HAITI: Senate Passes Bill Banning Same-Sex Marriage And Criminalizing “Public Support” For Homosexuality

Agence France-Presse reports:

A vote by the Haitian Senate to ban gay marriage as well as “public demonstration of support” for homosexuality reflects the will of the people, the chamber’s president has said. The Senate approved a bill late Tuesday that said “the parties, co-parties and accomplices” of a homosexual marriage can be punished by three years in prison and a fine of about USD 8,000.

“All senators are opposed to same-sex marriage, so this simply reflects the commitments the senators made during their campaigns,” Senate President Youri Latortue told AFP. Haiti’s constitution established a secular republic but the country is marked by deep religious beliefs. “Although the state is secular, it is people of faith who are the majority,” Latortue said, stressing the commonly held belief in Haiti that homosexuality is a Western practice only.

The bill also criminalizes “any public demonstration of support for homosexuality and proselytizing in favour of such acts.” It’s expected to pass easily in Haiti’s lower house, the 118-member Chamber of Deputies. Haiti is overwhelmingly Catholic.

  • djcoastermark

    Keeping the hate in haiti.

  • Stev84

    Haiti has long been a popular destination for American missionaries who as usual spread nothing but hatred

  • zhera

    You’d think they have more important things to worry about, right? But no, two men getting it on (it’s always men because these bigots don’t consider women to be sexual beings) is the worst that could ever happen.

    Fuck Haiti.

    • Todd20036

      Remember when they begged us for help after that natural disaster? (It was either a hurricane or an earthquake).
      My guess is they still haven’t recovered fully, but hey, look, SQUIRREL!!

      • zhera

        Earthquake. And you can be damn sure that most of the aid that they got have somehow found its way into the pockets of politicians and officials.

    • Mike__in_Houston

      Absolutely. According to Wikipedia, Haiti is one of the poorest countries on earth and the poorest in the Americas. But at least they have their priorities, er, straight. SMH…

    • David Walker

      I think you’re right, but don’t forget that many straight men think lesbian sex is hot…”lesbian porn” scores very high.

    • iambu

      They DO have more important things to worry about. Problem is, important things are hard and take work and patience – efforts many governments will try to to avoid at any cost (like human lives, etc.). Scapegoating can be done from a La-Z-Boy.

    • Longpole

      There are much worse things happening there. Haiti’s largest city, Port-au-Prince has one of the largest slums in the Northern Hemisphere and has been called “the most dangerous place on earth” by the United Nations. Haiti is consistently ranked among the most corrupt countries in the world by Corruption Perceptions Index. 75% of Haitian households do not have running water. Only 60% of Haitian children are vaccinated..source; Wikipedia.

  • Rex

    Just remember friends, as bad as we think we have it here, there are places where it’s worse. Much, much worse.

    • DaddyRay

      Could be us under President Pence

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        True, but if it really began to get that bad, I suspect someone would exercise their 2nd amendment rights against such tyranny.

        • boatboy_srq

          That would involve a LOT of 2nd Amendment ordnance. You’re talking about the VP, four SCOTUS Justices, at least 1/4 of Congress, and the pluralities of most state legislatures, county boards of supervisors, city/town councils and school boards. “One soldier with a sharp stick and nothing to lose” won’t cut it.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Well, I have a feeling there’s more than one queer in America who could, as you say, have the ordnance.

          • boatboy_srq

            Pink Pistols is not a small group.

            OTOH there are so many that a 2nd Amendment solution would need to cover that it almost seems too drastic a solution.

      • Todd20036

        Doubtful, but only because big business would not allow it.
        I’ve no faith in Congress.

  • Boreal
    • bambinoitaliano

      Every corrupted regime build their empire by playing the gay card. They use the hollow wall of religion as the lame excuse.

      • Ningsisa

        Jamaica did that too under PM Golding. Corrupt as can be but loved to bring up the evil gays.

      • boatboy_srq

        Well, actually Mugabe and Amin built theirs by playing the race card, but the point still stands.

        • Derrick Johns

          I guess so did Hitler, huh?

          • boatboy_srq

            True, but in that case it wasn’t quite so, um, black and white.

          • Derrick Johns

            OK, but, this was a case (as it usually is) of Black anti-Gay bigots punishing Black LGT people. Do White Gay men really care? Who made this a Black and White issue?

          • boatboy_srq

            We were talking about Reichwing bigots (ethnicity irrelevant, but black Reichwing bigots in this particular instance) making LGBTs their first target and using that to define national identity. I just pointed out a couple cases where that wasn’t true, but recognized the value of the original point. You made the argument about Nazis, and here we are.

          • Derrick Johns

            Well, Ok, boatboy_srq. As of last week we have a Reichwing bigot in our White House –an orange one. He’s not going to kill any Transfolk, but he is promoting hatred against them. There is hatred around the world for LGT folks. I leave the “B” because nobody knows who they are.

          • boatboy_srq

            True.

            How are you relating that to Haiti (or Zimbabwe or Uganda), exactly? Besides the Xtianists’ fixation on Teh Ghey, which while traceable in this instance isn’t explicitly mentioned in the Haitian announcement.

      • JCF

        And that’s the point: please blame the GOVERNMENT, and not the suffering people. You think if you spoke to any of this people shown above, they’d mention homosexuality if they were paid to talk by the word? Hardly!

  • Tawreos

    “… the commonly held belief in Haiti that homosexuality is a Western practice only.”

    It gets so old listening to people that think beliefs change reality.

    • AmeriCanadian

      How quickly they accept Western assistance in times of crises, like earthquakes and hurricanes that so often strike there. I wonder what their “god” is trying to tell them.

  • Reasonoverhate

    Time for a hurricane!

  • shellback

    The ruling was determined by tossing a bag of chicken bones and pebbles on the ground in a voodoo ceremony.

    • Hannukah Dreidl

      Referring to Voudon/Condomblé practices that way is both ignorant and racist. We can be better than that, here.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Time to withdraw all the aide to a country who are depending on the humanity and compassion during the major natural disaster. Somehow these idiots do not have the same compassion for their own country persons. I sure hell not aiding and abetting evil assholes.

    • Bj Lincoln

      We should pull funds from every country that discriminates against any of their people for any reason except we are going backwards in our own country.

      • boatboy_srq

        On the plus side, that would make Denmark, Netherlands, Sweden, New Zealand, Canada and Argentina VERY wealthy…

  • Steve Smith

    And thus they shall remain a poverty-stricken shithole.

  • Bj Lincoln

    We want to thank religious zealots from the US for helping spread the lies that foster the hate there. Lets not forget the catholic church for their part too.

    • bambinoitaliano

      If the rest of the world stand still and not make an effort, the religious zealots will watch the Haitians population wipe out and blame them for not praying hard enough or have strong faith in the sky fairies.

      • Bj Lincoln

        They pissed off god for liking queers so he shook them and drown them all.

    • Kruhn

      Actually, the US and Latin America. Evangelical churches are strong in Central America.

  • MarkBuster

    The country that brought us aids keeps on giving

    • Todd20036

      I wouldn’t exactly blame them for AIDS.

      • MarkBuster

        Well.. do the reading. Epidemiologists do.

    • ChrisMorley

      That’s a distortion of reality.

      It is harsh to blame impoverished Haiti for the US epidemic.

      ‘HIV crossed from chimps to humans in the 1920’s in what is now the
      Democratic Republic of Congo. This was probably as a result of chimps
      carrying the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV), a virus closely
      related to HIV, being hunted and eaten by people living in the area.

      ‘Why is Haiti significant?
      In the 1960s, the ‘B’ subtype of HIV-1 (a subtype of strain M) had made its way to Haiti. At this time, many Haitian professionals who were working in the colonial Democratic Republic of Congo during the 1960s returned to Haiti.13 Initially, they were blamed for being responsible for the HIV epidemic, and suffered severe racism, stigma and discrimination as a result.

      ‘What happened in the 1980s in the USA?
      People sometimes say that HIV started in the 1980s in the United States of America (USA), but in fact this was just when people first became aware of HIV and it was officially recognised as a new health condition.

      In 1981, a few cases of rare diseases were being reported among gay men in New York and California, such as Kaposi’s Sarcoma (a rare cancer)
      and a lung infection called PCP.15 16
      No one knew why these cancers and opportunistic infections were spreading, but they concluded that there must be an infectious ‘disease’
      causing them.

      https://www.avert.org/professionals/history-hiv-aids/origin

  • Michael R
    • barrixines

      I was just writing something about the mud cakes too. In addition to that Port au Prince is one of the largest cities in the world without a sewage system and human waste is carted away by hand and dumped in streams and by the side of the road. It is a country beset by famine, war, corruption, violence and natural disasters. The ignorance of its political leaders will do nothing to ameloriate any of the serious problems it faces. I’ve got no snark for the poor of that country.

  • jayjonson

    Stupid vicious people. Off my list of charities.

  • Ernest Endevor

    Admittedly I’ve lived a sheltered life but I have never seen anything to compare with the horror of Port au Prince. And that was pre-earthquake.

  • bdsmjack

    This is why I don’t vacation in the Caribbean. I know not all the islands are homophobic, but as far as I’m concerned, they are all tainted.

    • bambinoitaliano

      Those island intense fear of homosexual stems from the Christian missionary who foster the culture of pedophilia and sexual abuse everywhere they go. We became the target of their hatred.

      • boatboy_srq

        We become the deflection of their practices.

  • Bluto
    • The Professor

      THIS.

    • Todd20036

      Truer words have never been written

    • Schlukitz

      So Jesus is for lease? Gotta check that phone number to see what his hourly rates are. 😉

  • kaydenpat

    So this is something that was so pressing to address in a country where people literally eat dirt. Alrighty then. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080130-AP-haiti-eatin.html

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Another backward nation with backward and barbaric notions. Like bdsmjack, I too will not vacation in the homophobic Caribbean. The closest I get is Key West, New Orleans, Cuba or the Riviera Maya in Mexico.

    • Ninja0980

      Same here.
      Rather spend my money on folks and places that don’t hate me rather then go to places that do.

  • Ninja0980

    For those who say LGBT people need to only fear Muslims, I say BS.
    As others have pointed out, this hate is brought to you by American “Christians” who once again show what they would like to do to us here if they can get away with it.
    And if Trump gets more judges on the courts, he very well may.

    • bcarter3

      >For those who say LGBT people need to only fear Muslims, I say BS.

      Nobody in the history of the world has ever said that.

      • Ninja0980

        Right bigots and some on the left do all the time.

  • OdieDenCO

    always nice to see a country’s government focused on the really important issues facing the country. those secondary issues like poverty, disease, and education will take care of themselves once all those nasty gays are eliminated.
    /s icymi

    • bambinoitaliano

      These batch of corrupt politicians took advantage of the millions of dollars of aide pouring in during the natural disaster crisis. They have fatten themselves up at the expense of the lives of their fellow country men. Now they are tightening the noose to make sure they will stay in power for a long long time.

  • The Professor

    Ok. The will of THIS gay married tax payer is that not not one single dime of my taxes go to help your country the next time some disaster inevitably strikes.

    • Schlukitz

      Unfortunately, we have no control over who our overlords give our tax money too. 🙁

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Just begging for another earthquake, aren’t they?

  • JDS

    Well now, the next time a Hurricane or Earthquake strikes, don’t expect a lot of volunteers from Queer America to help you out.

  • AmeriCanadian

    Can you tell which side is Haiti and which side is Dominican Republic? Interesting that two countries occupy the same island yet one is extremely impoverished and the other has the largest Caribbean economy (Wikipedia).

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ed5a2e411a1fe3e1fe5c3666e82c55e734c369e23f7fe28a233e2fa796aad0b.jpg

  • Frostbite

    I think we are long past giving Hate-i any assistance with anything until their fix io their human rights issues. I know I won’t donate a penny to any cause for them.

  • Ningsisa

    Yes this is the most important thing we have to worry about in Haiti.

  • TampaZeke

    It’s good to know that Haiti has advanced so far in the last couple of years that this is the greatest problem that the island nation has.

    This is conservative Scapegoating 101. People will NEVER learn from history! It’s especially disheartening to see oppressed minorities scapegoating oppressed minorities within an oppressed minority.

    • Derrick Johns

      Yes, Tampa. But who is the oppressed minority being oppressed–murdered: It is Haitian LGT folks. Do y’all Americans really care? They’re not killing any White Gay folks–nor Gay Americans. This happens in every conversation with Black homophobes …from around the world. But it doesn’t happen with Russia or Chechnya or even Eastern Europe. This conversation about race and homophobia doesn’t happen unless it’s about Blacks.

    • Derrick Johns

      Hey, Tampa:
      I just wanted you to know that I respect your comments and I’ve respected them over the years. I just don’t like it when issues of Black homophobia turns to race and Western hemisphere’s racial history.

      • TampaZeke

        With all due respect Derrick, I was very careful and thoughtful with my comment. The people I was expressing concern for were the gay, black Haitians. I wasn’t making a blanket statement about black people oppressing gay people. I was pointing out how disheartening it is that black Haitians, who should understand oppression better than anyone in the world, oppressing the one group who are even more vulnerable, black GAY Haitians. That’s why I said it’s disheartening to see oppressed minorities scapegoating oppressed minorities WITHIN an oppressed minority. I understand your reservations, but to be clear, I actually DO, and have many times, pointed out how especially disheartening it is to see Jewish people oppressing gay people or black people and to see Chechens oppressing gay people for the very same reason. Both of these groups of people have historically been oppressed as well.

  • The Milkman

    Great idea. This will totally help people whose lives were destroyed by the earthquake. Or maybe it’ll just distract from the fact that the aid money sent over by civilized nations was pocketed by government officials. I’m just guessing.

  • Correctly spelling it “HATEi”

    • Oh’behr in Minnesota

      Hate-y.
      Yet your version makes more grammatical sense.

  • netxtown

    Religion – the scourge of the planet.

    As for Haiti, never even made it to my bucket list. Hate is hate – and I get to choose where to spend my tourist dollars.

  • Gigi

    Two questions: 1) Doesn’t Haiti have bigger issues to concern itself with? 2) Why are we always the scapegoat?

    • Todd20036

      1) Yes.
      2) Because we are few, we break the standards of male/female roles, and because we have sex for pleasure and don’t have to justify that with “but a baby may result”.

    • boatboy_srq

      Yes, and Xtianists, respectively.

    • Schlukitz

      Because we are handy.

  • Jmdintpa

    Most islands are like that. Left over I guess from their British overlords from back in the day? Regardless I have learned from working in the travel industry that the islands are not a friendly place for gay people to visit. Next time they are wiped off the map by a hurricane take care of your own damn country and dont hold your hate filled hand out our way for a handout. Your doing so well you can pass this shit then you dont need anyones help to do anything else. Good luck with your disasters and death Haiti!!!

    • Natty Enquirer

      It comes more from their Roman Catholic overlords.

      • GanymedeRenard

        And yet it seems that things are reasonably better for us queer folks in the three Spanish Caribbean islands – Puerto Rico, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, all of which are still predominantly Catholic.

    • Câl

      For once we Brits are not to blame: Haiti was first Spanish and then a French colony and first Caribbean nation to become independent in the Napoleonic era in 1804. It was colonised by the USA from 1914-34 but otherwise on it’s own officially. There are growing numbers of evangelical protestants who are anti-LGBT (with lots of US missionaries there giving them a “gentle” nudge in that direction) as well as their largely Catholic past. They also have a lot of voodoo practitioners (often mixed in with the Catholic tradition). Some of these in Brazil are pro-LGBT but I believe that most in Haiti are haters.

  • kat

    Catholicism, poverty, and a dumb-as-shit populace will keep Haiti a hellhole for generations. The Clintons should find a more deserving recipient of their charity.

  • Ken M

    If everyone is already so against it, why is a law needed to prevent it?

    • Natty Enquirer

      For the same reason as most useless laws: to boost the star of some rising politician.

    • Schlukitz

      So they can their bigotry, hatred and homophobia out on the clothesline for the entire world to see. Those Catholics are very proud of these traits, you know?

  • Adam Stevens

    Haiti:

    Your desire to spit in my face today does not make me regret the 6 months I spent helping you and your people after your devastating earthquake.

    Because I am a better man than any of you will ever be.

  • vorpal 😼

    Once again, my faith remains unwavering that the faithful will be fully foul fiends.

    • Schlukitz

      Insert the word filthy.

  • TheManicMechanic

    I’m never going there again.

    Now where’s the “earthquake” dial on the Big Gay Weather Machine?

    • Beagle

      Just to note, we’re entering the peak of the hurricane season. Who has the hurricane machine this month?

      • Treant

        Me, but nobody trained me. I can’t tell the difference between “Tropical Depression” and “Force 5 Hurricane” on these control boards.

        • Keiffer

          Aim for Haiti and turn it up to 11.

        • m_lp_ql_m

          The Big Gay Weather Machine requires no training. Just you be you, gurl! Fiercely!

          • Treant

            OK, we’re off.

            Er, what’s a “hypercane” and why is it headed for Haiti? Oh, well, it’s not like I care, but…

  • Statistics Palin

    So many missionaries. So few cannibals.

  • cleos_mom

    Oh, that should be an improvement. Haiti is already the place you get sent when hell won’t let you in.

  • Nychta

    Did anyone else note that the senate president’s last name, LaTortue, means “the turtle” in French?

  • TrueWords

    LGBT Haitians have been largely ignored by international aid organizations and the government in post earthquake Haiti—resulting in increased discrimination, violence and the rape of gay men, lesbians and transgender women.

  • BeaverTales

    No one who is LGBT will remain on Haiti if they can leave. There is nowhere to go except the closet if they stay.

    • GanymedeRenard

      Well, there’s always the Dominican Republic, where us LGBT+ folks seem to be safe.

  • Hue-Man

    So of course your President wants to send back the 58,000 people who were given refuge following the 2010 earthquake. No surprise, 200 Haitians are crossing illegally into Quebec every day.

    But the current surge consists mostly of Haitians, driven from their homeland by the 2010 earthquake, who were told by the U.S. government in May they could face deportation as early as January.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/asylum-seekers-quebec-roxham-1.4232608

  • Treant

    Haiti…hatey.

  • narutomania

    Haiti: according to various sources, the poorest nation in the western hemisphere. And yet, there always seems to be time and resources to fight the bête noire that is homosexuality. And only male homosexuality, at that.

    Haitian Leaders: wake up and get a fucking clue. Your country is on the brink of complete collapse. The land has been completely denuded of trees, your people are starving, there is very little clean water, and your people suffer from lack of even basic education.

    What is wrong with you? Look around you! Do something to help your people and stop these endless medieval hunts for non-existent demons.

    • Schlukitz

      A perusal of the President’s and Senate members bank accounts and holdings will probably provide you with answers to all of the points that you brought forward.

  • Dagoril

    In English, his surname “Latortue” means “The Turtle”. That is all.

  • NMNative

    One more reason, as if I need one, to not send one dime of aid to this pit of a country.
    Although, given enough time and enough trump, who knows what will be coming up in our own senate.

    • Schlukitz

      This from a Catholic (read homophobic) country that received $13 billion in US Aid for an earthquake that happened five years ago and appears to still be in chaos.

      And that is in addition to: Between the fiscal years of 1995 and 1999, the U.S. contributed roughly $884 million in assistance to Haiti.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_Haiti

      It should be noted that much of this money came from American LGBT taxpayers and the donations made by them to relief efforts. Not only is the question being raised as to where all of this money has gone (certainly not to the folks needing it), but why the US continues to fund religious bigotry, hatred and homophobia in places that obviously hate our guts?

      They take our money…and then spit in our eye!

  • JWC

    Draconian

  • Schlukitz

    “Haiti is overwhelmingly Catholic.”

    That sums it up in a nutshell.

  • Surprise. Hellhole passes evil terrible law based on will of debased, degraded, abused people with lowest literacy rates in the Americas. Remember these people were literally ruled with the threat of black magic for years.

    Across the border in ‘overwhelmingly Catholic’ Dominican Republic, things are relatively fine.

  • Ben in Oakland

    People of faith. Ignorance, corruption and poverty rampant. Decades of dictatorship. A heady combination.

    Let’s attack the most vulnerable people

  • TimCA

    I can’t help but to think of all the LGBT Haitians trapped under that oppressive government and the social norms there. Those poor people. We need to keep them firmly in mind, not just their evil government.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Fun fact – after the U.S., Haiti was the first nation to gain its independence from a European colonial power in the Western Hemisphere, and also the first self-described Black Republic. So, if Haiti is in the Western hemisphere, doesn’t it make it a Western country? Ironically, the French Revolution had decriminalized homosexuality decades before France’s then colony became independent. Go figure.

  • Nic Peterson

    Part of me would love for God’s gentle people to see Haiti as their new home, but that would be a cruel fate for the people. They have been through so much through the centuries.

  • rextrek

    SO PEOPLE – PLEASE LET’S remember this Next time they have a Hurricane and earthquake…… NO $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    • BeckyCrawfordThaThird

      Haiti should be compensated by France for what that country did to its economy and people two centuries ago, and from which Haiti never recovered or had the opportunity to thrive.

  • Friday

    Cause, yeah, ‘unanimity’ and the ‘moral high ground’ usually mean you need to silence any protest or criticism from the people about it.

  • JCF

    THIS SHIT AGAIN???

    Yeah, “let ’em eat homophobia”: good know your heads are up your asses, Haitian Senate.

    Re “the will of the people”: I honestly haven’t seen any credible polls of the Haitian people on this subject. I DO know that the Diocese of Haiti is the largest (population) diocese in the Episcopal Church. As I trust you ALL here know, marriage equality, and LGBT ordination, are the official policies of the Episcopal Church. I haven’t been able to find the Diocese of Haiti’s votes on these subjects (Google is failing me), but I know bloody well that they haven’t tried to leave the Episcopal Church over it either (unlike some dioceses in South Carolina—judge just ruled against them a couple of days ago! 😀 —and Fort Worth Texas).

    The point is, this Senator is talking out of his ass: he doesn’t know the “will of the people”, nor does he care. Senate: homophobic bastards!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e743cd932117ca4aa11c190107e9c6f571af739a275e2d06d4fecb7d3fe27cac.jpg

  • James

    It is a truth universally acknowledged, that the biggest shitholes are also the most homophobic places on Earth.

  • Kenster999

    Well, the Catholic Church likes to thread the needle by objecting to gay marriage when proposed in a country, while insisting that *being* gay isn’t immoral, and that gays should suffer “no unjust discrimination” simply for being gay.

    Let’s see if they object to this new law because it would lead to blatant discrimination…

  • Snarkaholic

    You can’t spell “Haiti” without “Hait.”

  • BeckyCrawfordThaThird

    There are many progressive, liberal young Haitians who will change these ridiculous laws in time. Of course this is bad news, but I won’t let it turn me into a hypocrite by hating Haiti back. In order to change hearts and minds, we need to focus on positive aspects and support the people already there trying to promote truth, justice and an end to ignorance. Demonizing the whole populace will do no good and it only serves to sow more conflict in our peculiarly damaged world.

  • StudioTodd

    If homosexuality is so bad and so hated by the people of Haiti, then why is there a need to outlaw speaking publicly in support of gay people? Wouldn’t that support simply fall on deaf ears? Wouldn’t the supporter be ignored or shut down completely by the public?

    The reason for laws and bans such as this is because these bigots understand the unsustainability of their positions when confronted by actual people rather than the strawmen on whom the bigots base their opposition. They know that the slow inexorable arc of history bends toward justice and equality, so they have no choice but to put up as many roadblocks as they can in order to slow down the public’s recognition that, in essence, we are no different from them and are not inherently evil, dangerous or harmful people.

    The more that these bigots can continue the unobstructed and unhampered anti-gay demonization and keep the public from becoming educated about us, the longer they can maintain their power positions. Because without us to use as a distraction, it becomes clear who are the truly harmful and destructive elements in society (here’s a hint–they are the ones who shift all the responsibility for their hateful attitudes onto god).