BRITAIN: PM Theresa May Suspends Tory MP After She Drops The N-Word In Public Discussion About Brexit

The BBC reports:

A Conservative MP has been suspended from the party after it emerged she used a racist expression during a public discussion about Brexit. Anne Marie Morris, the MP for Newton Abbott, used the phrase at an event in London to describe the prospect of the UK leaving the EU without a deal.

She told the BBC: “The comment was totally unintentional. I apologise unreservedly for any offence caused.” The Conservative Party later confirmed she had had the whip withdrawn. Announcing the suspension, Theresa May said she was “shocked” by the “completely unacceptable” language.

More from HuffPost UK:

Anne Marie Morris, MP for Newton Abbott since 2010, made the astonishing remark while discussing what financial services deal the UK could strike with Brussels after 2019. Despite using the racist term, none of her fellow panelists, including Tory MPs Bill Cash and John Redwood, reacted.

After saying just 7% of financial services in the UK would be affected by Brexit, Morris said: “Now I’m sure there will be many people who’ll challenge that, but my response and my request is look at the detail, it isn’t all doom and gloom. “Now we get to the real n****r in the woodpile which is in two years what happens if there is no deal?”

  • Tiger Quinn

    Good lord, I haven’t heard that expression since I was a kid – we came to the States in 1980 from Kilkenny. Wow.

    • theonlyseven

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    • ChrisMorley

      Newton Abbot is in dozy rural Devon, where they have wood piles and Cream Teas, but it’s hideously white.

  • Treant

    Oh, my. Well, at least England still suspends MPs who offend everybody in sight. ‘Round here, we make them President, cabinet members, and Supreme Court “justices.”

    • WitlessProtection

      I would be funny if it weren’t true.

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  • The_Wretched

    Amazingly enough, I never accidentally say things in public that I never say in private.

    • Todd20036

      I can honestly say I’ve never accidentally denigrated black people in public, either.

      • BEARY FLINTSTONE

        SARCASM?

  • TampaZeke

    She must represent the Mississippi constituency of England. I used to hear that nasty expression all the time growing up in Mississippi. I’m shocked to hear that a British MP would use it. It just goes to show that Conservatives are the same the world over.

    • Treant

      My college roommate freshman year was from Texas. Being a complete ass, he said (in front of a work crew), “In Texas, we’d get a bunch of n*s to dig that ditch.”

      Abject shock from our group, but the supervisor said, quite loudly, something along the lines of, “In Pennsylvania, we bury assholes in ditches and nobody ever finds them.”

    • It is not just used for black people there, but also for people from South Asia. Racism is different there.

      • BEARY FLINTSTONE

        Still racism

      • juanjo54

        True but it is still based on a perceived difference between people based on skin color.

    • Derrick Johns

      It’s the Trump Era. We’re well into it now.

  • Someone used that word at our company (a well known consultancy) in London 10 years ago — a British Vice President. I could not believe it. When I asked him about using that word (he said that it was used in Britain), I said it was completely inappropriate — I was not a VP btw, just a Research Director. I asked him not to use it at work because it was offensive (I was red). He got the message. I also heard it used in South Africa by some white people — they were speaking Afrikaans. They were upscale. I asked someone about it and they said that that language was not to be used in public in South Africa these days either.

    • JWC

      Just watch old movies Racial slurs abound

      • JerryRich

        Milder forms of slurs were often used, Gone with the Wind (1939) used “darkies”.

        Edit. The NAACP was on top of this back in the day.

        • JWC

          and war references to Germans itallians and Japanese

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Blah.

  • Henry Auvil

    She should have said “pollywog in the woodpile.”

    • Elsewhere1010

      Or “clabberface in the woodpile”.

  • Darrel Cj

    If someone can say something like that in public, it is very suggestive of what their private conversations are like.

  • SoCalGal20

    OT but Rachel and Lawrence are going to be Must See TV tonight, for sure. I can’t wait!

    • JWC

      oh Honey you knows it!

  • JWC

    Old( and unacceptable) expressions dir hard

  • Elsewhere1010

    A question for those with more British etymological knowledge than I’ve got.

    I’ve been told the n-word originally referred to Indians, but is that still the case or does it now refer to black men and women as well?

    • clay

      Some British consider southern Italians to be “darkies”, too.

    • CJAS
      • Elsewhere1010

        It may well be, but it was used by W.S. Gilbert in the Mikado’s song in 1885. (The replacement lyrics read, “is painted with vigour”.) I was told it was another case of Americans and Brits using the same word but with a different (but still pejorative, obviously) meaning.

        • Dazzer

          I’ve only ever heard it used about black people, rather than South Asians.

          However, the n-word only relatively recently (1960s onwards) used in a derogatory fashion. Before that, it was a relatively anodyne word in the UK. And it was used more from the description of ‘negri’ as black rather than a catch-all term to describe people. So it wasn’t unusual for British people to call black cats or dogs or crows the n-word. But it wasn’t meant perjoratively – it was just a description of colour.

          Because the word was adopted as an insult by far-right organisations in Britain, its use as an insult was condemned by the rest of society and by the mid-70s you’d never here on TV or radio (except in a drama – where the person using it would be singled out as a bad character).

          As it stands at the moment, there is still a lot of debate around use of the word in a significant academic or journalistic context. There’s still debate about when to use the full word and when to use the n-word.

          Take for example today’s Guardian. In the rolling news, the journalists adopted the ‘n-word’. However, in the specific article on the matter, the editorial line was to have the whole word written out.in reported speech, but only using the ‘n-word’ in editorial describing the event.

          • Piet

            As a descriptor, it was used historically to label a particular shade of brown used in house decoration.

          • barrixines

            I don’t think it was even really the insult of choice with racists in Britain. I can think three words – “wog”, “coon” and then possibly because of TV the stand in for it “nignog” that carried far more cultural weight in Britain. I think the debate about the word was far more influenced by the American discussion than actual reflection on its racist use in Britain.

  • safari
    • JWC

      keep’em dumb pregnant on the farm where they can’t hurt themselvres (or us) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa22bcee75bdaeb177d9c20337aa294452b453579efd2468f693fb5f17a1749c.gif

      • Todd20036

        And less than 6 months in, those are the only people who still like him.

        • JWC

          I really feel as a unit the GOP supports #45 but polled individually many are less than 50% sure

    • clay

      School vs. Church
      News vs. Investment and Insurance Companies

    • Well, what do you expect after this John Cena promotion video for the academic powerhouse that is the University of Alabama?
      https://youtu.be/Yrrj0076E9U

      • The Milkman

        Sigh. John Cena. I’d hit that like Ike hit Tina.

        • TrueWords

          I would rim that like a Les Schwab mechanic…

      • safari
        • He is too comfortable with his weenis to be 100% straight. It is a generalization but I think I know the type.

          • safari

            He’s got a gay brother, that might help.

          • Todd20036

            Anyone who’s that appreciative of his own physical appearance may not be gay, but he’s gay enough to be turned onto himself.
            Also, whether gay or not, he gets it. ANd that’s good enough for me

          • Acronym Jim

            The completely shaved pubic area may also be an indicator.

        • BobSF_94117

          A hand towel? Amateur.

        • Todd20036

          What a vain piece of meat.
          I like him!

          • If I looked like that, I’d be that vain too.

        • JT

          Someone forgot to finish drying you off. You need to use a lot of friction to get the job done right.

        • Kruhn

          Swoon! He can pin me down anytime.

      • TrueWords
    • CJAS

      When your unearned social status is being challenged by lawyers and activists I can see how one might come to that conclusion.

    • Clive Johnson

      Thanks for posting that. I just sent off that chart to a bunch of people. Astounding!

      More and more the GOP and the conservative movement seem like some crazy cult to me.

    • Blake J Butler

      Duh!

      Poor, dumb, throw in some backwoods christianity, and then you have the willfully retarded trump voter.

  • Pollos Hermanos

    “She said the new sheriff is near”

  • Clive Johnson

    Conservatives practically can’t help it–it’s who they are, it’s what makes them tick.

  • Jonathan Smith
  • Lumpy Gaga

    Knightsbridge tart in the whorepile.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly
    • Kruhn

      So a bear sees an all you can eat buffet and it says “don’t mind if I do”, and now they’re going to kill– err euthanize– him? You’re killing a bear for being a bear, how classy!

  • Question: In Sydney if some blonde thing walks up to you and says that they fancy a “big wog” for the evening, is that equivalent to being called a racial insult? I never considered myself a racial minority in the USA but I guess in Australia I am a “big wog”.

    • Jonathan Smith

      but your a sexy “big wog”, so is that alright?

    • Treant

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog

      It’s considered a racial insult. The usage, in this case, is kind of ambiguous, so I guess you could take it either way.

    • JWC

      I could be wrong but doesn’t the term “wog” refer to either a Wesrten oriented gentleman or a western Orient gentleman

      • There is no way I am a blonde surfer type, so there goes that!

        • JWC

          Ya the term I believe was Victorian British where he got terms of POSH and other snobby terms

    • barrixines

      A wog in Australia refers to a Mediterreanean type. I think it’s so diffused now – if you’re Southern European, Mediterranean or Middle Eastern that I am not sure if racist is the right word. I know there are plenty of Aussie blokes who would self identify as wogs. Not a word I care for but that’s because I have the British English meaning of it in my head.

    • In colloquial Australian, “Wog” is slang for a person of Greek extraction. It is one of those words (like “queer”) that is acceptable for people so described to use among themselves — a TV comedy show called Wogs Out of Work was a big hit, especially among the Greek community, a few years ago — but not, normally, for anyone else. And certainly not by a journalist or a Member of Parliament.

      (BTW, the polite US custom of hyphenated names for ethnic communities and their members — “Greek-American”, “Irish-American” etc — is seen in Oz as distinctly patronising. One is not a “Greek-Australian”: one is both Greek and Australian, simultaneously, and one may call oneself either, depending on whether one is speaking of one’s nationality or one’s own heritage. But then we pride ourselves on being a multicultural society.)

      In the instance you describe, I think a glint of lust in the eyes would make the difference. Unless you consider the stereotype of Greek men being strong, handsome and virile to be insulting, consider yourself flattered.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Call a spade a spade.

    I’d call this out and forgive this. I think a lot of phrases like this are in our lexicon due to parental use which we’ve taken for granted. All too often, we repeat vulgar things like this without ever taking the time to understand, and confront, their root.

    • The Milkman

      This is true, and we learn that those things are offensive as we get older. But honey… the n word? Come on. We all know what that word means, and that it’s never okay. I think it’s reasonable to expect an MP to know this as well. Hell, you know it’s bad when American conservative politicians appear more sensitive by comparison.

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        See my reply to Reality.Bites. It sums it up. And just to be sure, I’m not disagreeing with any of the points that you, Reality.Bites or CJAS have made. Just pointing out why I am willing to forgive in this instance. 😉

    • CJAS

      It seems like forgiveness should be up to those demeaned by it?

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        We are all demeaned, and diminished by it. Further, only I have chosen to forgive her based on my own understanding and personal knowledge. I never said, “we forgive” her.

        Also, don’t mistake my own skin tone as some sort of racial purity. I’m most certainly not Rachel Dolezal. I do have African ancestry and I embrace it because it’s there and it’s a part of the strengths and weaknesses of who I am as a unique person. I’ll never be ashamed of it any more than I’ll be ashamed of my Euro ancestry, and I won’t have either watered down.

        • CJAS

          Are we all demeaned nor diminished by it? I feel neither. I prefer it when people show me who they are. And I choose to believe them when they do. But, I was referring to the people and the country she serves. As for forgiveness, I’ll leave that decision to her black constituents and countrypersons. (And there were two other MPs in the room and their ongoing consent is silence.)

          Sense you brought it into the conversation, having some African genes is not same as lived experience of being black.

    • Reality.Bites

      She’s not in elementary school and this isn’t the 1960s

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        I get it.

        But, it took awhile for me to get some of it out of my vocabulary, and, I’m 52. Some of it like, “call a spade a spade” for example, isn’t even as overt as the phrase referencing the word she used. I’m simply saying it was not necessarily used by her due to malice. It goes back to what I’ve stated countless times before that, we are very much like a computer with bad data. And when bad data gets in there it is often difficult to get out. We don’t have the luxury of reinstalling the entire OS though.

        It should be called out, and she deserved to be censured. But, I do understand where it comes from.

  • Mike

    Saying it was “unintentional” to say the words she spoke, and apologizing for someone else’s offense (or offence, if you like) actually isn’t an apology, it’s an accusation. She either thinks she did something wrong or she doesn’t. She should either apologize for what she did, or don’t apologize if she prefers, and good people will make it clear what they think about it.

    • Kelly Lape

      and if people disagree with you they aren’t “good”

      • Clive Johnson

        You complain about allegedly missing context in your above post, and exclude it when it suits you.

        This isn’t a generic disagreement. You’ve objectively got it wrong. This is justified outrage over something quite specific–highly inflammatory language that typically suggests the person using it harbors racist beliefs or attitudes.

        • Kelly Lape

          Again you attack the messenger. I postulate an idea that you disagree with ergo you must make me out to be evil or vile. It’s a shame that’s all you’ve got.

          • Clive Johnson

            Reread my statement and don’t lie about what I’ve written.

      • Mike

        Right wing cupcakes want more than anything to use nasty epithets for members of minorities and not have a big deal made of it. If that’s their idea of what good people do, they should go for it! Don’t hold back. One of the best things about the rise of the fascists is that it has exposed racists and homophobes, or emboldened them to expose themselves.

        PS, it was not my fault that I used any of those words, and if anyone was offended, that was not my intention. Ha!

      • MonochromeMouse

        99.99% of the world population agree that using racial slurs is morally wrong. That makes those who disagree on that particular subject “bad”.

  • Kelly Lape

    Yes the use of the N-Word is offensive.

    We have several descriptive phrases that incorporate racist images to convey non-racist thoughts. English is an evolving language and this is a case of the language lagging in it’s ability to convey a non-racist thought.

    So instead of examining the meaning of the language used we are concentrating on the singular issue of a word. Implying non-existent content helps no one.

    Placing an offending person on a pile of kindling to burn them from society is where we derive the word faggot. I see nothing to be gained by creating 21st century faggots on the alter of political correctness.

    • Clive Johnson

      Comparing criticism of the user of racist language with the persecution of gays is ridiculous and offensive.

      Sociologically and psychologically we know that someone who uses such language probably harbors racists beliefs.

      • Kelly Lape

        Thank you for attacking the messenger instead of debating the message.

        Are you honestly trying to say that being burned for being gay isn’t the same as being burned for being black? Hate is hate. Using more hate to combat hate seems to me akin to the death penalty. Murder is bad, so if you commit murder the state will murder you…

        • Clive Johnson

          I’ve already dealt with the message–please reread. Just because I reject your reasoning doesn’t mean I’ve ignored the “debate.”

          You commit the logical fallacy of equating criticism of a prejudice with the prejudice itself.

          Edit: You actually go so far as to invent something I never said, which is that “being burned for being gay isn’t the same as being burned for being black?”

    • edrex

      in context, however, the word was used as part of an explicitly racist phrase: “n****r in the woodpile,” which interestingly originated in the US.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_in_the_woodpile

    • Strepsi

      Yeah, but… but…. it’s 2017 and she’s a public speaker, she has had PLENTY of time to figure a different conveyance for her non-racist thought.

  • justme

    The “N” word..
    Isn’t that an American derogatory expression???
    After all Britain never was a part of the American Civil War between the states…

  • ByronK

    This seems to be a problem with the Tories. “The phrase declined in use during the 20th century, and now the occasional use of this phrase by public figures has often been followed by an apology. In July 2008, the leader of the British Conservative Party, David Cameron, was urged to sack Conservative peer Lord Dixon-Smith, who said in the House of Lords that concerns about government housing legislation were “the n****r in the woodpile”. Dixon-Smith said the phrase had “slipped out without my thinking”, and that “It was common parlance when I was younger”.

    How the hell does that word just “slip out”?

    • Kelly Lape

      Because language is learned in our infancy. We use language to convey ideas. Brains are wired in our childhood, as generations evolve so do the meaning of words. Generations are cultural, just as we try to honor cultures from foreign lands we need to acknowledge the cultural difference brought by time.

      • ByronK

        Sorry, I don’t buy that for a second.

        • Kelly Lape

          I’m not selling it.

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        I was brought up in the South and heard that word constantly. Yet I never use it.

        • Kelly Lape

          good for you.

      • Hue-Man

        There’s only one expression from my childhood that I would never allow to “slip out”: “Eeny, meeny, miny, moe, etc.”

      • joe ho

        vocabulary is easily modifiable and in constant flux. it’s very easy to stop saying certain words as culture changes. grammar and syntax rules are less easy to modify.

      • marshlc

        I learned a long time ago to say “Brazil nuts” rather than the term I learned in childhood. And while for the first five years or so I did have to do a little mental “translating” from the language of my youth to the language I use now, eventually the new term took over, and is the first one to come to mind.

        Language may be learned in infancy, but it is used in the present. I don’t call my vulva my “down there” anymore, either, not even in my head.

  • Tor

    The N-word is not a word that just slips out of the mouth of a thoughtful person.

    • leastyebejudged

      Maybe she really does have a problem with people in her woodpile

  • downtownla

    Looks like the anti-gay DUP and the Conservatives are perfect for each other!

  • Dirk Prophet

    “The comment was totally unintentional. I apologise unreservedly for any offence caused.”
    Why can’t conservative apologies without qualifications. How about, “I apologise unreservedly.”

    • BearEyes

      first, you need integrity ….

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    May can’t unseat her though, correct? Isn’t she still the MP for her district even if she’s suspended from the party? Any brits here know?

    • Reality.Bites

      She can’t be removed from office by the PM. Party (not government) rules may allow May to kick her out of caucus permanently or be denied the nomination in the next election

    • Dazzer

      She’s still the MP for her constituency, but she’s been suspended from the party caucus.

      The suspension doesn’t mean much because she’ll still vote the party line anyway.

      If there’s a new general election called and she’s still suspended, her constituency Conservative Party shouldn’t – in theory – be able to nominate her as the official party candidate.

    • Robert Pierce

      She’s now running as an Independent.

      • marshlc

        “sitting” as an Independent.

      • Aron Sasportas

        You may not have seen this (in reaction to one of your posts):

        The British government may make any law passed by the British Parliament
        applicable to any and all of the British Overseas Territories by means
        of an Order in Council from Her Majesty’s Most Honourable Privy Council.

        However, with respect to same-gender marriage, the government of David Cameron notified the government of the British Virgin Islands in January 2014 that it would not seek such an order for that territory (nor did it seek
        one for any of the others); the government of Theresa May has likewise
        refrained from seeking an order; and in light of her lack of interest in
        doing anything substantial for members of the sexual minorities (she is
        no Joseph Muscat) she is unlikely to do so in the future.

        For details of the events of January 2014, see “UK Will Not Force BVI To
        Accept Same Sex Marriage – Governor,” Platinum News, 20 January 2014 (http://archive.is/hHn6d).

        In 2000, the government of Tony Blair did get an order from the Privy
        Council when it decided that all the British Overseas Territories in
        which male-with-male and female-with-female sexual relations were
        prohibited must repeal the prohibition.

        When some territories balked, his government got an order from the Privy Council, Caribbean Territories (Criminal Law) Order, 2000 (dated 13 December 2000), sections 3(1) and 3(7) of which rescinded the prohibition wherever it was still in force in the territories in the Caribbean (by that time,
        the overseas territories elsewhere had of their own accord repealed it).
        The order may be requested from the Archives of the Privy Council
        (http://webarchive.nationala

        The British government (taken in the sense of all the legislative, executive, and judicial organs in Westminster and London) has additional ways of intervening in the overseas territories:

        1) Since the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council has jurisdiction in appeals from the highest court in each of the territories, a same-gender couple denied a license to marry could sue the territorial government in a territorial court and, if later rebuffed by the highest court in the territory, it could appeal to the Judicial Committee.

        2) The constitutions of all the territories having constitutions are subject to the approval of the Privy Council. If one of the territories wrote a constitution with a clause prohibiting same-gender marriage and the British government opposed the prohibition, it could withhold approval in the Council.

        3) Territories having no government of their own, hence no constitution,
        are under the direct control of the Foreign and Territorial Office, which has the power to legalise or criminalise anything it wants to. Such is the case, for instance, of the British Antarctic Territory, the Commissioner of which, Peter Richard Hayes, on13 October 2016 and thereby enacted, with immediate effect, The Marriage Ordinance 2016. For details, see “Report 102 – Same-gender civil marriage in Antarctica as of 13 October 2016” in Equal Human Rights and Civil Rights for All Persons, No Matter Their Gender, No Matter Their Sexual Orientation: An Interpretive Newsletter” (www.humciv.com).

        All the territorial constitutions now have a clause mentioning the right of the Crown to legislate for the territories, for example, “There is reserved to Her Majesty full power to make laws for the peace, order and good government of the Cayman Islands” (Constitution of the Cayman Islands, section 125).

        4) Every territory having a legislature has a Governor, who represents the Crown and has the right to withhold Governor’s Assent from any bill passed by the legislature (territories having no government of their own, hence no legislature, are, as noted above, under the direct control of the
        Foreign and Commonwealth Office).

        5) The British Parliament has the right to appoint a select committee to look into any matter in the territories it deems worthy of examination and to take all measures it deems necessary to change the situation. See, for example, how Westminster dealt with corruption in the Turks and Caicos Islands in
        2008 and with the abuse of children in the Pitcairn Islands during the
        first decade of the twenty-first century (I have forgotten the year).

  • bkmn

    Can we suspend the GOP?

  • Natty Enquirer

    Quite a (deservedly) antique expression. Ted Geisel (“Dr. Seuss”) even used it in a 1929 cartoon.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    While the N-word is incredibly offensive in North America, it doesn’t carry the same weight in Europe. I personally know many POC in London, Paris and Berlin who use the word and have had the word used, without any kind of incident. This is not to say the censure wasn’t warranted, merely to point out that not all words translate. For instance, it’s common to hear the C-word or Twat heard in England, but don’t say Shag.

    • barrixines

      I am not defending here as she would have had to have been living in a box for the past fifty years not to know it’s the kind of language we’ve moved on from. But it’s true it doesn’t carry the same historical significance. It’s a racist word but one of many we no longer use in the UK. It’s elevation to being the most forbidden word of all, is in my opinion, just an adoption of the American context.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        My point exactly. She should have known better.

  • Acronym Jim

    I’m confused. What does Nigel chopping wood have to do with anything? Is he persona non grata after getting Brexit passed?

  • Jacob

    She should have been canned for that financial sector BS. She is wrong but even if she weren’t 7% of hundreds of thousands of jobs is not nothing.

  • JerryRich

    I had no idea the Brits even used that expression, I thought it was all-American.

  • Steverino

    Note the typical non-apology apology: “any” offense rather than ALL offense, or “my offensive remark.”

  • JCF

    She’s just a special (racist) kind of stupid, ain’t she?

  • marshlc

    You know what? When I’m talking, I never inadvertently let that word slip out, and why? Because it’s not the word I use in my head to myself. Same with other derogatory terms – rather than having to clean up a bigoted inner monologue before it hits the open air, I just don’t have a bigoted inner monologue in the first place.

    If you don’t actually think of other human beings as primarily members of a group you have a dirty name for, you don’t have to watch what comes out of your mouth. Doesn’t mean you have to be all namby pamby sweetness and light inside, either; you can still call an asshole an asshole – it’s just a term you apply one at a time according to someone’s actions, rather than to a group because of skin colour or sexual orientation or whatever.

    This is really pretty easy.

  • leastyebejudged

    it’s just a quaint old timey expression

  • I’m going to say what I say every time someone gets caught on video/audio saying that word. I don’t use that word. Not ever. It doesn’t “slip out” when I’m tired or angry or drunk because it’s not a word I use. When someone casually drops a slur like that it’s because they use it sometimes but not in front of a camera or mic and then they act all “I never say that word” and I guess they think we are dumb enough to believe that. Want to avoid this? Stop using that word. Don’t say in private what you don’t want to say in public and these slips won’t happen to you.

  • Nic Peterson

    A Brexiteer saying something that offensive surprises me not at all. In this country we call them Mr Presidunce.