Trump Condemns Virginia Rally Violence “On Many Sides,” Refuses To Denounce Murderous Nazis [VIDEO]

CBS News reports:

President Trump said he condemned hatred and bigotry on “many sides” in Charlottesville, Virginia, in remarks from New Jersey, his first since white nationalist group protests turned violent and resulted in at least one death on Saturday.

“We’re closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Virginia,” Mr. Trump said. “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence, on many sides.”

In his remarks, the president failed to mention the displays of white nationalism or Nazi symbols present in Charlottesville Saturday. “It’s been going on for a long time in our country,” Mr. Trump said of the hatred and bigotry in Charlottesville. “Not Donald Trump. Not Barack Obama. It’s been going on for a long, long time.”

  • I’m actually deflated. I don’t have a good response

  • Leo

    MSNBC seems to have mostly abandoned whataboutism the past 3 hours.

    Kind of refreshing.

    • Mickey Bitsko

      Agreed. Civil rights leader Cornell Brooks is preaching the word!

  • AtticusP
  • hoover2001

    Just another reminder that this man began his political career capitalizing on one of the worst racist lies in US political history.

    • another_steve

      That can’t be repeated too many times, hoover. America needs to remember.

      Birtherism was a way – an overt way – of saying, “Black people can’t be trusted. They lie. They lie about all sorts of things, including where they were born.”

    • Paul

      …not to mention that said lie is one that demonizes the fastest-growing minority demographics in the nation.

      • another_steve

        I believe that’s Hispanic peoples, not African Americans.

        • Paul

          He’s referring to the “Mexicans are drug dealers, thugs, and rapists” dog whistle from his inaugural campaign speech in 2015, no?

          • hoover2001

            Birtherism preceded the Mexican rapist comment but you are right to bring it up.

          • Paul

            Oh, I forgot about that one. When you said “began his political career,” I thought you were referring to the first day of his 2016 campaign.

          • another_steve

            Commentators often bring up the fact that Trump was one of the earliest and most vocal spewers of birtherism.

            One would think that that alone would have disqualified him from consideration for a position as important as President of the United States, but no.

          • SFBruce

            Compile a list of all the single things that make this tiny, little man unfit for the office dog catcher, and you have a very, very long list.

          • another_steve

            It’s unbelievable. Truly unbelievable.

            You would have thought that when those 12 or 13 women stepped forward with stories of how Trump sexually harassed them, that that would have ended his run for the presidency.

            It’s like a bad dream.

          • Cattleya1

            It’s like a bad acid trip which will last 4 years.

          • Beagle

            Starting with, somebody upthread pointed out that Dump started its political career with a terrible racist lie — and it was necessary to clarify WHICH terrible racist lie.

          • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

            Um…he got over 60 million votes. This is what we are as Americans. This is on us. Remember this as well. Marriage equality came to the USA via a Supreme Court decision…not by the good graces of the American people who marched into a voting booth by the millions to deny LGBT citizens their civil rights under the law.

          • another_steve

            There are plenty of good and decent people in America. A majority of Americans voted for Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump is not “what we are as Americans.”

            Here in Maryland, the good people of my state (a state, incidentally, that’s still recovering from its dysfunctional American Civil War history) stepped forward and in November 2012 voted by referendum in favor of marriage equality.

            I’m proud to live in a state that did that – years before the Obergefell Supreme Court decision.

          • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

            Thanks for reminding me. I’m overwhelmed by what’s going on in our country today. Sometimes I just can’t see straight.

          • FAEN

            Give that doggy a pat.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Was the fastest-growing up until the housing crisis. Even that is outdated. The fastest-growing demographic groups now are Asian-Americans and Mixed-Race.

        http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asians-remain-fastest-growing-us-group-pacific-islanders-mixed-race-n597711

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      He also began his business career practicing racist housing policies. We’ve known what he’s like for the last 40 years.

      • hoover2001

        Let’s also not forget when he called for the state sponsored lynching of the Central Park 5.

        • Todd20036

          Even after they were found not guilty

          • hoover2001

            Yep. He’s always been a sick, racist fuck. The apple doesn’t fall too far from the klan tree.

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      • JDS

        And his slum lord Father.

    • Uncle Mark
    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      Now, it’s three dead. SMFH…..

  • ceeenbee

    God damned, mother fucking bastard shitgibbon.

    Fuck you. Fuck your whole family.

  • MikeBx2

    “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

    She was wrong. It’s most of them, not half of them.

  • JWC

    of coursenot thatis his 30% fucking core base

  • Friday

    What a cowardly bigot and scumbag this Trump is.

  • Mickey Bitsko

    Drumpf: “Sad that both sides chose violence over having fun with our kids hunting wild animals while on safari.”

  • zhera
    • TimCA

      Down but not dead yet !!

      RESIST!!

      • zhera

        Sorry, but it looks pretty dead to me. If the pResident can’t even denounce terrorism against US citizens, there’s little left to say. His party won’t remove him because they’re as bad as he is.

        Of course, when something dies, something ELSE must take its place. That’s where resistance come into the picture!

        • TimCA

          Sorry zhera, but I will not accept this. Maybe proximity has blinded me to reality but I will NOT accept this as my country’s fate. It looked very bleak in your country after the ascendancy of Quisling too. The near future here will probably portend much worse things to come and we need to psychologically prepare for this but the good people in America, as in Norway, WILL eventually prevail!

          Cyber hugs and solidarity from Bonsall, CA

          • zhera

            I absolutely hope you’re right and I’m wrong. I do. And it’s good that you won’t let my doom and gloom deter you. If there’s still fight in you, then I hope you’ll find others to join you. Me, I’m completely deflated now.

            Just… what will it take to bring out the massive protests that last for days and days, forcing the government to change? What will it take?!?

    • Todd20036

      I’d put the date at 11/09/2016

  • Rebecca Gardner

    OT but MSNBC reporting is totally sucking ass all day. They are still reporting there were no tags on the car. FIDIOTS!

    https://twitter.com/BikerBecca/status/896462469568151552

    • safari

      Yup. Terrible.

    • Do Something Nice

      Crap, that photo is awful. I can see at least 3 victims.

    • Todd20036

      MSNBC has been a real let down. THAT is supposed to be left leaning media?

      • Paul

        I think CNN has supplanted MSNBC as the “liberal” cable news channel. MSNBC has moved considerably to the right in the past few months, yet CNN has drifted left.

        • Todd20036

          That’s because CNN’s “right” commentators self destructed.

          Like when Lord tweeted “sing Heil”

          • Paul

            I think Navarro is the only conservative commentator left. She’s to CNN what Scarborough was to MSNBC in the Obama days.

          • another_steve

            And that heavily mascara’ed shoplifter, what’s her name.

            Is she at it again?

            Is she in jail?

        • another_steve

          MSNBC still has some reliably progressive and honest news/commentary anchors – Joy Reid, Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O’Donnell foremost among them (Chris Hayes and Chris Matthews, if you can stand them) – but yes, there’s been a rightward drift in recent months.

          MSNBC’s owner is apparently trying to attract the few semi-moderate Republicans out there.

    • lenvus

      If you have the stomach, there is a video, showing not only the car hitting the victims, but then backing out and escaping. Horrible. Just horrible. I have no words. NOTE: Strong language and violent images (well, that last part didn’t need to be said)

      Video of car hitting anti-racist protestors. Let there be no confusion: this was deliberate terrorism. My prayers with victims. Stay home. pic.twitter.com/MUOZs71Pf4— Brennan Gilmore (@brennanmgilmore) August 12, 2017

  • DreadPikathulhu

    and it’s only going to get worse.

    • TimCA

      And we must recognize this if we are going to be able to successfully resist what’s coming next.

  • Lazycrockett

    I guess having a Nazi in the WH is better than a woman who was cozied up with Wall Street.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      and thats why im not a fan of ‘do something nice’

    • John30013

      I guess having a Nazi in the WH who is cozied up with Wall Street is better than a woman who was cozied up with Wall Street.

      FIFY

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    There was only one side that murdered a woman today : And Trump refuses to use the words to describe these murderers : ‘radical far right white supremacist terrorists’. Trump is a terrorist sympathiser.

    • Do Something Nice

      Trump logic: If those protesters didn’t hate racism…she’d still be alive. Or something.

  • Halou

    Someone is dead? Is that a result of the car attack or another part of the rally?

    • Leo

      The car attack. The driver’s been arrested.

      • JCF

        I don’t think an arrest’s been confirmed.

        • Tomcat

          I will believe my eye over poor journalism any day.
          Saw the picture.

  • Leo

    Trump’s EXPRESSION right before he said he was going to shake hands with the veterans though. I need a freeze frame. He literally smirked. I just…gasped.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Harveyrabbit

    Breaking news! Big shot wannabe Nazi won’t denounce other Nazis!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1afc07b4e9d3802935cf64e617f32e97a86ad629d0d160a7e9d6dc9ff15ea27e.jpg

    (Pretty sure that’s Roger Stone in black)

  • John

    What would you expect, he’s as racist as his father.

    • Mickey Bitsko

      Yep. Fred Trump was literally arrested during a rally not unlike today’s. A KKK anti-police rally I should add. (I suspect that had a lot to do with most NYC cops at the time being Irish Catholic, but I’ll have to go back to the NY Times article.)

  • Cuberly

    If I recall he said, “We must all cherish our history together.”

    That was a bone for the white nationalists, period.

    • Halou

      The country that “cherishes it’s history” in the way Trump and the KKK are thinking is the country that aggressively forces itself to return to what it was at some point in history. Existing as an unchanging monolithic sort of nation where culture is stagnant, innovation is discouraged and political change of any sort is resisted by the government and various plausible deniability proxies.

      • Mickey Bitsko

        Word!

    • TampaDink

      He was just testing that line out…since he plans to use it when he speaks next month on the anniversary of “the thousands of Muslims dancing in the streets of Jersey City when the towers came tumbling down”.

      • JWC

        He is such an Asshole

        • TampaDink

          Assholes have purpose…..him….not so much.

          • JWC

            True that

  • Bluto

    gee, mr fake president, I’m sorry for my rejection of nazis & affiliated scum. I should embrace hatred, bigotry, & racism to make murica great again.

  • Halou

    This is actually worse than the silence that followed the Portland train stabbing, this is blaming the victims of violence for the violence.

  • JCF

    Good Accurate headline, Joe.

  • TrueWords

    Let me take a moment and clarify something…

    This is NOT about a “white movement”…this is about a “straight white Nazi movement”

    This group wants NOTHING to do with you if you are the following:

    1. a gay white male who actually is sexually active (they like their gay males to be castrated) look at what happen to poor Milo and rightfully so

    2. a gay white female; I mean those women don’t want to sleep with us

    3. a white female; unless you are uneducated in many ways

    4. anything but “Christian”

    These “men” want to be as polarizing as possible and still say that they are for “all” whites but there are rules of engagement.

    These “men” are those who have TOO much time on their hands to spin their hate…only in America can a group of 21-35 year old white males spend their time and money spewing hate because they do not grasp the paradoxical irony of it which is they can do this because they are WHITE MALES!

    If these were Black or Hispanic men going around doing this EVERYONE from liberal to conservative would be yelling: GET A JOB!!!

  • The media is also complicit in this by giving the Nazis a platform as though their opinions are valid. When Clinton called his base deplorable, she was right but also immediately ripped for being “partisan” and “divisive” by the mainstream media. Then after the election it was all “well those against Trump are angry but look at these poor Trump supporters!!!” As if the anger on both sides are equal.

    This is the price of forced neutrality.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://twitter.com/ericdemamp/status/896454101185200128

    • Lizard

      Why would a counter-protester run into OTHER counter-protestors? The critical thinking is not strong with that one.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Yeah, she’s a bot or something. I just wanted the pic.

    • Halou

      He wasn’t shot and killed on the scene. Can’t imagine why.

      • coram nobis

        Wrong skin color?

    • Rebecca Gardner

      He is wearing a white shirt and khakies. Gee I wonder if he’s a Nazi.

      • Gustav2

        Damn, that’s half my work clothes!

        That’s the Ohio middle class white male uniform.

      • Halou

        I was just going to say, I remember some of the people in the rally were wearing remarkably similar clothing.

      • Do Something Nice

        That’s typical clothing for Muslim terrorists.

      • BobSF_94117

        You wanna live in a banana republic, you dress like Banana Republic…

    • SoCalGal20

      Oh. He’s wearing what all the fashionable Nazis are wearing this summer. Surprise.

      • Lizard

        Only they are arrogant enough to think they look good in khakis.

  • zhera

    ““Not Donald Trump. Not Barack Obama. It’s been going on for a long, long time.””

    Don’t blame me! I never meant for this to happen! I just wanted them to donate to my campaign and vote for me; Who could’ve predicted that they’d follow through on my words?

    -Donnie

    Sorry, Donnie. You buildt this. You and your nazi party. You found the seed, planted it, watered it, nurtured it with your constant stream of bullshit, and now it’s here: Full bloom, stinking mess. YOU OWN THIS!

  • I.Smith

    When he says, we condemn in the strongest possible terms, you can see his typical head tilt of when he is making things up.

    • Karl Dubhe

      His body language was revolting.

      The bastard needs to go.

      • TampaDink

        If I were a bad person I’d be tempted to expand upon your statement; The bastard needs to go….slowly, into a wood chipper…..feet first.

        • Todd20036

          Fargo?

          • TampaDink

            You betcha.

    • Chanel5

      It reminded me of a high school student giving a book report who doesn’t want to do it. There was no emotion.

      • Karl Dubhe

        Resentment is an emotion. He was as full of that, as he is of shit.

      • jerry

        Doesn’t want to, or didn’t actually read the book.

  • Harveyrabbit
    • Treant

      “Make a statement? I just fuck him contractually for money!”

    • Jonathan Smith

      that is WRONG. dumb ass plastic bitch should have been on the FRONT lines. “oh, i am sorry. from my $250,000 televisions, on my $300,000 couch……that just looked wrong”
      fuck her. fuck her whole family.

      • Mickey Bitsko

        I wouldn’t fuck her with her husband’s shriveled-up miniscule dick.

        • Jonathan Smith

          not for…..however much dRump “feels” like he is worth…..today.

    • Jim E.

      Look to the left, look to the right, and then to the alt-right.

    • Paul

      Our First Lady is a fucking mail-order trophy wife whom he’ll probably divorce when Barron goes off to college.

  • Jerry Kott

    T45 did a drive by and didn’t slow down to address the events of today with any seriousness other than to spin it back to him. The best description I have read for this movement of Hate is “Vanilla Isis”. Their MO is to instill terror when people take a stand.
    Coming to a neighbor hood near you.

    • Halou

      The term I personally use is Y’all Qaeda.

  • coram nobis

    More from an earlier speech, Mussolini, January 1925, announcing his crackdown:

    Fu alla fine di quel mese che è segnato profondamente nella mia vita, che io dissi: Voglio che ci sia la pace per il popolo italiano, e volevo stabilire la normalità della vita politica.

    Ma come si è risposto a questo mio principio? Prima di tutto con la secessione dell’Aventino, secessione anticostituzionale e nettamente rivoluzionaria. Poi con una campagna giornalistica durata nei mesi di giugno, luglio, agosto, campagna immonda e miserabile che ci ha disonorato per tre mesi. Le più fantastiche, le più raccapriccianti, le più macabre menzogne sono state affermate diffusamente su tutti i giornali.

    It was at the end of that month that is deeply marked in my life, which I said: I want peace for the Italian people, and I wanted to establish the normality of political life.

    But how did you respond to this principle? First and foremost with the secession of Aventine [an anti-fascist demonstration], an unconstitutional and clearly revolutionary secession. Then with a journalistic campaign lasting in June, July, August, an unclean and miserable campaign that dishonored us for three months. The most fantastic, the most gruesome, the most gruesome lies have been widely reported on all newspapers.

    https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Italia_-_3_gennaio_1925,_Discorso_sul_delitto_Matteotti

  • boobert

    He owns this! He’s losing normal republicans. ( is that an oxymoron?) All he has is the alt right. By not calling them out , he’s spreading the hatred.

    • jerry

      “…normal Republicans…” They may not share his views, but were complicit in looking the other way on everything, just so they could wield the power in DC. And the GOP has been spreading hatred for a long time, so even if they’re a so-called moderate Republican, they certainly didn’t speak up and denounce the hatred.

  • Treant

    25th the 45th.

    I’ve got a few other suggestions, but they’d get me in trouble.

  • coram nobis

    That vehicle didn’t come from “many sides.” It’s a known terrorist tactic and it had only one driver and came after only one side.

    • Mickey Bitsko

      “That was a great beautiful American car, made right here in his great beautiful country by great beautiful American workers.”

      • TampaDink

        Manufactured by a company that Twitler & his followers believe should have been allowed to fail. But the scary black man saved it…and GM.

        • Paula

          And her e-mails!!

          • TampaDink

            Mueller & his team had better get on that….no telling how many Russian operatives were requesting meetings with her staff to share damaging information on hair furor.

    • douglas
      • ZhyKitty

        He looks insane.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Mother of Christ. I wish I could be shocked, even by the pink wall (good god is that supposed to be his daughter’s room? has it reproduced?) but I’m not.

      • Strkr

        This is my complete lack of shock…

  • safari

    Why does MSNBC keep asking if the police could have done more?

    • Jonathan Smith

      because they are a bunch of FUCKERS?
      just sayin

    • Mickey Bitsko

      Because there was zero police presence before the “parade” got to the park.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Today the world is so weird. Fox is doing better coverage and condemning these Nazi fucks but MSNBC still has no idea what is going on.

    • JCF

      They’re calling it a terrorist lynching: how is that not what’s going on?

      • Jonathan Smith

        “lynching” sounds politer than MURDER.
        but, hey, they were only upity blacks, right?
        that makes it ok, right?

  • Michael R

    “Will I get along with him? I have no idea. It’s very possible I won’t.”

    O’Reilly said: “He’s a killer, though. Putin’s a killer.”

    “There are a lot of killers,” Trump replied. “We’ve got a lot of killers. What, do you think our country’s so innocent?”

    • Mickey Bitsko

      He definitely and I’m sure deliberately echoed his previous BS.

    • JCF

      Trump replied. “We’ve got a lot of killers.”

      Even *I* didn’t guess that was an aspiration.

      • Halou

        An instruction.

      • Max_1

        “I could stand on fifth avenue and shoot somebody and not lose one supporter…”

        • TampaDink

          He’d gain my support….if his victim was himself.

      • Bad Tom

        His friendship and admiration of Rodrigo Duterte makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it?

        • Jonathan Smith

          no. not really.

  • Max_1

    When will US Counterterrorism programs reach out to Christian communities and their houses of worship to open dialogues on where the local KKK and White Supremacists gather??? Why won’t US Counterterrorism do this???

    • Max_1
    • Hue-Man

      And why aren’t the leaders of those communities standing up and denouncing the KKK and the neo-nazis? Why aren’t members of those communities reporting the radicalized terrorists who are about to commit murder?

  • Leo

    Yamiche Alcindor (paraphrasing) on MSNBC:

    “I spoke to multiple white nationalists just after Trump’s speech. The deliberate omission of the direct mention of the words white nationalist was deliberate. It was absolutely deliberate. By kowtowing it shows he knows he has to tread lightly with them. They won today.”

    • Rob NYNY

      That and “cherish our history.” A veiled referent to the history of white supremacy.

  • Halou

    I propose a complete and total shutdown of all (Insert people group here) from coming into this country until we can figure out what is going on.

  • bkmn

    He is not my President.

    • Lizard

      I’m ashamed to be an American today.

      • Tomcat

        Today, I have been ashamed since Nov 8 2016.

        • Lizard

          More ashamed than usual.

        • Jonathan Smith

          no. today was the icing on the FUCKING cake

      • djcoastermark

        I too. What is it going to take to bring back this country ? Today is the final straw most sane countries will say they have lost all respect for the USA. Thanks t rump. (and his supporters)

      • I’ve been ashamed since November 9th and ESPECIALLY since January 20th.

  • another_steve

    “On many sides”?

    I think that’s dog-whistle talk for, “the liberals are as bigoted as we are.”

    • Cattleya1

      It is a tweet from a twit who believes he is important, relevant, and deserves 2 scoops after every meal. Would I be a really bad person for wishing that he should come down with bubonic plague?

    • John30013

      The right wing blogosphere & media industrial complex has, for several years now, been pushing the narrative that liberal groups (especially Black Lives Matter, but others as well) are the actual instigators of violence against the poor victimized innocent right wingers. Never mind that no liberal activist group has been associated with anyone who has actually harmed a real person—that’s only the radical right wing terrorists; they won’t let facts get in the way of a good story.

      And Trump, being an avid and uncritical consumer of such media outlets, believes it, too. Hence his stupid “many sides” comment.

      • another_steve

        The extremist right has latched on to self-victimization as a weapon. That’s what “the left are actually the bigots” is all about. Another example is the “religious liberty” scam.

        “We don’t want to impose anything on the homosexuals, but they want to take our religious liberty away from us.”

  • safari

    And he’s going to take a nap now
    https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/896465537575911426

  • Cuberly

    Not sure if this is true but they say they have the driver of the car in custody.

    https://twitter.com/LPDah/status/896466324758577152

    • JCF

      Hope so!

    • Lizard

      There’s a photo of an arrest with a silver Charger and matching plates. Could be photoshop, but it’s a Snapchat so I doubt it.

  • justme

    Sure Donnie.. You’ll never condemn anyone that kisses you tangerine Asp!!

    • JCF

      Heh, I wish “tangerine” WOULD get bitten by an Asp!

      • Moebym Reborn

        Or a nice, big wasps’ nest.

  • Professor Barnhardt

    That lying sack of dogshit.

  • Lazycrockett

    So dinner tonight is Steak, fresh grilled corn on the cob, sliced tomatoes and yeast rolls, who wants some??

    • Gustav2

      I hear you deliver…

      • Jonathan Smith

        deliver my ass. on my way.
        can i bring the puppy?

        • Gustav2

          Hubby out of town, hasn’t called to say he is on his way, have 90 minutes. I don’t think I can make it there and back in time.

        • JCF

          Bring your puppy to me! We’re having leftovers (chicken, corn, couscous, fresh veggies), but we’ll make it stretch…

    • djcoastermark

      I have/had a romantic dinner planned for tonight with hubs, but the thought of food right now isn’t sitting well.

      • Lazycrockett

        Gonna need your strength.

    • TuuxKabin

      Just whipped up a jalapeno ‘inflamed’ tatty salad as a side if you’d like. Can Pete join the table?

      • Lazycrockett

        Come one come all.

  • Max_1
  • Tomcat

    Our government sucks ON MANY SIDES!

  • Gerry Fisher

    I haven’t seen America tested like this in my lifetime (I was only 2 years old when JFK was assassinated). Nixon (Watergate and Vietnam) was not as bad as this, IMO. If we survive and resemble what we once were, it will be no thanks to this despicable, hollow, cowardly Man-Baby.

    • Karl Dubhe

      No. This is what would have happened if Benedict Arnold had been elected president…

      The world’s going to be totally, and very badly, fucked.

      • Jonathan Smith

        bad news Karl. it already is.

      • Ernest Endevor

        Or Al Gore.

    • stevenj

      This is a repeat of the 1960’s. If you were born in 1961 you were alive when America was tested over civil rights for African Americans. Selma, Watts, Detroit and 3 progressive leaders assassinated.

      • Gerry Fisher

        I was born in ’61. Sorry, but I think the idea that Slema, Watts, and Detroit were formative experiences for me is ridiculous (too young). I *do* remember the moonwalk making a big impression on me. I remember the Beatles breaking up. I was fully conscious in the early to mid 70s (ages 9 through 15), so Watergate, the final years of the Nixon administration, and Nixon’s resignation are clear to me from personal experience.

        I became aware of Kent State, the murdered civil rights workers in Mississippi, the ’68 Democratic convention, the assassinations of the major political leaders of the 60s, the Manson family murders, Altamont, and more once I was able to see documentaries and read about the incidents after the fact. For example, I recall a TV documentary about the slain civil rights workers in Mississippi…if my faint memory is serving me correctly, it starred Wayne Rogers from MASH. As another example, I remember reading a book about Kent State and giving a book report in, ohhhh, ’78 or so, and I remember thinking that I was reporting on an event that happened a looooong time ago. 😉 My sense of time has changed since then.

        • Ernest Endevor

          If you were born in ’61 the you couldn’t have a real memory of the ’60s. I was 17 in 1967 in NYC and remember the time all too well. Then we had the race riots of the 70s. We’ve lived through shit before.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          I was born and raised in and at the border of Detroit in 1967. We grew up with the memory of those riots. The argument has been made that they are still there.

          Memory and chronology are not always tied.

    • Do Something Nice

      1968 was like this. Globally, not just in the US. A lot of the mayhem was kept secret, like when the President of Mexico had hundreds of students and clergy murdered just before the Olympics. A lot was in the public eye – the killings of RFK and MLK, the Democratic Convention in Chicago, etc,

      https://www.theguardian.com/observer/gallery/2008/jan/17/1

      • JCF

        I don’t remember most of it (age 6). Just RFK’s assassination.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Note: 1968 was at the tail end of the events of 1967. Think Detroit in July.

    • Tulle Christensen

      I was 5 when JFK was assassinated. I ask you do you remember Kent State? The 1968 Dem convention in Chicago? The riots and looting in the cities?

      It was not all MLK peaceful marches,

      Overall things were pretty bad and I would say as bad as they are now, at least this thought gives me hope we will get through this

      • Jonathan Smith

        we should NOT have to break out the guns and cars, 50 years after civil rights to fight for OUR DAMN RIGHTS.

      • JCF

        I don’t remember Kent State, the day it happened. I DO remember the Newsweek magazine that came out after it happened. Blood in the streets, that runaway girl assuming the Pieta’ position. It traumatized 8 yo me.

      • Gerry Fisher

        The primary difference between then and now is that our political system, our judicial system, and the free press were more intact, respected, and functional than they are today. It’s this nonsense happening in the context of a severely attacked and weakened system that makes it unique, IMO. (I’m under no illusion that the 60s were all “peace marches.”)

    • Ernest Endevor

      The 1910s were very bad. McCarthy’s time was very bad. I would suggest that the height of Vietnam was as bad – that time we had a sane, if corrupt and amoral, Republican party. Today we have cable news and the internet blasting everything non-stop.

  • Halou

    After thanking the Russians for imposing sanctions on the US embassy in Moscow, Trump gets a shovel and starts digging.

  • Nic Peterson

    DJT = Failure as a human being.

  • Tomcat

    Wonder if MSNBC will get up to the rest of the story by morning?

    • Jonathan Smith

      no. they wont. Rachel is not on tonight.

      • Tomcat

        NO Rachael, No truth!

        • Jonathan Smith

          well, we have Joe and Mika. oh, who the hell am i trying to fool?

          • Gustav2

            We will have JOY in the morning.

          • Jonathan Smith

            unless we are making Marmosia’s, no……..i don’t see that

    • SoCalGal20

      Joy will get everybody caught up tomorrow morning. That will be Must See TV. Why is MSNBC’s regular news department so shitty? And I’m not even talking about the bothsiderism at times, and questionable or just weak commentary but getting facts from this news team is like fucking molasses. The evening team would have been all over this shit.

  • MT YVR

    The only thing I want to see now is a reporter to get a question in to Trump.

    “So I understand this is incredibly distracting, I want to get back to the more important questions, President Trump. When you’re behind closed doors do you refer to the Obamas and the people now in hospital as ‘uppity n–s’ or ‘fucking n–s’?”

    He’s made it blindingly clear now, in public, that’s pretty much how he views the world.

    • UrsusArctos

      His dad was in the KKK, and together they were sued/penalized for housing discrimination violations. There was NEVER any question of his opinion of PoC. Anyone who’s surprised shouldn’t be allowed sharp objects or to vote.

  • Lazycrockett

    If Mark Roberts calls this an accident one more time Im gonna……………..

  • Rebecca Gardner

    RWNJ Conspiracy spin is already in full gear.

    https://twitter.com/WayneRoot/status/896465413466243072

    • Lazycrockett

      Get Bent.

    • Lizard

      He hasn’t met very many conservatives, then. Also the classic “I’ve never seen it so it doesn’t happen” fallacy.

      Alex Jones is already claiming it’s a setup to ban conservative meetups.

    • Mickey Bitsko

      Moron. Jews don’t drive on the Sabbath.

      /supersnark

    • Hank

      Did he not see ANY of Hair Drumpf’s gatherings before the election?? Their was violence and stirring the pot by him galore!!!

    • Halou

      My four letter C word wont get through the comment filter.

    • Halou
    • greenmanTN

      “Fake News” or “Paid By Soros.” It’s like a Magic 8 Ball with only two answers.

      • Lizard

        Two-sided die?

      • Halou

        They think about George Soros more than they do their own wives.

        • Ginger Snap

          And butt sex don’t forget how much they think about gay butt sex.

    • Michael R

      I’ve seen comments that the driver was trying to escape thugs .

      The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common :
      They don’t alter their views to fit the facts.
      They alter the facts to fit their views.

  • Refugay
    • m_lp_ql_m

      Where in Oakland?

      • Refugay

        Downtown-Joyce Gordon Gallery on 14th St. Was out walking with the hubby and our dog. We love being a part of the diversity that is Oakland-it always inspires me and makes me proud. There are plenty of problems here, like everywhere, but our diversity is our strength and I often think that this is what scares the shit out of the nazis-diverse communities that celebrate differences is what gives them nightmares.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    ‘many sides’ : Meaning that Trump thinks that racists, murderers, and Nazis are the same as the people who oppose them. This is how sick and twisted this terrorist sympathiser is.

  • greenmanTN

    One side is denouncing blacks gays immigrants Muslims and Jews and the other side is standing up to them. Yep, totally equal in my book! /s

    JFC what happened to this country in under a year?

  • Rebecca Gardner
  • safari

    This MSNBC host needs to go

    • Tomcat

      His only mission is to get back to the commercials it seems.
      Facts mean nothing, don’t need them don’t want them.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      He sucks. I couldn’t take their awful reporting anymore. I am actually watching FOX News. Their reporting and their condemnation of these Nazis is pretty awesome.

  • Michael R

    George Washington: I cannot tell a lie.
    Richard NIxon : I cannot tell the truth ,
    Donald Trump: I cannot tell the difference

  • Leo

    Wow. A Fox News anchor just said “this looks like a domestic terrorist attack from a white nationalist.”

    • Gustav2

      Wow.

    • Lazycrockett

      Guess s/he will be shown the door later tonight.

    • SoCalGal20

      Is Shep working on the werkend? Are they auditioning for a job at MSNBC?

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    New: Hillary Clinton Reacts to Charlottesville Violence: ‘Now Is the Time for Leaders to be Strong’
    http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/hillary-clinton-charlottesville-reaction-white-supremacists-twitter/

    • JCF

      Now is the time for the President to BE HILLARY. >:-(

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Also includes a response from Jeb!

        The white supremacists and their bigotry do not represent our great country. All Americans should condemn this vile hatred. #Charlottesville

        4:05 PM – Aug 12, 2017

  • Rebecca Gardner

    OMG! A witness being interviewed said that as the car was backing out there where other white nationalist terrorists directing the driver of the car where to go.

    This was planned, coordinated, terrorism! I hope the fucking driver ends up in ADX Florence for the rest of his life. Right next to the other terrorists.

    • Paula

      Maybe he and the Unibomber can get a chess club going.
      That place is isolated.

  • geoffalnutt

    Why is anyone even remotely surprised? We’ve known about him for years and years. His father was a fanatical racist…and raised one.

  • The White House keeps digging the “both sides are violent” hole.

    https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/896468842645516288

    It should be noted the counter-protesters have not been violent.

  • Mickey Bitsko

    Trump: “We should have true affection for one another.”

    He’s certainly succeeded in getting us to fuck each other, if that’s what he means.

    • TampaDink

      While he & his administration are busy fucking the entire human race.

  • Professor Barnhardt

    Now moving forward and chanting, “we’re here, we’re gay, we fight the KKK”

    https://twitter.com/esilverman11/status/896380044255395840

  • JWC

    A line has just been drawn what will Trump do or has he already ” locked and loaded”

    • TampaDink

      He can only think of a couple of options. Have someone fire Robert Mueller and/or nuke N. Korea.

      • JWC

        Sure keeps the discussion off Russia

        • TampaDink

          I think that he feels the pressure of being under investigation & will stop at nothing to kill the “witch hunt”.

          • JWC

            He is painting himself into a corner by alienating everyone around I think that he thinks his Ace in Hole is that fact that he can pardon himself

          • TampaDink

            He deserves the paint fumes.

          • JWC

            s you are now where in FLA?

          • TampaDink

            I’m in Tallahassee.

          • JWC

            Lassie

          • TampaDink

            Sure….although I prefer Laddies.

          • JWC

            hehehGotcha How’s all on the homefront with J and Sam

          • TampaDink

            They seem to be adjusting to life without me again.
            I’m working on wearing Jeff down, to consider coming up for a few days at some point in the next month. His parents live about 35 miles north of here (in Thomasville, GA) and I know that they’d love to see him.

          • JWC

            How is Sam at travelling in the car?

          • TampaDink

            Therein lies the rub…..he is prone to motion sickness….but after our last trip up here with him, our vet suggested giving him a Dramamine.

          • JWC

            ya and thats a bit of a drive to be a tad zoned out

          • TampaDink

            Jeff would prefer to be zoned out as well. He has an “iffy” back…and hates to drive…so *if* I can con him into coming up, I’ll probably have to go get him.

          • JWC

            that would be an allday times 2 drive but worth it

          • TampaDink

            I’d probably take Pebbles (my dog/niece) with me, & stay overnight before driving back up….since the drive takes about
            4.5 hours each way

          • JWC

            sort of to the end of your stay so you can go back together?

          • TampaDink

            That would be ideal….it would also allow him to see Dan & Lesley when they get home.

          • JWC

            2 boids mit Von schtone

          • TampaDink

            Ja! (my german is limited!)

          • JWC

            That wasn’t German maybe a try at Platt Deutche any way back to binging on “White Collar”

          • TampaDink

            When I read “mit” that sounded vaguely familiar as the German word for with….and schtone sounded like it could’ve been a German stone. Anyhoo…..have a good night!

          • JWC

            2 birds with one stone

          • TampaDink

            That’s what I thought.

          • JWC

            Now white collar

          • TampaDink

            Enjoy

          • JWC

            We shall you too its a fun series

        • Gianni

          Donnie with latch onto anything that moves the news away from talk of the Russia connection/investigation.

  • Professor Barnhardt
  • Taylor Bixler

    MSNBC reporting the driver is in custody.

    • Tomcat

      Nice to be last ones to report on it.

    • Gustav2

      They can’t verify, I wonder if he is at an undisclosed location.

      • Tomcat

        MSNBC acts like they think this is some kind of trick to get them to report fake news.

        • Tomcat

          MSBNC, we only report what other networks have reported.

        • Gustav2

          They have been really cautious all day. I wonder if those above have given them some orders. {ahem}

  • JCF

    VA State AG has repudiated Drumpf: Violence “NOT from ‘many sides’, from WHITE SUPREMACISTS.”!

    {applause}

    I’m off to the gym, my peeps. Got to work off some nervous energy. Stay strong…

    • FAEN

      Have a good workout matey.

      • JCF

        Thanks, I did! [But the ice pack on my hip says “Shit, I hope I didn’t overdo it”]

        • FAEN

          Oy! That’s not good. Did you stretch?

          • JCF

            I confess: I’m not usually a stretcher (I am, however, a cardio-firster. I figure that gets me warmed/loosened up). Hip pain has subsided…now it’s just the *usual* lower-back pain! ;-S [I’ll be OK.]

    • Lizard

      That’s a much healthier decision than the one I made. *chugs*

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Points to you.

      Whiskey is my choice for the day (hour, nanosecond.)

    • Todd20036

      Wish I could, but I’ve been sick all week

    • JCF

      Wow, 26 upvotes: I need to go to the gym more often! [No seriously, I *do* need to go more often. It’s really only once—maybe twice—a week. Since I’m not walking dogs anymore (they moved away 🙁 ), me needs more exercise. Gotta stay healthy, if I’m going to “outlive the bastards”—esp. since Drumpf STILL want to take my healthcare away…]

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Oh honey, twice a week but not “often enough”?

        You left me in the dust at one. Twice? Um, never.

        • JCF

          If you saw me (esp in profile: oy vey, the muffin top!), you might not say that…

      • Todd20036

        Try going 4 times. 2 light days, 2 heavier ones.

        • JCF

          That would be ideal.

  • canoebum

    We know Fred Trump was an activist with the KKK, but does anyone know if he was in the Bund as well?

    • UrsusArctos

      Odds are Grandpa, Friedrich was. It was good for business.

  • safari

    MSNBC said terrorist.

    • Gustav2

      The VA AG said it…so they can now.

  • Michael R

    Trump alone can fix this

    “I have a message for all of you: The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20, 2017, safety will be restored,” Trump said in his speech formally accepting the Republican nomination for president.

    • Gianni

      Donnie found out that he had packed too many promises into Day 1 of his presidency so now some of it has had to slide away to be taken care of at some later date. He’ll let us know in about 2 weeks.

  • margaretpoa

    Waiting for FOX “News” and Rush Limbaugh to tell us that those people in the street were clearly egging on the driver because they were being disrespectful toward him by having their backs turned when he attacked. Victim blaming in 5…4…3…

    Just watch

    • djcoastermark

      Alex jones has already started and others that I do not care to know of too.

    • Cuberly

      Per a comment from a fellow JMGer I watched a little Fox. Um, shockingly they’re calling the rally a sham. Having nothing to do with removal of the statue and basically serving as cover for inciting violence on their own behalf.

      • jimbo65

        You watched more of the coverage than I did. Unfuckingbelievable, but really not, that they would try to spin it that way. All I can say is what many here have said, I feel deflated.

        Edit to say, sorry I misunderstood. Apparently from other comments, Fox is apparently being somewhat fair and balanced for once?

        • Cuberly

          Dare I say it, for the short time I watched it they were doing a good job.

      • jimbo65

        Oh wait. I’m misunderstanding what you said. That they are actually covering this as it is? An excuse for a hate rally? Sorry , I’m away from tv to confirm and it’s been a long day already.

        • Cuberly

          Yeah, for the short time I watched it they were covering it for what it was. They were even critical of Donnie’s soft-peddled response.

          I had to change channels though, it was creeping me out.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      I gave up on MSNBC’s horrible coverage and have been watching Fox. Their coverage has been awesome and every host and every guest is ripping the white nationalists as terrorists and they don’t understand why more have not been arrested. They are even critical of Trump’s speech.

      • UrsusArctos

        o.O

  • FAEN

    “On many sides” my ass.

  • Gigi

    Maybe Trump can get the “top cop” he met who was gonna fix Chicago (but didn’t…odd) to help him fix Charlottesville.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Let’s also not forget that running over protestors is an idea encouraged by republicans.

    ‘Shocking’: North Dakota Republicans Want to Legalize Running Over Protesters
    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/01/16/shocking-north-dakota-republicans-want-legalize-running-over-protesters

    • Gigi

      They make me sick to my stomach!

    • djcoastermark

      I still remember hearing of that with shock and disbelief. Now we see that even without that law, the bigots have already embraced that ideology.

    • Max_1

      ISIS recommends it…

  • Pat Padrnos

    People need to STOP dealing with Trump as if he is sane. He is not. There is no way he can even comprehend what is going on or the damage he is doing. Give it up. He is the sickest of the sick.

    • djcoastermark

      The 10 million dollar question though, is how and how fast can he be removed ?

      • Pat Padrnos

        I wish I had an answer. The Repubs are going to stick with him – even though he may verbally humiliate them on a daily basis – because there are things they want to get through Congress. They have no morals and it this point are unable to even look at their faces in their bathroom mirrors. Maybe they use battery operated shavers that take care of their daily stubble while driving.
        I think things are going to have to deteriorate to such a frightening level – that none of us ever foresaw – before the larger populace will finally say – “OK. This is enough!!”. No matter at that point what the David Duke/Nazi types might say – this insanity has gone on waaaay toooo long.

        • Paul

          They’re too idiotic to see that their agenda has a MUCH better shot at getting through under a President Pence than under a President Trump!

    • Paul

      I honestly think only Biden or Franken can beat Trump in 2020. They speak his “language.” Biden was always perceived as “clownish” and Franken was a comedian for years. I don’t see anyone else that can engage Trump on his own idiotic level.

      • Pat Padrnos

        OK You have a good point. Rational info does not work with Trump. The only thing that “clicks” with him is something in that tiny spot in his brain that can comprehend something he can relate to.
        By the way – I admire both of these men. Love them both for their intelligence and sense of humor. God knows we have a need to laugh right now!!

        • Paul

          I mean, someone like Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, etc. would be ideal for the Democratic base that’s been trending further left since John Kerry 2004. However, they’re far too rational and intellectual for the rubes that comprise Trump’s base.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Has the driver been id’d yet?

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Arrested, but no name yet.

      • Jonathan Smith

        Fucknuts McFucknuts?
        “I’m Whiter than you guys?”
        “Don’t drop the soap. PLEASE, DON’T drop the soap”?

        Please…..drop the fucking soap.

    • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

      The CNN eye witnesses just described him as a white male. The car had tinted windows

      • Rebecca Gardner

        White male wearing a white polo shirt and khakis. Hmm…Who was dressing like that?

        • Jonathan Smith

          me. every day at work?
          just sayin………….

          • Acronym Jim

            IT guy?

          • Jonathan Smith

            worse. office manager.

        • boobert

          They got that look from the gays, only they’re too stupid to know it. Back in the day, my best “gonna get laid” outfit was a peach polo shirt and painters pants, lol.

      • Bj Lincoln

        Not surprised

  • Gustav2

    JOY REID SPECIAL REPORT AT 7 TONIGHT ON MSNBC

    • Joe in PA

      Thanks.

      • Gustav2

        She works too much!

        • jimbo65

          She’s the hardest working person on that channel and they still won’t give her her own prime time show.

          • Lazycrockett

            I’m sure Chris Hayes is a bit nervous.

        • Joe in PA

          Nah. 🙂 Did you watch it? I couldn’t unfortunately. It’ll be interesting to see what she has today now that there has been some time elapsed.

          • Gustav2

            It was subdued and not as pissed off as I was.

    • djcoastermark

      Thanks. Will be tuning in for that.

  • I hope Canucks watching this take every effort in their hands to crush white supremacists in their country. Don’t let it fester to this point like US, because I heard our Nazi garbage are trying to start up in parts of Canada too.

    • Paul

      Canadian alt-right makes American alt-right look like civil rights marchers, at least from what I’ve seen in the Twitterverse.

  • Plutonius

    Be sure to remind every Republican you know that they bear some measure of responsibility for the violence and death in Charlottesville.

    And that the blood on their hands will never wash off.

    (I lived there for over 20 years, this is personal.)

  • Pip

    Fuck that fucking fuck. So tired of his shit.

    Sorry, just so angry that he continues to prove us right.

  • lymis

    Someone should tell Donald that Russia fought the Nazis.

    Maybe then he’ll denounce them.

    • Hank

      Surely you jest! /s

    • Cattleya1

      No – his daddy was a NAZI sympathizer. He has been inculcated from the get go.

  • bkmn

    I will not be surprised if Sessions finds a way to charge the protesters that were run down by that car.

    • Jonathan Smith

      standing in the way while black?

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Silly! Sessions will tell you: Blacks don’t just “stand” there– they’re plotting their next move.

        • safari

          Loitering

          • m_lp_ql_m

            Breathing. While claiming to be entitled to air.

          • William

            Loitering with intent.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Hanwi

    I’m asking not to stir turds I asking because I haven’t heard yet, do we know definitively that the driver was on the white supremacists side?

    • Gustav2

      Ohio plates on a Charger, white guy in white shirt and khakis.

      You do the math.

      • Hanwi

        I prefer to have facts not assumptions.

        • Gustav2

          We are still waiting, we just have the suspicions.

          • Hanwi

            Thank you, wasn’t sure if there was finite word yet. I would assume along with you that they were on the supremacists side but we’ve seen weird things in the past where they turned out to be not as they seem.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            I thought I saw a clip of a someone noting a rock was thrown toward the car and then he sped up.

            Standing his ground will be said if that is accurate. Predict it now.

          • Hanwi

            The rock thrower should be prosecuted as well.

          • SoCalGal20

            I also heard that people started throwing things at the car as he started to speed down the road and hitting people before he hit the cars.

          • Paul

            Yet in one video the protestors are calmly walking past another car driving through slowly. Said car is one of the 2 rear ended by the terrorist.

          • Gustav2

            If it was his car, he should not have been allowed to drive it in Ohio with no front plates and the front windows as dark as they were. Brother-in-law almost had his car impounded with dark front windows by the state highway patrol.

          • Hanwi

            Not all states require a front plate, not sure about Ohio on that.

          • Gustav2

            Ohioan here, yes you need a front plate.

          • Hanwi

            Gotchya, apologies, I misread your previous post, thx.

          • Gustav2

            No worries.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            I all but got impounded at Customs last week for coming back to the US when I had a passport stolen 30 years ago– even though I had come back to the States about two dozen times since then.

            There’s “law and order” and then there’s “Trump law and order.”

          • djcoastermark

            I’m all for law and order( who isn’t ?) It is the t rump and republican versions that scare the crap outta me.

          • Hanwi
          • Gustav2

            As an Ohioan, I would have predicted the Toledo area.

      • boobert

        I’m a car guy, it was a Challenger, despite what they reported. A lot of cruising cars hide their front plates because it ruins the front look. I keep mine in the car and if I get stopped I tell them I need to get a bracket.

        • Hank

          Whatever it was, it was used as a LETHAL WEAPON!!! as an Act of Terrorism!!!
          And who ever was involved, directly and indirectly, deserve the Maximum Punishment, that the law allows!!!

          • boobert

            No argument here .

          • Hanwi

            The person who threw a rock at the car that started this chain reaction is culpable as well.

        • Gustav2

          My Chrysler accountant uncle would have my hide!

          • boobert

            I could tell most car models by the time I was 3 ,lol.

          • Gustav2

            Yeah, that came with the territory of family members in Detroit working for Chevrolet (grandfather), Packard, then Chryslter (uncle) and we 3 have the same names. I stopped caring as much years ago, but knew every model as a kid.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            I was always envious of people who could do that. Never drove a car. Never learned a model.

          • E.J.

            The Challenger is 2 door, the Charger (new model) is a 4 door. From the front or back they look almost identical.

        • djcoastermark

          Um, if the driver was so concerned with the looks of his car, I don’t even need to finish that sentence. Some cars may be “pretty” but a mass produced item that will be in the junkyard in a few years….

    • Cuberly

      Situation appears to be evolving. No definitive info as to who the driver was has been released, as far as I’m aware.

  • JT
    • djcoastermark

      If only dreams came true. Love it though. It’s the thought that counts humor that works for me.

  • Lazycrockett

    Mark Roberts is being stupid as fuck today.

  • “Nice people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than “politics.” They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away. You know who weren’t nice people? Resisters.” – this is why cannot be nice to Nazis or treat them as valid opinions

  • Mickey Bitsko

    A host on MSNBC just said Trump, in regards to the white supremacist “ralliers,” should call a spade a spade.

    I’m sure he uses that word off-camera all the time.

  • safari
    • Agree completely with the “never portray Nazis as peaceful” sentiment, but not the “they have no rights” one.

      Even the most horrific mass murderer is supposed to have rights under the Constitution, including right to a speedy trial, the right to be tried before a jury of peers, and the right to appeal.

      It infuriates me whenever anyone says someone else “has no rights” based solely on what they’ve been accused or suspected of doing, but have not been tried for the crime.

      • Do Something Nice

        Huey Long once said that when fascism comes to America, it will be called anti-fascism.

        • And when Lewis remarked on it, he said fascism in America will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

      • the ACLU defends american nazis who peacefully march for a reason. and we should not forget why. it affects us just as much as them.

  • mikeinftl

    This man is so unprepared to be president of this country.

  • NZArtist

    There was a time when I liked America. I toured many of the states, I had many friends there. I was employed by American companies and lived there for months.
    But I’m really never going to go back now. I dont like it any more. It’s not the country I knew a couple of decades ago.
    It’s a shame, really. America is a country with such a fantastic future behind it.

    • There are those of us here in America, who’ve lived here most of our lives, who would just as soon leave. In my truly ideal world, it’d be New Zealand or perhaps Australia.

      Lacking the means to move so far though, Canada is still very much on our hoped-for list, if things work out. (Which, so far, they haven’t.)

      • Tasmania. ever since i saw that movie about the last tasmanian devil, i’ve wanted to move there. fuck this USA.

      • Paul

        Auckland was just rated as the best city to live in. Followed by Edinburgh, although you may get fed up with the tourists in August. 😉

    • Gustav2

      We have this acidic reflux every 100 years or so.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u1QARlCph0

    • greenmanTN

      It’s the same place you visited and lived. Believe me, we are just as shocked as you are and we don’t know how this happened and many are afraid. But I don’t blame you. I wouldn’t want to visit here either.

      https://pics.me.me/why-dont-you-pray-just-in-case-there-is-a-15747320.png

    • SoCalGal20

      Sorry you feel that way but completely understandable. If the west coast secedes maybe you can come for a visit then. 🙂

  • Barry William Teske

    This is what happens when a producer hires within the family.
    There tends to be a battle of wits on who is actually directing things. Some want to go with the old ways, the old values while others insist on taking no prisoners. What wins out overall is an over reaching need to be noticed instead of credit given where credit due.
    I give this latest movie of the week no stars because really, where is the star power when you need it?

  • ohbear1957

    From Politico 6/23/17. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/23/playbook-dhs-extremism-life-after-hate-239889
    “The Department of Homeland Security is restarting a stalled
    $10-million grant program for “Countering Violent Extremism” this
    morning. Life After Hate, a group dedicated to deradicalizing neo-Nazis
    and stopping white extremism, was slated to get $400,000 in the final
    days of the Obama administration (http://bit.ly/2sxsh6x)
    before the program was halted for review, but the Trump administration
    dropped them from the new grant list that’s getting announced today.”

    Nevertheless, it will be Obama’s fault.

  • safari
    • safari

      Re-tweeted by Ben Jacobs, which is why I post it.

    • Leo

      :/

    • Mickey Bitsko

      self-deleted for crassness

  • Cuberly

    CNN is interviewing witnesses to the car incident that said they noticed the car parked at the end of the street and thought it odd. Then the car revved up and plowed into the people, they gave chase to the car when it fled the scene, took pics of the car and notified police near the scene what happened. The police then took off after the car.

    This sounds like premeditation.

    • It likely was.

      • Cuberly

        Obviously the situation is evolving but, yep.

    • John30013

      My question is why the police allowed the vehicle to be there in the first place. Could they not foresee this possibility?

  • boobert

    It’s not hard to figure how this will go when the driver is caught. He’ll say something was thrown and he panicked and hit the gas by mistake. When the crowd turned on him he wanted to get safely away so he could turn himself in. Be prepared for a truckload of bullshit.

    • Do Something Nice

      I’m guessing that Trump made a deal with the governor who will make a deal with the driver: He says that his is ‘a liberal’ and gets sent to a country-club prison.

      • Hank

        Gov. Terry McAullif is a Clinton and Obama Democrat. I doubt, that it will go down that way. Also, VA has the Death Penalty…

  • another_steve

    Is Joe gonna end his blogging day on the Horror? Can’t we talk dirty now or something?

    Maybe dirty pictures?

    • djcoastermark

      Still waaayyy too much going on. Maybe, maybe later. It’s going to be a long day.

      • another_steve

        I swear to Almighty Zeus that this is true:

        About four or five hours ago, I decided I was spending too much time on this blog – so I put on my garden outfit and went outdoors to work. An hour later, having apparently disturbed a bee nest, I got stung multiple times. The stings on my left earlobe and my abdomen still hurt bad as I type this.

        So my husband freaks out and is ready to call emergency services – so not only am I in agony when it happens but I have an hysterical spouse to deal with.

        I’m ready for some comic relief, damn it.

        • djcoastermark

          The bees found you sweet as honey ? groan. Ok sorry. Try some homemade remedies for the stings. Toothpaste, wet aspirin tablets or even meat tenderizer. Meat tenderizer works well unless of course you have plans for later…..

    • Gustav2

      He may have to set up a new thread at 7 when Joy-Ann Reid is doing her special on MSNBC

      • another_steve

        7 pm on a Saturday? That’s Dead Zone time.

        Girl deserves better.

        • Gustav2

          She is doing a special on today’s events.

    • Max_1
      • greenmanTN

        Woof! 😉

        • another_steve

          Lol.

          I know the sense of desperation, hon. 😉

  • stanhope

    President Trump, please send Omarosa who just this past week at NABJ said she was on the front lines…….I will personally promise to post bail for the driver of the car that plowed through the crowd if you do send Omarosa. I’ll even spring for a couple of gallons of gas.

  • stanhope

    the only wall Trump needs to build is one around the white house to keep him inside

  • stanhope

    On another note, have you noticed the subtle rise of Thomas Roberts on NBC? He’s been quite good and hopefully the brass will slot him in America’s next top bottom to white men everywhere’s show…Donna Lemon.

    • Paul

      Roberts is most definitely among the “top” bottoms. Removing the word “top” of course. 😀

      • djcoastermark

        okay, I could get into, I’ll just stop now.

        • Paul

          Sorry.

  • Cuberly

    So have they interviewed Richard Spencer yet?

    • safari

      Last I knew he was blaming the police.

      • Gustav2

        Pshaw!

      • Mickey Bitsko

        But that’s our line!

      • Cuberly

        Ha!

        Well, he’s officially graduated from a punch a nazi meme to inciting a deadly attack.

    • safari

      From The Guardian:

      One of the speakers, Richard Spencer, an “alt-right” activist, said he had been maced on the way into the park and lashed out at police and city authorities. “Never in my life have I felt like the government was cracking down on me until today,” said Spencer, who was flush faced. “We came in peace and we were effectively thrown to the wolves.”

      He said that “militarized police”, whom he compared to “stormtroopers”, “did not protect us, they funneled us towards the antifa … I am a citizen of the USA,” he continued. “I have rights under our constitution.”

      He left the park soon after with a security detail.

      • Paul

        GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE…I wonder WHO ELSE has been trying to drive this point home for the past 5 years…

      • Gustav2

        What BS. He was funneled to a fenced off area separating them.

      • Mickey Bitsko

        “Never in my life have I felt like the government was cracking down on me until today”

        So he’s admitting Trump is far worse than Obama?

      • Cuberly

        They keep showing that video from the anti-fa side. Every second or so a bottle flies into the anti-fa crowd. Considerably more than what’s being thrown at the nazis. Then there’s those bats and the mace the nazis brought, in peace of course. (eyeroll)

        Just an observation.

        • Hank

          A “Peaceful Nazi/White Supremacist”, what an oxymoron!!!

      • jimbo65

        Who is he kidding? From what I saw the damn police weren’t lifting a finger to protect the counter protesters early on.

      • UrsusArctos

        Nazi calling out stormtroopers? Herr Goebbels must be laughing his rotten corpse ass off.

      • Jonathan Smith
  • Elsewhere1010

    Does he want the support of white nationalists? Hell yes. He craves the support of anyone of any stripe who will cheer for him.

  • DoctorDJ

    tDump, repeat after me: “Fox- and Breitbert-fed Nazi terrorists.”

    There. That wasn’t so hard. I knew you could do it.

  • Tomcat

    OT: Have a question I would love to get answered.
    If all cops are afraid of anyone that is carrying a gun,,,,
    WHY SHOULDN’T WE BE EXPECTED TO FEAR THEM ALSO?
    Yet we are suppose to just go on as if they are JUST NORMAL PEOPLE.

    • Max_1

      We’re supposed to be calm and in control when a cop draws their gun on you…
      … However the law says the police can lose their cool and control and murder you with that gun.

  • Max_1

    Dear Mr. Donald,
    “Both sides” ran over and MURDERED people today???

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Yes, one of the sides purposefully went under the car.

      • Max_1

        Donald will thank Putin for their sacrifice…

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    So, I live in an area that bleeds blue– except one neighbor. Periodically puts up Trump signs. Puts up lawn signs with some right wing bullshit. We don’t bother to read it. Every neighborhood has one.

    So when he tries to talk with me this afternoon and play with my dog, my first thought was of Ramsey Bolton.

    Part of me says I should be above that. Part of me wants to be as “I can’t let them win.” And part of me wants to say “Don’t touch my dog; that blood on your hands matts her fur.” And I really don’t know if I mind feeling the latter.

    • Tomcat

      Why didn’t you just confirm his desires and tell him you are not good enough to socialize with him? Then just walk away.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I think I’d honestly just avoid him. I don’t mean being super rude but the second you see him, I’d just cross the street.

      • leastyebejudged

        Avoidance is generally considered neurotic behaviour.

    • leastyebejudged

      People can’t change unless you give them the chance to right.

  • Robert Flanagan

    Benghazi!

    • coram nobis

      Nuremberg!

  • FAEN

    Donald-

    You poured the gas and lit the match so enough with this “on many sides” BS.

    YOU with the help of your nazi’s built this.

  • Tomcat

    Have all the NAZIS gone home yet from Charlottesville?
    There might be more action after dark if not.

    • Hue-Man

      “Where have all the Nazis gone?
      Long time passing.”

      • Tomcat

        Back under their rocks to curl up in their slime.

    • Michael R

      They need National Guard there tonight .

      • Hank

        With a Declared State of Emergency called out earlier today by the Gov. McAulliff, I am sure, they will be there.

      • coram nobis

        On whose side will they be?

    • djcoastermark

      I’m sure they are regrouping for more crap. After all, it’s saturday night and saturday nights all right for fighting. (thanks Elton) Still, it is the weekend and there’s still sunday to get through. Pretty sure they had planned for the whole weekend.

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    Spencer speaks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzb4-wOhQc He’s bummed about being maced.

    PS: Mary sounds like he’s got other issues as well.

    • Tomcat

      I saw a lot of his people macing the other side today so he deserved what he got.

      • Cuberly

        You can see vid of nazis macing anti-fa, without any provocation. Then there’s their penchant for bats, seems to be a popular item with them.

    • Michael R

      Fuck off and run to mommy the enabler .

    • Cuberly

      Roberts made mention of someone he knows in Charlotte that was at the protest on the anti-fa side. They said the nazis they saw were brandishing weapons and you could smell the alcohol on them.

      Sounds about right, they do like their beer halls.

    • Mickey Bitsko
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      He’s angry that consequences exist for white baby-men.

    • JWC

      you. sir, are hardly a victim You reap what you sew

  • Cuberly

    I’m sort of freaking out at the number of “conservatives” critical of donnie’s f’d up statement. Regardless, they still own this. Whether they like it or not.

    https://twitter.com/riotwomennn/status/896485636512862208

    • Hank

      My Senator, Little Marco does not have the Cajones to do so!!! He may be responding, this way ONLY because of his Cuban base here in FL, which, I am sure, the White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis do not find acceptable either!

      • TampaDink

        I agree…our p.o.s. jr. senator will probably walk back this statement if hair furor or one of his spokes bigots chastises him for it.

      • Cuberly

        Yep, using his base as cover can allow him to be critical of donnie. But, if anything, he’s also running in 2020. There’s a rather large network of PACs and entrenched interests behind him too.

        Reagan Batallion is a primary Rubio booster.

        • Paul

          Rubio is a total beta and a weak debater. If he can get demolished by empty-headed blowhards like Cheeto Mussolini and Christie Creme during a primary debate, imagine him going up against a competent debater during the fall general election like Harris, Booker, or Franken. I think Rubio knows this and won’t run in 2020, even if by some miracle Trump is either impeached or has resigned by then.

          • Hank

            Not so sure about his NOT running. He was not going to run for re-election to the Senate, last year. However, once he dropped out of the race fro president, he came back in and ran again. This would give him a base for 2020

          • Paul

            Rubio’s base has probably flocked to Cruz and Cotton now.

      • Cattleya1

        He is my senator, too. He is an evil, tiny little man.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      When it actually involves torches and fatalities then they break out the “Tut, tut” but they need to be told we don’t care about their pearl grasping as long as they don’t fire anybody.

      I want to say, “Yo, Rubio, if you think you’re safe from these critters, you are mistaken. You’re too tan for them.”

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    We were gone all day and just came home to this god dammed shit.
    I Was going to say how I felt kind of good about how people were mostly polite today at the state fair. That’s all gone now.

    • Pat

      These shitheads are only representative of themselves and other cellar dwelling 4channers who live in a state of perpetual butt hurt. I have to believe the overwhelming majority of people are not like them and condemn them. I’d rather be at the state fair rubbing shoulders with people who bake pies and raise livestock and don’t have time for self-indulgent shows of self-pity with Pier One citronella torches. I hope you had a good day!

  • Ninja0980

    So glad I took a break.
    Trump is a vile POS and this statement this afternoon proves it.

  • 2patricius2

    Pathetic comments from a pathetic white nationalist president.

  • Natty Enquirer

    “Many” sides? There were two, as far as I can tell, and while I do not support violent retaliation against obnoxious persons who are otherwise obeying the law, it is a foolish mistake to portray the opposing aggressors as somehow equivalent to the alt-Nazis. In fact, it reads as downright sympathy. Shocking to hear from a President; ho-hum coming from Donald Trump.

  • Max_1
    • JCF

      Trans: “You have to have the [white]—the [white] genes.”

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      From what I can see his genes include the ones for Alzheimer’s, drug addiction and obesity.

    • JWC

      THIS?… WHAT? that empty void between my ears

    • Pat

      He’s a fat old twat with bad hair, a big ass and dead eyes. So much for superior genes, and don’t get me started on Lord of the Flies Bannon and his booze flush.

  • andrew

    Trump pretends not to know that right wing haters, with good reason, see him as their champion in the Oval Office.

  • jsmukg

    HEIL FUCKING TWITLER. Even Faux Noise called this domestic terrorism.

    • Max_1

      Thomas Roberts on MSNBS called it an “accident”…

      edit: name

  • ultragreen

    Geez, what happened to peaceful week-ends? As usual, Trump refuses to condemn the violence of his supporters.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Who’s buried in Robert E. Lee’s ass?

  • netxtown

    CNN reporting 3 are dead.

    • Halou

      And Trump is trying to spread blame for this on both sides. Despicable.

      • Pat

        He only expressed sympathy for the two dead officers in the chopper crash, not for the woman who was struck and killed by the car. I hope all his chickens are coming home to roost.

        • Halou

          He did post a tweet about the car attack victim… 36 minutes later, either as an afterthought or because his advisers told him it would look bad if he didn’t. Either way he doesn’t care about who his supporters attack and kill.
          Nor does he care what his foreign allies do, remember when the Turkish president’s bodyguards were beating people on the streets and Trump said how great it is that he and Erdogan are on the same page.

          • Pat

            I’ll stake anything his advisers told him to say something. And I do remember well his lack of a response when Turkish thugs beat American citizens on our soil, and he said nothing about that. He’s a goddamned disgrace.

    • Max_1

      Two are from the chopper crash…

  • Jonathan Smith
  • jesus fucking christ.

  • He’s not going to call out his last base of support – the white supremacists.

  • Reality.Bites

    And this is how Trump begins his descent below 30%.

    All of us are racist to a greater or lesser extent.

    Few of us are Nazis.

  • Ginger Snap

    Anytime I read or hear tRump I swear I hear the adult voice from a Charlie Brown special. Wa wa wa wa wa.

    • Pat

      (((((hugs)))))

  • Pat

    There’s only one side responsible for today, the same side his KKK father was on and he chose to align himself with that side by hiring Bannon, Miller and Gorka, by dropping white supremacists from counter terrorism efforts, and by failing to condemn white supremacists today. Silence = assent. I hope Muller & co are working around the clock to surgically remove this cancer at the top.

  • JWC

    I believe today, more than any other day, America may have got a good glimpse of the Bannon Trump ideals for this once great country

  • JaniceInToronto

    How soon is the shooting going to start? Shouldn’t be too long now…

  • lenvus

    I posted this below as a comment to a comment to a comment to a …, but a video of the incident as well as the driver backing up and escaping was posted to Twitter by Brennan Gilmore, the videographer. If you have the stomach to watch this tragic incident of hatred, feel free to do so. It took me a few minutes to gather the courage, but I am glad I did. This is just horrible. The idea that someone / some people are so consumed by contempt and hatred they would even think about — let alone actually do — something like this. Just tragic. (Please note there is strong language in this video as well)

    Video of car hitting anti-racist protestors. Let there be no confusion: this was deliberate terrorism. My prayers with victims. Stay home. pic.twitter.com/MUOZs71Pf4— Brennan Gilmore (@brennanmgilmore) August 12, 2017

  • Ken M

    I wonder how Trump is feeling about the power of Social Media today?

  • Max_1
  • coram nobis

    Alert legal experts recognized at the time just how far the [Weimar German] Supreme Court had gone in perverting justice with its fatal message that the (presumed) interest of the state stood above the law. By implication, even the most heinous crimes were not punishable if they were committed in the interest of the state, while legal actions were punishable if they ran counter to it.
    — Ingo Müller, Hitler’s Justice: The Courts of the Third Reich

    • Max_1

      Citizens United… anyone?

  • UrsusArctos
  • coram nobis

    The simplest explanation for His comments is that He is, according to this first-person testimony in Salon, nutsy coo-coo.

    http://www.salon.com/2017/08/12/my-meeting-with-donald-trump-a-damaged-pathetic-personality-whose-obvious-impairment-has-only-gotten-worse/

    His defects were so monumental, so toxic, we had no protocol for talking about them. There are effective and responsible ways to talk about all such things, but first our media and political elites must find the courage to name them.

  • coram nobis

    Two Virginia State Police dead in helicopter crash near Charlottesville.

    http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/vsp-two-state-police-pilots-one-from-midlothian-killed-in/article_429c00cc-dd49-5dfd-94ab-8d43e7eeb71a.html

    No foul play suspected, but was their flight prompted by the Charlottesville riot to begin with?

  • “I condemn” (what I helped to ignite).

  • SDG

    I keep on telling people, here, in Israel, HE IS A FUCKING NAZI!!! No one listens to me.

  • Westcoast88

    Why does Trump refuse to say the words “White Supremacist Terrorism”?
    We should all be asking this question repeatedly until we get an answer.

  • Robert Adams

    “President Trump said he condemned hatred and bigotry on “many sides” in Charlottesville, Virginia”

    Just a little reminder for all you “good Christians” out there who think Trump is your guy:

    “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”
    ——— Revelation 3:16

  • greenmanTN

    I think Dante might need to invent another circle of Hell just for Trump.

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  • 45’s prepared remarks are always written by a staff member and he reads them as if he never saw the words. Written statements from him are always insincere.

    It is the off-the-cuff, thoghts-out-loud, spontaneous remarks e.g. “on many sides” that always reveal his truly despicable nature. With those few words he negates the entire speech and simultaneously throws meat to his ravenous white supremacist supporters without whom he would not be where he is – and he knows it.

    He has no values, ethics or ideology beyond power and money and is willing to use any group or ideology, no matter how evil, to his advantage to get and keep both.

    He is so far beyond anything words can describe, and we know how often words have been used to try…nothing comes close. I am sickened.

  • Chris Baker

    “i denounce violence of the man who drove his car into he crowd, and the crowd who violently and hatefully stood in his way! There’s plenty of blame to go around”

  • Mike

    Trump endorsed the white supremacists and their violence at the Trump
    rally in Charlottesville yesterday when he blamed the non-violent
    anti-klan protesters for the violence instead of the terrorists carrying
    the torches and chanting insults against Jews, and for praise for Trump.

  • Robert Adams

    The fact that Trump is President says a lot about us. A true leader takes you to a place you did not realize you needed or wanted to go. Politicians are not leaders. Politicians see a parade, determine which way the parade is headed, then jump in front of it.

  • Richard

    Many sides??? What a pathetic jerk.