CHINA: Following Gay Content Web Ban, Communist Youth League Declares Homosexuality To Be “Normal”

What’s On Weibo reports:

Over the past few days, discussions about homosexuality are all over Chinese social media. On Friday, the China Netcasting Services Association issued new criteria to strengthen regulations over online audio-visual content on Chinese platforms.

One of the new regulations regarded the removal of online content that “displays homosexuality”, grouping homosexuality together with incest and sexual perversity as an “abnormal sexual behavior.”

The new rules sparked outrage among Chinese netizens throughout Friday and Saturday. Thousands of people spoke out against the new rules on Weibo. Late Saturday evening, the official account of the Communist Youth League posted the following message:

“Homosexuality is not a mental illness. In 1990, the World Health Organization (WHO) removed homosexuality from their list of mental disorders. It has been acknowledged by the international medical world that homosexuality is not a disorder. In 2006, the Declaration of Montreal has proposed the observation of May 17 as the International Day Against Homophobia. They called attention to homophobia, discrimination of gay people and unfair treatment. Remove your prejudice, you can do it!”

Founded in 1920, the Communist Youth League presently has 110 million members.

NOTE: Weibo is China’s version of Twitter with about 220 million users.

  • bkmn
  • The_Wretched

    I know very little about China, is this normal for the communist youth league?

    • Câl

      This is big (although may not change things for a while)! In order to get anywhere in Chinese politics it helps if you were first a member of the youth league and it is a usual way of getting into the Communist party (which you have to do to become successful in business as well as politics). The youth league don’t often dare to make statements opposed to mainstream party policy but this shows that a large number of them have got used to LGBT people being out and have no problem with us, and not only that but will actually stand up against the government on our behalf, which is VERY brave.
      There has been a gradual shift in social attitudes that I have noticed in the last 10 years since I first visited China. The older generation are slower to change on many issues but at least with religion mainly looked down on by the older people at least there is not that stick to hit the LGBT community with.

      • The_Wretched


      • JD

        My first experience oh China was a 4 day birthday party in Shanghai where the host/bday guy arranged a whirlwind of fabulous spaces, a drag show in one venue with gogo boys on a table, a wonderful dinner in a Japanese restaurant, lounge hopping in the former French Concession, including a stop at a (no longer there) Buddha Bar like space on an old estate, a stop at Eddie’s (also now closed) and lastly a hopping firetrap of a building packed to the gills with dancing gays and lesbians.

        Basically, the Chinese want stability and social order–and family continuity–and that means conformity. So there’s typically less public call for rights (affects perceived social stability) and most marry to produce a child or two to satisfy family obligation. Arrangements between gays and lesbians are common. It is changing, but still being gay is a sign you (and your family) are not putting stability and family first, are choosing not to be Chinese, in essence, hence the secrecy that breeds inappropriate social policy that misses issues like a growing HIV problem.

        That said, our understanding of Chinese relative to their government is way off base. Individuals will successfully fight government on all sorts of issues…and corrupt officials (when caught) are likely to lose their heads.

        • Mihangel apYrs

          HK is my stamping ground where the same social mores exist but are “threatened” by a more “worldly” younger generation.

          • JD

            Whither HK … bizarre electoral system based on some professions granted voting rights, others not, and a lost opportunity to model a SAR by trying to out-mainland the mainland. Still…somehow love it

          • Mihangel apYrs

            the political system under the British was intrinsically corrupt and depending on the generations born before

            (say) 1975 to be so focussed on making money and keeping their families not noticing the Jardines and others were working mainly for themselves with trickle down. True capitalism!

            Those maturing after the Gwailo departed power have seen the wider world.

            I have people I love there. I worry for them

        • Câl

          I quite agree with all you say, particularly the value the Chinese culture places on family and having children. However, as more young people form lives literally thousands of miles away from their parents they can live more openly even if not out to their relatives and can continue the lie of “just not finding the right girl/boy yet”.
          With regard to your last paragraph, there are two things that come to mind: firstly the old Chinese concept of the “Emperor over the mountain” ie central government is so distant for most people and has so much else to occupy itself that the people can do things their own way a lot more than it appears to the outside world who mainly look at Beijing and official statements. The second is that people have learned that they do have more power than they thought and can challenge authority if they believe that they are right. This was officially always true since 1949 but people were too scared to do much until now when they do stand up to corrupt officials or unfair rules and so you now even get protests about things like road building or this challenge to internet restriction that would never have happened 20 years ago.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        Thank you for reporting on this, Câl!

      • Mihangel apYrs

        I believe that with the internet and more mainland students studying abroad, more are seeing “liberal” social behaviour that is no threat to the regime and brings cost free benefits

  • safari
    • The_Wretched

      Feet on the ground matter – endless ‘rallies’ with noone showing up makes me wonder how much of the polling or voting is valid.

      • Tawreos

        Both polls and votes can be done in secret. Showing up at a rally exposes one to the light of day, so the cockroaches avoid them.

    • robindaybird

      Notice the guy in the full suit and trilby? Bet he tries to pick up men in bars by tipping his going ‘M’lord’, probably has a collection of cheapass katana replicas he wants to show off.

      • perversatile

        -and keeps blathering on about an obscure English hair pomade
        as some sort of clumsy enticement to come back to his place.

        • robindaybird

          or about how Derpy Hooves is the bestest pony, I looked again and it looked like the dude’s wearing sneakers with the suit

    • Ninja0980

      LOL, even Brian Brownshirt had more people then these fools did.

    • Bad Tom

      Didn’t really need the four loudspeakers, did they? He could have just raised his voice.

    • Gays for Trump aka Gays with Stockholm syndrome

    • Hanwi

      There are about 13 more people than I expected 😉

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        There’s an argument to be made that they were simply walking through.

        • Jon Doh

          Checking to see if they have any giveaway items like key rings and frisbees.

          • perversatile

            Punch & Pie
            Because everyone likes punch and pie.

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      Still a better turnout than Trump’s inauguration. And, twice as diverse.

  • safari

    I didn’t think dissenting opinions were allowed. China creeps me out.

  • Silver Badger

    If any country should embrace Homosexuality, it’s China. Closely followed by India.

  • The best quote on China is in this clip:

  • JWC

    C’mon China then Russia Next

  • m_lp_ql_m

    So will the ban be removed? Who has more sway, the media, or the communists?

  • Randy503

    Homophobes never learn. By cracking down on gay media, it affirms the fact that gays exist. So for that lonely kid who has no one to talk to, he can read this as say, “this is who I am,” and that is the first step towards self acceptance.

    Furthermore, they have just bought themselves an argument, and the media loves an argument. More articles, more publicity, and more kids seeing photos and realizing that there are plenty of others just like them. Now all they have to do is seek them out.

    Homophobes think that the more bad publicity they can give gays, the more we back down. They never learn that even bad publicity helps the cause.

  • Scribble Writer 🌹 ☭

    hell yeah, communist youth ☭

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Have the new Chinese owners of Grinder weighed in yet?

    • KCMC

      swiping furiously

  • Hanwi

    Good for them, it will get harder to persecute lgbt people around the world as access to information spreads.

  • Gil

    Because 1.371 billion consumers simply isn’t enough to keep an artificially inflated, plastic economy churning along at a profitable quarterly rate…and because heterosexuals can catch same sex attraction when a homosexual sneezes in public.

    • (((GC)))

      Economies predicated on constant growth — right down to money being created by debt and demanding interest — are simply unsustainable on a finite planet.

      • Tor

        May I reuse that sentence? It sums up the current world financial situation perfectly and succinctly. Wall Street is a false economy. It produces no goods and sells no products. It only manufactures money seemingly out of thin air.

        • (((GC)))

          Please do! I don’t have the link handy for an article I vaguely remember, that addresses a more sustainable model for issuing money.

        • (((GC)))

          I found the article I was thinking of:

          To deal with climate change we need a new financial system
          Jason Hickel (The Guardian)

          When it comes to global warming, we know that the real problem is not just fossil fuels – it is the logic of endless growth that is built into our economic system…

          … banks lend out 10 times more money than they actually have…. Banks create [the rest] out of thin air… This accounts for about 90% of the money circulating in our economy right now…. In other words, almost every dollar that passes through our hands represents somebody’s debt. And every dollar of debt has to be paid back with interest. Because our money system is based on debt, it has a growth imperative baked into it…

          …We could… invent a new money system completely free of intrinsic debt… we could have the state create the money and then spend it into existence. New money would get pumped into the real economy instead of just going straight into financial speculation where it inflates huge asset bubbles that only benefit the mega-rich.

          …The responsibility for money creation would be placed with an independent agency that… would be democratic, accountable, and transparent, so money would become a truly public good…

          This is not a fringe proposal. It has been around since at least the 1930s… And this idea is already beginning to gain traction: in the UK, the campaigning group Positive Money has generated momentum around it, building on a series of excellent explanatory videos.

          The idea has its enemies, of course… big banks will no longer have the power to literally make money out of nothing and the rich will no longer reap millions from asset bubbles… But if we want to build a fairer, more ecologically sound economy, that’s a battle that we can’t be afraid to fight.

          (ellipses mine)

          • Tor

            Excellent! Thank you! My cousin who is an organic rancher, thinks the monetary system should be based on the calorie. I can’t explain in depth, but there are enough calories in one gallon of gasoline to feed a person for a week. Compare the price we pay for that one gallon vs. one week’s worth of food.

          • (((GC)))

            I don’t think growers of lettuce and peppers and cucumbers should be compensated so dramatically less than growers of dates and figs and avocados and oranges… but that does give a new perspective on our casual use of gasoline and other fossil fuels!

            “My litmus test is the profligate recreational use of fuel (auto racing, boats, jetskis, etc., etc): no society that is serious about climate change burns fossil fuels for its own amusement.
            –Alan Perlman

            (graphic by Ruth Anthony-Gardner)

  • Blake Jordan

    China has several hundred million people more than it should…

    They should be incentivizing homosexuality, and even giving “grants” to same gender couples to raise the girls that breeder couples don’t want, to handle that massive gender inequality problem!!!

    • Dazzer

      The problem is that China also has a massive HIV+ problem that it’s simply not addressing.

      Public policy varies massively from different provinces, but there’s no overall figures kept publicly. At one stage, the WHO described China’s attitude to HIV as “China’s dirty secret”.

      There’s a massive disconnect in China’s policy when it comes to gay people. It’s an incredibly politicised issue when it comes to public policy.

  • JCF

    It’s almost comforting to see that China has the same generational conflicts (shift!) as we do here.