ALABAMA: Roy Moore And Luther Strange Head To Runoff After Neither Takes 50% In GOP Senate Primary

The New York Times reports:

Roy S. Moore, a former chief justice of the State Supreme Court, and Senator Luther Strange emerged from a crowded Republican field on Tuesday in a special Senate primary in Alabama, according to The Associated Press. They will face off for their party’s nomination next month in a runoff election, a contest that will test President Trump’s clout in a deeply conservative state.

Neither Mr. Strange, backed by Mr. Trump and millions of dollars in spending by outside groups, nor Mr. Moore, a favorite of evangelical voters, received more than 50 percent of the vote in a race that evolved into seeing who could embrace Mr. Trump more when the leading contenders were closely aligned on policy.

Mr. Strange, appointed this year to fill the seat vacated by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, now faces a contest in which the nomination may be determined in large part by how many voters Mr. Trump can swing toward the incumbent.

  • Bryan

    Great turnout…

  • Lazycrockett

    Dougie Jones “Coffee and Cherry Pie in every house!”

  • Talisman

    So, not only do we need term limits, we need age limits…

    • clay

      AL Supreme Court had one . . .

  • SoCalGal20

    The Nazis were so peaceful on Friday!!

    https://twitter.com/sivavaid/status/897616950037184512

    • Cuberly

      Fuck, here we are, the long term consequences!

      Has anyone heard of the condition of the others involved in the car attack, or, the ones bludgeoned by the nazis?

      • SoCalGal20

        I think Deandre Harris is more or less ok. He’s the one that was attacked in the parking garage. Btw, have ANY of his attackers been arrested? Several of them have been ID’d. He may well have been shot if Greg Pelast’s camera guy hadn’t been there. One of the Nazis had a gun on him, then pointed it at the camera guy, then decided that MAYBE shooting somebody while he was being filmed wasn’t the best idea. That guy needs to be in jail, as do the others.

        I don’t know how any of the others are that were hit in the car attack.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      The actual violent beatings that took place Friday night outside UVa: I’ve seen video of it in exactly two places: “All in” Tuesday night (hosted by Joy) and the 22-minute Vice special. The comments by the young black man aimed at the cops Friday night (see the Vice special) turned out to be prescient.

      • SoCalGal20

        Yeah, nobody has been talking about the violence by the Nazis on Friday night, including terrorizing the people at that church, or the clergy they attacked on Saturday morning. There really hasn’t been much about the parking garage incident either.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          I see this morning that the NY Daily News ran with a photo of the parking lot beating. God, is that horrifying. Someone posted that Greg Palast has video with one of these goons aiming a weapon straight at camera, but I have not yet sought it out.

          • SoCalGal20

            Yeah, first the guy is pointing the gun at Deandre, then he points it at the camera guy. THEN he realizes camera guy has it all so…he wisely puts the gun away.

    • The Milkman

      This is a dark time for our country.

  • SoCalGal20

    6.23% turnout. Wow.

    • Hue-Man

      The people have spoken – and I can name them!

      • MBear

        they’re all related

      • TheManicMechanic

        Half are named BillyBob I’m sure.

    • Talisman

      Poor turnout favors the repuglicants.

      And, sadly, will give us Senator Roy Moore.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        Maybe we should go back to allowing State legislatures to elect Senators? Dunno which is worse…. 🙂

        • Talisman

          No….just no.

          We need to make sure as many people as possible can vote…

        • No, that’s what Republicans want because they control well over half the states now. If the state legislatures picked the senators we’d be lucky to have 10 Democrats in the Senate right now.

    • Refugay

      Can anyone vote or just registered Republicans?

    • Circ09

      Apathy is a worse fate than hate.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    O/T: There’s plague in Arizona. Authorities warn of fleas that can infect people and pets.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/08/15/two-arizona-communities-120-miles-apart-see-evidence-of-the-plague/

    • Treant

      Are they called “Republicans?” Because they’re rife in Alabama and yes, they bite.

      • safari

        …with dentures, often.

    • whollyfool

      I’m pretty sure the apocalypse is nigh.

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        I just can’t tell yet if I’m grateful or not.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          The sooner, the better; as far as I’m concerned.

    • MB

      Three plague cases here in New Mexico this year as of June 27, 2017. Nothing new here. All three, ranging in age from 52-63, were treated at Santa Fe area hospitals, recovered, and were released after a few days.

    • safari

      It’s pretty common in the SW.

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        Seems to be getting a bit worse this year though and that’s cause for concern for those of us with furry friends, and those of us with immune system issues.

        • kelven

          Diatomaceous Earth. Very effective, very safe around pets.

          • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

            Right! I do keep forgetting about it. I try to keep my baby clean (he’s in the pic), but I try not to attack him with excessive chems. Diatomaceous earth from what I understand is a very good choice.

            Thanks for the reminder. 👍🏻

          • netxtown

            If the DE is not readily available or there are respiratory issues…plain old table salt can work as well.

            My only issue with DE is that it easily becomes ‘airborne’ – and ends up in the lungs of the humans and the animals. I bring my dogs in during the heat of the day, and they usually lay in the LR on the carpet – with their noses right down in the stuff.

            The salt is much heavier, and works by killing the ankle biters shortly after hatching. I guess there is enough moisture in the cracked egg and on the flea to activate the dehydrating aspects of salt.

            For rooms without carpet – I use the Home Defense stuff around the perimeter baseboards

            And even with all that – it is still a fight every year.

    • Talisman

      Captain Tripps, FTW.

      99% fatal.

      • Todd20036

        1% fun!

    • Lazycrockett

      Like The Black Plague?

      • SoCalGal20

        Yes, same.

  • Ken M

    I never thought I would be saying this but…let Moore win. It’s another loss for Trump, and both candidates are crazy asses anyway

  • Refugay

    Just when you thought it couldn’t get Moore Strange.

    • Joe in PA

      Bah dum bump!

    • FAEN

      Bowing.

    • whollyfool

      Beautiful!

    • Robincho

      Moore Strange than this it doesn’t get, but I’m gettin’ a real Jones for this race…

  • Treant

    Huh, I guess Alabama doesn’t quite love Moore as much as I had thought.

    He’ll win, of course, but they now have to spend more money to force that win. And then more in November. And then Moore can take his insane ass to Washington until he gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar and kicked out of the Senate to “spend more time with his retirement fund.”

    • Cuberly

      The establishment rethugs must be freaking the hell out. Paying lip service to the talibanjelical faction must wear them out. Having a full blown evengelical version of Charles Coughlin in the running must royally piss them off.

  • Outlaw Woman

    A choice between a fundamentalist bigot, and a DC comics super villain !

  • safari
    • Adam King

      Still a great leader. He just can’t help it.

      • safari

        I don’t discounting him learning leadership. Many of great leaders focused on becoming leaders.

        • Ken M

          I keep seeing 1/2 articles about Obama getting back into politics in the fall. Anybody know more about that?

          • houstonray

            He’s apparently been talking behind the scenes about helping to reshape the Democratic Party to work toward the 2018 midterms and then of course getting the party ready for 2020. But other than reading a quote that someone said he has to walk a fine line to keep from ruffling to many feathers, it’s been kinda quiet.

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  • clay

    Let’s see what radical TeaBagger Mo Brooks tries to swing.

  • boobert

    6.23%! And you wonder how these clowns keep getting elected.

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Too bad the Alabama Court of the Judiciary (or wtf it’s called) doesn’t have constitutional or statutory power to prevent removed State judges from ever running for office again. N.B. the Impeachment clause of the U.S. federal Constitution DOES have such a clause.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Talisman

      If he were a woman, this would end his political career.

      • Lazycrockett

        If he were human.

      • edrex

        he used to be.

    • Cuberly
      • M Jackson

        What could he possibly have made up that would cause those tears?

    • Adam King

      He and Pat Robertson could make it a twofer.

    • Reality.Bites

      I suppose that’s one way to get out of having to comment.

    • edrex

      was it another fukin horse?

    • MBear

      Did they have to “rush”…?

    • Carl

      No, we might need him to testify….

    • Refugay

      I heard he went down like twin towers. (Btw, I lived in NYC during 9/11-Giuliani was a dick before then and after and honestly just did what any other mayor of the city would have done during the attack. I would only joke about 9/11 at his, maybe GWB’s, or Cheney’s, expense!)

      • Reality.Bites

        At the time we thought Bush’s response was what any other president would do too.

        We’ve learned since then.

        • Refugay

          What frightens me to this day about 9/11 is the way so many people I thought were liberal, progressive thinkers rushed to support an attack on Afghanistan. I was one of a very small group of protesters at a Union Square candle light vigil for peace against an attack on Afghanistan in the days leading up to it. Very few people were openly against an immediate military response. It frightens me as I have seen just how quickly people can be manipulated and I know if Trump were to leverage this after a large scale attack, perhaps a staged attack, any resistance would immediately be pushed to the fringe. That really is my worst nightmare and why we need to itmfa!!!

    • UrsusArctos
    • Lumpy Gaga

      Subpoenas will do that to a guy.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        As will a “Russian massage”

    • agcons

      Oh, dear. This has just ruined my whole morning. I was saving that single tear for a rainy day, too.

  • Cuberly

    OT: Our top story tonite, Pat Robertson is still alive.

    (Still in the hospital.)

    • safari

      *checks watch*. Eh.

    • Adam King

      But is he on death’s door? Tee hee hee.

      • Cuberly

        Unknown.

    • Lazycrockett

      Not that I feel sorry for him or wish him well, but WTF is an 87 year old doing on a horse????

      • Cuberly

        …falling off apparently.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          We warned him not to ride that stallion bareback!

          • Cuberly

            Falling off a horse is a euphemism?

          • Phillip in L.A.

            I hope he at least used protection, though

          • UrsusArctos

            Can you pass the Brain Bleach, some thoughts call for it.

      • safari

        Not dying?

    • Reality.Bites

      May he live just long enough to see Trump removed from office.

      • edrex

        nah.

        • Reality.Bites

          Surely 2 or 3 days more of acute suffering are ok

          • edrex

            eh. whatever you want. i’ve got no horse in this race.

      • Cuberly

        Donnie needs to go sooner than later. Pat can curmudgeon his way in front of a TV camera for 10 more years for all I care. Donnie-boy is a fucking menace to the entire world.

        • Reality.Bites

          Were you under the impression I was wishing him a long life?

          • Cuberly

            Heh….hell no…lol….

      • Refugay

        Jesus will save him.

    • Carl

      soon…..

    • ohbear1957

      I hope he gets a staph infection.

    • Dagoril

      Damn.

      /throws more asafoetida into the cauldron…

      • Cuberly

        HA!

    • UrsusArctos

      Asshole isn’t going to pull a Generalissimo Francisco Franco, where he goes ahead and dies so we can note the fact he’s still dead.

      • Cuberly

        I’m looking at it as a jury still out sort of reverse Franco sketch.

  • Hank
  • safari
    • I occasionally put up tweets like that. For the same reasons.

  • Adam King

    What a repulsive little state.

    • Talisman

      sad thing is, I might be moving there soon.

      • Adam King

        If you do the average IQ will skyrocket.

        • Talisman

          Are you sure….I will *choose* to live there.

          The only reason I’m considering it is that my family lives in the state.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Don’t!

        • Refugay

          ArizoNo!

      • UrsusArctos

        It’s not hell, although some places do a great imitation of it. There’s decent people there. Even liberals. Unfortunately they’re only around 40% of the voters.

  • kelven
  • jimbo65

    Ugh turned over to CNN during Lawrence’s commercial break. Jan bone finger brewer is on. And she sounds horrid

    • Paula

      She is horrid and looks horrid, too. They are a matching trio.

  • Paula

    Can you even imagine that insane, demented, jeebus licking Moore being a U.S. Senator? I can’t. The idea worries me.

    • safari

      I expect the worst from Alabama. So, yes. I can.

      • Paula

        Trump’s next speech will feature:
        Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.

        • UrsusArctos

          The shit of that is that Wallace didn’t care that much (as his later history shows). He was 100% demagogue and said whatever got Deplorables to the polls and shifted positions as Alabama changed.
          45*? I’m not so sure he isn’t more than a Nazi enabler.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      The last decent Senator from Alabama had to be Hugo Black (who ended up his career as an Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, as you probably know)

    • Cuberly

      The author they brought on Reid’s show today spoke about how Trump sounded like a governor from the 1950s south.

      I think that applies in this instance. To say Moore is a throwback is stating the obvious. Moore is a REALLY big throwback to the 1950s……and 1890s.

      • Paula

        I wonder if Moore will bring his own 10 commandments monument for his office.

        • UrsusArctos

          I think they’ll “White-Out” that pesky bit about not bearing false witness.

  • FAEN

    Ok I need to get some sleep. Night night warriors.

    • ohbear1957

      Night, honey, Sleep well.

    • jimbo65

      Sweet dreams.

    • Cuberly

      Nite.

  • safari

    O/T: It’s 2017. We’re recovering records from 1867 to remind the nation about what is treason for the civil war.

  • Carl

    Republicans don’t actually like their candidates. They just settle for who comes out on top in the end.

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    Well whoever wins they’ll have to stock up on wooden crosses and adult diapers.

  • AdamTh

    No one could represent AL better than Moore. Sad.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      #Eloquent

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      He does seem to be a living personification of the state.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    God help us if Roy Moore gets elected Senator. There will be a hate bill introduced daily.

    • Circ09

      With a little luck Moore may take a page from Ted Cruz’s playbook and be a constant fly in their ointment dickhead. Of course he will still vote for all the major Repub legislation though.

    • M Jackson

      I can only hope that he helps pass horrible legislation that will bring massive suffering to his constituents such as financial ruin and waves of early preventable deaths.
      — Sorry but trump’s presser today (“what next, George Washington?”) has left me in this kind of mood. —

  • Michael R
  • Sam_Handwich

    drag Caleb Moore into this please. kthxbai

  • fuzzybits

    Geez,I wonder if he keeps a bottle of gin and bible tracts under that 10 gallon hat?

  • NZArtist

    It’s like B-Grade monster movies. You just cant get rid of the evil fuckers – they always keep coming back.

  • Blake J Butler

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-texas-lgbt-idUSKCN1AW038

    Texas bathroom bill is dead for this special session.

    • Sam_Handwich

      i hope they remembered to flush

    • Adam King

      I refuse to use a public bathroom next to a dead person. The very idea!

    • Circ09

      Thank you Joe Straus III.

      • billbear1961

        Speaker of the House?

    • billbear1961
    • JCF

      Thank God for some GOOD news for a change!

    • netxtown

      and the dick head Lt gov is already talking about a 2nd special session…..

    • That’s good. Of course that just means it will be a top issue in the midterms and drive all the bigots out to the polls here.

  • Dems ponder whether to help their own party’s candidate? C’mon! CONTEST EVERY RACE ALWAYS!

    • Adam King

      And get out the fucking vote! Get down to Allybammy and drag those Democrats to the polls!

    • Adam Schmidt

      Bring back Howard Dean! And if you can’t do that, at least bring back his 50 state strategy!

  • What a shit show. Roy Moore vs a Trumpanista. And a Democrat who got fewer votes than either of them even while handily winning his primary. I know this is Alabama but motherfuckers.

  • zhera

    O/T:

    I just watched the press conference from earlier today and I have a few questions:

    1. Did the victim’s mother really thank tRump or was that another fantasy of his?

    2. There’s an Alt-Left now? I reject this and hope it won’t be used by anyone. Knowing the media, it’s probably already used on every show.

    3. I can’t understand how the so-called reporters can stand there and listen to that hateful drivel and not ask him “Mr President, just how far up your ass is your head right now?”

  • Lazycrockett

    I am going to watch the opening of Colbert just to see his take on it.

  • Ninja0980

    Either way, the winner is going to be a POS like every other elected Republican from that state.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Cuberly

      I’m speechless.

    • Mikey

      I shared it on Facebook.. but, I don’t know any Nazis who could learn from this.

      • olandp

        I don’t know any Nazis who could learn.

        • DesertSun59

          I don’t know any Nazis.

          • olandp

            Touché..

    • The Milkman

      Be like Heather.

  • fuzzybits
    • whollyfool

      Thank you for that.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: I have a fascination with pterosaurs, this branch of flying prehistoric reptiles (not dinosaurs). I only want to be represented by someone who understands it existed millions of years ago and doesn’t insist that it failed to get on the Ark.

    https://youtu.be/scAp-fncp64

    • JCF

      Hey, there’s a major exhibit on them in San Fran! You really should see it.

      https://www.calacademy.org/pterosaurs

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I’ll try to make time for it. It says it’s available until January.

    • Mikey

      hmmm, the pterosaur scene in Jurassic Park 3 is probably the only scene in that whole series of films that gave me nightmares (I’m one of those who easily forgives poor storytelling… I loved ALL of the Jurassic films).

      • Lionel Leston

        There are even scarier pterosaurs than Jurassic Park’s pteranodons. Hatzegopteryx is thought to have hunted small human-sized dinosaurs.

  • Lazycrockett
    • SoCalGal20

      Well, they need to start saying it publicly. What the fuck is it going to take?

      • Bryan

        The firing of Bob Mueller?

    • Oh, Parker

      No respect for any of them who didn’t see that before the election and said nothing.

    • UrsusArctos

      Until they say those things in an impeachment trial, I’m not interested.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      They were saying this crap even before the election. I think they should be kicked in the butt until they DO something about it.

    • edrex

      they NEED to start fucking saying it PUBLICLY!

    • The_Wretched

      How much more do they need? Do they think it’ll stop? Literally every time he’s in public or holds a press conference, it’ll happen again.

  • Cuberly

    I think Fox has entered bigot defcon 1.

    https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/897610672749649921

    • Lazycrockett

      Always wanted to be compared to the Aztecs. Got to love a culture that played basketball games with enemies beheaded heads.

      • Cuberly

        …makes the season shorter.

        • Mikey

          and the players too.

      • Robincho

        Their bodies were beheaded. The heads were disembodied.

    • edrex

      goddamn aztecs!

      • Cuberly

        Bastards, every one of them, dang aztecs!

        How often does one resort to Aztec analogies to botherism America’s history of racism?

      • Mikey

        shouldn’t we be calling them Naz-tecs?

    • leastyebejudged

      This is what passes for history education in conservative households.

      • Cuberly

        Yep, the old, Mesopotamian’s had slaves so what’s the big deal ploy….HAH…yeah, that’s as old as the hills. (shudder)

        Seriously, THIS is where we’re at as a corporate media licking society.

    • ohbear1957

      He didn’t list Ivanka and her sweatshops.

      • Snarkaholic

        Or, as she refers to them, “cardio sessions.”

    • zhera

      I thought Fox hosts made a lot of money. Why is he bying his wig at the Dollar Store?

    • The_Wretched

      WTH does tucker have on his head?

      Aztecs? “whatabouterism at its finest”

  • Lazycrockett
  • worstcultever

    OT – enjoyed this comment at Eschaton from tacitus voltaire:

    trump will:

    1) inadvertantly impeach himself by bragging about something he thought made him a great genius but is actually a criminal offense

    2) get discreetly article 25’ed after trying to order mattis to carry out a nuclear strike

    3) continue to flounder around annoying everybody and impeding the congress until he flops clumsily out of office

    4) have a fucking stroke or something ferkrissakes

    5) be carted off to a nice happy place after taking his dick out in front of an audience of nuns

    6) be brought up on money laundering charges by mueller and piss his pants while being dragged kicking and screaming out of the white house

    • M Jackson

      Well, those possibilities are increasingly far-fetched, but exceedingly satisfying.

      • (((GC)))

        I’ll take #3. If the Rethuglicans can be contained – and that includes that bill requiring review before a nuclear first strike – that might be better than a President Pence or Ryan

        • Mikey

          I’d settle for a firing squad for the whole damned bunch of traitors.

    • bambinoitaliano

      As the saying goes, money is the root of all evil. The shit gibbon eventual downfall is chickens come home to roost.

  • Lazycrockett

    “Lot of slave owners, Ivanka’s clothing line.”

    • jimbo65

      Ha!

    • Cuberly

      They were just there to watch the stitching.

  • JWC

    It matters not they are both crooks

  • SoCalGal20

    Did we know there was also a primary for Jason Chaffetz’s congressional seat tonight?

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/897666153983741952

    • Ninja0980

      He’ll be a jerk like Chaffetz was.

    • BobSF_94117

      He’s mayor of Utah???

      -ed

    • -M-

      @kathieallenmd will be running against him.

  • worstcultever

    Glad I ran across this vid before bed – i have been so soul-sick and dispirited today – this guy helped, he’ s a real breath of righteous truth

    https://twitter.com/jefferiesshow/status/897611670062637056

    • Octavio

      Jim Jefferies is consistently excellent.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        At the risk of being shallow… super hottie, he is.

    • KnownDonorDad

      Nailed it.

  • Lazycrockett
    • UrsusArctos

      Damn! I flipped the channel, saw that harpie (Brewer), and changed channel FAST, so I missed it. Thanks for the link

      • Lazycrockett

        Brewer thinks its all a fuckin joke that a woman was brutally murdered and she would have been fine if she just “got over it”.

        • UrsusArctos

          Well, she IS a GOPer.

    • ohbear1957

      Who knew an old dried piece of beef jerky could talk.

    • fuzzybits

      You can see her trailing off at the end not paying any attention. This old bat is the same as a lot of them. You’ll never reach them.

      • Ross

        Agreed.

        You can’t reach evil.

      • Lazycrockett

        Just give me my CNN paycheck so I can go home and drink my glass(es) of wine.

      • The_Wretched

        She was showing dementia back as AZ Governor. I can’t believe they trotted her out.

    • Cuberly

      WUT? Uh…..um…uh….

    • Adam King

      Why have that shitty old woman on TV at all? Who gives a fuck what her filthy racist mouth vomits out?

    • agcons

      I’d forgotten just how godawful that leathery old bitch sounded.

  • SoCalGal20

    Some of you might be interested in this. Rev. William Barber is reviving MLK’s Poor People’s Campaign. They have upcoming events. They had an event in Albuquerque tonight.

    The Poor People’s Campaign: A National Call for Moral Revival will strategically connect and grow different struggles and lift up and deepen the leadership of those most affected to transform the political, economic and moral structures of our society. The Campaign will push forward concrete demands, build unity across lines of division, and draw on art, music, and religious traditions to challenge the dominant narrative that blames poor people for poverty.

    The Poor People’s Campaign: A National Call for Moral Revival will necessarily be a multi-year undertaking. The Summer of 2017 through the Spring of 2018 will be used as the public launching of the Campaign. By engaging in highly publicized civil disobedience and direct action over a 6-week period in at least 25 states and the District of Columbia during the Spring of 2018, the Campaign will force a serious national examination of the enmeshed evils of systemic racism, poverty, militarism and environmental devastation during a key election year while strengthening and connecting informed and committed grassroots leadership in every state, increasing their power to continue this fight long after June 2018.

    https://poorpeoplescampaign.org/new-poor-peoples-campaign/

    • UrsusArctos

      Good on him. I appreciate what I’ve seen of his work and heard from him. They missed the mark on marketing. The very thought of “poor” will make it harder to get marginal supporters involved. I know why they did it, I understand the history, in normal times it might work. The “Moral Monday” campaign had broad appeal since getting people involved because they think Moral = Good is easier. We have seen how plenty of people assume Poor = Bad.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    I’m really wondering when Trump will say something like this. He might as well, the GOP will bleat Aye.

    https://youtu.be/NJvVEt6F_Xw?t=12s

    • KnownDonorDad

      Baaaaa…..baaaaaa!

  • -M-

    O/T Daww, so cute.
    https://youtu.be/iu_abJBJZcs

    • JCF

      Mazel Tov!

    • Ninja0980

      Hope they are more successful then some of the other Youtube Couples as of late.
      Best of luck to both of them!

      • -M-

        I haven’t been keeping up with YouTube or YouTubers lately. Dan and Brian were definitely not my first guess when I heard here that someone was breaking up.

        • Ninja0980

          Was shocked to a degree but looking back, could see this possibly happening.
          Clear Dan has some anxiety issues and other things that makes it hard for him to work etc.
          That can take a toll on a relationship no matter how much you love someone.
          Assuming we’ll know more once they release their video tomorrow but it won’t shock me if that’s the main reason.
          Some of the other couples that have broken up like Vinny & Luke were no surprise at all.
          Two nasty self absorbed jerks (they were horrible to Hillary voters online) aren’t going to last long.

          • -M-

            Hadn’t known either of those things (break up or horribleness) about Vinny and Luke. Watched some of their videos back whenever but never really followed.

            Brian was a bit of an abrasive Bernie enthusiast on twitter during the primaries for a while at least. Which, isn’t he a broker or something?!?

  • fuzzybits
    • Bryan

      Rest.

    • Cuberly

      Can I pet him?

    • Max_1

      Winning too much?

  • TheManicMechanic

    Can’t get much more strange than Alabammy. The South’s Gonna Dumb Agin!

  • Max_1

    Been away all day but keeping up. This is what I can come up with…

    THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A WHITE NATIONALIST AND NEO-NAZI SYMPATHIZER

    Did I get it right?

  • Cuberly
    • -M-

      They are funny and friendly.

      • JCF

        My friends have several: it’s fun to whistle along w/ them!

    • Max_1

      Awesome…

  • Max_1

    Sorry… I’m still trying to understand how we slipped through the hourglass and found ourselves on the other side of rightside up?

    • JCF
    • Blake J Butler

      Stupid people, greedy people, evil people, all wanted a different vision for this country, and in the end evil won.

      And the blame doesn’t lie with republicans entirely, but complacent democrats and the latte liberals with their purist shit.

      Some battles are worth fighting and some are not, if anyone should have been fighting, it should have been left to the republicans.

      Now we are forced to fight for the fight for our lives, because some just didn’t care or care enough to act and stop evil in its tracks.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      America has entered the Upside Down and there’s no number 11 waiting to help.

    • billbear1961

      For a quarter of a CENTURY you’ve let a right-wing propaganda machine of the most relentless and vile LIARS–always getting WORSE–undermine genuine democracy with almost no one but COMEDIANS fighting back and denouncing them daily.

      THAT is, more than any other cause, the MAIN reason for the current DEPLORABLE crisis.

      • The_Wretched

        I fully agree that the MSM and their endless shielding of the right if not promotion thereof is a huge part of how today came to be.

  • KnownDonorDad

    Oh FFS, that homophobic lawbreaker is going to be a U.S. Senator. “Alabama’s got me so upset….”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ25-U3jNWM

    • JCF

      “Oh FFS, that homophobic lawbreaker is going to be a U.S. Senator.”

      Not a done deal yet (though of course, likely one of the two Rethugs).

      • KnownDonorDad

        He was the clear primary winner. It’s over. Happy to be proven wrong, but I’m calling it.

        • Reality.Bites

          No, you need 50% so there will be a run-off primary. He’s likely to prevail there, and the eventual Republican nominee is certain to win, but there’s still maybe a 25% chance it won’t be him.

  • Max_1
  • billbear1961

    Trump should be removed from office NOW (even before Mueller presents his findings)–for repeated OBSTRUCTION of justice, for unparalleled GRAFT, for relentless and proven pathological lying (including deliberate SLANDER), for calling on the DoJ to hound his political opposition (yet another attack on the rule of law), for recklessly endangering national and world security, for frequent and increasing signs of mental impairment, for refusing to clearly condemn all white supremacists and to repudiate their support, and for his own unmitigated hate-mongering, for being a NAZI.

    https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/880984915340341248

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj5Jy07bGgo

    • i totally agree with King. but the problem is how many of us do not and cannot have the time to regularly protest. those of us most affected by the nazi unpresident and his party’s action are those who usually have to work two jobs, just to make it. and that’s a feature not a bug, in our modern economy.

      • billbear1961

        Those who can MUST.

        I’m really afraid we’re in BIG trouble if they/we don’t.

        A “General Strike” may be necessary.

  • Max_1
    • Reality.Bites

      Yeah. It’s the unknowingly part that bothered him.

  • Max_1
    • zhera

      Any and all Republican, politician or voter, who does NOT repudiate tRump and the nazis are complicit and a part of the problem. They are nazis. They are the Germans who, during WW II, saw ash fall down over their town and pretended to not realize it came from the consentration camp down the road.

  • Max_1
    • billbear1961

      Jefferson Davis and now Donald “the Nazi” Dump.

    • Michael R

      Correct title : Grand Wizard

  • billbear1961

    Plaque honouring Confederate leader Jefferson Davis removed from Montreal building

    The Montreal plaque had been there since 1957 and was supplied by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, a non-profit organization dedicated to “honouring the memory of its Confederate ancestors.”

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/08/15/plaque-honouring-confederate-leader-jefferson-davis-removed-from-montreal-building.html

    • agcons

      When I read about it on the CBC yesterday I was astonished that such a thing would be in Montreal, of all places. As it turns out, Davis was released on bail after being charged with treason, and skedaddled to Montreal for a time.

  • zhera
    • such a shame, but good on the father. i wonder where the son learned his hatred.

      • Homo Erectus

        “You’ve got to be carefully taught”.

        • it’s like Ari Fleisher and his parents. apparently they were good liberals and raised him to be so, but for some reason he went over to the Dark Side. i read an interview with them and they were utterly perplexed that he would be willing to throw in with the bushes and all the evil goopers.

      • Ross

        My older brother came out of the womb evil.

        So, some people are just born pieces of shit.

  • 6% turnout. wow. that’s rather pathetic. but in a way, encouraging for those of us who do vote in primaries. your vote is that much more valuable when the disinterested stay home.

  • bambinoitaliano
  • billbear1961

    I wanted to share a few letters from people posting on the NY Times:

    In the video, Trump raises the flat of his hand and pushes it forcefully toward a reporter who asks how he could put a secessionist and the father of our country in the same category.
    Won’t even look in the reporter’s direction as he shouts over the question.
    That is an act of symbolic violence enabling the violent actions of others: “I do not hear you. I need not hear you. You are negated. You’re fired!”
    Better to get this out now: The longer Trump stays in the Oval Office, the more the danger grows.

  • billbear1961

    Another letter from the Times:

    “Both sides” did not come armed with long guns.
    “Both sides” did not come armed with sticks.
    “Both sides” did not come in para-military gear.
    “Both sides” did not come with Nazi flags.
    “Both sides” did not come with Confederate flags.
    “Both sides” were not giving the Nazi salute,
    “Both sides” did not drive a car into a crowd of people with the intent of killing and maiming.
    .
    It was only one side that did that.
    .
    That side was the one chanting “Make America Great Again”,
    .
    “Take America Back”, “Blood and Soil”.
    .
    That side is emboldened by those who talk about both sides being responsible.”
    ~ Jonathan Odell

    • i would love to take america back from the white invaders who slaughtered some of my ancestors in their religious rush to steal all our wealth. oh, that’s not what they mean?

      • billbear1961

        Good morning, CD!

        I thought these letters were pretty damned good.

        Well, obviously, or I wouldn’t have posted them.

        🙂

        • guten morgen, fuzzy bear! yes, they were great letters. but srsly? fuck the times. did you see what they did, leaving out part of what the traitor said, that made him look bad on a tweet about Cville? they are enabling shitheads who are a large part of the reason why we are where we are and i refuse to give them a single click. that’s been my policy since they published all that shit during the spin up to the Iraq war. they are stained with blood, every last one of them.

          • billbear1961

            They’ve got more than one screw loose, that’s for sure! I posted this yesterday:

            This is the conclusion of an article in the NY Times about the white supremacists plaguing the nation:

            Like other white supremacists, Mr. Spencer has called for “a white homeland” in North America. But he, too, can often seem less interested in policy than in headlines.
            At his news conference, he referred — cheekily, it seemed — to the throngs in Charlottesville who marched by torchlight in an echo of the Ku Klux Klan.
            “The idea that the K.K.K. had a monopoly on torches,” he said, “that is not the case.”

            (Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Nicholas Fandos contributed reporting.)

            https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/white-supremacists-right-wing-extremists-richard-spencer.html

            The reporters who wrote this found Spencer, a NAZI, cheeky, i.e. “impudent in a playful or appealing way.”

            A woman was MURDERED in Charlottesville and many more injured, and reporters from the NY Times find these fascist bastards CHEEKY!!

            We are not going to be able to rely on the press to defend this democracy from the most hateful extremism—they’re going to treat the most hateful, bigoted, irrational and flagrantly racist opinions like views worthy of debate, of thoughtful consideration, in a modern, diverse democracy!

            They say, in this report, that one of the main things these fascists want is publicity; well, my GOD, our vile media are going to give them ALL they crave, just as they did that NAZI when he was running for the presidency!!

          • The_Wretched

            A “homeland”? is that like a reservation or those mini countries in South Africa?

      • leastyebejudged

        Who exactly would you take it back from, serious question, since all those people are long dead ?

        To me you sound just like the white nationalists.

        • JT

          Why are you such an asshole? Serious question.

          • leastyebejudged

            I think people’s real agenda’s slip out when they “joke” like this.

          • JT

            The problem is you don’t think.

          • leastyebejudged

            You’re another one that jokes about killing people, hahaha, hilarious.

          • JT

            As I said, you don’t think. You just lie and do the bidding of Drumpf, as you did during the election campaign.

          • leastyebejudged

            You’ve got the lying thing down all right. Seems to me that you’re the one here pushing Trump.

          • JT

            You are such a fucking liar and Drumpf-enabler. All the false equivalency BS you spouted during the campaign and afterwards. Have you any idea how many people have you blocked and only unblock you when you’re taken to task for being an asshole?

          • leastyebejudged
          • JT

            You are to be judged least.

        • it was a joke, honey. adjust your snark monitor, it appears it’s out of whack.

  • billbear1961

    Also from the Times:

    Perhaps a read of history would help. When Hitler’s brownshirts went around in mobs decrying the Jews and other “subhumans” for all the problems in Germany, and people rose up to protest or even fight them, are both sides equally to blame? Would they have been blamed for mounting a physical defense? Our country must be defended against this element rising again. BLM exists as self defense for their group that is under assault.

  • billbear1961

    From the Times:

    If Nazis are marching in the street, you bet they are going to be confronted by groups of people whose fathers and grandfathers fought and died to defeat the greatest danger ever posed to civilization. Just as freedom of speech gives no protection to one who falsely cries “Fire!” in a crowded theater, freedom of speech does not protect those intent on exterminating entire races and cultures. Those who chant “fighting words” are not, under our laws, entitled to plead self-defense when attacked, and are not protected by the First Amendment’s prohibitions against curtailing freedom of speech. A government that refuses to condemn and silence hateful speech that arouses the fear and anger of a target group can not expect the targets to be complacent. Government is charged with keeping the peace, and if it refuses to discharge its responsibility it can not complain when the people rise up and give Nazis and White Supremacists just what they deserve.

  • billbear1961

    Just one more letter from the Times:

    Of course there is inevitably wrong on both sides of any confrontation, but this is not the critical issue here. A small group of self-avowed Nazis and white supremacists came bearing automatic weapons, torches, and shields, with the express purpose of terrorizing the people of Charlottesville. They killed Heather Heyer, and injured close to 20 more. And they did it, in the words of David Duke, in support of President Trump.

    The President’s response is disgraceful. In failing to take a side in a brutal challenge to democracy and the fundamental principles of your constitution, and in his rude and belligerent assault on the legitimate questions of a free press, he has crossed a line. His is the ideology and behaviour that has fueled murderous regimes across the political spectrum, from Nazi Germany, to the former Yugoslavia, to Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, to Rwanda, to the Islamic State. The threat to your democracy is no longer hypothetical. He must be removed.

    All of the letters I’ve posted can be found in the comments section of this NY Times article, under NYT picks:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/trump-press-conference-charlottesville.html

  • Dunkerblinker

    Alabama is one fucked up backwards state.

  • bambinoitaliano
    • billbear1961

      MOST of these bullying cowards WILL run away IF confronted by people standing up to their EVIL.

      • Karl Dubhe

        That’s less likely when they’ve got their little fiends with them.

        They’re quite susceptible to following the mob.

  • Michael R
  • Tomcat

    Christopher Cantwell is going to be very instrumental in the upcoming months.
    He is vile and empowered by trump.

  • Silver Badger

    One wonders, is Trump really on vacation or is he in an underground bunker somewhere?

    • Tomcat

      You can be sure he has checked out the bunker he will go to when needed, and is having the necessary changes made for it to be fitting (in his mind)
      for him and his family.

    • JT

      Contemplating an end that would be good for the country, one would hope.

      • Tomcat

        Surely you jest.

        • JT

          No jest.

    • Reality.Bites

      And does he have a cyanide capsule?

  • SoCalGal20
    • Leo

      They saw the writing on the wall. Didn’t want more violence. Quick and swift. Don’t blame them.

    • Hue-Man

      A Confederate plaque on a wall outside the Hudson’s Bay department store in downtown Montreal was removed Tuesday evening…

      Why Canada?

      Located on the Hudson’s Bay wall facing Union Ave., the plaque was erected in 1967 by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, a women’s association from the south whose objective is to commemorate soldiers who were part of the Confederate States Army. It read in French: “To the memory of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate States, who lived in 1867 in the home of John Lovell, which was once here.”

      After spending two years in a U.S. prison, Davis came to Montreal in
      1867 to join his family, which had fled here earlier. He lived in
      Lennoxville until 1868.

      http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/confederate-plaque-removed-from-downtown-hudson-bay-wall

      • BobSF_94117

        “…the United Daughters of the Confederacy, a women’s association from the
        south whose objective is to commemorate soldiers who were part of the
        Confederate States Army.”

        That they were reinforcing and supporting Jim Crow and opposing the Civil Rights movement was just icing on the cake, I suppose.

  • JT

    Confirmation that more than 40% of MS gooper voters are cretinous, evil asswipes.

    • Tomcat

      Did you mean Alabama voters?

      • JT

        That too. Thanks so much.

  • Reality.Bites

    Discuss: If there is only in fact one side when it comes to Nazism, should Republicans be banned from JMG?

    We have not once had one appear who had the slightest interest in meaningful discussion.

    • Tomcat

      No, not every republican is a NAZI, any more than every Democrat is a wonderful decent person. Banning stops any chance of compromise.
      Extreme factions in all three major parties are what is keeping America worlds apart.

    • Tomcat

      They can be blocked by individuals so there is no need to block totally.

  • Tomcat

    White nationalist said some very good things about me so I have to return the favor.
    It does not matter that they hate my jew son in law, I was not very happy Ivanka chose him over me either. The media however has NEVER said good things about me so I must bash them and call them names from the bully pulpit. I do these things because I love America and want to see it return to the 1800 century. signed trump.
    I know, I know it could NOT be trump, too many characters in paragraph.

  • DesertSun59

    The fact that Roy Moore is still a viable candidate is direct proof that 45 can never be impeached. There is far far far too much political support for the absolute worst elements of our culture to bring that man down via a political solution. It will require proof of a crime to remove 45 from office.

    • Beagle

      Unfortunately, no matter how much evidence is shown that Dump is a crook, too many people will reject the evidence and scream, “Fake news!”

  • Gene Perry

    Moore strangeness in Al

  • Baylee Peach

    Has anyone else noticed the similarity in the facial features of Roy Moore and his wife, Kayla? I would like to see the results of their DNA tests.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2114005c4bf74c22c2610ed459d3bd9af29b8f797dfedcfb3b6769c3c7cc3966.jpg

  • Just a guy

    Roy Moore the tragic wannabe cowboy!