Trump Disbands Federal Climate Change Advisory Group

The Washington Post reports:

The Trump administration has decided to disband the federal advisory panel for the National Climate Assessment, a group aimed at helping policymakers and private-sector officials incorporate the government’s climate analysis into long-term planning.

The charter for the 15-person Advisory Committee for the Sustained National Climate Assessment — which includes academics as well as local officials and corporate representatives — expires Sunday. On Friday, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s acting administrator, Ben Friedman, informed the committee’s chair that the agency would not renew the panel.

The committee was established to help translate findings from the National Climate Assessment into concrete guidance for both public and private-sector officials. Its members have been writing a report to inform federal officials on the data sets and approaches that would best be included, and chair Richard Moss said in an interview Saturday that ending the group’s work was shortsighted.

  • TrueWords

    Was Obama’s name of it?

  • geoffalnutt

    He’s going to disband everything – with his eye on dictatorship. No one can ever tell Trump what to do….except Ivanka, maybe.

  • RoFaWh

    The crazy old fascist is truly nuts. He apparently thinks that if he doesn’t like this or that fact (sea level rise being one), he simply turns his (and the country’s) back on it and acts as those that it were not a fact.

    Like a three-year old having a tantrum because he can’t have another scoop of ice cream even though Mother (cue Pence) has explained that there’s no ice cream left, and even shown him the empty freezer and carton from which his first scoop came.

  • safari

    Donald also undid an Obama-era policy to take into consideration climate change when building in areas that could flood.

    • RoFaWh

      The insurance companies may be the ones who say “no more building within X feet of sea level, nor in any area within the thousand year flood zone.”

      What will the dear old crazy fascist do then when his secret friends complain vociferously?

      • Nowhereman

        Yeah, but people will build there anyway unless you specifically forbid it.

        • melllt

          And then beg for federal dollars to fix their communities.

      • Tulle Christensen

        only the federal government provides flood insurance anymore. Soon they will be saddled with providing wind damage insurance too

      • clay

        It was tied to his infrastructure “streamlining”– why should we waste money on long-term structures like roads we won’t be able to use within the century? Why build a waste-water treatment plant below water?

        • RoFaWh

          Like the Fukushima reactors (designed by GE). “Oh, no, no tsunami will ever reach that high.”

          Yeah, sure.

          I’ve read when those reactors were being designed, one engineer on the project complained to his manager that the design was inherently dangerous. Nothing happened, so he bailed and found another job elsewhere.

          The idea of a waste-fuel pool hanging from the roof is, to me, insane on its face, for example.

          • clay

            The Soviet Union’s designs were foolish, as well. Control rods and coolant were below the reactor core, so they had to have power to dampen the reaction.

  • SoCalGal20

    Why doesn’t he just stop dicking around and just disband the government since that SEEMS to be what he actually wants to do?

    • RoFaWh

      That’s what Bannon wanted to do, burn the whole thing down.

      These fools (and they are fools, no two ways about it) never stop to contemplate the question “why does such-and-such branch of government even exist?”

      • Nowhereman

        He was bitching about how hard Obamacare was hitting his employees, while in fact his employees weren’t on Obamacare.

      • glass

        Exactly. People who are so vocal about deleting “the government” or “big government”, have no clue how the government actually works.
        What needs fixing is the corruption in government. It’s not the size of the machine, but the quality, that matters.

        • RoFaWh

          IMO (with emphasis on the M) an important issue never mentioned is that the statute books slowly fill up with obsolete material, yet government has no organized on-going system to methodically review the books, identify the obsolete material, and get rid of it.

          • glass

            That’s one of my pet peeves! This should be an annual thing that each government body addresses. Municipal, County, State and Federal, all are too lazy to put in place a simple system to delete outdated and obsolete laws.

        • boatboy_srq

          Consider that the same ones demanding and end to Big Gummint are the ones that defend the fascists in Charlottesville because they had a permit for their “event.”

      • melllt

        I don’t know about that. They probably do know, they just dont care because the all those pesky rules/recommendations might get in the way of profits.

        And I’ll bet you fifty bucks Trump probably isn’t even aware this happened (it aint gonna be on fox news). Some shitgibbon told him he should disband the panel, and without asking/learning anything about it he said lets do it.

      • boatboy_srq

        Isn’t it amazing? Thirty years ago, anarchists were radical Left. Now look at them making a home among the radical Right.

    • Cuberly

      Listening to Joel Pollack from Breitbart talk about how he’s for limited government as intended via the Constitution. Which of course is total bs. Discarding precedent is not only dangerous but disingenuous. Blaming environmental regs for the shuttering of industries is an easy target because of course the founding fathers would have never had an EPA. Having flammable rivers is a plus right?

      Why is it I never hear about the specific regs that the corp/gop masters want to abolish. I never hear them. It’s the very notion of gov involvement that these assholes want to remove. They just don’t care about the benefits and necessity of gov oversight in specific instances.

      Sorry for the rant but this abolish all regs bullshit is so disingenuous and it pisses me the hell off.

      • Nowhereman

        The preamble to the Constitution lays out the basic reasons for forming our government, and the “common welfare” is one of them.

        • Cuberly

          I assume the GOP spin would interpret that as being free from gov encumbrance.

        • Uncle Mark

          Yeah, but the GOP will point out that the “common welfare” applies to corporations, since “corporations are people too.” I might also point out how the corporations are accepting more welfare from the gov’t than the common man.

          • JW Swift

            Which is exactly what they want.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        They call them job killing regs
        We call them protections.

        • Cuberly

          Thalidomide babies for everyone!

          • AtticusP

            Oprah’s comeback show!

            You get a little Thalidomide baby! And YOU get a little Thalidomide baby!
            And YOU…”

          • Cuberly

            Look under your chair! Ewwwww…..

          • AtticusP

            Wet-Naps for everyone!

          • Cuberly

            Get the wet vac!

          • Queequeg

            And, hey, what’s wrong with lead paint, DDT and asbestos anyway? Make America sick again.

          • AtticusP

            Just look how far Donald Trump and Sarah Palin have come!

          • RoFaWh

            Two microns each?

          • AtticusP

            And that’s being generous…

          • Queequeg

            I think Sarah chewed a lot of painted woodwork as a child. Trump was dropped on his head as a baby.

          • AtticusP

            “Trump was dropped on his head as a baby.”

            Repeatedly, and with great gusto!

          • JWC

            Sick..Ina roll

        • Sporkfighter

          But Cuberly is right; they complain about job-killing regulations, but they never identify a specific regulation. Is it health department regulations and inspections of restaurants? Is it fire codes that require sufficient exits for the proposed occupancy of the building? Is it licensing requirements for doctors and nurses? They don’t say because they can’t say. Most regulations exist for a reason, and the reason is pretty easy to discern.

          • Cackalaquiano

            The GOP knows that government is a necessity, but they’ve built up such a narrative over decades that all government is bad. They get elected, they have to deliver on their antigovernment promises, so they do things like unravel fire safety requirements. Years later, umpteen people die in a fire because no exits, and the regulations have to be reinstated. But now private businesses have to pay tons to retrofit their facilities (not to mention folks who died needlessly). But none of that matters because the politicians were reelected for their ability to undo regulation.
            And the cycle continues.
            Call me jaded.

          • Cuberly

            Which begs the question. If a reg has out lasted it’s relevance or if it’s imperfect and impacts individuals in a negative way outside of it’s original intent. Doesn’t that mean that the regulations should be researched, revisited, and if needed, amended? Gee, can I contact my Rep and bring that to their attention? Seems like that’s how the system works…or at least how it’s supposed to work.

            All it takes is a political will and capacity to write revised legislation to amend problematic regs.

            It’s excruciatingly frustrating how moneyed interests play off the ignorance of the populace at large. Our system of government is designed to be slow to change there’s area reason for the balance of systems in place to provide checks and balances but political will is all that’s needed.

        • clay

          That, oddly, they’re requiring Mexico to meet as a way to make NAFTA more fair. I agree that NAFTA should include labor and environmental protections, but it’s their moralism I dislike– requiring it of Mexico while stripping it from the US.

      • Ninja0980

        Angers me too and this BS that the Constitution isn’t a living document as a judicial philosophy is bunk.
        The idea the founding fathers magically agree with every right wing idea is a boat load of crap.

        • Bluto

          god does, so why not the founding fathers?

        • Cuberly

          All one has to do is look at how Scalia was completely and totally political. His contradictions could fill volumes. His was a political philosophy not a judicial one.

        • Rob NYNY

          You’re wrong! Scalia had the incredible power to read the minds of a couple of hundred guys who died 200 years ago, to establish that they all agreed on everything; that they anticipated two centuries of changes in technology, law, and society; and, most miraculous of all, THEY ALL AGREE WITH HIM!!!! God’s will at work.

          • Cuberly

            Thomas Jefferson….if you hear me knock once for yes twice for no!

      • RoFaWh

        Your rant is sensible and you needn’t apologize for it.

        • Cuberly

          Thanks 😉

      • clay

        Trump got rid of one this week, with that infrastructure announcement. Obama ordered no federal funding for new infrastructure likely to be flooded considering climate change. Trump says, no, go ahead and throw the money away. Meanwhile, he’s suing local governments to build sea walls to protect his own property in Florida and Scotland.

      • boatboy_srq

        Blaming environmental regs for the shuttering of industries is an easy target because of course the founding fathers would have never had an EPA.

        One reason Randian libertarianism is an anachronism in industrial and post-industrial society is that the libertarian norms don’t take into account the toxicity of modern industry. The FFs would have never had an EPA because the FFs didn’t need an EPA: 18th century industry just wasn’t destructive enough to warrant regulation. There were no Monsantos nor DuPonts nor Massey Energys nor any of the rest to make agriculture and mining so toxic, nor Walmarts nor Federated Department Stores nor Dollar Generals to fleece the colonial consumer selling them shoddy merchandise at bottom dollar while starving their workers. The conditions that warrant regulation today weren’t present 250 years ago. Describing the US Constitution as “not a living document” denies all the innovation in industry and commerce over the last three centuries.

        • Cuberly

          Very well put. Thanks for articulating what I’ve been thinking for decades.

      • Regs mean you just can’t do whatever you want…how unAmerican! How inconvenient. What, pay someone to haul away my trash? I can’t dump motor oil from my auto shop in the creek? I have to wear a seat belt? Purchase auto insurance? Can’t slap the brat across the face? Have to have a medical license to practice medicine? How dare they.

        • Cuberly

          The horrors of accommodating the common good.

    • AtticusP

      That would be way too straightforward. He has to do it sneakily. That way, he feels like he’s getting away with something.

      POTUS is a five-year-old child.

      • RoFaWh

        Judging from some of Youtube’s tantrum videos, more like a three year old.

    • Dramphooey

      They don’t small government and never did. They want weak government, which they can rob.

    • clay

      That’s NEXT month.

  • Salton

    When is he going to disband his whole administration?

    • safari

      After Tuesday

      • Salton

        Lol!

    • sword

      If only he would disband the Presidency for one term

  • SoCalGal20
  • JWC

    there is NO Climate Change so who needs a friggin council

  • Reality.Bites
    • safari

      In theory we have two other branches to help with outbursts in the US.

      • thatotherjean

        So far, though, it’s only a theory.

  • Paula

    Trump can’t wait until all of California’s inland valleys are flooded by the ocean. Then he can take credit for creating new fishing grounds.
    Just wait until the Marlin fishing charters start along the Shenandoah Valley.

    • Paula
      • Tomcat

        What no water coming into the great lakes?

      • Tomcat

        At least the WALL will be safe.

      • Cuberly

        I remember reading an article about how global warming increases shallow continental shelf water space that can accelerate warming. Certain dangerous algeas love shallower water where light can pierce farther down. That coupled with nitrogen rich agricultural runoff is a disaster waiting to happen.

        • Paula

          That’s all liberal elitist mumbo jumbo. Jeebus will provide for them. /s

          • clay

            Jesus wants us to eat beef, like real men. Fish is cheap trash food you might as well just give away.

            /s

        • JW Swift

          Parts of Florida, including within Lake Okeechobee itself, have been hit with toxic algae blooms the past few years which have been making people (and wildlife) sick. Fishing charters, fishing and sport boat builders in the area, and many tourist-related industries have been having really bad years.

          Probably more to do with man-made flood mitigation efforts and things, rather than outright climate change, but then again, most of the drainage canals and locks and such have been in place for decades and somehow these blooms are only starting to blow-up relatively recently. I’m no environmental scientist, but it all sure seems fishy to me.

      • Cackalaquiano

        Yep. I’m under water.

      • RoFaWh

        One possible omission: the extension of the
        Gulf of California northwards. toward the Basin & Range Province.

        Edit: Will salt water flood Death Valley too?

        • clay

          It’s there, though hard to see at this scale. The entire Imperial Valley is shown as flooded (see the location of San Diego relative to the north end of the Gulf).

        • Paula

          You mean the northern shores of the Sea of Cortez? That part will be in the U.S. Just think, the Salton Sea will live again.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Well, let’s be honest. Having the only place in the known universe that supports our form of life is totally over rated.

  • ohbear1957
    • Friday

      I kind of want one of those for my house now. More for purposes of, “OK, time for bed, nighty night.” *disappearing.* 🙂

  • Stogiebear

    I sincerely wonder how long it will be before he announces he has dissolved Congress. And I wonder further just who and how he will get slapped down for thinking he had that power to begin with. I hope the slap down is swift and severe.

  • SoCalGal20

    Help support this Indiegogo project if you are so inclined! This just came across my twitter feed.

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/one-great-community-bookstore-books?platform=hootsuite#/

  • Treant

    Typical. While I and mine can do something, there’s a limit. But we’re talking about people who look at the below and see no value because it can’t be sold.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e935585434b6d8017cea01b0f5cfec806a16a75dfe4445a71185b5746c4551bd.jpg

    • Hue-Man

      Has Trump banned florists?

      • Treant

        That species of cosmos doesn’t cut well.

        • Bluto

          sure is purdy though.

    • Ninja0980

      Yup, they see it as a waste of time.

    • RoFaWh

      That’s the ‘Klondike’ strain of Cosmos sulphureus.

      • Treant

        Close, but no banana. It’s an heirloom version whose parents are mostly “Cosmic Red.” Nowadays, it’s redder and taller–I’m pushing it that way.

    • marshlc

      Man, I just see a cosmos and I can smell the not-actually-very-pretty smell. We always had plenty of volunteers in the vegetable garden, when I was a kid.

  • Michael R
  • AtticusP
    • Tomcat

      And humility.

      • AtticusP

        If I had to list all of the good qualities that this POTUS lacks, I think I would get nothing else done for days.

    • M Jackson

      And protection from climate change.

    • RoFaWh

      Taste.
      Modesty.
      Frugality.

      • Sporkfighter

        Honor.
        Talent.
        Loyalty.

        • JW Swift

          Empathy.

  • Nowhereman

    Well I guess this makes sense. After a thermonuclear war, maintaining the environment will be a moot point.

  • SoCalGal20
    • Hank

      It should only carry over to the Rethuglicans in those states as well

    • Ken M

      I wonder what his AZ numbers look like.

      • Jukesgrrl

        A lot of people don’t know it but Trump beat Hillary by only about 90,000 votes. That’s less than the population of Yuma. Contrary to the assumptions of many, most Arizonans also don’t like the plan for Trump’s wall and they’re against ICE’s cruel treatment of the undocumented. They understand Trump’s policies with Mexico will have a severely negative effect on the state’s economy. Since January Trump’s approval ratings in AZ have pretty much mirrored his national averages.

    • Cackalaquiano

      Fuck every one of those voters who switched between the election and now. Trump is precisely who he’d promised he would be.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    The world is going down the path of purposed stupid.
    https://twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/899327985446248448

  • Joseph Miceli

    That’s okay. I’m sure that when Washington D.C and Mar-A-Lago are both underwater Trump will have been dead for about 10 years. Too bad that not all of the morons who voted for him won’t have died by then too. Maybe they’ll enjoy their status as homeless golden agers caught up in the refugee crisis as 50 percent of the U.S. population migrates from the coasts.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    But of course he does.

  • SoCalGal20

    I guess there’s a sinkhole problem in DC (fingers crossed for Trump, McConnell, and/or Ryan) to fall in one.

    https://twitter.com/alt_uscis/status/899363664586846209

    https://twitter.com/alt_uscis/status/899364689414684672

    • Tomcat

      The demons are coming, the rest will emerge during the eclipse.

    • Friday

      Ok, Republicans, you really pissed of Mammagaia *now.* 🙂

    • bambinoitaliano

      Big trouble in little China.

  • Tomcat

    He does not need any advisors on how to destroy America, he knows more than everyone there.

  • J Ascher

    Trump won’t believe climate change is real until Mar-a-Lago is in a lake on the sea!

    • RoFaWh

      He won’t believe it even then.

      The man lives in a cocoon. (Keith Olbermann’s phrase, btw)

  • justmeeeee

    Quelle surprise!

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    OT diversion.

    I wonder what he has on his penis

    https://twitter.com/Ch2KTUU/status/899354168506236928

    • another_steve

      His poor mother, if she’s still alive.

    • Bluto

      Well, it’s more creative than Francois Sagat’s.

      • bambinoitaliano

        Who needs Francois Sagats to be creative? 😛

        • OdieDenCO

          I do. there is a whole world beyond missionary.

      • Reality.Bites

        When I see colourful tattoos like this I always think how awful and faded they’re going to look in a few years.

        My currently un-inked boyfriend has said he’d like to get a “sleeve.” Shudder.

        • RoFaWh

          Try this strategy: “Sure, Simon, that sounds like a good idea, but only if you let me choose the design.”

    • Reality.Bites

      I’m pretty sure the answer is “not a vagina in the foreseeable future.”

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Or penis

  • bkmn

    And they are on the verge of shuttering several national monuments, probably so the land can be sold for pennies on the dollar to people like Cliven Bundy who is an all around piece of shit.

    • Ninja0980

      That is something that would have happened under any Republican too.

      • Tomcat

        It hasn’t up to now.

  • MikeBx2
    • RoFaWh

      No cries of “fake news!!!”???

  • That_Looks_Delicious
  • M Jackson

    I downloaded “It” by Stephen King to my kindle this morning so I can read it before seeing the new movie. I intended to begin it this afternoon but I have spent hours on the comments section here instead.
    Would everyone on JMG today please stop being so damned entertaining!!!

    • Hue-Man

      Your wish is my command; I’m never entertaining.

    • Cuberly
      • another_steve

        That’s Liz’s face when she contemplates having to formally greet and entertain, next year, a man who has bragged about grabbing female genitalia.

        “The Queen is not pleased.”

        • Cuberly

          If ever there was a killing glance, that’s one right there.

        • thatotherjean

          To borrow a phrase from one of her ancestors,

          “We are not amused.”

        • RoFaWh

          My guess is that even if the crazy old fascist makes a state visit to the UK, they won’t let him anywhere near the Queen. He’ll just have to be jealous of her gold and diamonds from at least 250′ away.

      • Reality.Bites

        I think that’s what’s known as RRBF – Royal Resting Bitch Face

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9PlkhENUic&spfreload=10

      • billbear1961

        Her Majesty is not amused!

        Probably been thinking about Donald Dump.

      • Jukesgrrl

        “Where are the corgis. I was told there would be corgis.”

  • Ninja0980

    A friendly reminder that what is going on with the EPA and stuff like this would be happening under any Republican, whose only goal is to make the oil/coal/gas companies be happy, the planet be damned.

  • Ken M

    He’s just hoping that climate, like NK, will divert the attention off his screw ups of the last 10 days.

    • another_steve

      Not just attention off his recent screw ups, but off the ongoing Mueller investigation.

      I’ve heard well-respected pundits suggest that there’s a real possibility that Trump could seek to incite a nuclear war for those purposes.

      • Ken M

        Hopefully they will stop listening to him before anything that extreme happens.

  • Bluto
  • Treant

    OT: Here’s a fun little horror romp…but I’m seeing a lot more in it than simple horror (other than the obvious four horesemen thing going on). Watch it and see if you come to the same conclusion I did–they’re not there to destroy, per se…

    https://youtu.be/el-KDP38ky0

    • greenmanTN

      A black comedy you might like.

      https://youtu.be/LGmHAtxO-Y8

      • Treant

        Own it. 🙂

        • greenmanTN

          How about Bubba Ho-Tep?

          Elvis vs The Mummy!

          https://youtu.be/pa9331xmvhg

          • Treant

            Seen it. 🙂

          • greenmanTN

            Oh,a tough guy huh? 😉

            John Dies At The .End?

            https://youtu.be/d-fg0ec_5nM

          • Treant

            Haven’t seen it, actually!

          • greenmanTN

            Finally! 😁

          • greenmanTN

            This is a short film made by a friend of mine in Houston. I’m not saying it’s likely to win an Academy Award, but it’s pretty good.

            https://youtu.be/mHmGXjG9tTU

          • Treant

            You’ve posted this one before! My upvote is one of the seven.

            So…SEEN IT!

          • greenmanTN

            Go ahead and rub it in. I don’t mind! ☠️

          • greenmanTN

            This is based on a short story I liked, “Foet.”

            https://vimeo.com/8212654

            I first read the story the movie is based in a collection, Borderlands. The rule behind the collection was no vampires, werewolves, zombies, or ghosts, none of the usual horror tropes. Some of the stories have stuck with me to this day.

          • Treant

            LOVE IT! When they air-kissed, I wanted both of them to die painfully in a meteor impact, however…

          • greenmanTN

            The story is better IMO, kind of a distillation of fashion and the way people communicate, not verbally but though the “right” .clothes and accessories. My brother is a fashion maven, so of course I forwarded it to him. 😉

            One of my recent favorite stories is “The Bullet That Grows In The Gun,” by F Paul Wilson. The basic premise is that houses haunt themselves. That from the architect to the workmen and contractors there is a expectation that people will live there, but sometimes that never happens so empty houses create their own occupancy.

            (Stop me before I geek again!)

          • Treant

            I like that idea! I’ve been on a run of short horror/sci-fi lately myself. I’ve missed the fact that online access has made short films so much more prevalent and available. Most suck, but there are a few gems out there.

          • greenmanTN

            If you have never read it, I recommend “The House Next Door.” by Anne Rivers Siddon. Siddon is mainly known for her big-ass chick novels (an over simplified description but whatever) but this early book of hers is about a house that was “born bad” and it’s really quite good.

          • Treant

            I’ll read that! But houses are not “born bad,” they’re just raised poorly. 🙂

            I saw the movie, actually, when they had it on LMN. It wasn’t half bad.

          • greenmanTN

            I didn’t know it had ever been made into a movie so I’ll have to look for that.

            One of the best opening paragraphs ever.

            “No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream. Hill House, not sane, stood by itself against its hills, holding darkness within; it had stood for eighty years and might stand for eighty more.”

          • Treant

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0863080/?ref_=nv_sr_2

            OK, most reviewers liked it less than I did. I woulda given it a 6 or 6.5, and I remembered it immediately when you mentioned the name of the book.

          • greenmanTN

            I’m not opposed to a bit of gore every now and then…

            https://youtu.be/bqlnnh6KeDc

          • Treant

            Gore…I have to skip. I really can’t stand it, I’m too empathetic.

            I love psychological horror, I’ll tolerate jump scares, and I can handle gore of the “Scream, Blackula, Scream” style (cheesy, in other words). Blood spatter is OK. Bits and pieces are not.

          • greenmanTN

            That’s one of the reasons I like “horror” short stories. Ideally the goal is to unsettle the reader, introduce a thought or idea that throws them a bit, creates suspense.

            One of my favorites is John Collier, who wrote many great stories.

            Thus I Refute Beelzy, read by Vincent Price.

            https://youtu.be/KpdLWr_l7OI

          • Treant

            Or, as I was just watching, this. Yes, it’s what you think. No, it’s not completely what you think. And I can handle this level of blood, but did feel sorry for the pigs.

            https://vimeo.com/138816246

          • greenmanTN

            I never write to authors, except once when an author wrote an essay about cheap tactics in horror movies, like jump-scares. I posited that filmmakers had Cat-Cannons, a device that fires screeching cats through windows and such to provide cheap jump-scares.

            I really like the old Val Lewton films like Cat People, Leopard Man, I Walked With A Zombie, etc. The (apocryphal) story goes that the studio would give Lewton these terrible, sensationalist titles, then he would go off and make these subtle films where little is seen, but much is implied.

            https://youtu.be/zfbGJrAVWUo

            But sometimes a lack of subtlety can be good…

            https://youtu.be/l3akP01sgrM

  • bambinoitaliano
    • RoFaWh

      If the crazy old fascist were to see that, he wouldn’t get it.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Looks like it collapsed due to metal fatigue around the bone spurs.

  • bambinoitaliano
  • TexasBoy

    So are there any advisory groups that Trump still has left operating, other than the Evangelical Ministerial Fan Club group?

    • another_steve

      The only thing that might get the theofascist right to abandon Donald Trump is if he sodomizes a dead underage girl on live TV.

      And even then – if a Supreme Court replacement were imminent, they’d overlook it.

      • Bluto

        Depends if that dead underage girl deserves it or not. I’m willing to bet she does.

        • Mike_in_the_Tundra

          Her race will have an effect on that.

        • another_steve

          Trump:

          “I got a lovely note from the parents: President Trump, thank you so much for sodomizing our dead daughter, and please keep up the good fight to repeal Obamacare.”

      • RoFaWh

        If he did that, they’d set up video channels having it on continuous play.

  • SoCalGal20

    Article on people planning to observe how animals react during the solar eclipse.

    http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/animals-eclipse-reaction?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=atlas-page

    • BobSF_94117

      Given that the llamas could watch the eclipse, well, anywhere, what probably drew their attention was all the humans behaving oddly.

  • Jerry Kott

    Joe the Plumber is President.

    • another_steve

      Joe the Plumber can probably fix things.

      The sexual predator in the White House couldn’t fight his way out of a cardboard box.

      • RoFaWh

        Joe the plumber was not a licensed plumber.

        And his real name wasn’t Joe.

        • djcoastermark

          He just played one on the teevee .

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          Fake plumber! Fake Joe!!

  • Queequeg

    The Trump Administration is not as bad as I expected. It is actually much worse. He has done nothing positive and seems bent on destroying the country, if not the world, all out of petty resentment for Barack Obama.

  • JWC

    The one thing that Trump must really wished for was to stay out of politics and remain the minor celebrity that he was After this disgraceful stint he will never be able to go back to that

    • Tempus Fuggit

      Don’t bet money on that. Keep in mind the unbroken chain of events and revelations everyone was so sure would end him. Grab ’em by the pussy, etc.

      • JWC

        True but he leaves with more noterity

        • RoFaWh

          Sometimes there is such a thing as “bad publicity”.

      • Reality.Bites

        If nothing else, the corporate world has spoken. He’s not going to be on TV in any kind of entertainment context. He’ll be going down in history as the worst and most disgraced president in US history and it’s just going to keep going after he leaves office.

    • thatotherjean

      Since a lot of his money comes, essentially, from renting out his name to people for the cachet, no, he won’t. After this, his name will be worthless, except in circles that can’t afford his products, anyway. Too many people have seen him for what he really is.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    I am 100% convinced that Trump want to go down in history as the man who destroyed the United States.

    • safari

      Nah. That’s Bannon. Donald is just an idiot.

      • OdieDenCO

        with nukes and a daily temper tantrum

    • billbear1961

      He can only do that with our consent.

      That consent must be WITHHELD!

      That NAZI must be forced from office!

      There were ALREADY many charges–obstruction of justice and unparalleled graft chief among them–that we could lay against him even before knowing what Mueller will uncover, but his refusal to fully denounce and disown the white supremacists is the FINAL STRAW!!

      We cannot have a NAZI in the White House placing NAZIS on the courts!! He must GO!! He is an existential THREAT to the very survival of the Republic!!

      What happened in Boston yesterday, the demonstration against fascism, MUST continue on a national scale!!

      We need his financial records, secure elections, and moderates ONLY appointed to the courts!!

      https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/880984915340341248

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlT7cpD9rwc

  • billbear1961

    Coming soon to the Kennedy Center, Juditha Triumphans, starring Kathy Griffin in the role of Judith!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj5Jy07bGgo

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/53e2e92170f15b5fd84775d1e03ac94faf4ac8c9b1bd941f1861f769fadc1da5.jpg

    • djcoastermark

      Too funny. Love it.

      • billbear1961

        Hello, Dj!

        • djcoastermark

          A pleasant afternoon to you. Thanks for the chuckles.

          • billbear1961

            I actually think Juditha should be performed for a national audience to drive home a POINT.

  • Max_1
    • bambinoitaliano

      Too many words. No understand.

    • RoFaWh

      Inability? Or unwillingness?

      • Bad Tom

        Either will do.

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    • Daveed_WOW

      They understand science just fine. Therefore they are degenerates.

  • MikeBx2

    If Trump participated in a “rigorous” review, then let him take questions and provide off-the-cuff details after his prepared speech tomorrow night.
    https://twitter.com/nytimesworld/status/899380793201618945

    • Hue-Man

      “Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.”

    • another_steve

      “Rigorous review” undertaken personally by Donald Trump = one 8×10 piece of paper showing where Afghanistan is on the map, plus a picture of a camel herder.

      • billbear1961

        And even THAT overburdened him intellectually!

        • Snarkaholic

          “That’s a funny-looking dog…what breed is it?”

    • safari

      “Erik Prince says he can do it cheaper and he’s rich, so he’s right” is a strategy?

    • thatotherjean

      Rigorous review? Donald Trump? Hahahahahahahahaha (deep breath) No!

    • billbear1961

      He’s a goddamned NAZI, Mattis!

    • OdieDenCO

      translation: rigorous review – 10 point memo where 2 points covered Afghanistan and 8 points covered donny.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Sorry, but there is no way he could make it through 10 points even if 8 where about him. Something shiny would grab his attention.

        • OdieDenCO

          but now 3 of the points are pics of ivanka in progressive forms of undress saying “see below, big boy”

      • RoFaWh

        And the one-page briefing note was in 18 pt. Helvetica with very generous margins and lot of leading between lines.

    • billbear1961

      What rigour has been employed to look into and END fascist TERRORISM in this country, Mr. Secretary?!

    • Max_1

      Mattis won’t let him…
      … Crowd sizes and all.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Reality.Bites

      Although I never engage in the “are we supposed to be surprised” snark I will engage in the “are we supposed to know who he is?” snark instead.

    • bambinoitaliano

      His big break was performing Lady Gaga’s Paparazzi’s at 13. That’s like some of you singing Barb’s Don’t Rain on My Parade as kids 😛

      • Karl Dubhe

        I think some of the older guys had the hots for Frank Sinatra, when he was a teen. 🙂

    • MikeBx2

      Ellen made a big to do over him and produced a CD. I’ve wondered what’s become of him. Sounds like he’s doing alright. Good for him.

    • billbear1961

      Oh, what a pretty young man!

  • SoCalGal20

    HEADS UP NORTH CAROLINA RESIDENTS:

    The NGCA has set, on short notice because OF COURSE, 8/22/17 as the ONLY DAY for constituent comments on the SCOTUS ruling regarding gerrymandering. There are several locations that will be set up to take comments but it’s ONLY one day. Go to this guy’s twitter for all the info on locations.

    https://twitter.com/beauwillimon/status/899038377336590336

    • Ninja0980

      The courts are letting Republicans redo the maps.
      Stupid, stupid, STUPID!

      • SoCalGal20

        What is the point? They should have a special bipartisan commission draw up the districts or the court should appoint a commission to do it. Do they at least have to get court approval for the redrawn districts?

  • TexasBoy

    Science is hard.

  • thatotherjean

    Shortsighted? The Trump administration isn’t shortsighted, it’s blind as a bat without echolocation–and not just about climate change.

    • canoebum

      It’s not blind at all. The Regime is deliberately taking a wrecking ball to anything that makes sense or resembles good governance. We’ll be decades digging out the hole in which this evil cabal has buried us.

      • LudicrousSextus

        Get back to us when climate hysteria is remotely close to proven…

        • canoebum

          Get back to us when you drop dead. How much of your brain was damaged when your mother dropped you on your head?

          • LudicrousSextus

            *Brilliant* comeback. As usual from imbeciles who can’t manage to prove where their hysteria is coming from. What *is* it with climate clowns and an inability to address actual data?

            Using the NASA data from 2010 the surface temperature globally from 1940 until today has fallen by 1.110°C, and since 2000 it has fallen 0.4223°C […]. The cooling has hit every continent except for Australia, which warmed by 0.6339°C since 2000. The figures for Europe: From 1940 to 2010, using the data from 2010, there was a cooling of 0.5465°C and a cooling of 0.3739°C since 2000.”

          • Treant

            (Tugs sleeve) Of course, if I use a different data slice, I can easily prove that the temperatures have risen 3° C in just a few years.

            For that reason, comparative time slices of less than twenty years or so aren’t considered indicative of anything much, with thirty or more years averaging out temporary and transient highs and lows caused by El Nino/La Nina/neutral conditions along with all concomitant oscillations, and incidental coincidences.

            The data you’re using is considered crap for a reason. But some of us can do math…and then there’s the likes of you.

          • Priya Lynn

            You’re using satelite data which doesn’t measure surface temperature and is well documented to be flawed.

          • RoFaWh

            He’s a paid troll.

            You can always tell; they smell a little funny.

          • Reality.Bites

            Your mother would have dropped you too if she’d lacked opposable thumbs.

        • Priya Lynn

          Its well proven.

          You can deny reality but reality doesn’t care. The human race will be extinct in 500 years because of people like you.

      • thatotherjean

        I’m not so sure it isn’t blindness, but I do agree that we’ll be decades, probably many of them, cleaning up the mess that this administration will leave us. I wonder if the damage will slow or accelerate now that Bannon is back at Breitbart?

        • RoFaWh

          He clearly thinks that none of his wrecking will affect his own life.

          That may be true, given his girth and appearance of bad health. A stroke or heart attack could easily carry him away before he drowns at maralago.

  • Max_1
  • Max_1
    • LudicrousSextus

      More like stupidity in action. Absent the ‘adjustments‘ re-writing of historical temperatures by NASA/NOAA – we’re still in a cooling trend.

      Ever heard of ‘solar minimum’? That’s where we’re currently going. Cooler.

      • Bad Tom

        You are dead wrong.

        From the American Institute for Physics: Changing Sun, Changing Climate?

        The next crucial question was whether a rise in the Sun’s activity could explain the global warming seen in the 20th century? By the 1990s, there was a tentative answer: minor solar variations could indeed have been partly responsible for some past fluctuations… but future warming from the rise in greenhouse gases was far outweigh any solar effects.

        Funny how actual scientists disagree with you 100%.

        • LudicrousSextus

          Nice try. Except for the accuracy part…

          The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) no longer claims a greater likelihood of significant as opposed to negligible future warming,

          • Bad Tom

            QUOTE THE FUCKING LINK.

          • Max_1

            http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/effect-of-sun-on-climate-faq.html#.WZoSZih95hE

            When computer models include human-induced heat-trapping gases, they accurately reproduce the observed warming during the twentieth and twenty-first centuries.

            The evidence shows that although fluctuations in the amount of solar energy reaching our atmosphere do influence our climate, the global warming trend of the past six decades cannot be attributed to changes in the sun.

            Last revised date: August 3, 2017

          • RoFaWh

            You are a right-wing false-news reporter.

            Go away, vile troll.

          • Bad Tom

            After 16 hours YOU NEVER QUOTED A LINK SUPPORTING YOUR ASSERTION.

            Assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

      • Max_1
      • Cuberly

        Why do you omit citing sources?

      • Max_1

        Hottest month on record = COOLING TREND???

        Here’s your simple lesson on your Solar Minimum…
        … Clue: IT HAS NO FUCKING EFFECT ON MAN MADE CARBON EMISSIONS. In fact, you’re purposefully showing off your ignorance OR you’re a troll being an asshole because you can. Either way, we see your shitty outfit on your catwalk, dear. And you look like shit.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBKJkU06ICQ

        • clay

          Also, solar minimum leads to increased upper-atmosphere warming due to greater particle interaction. More sun spots, more solar flares, mean MORE solar wind. And besides, the models already account for solar cycles.

      • Priya Lynn

        You’re lying.

  • Max_1
  • Max_1
  • JT
  • Treant

    OT: Another from today, an heirloom “yellow” zinnia that cross-bred to produce a tangerine. I’m allowing all the flowers on this plant to remain and I’ll collect them at the end of the season. I’ll also try to clone the plant in October. It’s an unreliable double, with the one in the photo being a semi-double. I find that, with this color, I don’t care.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bbec779c128dd73ad189279e590f10680ab22144e2bc4faac7d7db7342dd15fd.jpg

  • Galvestonian

    I’m 74 and I can remember the ‘good ‘ol days’ of air-born pollution. I guess it was in the early 1950’s that my parents and my brother and I were driving from Philly to Westerly, R.I. to visit with my grandparents. We were close to the Conn. and R.I State lines ( at night ) when we hit what was known as a ‘pea souper’ – the fog was a bilious yellow-green and was so thick that I had to get out of the car and walk on the white line so that my dad could stay on the road. Finally a car pulled in front of us and we followed his tail lights for miles until he finally stopped. My dad got out of the car to see what was the matter and asked the gentleman driving the car why he had stopped. “I’m in my driveway “, the guy replied. He gave us further directions and we fumbled our way to my grandfather’s farm.

    • LudicrousSextus

      There was a time a half century ago where every town had smokestacks. Those times are history. Much like the history showing we’re not remotely hitting the temps of the Medieval warming period – which happened curiously without industrial output…

      Bet you remember the ‘Impending Ice Age’ scientists guaranteed in the 70’s as well…

      • Lazycrockett

        and it has been such a pleasant Sunday.

        • OdieDenCO

          still is pleasant Sunday. blocking an idiot is always good.

          • LudicrousSextus

            So you have no mirrors in your house?

            Here’s a query for you…who’s killed more human beings? The fossil fuel industry? Or the EPA?

            If you don’t know the answer, you’re probably not bright enough to be in the discussion…

          • Treant

            Are you sure you shouldn’t be “NeverHasSextus?” But yes, I’ve also blocked you.

          • LudicrousSextus

            Coward, eh?

          • Tulle Christensen

            you are an idiot who is not smart enough to understand the science, and spend your time spouting talking points fed to you by people who want to make a buck and do not care how much you or your children suffer,

            you are a fool, you can spend time and learn the science or you can take the word of 97% of the climate scientist, or you can deny the facts and suffer later on

            I am lucky to have a science background and understand the research and processes involved. I can tell you do not

          • Tulle Christensen

            plus you never addressed my neighbors yard, either me or my parents lived in my house since 1986, their yard did not flood on full and new moons until a few years ago

            hey it will flood tonight,,,want pictures

          • Natty Enquirer

            Hillary infiltrated the EPA, too? Dang, that witch really got around.

          • jsmukg

            And there’s ice in your drink, so of course there is no climate change nor global warming.
            You are too silly to waste more time on. Blocked.

          • Tulle Christensen

            well let me see, here how about this, why don’t you look up how much lead was being pumped into the environment in 1975 by vehicles and how much now

            and if you think lead is ok, I can get you some water from Flint

        • Ninja0980

          I just blocked him, no time for trolls.

          • LudicrousSextus

            Yeah well. ‘Intellectuals’ who can’t make an argument generally hide…

      • Cuberly

        Citation?

        • -M-

          They didn’t. The media oversimplified & sensationalized theorizing that the current interglacial was going to end in a few thousand years.

          Newer and better models suggest that without anthropogenic global warming due to greenhouse gas emissions it would still be 50,000 years before natural climate cycles turn toward a new glaciaction.

      • Priya Lynn

        “Bet you remember the ‘Impending Ice Age’ scientists guaranteed in the 70’s as well…”.

        That’s a right wing myth. Only a handful of scientists were saying that then and the majority consensus amongst scientists was still that the globe was warming.

    • Treant

      We should note that all the photos I’m posting are of dahlia, marigold, zinnia, and saliva. And that I no longer grow–because I can no longer grow–much in the way of Impatiens, snapdragon, and so on. The four Impatiens I have this year are already crapping out. It’s just too hot any more.

      • Max_1

        Who knew snapdragons were shade loving plants…
        … And they don’t call ’em impatients for nothing. 😛

        • Treant

          Snaps actually enjoy full sun, but don’t blossom well in hot temperatures. They’re more spring/fall flowers in the hottest areas. Which Pennsylvania shouldn’t be, but has been for the last fifteen years…

          These days, I can’t keep pansies alive over the summer in sun, and it’s a struggle in shade, so I’ve given up growing them.

          • Max_1

            I know, I know… years ago I collected snapdragon seeds in the early summer and sprinkled them all over my front yard’s patch of soil, 20’x5’… All throughout that fall and late winter I was out there almost every evening (key time) with a flashlight picking off caterpillars. They can eat a plant in one night… Fertilized well with a lot of organic stuffs and regularly sprayed w/ chewing tobacco and corn syrup. during the growing season (early spring). I had a literal forest of snaps over 6′ tall…

      • Galvestonian

        Try growing stuff in a plant zone higher in number than your own — the plant zones are shifting. You could most probably grow stuff in a zone higher than your own…check out a Burpees catalog or a Parks catalog or for a more exotic plant catalog get in touch with Logees.

        • Treant

          I’m (adjusted) Zone 7A. Honestly, the listed plants are all Zone 9, and a few are Zone 10 or 11, but I’m growing them as annuals.

      • Ken M

        Salvia, or were you looking at the pic above when you typed? : )

    • RoFaWh

      I can remember the air pollution in LA in the early nineteen sixties.

      You’d walk along a major street, unable to see more than, say, a half-mile because of the smog haze. And as you walked along, the tears streamed down your cheeks from the irritation.

      San Gabriel Valley

  • Ninja0980

    In a couple of months, it will be fall here and unlike past years, I’m not even bothering to bust out any of the winter clothes yet, as the summer temperatures now last well into November.
    My husband and I are even wondering if it’s worth paying a plow guy like we normally do given the fact long lengthy snowfalls are almost a thing of the past now.
    There are ski owners in our area who are telling their kids and grandkids that the business won’t be around when they grow up so they need to look into other options.
    The proof of climate change is here but since Republicans are beholden to oil/gas/coal barons, not a damn thing will be done about it until it’s too late.
    I look at that with anger but also with sadness.
    My nieces and nephews and their kids will never know the joy of snowtubing, skiing, some of our national parks etc.
    And so a couple of people can have another million or two to the billions they already have.
    Makes me sick.

    • LudicrousSextus

      Ya’ think? So then….snow out West all summer is proof of cooling? ‘Long lengthy snow’ like that which kept Western ski slopes open months past their normal closing times?

      Here’s a tip. Climate changes. Has it in any way…shape…manner or form been proven that climate is changing dangerously?

      Not even close.

      • Cuberly

        “Weather is the condition of the atmosphere at a particular place over a short period of time, whereas climate refers to the weather pattern of a place over a long period , long enough to yield meaningful averages. Meteorology studies weather, while climatology studies climate; both are atmospheric sciences.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_and_climate

        • RoFaWh

          The really interesting thing is that some think that “weather” is a chaotic phenomenon, that a plot of any weather parameter (high temperature of each day, for example) exhibits self-similarity, hence there is no such thing as a average temperture.

          The reasons are mathematical, so if you really want to understand the connection, you’ll have to study some fairly hairy math until you get it.

          • Max_1
          • Cuberly

            Mmmmm hairy muffins!

          • Ken M

            That has to be San Francisco…if he’s in the US that is.

          • Tulle Christensen

            weather is chaotic, which is a family of non-linear equations that are restrained in the short term but totally unpredictable over a long time

            so I can tell you pretty much what the weather will be over the next week or so, but after that……

            actually the equations are deceptively simple they are just self referencing

      • RoFaWh

        Here’s a tip: weather is not the same as climate.

        • clay

          Our “guest” is also skipping over the fact that last winter was the first one that got up to “normal” snowfall in five years.

        • Dale Snyder

          Don’t bother. Right-winged assholes don’t own dictionaries.

      • marshlc

        I find it hard to believe that you know anything about the Rocky Mountains, or you’d be aware of what’s happening to the glaciers.

        I’ve visited the Columbia Icefields a couple of times a year since the mid sixties. A little heavy snow that melts in the spring makes no difference – the glaciers are receding, and fast.

    • Bad Tom

      Insurance companies have known since the 1980s, and altered their projections accordingly.

    • Robincho

      Three consecutive snow-free winters and Aspen will die faster than it did in 1893…

  • Priya Lynn

    I think the global warming deniers will prevent enough action from being taken soon enough to avoid a feedback loop where warming gets out of control and is irreversible. I don’t think the human race will last another five hundred years and virtually all life on the planet will be extinct too.

    • LudicrousSextus

      So you just missed the whole part about every dire climate prediction by Al Gore and the UN IPCC failing miserably…

      • Rebecca Gardner
        • LudicrousSextus

          When ya’ can’t refute the statement – go for the imbecile cute thing…

          • Rebecca Gardner

            You can’t refute an imbecile like yourself. You’re like a religious person. They have the facts and there is no way to debate them because they believe their sky daddy is always 100% right.

            Man-made climate change is a fact. It’s indisputable, peer-reviewed, science. The debate is over. It is now time to act or we will kill the planet.

            I hope one day soon all the moronic flat earther types like yourself will finally be drowned out and the adults in the room can finally get to work. Sadly, with each passing day, it appears we are getting closer to Idiocracy instead.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/850fdcd8c720513ff4f73b69786b33febbcf46bc1ac62a97c71ebe1bce233480.jpg

          • Adam King

            So very well put, Rebecca.

          • Max_1

            I’d give you a lollipop for your participation…
            … But like you said, we shouldn’t reward imbeciles.

      • Cuberly

        Citation?

        • Natty Enquirer

          Do a little Googling and you can find Gore’s mistakes and IPCC’s missed predictions. Not sure what that’s supposed to prove, however. Gore is a politician, not a scientist. And there are more scientists out there than just the IPCC. The broad scientific consensus is that the climate is warming, human activities are a major contributor, and that if the trend continues, there will be deleterious impacts on human survival.

          Of course, right now, the wealthy are more concerned with the survival of their stock portfolios and profit margins.

          • Cuberly

            I’m just asking for the trolls sources. Of course science changes and evolves, it wouldn’t be science if it didn’t. But some of the claims our troll is making sure seem to be cut and paste with calculated omissions.

          • Natty Enquirer

            I get it. I’m pointing out that science can make mistakes and still be right. In fact, that’s the only way it gets to right.

          • Cuberly

            Totally agree. But the troll bashing Gore doesn’t prove a thing. It just proves that they haven’t a clue how science works.

          • clay

            IPCC largely missed it forecasts because physical models cannot include economic slow downs and the old physical models did not adequately account for interaction between the atmosphere and ocean. The IPCC explicitly recognizes the weaknesses in the global circulation models and actively seeks improvements to the models, particularly to better model ocean effects and upper-atmospheric effects. But that is for climate forecasting. The science of modeling the past is established. The physical chemistry of atmospheric warming has been settled science for more than a century.

      • Priya Lynn

        Right wingers have redefined “every” to mean “a tiny minority of”.

    • Adam King

      I’m glad I won’t live to see it.

      • Karl Dubhe

        With Trump, there’s a very good chance that we will live to see the extinction of our species.

        Lucky, lucky us.

  • Max_1
    • Treant

      Another argument against solar power…

      /s, of course.

      • Tulle Christensen

        yes i remember the last total eclipse that was seen from the US in 1979, way too often to have reliable solar power /s

    • billbear1961

      “Take heed and drive the darkness from your White House! Long before it was so, I AM!”–the Logos, the Universal Reason, the Cosmic MIND

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfe8tCcHnKY

    • Lazycrockett

      My local station has been talking bout this for a month and we are in a barely partial eclipse. So Over It.

    • Natty Enquirer

      It does get eerily cool and dark during a total eclipse. I saw the 1997 eclipse from a cruise ship just off Curaçao. The temperature dropped so quickly that steam began to rise off the warm tropical sea.

  • LudicrousSextus

    Ya’ll climate-crazies have a fun day!

    “The idea it would be catastrophic if carbon dioxide were to increase and average global temperature were to rise a few degrees is preposterous. “We are dealing with pure political propaganda that has nothing to do with science,” “

    Patrick Moore, Ph.D. – leader in international environmentalism for more than 40 years. He cofounded Greenpeace and currently serves as chair of Allow Golden Rice.

    • Adam King

      Blocked the troll.

      • Treant

        Ditto. He’s mathematically incompetent, definitely not a scientist of even the Armchair Interested American variety, and I think he’s trying to get somebody (anybody) to hate-fuck him after another weekend of clutching a bottle of Ambien while he reads Sylvia Plath*. Next up, he’ll scream like a melting snowflake and flounce off to his faintin’ couch.

        Fortunately, neither you nor I have to see that shit.

        * That’s the third time I’ve gotten mileage out of that paraphrase this weekend, which has to be a record.

        • Adam King

          I really can’t see the point of trolling people with flat-out ignorant nonsense. How empty would your life have to be to go to comment threads and pester people just to get a little negative, anonymous attention? It’s got to be some very specific form of mental illness.

          • Karl Dubhe

            It does seem to be a popular mental illness though…

            BRB going to troll Brietbarf.

          • Treant

            Yeah, but you’re trolling for the Light Side. Bratfart is filled with Chaotic Evil and deserves nothing other than a good Sunlight spell.

            You could watch all the roaches scuttle under the fridge.

      • stevenj

        Greenpeace of course thinks much differently about Patrick Moore Phd than the exalted status stated above.

      • Reality.Bites

        Thanks. Saw your reply first and didn’t bother to read it.

    • Tulle Christensen

      idiot, I live about 12 feet above sea level, sea level has risen 9 cm in the last 25 years, my neighbors, near the creek across the street, yard now floods with about 3 inches of water with a high tide during a full or new moon

      I live 11 miles from the ocean, If I can live to about 95 I can have beach front property before I die

      I see it with my own eyes twice a month, my neighbor will have to move in about 15-25 years because his house will be flooded all the time

      • Hue-Man

        I’m 300 feet above sea level so don’t have to worry about rising sea levels or tsunamis. Cold comfort if all your neighbors are flooded and looking for refuge at higher elevations.

        When are “waterfront properties” going to be valued less than “water view properties”?

        • Tulle Christensen

          you also have to think how much of your food is grown in places near sea level, or how much of the mid west will turn into desert unsuitable to grow wheat

          Anyone who ignores or denies this issue is sentencing those who come after us to hell on earth

          nice people huh

        • Treant

          450 feet here, so I’m good even if everything were to melt.

          Also, we used to have skiing, but…

          • Ninja0980

            Same here..
            That is a thing of the past now.

        • Silver Badger

          Clocking in at a mile high here in Denver. We are thinking about building a wall to keep the Texans out.

    • Karl Dubhe

      Why is everyone is feeding this troll?

    • Natty Enquirer

      You mean the Patrick Moore who quit Greenpeace saying it had “evolved into an organization of extremism and politically motivated agendas”? He’s a salmon farmer and a Don Quixote, not a scientist.

      • clay

        Well, that, and a paid lobbyist for clear-cutting tropical forests.

      • Cuberly

        If you look at our trollz comment history it’s a copy/paste who’s who of right-wing talking points. Anti-trans, anti-blm, anti-gay, anti everything. You really don’t want to look at their Charlottesville nazi apologia, it’s disgusting.

        A long whine-fest of various claims with zero attribution, no links to sources….and I dug pretty deep in their history.

        • Karl Dubhe

          So, he’s an un-funny Groucho Marx?

          I salute you for looking at the history. o7

          https://youtu.be/4v3etuIw-aM

          • Cuberly

            Ha! Rather apropos.

            Yeah it wasn’t much of a surprise. The troll is completely hooked on really juvenile insults. And from what I could see he reserves his worst bile for women commenters he replies to. Imagine that.

            He has 23,111 comments, and apparently joined in 2015. Talk about being on a roll.

            I’d put money on them being a 15yo in mom’s basement.

          • Karl Dubhe

            Oh, he could be 40 going on 12.

          • Cuberly

            Ha!

    • Cuberly

      “Patrick Moore often misrepresents himself in the media as an environmental “expert” or even an “environmentalist,” while offering anti-environmental opinions on a wide range of issues and taking a distinctly anti-environmental stance. He also exploits long-gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes.”

      “While it is true that Patrick Moore was a member of Greenpeace in the 1970s, in 1986 he abruptly turned his back on the very issues he once passionately defended. He claims he “saw the light” but what Moore really saw was an opportunity for financial gain. Since then he has gone from defender of the planet to a paid representative of corporate polluters.”

      “Patrick Moore promotes such anti-environmental positions as clearcut logging, nuclear power, farmed salmon, PVC (vinyl) production, genetically engineered crops, and mining. Clients for his consulting services are a veritable Who’s Who of companies that Greenpeace has exposed for environmental misdeeds, including Monsanto, Weyerhaeuser, and BHP Minerals.”

      “By exploiting his former ties to Greenpeace, Moore portrays himself as a prodigal son who has seen the error of his ways. Unfortunately, the media – especially conservative media – give him a platform for his views, and often do so without mentioning the fact that he is a paid spokesperson for polluting companies.”

      http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/greenpeace-statement-on-patric/

      • Ninja0980

        Same with folks like Dave Rubin of the Rubin reports.
        They sold their souls for $$$ and failing to mention that is another failure in our media.

        • Cuberly

          Oh gawd, Rubin. Heaven forbid he receive any criticism, in less than a second he screams he’s being silenced & has a complete freakout.

          • Ninja0980

            Anyone who calls him out is part of the regressive left.

          • Cuberly

            The way he reacts, it’s almost like he gets hysterical.

          • Ninja0980

            Likely because he knows he is catering to bigots for $$$ and the lashing out at others is what he wants to do to himself.

          • Cuberly

            Well, lashing out is part and parcel w/ the RWNJ gig. You have to acquire a list of enemies so you can sell yourself as an ideological veteran of truth.

    • JWC

      tell that to the polar bears who are losing their playing feilds and hunting grounds after bthe ice melts IDIOT

    • Max_1
  • Steven B

    This gorilla knows more than our president.

    http://youtu.be/FVuNTiqHys0

  • On the bright side, nuclear winter will fix that global warming problem. /s

  • netxtown

    So the baby throws another tantrum.

    Donnie doesn’t like it when panels quit en mass – so fuck them panels. Donnie will show us. So he nukes the panel that just might save us all. Oh donnie! You are so anti-climatic! It’s toddler’s revenge!

    It’s been said no man is an island. Donnie is out to prove that wrong.

  • rednekokie

    One positive thing (for him) about all this is, that when he gets all these committees discontinued, then he’ll have much more time to play golf.
    That is, until the global warming (which he doesn’t think exists) melts enough ice to inundate Mar a Lago — then see how many organizations stop having their gatherings at his Florida palace.

    • Adam King

      His spray-paint-golden halls will be filled with plastic trash and rotten things from the dead, brown sea.

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Adam King

      Kind of mean to our friends the cephalopods.

    • -M-

      Ooh. That’s from way back. Sadly it all came to pass.

  • Baylee Peach

    BENGHAZEMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • JT

    OT

    The eclipse: where it will happen and how it will look.
    https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/20/16175776/total-solar-eclipse-2017-what-time-is-it

    • djcoastermark

      Thanks for that. It’s cool and fun.

  • Max_1
    • clay

      The first person to use this type of graph was Florence Nightingale, to illustrate the causes, and volumes of death during the Crimean War. She, however, used the circular layout to illustrate the movement of time, like a watch face, to show that most soldiers were dying of preventable causes and that her hygienic practices sharply dropped mortality.

  • Cuberly

    Click on the pic for the full size image, I love this.

    https://twitter.com/Wildcatalum/status/898739555951497216

    • djcoastermark

      Beautiful.

    • SoCalGal20

      Beautiful! Need more of that, please.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Beautiful. But it’s gonna blow down.

    • RoFaWh

      My immediate reaction to this dignified dancer: hi, Grandmother!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwmkP6oHFA0

  • Max_1
  • Max_1
  • SoCalGal20
    • Treant

      That’s not him, it’s spelled correctly, the grammar is proper, and there are no insults to the American people.

      Ivanka wrote that.

      • Max_1

        She’s back giving her father hand jobs?

        • Karl Dubhe

          No, she hired her new step-mum Hope Hicks.

          HH does the hand jobs now.

          • Reality.Bites

            Herbert Hoover?

            That tramp!

          • Blake J Butler

            She got a raise too recently, i wonder what from.

            Tap. tap. tap.

          • Karl Dubhe

            I thought that was spelled “Fap. fap. fap.”? 🙂

      • Ken M

        He also wouldn’t be heading, he would be back. Never seen him do his tweeting from the air. Never tweet and drive. : )

    • Blake J Butler

      Golfing, eating chocolate cake, bitching to Ivanka, etc.

      The term “Working hard” varies from baby Huey.

      And not the same that applies to me.

      • another_steve

        Ivanka’s happy when all daddy does is bitch to her. The alternative is daddy making her sit on his lap.

        Ivanka doesn’t like that.

    • jonfromcalifornia

      You have to be an Evangelical/Republican to believe this bs about Trump “working hard”.

    • MikeBx2

      Tweets about fake news with actual fake news. We know what you’ve been doing Clown Shoes and it wasn’t hard work.

    • Ken M

      And tomorrow night he’s giving a speech to just ruin an otherwise momentous Monday. Everybody get your popcorn for the Afghanistan/Asia update, (eye roll) then off to AZ. Will the excitement never end?

      • Treant

        But we had our attention on the Sun and Moon, and it must always, always be on Trump! Of course he’ll give a speech, and it’ll be awful. He gets more attention that way.

        • Ken M

          Hard to believe he opted to have this rally in AZ. Hopefully the land of McCain and Flake won’t be nice to him.

          • Treant

            It would be terrible if we all used free sms text message sites and free temporary e-mail addresses to “accidentally” reserve all the tickets for tomorrow.

        • Nychta

          Well, he can’t let the sun and moon upstage him. He’ll probably take credit for the eclipse … the best eclipse.

    • Natty Enquirer

      blah blah FAKE NEWS blah blah

    • safari

      His time draws closer to its end.

    • Nychta

      “Heading back to Washington….” Oh, who cares? I’ve gotta wash my hair or do the dishes or something.

    • RoFaWh

      “Working hard”???

      The crazy old fascist has no idea what that phrase means.

      As usual.

      • Snarkaholic

        Yelling while flailing your arms is quite strenuous (when you subsist on a diet of cake and burnt steak).

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Watching television is hard work??
      He must be the laziest president in history!
      Weak, no-stamina, sad!!!!

    • houstonray

      I thought he only watched Fox News?

    • Friday

      Ok, Donald? That’s not what ‘working hard’ is.

  • Karl Dubhe

    From NASA, Arctic ice cover from the 80s until now…

    https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4522

    • houstonray

      WOW. Thanks for this. If this isn’t enough to make someone see what’s happening (and it’s more than frightening) I don’t know what else could.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Oy

    • Natty Enquirer

      Time to invest in some nice Alaska North Coast beach property.

  • SoCalGal20

    WTF is going on with the US Navy these days? ANOTHER Navy ship has collided with a merchant ship.

    https://twitter.com/abc7/status/899418413923041280

    • Karl Dubhe

      Hopefully, it’s the drinking…

      Otherwise, we’re getting stupider as a species and our extinction is nigh.

    • Reality.Bites

      I like ships that don’t collide with other ships.

    • Blake J Butler

      I’d say we’re being led in the dark by a demented man-child and his legion of doom.

      Or just an accident.

      • RoFaWh

        In? Or into?

    • SoCalGal20

      The 7th Fleet’s twitter will be posting updates.

      https://twitter.com/us7thfleet/status/899413305814642688

      • Lazycrockett

        Boats get cancer?

      • Silver Badger

        I thought you were supposed to be dead before they named stuff after you.

        • MBear

          undead… undead… undead

        • -M-

          John S McCain Sr & Jr are dead.

          People should have their own names.

        • Friday

          That’s kind of part of why. But I don’t know what the living one’s middle initial is. One of the reasons he was a big name POW in the first place was who his father was, though.

          • -M-

            S. for Sidney.

          • Friday

            What the current Senator’s middle initial is is what is in question there, I suppose.

          • -M-

            He’s Senator John Sidney McCain III.
            The son and grandson of Admirals John Sidney McCain Jr and Sr respectively.

            Narcissists all.

    • Max_1

      It’s the McCain effect…

      • Ken M

        And we recently named a Supercarrier the Gerald Ford?!?!?!

        • Max_1

          I know… I know… Trippy, no?

        • MBear

          Ummm… fell down the stairs…?

    • Treant

      Maybe the USS John S. McCain has a computer virus? You might even say…brain…cancer…

      What, too soon?

      • Silver Badger

        Perhaps a bit.

        • Treant

          NEVAH! It’s never too soon to pick on a boat anchor.

      • MBear

        Fuck that fucker into the non-existent afterlife.

        Nevah too soon

    • safari

      Did we forget how to drive?

      • Nychta

        “We” forgot how to steer.

        • Karl Dubhe

          Port? Starboard? WTF?

          • safari

            Port as 4 letters like left. Starboard is stupid for right.

          • Ken M

            and red is port…like wine…everything else is just starboard

          • safari

            Learned something new about boatery.

      • OdieDenCO

        maybe the navy is trying out a new way to assign captains. no experience necessary, learn on the job. if its good enough for the presidency, it’s good enough for the navy.

    • JCF

      Kicked out the Trans ship’s pilot? [j/k, but the point stands—like this cartoon]

      https://claytoonz.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/cjones08012017.jpg?w=620

  • jonfromcalifornia

    When the coastal areas of the country start sinking, we know the Republican base will blame Obama and the Democrats. Those idiots will never ever learn.

    • Friday

      Or their God saying they weren’t brutal enough to LGBT people and non-Fundies.

  • Max_1
  • Reality.Bites

    OT: Texas anti-trans bill officially dead.

    Edit: never mind. didn’t realize it officially died 5 days ago.

    https://twitter.com/druidDUDE/status/897637405070688256

  • Max_1

    O/T
    For those who like Classical Music, a series worth checking out.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNjMN0yIPXo

  • SoCalGal20
  • bambinoitaliano
  • SoCalGal20

    Fits in this thread. Reforestation project started due to Trump’s anti-climate change bullshit.

    https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/899421554290737152

  • houstonray
    • Treant

      It thinks it’s hot. Just back off slowly and do not turn your back or bend over while doing so.

      • Friday

        I think it’s more that ‘Bipolar mania- taking clothes off’ thing.

        • Treant

          My cousin does that. My cousin used to be a reasonably attractive soccer player, if you like the completely narcissistic type.

          Nowadays, my cousin is a 350 pound 40-year-old, still narcissistic, so it’s completely unpleasant on all fronts.

          • Ninja0980

            My husband does this sometimes too but he still has the body for it.

          • Treant

            PIX OR IT DID NOT HAPPEN!

    • fuzzybits

      He has no neck.

      • Natty Enquirer

        Well he is quite the crazy Narrator.

    • houstonray

      And the comments on the post are freakin awesome. Not sure why he would post this and think everyone would love it. Spoiler alert: They don’t! ha!

    • safari

      Are we supposed to think he’s an alpha male?

      • houstonray

        The crazy thing is that he is doing his show like this, you suppose he’s completely naked? Ewww. Don’t get me wrong, I love a hairy bear ANY day but not this one. (ugly on the inside seeps to the outside)

        Wait until Trump starts tweeting semi-nude twitter photos, ha.

    • Karl Dubhe

      The human gorilla.

      Seen better.

    • JCF
  • bambinoitaliano
    • wow. that’s really cool. what does it mean?

      • JohnJay

        Well, the three on the left are throwing out the hand sign for “white power”.

        • OdieDenCO

          ok let’s try this agian: two are flashing pw. I’m assuming it means pretty wimpy.

        • MBear

          OT: D&D today we faced off worth wights.

          The wight power jokes just flowed.

          • whollyfool

            Fantastic 😀

      • shit, i was trying to respond to something else. this fucking computer… it has real problems with twitter videos.

      • fuzzybits

        Hey,hey. Basically mother nature crying.

    • Nychta
    • johncAtl

      That photo is in Piedmont Park in Midtown Atlanta. As blue and as gay as an area can be.

  • fuzzybits
  • bambinoitaliano
    • Nychta

      Just watched this:
      https://youtu.be/NLiWFUDJ95I

    • safari

      I adore everything about this. But — I keep wanting to say it ends with “I’ll eat you last.”

      • MBear

        Every night, before we go to sleep, i tell my husband: if i were truly evil incarnate, here to enslave the world in a vile, demonic hell for eternity, yours would be the soul i eat last

        • safari

          Your husband is a lucky man.

          • MBear

            That was all drama. We’re mostly tired from getting the dogs settled down and in… including the ” puppy goodnight song “. ( an original)

      • the thing is, you really can train cats and dogs to love other animals. maybe not every cat or dog, but i’ve had mixed animal households for years. dogs, cats, goats, birds, horses, cows, sheep, fish…

        the trick is getting them to understand that they will never want for food. once they understand that, they will not rely on their natural instincts to eat each other. humans call it ‘food security,’ but i’ve noticed that animals have essentially the same issue. make sure they feel secure, and they can love almost anything.

        • Karl Dubhe

          When I was young, I tried that with my cat and my pet hamster…

          The cat ate the hamster.

          It was traumatic.

          • JCF

            Problem there: “cat”. [If you’d started w/ “kitten”, MAYBE!]

    • M Jackson

      There’s no way on earth I could love Cher more than I already do —
      (watched her brilliant film debut in “Come Back To The Five And Dime Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean” the other night)
      –but a duckling and a kitten? From Cher? I’m a goner.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        The poor duckling just heard “Black Rose” for the first time.

  • bambinoitaliano
    • MBear

      Awwwwww….!!!!

  • JCF
    • Treant
      • houstonray

        LOVE!

      • JCF

        And flowers! (I think Hillary would like that)

        • M Jackson

          (Just not Gennifer)

          • Ninja0980

            Speaking of them, Juanita Broderick is trying to extend her 15 minutes of fame by saying she would like to destroy Bill Clinton’s statue.
            My stance on her is this, anyone who claims Hillary is unfit to be President because she supposedly engaged in smear attacks yet says nothing when Trump insulted and degraded women who alleged the same has no credibility at all in my book.
            The fact Ken Starr didn’t believe her speaks volumes.

          • JCF

            *ouch*

      • Ninja0980

        Amazing garden.

      • Friday

        Marigolds. One of my favorites. 🙂

        • Treant

          Mine, too. My SIL absolutely loathes them as “common,” “cheap,” and “tawdry.”

          She’s not exactly in good standing in this household, however, as we kind of think the same of her.

          • safari

            There is a reason they are common and cheap: people like them. I wouldn’t call them tawdry. And you’ve got them integrated into quite an exhibit.

          • Friday

            Hey, like me they grow in some pretty cheap spaces. So Hel with worrying about that. 🙂 (I’ve been meaning to ask what you think is the minimum amount of light for African violets indoors, btw? I’d kind of like to put one somewhere I’m not sure I should. 🙂

          • Treant

            AVs will tolerate and enjoy bright light, but absolutely must be kept from direct sunlight. They tend to do just fine in lighting conditions in the average home, not near a window.

            If you really feel the light level is too low for AVs (it probably isn’t), pothos should do very well. Or corn plant, which will do well 10 feet from a draped eastern window.

          • Friday

            Has to be an African violet: a little tradition of mine. I think I’ve got the idea, though. It sounds like I can try a reasonable compromise. (the little kitchen I have in mind is really unlit most of the time, but about what you say can be managed. :))

          • houstonray

            Common, cheap and tawdry? They are absolutely stunning, especially ‘en masse’ as you have them.

          • Treant

            Yeah, but we’re reasonable people with taste. Her argument–from somebody who does not have a garden, nor would ever dream of cutting a lawn or pruning anything–is that everything should be unique, eye-catching, and different from the thing next to it.

            She doesn’t get that this results in something where the eye has nowhere to rest, and essentially gives a garden where any central plan is impossible. Nor can I pay specific attention to 2,000 square feet of plants–90% have to be stuff that can take care of itself, no matter how bad the summer gets.

            Ten percent I can baby. And my color plan is very specifically laid out every year. Some things I repeat year after year. Most gets redone yearly.

          • safari

            Next time you see her, tell her I said she’s wrong.

          • SoCalGal20

            I’m sure you know this, but marigolds aren’t just pretty and colorful, they make excellent companion plants for several types of vegetables and herbs (well, basil at least).

            Marigold companion planting enhances the growth of basil, broccoli, cabbage, cucumbers, eggplant, gourds, kale, potatoes, squash and tomatoes. Marigold also makes a good companion plant to melons because it deters beetles.

            And I didn’t know this but French marigolds have a powerful natural pesticide.

            http://www.ourherbgarden.com/marigold-companions.html

          • Treant

            While the spectrum is limited, marigolds also kill root nematodes. Usually just those that would directly feed on their roots, so only one or two species in any given locale.

            Except the white ones, whose beetle and nematode deterrence/kill is practically zero. They’re really overbred.

          • houstonray

            Plus I enjoy the smell of them. I know some don’t, but I love it.

          • fuzzybits

            I do too and have gotten weird looks from people when I’ve said it. Also the smell of skunk doesn’t bother me.

          • Ninja0980

            Anyone who doesn’t like flowers and isn’t allergic is a weirdo in my book.

          • Treant

            And there, most of mine don’t air pollenate; they require a bee, butterfly, hummingbird, or bee-fly to do so. No allergies.

          • Reality.Bites

            Your SIL thinks way too much about flowers.

          • Treant

            She just wanted to belittle me because there’s no way she’d get off her ass and do work like that.

            My BIL is married to her only until their third child grows up a bit more, then he’s out the door.

          • safari

            I had an acquaintance whose parents were driving home from dropping him off his collegiate freshman year when his father declared he was divorcing his mother.

          • Treant

            Timing IS everything… 🙂

          • Reality.Bites

            There’s the old joke:

            I just won $50 million in the lottery. Start packing!

            Where are we going?

            I don’t care where you go, just get out!

          • fuzzybits

            A flower elitist. I’m sure there’s a support group for her.

      • Blake J Butler

        I still have the yard sign in my closet. I took the bumper sticker off the day after the 8th. I equated it to a bride being stood up at the altar and still wearing her wedding dress and the guests think she’s crazy.

        i keep it as a remembrance.

        • JCF

          Nope, my (Hillary 2016) bumper sticker is still on. *I* have nothing to be ashamed of, why should I remove it? [I only removed my “Yes We Did” post-2008 election sticker ~2015: I was afraid of it disintegrating (in the elements). It’s now on the garage freezer]

          • Blake J Butler

            I forget but I also assume you do not live in the south ?

          • JCF

            The Anti-South: California!

            …that said, I can drive an hour north or east, and be in rural places that would be about as Red as where you are: people w/ “State of Jefferson” stickers and signs. (“Jefferson” is rural conservative Californians fantasy-state, where they leave behind the degenerates of Hollywood and San Francisco…and Sacramento, where I am.)

    • Natty Enquirer
      • safari

        Imagine a blinding light and this is the last thing you see forever.

  • Friday

    My outstanding question is …was that ‘advisory board’ only staffed with industry denier shills in the first place? I don’t recall hearing who’s on it.

    • Treant

      Prolly, so I’m calling it no great loss. It’s not like he’d put actual scientists on the thing. They’d be telling him shit he didn’t want to hear and wouldn’t be able to understand anyway.

    • BobSF_94117

      I assume all members are hold-overs from Obama.

  • Treant

    OT: Now this is hysterical:

    https://vimeo.com/18189077

    • safari

      Hits play. Ten seconds in — “One Hour Photo”?

    • Nychta

      Editing is everything.

      • safari

        I just wish modern editors would hold a shot for more than a half a second.

    • houstonray

      That was brilliantly done. Amazing how different music, edit scenes in a certain order and completely different movie.

  • anne marie in philly

    OF COURSE HE DID…because climate change doesn’t exist in his flea-sized dick.

  • JCF

    OT: I assume that Joe will have an eclipse thread tomorrow—and it will be posted before I (on the West Coast, AND a late riser) will get up.

    I keep hearing suggestions for “Eclipse Playlists”…and somehow, this song (which matches my current mood) never seems to be on it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBXGxgreM1k

    I mean, come on! A “black hole” in the sun? Does that not describe a solar eclipse, or what?

    ETA: everybody, watch SAFELY tomorrow! [I’m in the 80% zone. Will project through binoculars onto white paper. I tried this w/ a partial a few years ago—and w/ the Transit of Venus—and it worked well.]

    • no, but it’s a cool song, if you’re into that sort of sound. i bought that album right when it came out. enjoyed it greatly.

      • JCF

        Enjoying this song, when it came out, was probably about the last time I considered myself “young” (was 31? 32? Something like that).

        ETA: and RIP Chris Cornell. One of those we lost to the “black hole” (with which I am personally familiar) way too young. Sigh.

        • barely out of my teens. i was still into rock/guitar driven stuff, back then.

    • fuzzybits
  • leastyebejudged

    Oh well, he would have ignored them anyway.

  • ColdCountry

    “Shortsighted” is not the word I’m thinking of.

    • Treant

      “Tiny-handed loser of the popular vote”?

    • Lauchlan Bernard-Christopher M

      .Fuckwitted perchance?

      • ColdCountry

        That works.

  • Lazycrockett
    • safari

      Next up: 1M south Koreans dead.

      • johncAtl

        Bannon said 10M. I think he’s right. Plus a whole lot of people in Japan.

        • safari

          10M seems like too many. I’m not entirely sure their supply lines could support that much. Certainly Seoul would be quite damaged, but I can’t imagine 10M.

          • johncAtl

            Seoul is close enough for NK to strike quickly with conventional weapons. The toll may not be 10M, but it will be devastating. And even if it is just 1M the effect on the U.S. economy will take years to recover from.

          • BobSF_94117

            The city of Seoul is almost 10M. The urban area is over 25M.

          • safari

            Even then, a 20%+ fatality rate seems unlikely.

    • -M-

      He has no clue about socially appropriate responses. Least of all for a ‘President’.

    • SoCalGal20

      It’s not about him so…

    • Ken M

      He probably missed the USS and smiled a bit inside…the scum. One more topic to raise in his military speech tomorrow night.

  • SoCalGal20

    NYT has a story on Bannon’s departure.

    https://twitter.com/markberman/status/899439321568206848

    • safari

      He screams addict. So, yes, both.

    • Lazycrockett
      • BobSF_94117

        On one hand, I wish there were video tapes of days in the Trump White House. On the other hand, I’d probably kill myself if I saw them.

      • Reality.Bites

        “Desk?”

        Is that what we’ve all decided to call it?

    • Lamb Urgini

      I left this as a comment on Breitbart and it got two upvotes , what is that ?

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/56231219e5c4d23df12d03ea48b9c93ddc6c2a85cacbb4961d5e40d5436728f8.jpg

      • safari

        You are not alone.

      • Rob NYNY

        I know gin blossoms when I see them.

    • safari

      Give no ground to your critics, Mr. Bannon urged the president, with characteristic truculence.

      Now that defines this presidency. Never learn, never grow.

      • safari

        (Not to mention Donald himself.)

      • Nychta

        Wow, can’t remember the last time I saw the word “truculence.”

        • Tor

          I remember when the word truculent was used in Are You Being Served. The difference between British and American comedy.

      • safari

        (Still reading the article) Wait, what?

        A formal Naval officer, Mr. Bannon

        • SoCalGal20

          I think that’s supposed to be “former”?

          • safari

            Didn’t the NYT fire its copy editors?

          • SoCalGal20

            Ha! Yes.

    • Cuberly

      Stating what we’ve always said. Bannon thought of himself as the entitled god emperor.

    • Sam_Handwich

      that’s what herpes would look like if it grew greasy hair

      • safari

        Except herpes, except in unusual cases of eye infections, is just a bodily pest.

    • Blake J Butler

      Uh his physical appearance went to shit over 20 years ago, when hate and alcohol abuse took over his outside like his insides.

      • Snarkaholic

        Have you ever seen close-up pics of his hair? It is so atrocious looking (and I’m not talking about how dirty it is)…it’s easy (and horrifying) to extrapolate what his insides must look like.

    • fuzzybits

      He looks like there would be an odor cloud wherever he walks.

  • andrew

    The Green Party must be thrilled with their decision to run no chance Jill Stein for POTUS. Yep they sure helped beat Hillary, the only viable alternative to the disastrous Trump.

  • houstonray

    USS John S McCain collision update: 10 sailors missing, at least 5 injured

  • Cuberly
  • SoCalGal20

    And new Bannon story out at Vanity Fair.

    STEVE BANNON READIES HIS REVENGE
    The war on Jared Kushner is about to go nuclear.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/steve-bannon-readies-his-revenge

    • Natty Enquirer

      Gotta sell those subs/clicks.

      • Cuberly

        Clicks aren’t needed. The Mercers keep the servers humming.

        90% of their advertisers have bailed.

    • safari

      I see him as a Trump enabler. He said he is going to go to war for Trump.

      • Reality.Bites

        He has said many things, few of them true.

        He also seems to think that either Trump has more loyalty to him than to Jared and Ivanka Kaposhner, or that he controls him.

    • SoCalGal20

      Getting the popcorn ready!

      From the article:

      Recently, according to several sources, Bannon has told friends he wants Priebus to give his account of the James Comey firing to special prosecutor Robert Mueller. According to a source close to Priebus, the former chief of staff believes that the decision was made during an early May weekend in Bedminster, where Kushner, Ivanka Trump, and Stephen Miller were with the president. Trump returned to the Oval Office on Monday, May 8 and told other aides he intended to fire Comey.

      • houstonray

        So wouldn’t this hurt Trump? I mean, he didn’t have to do what they told him? Is Bannon really wanting to take Trump down? I can’t imagine the end game here, President Pence would not do business with Bannon either?

      • Reality.Bites

        Also from the article: “Specifically, they believe that Kushner cultivated a relationship with Matt Drudge”

        Almost certainly the only man to have ever done so.

  • We are all going to die. Trump will not only be the end of the United States, he will be the end of the human species.

    • safari

      Nah. It’s hard to kill 7.5+ billion.

    • worstcultever

      It does kinda seem like we’re in the terminal stupidizing of everything. Then again it’s probably always been that way. I have never felt that much allegiance to homo sapiens – always seemed like a buncha dumbasses who let themselves be ruled and fucked over, again and again, by creepy, sexually anxious straight male assholes. Anyway, good riddance to us. Personally I enjoyed the bliss of perfect nothingness, before a couple of schmucks (my parents) unfortunately had sex and dragged me into this nonsensical pointless strife-o-rama.

      • safari

        Babylon 5 told me that we are the universe trying to make sense of itself. We, afterall, are made from the stars.

      • fuzzybits

        Just like I told someone the other day,let the animals take over,the humans lost.

        • safari

          Nah. If all goes well we’ll hit the singularity and emerge … different.

          • fuzzybits

            If you say so.

          • safari

            Transhumanism is coming.

        • Silver Badger

          The animals have had their turn. It’s cockroach time now.

  • Blake J Butler

    ok, my chrome extension to omit conservative figures pictures with kitties is now taking words within the persons last name and replacing them with kitties. Apparently Jeep is now selling kitty versions because it had WAY from CONWAY in the word.

    • safari

      Conway is an apt name for her.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Kellyanne Con-Kitty is a great Batman villain name.

  • Cuberly

    Interestng, doubt it’ll change anything but it’s great to see people take this seriously. Good for them.

    “Some Liberty University Grads Are Returning Their Diplomas To Protest Trump”

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544776964/some-liberty-university-grads-are-returning-their-diplomas-to-protest-trump

    • Sam_Handwich

      wouldn’t it be something if the students started protesting?

      Falwell has really sunken even lower than his pig of a father

      • johncAtl

        He’s 7′ underground? Happy days are here again!

      • Cuberly

        Heh, if that happened how would the lead grifter spin it?
        1. We’re a private religious institution, these views are inappropriate as per our rules of conduct.
        2. We’re an institution that values the exchange of ideas.

      • johncAtl

        I saw Jerry Sr. in the Delta lounge in Atlanta about a year or so before he died. It was all I could do not to go throw a drink on him. Later I saw him again in the concourse as I was headed to catch my flight. He was buying ice cream – just what the fat pig needed.

        I don’t ever wish for bad things to happen to people, but I still smile every time I picture Jerry dying at his desk with no one there to help him – not even his savior.

    • fuzzybits

      But ask them what they think of gay folk.

    • Lazycrockett

      You know I would think that it would be really hard to land a job with a resume that says Liberty University on it.

      • Lazycrockett

        But then I guess most of the degrees are religious based.

      • johncAtl

        Liberty University ranks lower than the University of Phoenix (online version).

  • fuzzybits
    • johncAtl

      There are some male cats that are very turned on by that tongue.

    • Lazycrockett

      House Slytherin ?

    • safari

      I so want kitties.

      • johncAtl

        Plural? It used to be just one. I’m going to check to see if I can have Amazon ship one to you.

        • safari

          They tend to do better with a litter mate. And one day I want a goat or two.

          • johncAtl

            You’ll have to fight djcoastermark for the goat.

          • safari

            He’s the one that made me look more closely at goats. Their square eyes are weird. But they’re quite smart and bond with humans like dogs but aren’t quite as needy and live outdoors.

          • johncAtl

            He was talking about his husband.

            And damn I’m going to get slapped the next time I go to Tampa!

          • djcoastermark

            Ooooh Big Time ! 🙂

          • johncAtl

            Soon I hope. For sure I’ll be hanging out at the Parliament House Thanksgiving weekend.

          • safari

            Didn’t know the husband angle. Still. My words stand.

          • Adam King

            Husbands are basically just horizontal cats.

          • safari

            I’ll have to add that to my list of quotes.

          • Silver Badger

            Their hard to house break. They also tend to be destructive if allowed to run free.

          • safari

            I don’t want to housebreak goats. Just enjoy their company.

          • Silver Badger

            They can be good company.

          • Treant

            I’ve met goats. You’ll need about three seconds to adjust to the rectangular pupil (just remind yourself that the goat can see movement across its entire horizontal visual plane; you’re lucky to see it well 2° around your center).

            After that, they’re just really pleasant, friendly creatures. Or at least the ones I’ve met were, but they were in tiny herds of 1 or 2 with a human being at the head.

          • safari

            I suspect they still filling in most of the image from the moments before via modeling; it’s just with more recent updates for some of the field.

          • Treant

            Just think of them as sideways cats. 🙂 Same principle, sort of.

          • safari

            Even more fuel to want one.

          • SoCalGal20

            My experience with goats is that they try to eat ANYTHING that catches their attention. So they’re friendly but they might try to eat your shirt or whatever.

          • johncAtl

            So – make sure you’re wearing underwear when goats are nearby.

          • SoCalGal20

            They’ll keep your lawn trimmed too. (I’m not joking.) When I used to live up in Valencia, there was an area that is controlled by a government entity and it was a hilly area where brush would grow so to cut down on the fire danger they had a heard of goats that kept the grass trimmed.

          • safari

            Bonus. I also would rather not mow everything.

          • djcoastermark

            There’s a guy here in town that brings his 2 cute little dwarf goats with him when he goes into Home Depot. They ride in the cart and are very well behaved and puppy like. I just don’t want to stop petting them. And as a bonus, their “daddy” is quite pet-able too.

          • safari

            In Lansing I knew of a family with goats that had to give them up because of reasons and an unreasonable man, I feel.

          • djcoastermark

            Only cat per litter box at a time please.

          • safari

            Unless a “smart” litterbox. The one I want costs about $300 last I checked.

          • djcoastermark

            It still gets crowded.

          • Reality.Bites

            A truly “smart” litterbox wouldn’t let cats in it.

          • Silver Badger

            I changed the litter box twice a week. I only had two cats. My sister has about fifteen. Her house smells like a litter box. Not the place for Thanksgiving dinner.

          • safari

            Love and tradition go far.

          • djcoastermark

            That has got to be one of the worst smells. Ugh.

          • safari

            Nope.

          • johncAtl

            As allergic as I am to cats being around 15 would kill me.

          • Silver Badger

            After an hours visit with my sister, you wanted to die anyway.

          • johncAtl

            Kind of like me and my oldest brother. Although I would prefer that he be the one to die.

          • safari

            Hush. Family.

          • johncAtl

            I haven’t seen him in five or six years. He spends his entire day listening to Limbaugh, Fox, etc. The last thing he ever said to me was that he was still going to watch Fox News.

          • Silver Badger

            Let well enough alone. I’m not even sure how many of my siblings are still alive. (There were 8) We get along so much better that way. Bless their hearts.

          • johncAtl

            I don’t lose any sleep over it. I’m about to be 62 and he’s five years older. I have no good memories of growing up together. And he’s a typical Republican. He’s racist. He doesn’t pay his taxes. He’s an alcoholic. And 30 years ago he had a son with his girlfriend. He has had nothing to do with him. I can overlook a lot, but you don’t turn your back on your child.

          • Silver Badger

            Sounds like the child is better off not knowing his dad.

          • safari

            About 8 years ago hypoallergenic cats were going for $14k because of the cloning involved. With CRISPR [sp] and variants, the price will soon come down.

          • Adam King

            They say you should have as many litter boxes as you have cats, plus one.

          • Silver Badger

            Works for me!

          • Reality.Bites

            That’s just a plot to sell litter boxes to people without cats at all.

          • Adam King

            But if you don’t have a cat, you never need to change the litter.

          • Adam King

            I think if you want kitties and goats you might just need to look at more than one litter.

    • Moebym of the Returners

      I love Abyssinians!

  • MikeBx2
    • safari

      They mined the passage with cargo ships?

      • MikeBx2

        Ha! I’m curious to hear if it was in the area China had warned against.

    • Sam_Handwich

      so who ordered them to sail in so close? and why?

      and the addition of the name “John McCain” kinda makes me go hmmmmm

      • safari

        It was his father, evidently.

      • Michael R

        Donald knows more than the sand bar

        • johncAtl

          I think I trust the sand bar’s thoughts more.

          • CharlestonDave

            The sand bar holds its position more consistently.

            Which is saying a lot, in that it’s a sand bar.

    • MikeBx2

      Definitely not Trump tweeting this one…
      https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/899466340238491648

      • SoCalGal20

        It was all over my twitter timeline from various media that his comment to the press pool was “That’s too bad”. So yeah, this is somebody covering their ass.

      • Sam_Handwich

        Jarvanka is on the prowl.

        • safari

          “Daddy. Shhh. You’re a great man. You’ve done such great things. We just want to make you greater by telling you that the public feels you should…”

      • safari

        Earlier: “That’s too bad.” (Really. Yes. Really.)

      • Ninja0980

        Yup, this certainly isn’t him.

      • Adam King

        Remember how the Real President used to sign his tweets “BO” so you’d know which ones he wrote himself? Because nobody in his White House had to fake it?

  • Sam_Handwich

    here’s this for all you baseball fans 😀

    https://twitter.com/BarstoolHubbs/status/899317654732894208

    • JCF

      I saw that! Pretty fricking amazing…

    • safari

      I still don’t get the interest in baseball.

      • Silver Badger

        I find baseball every bit as interesting as football.

        • safari

          Baseball:Football::_____ : _______

          • safari

            true : true
            works 😛

          • Sam_Handwich

            Summer:Winter

          • safari

            Summer is green here from May through August. Then winter comes and the sun doesn’t shine for 40 days (true story).

          • Adam King

            ::watching grass grow : falling over the edge of a newly-dug foundation while drunk

          • safari

            ^this

          • JCF

            Ballet:Boxing*

            * Though sometimes baseball players do get concussions (two Giants are on the disabled list now, w/ concussions. Both, balls to the head). But it’s not EVERY FREAKING PLAY, as in football. “Organized TBI” on a Friday Night/Sat-Sun Afternoon. That’s football.

        • glass

          I prefer sports where the men wear little shorts and are built. Like swimming or soccer. And I don’t really care who wins.

        • Reality.Bites

          No need to be rude! 😉

        • The_Wretched

          I’m not interested in sportsball. I did martial arts and swimming.

      • JCF

        [With apologies to Pele]

        It’s the Beautiful Game! It’s as much mental as physical…but w the pace&setting (and food) of a Saturday afternoon barbeque (go back for seconds! thirds!). You can talk about strategy, and have half a clue if it’ll turn out. [Strickland, what are you doing, catching so much strike zone, when you’re up in the count 0-2???? Strickland gave up *6 hits* in the 7th, and the Giants blew their lead, and lost.]

        Love it so much. Even when my Giants suck (as this year, they emphatically do). So glad my mom raised my brother & me as Giants fans. Go to the park (esp minor leagues, which are cheaper) w/ someone who knows the game, and enjoy! [Esp w/ the eating and drinking. And cheering, and high-fiving. And tearing your hair out. But still enjoying.]

        • johncAtl

          I thought baseball was boring as hell until I moved to Atlanta in the early 80s and I went to a Braves game with a friend. The Braves really sucked back then so the stadium was mostly empty. We sat in seats about 20 feet behind Ted Turner*. My friend was very patient with my lack of baseball knowledge, and I learned how much strategy there is in a game of baseball.

          * The CEO of AOL Time Warner came to Atlanta, when they were acquiring Turner Broadcasting, to attend a Braves game with Ted. He expected to be sitting in some luxury sky box to watch the game. He was stunned to find out that Turner sat in regular seats that anyone could sit in.

      • johncAtl
    • Ninja0980

      One for the highlight reels.

    • Adam King

      Kid wants ball and ignores physics to get it.

      • safari

        Just like a cat.

    • The_Wretched

      That kid should go out for track and field. Perfect high jump right there.

  • Treant

    OT: The dogs were indifferent to today’s gardening photos, but Casey is keeping an eye on me to make quite certain I don’t a) disappear, or b) photograph him from his bad side. Also, I might have food. Also, that’s Daddy up there and I have to pay attention to him.

    Riley will get back to me when he needs something.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae006a2eccf32bf3afcb2823bbeea14867d0262ab35456b999f5883f61a2bbd7.jpg

  • SoCalGal20

    So apparently Trump’s people are looking for minority actors in Phoenix. The ads were gone when I looked on Craigslist just now but a couple of different people posted ads they saw in response to this guy’s post.

    https://twitter.com/Marcus4America/status/899297623437225984

    • safari

      Honestly. I can’t evaluate anything like this.

    • Lazycrockett

      Joy should be looking into this.

      • djcoastermark

        And this should be shouted from the rooftops if verifiable.

    • Talisman

      See…he’s a job creator!

      /s

  • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

    To my “Anybody But Hillary” and “Bernie or Bust” friends, this is the kind of news you were warned about. Killery would NEVER had done this to ya. Wow.
    I know. I know. I’m told by you losers to not look back and to “resist”. A BIG EFF YOU to you.

    • -M-

      I know. Even assuming for the sake of argument she were the worst president ever it’d still be better than this.

      • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

        Ahhhh, but here’s the rub. She would have been an AMAZING president. And although I supported Bernie Sanders in our Nevada caucuses, knowing what I know today, I wouldn’t have done that. Here in Nevada we turned our statehouse from red to blue. We passed sensible gun safety legislation (though it’s in the courts) made recreational weed the law of our state and did all the things progressives should have accomplished across the country. Voting for Sanders in the caucuses was a luxury here in Nevada. However, once Trump was nominated by the Republican Party we all got on board with Hillary…NO QUESTIONS ASKED!

        • johncAtl

          She would have been amazing. And for the idiots on the right that think that the rest of the world revolves around the U.S. they’re going to get a very unpleasant awakening. The U.S. economy is going to crash because Trump is the most unqualified person to ever occupy the Oval Office. We have a global economy and Trump is destroying our relationships with all of our allies. He was going to do a state visit with the UK – our closest ally. And it was cancelled. When has a foreign government ever postponed a visit by the President of the United States?

          • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

            Trump is still riding high on the Obama economy. Remember. Trump passed NOTHING legislatively. Nada. Once he puts the Republican tax cuts in place and takes us back to the Bush era, you’re right. We’re all screwed.

          • johncAtl

            Very true. I’m more concerned that he’ll take the easy way out and start a war with North Korea. If we’re lucky it won’t go nuclear. If it does we’re screwed because China won’t stand by while a nuclear war is fought on their border.

        • -M-

          I liked some of the things Bernie brought up, but I always thought she’d be better at delivering them. I avoided the fights during the primaries because I didn’t want anyone alienated. Even now I don’t want to fight with people who still like Bernie better, I think they’re wrong and I’ve lost respect for Bernie and his machine, but as long as someone united against Trump I don’t hold their preferences against them. I was pointing out that even for people who hated her and thought she’d be awful, there’s a whole lot of room to be awful while still not being as bad as someone who for a start emboldens dictators and racists.

          • johncAtl

            Bernie has a lot of good ideas. But he lost my respect when he didn’t concede after the California primary. There was no path for him to win the Democratic nomination. And even though he wasn’t/isn’t a Democrat he should have stepped aside to allow the party to unite behind Hillary.

          • -M-

            Yes. Also his plan for implementing those ideas was, holding rallies as president? And now his plan to fight the Republicans is to narrow the Democrats’ base?

          • Reality.Bites

            Flip side of Donald Trump

  • Richard B

    TIME FOR A NATIONAL STRIKE
    Donald Trump is insane, he was fraudulent sworn into office using illegitimate election results directly due to Russian espionage, and a majority of citizens feel he mentally unfit to hold office.
    We need our Congress to immediately impeach Donald Trump, and if they are too dysfunctional to make this so, the military should uphold the constitution they swore an oath to and dispose the mad king and call for new elections.

    • JCF

      I think we’re coming to this…

      • johncAtl

        I don’t know if the U.S. could survive what would essentially be a military coup.

        • Reality.Bites

          It’s your so-called democracy you won’t survive.

  • SoCalGal20

    Actual thing tweeted by actual NYPD org.

    https://twitter.com/SBANYPD/status/899425128232226819

    • Adam King

      Wow, that’s truly revolting.

    • johncAtl

      I started typing a long comment, but I can make it shorter — Philando Castile, Walter Scott, and others. Enough said.

    • JCF

      I can’t watch the vid—but police as race? Is that it?

      [TRIGGER WARNING]

      I bet Thomas Shipp and Abram Smith (memory eternal, RAGE in Power!) wish they could have removed their “uniforms” as easily anyone can take off the Blue.

      *

      *

      *

      *

      *

      *

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/56e1a97bd685f079e350608dc20f673a0ae449ffd60dd0253634979e6d8d7245.jpg

  • safari

    (via Ben Jacobs)
    Does this mean something?
    https://twitter.com/grantwoodard/status/899476061880176642

    • Adam King

      Isn’t that the sum total of his vocabulary?

    • johncAtl

      Kaepernick could beat Kid Rock senseless and wouldn’t even break a sweat.

    • -M-

      There was a pro-Kaepernick thing by some police, including Serpico, the other day.

    • SoCalGal20

      Kid Rock is a douche? (stating the obvious, I know).

    • Cuberly

      Um, dog whistle?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Kid Rock: Yesterday’s News fuming about yesterday’s news.

  • SoCalGal20

    This is super cool. Timelapse of glow worms in a cave in Waitomo, New Zealand.

    https://twitter.com/Khanoisseur/status/899479584281812992

    • Adam King

      Amazing. What hath evolution wrought?

      • The_Wretched

        It’s all fun and games until the spores from the worms get into the cavers and later hatch to take over their minds. Then the newly glowing humans hang out on the ceilings of their neighbors basements only to repeat the cycle. A severe infestation wiped out 3 towns in Tasmania in the mid-80s but did anyone listen? No, they did not.

        • Adam King

          Serves ’em right for annoying those sweet little innocent wormies.

  • SoCalGal20

    Jared Kushner is a horrible human being. Attempting to have people who were tenants in his apartments in Baltimore thrown in jail for not being able to pay their rent.

    https://twitter.com/baltimoresun/status/899299990316732417

    • johncAtl

      He’s driven by his rage over his father being sent to prison – thank you Chris Christie for the one thing in your life you got right.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Analysts with the investment research firm Morningstar say property
      managers must pursue debt. If tenants fail to pay rent, the firm warned
      investors in an analysis of the financing underlying the Kushner
      properties, the company could default on its mortgages.

      I thought our one-percenters were all about the risks they take for their rewards.

      In other depressing PREIT news,

      http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/08/17/tenants-under-siege-inside-new-york-city-housing-crisis/

    • JCF

      EVIL!

      This is the type of person that these BILLIONAIRES are going after: “Moreno’s bankruptcy records show she owed debts of $60,000 against an annual income of $31,000.”

      Hear one of the MANY Hebrew Bible excoriations re the heartless rich:

      [Amos 4]

      1Hear this word, you cows of Bashan who are on the mountain of Samaria,
      Who oppress the poor, who crush the needy,
      Who [Ivanka] say to your husbands, “Bring now, that we may drink!”

      2The Lord GOD has sworn by His holiness,
      “Behold, the days are coming upon you
      When they will take you away with meat hooks,
      And the last of you with fish hooks.

      Ya got that? With MEAT HOOKS, you greedy bastards! >:-O

      • Lazycrockett

        I want all of them to go down. I want all of them either in prison or suicide. They are corrupt disgusting garbage.

    • The_Wretched

      Jail is for crimes – things you do that hurt society. A private person is not society. Jailing people for being unable to pay rent is unjust and a step on the Road to Gilead.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Oh My! Another Naval vessel collides with a merchant ship. Is Russia hacking our Nav systems?

    https://twitter.com/US7thFleet/status/899413305814642688

  • RickCabral

    It’s now clearly a question of whether humankind can survive the consequences of this presidency.

    • JCF

      Humankind? More like LifeOnEarthKind…

      • RickCabral

        As my mother would say, were she still with us, “God help us!”

  • SoCalGal20

    In case anybody is going to be at Trump’s Phoenix rally, here are some tips.

    https://twitter.com/TheSWPrincess/status/899464361806368768

    • blackstar

      order two tickets. looking forward to watching my empty seats at home 🙂 https://www.donaldjtrump.com/rallies/phoenix-az

    • Reality.Bites

      Back in the 60s I’m pretty sure mainstream media didn’t offer handy tips on how to protest the legitimacy of the executive branch.

  • SoCalGal20
    • JCF

      It’s always “in the last hour or so” with these things (I’m guessing because either the police withdraw, or groups of demonstrators—the last-to-leavers, who seem more prone to violence—move to where the cops aren’t.

      • blackstar

        or planted instigators.

  • safari
  • Lazycrockett
  • Marides48

    Now tRump will have to build a wall around Mar A Lago to keep it above water.

  • SoCalGal20

    If anybody hasn’t seen it, here is the cover of the Sunday Boston Globe.

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/899396881834442752

  • david fairfield

    Surprise.

  • Gloriatmason

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  • Dale Snyder

    What else would one expect from a scientifically illiterate sexual predator?

  • When climate change creates unrest and famine, this is what the 1% and our government has planned for us. We are in big trouble and arms will not get us out of it. Self powered robot soldiers.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/95975258/Elon-Musk-in-plea-to-UN-to-stop-killer-robots-but-what-are-they

  • JCF

    New polls! NBC/Marist

    Approval Ratings for Drumpf:

    Michigan 36%
    Pennsylvania 35%
    Wisconsin 34%

    The “Blue Wall” States Drumpf won.

    • JT

      Those idiots should be realizing their complicity in being hoodwinked. They should be angry at the fraud who conned them, and they should direct that anger accordingly.

      • canoebum

        You are asking a lot of people who are unaccustomed to thinking things through to think things through. I wouldn’t hold out much hope for that. A more common response will likely fall along the lines of “they’re both as bad”. As mentioned, the Democrats need much stronger messaging that goes along of the line of “Who has always cleaned up the mess left behind by Republicans? Are you going to trust them to clean up their own mess? Why re-elect the guys who broke everything and walked away with the money? Elect us and we’ll put things right.”

    • Tomcat

      The media is doing what trump wants, they are in campaign mode ALREADY.

    • The_Wretched

      Kris Kobach’s “Krosscheck” cancelled more voter registrations than the margin in those States. AND the judiciary was complicit in preventing accurate recounts.

  • blackstar
  • SoCalGal20

    Interesting thread on Russian influence operation happening on twitter right now.

    https://twitter.com/webradius/status/899581475271704577

  • Tomcat

    Once again I wake up to Morning Joe bashing the Democratic party for having no message so they cannot gain in 2018.
    Since people seem to not be able to go to Democrat sites and get the message I am going to give you the one that seems to keep jumping out all the time.
    The media will be in full fight to keep the Democratic party from gaining in 2018.
    We must NOT trust any of the cable news to tell things like they actually are and the media once again will NOT be our ally in anything ever.

    • Tomcat

      Goodbye Morning Joe goodbye.

      • Adam King

        Sound advice.

    • Cackalaquiano

      I’m not watching morning Joe, so I can’t comment directly on what he’s saying. But I do think the Democratic Party needs to figure out a more effective way to get its message out to the general population. They do have to brand themselves as the party of a strong economy and jobs, as well as all of the social issues. They’re not effective thus far in doing that. Throughout the 2016 campaign and even still, they are content to point to the Trump administration and say “at least were not that.”

      • Tomcat

        Our resume should stand for itself, we the party have had to pull our asses out of recessions the last three Democratic terms. Anyone that cannot see it is Democrats that are actually the ones that make economics better have their heads in the sand. it is not possible to get the country to understand this when continually the media is telling people that the party does not care about people, only wall street and businesses. Which is EXACTLY WHAT the republicans are guilty of and they somehow get to say they are our saviors.

        • Tomcat

          By the way it was NOT republicans that built up the jobs under Obama,, it was Obama and Democrats.

          • Cackalaquiano

            Damn right!

        • Cackalaquiano

          I agree completely that the resume should stand for it self, but it just takes more than that. The Democrats have yet to effectively market themselves to the different demographics of the different parts of America that they need to win. You can’t expect people to go to their website and learn what they are; you have to go to them. That’s advertising. I have the impression that the Democrats simply keep hiring the same political advertising firms from inside the beltway to turn out the same boring messages to put on the radio and on TV in rural Iowa, and rural Alabama, and North Dakota, and in the metro East Coast, and they call it a day, wondering why in the world they keep losing elections. You’re absolutely right: their policies absolutely improve the lives of these people, but it means nothing if they can’t convince voters to go to the polls to vote for them.
          They can’t control the media, but they can’t control their messaging. And I don’t feel like they’re doing that effectively.

      • SoCalGal20

        “A Better Deal” is the slogan they came up with. Why not the BEST deal? Ugh.

    • Adam King

      Don’t watch that crap.

    • Tomcat

      I am putting together a list that I think will once and for all show Democrats do have a message and as soon as I figure out a means of displaying it I will. Hopefully people will then realize we have have had a great message all along and it is the media that is swaying us to say different.

      • Tomcat

        The problem is not that Democrats don’t have a message, it is that we cannot get our message out over the noise of the haters.

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  • Gene Perry

    Of course, no science in the WH!

  • Vista-Cruiser

    Yes this is terrible. But it’s also a direct and foreseeable result of Democrats not bothering to vote in elections.

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