GOP Sen. Orrin Hatch Slams Trump’s Anti-Trans Edict

“I don’t think anybody should be discriminating against anyone. Transgender people are people, and deserve the best we can do for them. I look forward to getting much more information and clarity from our military leaders about the policy the President tweeted today.” – Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch, via press release.

  • Wait whut?

  • Tawreos

    I am guessing that the best you can do for them would not involve taking away their healthcare, but I am sure you don’t care about that.

  • Jonathan Smith

    “Sen. Orrin Hatch”
    did you get that wrong JMG?

  • Jonathan Smith
  • Gigi

    Trump’s anti-trans tweet is distraction. Here’s a much gentler and kinder distraction:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/834b29cb269a4d5ce22110de9f014c10869474530f1a8b2934dd148e0779e374.jpg

    • Boreal

      It’s not a distraction for trans people.

      • Gigi

        I didn’t say that the threat isn’t real, merely that Trump’s tweets are oftentimes an attempt to draw our collective eye away from the problems in his administration.

    • Pat Padrnos

      I’m good with this.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      O Canada, just o, oh, ohh! Canada.

    • Publius

      He still hasn’t said how many times he met with the ethics commissioner. People’s fawning over this PM distracts from his constant battle with being forthcoming. Don’t be fooled by the theatrics. He’s just another politician.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXtOwt-sITY

      • craigbear

        By and large, Americans just get the version of JT that makes gestures of solidarity with progressive values and tweets out cute pictures on social media — they don’t get the stories about the broken campaign promises, the Saudi arms sales or the slippery ethics (you know, the boring stuff about actual Canadian politics.)

        • thatotherjean

          Would Canadians like to trade Trudeau for Trump? We’ll throw in the rest of the Trumps for free.

      • Gigi

        I’ll take Trudeau over Trump any day.

        • Publius

          Cool.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        There is, however, a comparison factor. True, Americans do not see the campaign issues that Trudeau has not met. But we do see that his cabinet is full of people who represent the modern world, not people who believe the Earth is six thousand years old. We do see that he takes in refugees while the States turns kids away at our borders. We see him showing up at Pride while our president doesn’t recognize its very existence. While Trudeau talks about environmental factors the US stands alone, being away from any progress. Is he necessarily the greatest thing for Canada at the moment? Compared to the shitstorm that is this country, I don’t know but I know that he is a hell of a lot better than what we have.

        And yes, his socks are cute as hell.
        PS: Um, Harper?

        • Publius

          This comment, however well intentioned, just underscores the problem with people fawning over this PM. Yes it’s nice he’s progressive and modern, it’s lovely. But showing up at pride and having a cabinet composed of over-represented demographics doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a problem with ethics, being responsible with his government credit card, and obsessing over appearances.

          I personally don’t care about politicians delivering cute soundbites, dancing on Ellen, and making appearances at pride festivals. I care that they’re governing well and ethically.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Compared to Trump, he IS governing well. Those actions may seem just cute to you but they are actions that indicate a progressive mindset that quite frankly I would want even the cast offs compared to what we are getting from this administration. This morning, the leader of this country officially sanctioned prejudice into national policy. Turning away refugees is not just some attention seeking Trumpism. It’s policy. Ditto trans folk. You have a prime minister who would never accept these attacks– or attacks on women’s, LGBTQ, or refugee rights, or attacks on the environment. That’s not a cute soundbite, that’s Canada’s leadership and we have the direct opposite.

            Please consider that it’s not fawning: it’s hope that our government might actually be sensible one day. It’s reminding us of how far we have strayed from the modern world.

            Read as Canada’s scraps of modernism would be our dream right about now.

          • Publius

            I do see what you’re saying and I appreciate your thoughtfulness and civility — I truly mean that. I simply think that Canada is better than having a PM who can get away with ethical lapses, because he’s not as bad as DJT. We should all strive to resist apologetics for ethical failures even, and especially, when the politician in question is one we like.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            I agree: He should have met with the commissioner and I have no idea why it’s such a big deal with him as to why he won’t. That is not acceptable and is not, as has been noted, what Canada stands for or his government. And I also think that, if I am correct, Canada’s policy on refusing those who asking for asylum who have been first refused by the US is also wrong. I believe that he said he was also going to revisit that. And I don’t see how the needs for the First Nations are being considerably met (I know, not unique to this government.)

            It’s just that I wish that those were our concerns. Instead, we have a crazy fascist.

          • Kruhn

            The fact that a credit card scandal is a major issue in Canada, while you beknighted and obstreperous cousins to your South are dealing with a serious constitutional crisis that might prove beyond the abilities of our Constitution, shows the magnitude of levels of difference between the two. True, I don’t think you should back off from demanding that Justin Trudeau comply with Canada’s clean government laws and things that look small end up bringing down governments. However, at this phase, Canada’s situation with credit card payments is a mere headache compared to the expanding gangrene that is threatening vital organs and no one is treating that is currently affecting your neighbors to the south.

            And one more thing, yes Justin Trudeau is a politician like every one of the world leaders we fawn over or despise. I don’t expect sainthood from them, just good governance. Will they screw up and have pecadilloes? Yes. Will they have moments of weakness or outright stupidity? Yes.

      • Hue-Man

        The U.S. is experimenting with a non-politician; how’s that working out for the world?

        Plus he’s raising the bar for all politicians; this ahead of last weekend’s Halifax Pride:

        But Trudeau added he’d like to be the last “first” prime minister to attend Pride.

        “[I’m] very much looking forward to getting that over with, so there aren’t any more ‘firsts’ and that it just be expected that politicians of all different parties, including prime ministers, when their schedules allow, march in pride parades across the country,” he said.

        http://globalnews.ca/news/3615981/justin-trudeau-says-pms-should-be-expected-to-march-in-pride-parades/

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        He hasn’t met with the Ethics Commissioner.

        Ours fired anyone and anyone who disagrees with his ethics, even when they are unlawful. And if he can’t fire them, he forces them out. And if he can’t force them out, he makes their lives’ hell. And if not, he makes them regret taking a position in government. And then he insults them and wants to have them “roughed up, for their own good.”

        He didn’t have a meeting with a commissioner.

        • Publius

          Maybe he didn’t. But the problem people had with his responses is he didn’t actually deliver a substantive one saying so. His reaction to the question, posed 18 times, was arrogant and symptomatic of a politician a bit too comfortable with himself.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            I agree: He screwed up there. He has apologized in the past. He should have done so then and said “I will meet with her immediately.” It came across as slimy and underhanded and he should be better than that.

            Again, in this case, it’s envy. Can you imagine Trump’s response?
            PS: If you don’t mind me asking, where are you in Canada?

          • Publius

            LOL Trump would find a way to blame Hillary Clinton. But we all know that Trump knows the best people, and he would give the most presidential response in history.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Very true.

            Completely O/T: Do you happen to know much about the universities in Toronto by chance? Asking for a family member.

          • Publius

            To answer your other question, I’m actually not Canadian. I split my time between Seattle and Vancouver. I’m just a Canadaphile. But I do plan on immigrating next year to attend law school either at UBC or U Toronto.

            Two of my best friends both went to U Toronto. I’m more familiar with their law faculty, not so much undergraduate programs, but I do know it’s a great school. Canadian universities don’t really compare themselves to eachother like American ones. They’re all considered high quality.

          • yes b’y

            Osgoode Law School is actually at York University.

          • Publius

            Yeah absolutely. York and UT each have their own law faculties. I’ve had my eye on UT.

          • yes b’y

            U of T great!

          • craigbear

            I live in Toronto and could probably help out if you have some questions…

      • Strepsi

        No, Publius, no –– your “just another politician” post reminds me of the “Trump and Hillary are just the same” that caused HUGE trouble. He may be a politician – disingenuous, promise-breaking, more in the pocket of corporations than we would like (and in some cases are going to accept) – but it’s NOT the same as Trump.

        Justin may be a pretty, fluffy stool, and Hillary may be a turd, but they are a FAR cry from Trump, who is explosive, C-difficile-infected diarrhea. The former is par for the course, the latter possibly fatal.

    • Anastasia Beaverhousen

      Now my panties are really moist…..

  • Talisman

    I guess that eliminates him from the Presidential succession queue.

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    One major problem with throwing red meat: sometimes it leaves blood on your hands.

    Trump is clearly trying to support his wacko base. He may have gone too far when he attacked vets. The spin will sadly not be on trans rights but instead on vets and troops at least at first. But the damage will be done by doing so. And, shocking no-one, his usual tacky tweets for a policy announcement. Typical. Next up: Leaving NAFTA—with emoji flags!

    • leastyebejudged

      His base hate LGBT people. This appeals to it halfway, they want us ALL out of the military. They want to end our marriages, they want us fired from our jobs, and they want us to “disappear”. Even if they mouth supportive things, their actions indicate that they are snakes in the grass. They’ll pretend to be our friends, butt they’ll always let us down, they’ll always employ someone else to do their dirty work while they look you in the eye.

  • Leo
    • kcken

      Like morals, they don’t have any capitol either.

      Fuck this whole family of con-artists.

      • Hank

        No surprise, look up Jared’s father’s history!!! It truly runs in his family!!!

      • Ranger One

        You need look no further than his smirk. Snark, asshole brat.

    • Talisman

      Jared is afraid that there’s a trail of lube leading back to him.

      • Anthony Rivera

        Ouch! 🙂

        • Linda Lewis

          He said there was lube! 😉

    • Translation: They both know they’re in deep legal shit and have really no time to spend on anything but figuring out how they don’t go to jail.

      Plus they were never sincere about caring about anybody but themselves.

      • Jonathan Smith
        • bkmn

          I would love to know why the woman that was representing Jared stepped down as his attorney.

          • My theory is the usual one for why an attorney will drop a client in the middle of something: When the client keeps lying to said attorney. Something like maybe:

            “Okay, this is the 3rd amended version of your SF-86. Did you leave off ANYTHING? Any meetings? Any financial dealings or relationships?”

            “Nope! We’re all good.”

            …next day, WSJ runs report Jared owes more than a billion dollars to foreign banks & investors…

          • Jeffrey

            Never lie to your attorney

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        • Mark McGovern

          Yeah, how is that new Middle East peace accord coming anyway? It should be a relatively straight forward process if you just run it like a business. Right?

    • BobSF_94117

      “… overlooked, if not overruled…”

      -ed

    • coram nobis

      Spent elsewhere? Like how to get a loan to cover the 666 Fifth Avenue property? Like how to get more emoluments from their friends in Russia? How to get a new clothing factory in Zimbabwe or Nigeria? Those children don’t work the looms for nothing you know — even pennies a day add up.

    • TK

      The interesting part is what is said after the highlight. What they said doesn’t fucking matter.

  • JoeMyGod
  • Paula

    What universe is this? I think I woke up in an alternate one.

  • Tiger Quinn

    Methinks that Hatch has already been informed that he will be President by next year.

  • kcken

    Trump is so horribly bad, that even staunch GOP members are free to fight him in the press. Ah-mazing!

  • HZ81

    Fuck you. So over after-the-fact GOP bravery John McCain showed us the results of that yesterday.

    Fuck you and all of your enablers.

  • JoeMyGod
  • Lazycrockett
    • I’ve seen turbine blades like that on I-40, usually heading east to Texas. They’re huge.

  • Butch

    We raise chickens and I always thought Orrin Hatch would be a good name for one of the roosters, but….
    Is this, weirdly, the issue where Republicans decide they’ve had enough of Trump?

    • ‘The issue’? I kind of doubt it. But this is indicative that the GOPer establishment is growing tired of his needlessly disruptive and divisive bullshit.

      • Butch

        I guess I should have slowed down in writing my comment. I didn’t think this would be THE issue, but it does seem like the GOP is getting tired of his distractions.

        • Not at all, Butch! It’s worth discussing because for the GOP leadership to react like this does mean something. And it means they’re tiring of his insane and distracting antics.

          From the GOP viewpoint, the WH ought to be leading and laser-focused on their healthcare “kill Americans” ACA repeal bill. Instead, Donald does this.

    • kcken
    • craigbear

      Probably not the issue itself, but (especially given the apparent lack of actual consultation with the Pentagon) I can see this at least contributing to the general aura of overreach.

    • canoebum

      They knew he was a lunatic when they gave him the nomination. They don’t give shit. As long as they can give the 400 richest families in the country a multi-million dollar tax cut year after year, it’s all good.

    • Derrick Johns

      Oh, I think it’s better for the hen. You’d say to her, orrin you ready to lay and hatch, Miss Bessie?

  • Max_1
  • Gigi

    But Twinks For Trump said he’d be the most pro-LGBT president in history!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/63e18a29a81afc5f41b775d9d06533fe956ca17102bef62688c6873bdaf3c819.jpg

    • Twinks for Trump and Trump’s “friends” and family all share one trait. Gold digging.

  • Michael R

    NPR just said there are 5000 transgender people in the
    military and reserves , I hadn’t heard a number .

    • coram nobis

      Do they have a roster? If not, it means a witch hunt.

    • thom

      Actually 15,000 making them the worlds largest employers of trans people

      • Michael R

        I see this from TIME

        There is no official or exact figure for how many transgender people serve. But the 2016 RAND study estimated that between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender service members are in the active duty military, while between 830 and 4,160 members are in reserves duty. RAND based its study on data from previous research, and estimated midrange figures of 2,450 transgender people in active duty and 1,510 in reserves. There are about 1.2 million active duty military service members overall.

        http://time.com/4874380/donald-trump-military-transgender-how-many/

        • thom

          Hmmm… literally every organizations have stated 15,000 current members with many more vets.
          aclu, glaad, hrc etc

    • leastyebejudged

      The number I have from network news is under 2,500 active duty.

  • unsavedheathen

    That’s slamming the President?

  • thom

    Great timing, Mr. President. “On this day in 1948, Truman desegregated the military” https://t.co/DThcb39yQ5

    • Gustav2

      Fug.

    • matrem

      Don’t worry: Trump will tweet to resegregate the armed forces shortly.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    Now she’s surprised that he lies….

    https://twitter.com/Caitlyn_Jenner/status/890254837257981952

    • Boreal

      She’ll still kiss his orange ass and vote for him again.

  • coram nobis

    What he could also say is, “I look forward to getting much more information and clarity from our military leaders about any military policy generated on the basis of a tweet.”

  • Jay Mills

    Oh PLEASE let’s just stop giving Republicans (like McCain and others) a platform to state their “independent thinking” when we all know it’s just a fucking sham.

  • The_Wretched

    I’m surprised and pleased by Orrin on this one. However, I’d like to know why he’s making a point. Is it that he is just tired of the WH making policy via tweets? Historically, a policy change like this would get input from the House, Senate, Armed Forces etc.

  • bkmn

    Nice of him to take time away from taking supplement money.

  • Boreal
    • Gustav2
    • coram nobis

      What’s the Pentagon going to do if Donald tweets a DEFCON 3?

      • Gustav2

        Go thru regular channels looking for an adult to confirm.

        • coram nobis

          The Russkies also monitor Donald’s Twitter account, no doubt.

      • Natty Enquirer

        They’ll tweet back and ask for the encryption key, naturally.

    • Apparently it was a tweet out of nowhere. No prior discussion or anything. I’m guessing he read something and decided to react without thinking, like always. Red meat for his base, at the expense of a highly oppressed minority.

      • Gustav2

        You mean the Religious Right who love them some Beauregard.

      • TexasBoy

        It was ordered by Putin.

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    Soon [Trump]’ll surely be in Hell, but not soon enough.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUyjT8VpwMI

  • thom

    Thanks Susan Sarandan

  • TexasBoy

    Trump, you know you’ve gone too far when a conservative Mormon thinks you’ve gone too far.

  • Sporkfighter

    Orrin Hatch is a little late getting on the equality bus.

  • coram nobis

    So it’s back to the advice SLDN and Palm Center gave before the ban lifted. If you’re questioned, don’t admit anything, don’t sign anything, get a lawyer.

  • Treant

    Planning on doing anything about it? No? Then STFU, I don’t want to hear from you.

    • Gustav2

      You take military personnel issues away from Congress and you will get a fight.

      • Treant

        We’ll see. So far, they’ve backed down like good puppies.

  • edrex
  • TCinBerkeley

    What kind of miserable fuck do you have to be for McCain and Hatch to call you out for meanness/pettiness?

  • Hank

    Who is THIS man and what have they done with the REAL Orrin Hatch???

    • jerry

      He must also be going through some brain-related trauma issues.

  • Mike

    These scumbag Republicans always want to have it both ways: make sure a despicable bill is signed into law or have the orange pig sign an edict, and then lament the bigotry and racism of it because they, the scumbag Republicans, are better than that. No, they’re worse. They’re hypocrites.

  • The Milkman

    You know you’ve stepped into bizarro world when Orrin Hatch is made to sound reasonable regarding transgender issues.

  • Benji

    Um, didn’t he and McCain vote for DADT (1993) and against the repeal of DADT (2010)? They clearly draw a distinction b/t LGB and T and are far more favorably inclined towards the latter.

  • Okay, Hell has officially frozen over.

  • thatotherjean

    Orrin Hatch said what? Is the devil wearing ice skates? Wow. I didn’t know old Orrin had it in him. Good for him!

  • Thank you, Mr. Hatch

  • whollyfool

    ORRIN HATCH???

    It’s good news but I don’t know how much longer I can take this Bizarro world we’re in.

  • Rocco

    Orrin Hatch is upset? Orrin Hatch?!? I must have slept through a few things…

    • The New Paige Turner™

      You mean “President Orrin Hatch”

      Given whats happening in the WH at the moment and just how many Republicans are involved he is likely to be the next commander in chief.

  • leastyebejudged

    that cracking sound – that was hell freezing over.

    grab yer ice skates, Edith !