit more than 10 years out, that is why Trump has been pushing to change Senate rules.

    • safari

      Hi. Safari here. Does anyone remember the fiscal cliff and the concern of what would happen in the long term? I do.

  • SoCalGal20
    • Halou

      Deadly wet in one corner of the country with another equally large hurricane on the way, hot as hell in another corner of the country. It’s as if the climate is changing and something needs to be done about it.. How about we slash the disaster relief fund and build a wall?

    • safari

      My introduction to this song was Grumpy Old Men.

    • Lazycrockett
    • JCF

      Tell me about it! (Forecast in Sacra-wilted-tomato: 110 tomorrow, 111 Saturday) }-p

    • edrex

      arrived in sf today and sweating pig like. it’s weird.

  • SoCalGal20

    Really great story out of Houston about a furniture store that has become a shelter. Worth watching the entire 4+ minute segment.

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/903084854723600384

  • SoCalGal20
    • Lazycrockett

      Cant wait the “defacing money is sad” tweet.

      • Friday

        Well, pretty sure it’s illegal, mind you.

    • djcoastermark

      Great Idea !

    • Halou
    • edrex

      meets my passive aggressive standard. i’m on it.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: This is a new live channel of a safari area.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peqsAG0qIqE

  • Lazycrockett

    Discovered these guys while watching Chelsea!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B2ihh71mMQ

  • Lazycrockett

    Fun website for Hurricane watchers.

    http://spaghettimodels.com/

  • RevDan

    Tax returns! Tax returns! Tax returns! Tax returns! Tax returns! Tax returns! Tax returns! Oh, Pleeeeeez!!

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    If/when Trump gets kicked out by Mueller (whether it be by resignation, jail, impeachment, Russian hot tea, or fleeing the country), we still have to deal with the people who voted him in.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conservative-texans-love-to-blame-the-feds-until-they-need-them_us_59a82530e4b010ca289ae081

    “But others don’t see a problem with the conservative state accepting federal help.

    “I’m sitting on a mountain of hate mail over here from people that are just gleeful that Texans are suffering right now, and it’s absolutely disgusting,” said Daniel Miller, president of the Texas Nationalist Movement, which advocates for Texas independence and is helping out with relief efforts. “The opposition [says] ‘Oh, look, you guys want independence but yet you’ve got your hands stuck out looking for federal aid.’”

    The way he sees it, “Texas has been paying into this federal system, and when we ask for federal disaster relief, we’re essentially just asking for a little bit of our money back.”

    Miller said he doesn’t have concerns with FEMA being in the state, but he
    remains loathe to say a good word about them. “What we do have a problem
    with is them coming in like they are saviors,” he said.”

    I know it’s not all Texans but man, people like him really put a sour taste in my mouth, especially since I as a taxpayer contributed to said $$$ to help them, money that THEIR reps would love to deny my state if/when it comes our turn to need it.

    I’m reminded of this clip someone told me about. George Jefferson saves a KKK member using CPR and all the KKK member has to say, “You should have let me die.”

    https://youtu.be/mbK7OyCJQRo?t=5m35s

    • BobSF_94117

      Texans, it’s a wonder they can manage to pat themselves on the back so hard, what with that giant chip on their shoulder.

    • edrex

      you’ve seen the latest charlie hebdo cover?

    • UrsusArctos
    • i’m not wasting my time emailing any nazis, but i will say for once he’s right. TX may pay slightly more into the system than it gets back, but it hardly balances out for what the rest of the cunfedrucy gets from blue states. and they vote right along with TX, who pressures them to do so in lots of ways.

      so yeah, i’m kind of resenting the fact that TX politicians and conservatives bitch and moan every time FEMA does some good, and that they dragged their fucking heels on Sandy relief. having lived in TX i feel perfectly comfortable in saying that i hope they enjoy a taste of what they’ve inflicted on the rest of the country, and i resent sending my money there to help people who vote to fuck themselves, and the rest of us. i am totally in favor of letting them go back to being a separate country, that pays for itself. and to the good liberals there: get out. get out now. if i can do it, when i was poor and unemployed, you can too. come to OH, and help us stop being a purple state. there is plenty of bountiful land here and several nice urban centers if that’s your thing.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Yeah, after seeing the open carry for SWORDS being OK on JMG, I’m not seeing TX ever getting back to any sort of sanity any time soon. And as someone who believes 99.9% of scientists who stand behind global warming, I can’t help but think that TX is going to get hit by Harvey type hurricanes on a much more frequent basis and I’m not seeing the politicians there willing to face the reality of doing the kind of upgrades that prevent the kind of damage they cause.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: Richard Anderson is dead.

    http://people.com/tv/richard-anderson-dead-91/

    “Anderson’s credits included the Stanley Kubrick-directed 1957 film Paths of Glory and John Frankenheimer’s 1964 movie Seven Days in May, as well as the 1956 science fiction classic Forbidden Planet. But fans of the ’70s action show The Six Million Dollar Man will best remember him for portraying Oscar Goldman, the boss of Lee Majors’ mechanically-enhanced hero Steve Austin.”

    • i’d forgotten about the Kubrik stuff he was in. damn. RIP, Mr. Anderson. you did some really great stuff and we thank you.

    • greenmanTN

      He was in “Compulsion” as well, the 1959 movie about Leopold and Loeb (though the names were changed), as one of Loeb’s brothers. Orson Welles played Clarence Darrow and Dean Stockwell played Loeb. It’s pretty good except they threw Diane Varsi in as a potential love interest for Loeb, the good girl who might have “saved” him from the evil Leopold.

  • I’m expecting to learn that the rumors about what’s in DT’s tax returns pale in comparison to what’s actually in DT’s tax returns.

    • Max_1
    • JCF

      Part of me fears that the Trump Organization has been cooking the books so long, that the good stuff isn’t even in the tax returns (it’s what’s in the secret ledger). Of course, the IRS could go after that…but who does the IRS report to now? }-(

      • Reality.Bites

        I’ve never understood why people cared about the tax returns. The contents might be embarrassing to a normal politician, and reveal him to be a liar about his wealth and charity, but they’re unlikely to reveal anything as bad as Trump reveals himself daily.

        Of course they may be useful to prosecutors as much for what they don’t show as for what they do, but I suspect there’ll be little of interest to the public.

  • billbear1961

    Near is the day of the Lord, most righteous King of kings!
    The Day of Wrath, of Vengeance, of gloom and shadows!
    The day of shattering THUNDER, the day of anguish, lamentation and sorrow!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3g1XMakoEQ

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/adbbad6831ac789fd2c9106d66e0926f5017eeff30e0b9dd2d811d4170dcf98c.jpg

    • JCF

      The Yom YHWH!
      יהוה‎יום

  • Max_1

    NO TRUMP TAXES
    NO TAX REFORMS

    • billbear1961

      We need his tax returns, real estate transactions and corporate records.

      We need SECURE elections (paper ballots or at least a paper trail for every vote cast nationwide).

      We need moderates ONLY appointed to the courts.

      • i disagree with that last one, sweet bear. only because there are at least three far right REACTIONARIES on the court right now, and a couple of them are going to be there for a while. we need young, minority/female/queer leftists on the court, to balance that. sure, that’s a pipe dream. but i will bust my ass for any candidate that agrees. i’m not wrong; one of the most evil things the thugs have ever done is put Roberts on the court. what a freak show he is. and the future will curse us for him.

        • billbear1961

          I said moderates, CD, because when WE are in power, it’s what THEY insist on from us, and we (foolishly) comply. When THEY have control, moderates go out the window, and far-right scum alone are appointed. And we just TAKE this ABUSE from the bastards!

          Having lost the popular vote by nearly three MILLION votes, Dump has no mandate to do ANYTHING of an extremist nature. That’s just one more reason we should insist on moderates. (I would prefer leftists on the courts, as well, young social democrats from diverse backgrounds. But for THAT we really have to wait until WE are in charge. To demand something superior to centrists from the neo-fascist GOP is just, well, what you say it is.)

          • “we” have never been in charge. the closest we came was during FDR, when truly leftist policy was enacted or attempted, and mostly by an unwilling congress who only sought to avoid a Revolution in this country by tossing us bones. all our pols are from or represent the 1% class first; the rest of us come second when they think about us at all.

            but things are changing and i have high hopes for the future. the main reasons have to do with the internet and the environment. i hafta dress for corporate enslavement work now, but i know you know what i think about all this. mwah, you have a lovely, furry day. i’ll be back when the vampires are just waking up. 🙂

          • billbear1961

            I hope things are changing–will change–for the better.

            Right now I hear not ONE prominent elected voice in a position of REAL power standing up–loud, proud, and defiant–24/7–against the racist proto-dictator and in defense of the REPUBLIC.

            This frightens, sickens, and ENRAGES me!

            (See you later, CD!)

          • CB

            I think you hit the main point here. That there is such complicity–and doing nothing is complicity–is shocking to me. The pervasive idiocy to either “wait this out” or “hope it goes away” is as bad as anything the republicans are doing. As Henry V said, “That he who has no stomach for this fight, let him depart.”

  • Max_1
    • billbear1961

      YES

  • billbear1961
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  • kladinvt

    Money laundering? Hhmmm….sounds like Mueller’s zeroing in on Comrade Cheetos “relationship” with the Russian Mafia.

  • barrixines

    No Twats yet this morning from the Twatter in Chief. Perhaps someone should shove a mirror under his snout to check he’s still breathing. Then again why bother?

    • Henry Auvil

      When told that Herbert Hoover had died, Dorothy Parker reportedly said, “How could they tell?”

  • SoCalGal20

    When people say, what are Dems doing? Dave Weigel has it right.

    https://twitter.com/johnastoehr/status/903422640051933184

    • JCF

      Agreed. The sooner the Dems unite around a single “Leader” at this point, the sooner Drumpf and the Rethugs can tee off on him or her. Right now ****Rethugs own ALL the shit**** : keeping our Blue heads low is actually the WISEST position now. Local organizing, developing (among ourselves) policy. Focus on ourselves, out of the spotlight: it’s still only 2017. Plenty of time to nationalize the Congressional (and don’t forget STATE!) races in 2018. Only AFTER the 2018 races, should we look for (work for) our 2020 leader to emerge…

      …y’know, if Drumpf hasn’t blown up the world by then. And some combination of Mueller/25th amendment (“Quasi-25th Amendment”? i.e., the claims that Drumpf is under house arrest already?) is still the best bet of preventing THAT.

      • Reality.Bites

        You know I read that “house arrest” article, and it seemed to me what they were saying is that staff restricts and controls access to him – like every other president in history.

        They just hate that it’s not Bannon.

        • DaddyRay

          Correct – it is what every president calls the bubble

    • BobSF_94117

      A $15 minimum wage is “hard left”?

      • SoCalGal20

        In this day and age.

        • BobSF_94117

          Quite a ways from the guillotine…

  • Blake J Butler
  • SoCalGal20
    • BobSF_94117

      If California took that money and sent a $2 check to every Californian, they’d probably save money and certainly get the message out.

      • SoCalGal20

        California has Covered California sign up centers. I wonder if some of the advertising is for those centers.

        • BobSF_94117

          I would think the centers are covered under “administration” budgets, not “advertising”, but I really don’t know. Does seem like a lot of $$$$.

    • M Jackson

      How many jobs lost, large rat?