White House Sets Rules For Transgender Military Ban

The Wall Street Journal reports:

The White House is expected to send guidance to the Pentagon in coming days on how to implement a new administration ban on transgender people in the military, issuing a policy that will allow Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to consider a service member’s ability to deploy in deciding whether to kick them out of the military.

The White House memo also directs the Pentagon to deny admittance to transgender individuals and to stop spending on medical treatment regimens for those currently serving, according to U.S. officials familiar with the document.

The 2½-page memo gives Mr. Mattis six months to prepare to fully implement the new ban, according to these officials. Mr. Mattis under the new policy is expected to consider “deployability”—the ability to serve in a war zone, participate in exercises or live for months on a ship—as the primary legal means to decide whether to separate service members from the military, the officials said.

  • KarenAtFOH

    Just a cruel stab to the heart.

    • NZArtist

      No, a savvy political ploy.
      Now the dialog moves to this:
      “Democrats want men in dresses in army barracks!”
      “Democrats are doing social experimentation with our military!”
      And how do Democrats respond? Either they come out in support of transgendered people in the army (which makes the above statements true) or they stay silent/disavow transpeople, which makes sane people stay home from voting.
      It’s a winning strategy for the Nazi party no matter how it plays out.
      You have to understand there is *no* shred of humanity in the Nazi party. It is entirely about acquiring and retaining power and money.
      Dont take it personally – it’s not about trans-people. They’re just the currently convenient tool for grabbing power.

      • KarenAtFOH

        It’s hard not to take it fucking personally when peoples’ lives and livelihoods are on the line. Democrats, no, make that human beings, can come out in support of trans people without acknowledging the hateful lies and distortions.

        • NZArtist

          No they cant. Because the Nazi party controls the dialog. Because the Nazi party doesn’t use facts, it uses an appeal to fear and hatred. Those are the things that get people to the polls, voting against their own self-interest.
          Or did you not pay attention at the last election?

      • Tatonka

        It is absolutely personal to me because it’s my country that he’s betraying. The only reason he’s not targeting gay men and women is that we’ve recently seen a period of relative acceptance. If he saw any political benefit to attacking us he wouldn’t hesitate,

        • NZArtist

          Abso-fucking-lutely. It’s not about the fact that people are gay (or trans, or mexican, or whatever the ideological target of the day is), it’s that they’re a tool to use to inspire fear and hatred and get wankers to the polls to vote against their own self-interest.
          If the Nazi party could come up with a way to make people afraid and fearful of trees, they’d do it. And who cares about the ensuing hordes of people with chainsaws deforesting the world? It’s all about grabbing power and money in the short-term. In fact the ensuing chaos only works to further the Nazi agenda because it gives more tools to engender fear and hatred.
          Global warming? Yay! More immigrant fear and unrest in other countries to build on. Nazis in the streets? Yay! More fear. Cant recruit enough troops? Yay! More fear of being unprepared for the next war we start. Not enough immigrant workers so companies need to move offshore? Yay! More fear of unemployment, more hatred for foreigners, more nationalist pride…
          Welcome to politics 101.

    • RNegron

      Total….. Eclipse.. of.. The.. tRump……..

  • thom

    Fuck Trump

    • another_steve

      To that, Melania replies, “No. Not tonight, Donald. Please.”

      • FAEN

        “On second thought Donald, not tonight, not ever again.”

      • RNegron

        “I haves a permanents headacheee”.

    • BudClark

      I’d REALLY rather NOT!

  • JWC

    Trump is such an absolute and utter asshole

  • thom

    Fuck any queer or trans person who voted for Trump or Johnson or Stein or not at all.

    • another_steve

      Or any Democrat or Democratic Socialist who didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton because she wasn’t their preferred choice.

      • david fairfield

        Or the asshole repubs who knew what a ridiculous and irresponsible vote they cast to “support their party”….

    • Or any person—irrespective of sexual orientation and gender identity—for that matter. It was easy to see this coming from a mile away.

      • margaretpoa

        Yes, but in this case, it is especially odious if a LGBTQ person allowed that orange piece of shit to get into the White House through action or inaction,

        • wmforr

          We’re not Caitlin mentioning Caitlin any Caitlin names Jenner, are Jenner we?

          • margaretpoa

            Of course we’re not mentioning Caitlyn Jenner or anybody like Caitlyn Jenner. There are plenty of LGBTQ people like Caitlyn Jenner so we don’t need to go around naming Caitlyn Jenner because Caitlyn Jenner already gets enough covfefe.

      • thom

        Very true, but in this particular moment my ire is aimed at LGBTQ Trump voters

        • Joseph Miceli

          I know of at least one gay guy who voted for Trump and although he waffled all over the place and said Trump had “no problem with the gays” in the end we all knew why this guy was voting for Trump: he hated blacks, just like Trump.
          We no longer speak.

          • wmforr

            Speaking of which, at every Trump Fan Rally, wherever it is, there is that one Black guy right behind der Donald, holding a Blacks for Trump sign who appears to orgasm at everything de massa says. Anyone know who he is and how much they pay him?

          • Joseph Miceli

            It’s funny you bring that up . I just read something about him on some Internet article somewhere . He’s crazy as a bedbug has been for years and he loves Trump . They put him up front every time .

      • wmforr

        Basically any qualified voter who did not cast a vote for Hillary to prevent this from happening. How on earth could they have known what he’d be like as President? Duh! “Well, she said she was the widow of the deposed dictator of Nigeria, so I assumed she was.”

    • BNN

      How about the people who laughed and celebrated because they thought Trump was god’s gift to the Democratic party?

      • thom

        Yes!

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Trump was gods gift to putin. Thats for sure

    • disqus_0nG5sM6pD1

      Fuck any person that voted for him!

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        Fuck everyone! We let it happen on our watch!

        • JackFknTwist

          That’s exactly my point. Let’s not get carried away with the arrow focus on LGBT who voted for Trump.
          America voted in Trump. The Constitutional system of America voted in Trump.
          You all saw that he was a bigot, a hater, a bully a filthy pig, a treasonous traitor, an uneducated self aggrandizing buffoon, yet America voted in this fascist. British intelligence warned you that he was a traitor. You were warned of the “pee pee” tapes, of “Kompromat”.

          America owns this. So far the damage, though global, has not yet become catastrophic.
          But now the lunatic in the WH has the nuclear codes and if he has to use them to distract from the “Fall of the House of Trump” he will.
          Will you all march again in lock-step behind a “war time President” ?
          You put him there, what are you doing to get rid of him?

        • fuow

          This statement should be tattooed on everyone of us in BOLD.

    • TJay229

      Or.. The overwhelming majority of White people.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Sigh. Well, all I can say is I wasn’t one of them. I like to think that even if I wasn’t gay, my moral compass would still make me a Dem and a social justice warrior, but being gay certainly helps. Then again, I DID know gay racists who voted for Trump. We no longer speak ( I may have been a teensy bit honest with them.)

        • Robincho

          Here’s hoping that you were, & more than a teensy bit…

      • CJAS

        Yep. And the unwillingness to address this fundamental fact is telling.

        • TJay229

          Some of them hate to acknowledge that here… While I never allow them to forget it. 😊

    • The Sentinel

      HARD.

      • BudClark

        And DRY!

    • John Kusters

      Fuck the vote-suppressing Republicans. If their suppressions schemes hadn’t been so successful, I’m certain Trump would be an “also ran” rather than President.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Michael R

    Will this end up at Supreme Court ?

    • Lazycrockett

      I don’t think so.

    • scream4ever

      Assuming it even fully is implemented.

    • another_steve

      Of course it will.

      Whichever side loses in the lower courts will appeal.

  • Ninja0980

    But remember, LGBT people are getting thrown off rooftops by Muslims in the Middle East so we can’t call out being treated like shit here at home in a country where we’re supposed to be better then that.

    • another_steve

      If Franklin Graham and Pat Robertson could get away with throwing us off roofs – if their cash flow were not adversely affected by it – I assure you they would.

      • FAEN

        Amen brother.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup, we all know that but so many people in this country truly believe these people don’t want us dead when they’ve made it clear again and again they do.

      • 2patricius2

        There’s a long history of Christians of many different churches and denominations using imprisonment, torture and executions to do away with people they considered “heretics.”

        • another_steve

          As a queer Jew, I would have had a very difficult time during the Spanish Inquisition. Very difficult.

          • Anastasia Beaverhousen
          • FAEN

            No wonder I like you-I’ve always had a soft spot for queer Jews 😉.

          • another_steve

            Thank you.

            We’re very lovable.

          • RNegron

            Forget about queer, Jews were not fairing well back then!

          • BudClark

            Nor are they today, even in the US, sadly.

          • Gustav2

            At that time we thought you would have been old enough to have the wisdom to go to Ibiza.

          • another_steve

            Well our mothers didn’t let us out of the house.

            Over-protective then as today.

          • Kruhn

            As a queer in Uganda or anywhere in “Christian” East Africa you and I would have a difficult time.

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          That’s the hallmark of all religions born of the bible or the quran.

        • Joseph Miceli

          Bishop Giordano: ” I cast you demons of Homosexuality out of Mother church! Those who debase themselves by lying with another man as with a woman shall be cast into the fires of Hell!”
          (later)
          Father Guiseppe: ” Bishop, your sermon was wonderful, I am filled with the Holy Spirit.”
          Biship Giordano: ” As am I, my son. Send that cute little alter boy with the round buttocks to my chambers. I feel the need to drill the Holy Spirit into him.”
          Father Guiseppe: “As you command, My Lord!”

    • david fairfield

      Right, here we’ll be gassed, so much more humane, and reason not to complain….”at least we don’t throw you off rooftops”.

  • Richard B

    Hurry up Robert Mueller, hurry up and don’t forget to take on Mike Pence while you are at it.

  • Todd20036

    Meanwhile, the military doesn’t want this, the general population doesn’t want this.

    Only Trump and his Nazi base wants this.

    And none of them are going near a recruitment center.

    • KarenAtFOH

      Well we are all going to fucking get this, and more, and worse until this shitstain and his GOP cohorts are removed and/or overthrown.

  • j.martindale

    They are SOOO full of shit!

  • bkmn

    Anyone getting the feeling that Fraudlin Graham drafted this?

    • CraigNJ

      Or Tony Perkins

  • Trump’s in a panic…so he goes after the most vulnerable Americans. Again. Worse, these are men and women who simply want to serve their country, and in many cases have found the military to be the only place which will accept them.

    Mother. Fucker.

    I’m out for a few days. Can’t stand this horror of a madman continuing to be allowed to rule over a nation he’s goading toward civil war, all in service to his psychotic narcissism.

    Peace. I’ll be back, but I’m past outrage saturation at this point.

    • ColdCountry

      Take care, Becca.

    • bzrd

      I keep hoping the Resident Nazi will be gone before the end of the year. Every morning it’s my first thought. Six months this dump,who Christopher Hitchens might describe fitting into a matchbox if he farted, will be gone if the goddess of beautiful mornings is listening to my prayer.

    • Uncle Mark

      What’s worse is his BS about the additional costs the transgendered add to the military, when removing Drumpf instead would probably save this country millions more

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        Billions more if he does not serve four years.

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      • Joseph Miceli

        Exactly. just use the money we WOULD have paid for Secret Service protection on Trump’s eternal vacations.

      • BudClark

        Not to mention how much MORE the military spends on VIAGRA!

      • Chris Bartlett

        the military spends ten times that amount on Viagra.

      • wmforr

        The military spends far more on Viagra and Cialis for the troops. True fact.

      • michele moss

        Please do your research as to what it actually costs the military. Do you really think transgender people have just entered the military forces in 2017. Some have retired after serving many years. Absolutely No one would even think about people who are trans before if Trump didn’t come up with this bullshit. They have been protecting this country fine.

        • Uncle Mark

          That’s my point. If you have seen my earlier posts, I have noted how much money is being wasted in experience, training, and loyalty in removing the transgendered from the ranks of the military, yet we waste millions protecting Dear Leader and his miserable family, so that they can continue grifting the world at gov’t expense and attending feel-good hate rallies

    • Mike Solo

      Look forward to your return as you are one of the best voices on this blog

  • shellback

    Stop this fucking NAZI asshole. Someone. Please.

    • NZArtist

      Here you are, back in time, Nazism is rising, Hitler is in power.. And you’re asking other people to solve it. Well, no time machine for *you*.

    • Vista-Cruiser

      The time to stop him was November 2016. But unfortunately, way too many Democrats sat out that election.

  • another_steve

    Caitlyn Jenner: Got your “Make America Great Again” cap on, girl?

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Narcissists do love other narcissists

    • david fairfield

      Yeah, let’s hear a statement from her. Self loathing, self centered STUPID shit for brains. It’ll be something like “it’s disappointing” or something equally inane.

    • BudClark

      Caitlyn Jenner is a bizzy ditch.

      • Gregory B

        She, like Trump, is a farce as a human being.

  • John Ruff

    So….is some lgbtq organization getting ready to sue the fuck outta this?

    • SoCalGal20

      Lambda Legal and I think NCLR. But Lambda Legal for sure.

    • coram nobis

      They’re welcome to try. However, Federal courts have tended to defer to the military on matters of discipline and good order and all that jazz. Best chance may be to use the Administrative Procedures Act to hit some procedural point, maybe the lack of due process in the discharge policy.

      • John Ruff

        Thank you

      • thom

        Wasnt there a succesful challenge to DADT in federal court (9th circuit?) right before the repeal?

        My memory is a little foggy

      • Cackalaquiano

        You mean a snap decision communicated via tweet isn’t due process?

  • Hank
    • Bubba in TX

      I think that flag is upside-down. (It also needs to have the words, “LGBT for Trump” sloppily written on it.)

      /s

  • Hanwi

    What a fucking bastard!! Be strong my trans brothers and sisters, don’t let this orange shitstain get you down!!

    • RNegron

      The advise seems to let the ultimate decision in the hands of individual commanders, so it seem their fate depends on the attitude of their commander.

      • (((GC)))

        …and on the outcome of the SLDN and Lambda Legal lawsuits.

    • FAEN

      ^^This^^

  • Ninja0980

    And yet the douchebag who comes to our state fair every year and screams about how homosexuals are evil each year is one of the “victims” in this country.
    Fuck that.

  • NZArtist

    Whatever happened to the people on this forum declaring voting for Hillary would be bad for the country?
    Man, I miss those days.

    • SoCalGal20

      Yelling about how she was a Goldman Sachs whoring warmonger. Ah, the days…

    • Todd20036

      Most of them aren’t here, the rest I blocked.

      • Ninja0980

        I blocked all of them (including some that still post.)
        Not going to put up with that shit anymore.

    • Lazycrockett

      They were on an earlier thread bout her book, whiny bitching bout what a horrible woman she was for being sick and fainting.

    • thom

      Yeah, my favorite were commentators who insisted (with no evidence) that Hillary was homophobic and transphobic.

      • NZArtist

        I liked the ones who said you should vote for a third party because that will solve everything, and there will be flowers and unicorns…. or something.

      • andrew

        Just imagine how much better off America would be today with Hillary at the helm.

        • thom

          More talk about anthony weiner. Less nazis in the streets. I’d take the tradeoff

    • andrew

      Yep Hillary would have made a fine centrist Democratic president very much like Obama, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, LBJ and JFK. Imperfect to be sure but light years better than the narcissistic unstable Trump. People who were unable to see that are fools.

      • thom

        Yes!

      • Hue-Man

        With centrists, you can sometimes drag them kicking and screaming to do something progressive.

    • JCF
    • Lumpy Gaga

      Russian money transfers stopped?

    • Steven H

      Trans service members aren’t going to betray their country just because their country has betrayed them.

      • WitlessProtection

        Wanna bet?

        • thom

          I would , but i’m broke 🙁

          It didnt happen during DADT

          • WitlessProtection

            I was kicked out just before DADT. I just recently got my discharge upgraded to honorable – 25 years later.

          • thom

            Sorry that happened to you. And very happy you got that honorable discharge… 25 years too late.

            Thank you for not betraying our country. I expect our trans brothers and sisters will do the same.

          • WitlessProtection

            I’d rather they betray 45 and not go quietly into that good night. I am sure the ACLU is going to have a field day with this whole thing n

          • thom

            Betray 45, yes! The safety of their fellow soldiers, no.

            And I agree, donated to ACLU regularly since the election… hence me being broke 😉

          • RNegron

            Thank you Sir for your service. It would never have been my choice but I honor you for it. I am glad you got what you deserved!

          • WitlessProtection

            I was in a really bad place and didn’t feel like I had any options left. I figured I could pass, I was so wrong!

          • thom

            Thank you for your service!

    • thom

      Yeah, don’t think this is how it will work. But whatever, it probably will get lots of retweets and “yass, queens”

  • SoCalGal20

    OT but this happened. Add ANOTHER obstruction of Justice count.

    https://twitter.com/markberman/status/900493402726445056

  • Lars Littlefield

    Whaddaya bet that those of us who are LGB but not T are next? Huh? Whaddaya want to bet?

    • Silver Badger

      Why the unusual T?

      • NZArtist

        First ones struck off the list.

        • Silver Badger

          Thank you.

    • Michael R

      Don’t ask

    • ColdCountry

      First they came for the transgender soldiers…. But I WILL be speaking out!

      • Paul

        Or the Log cabin version. First they came for the T but I was too busy with stock options and headless married ‘straight’ guys on Grindr.

  • FAEN

    Disgraceful!

  • Cackalaquiano

    Evil and utterly pointless. We’re going to have to fight this with everything we can folks.

  • Reality.Bites
    • JCF

      Fuck off, Shatner! [O Canada: what went wrong w/ this Canuck???]

      • Reality.Bites

        Well we’ve known Shatner’s an asshole longer than we’ve known it about Trump!

        • Hue-Man

          As I said yesterday, America doesn’t have a monopoly!

          • Reality.Bites

            We made him an actor. The US made him an asshole.

            Who’s to say which is the greater crime?

          • Lumpy Gaga

            “Hooker’s a good cop!”

      • Karl Dubhe

        He went to the USA to pursue fame and fortune.

        He got what he wanted, at the price of his soul.

        • jimbo65

          With exception of Leonard Nimoy and maybe DeForest Kelly, the Star Trek cast hated him. George Takei always threw epic shade his way.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            “Damnit, Jim! I’m a doctor, not a diplomat!!!”

    • Ninja0980

      That’s been known for a long, long time.

      • Lars Littlefield

        I like Picard, too. But I really like Shatner on reruns of Boston Legal.

    • Lazycrockett

      It’s always been Picard.

    • Todd20036

      SJW?

      • Reality.Bites

        Social Justice Warriors – a disparaging term used by the alt-right.

    • Stogiebear

      You can’t have Shatner without the past tense of “to shit.”

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Shatner? I hardly knew her!

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Social justice, sensible shoes, and he brings home the groceries!!!

  • JCF
  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/wrblnews3/status/898572580277305344
    More fun stuff out of Alabama tonight.
    Crap like this is why I despise homocons like Guy Benson and others the most.
    They whine about how bigots get fired from jobs yet say nothing about the students who are bullied and attacked every day in our schools by “Christians” like these families.
    Vile human beings, all of them.

    • fuzzybits

      Oh,those fun Alabamy folks.

  • TheManicMechanic

    All I can say here is I hope it ends up that a person or unit pays dearly if it works out that a transgendered individual were a key part in saving their bacon, and that part was not there at a critical time.

  • SoCalGal20

    OMG THAT GUY AT CHUCK GRASSLEY’S TOWN HALL TODAY. HERO!!!!!!

  • andrew

    If Mattis doesn’t tell draft dodger Trump to blow it out his ass and refused to enforce such a discriminatory policy, he is every bit as evil as Trump.

    • Lazycrockett

      The whole Commander in Chief is in play. Mattis pretty much has to follow orders.

      • Hue-Man

        Not the military chain of command; “Mattis is a retired United States Marine Corps general” (wiki). As War Secretary he has to follow the policy directions of the President or quit, just like any other member of Cabinet. “I was only following orders” – where have I heard that before?

      • andrew

        He doesn’t just have to follow orders. He can take a stand and force them to fire him. That’s the honorable thing to do.

    • Hank

      Let us hope, that they drag their feet for a year or two until Herr Drumpf is in TOTAL Disgrace!!!

    • Kruhn

      Unfortunately, Trump is his boss and that was a legal (if immoral and transphobic) order. What Mattis can only do is slow walk the order or resign in protest.

  • shellback
    • Lars Littlefield

      Yes. Christians acting Jesus-like. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn’t it?

  • Sam_Handwich

    here come the lawsuits

  • Hank
    • Adam King

      Or for mediocre douchebags to sit around with their thumbs up their asses.

    • FAEN

      But her emails 🙄!

  • thom

    Can we make Ana Navarre a saint?

    • thom

      Context… she went in on the new Jeffrey Lord on CNN.

    • Lazycrockett

      She still has a lot of past sins to work off, so no.

      • David Milley

        Agreed, not a saint, but she’s proving a noteworthy — and vocal — ally.

        • FAEN

          Ally…for now. I’m interested to hear the words out of her mouth should an establishment republican find his way into office.

    • FAEN

      Sorry no. She’s been pushing GOP BS for years.

  • SoCalGal20

    No wonder Trump’s losing his shit. “The dossier is a roadmap”.

    • thom

      ABC News: Christopher Steele has met with the FBI, provided agents w/ names of sources he used in the Trump dossier. https://t.co/M1pULBpnuM

      • SoCalGal20

        Yep! That came out yesterday. 🙂

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Remember the good old days when Russians like Gorbachev came with a roadmap stamped directly on their foreheads. Things were so much simpler then.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Follow the golden chain stream, la la!
      Follow the golden chain stream, la la!
      Follow, follow, follow, follow,
      Follow the golden chain stream, la la!
      We’re off to indict the Trump Thing.
      The TrumpThing of golden pee showers!

      La and la.

      • CharlestonDave

        Can we get some Mnunchkins to sing it? Preferably with designer hashtags?

    • thom

      Context? Im confused

      • SoCalGal20

        On Maddow now. Greg Simpson of Fusion GPS testified for 10 “solid” hours yesterday for the Senate Judiciary Committee about the Steele dossier. After his testimony, Simpson’s lawyer stated that the testimony was all about the dossier and that the dossier should be seen as a roadmap to Trump’s involvement with the Russians.

        • thom

          Nice! Thanks 🙂

    • David Milley

      So, of course, Trump punches down, hurting armed service members serving honorably, but under his tiny thumb, to create his latest attempt to distract our attention from his collusion with the Russian government to usurp the US presidency.

  • Hank

    If Grassley is NOT against publishing the DOSSIER, then Her Drumpf is REALLY in DEEP, DEEP Shit!!!!

    • thom

      Wait. What happened?

      • Hank

        Grassley had a town hall meeting in a teeny, tiny town in IA. A man asked if the testimony would be released by the Intel Committee. He said once it was voted on to be released, and Grassley was NOT against voting with the Dems todo so!!!

        • thom

          Woah! Grassley? Thats progress

          • Hank

            That is because after 10 hours of Glen Simpsons’ testimony to, apparently show the dossier’s veracity, Grassley, at least was convinced about the info!!!

          • JohnJay

            Soooo… the pee pee tape is real?

          • Adam King

            Hope it’s not too damp.

          • SoCalGal20

            Well, Grassley was a little more circumspect. He sort of tried to stall by saying that the committee had to vote on it and that Simpson and his lawyer had to check the transcript for accuracy but the guy asking the question made it VERY clear he wants to see that dossier and he kept pushing Grassley and eventually flat out asked Grassley if he would vote to release the transcript and Grassley said he didn’t see why he wouldn’t but that he was entirely sure of the process and so forth.

          • thom

            Gotcha

    • JCF

      Or deep, deep pee. {glug-glug-glug}

  • Benji

    No surprise here!

    • Vista-Cruiser

      Exactly. Millions of Democrats sat out last year’s election. How could they expect anything else?

  • Treant

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  • M Jackson

    He just took an orange shit on the integrity and careers of valued service men and women for no reason except spite and a heap of pandering. Disgusting. Damn him to hell, tomorrow if possible.

    • RNegron

      That circle of hell is still under construction.

  • Sam_Handwich

    o/t
    for my fellow baseball fans….

    dodgers are doing great this season

    https://twitter.com/DodgerInsider/status/900530765389193217

    • Treant

      Is that the one where they throw the football through the hoop and run around the bases until it stops bouncing?

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I think you’re thinking of cricketball. Or lacrotch. Or something.

        • bzrd

          croquet

          • Adam King

            Gesundheit!

        • Adam King

          Or Mai Tai, with the giant scoops.

        • BobSF_94117

          I could get into lacrotch, I think. On the other hand, have you ever seen underwater footage of what goes on in water polo? It’s horrible.

        • CharlestonDave

          I haven’t enjoyed lacrotch since that summer in Marseilles. 😉

    • MikeBx2

      Still very impressive though…
      https://twitter.com/AP/status/900533913281548288

    • Ninja0980

      If they win it all, they’ll likely be the best baseball team recordwise of all time.

    • JCF

      Then he gave up a home run, and lost!! Ha-ha-ha-ha!

      Love,

      All SF Giants Fans >;-/

  • Michael R
  • Lazycrockett

    So its up to Mattis to personally decide who if any gets kicked out?

    • margaretpoa

      No. He has no choice in the matter. Nor will unit commanders have any choice anymore. The piece of shit has spoken and he is the CinC.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        He’s so despicable!

        • margaretpoa

          That much is certain. Unit commanders have always been the final word on transpersons serving but Il Duce Arancia is going to make sure they are all thrown out.
          It wouldn’t surprise me if he ordered them out without their earned benefits. It would infuriate me but it won’t surprise me.

    • thom

      For those that are in, it appears so. It seems ridiculous that one man would make thousands of case by case decision. Unworkable.

      • Lazycrockett

        However they are denied the meds that they are currently on. Also can’t enlist. right?

        • thom

          Yes

        • thom

          And I’m assuming trans vets won’t get needed medical coverage either

      • Tor

        Doesn’t the pope do that with appointments above monsignor, annulments, visions of Mary on toast?

        • Pat

          OT but why doesn’t Mary ever appear on a bagel? Or at least an English Muffin? Why is it always toast or the side of a building?

          • bzrd

            well, duh, bagels and English muffins weren’t around 2 thousand years ago

          • Adam King

            Commercial sliced bread has only been around since 1928. True fact.

          • bzrd

            the knife still works on home made

          • Pat

            Pita Mary?

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Tortilla Maria

          • Pat

            Classier than Flatbread Mary.

          • Tor

            Just keep waiting. Her tears will appear on a bagel somewhere.

      • Adam King

        Because preznit Humperdoo and his minions are so incredibly ignorant.

      • CharlestonDave

        If he sets aside 15 minutes a week to carefully review each case…

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    This little dino is really beginning to detest Dumpf with a visceral fury!
    I hope the little fellow is not becoming radicalized online!!
    Radicalized T-Rex: RawRRR! Resist!!

    • Hue-Man

      112 million year old Dino dug out of Alberta’s Tar Sands.

      The best-preserved armoured dinosaur ever found has been painstakingly pieced together in Alberta over the past six years and is finally ready to make its public debut.

      It was discovered by accident in 2011 when a Suncor shovel operator, Shawn Funk, noticed a large lump of dirt with an odd texture and a diamond pattern in one of his shovel loads.

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nodosaur-national-geographic-dinosaur-suncor-1.4113462

      • Lionel Leston

        Even better, some palaeontologists have been speculating on the actual colours of the new dinosaur, Borealopelta.

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    Need feel good image to get through (although a photo of Trump impeached, in jail, or both would be even more grand I admit.)

    https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/599c6a9a1900003900dd4db7.jpeg?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale

    (Note: he said yes.)

    • Michael R

      Former Olympian Gets Proposed To In Venice, And The Pics Are So Romantic

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/olympic-diver-proposal-venice_us_599c69b6e4b06a788a2c311a

    • SoCalGal20
    • Tor

      Hot men. Wearing a tank top in Venice irks me. I’m old-fashioned that way. So do flip-flops in downtown San Francisco.

      • FAEN

        Flip Flops and jeans is. Just. WRONG!

        • Tor

          I tolerate jeans – I wear them. NO FLIP FLOPS AFTER LABOR DAY!!!

          • FAEN

            I love good fitting jeans but you won’t find me pairing them with flip flops.

          • Tor

            Not I, either. Except maybe in Mexico. Does that make me an ugly tourist, like the ones I rail against here?

          • FAEN

            LOL-I’m sure you’re quite dapper. Even in Mexico 😉.

          • JCF

            Um, where do you live? Climate Matters!

          • Tor

            San Francisco. I work near Union Square. I was influenced by Mother, who would never go downtown without dressing in a suit, hat, hose, heels, and gloves. I’ve taken to wearing hats again.
            The climate only allows flip flops in the neighborhood 3 days a year.

          • FAEN

            I wish I could find a hat to properly fit me.

          • CharlestonDave

            I’ve taken to wearing a boonie, due to its extreme practicality. But it looks so silly.

          • JCF

            Heh-heh, my mother felt that way (deep down, from her youth) re “The City” also!

            True story: Saturday, Sept 2, 1945: my grandmother and mother (then 19) emerged from a movie theater, to hear church bells ringing EVERYWHERE. My grandmother didn’t wait around: she threw my mom in the car, and went hell-on-wheels back across the Golden Gate Bridge for Marin Co.

            It was VJ Day. “The City” went freaking NUTS. My grandmother’s quick thinking may have saved BOTH of them from getting raped…

            http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SAN-FRANCISCO-The-dark-side-of-V-J-Day-The-2647870.php

          • Lumpy Gaga

            “Fashion has changed!”

            — Patricia Hearst

          • Tor

            Bash with a pay phone.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Okay. I’ll wait here while you find one….

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        With arms like that, I’d say he can wear whatever the hell he wants– or not want to wear anything at all for all I care.

        Edit to note: I met a guy with arms about that size. Tank tops were pretty much some of his only choices. He couldn’t fit his arms into sleeves and that shit gets expensive to alter after a while.

        • Tor

          I get it. It’s just my pet peeve. Dress appropriately for the environment, whether that means physical or cultural.

          • JCF

            [Looks at more pics on HuffPo]

            Ew, nevermind the exposed arms, *neck tattoos*! }-0<<<

            [But seriously, of my many online firtations through the years, one girl sent me pics of her tattoos. When we got to the neck tattoos…sorry. Girlparts-Boner KILLER.]

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            I agree with you on the neck tattoos in general, until I heard of the use of having a name tattooed over the jugular as a sign of mourning for a close family member killed violently. I’ve heard more than a few accounts of that usage and now, when I see it, I’m both sympathetically intrigued and deeply saddened.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Biggest peeve for me is most men shouldnt wear sandles/flip flops cause they have ugly feet

      • bzrd

        it looks like a t-shirt with the sleeves off because his arms are so big, notice where the neck line is

      • Adam King

        How awful to have to look at those arms! *faints*

        • Tor

          I LOVE those arms. I just think, old-fashioned me, that in an ancient city like Venice, you dress a bit more, um, covered. Lots of lace and embroidery, or something.
          Yes, I realize I’m in a hole and honing my own shovel.

          • FAEN

            As you said earlier-dress appropriately. I agree.

          • David Walker

            It took a long time for me not to experience instant anger at people going to a show in tank tops, flip flops, too-short short shorts, halter tops that halted very little, and on and on and on. I never did get needing to have your phone on when you’ve been asked to take a moment to turn it off. From maybe around the turn of the century until I retired, I don’t recall a show in which a phone didn’t sound off loudly…and way too often people would answer the fucking thing. There are advantages to being a hermit. Curmudgeons still have to put up with people; hermits don’t. It’s a chosen lifestyle, to be sure, and I’m good at it.

          • Tor

            I hope to join you – at a distance – when I retire.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Ive been an avowed hermit since middle school. Even tho i live in a large city i find plenty of ways to avoid people

          • CharlestonDave

            Points well taken, David. Please consider writing a Gentleman’s Guide to Hermitude. I’d buy a copy!

          • Lumpy Gaga
          • Tor

            Now you’re talking….

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Looks like HRH Melania Trumpinskya

          • Lumpy Gaga

            I’m slapping you from here.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Lol sorry. Ms hepburn might be offended to. But she has that pouty look going on in the foto. The pose, the clothes etc.
            Course hepburn had the brains to back it up

          • fuow

            Having often been in Venice, I can assure you most Venetians agree with you.

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Its the californication of street wear. I have no opinion either way but i do blame the west coast for the very casual clothing worn today. It does save $ and it is comfortable however

    • FAEN

      I saw that earlier and just loved it. So so sweet ❤️ 🏳️‍🌈 ❤️

  • fuzzybits

    This is that fucking religious council or whatever it’s called speaking.

    • Lazycrockett

      No its Faux news. This all started cause Hannity or Tucker did a bit on the cost of trans in the military and Drumpf saw it.

      • fuzzybits

        Yea,that too. But they’re calling shots too.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/outsports/status/900096798059970560
    Because many are (sad to say) assholes who just happen to like men and are dicks otherwise.
    Not to mention the belief that it’s easier for women to come out and that no one cares, which is also not true.
    We still have a long, long way to go in our community, we truly do.

    • SoCalGal20

      Just because you’re gay doesn’t mean you can’t be a misogynist douche.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Milo: That’s right!

      • thom

        There are so many “homobros” on twitter and facebook. If you look at their pics and coversations and it appears they have never met a woman.

        • SoCalGal20

          I can believe it!

          • thom

            All their brunch photos are with four or friends who look just like them. Same with pool parties, concerts, gyms, bars.
            I’m not better than anyone else but that seems so boring.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          The bullied becoming the bullies– and acting like the douche bags that hated us.

      • fuzzybits

        I always got a lot of grief from gay men because I had many lesbian friends.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          I’m sorry but that’s fucking pathetic and awful. And for those who know history, the role of lesbians and bi women at the start of the AIDS pandemic makes such a sentiment particularly galling.

          Simply, fuck those gay men who would do so.

          • thom

            Amen! Queer women have ALWAYS been there for us, and we often dismiss them. Its shameful

          • SoCalGal20

            My first girlfriend after I came out was one of those lesbians that volunteered at GMHC during the height of the AIDS crisis. She told me about it. I know that if it were needed again we’d be there but some men are just fucking awful.

          • Kruhn

            You go, my lesbian cousins! Thanks for helping us gay guys.

        • thom

          Assholes. Most of ny besties are lesbians or transguys

        • FAEN

          Seriously? As a gay man myself what the fuck was their problem?

          • fuzzybits

            Misogyny.

      • FAEN

        See Log Cabin Traitors.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          And biphobic and transphobic assholes as well.

          Eating our own only makes less of us to help win.

          • Ninja0980

            Biphobia is something I’m sadly all too familiar with.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Preach. And ditto.

          • Ninja0980

            Seen a lot of it with the latest youtube same sex couple to break up too, even though they both made it clear one of them being Bi had nothing to do with it, folks are going there anyway.

          • JCF

            I.Do.Not.Get.YouTube.Couples!!!

            I mean seriously: if you know about a celebrity couple, and they happen to have vids on YT, I get it (barely). But any two people (gay or straight or whatever) who are famous merely for exposing their lives on YT? WTActualF???

          • -M-

            Some of them are quite engaging and personable. Some of the fans get too invested in the illusion of friendship and some of the YouTubers let their ‘fame’ go to their heads. But it’s not really any different than a favorite tv show.

          • thom

            🙁

          • Ninja0980

            Hubby has yet to leave me for a woman, yet still, some folks think he will any day now.

          • thom

            Idiots

          • thom

            My husbands last bf before he started dating me was a transguy. This was 10+ years ago, he got more grief and confusion from gay guys than from his supportive queer female friends.
            Back then all his straight friends gave him hell.

          • FAEN

            Only a woman you mean?

          • FAEN

            I’m sorry matey. That shit shouldn’t be an issue anynore.

          • FAEN

            I never understand gay men/women who are biphobic or transphobic. Of all people they should have more compassion and understanding and if you’re uneducated get the fuck educated already!

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Douche bag pecking order. That and people refusing to believe that yes, all of sexuality and gender does not subscribe to one paradigm or experience.

          • FAEN

            Why do they care that much? If everyone is a consenting adult what business is it of theirs. Live and let live.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            “But I knew this one person who did ___ so that means that everyone is the same, and I know best, the real deal, what ‘they’ are really like.”

            Yea, it’s like a ’50’s sitcom.

          • FAEN

            🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

          • JCF

            [Note: this Tweet is *still active* (not deleted)]

            https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/537157586316165120

          • thom

            OMG… i hadnt seen that one

          • William

            Soon any Trump in a government building will be wearing handcuffs and shackles.

      • Ninja0980

        Or a racist one.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        When you think about it, that’s really the worst kind of douche.

        “Sometimes I don’t feel fascist… down there.”

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Anyone who is a member of the LGBTQ community that demeans a person and their coming out story or the identity of anyone of the letters is just an asshole, period. Homo/bi/trans phobia from members of the community is particularly disgusting.

      • FAEN

        I won’t demean a gay republican for their sexuality or coming out etc but you can be damn sure I will give them hell for siding with a party that wants to kill us.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          But that’s calling out hypocrisy– and I’m right there with you.

  • fuzzybits

    This asshole will be responsible if people have to go on assistance or hopefully be in a state with medicaid. Hate thinking about it but he will have any future suicides on his watch.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      At this point, the only honorable path for the disgraced and traitorous Dumpf is seppuku.

      • Adam King

        “Honorable.” Hah.

      • bzrd

        thanks for the new word
        JMG, always an educational experience

      • coram nobis

        I’d be happy to see him commit public karaoke. One good rendition of “New York, New York” or “Delilah” should be enough to bring an impeachment within 48 hours.

  • Lazycrockett
    • thom

      I really hope Pete gets a larger role in our politics. Perfect VP candidate

      • Lazycrockett

        I want a gay white house wedding.

      • JCF

        Needs to run statewide first. Doesn’t have to win, but does have to run. (JMO)

        • Ninja0980

          Yes, if nothing else for the experience and whether or not they can handle all the mud that will come their way.

  • SoCalGal20

    LOL Rachel and Lawrence!

    • JCF

      “My girlfriend Susan’s going to kill me!”

      [re her new Iowa “boyfriend”: the guy who grilled Sen Chuck Grassley re Drumpf & Russia, and the Steele (Pee Tapes!) dossier]

      • CharlestonDave

        Whoever that dude is, his questioning of Grassley was brilliant. He really boxed Grassley into a corner with it all caught on tape. Grassley’s going to have a hard time not releasing the interview transcript now.

  • disqus_0nG5sM6pD1

    Trump dos not give a shit about anyone! Only a fucking idiot would support him! Can not wait to see the ass hole fall!

  • Lazycrockett
    • SoCalGal20

      IS HE IN THE DOSSIER?

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Good grief. Russians seem to have a shelf life less than the half life of polonium!

        • JCF

          Murder: it’s the Russian cuppa tea!

          • bzrd

            and they like it as red as rose hips

          • William

            In the olden days, they would kill their enemy and his entire family. It was revenge prevention.

    • Pat

      Another self-inflicted beating?

    • JWC

      Donny should worry

    • Adam King

      These Russian “diplomats” are all so delicate.

    • Paul

      I see the Trumpbots are trying to blame it on Hillary. Like a bad rip off of The Ring. “Read her emails and in 7 days you die!”

  • worstcultever

    Meh. Who doubts this memo is another piece of bullshit written by that seasoned legal/policy (and now /military) genius Stephen Miller.

    The military has NO respect for this WH clown bus. They do respect their soliders, infinitely more than these sick chickenhawk fucks could ever respect anything. The military can slow-walk this obvious grandstanding nonsense to oblivion if it chooses, and I think it will.

    Also

    The 2½-page memo gives Mr. Mattis six months to prepare to fully implement the new ban

    Trump will be gone by then.

    • Adam King

      And you think Pence (or whichever Nazi gets the Iron Throne) will refund this idiotic order? I hope so. Maybe if the brass gives him severe enough stink-eye.

      • bzrd

        penny will be gone too

        • sfbob

          I wish…

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Ooops. He may have lost Grassley. And he just spent the last few weeks endearing himself so much to Graham. And McCain. And Flake. And Murkowski. And Heller. And Collins. And Capito. And McConnell.

    But no worries. Tom Cotton will vote to swaddle kingbaby Trump no matter what.

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/900529867778912256

    • Lazycrockett

      I don’t trust Grassley for a second. I’ll believe it when I see it.

      • SoCalGal20

        He certainly left a lot of wiggle room. BUT, if he really is willing to vote to release the transcript that is, in the words of Uncle Joe Biden, a big fucking deal.

      • Pat

        I don’t trust him for beans, but after the past couple of weeks, plus the war with Yertle the Turtle, they might all be angling to get Pence in.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Must be something damaging to Killary in there.

  • Tor

    I despise that man more every day. My despise-o-meter has an infinity setting.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Mine is certainly stuck on full-scale-deflection.

    • Cuberly

      Not only “that man” but the entire GOP.

      • Tor

        Thank you.

        • Cuberly

          (sigh) We hang tough, it’s what we do. 😉

  • thom

    We could have had trans soldiers AND taco trucks… but noooo we worried about fucking emails

  • JCF

    Christina Greer (on Lawrence O’Donnell) is BRINGING IT!

    “[Drumpf] believes in white supremacy! He believes in superior genes!”

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Guess superior genes don’t ward off debilitating bone spurs.

      • Pat

        Or shit hair. Or the shithead under the shit hair.

        • Rocco

          Lol…excellent…

          • Pat

            I really hate him, Rocco, lol.

          • Rocco

            I am very glad, for several reasons, but mostly for selfish reasons right now: my laugh of the day. Lol…Thank you!

    • Bryan

      She is really awesome.

    • bzrd

      so interesting about his super genes since his spawn seem to be lacking in brain matter

      • SoCalGal20

        And anything super

    • Lazycrockett

      “He’s full of 80’s vhs tapes and hate.”

    • BudClark

      Every time I hear about “The Master Race” or “White Supremacy,” I simply go look at “The People of Wal-Mart.” (chuckle)

  • ohbear1957

    Adam Jentleson is hot as hell! Woof!

    • thom

      Who? What?

      • ohbear1957

        Guest on the Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell

        • thom

          Aha! I forget that JMG turns into a MSNBC viewing party at night 🙂

          • William

            I have to wait until the shows are posted on Youtube. Before they are removed for copyright violations.

          • yes b’y
          • William

            Thanks for the link. I still need a way to download it because my partner doesn’t like to enter the ‘Chamber of Global Domination’ where my computer lives.

            This video stream is running. Our internet speed out here in the stick is slow and most videos pause frequently.

      • JCF

        Former aid to Sen Reid (D) named Adam Jentleson.

    • JCF

      Heh, I looked at that guy and thought, “He looks like JMG catnip”. 😉

  • thom

    BREAKING!!!
    @OutServeSLDN and @LambdaLegal 2 file lawsuit asap after dissecting 2 1/2 page WH memo on trans military ban. https://t.co/aWm2CjFEZg

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Bring it, bitches.

      LL is one of the best organizations out there. Skip the cocktails with HRC; give to the organization that fights for us in the courts on a minute notice.

      • SoCalGal20

        I volunteered in the LA office. Nice people doing good work. Donations will be put to good use.

    • JCF

      Rachel said the lawsuits were coming PDQ!

  • Ninja0980
  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Dear LaaAArd, We bow our heads in earnest hope you hear our humble prayers and send another wave of righteous water crashing into Tony PerKKKins wicked home. We know he is behind this evil, and also touches himself whilst petting innocent farm animals. May your wrath be unbridled and severe, as he truly is deserving of your holy fury. Amen!

  • blackstar
  • So what about the transgender troops already serving, who came out as trans because they were told they could? Will they be discharged? Will they be compensated for coming out when they were told they could and then lost their jobs over it?

    • Lazycrockett

      They will lose their meds and be tried on a case by case judgement.

      • sfbob

        Look for long and expensive litigation over this.

    • coram nobis

      Does this also include personnel who are perceived as transgendered? Men who aren’t manly enough or women who aren’t feminine enough to be perceived as transgender?

      • thom

        Certainly has the potential to be a witchhunt

  • The Professor

    Hateful POS.

  • thom

    Oh shit… don’t tell Steve about this!

    “Jared Kushner and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman are becoming fast friends” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/973c245a4a42921999eab4731916719982c601f8821ea3f5139e81ecdacfcafe.jpg https://t.co/GfxCCEGue6

    • Adam King

      The Bushes will be so jealous.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Steve strikes me as the type to go “Hmmmm, threesome?”

      • thom

        LOL… I think you’re right. 🙂

    • coram nobis

      Love is a many-splendored thing.

    • Sam_Handwich

      one is raping the other, and we all know who’s who.

      and i hope there are tapes.

    • JCF
    • sfbob

      Perhaps TMI but a number of years ago I hooked up with minor Saudi royalty (or so he said; he was at any rate clearly quite well-off). Nice guy. He found it funny that he was hooking up with a Jew (he knew, before we actually met). We traded biblical references. And other things.

  • MassageBear
    • JCF

      I think impeaching Drumpf means “Make America POSSIBLY Survive”

  • coram nobis
    • JCF

      Memory eternal, Albert. [Inspiring story I read a day or two ago.]

    • SoCalGal20

      Raising a glass to you, Albert, and your comrades in arms who had your back to the end.

  • BlindBill

    Of course 45 is a draft dodger to the extreme – he does not understand service to one’s country – – time to determine the “fitness” of the commander and chief

    • sfbob

      One thing for sure: He’s NOT deployable.

      • Gretchen

        That “not deployable” line worries me. This is awful on its face without fears of how it could be “expanded” to include other groups later.

  • Cuberly

    Lambda Legal folks. If you can donate. Now more than ever our trans allies need our help.

    https://www.lambdalegal.org/donate

    • Jukesgrrl

      Sorry. I hit send just as your post appeared.

      • Cuberly

        The more donation links the better. 😉

  • Jukesgrrl

    Donation instructions for Lambda Legal.
    https://www.lambdalegal.org/donate

    • sfbob

      Done!

      • Jukesgrrl

        You’re the best!

  • Lazycrockett

    So I finished Marvel The Defenders, and its really a fun ride. No where as depressing as DD or JJ.

    Now Im on to a couple of Ken Burns docs. Tonight is the one on Mark Twain and then The Prohibition.

  • Cuberly

    OT: Well, the nazi turned himself in. Some good news today.

    https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/900550446221275137

    • KnownDonorDad

      Glad for some good news. That’s a deranged individual with access to an arsenal.

  • Michael R
    • Sam_Handwich

      nite nite ZB. be sure to score some treats

    • Cuberly

      Awww, he wants a jowl skritch, I can sense it.

      Nit ZB…..& Michael. 😉

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Don’t worry. One day your mean master will get you down from that cliff.

      (And you made sure he wouldn’t lose his ball and everything. Some gratitude…!)

  • MikeBx2

    If these numbers match your ticket I want you to know that you’ve always been my favorite. 🙂
    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/900553925220282369

    • Sam_Handwich

      i got zero numbers

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Trump voter: OMG, OMG, I have the 16, what do I win? Trump said there would be winning and he has delivered!

  • Hue-Man

    O/T k.d. lang invites Jason Kenney to Calgary Pride on Sunday, September 3rd. Kenney, formerly a Federal cabinet minister, is now running for the leadership of the newly formed United Conservative Party (UCP) in Alberta. He has a consistent anti-LGBT record (although rumored to be gay himself).

    Calgary Pride has refused to allow the UCP to march in Pride. I personally think this is a strategic error (their reasoning at the link) – it is unlikely to change their voters’ minds but it’s better to have good relations with the people who will likely form the next Alberta government.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/08/23/k-d-lang-invites-jason-kenney-to-calgary-pride-parade_a_23158916/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage
    https://twitter.com/kdlang/status/900146952188313601

    • Lazycrockett

      I love me some kdlang.

  • MAGABoy

    This ban is the brainchild of the Neocon Establishment. Trump isn’t anti trans, neither are/were the ousted Nationalists.
    https://twitter.com/DanAmira/status/814517040694165504

    • Lizard

      Wow. Just…wow. “Trump isn’t anti-trans”…yet you post a link to a tweet of him going conspiracy-theory on how a trans person’s deadname and real name can be manipulated into a sexual term, then pretended as though allowing a transgender contestant into his pageant is a great generosity on his part, not just, you know, being a decent and tolerant human being.

      If this isn’t anti-trans, then I’m the Queen of England. It’s like saying, “I’m totally for gay rights, I just wish they weren’t shoving it down my throat all the time in public.” Treating a person with basic human dignity, especially those as disadvantaged as transgender people, does not excuse nasty, pointed insults.

      • KnownDonorDad

        Come on, he held up an upside-down rainbow flag with a supportive message hastily scrawled on it, he’s totally pro-trans! /s

        • Lizard

          If you’ll excuse me a moment, I need to get my eye tic under control. And possibly beat up my pillow for a while.

      • stevenj

        He was on the other day with something similar. Get out the troll spray.

    • William

      This is Pence and friends getting their agenda moving, before Trump is dragged away in cuffs.

    • TimCA

      “Trump isn’t anti trans”

      Trump’s actual policies say differently. Your attempts at rationalization are lacking.

  • -M-

    My deepest apologies on behalf of the country to everyone who is either trans or military and especially those who are both. This won’t stand.

  • WTHella

    I he gets a chance to install another right winger on the Supreme Court we’re all fucked.

    • Sporkfighter

      Trump, Pence, or Ryan, we’re fucked anyway.

  • thom

    BREAKING? Has anyone heard about what just happened in St Louis? A car drove into a crowd of protestors. They were protesting the fatally shooting of a trangender woman.
    Driver fled
    Edit. With more details emerging this does not look like it was anti trans violence or terrorism. At all

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Is it this one?

      http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/driver-pushes-into-group-of-protesters-in-st-louis-street/article_dc8385bb-c978-5de2-8102-6737c5606894.html

      “A man had his middle fingers raised when he drove through a group of
      protesters blocking an intersection after a vigil in St. Louis on
      Wednesday night, a witness said.

      Keith Rose, who was among the protesters, said he saw the incident and could see the driver of the car as he made his way down Manchester Avenue.

      He said the driver, who he described as a middle-aged man, at one point stopped his car for a few seconds before accelerating gradually and driving into the group at Manchester and Sarah Street.

      Rose said that a protester was thrown over the hood of the car by the impact and others were hit by the car.

      Police have so far not commented on the incident but an officer at the scene said the driver was taken into custody.”

      • Lazycrockett

        ISIS must be so proud to see their techniques being used by the white Christains of today.

        • Ninja0980

          They are peas in a pod.

        • thom

          Yeah, reading more about it. It doesnt appear to be terrorism. Seems protestors surrounded car, car slowly rolled away and a few minor injuries occurred. It was illegal, he will probably be charged but it wasnt nearly the same as Charlottesville or France or Barcelona

      • Natty Enquirer

        Driver fled taken into custody
        But that’s first reports for ya.

        • thom

          Yeah, I just saw it on twitter… not on cable news yet

          • Natty Enquirer

            Maybe he ran but was captured.

      • thom

        Sounds like it. Any news on injuries?

    • thom

      It made it to Drudge…

      “CAR PLOWS THRU TRANS LIVES MATTER PROTEST…”

  • SDG

    I have already exhausted my reserve of anger and adjectives for this… this… piece of fetid sick you call a President!

    • David Walker

      I do not call it president. I won’t. I’ve called it many things in the last year; I assure you “president” hasn’t been one of them.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        “It” is really more than he deserves. You are too kind!

    • Cuberly

      As with most JMGers, I don’t think a single one of us have referred to the grifter & chief using the capital P word.

      Lord knows I haven’t.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        I’ve used Dumpf so much, it’s now a force of habit.

        • Cuberly

          I use Donnie, only because in some old interview he said he hates it when he’s called Donnie. Which pretty much confirms he’s a man-child.

      • Tammy Rainey

        I tend to use the acronym whenever possible – not POTUS but rather
        President of the
        United
        States
        i.e. PUS.

        Seems fitting

        • Cuberly

          lol….leaves considerably more to the imagination…lol…and…ewww…lol….

        • KT Kacer

          I rather like BLOTUS it fits, it is dichotomous, very accurate (Biggest Liar – etc..) and it’s overall ‘fitting”, yes?

      • coram nobis

        alt-president. alleged president. pustule.

      • grada3784

        The Pox on the United States?

    • Max_1

      The madness does have an ending… We’re just not quite there, yet.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/649938e074ce1749cc7533e238cb5cd0247a8ad6dccc92f36833757ff48a7aee.png

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: I don’t think I’ve posted this before or have I?

    https://youtu.be/pM1dJGjRHOc

    • Hanwi

      what a cutie!!

  • Tammy Rainey

    I fully expect the Federal court to slap the shit out of this within days, possibly hours, of it hitting Mattis’s desk.

  • Cuberly

    OT: More good news. Is anyone surprised that this most likely happened?

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/900454370638221314

    • Lazycrockett

      Of course they did, they already had to pay it back, but this wont go anywhere. We are in the age of the grift.

      • Cuberly

        There’s one shadow of a saving grace in all of this. The fact that Munchin will, assuredly, have a monumental divorce, one as never seen. It’ll be youuuuge! All those opportunistic foreclosure collecting bucks will be funneled to his ever so charming, soon to be former, spouse.

        I’d put money on it.

        • CharlestonDave

          But you know she’d spend it on another gap year in Africa, helping HIV children amidst the whizzing of bullets.

          • Cuberly

            She’s such the white savior ain’t she?

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Ha! The greedy billionaire munchkin jet-setting out for an eclipse party on our dime – now that’s rich!!
      Lock him up, and that Antoinette princess too.

      • coram nobis

        Munchkin? I thought he was a Ferenghi?

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          You might be right. Isn’t he the bats turd that got rich repossessing the homes of little old grannies?

          • coram nobis

            The very same. The Morley & Cratchit school of economics.

          • Bob Cratchit was the much aligned clerk who toiled for Marley & Scrooge

          • William

            He found creative ways to foreclose on homes.

    • Sam_Handwich

      RECLAIMING MY DIME!!!!

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        I can hear that perfectly in Maxine’s clarion voice from here.

        • Cuberly

          Oh her tone was freakin music to my ears, it was so over it and so taking Munchin (sp?) to the library, all at the same time.

    • JCF

      Speaking of the eclipse: I just discovered this pic (apparently it’s gone viral—but I’m not on any social media where that happens!). Taken at Smith Rocks State Park, Oregon (a couple of guys from the Bay Area scouted the park several days ahead of time, to find the right spot. Even so, they were hard-pressed to make the climb to get into position for totality)

      I think it’s pretty frickin’ awesome!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33c3e0f08b3504bd8a54a2263ba8803e7ab8bb0436f83bf6dec2126b0efaff03.jpg

    • William

      Priorities! Louise had shopping to do!!!

  • thom

    UPDATE to my earlier post on the car running onto protestors at a vigil for a trans woman who was shot. Also, an important reminder not to get news off of twitter…
    “St. Louis police said the driver stopped, honked and attempted to drive around the protesters before some of them surrounded his car and began hitting it with their hands and a flag pole.

    The police statement, from spokeswoman Schron Jackson, said that three protesters were injured after they jumped onto the car and fell off when the driver pulled away.”

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Makes one wonder how he handles slowdowns from road work crews.

      • thom

        Well, hopefully work crews aren’t hitting his car with their hands and flagpoles and jumping on his car.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          If he decided to just drive on through them, rather than finding an alternate route or cooling his heels, I’m sure the work crew would be doing more than that.

          • thom

            My guess is he wont be charged with anything other than fleeing. And that will probably be dropped

        • Max_1

          Who did the police get this information from about the driver’s car being surrounded and pelted with and flagpoles?

          • thom

            Not positive, but it was at an intersection. There will be cameras

  • charemor

    Enough of this stupid BS. Write your congress people, senators and Representatives and demand that he be removed from office.

  • Sam_Handwich

    i guess i was cooking or eating or watching baseball earlier….but watching the Rachel re-run now.

    pee tape dossier heating up like mad. wow

    • CharlestonDave

      She really is skilled at weaving the threads of the investigation to make a coherent story.

  • stevenj

    “….stop spending on medical treatment regimens for those currently serving”.

    That’s cruel. And sad. But what I expect from GOP terrorists. The whole thing sounds unconstitutional.

  • Richard B

    Despicable bigotry – Trump is strictly pandering to his religious knuckle dragging base to shore up support as his approval rating are crashing down towards the low 30% range.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Dumpf: I’m aiming for the low 20s. As any golf pro knows, low numbers are better!

    • Lazycrockett

      Im worried that his base may be bigger and more silent that we are aware of. So many polls were wrong in the last general cause people were lying bout who they were going to vote for.

      • Sam_Handwich

        Real Clear Politics’ final aggregated polling number for 2016 was Clinton +3.2%. She won the popular vote by 2.1%, well within the margin of error.

        Trump basically won by 70k votes, spread across three states. I still think this was rigged.

        • Lazycrockett

          I just think there is a stronger support for Drumpf out there that he is feeding more and more everyday. People who don’t bother to vote cause they hate government, or don’t think it does anything for them or it doesn’t matter. Drumpf speaks to these people and their racist ignorance white scare.

          • Sam_Handwich

            even if that’s true, it’s good. because Trump hasn’t accomplished any of his inane campaign promises, and he won’t. and they will go back under their rocks

          • Lazycrockett

            I will wait to see which party is getting more people registered to vote in the mid terms.

          • Sam_Handwich

            i think the debt ceiling vote is going to fuck a bunch of house republicans… for different reasons.

          • CharlestonDave

            Does the weak attendance at the Phoenix rally change your thinking at all? Several reports and videos I’ve seen suggest the main hall was sectioned off and was still only about half full, with a lot of folks leaving early or bored enough during that tedious speech to plop down and play with their phones. And the African-American dude in the white t-shirt saying Blacks for Trump is a nut job who shows up at a lot of Trump’s rallies and always gets prime seating.

            As to the support “feeding” Trump, my sense is that he’s a brittle narcissist who finds a crowd’s cheering to be oxygen for his ego.

          • Lazycrockett

            Why attend a rally when you can watch it all on CNN

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            81% of evangelicals voted for Dump and their leaders basically fawn all over him. 60 million plus Americans voted for him.

            I think Americans have to admit there’s something fundamentally wrong with a large % of our population. They at best ignored a lot of really horrible stuff ranging from incompetence to collusion to racism to sexual predator status and at worst, looooooved the opportunity to install the Republic of Gilead where the book version not only made women into sex slave/incubators but minorities were sent to polluted death labor camps.

          • JCF

            It’s a politics motivated by hate. We queers are perhaps archtypical of those that they hate, but it’s anything “feminazi” “demoncrat” “libtard” “illegal alien” (that’s foreign-born—oh hell, NON-WHITE anything) and (Stephen Miller’s old/new one) “cosmopolitan”. [And don’t forget GUNS! NRA nuts]

            Basically, if Drumpf can make people like the above (us) cry/wet the bed/die of untreated disease or (optimal case!) OFF ourselves, it’s sweet, sweet music to their ears (better even than heroin!/”but please, can we have more heroin?”)

            You know how Joe, for the last 6-7 years or so (but rarely recently) would note—after some GREAT achievement for LGBT equality—that where would be homophobic “SADZ”? For the DrumpfenKorp, there’s nothing BUT sadz. It’s not like Drumpf is doing ANYTHING concrete for them. But oh, Those Libtard Tears!

          • I read something the other day about how the terms “feminazi” “grammar-nazi” et al are used without batting an eyelash but real nazis have to be labeled “alt-right”…go figure

          • combining yours and Charlestondave’s comments: the point is a lot of people who like and support him, according to various polls… don’t vote. the turnout at the Phoenix rally was pretty telling. these are people who will be at home swilling budweiser and shouting at the faux channel on election day, if he makes it that far.

        • Ross

          It is interesting that in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, which Donnie “won” (but was not forecast to win), his current poll numbers are dismal.

          Yet more evidence that the election was rigged.

          • JCF

            Rigged, or people disliked Drumpf but voted for him anyway? I’m persuadable to the former, but I think there’s pretty strong evidence (nauseatingly so) for the latter. Everything from “But Her Emails/Benghazi!!11!” to “But the Fetuses! (SCOTUS)”.

          • I think a major element in the 2016 election was the Republicans’ 20+ year hate campaign against the Clintons.

          • And don’t forget the one glaring disqualifying reason many didn’t vote for her. She’s a FEMALE!

  • thom

    Investigators are tracking hidden income, accounts from Manafort, trying to document involvement in money laundering https://t.co/iHfip1ZZEG

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT but not really because it shows how petty he is. His administration even bitched about Obama’s White House decor:

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/trump-oval-office-renovation-wallpaper

    “Normally, this would be an uncontroversial process, newsworthy only to HGTV Magazine and Martha Stewart acolytes, but in Trump’s White House, full of leaking and backstabbing and petty feuds, an unnamed source could not resist taking a swipe at his predecessor’s design choices:

    ”[Mr. Trump] wanted to bring back the luster and the glory of the White House,” said the White House official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “The Obama wallpaper was very damaged. There were a lot of stains on it,” the official said.

    Call me paranoid but damn, does that NOT sound like Donald himself?

    • Lazycrockett

      cause you know those blacks are dirty, filthy beast.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I think it’s projection considering he probably enjoyed seeing hookers making stains in a ritzy hotel room.

        • JCF

          You “think” it’s projection? With Drumpf, when is it ever anything else?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      “Don’t look, Jackie!!!!”

      • Treant

        But it was too late…

        • Lazycrockett

          Good God
          did you just make a Ray Stevens reference????

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Oh yes they call him The Freak

          • coram nobis

            The Streak. And he’s proud of his physique.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            “Look at him! Look at him!”

  • William
  • stevenj

    O/T – The National Park Police and the SFPD are taking no chances at Crissy Field. Only 1 entry point, by foot only, everyone searched, no weapons, no backpacks, no liquids other than sealed bottled water etc etc etc. A huge section of the northern Presidio is being cordoned off. At the far right of the red zone is the single Marina Gate entry. No cars, no bikes, no parking. The blue zone is no parking and no pedestrians. Main Post is closed and no Presidio bus running. Just east of the entry point the entire Marina Green is closed to parking. The Marina Dist is notoriously hard to park in. There are nearly 2 dozen events happening citywide this weekend mostly on Saturday.

    http://sf.funcheap.com/patriot-prayer-freedom-rally-counter-protests-crissy-field/

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/507b2062da2f61f05402dc125eacbe7fd6054dc0a61c4d21115e3b3aadd3ef41.jpg

    • coram nobis

      They didn’t close off the St. Francis Yacht Club (just to the east). That’s SFPD territory but even so. There’s also the Palace of Fine Arts (the half-moon structure also just to the east). Tourist attraction and the terminus for the 30 Stockton trolley bus.

    • BobSF_94117

      Ridiculous.

  • Lazycrockett
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noneMROp_E8

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  • blackstar
  • david fairfield

    Again, surprise. I’m sick and fucking tired of this bullshit. TRAP DOOR!

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: You can get suspended from Twitter for sexually harassing Tony the Tiger but you get to stay on no matter what you say and do if you’re Donald Trump or into harassing actual real people.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/you-can-release-your-great-all-inside-me-daddy?bfsource=bbf_enau&utm_term=.io5aZaNlm#.ujjwxwZnO

    “The Tony tweet popped into my feed as a promoted tweet, I have a special loathing of these things. If you give me an opportunity to interact with a #brand that’s popping into my timeline without my consent, I’m gonna get weird,” he said. “I thought ‘I’d fuck that tiger’ would be a funny joke and tweeted it without giving it a second thought. Just the idea of sexualizing this corporate cereal mascot struck me as a suitably bizarre thing to share with the sort of people who like to interact with promoted tweets from multi-billion-dollar food processing conglomerates.”

    Edited to warn you that other people have sent Tony the Tiger some REALLY weird tweets and Buzzfeed has some examples of them.

  • bonncaruso

    I can guarantee readers here that straight men and women in the military are not going to respond to this well at all, for they know they when someone has your back, their blood is just as red as yours when they bleed and it doesn’t matter one fucking bit whether they are straight, gay or transgender. Believe me, you guys have many more str8 allies than you may realize. The shit is about to hit the fan at the Pentagon and this is not going to be pretty. Expect straights to leave the military over this as well.

  • billbear1961
  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a57164/trump-arizona-speech/

    This person says what I think:

    “I have no more patience, and I had very little to start with. I don’t care why you’re anxious. I don’t care for anybody’s interpretation of why you voted for this abomination of a politician, and why you cheer him now, because any explanation not rooted in the nastier bits of basic human spleen is worthless. I don’t want any politicians who seek to appeal to the more benign manifestations of your condition because there’s no way to separate those from all the rest of the hate and fear and stupidity. (And, for my colleagues in the Vance-Arnade-Zito school of Trump Whispering, here’s a hint: They hate you, too.) I don’t care why you sat out in a roasting pan since 5 a.m. Tuesday morning to whistle and cheer and stomp your feet for a scared, dangerous little man who tells you that your every bloody fantasy about your enemies is the height of patriotism. You are now the declared adversaries of what I do for a living, and your idol is a danger to the country and so are you. Own it. Deal with it. And, for the love of god, and for the sake of the rest of us who live in this country, do better at being citizens.”

    • JCF

      Also from the above (thx for the link!)

      “those people who waited for hours in 105-degree heat so that they could
      have the G-spot of their irrationality properly stroked for them. You’re
      all suckers. You’re dim and you’re ignorant and you can’t even feel
      yourself sliding toward something that will surprise even you with its
      fundamental ugliness, something that everybody who can see past the veil
      of their emotions can see as plain as a church by daylight, to borrow a
      phrase from that Willie Shakespeare fella. The problem, of course, is
      that you, in your pathetic desire to be loved by a guy who wouldn’t have
      15 seconds for you on the street, are dragging the rest of us toward
      that end, too.”

      The problem w/ this is the Dunning-Kroger Effect: the ignorant don’t know they’re ignorant. And there’s a corollary to this, too (don’t know if it has a name): the more call an ignorant person “ignorant”, the more willfully ignorant they will act: strictly in reaction. The more you call a white racist “racist”, the more racist they will act. [I think homophobia’s a little different—more sexual hang-ups and fundamentalism—but it may eventually get there, too. Call a homophobe “homophobe”, and they’ll act more homophobic.]

      It’s the defensiveness. I think we ALL have defensiveness, to some extent (ala “human condition”)—but “well-integrated personalities” can take in new information. “Hmm, maybe I AM prejudiced against _________. I’m going to behave differently, now. Treat ________ as individuals—as if they are as different, in-group, as my kind are (because a lot of my kind are assholes!).”

      But when you become so withdrawn in your shell, that ALL you have is defensiveness?

      See re my comment on “The Sadz” below. “I won’t take in any new information, and I will define myself by how much I can make YOU unhappy!”

      And here we are.

  • i’m gonna drop this here b/c it’s a scary fucking world right now. well, i may be a complete stupid idiot and have put my whole family at
    risk. so here’s the stuff i want yall to know, in case anything bad
    happens.

    we’ve been renting a room for extra money this year, we
    had a really nice renter but he had to leave and go to another state for
    a new job. i put up a CL ad, and got a lot of responses but basically
    this is a poor, black neighborhood and almost all of them weren’t
    interested in it after learning the general location. i got what sounded
    like a person of real interest and who said “she” wanted to take it,
    but she only texted me and said she was hard of hearing and couldn’t
    talk on the phone. i sent her an email, she responded, and claimed her
    “boss” would be sending the security deposit to hold the room while she
    was out of town. i sent her the mailing information, not any banking
    info, and asked for a money order and gave her the option of using my
    paypal account. because i used my real name and address it’s easy to
    find that paypal info; right now there’s no money in it so i’m not
    worried about that part. but i am worried that this person is a nazi b/c
    of some phishy sounding parts in her replies. i sent the email to some
    friends and i’m posting this here in case anything happens to us/me.

    i’ve
    always be open about my life online and i’ve never really had any
    problems doing that or resulting in it. but these are scary times and i
    feel i should take these steps to ensure that if anything does happen
    there is a record and my friends in the world will know about it and
    what it may mean. those of you who have my email address can contact me
    and i’ll send you copies of the exchange. i feel kind of stupid right
    now, but i’ve just been so broke and even with the new jerb situation i
    still wanted that extra income so i was just a little too blinded by
    what sounded like a person who was truly going to put some cash in my
    hand soon.

    i don’t sleep well and woke up as this all kind of
    hit me in a “duh” way and now i’m a tad spooked. anyway, thanks for
    being my friends. i’ll be sharing this with my morning neighborhood safety patrol folks as well, just to be thorough.

    • billbear1961
    • SDG

      If it sounds fishy, then you should go with your gut instincts and withdraw the offer.

    • barrixines

      Sounds to me like a scam. My father in law runs a holiday lets business gets these sort of convoluted stories all the time – usually it’s part of a scheme to pass stolen/dud cheques for an amount greater than what is owed and then get you to refund the difference. Or just to get hold of all your financial details. This is not the way normal people go about renting their homes. Go with your instincts – withdraw the offer.

  • Rebecca Gardner
  • JCF
  • Dale Snyder

    Any words from the Log Crappin Republicans?

    • But of course not! Their only concern is their pocketbook. As long as cheetolini is cutting money from the budget, they are happy! Until he comes for them

  • JCF

    Sen Robert Blumenthal (just now, on Morning Joe): “What did the President know, and when did he know it?”

    >:-D

  • JackFknTwist

    Trump is now that most dangerous animal, a cornered rat.
    Will he conjure a war to save The House of Trump ?
    If he does, will you all worship a “war-time president”?
    Will the military stop his Dr Strangelove dementia from destroying everything?
    Tune in next week for another exciting episode of “From Trump to Eternity”.

  • Dana Stinson

    Stop Medical Treatment? Fuck you Trump. First the military and then the medical treatment for the rest of the transgender population. Go fuck off a cliff.

  • Dunkerblinker

    The ability to deploy should be the measure all active duty members should be held accountable. The Trans ban is ignorant and continued evidence this vile orange idiot is about creating a divide among Americans. 2020 cannot get here fast enough!

    • JackFknTwist

      Surely “ability to deploy” is already the criterion for serving in the US army ?

      What the hell is Trump farting about ?
      Answer : pure bigotry.

  • Baylee Peach

    Oh, by all means, let a draft dodger decide whether or not a soldier gets to serve.

  • “Jim Mattis to consider a service member’s ability to deploy in deciding whether to kick them out of the military”.

    For me, I wouldn’t want anyone that is unable to deploy, whether you are straight or not. You do not rate people on WHO they are, you rate people on their abilities and character – or the lack thereof, in the case of trump.

    • And why would you think that trans service members, wouldn’t be unable to deploy?

      • I don’t. My point is “transgender” is “who” a person is and should not be rated as such. Every servicemember should be rated on their ability to deploy based on their character and performance, not their gender.

        • Ahh, ok. I understand now, thanks!

  • fuow

    This is what happens when we don’t vote because we have made the perfect the enemy of the good.
    The nutcases, the hate driven christers always vote, regardless of how weak their candidate is.
    Will we ever learn?

  • lymis

    “Mr. Mattis under the new policy is expected to consider “deployability”—the ability to serve in a war zone, participate in exercises or live for months on a ship—as the primary legal means to decide whether to separate service members from the military, the officials said.”

    I would hope they’re considering that as a factor for ALL servicemembers, not just the transgender ones.

    If your job is to go to war, you should be able to do that. If your job isn’t to go to war (and not everyone in the military is expected to do so), then being trans shouldn’t matter. I’d hope (but sadly, not actually expect) that we learned something when we pitched out all those gay intelligence folks who are Arab linguists just when we needed every possible person available to analyze Al Qaida.

    And, clearly, these people haven’t met trans servicemembers.

  • This shall not stand.

    • JCF

      You’re darn patootin’!

  • Professor Barnhardt

    Try the Twitter account for free access.

    Retweeted by David Fahrenthold: https://twitter.com/Fahernthold

    White House to direct Pentagon to deny admission to transgender people, give Mattis power to remove those serving
    https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/900517532960006144

    or:

    Scoop: new details about what the WH is telling DoD and Mattis to do on transgender ban, memo to Penty soon
    https://twitter.com/glubold/status/900517324347887617

  • kaydenpat

    Wow. This is horrendous. This must be stopped.

  • Kelly Lape

    The joint chiefs have already declared that it’s better to keep transgender troops than it is to purge the military thus destroying moral.

    It will be interesting to see if Mattis uses the discretionary power to discharge anyone. The key point being if the troops are capable of deploying. This is just a red herring designed to placate the maniacs who voted for Trump while having no effect in the real world.

    Won’t allow transgendered to enlist? That’s not a question that’s asked. It’s also not a good measure, denying ones gender dysphoria to oneself is very common and once recognized that person is already “in” the military so therefor not enlisting.

    • wmforr

      Fact is, Congress should take action and pass legislation now to keep this sociopath from totally destroying our military.

      • Kelly Lape

        He is commander in chief. However, the Congress was very quick to act in ’93 with DADT. I guess they only act when a Democratic President is in office.