GERMANY: Far-Right Party Publishes “Death Notice” For Families, Vows To Sue To Stop Marriage Equality

Politico Europe reports:

Germany’s Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) is looking to stop gay marriage in court, the far-right party’s vice chair Alexander Gauland told the country’s largest circulation newspaper.

“We are currently studying a challenge at the constitutional court,” Gauland said in an interview with Bild Zeitung, days after parliament legalized same-sex marriage.

AfD’s internet site features on its front page a death notice, saying “In deep sorrow, we say good-bye to the German family, whose constitutional protection was buried by the ‘representatives of the people’ at the German parliament.”

Instead of condolence notices, the AfD advises Germans to throw out the parliamentarians who voted for equal marriage rights in the upcoming elections.

The AfD currently holds zero seats in Parliament. Its nominal candidate to replace Merkel is Alice Weidel, a homocon Trump fan who is in a registered partnership. She and her partner have two children.

  • Snownova

    She looks like Jany Lynch’s evil twin from the mirror universe…

    • DaddyRay

      The Gaydar is pinging

    • clay

      I was thinking Miss Jane Hathaway’s evil niece from the side of the family that didn’t flee.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    I will never ever ever ever understand how two people in love, two people who’s love will have zero impact on you or anyone else, enrages people so much. It’s pure insanity.

    • I think it can but it doesn’t speak well for the people against gay marriage. Basically the idea that people can be in a relationship regardless of their gender cuts their own relationship to the core because it implies that relationships without consent isn’t a relationship at all and isn’t moral. And many of these homophobes can’t accept that they maybe their relationship borne of coercion through religion isn’t superior. In fact that such a relationship is inferior. So gay marriage affects them because it says that their non consensual relationships where women are forced to men is bad.

      • (((GC)))

        Equal marriage, and full recognition of same-sex relationships, also exposes as false the Dominator Culture ideas that relationships “can’t” be between equals, of whatever gender(s) and orientation(s).

    • Frostbite

      because Jesus.

      • kevway

        Jesus never talks about homosexuality.

        • Correct, and nor do the Ten Commandments. However the Ten Commandments AND the New Testament condemn adultery as a mortal sin that takes you to burn a lake of scalding sulphur for trillions of years. Jesus likened remarriage after divorce to adultery, thereby making it clear that remarriage after divorce is adultery, and you go to hell for it, forever. How many of these posturing ‘defenders of marriage’ are into their 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th marriage? Jesus also railed against hypocrisy and judging others. These folk would do well to put their own house in order before pointing the finger at LGBT people.

          What’s more, there are dozens of mainstream Christian religions and Jewish synagogues that actually DO welcome LGBT people with open arms, with full sacraments including ordination to the clergy and same sex marriage. Their deeply held religious belief deserves every bit as much respect as others who believe differently. They’re all reading different translations of the same Bible, and in the end, there’s no proof any of it is even real.

          • JCF

            “the Ten Commandments AND the New Testament condemn adultery as a mortal sin that takes you to burn a lake of scalding sulphur for trillions of years”

            “The Ten Commandments” (ancient Hebrew POV) really have no concept of Hell (death is sleep, or limbo: eternal life is your descendents). Later Hebrew POV starts to develop a hell—probably in reaction to those conquering Hellenes & Romans (being conquered tends to bring out the “You’ll Get Yours!” vengeance in people). The Early Christians picked up this—but I believe it was they who put “the worm dieth not” hell language in Jesus’s mouth. YMMV.

        • Frostbite

          Yeah. Try pointing that out to the Christofascists, along with their hypocrisy.

        • wds
    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      People who are enraged by homos usually have plenty of other things they are twisted about as well.

      • Todd20036

        Yup. It’s why you always see far right idiots charged with kiddie porn possession, or fraud, or rape, or violence.

        But they think all they have to do is say Jesus forgives them and it’s all better.

        • Elizabethslunt

          our co-worker’s mother-in-law makes $70 an hour at home and she’s been fired from work for 2 months. last month her check was $16084 just working from home a few hours a week.➤ go➤ here
          http://www.GoogleFinancialCashJobs30GreatServices/Home/Wage….
          ❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂::::ja30…

          • (((GC)))

            SPAM SCAM SPAM SCAM SPAM SCAM SPAM
            SCAM SPAM SCAM SPAM SCAM SPAM SCAM
            SPAM SCAM SPAM SCAM SPAM SCAM SPAM
            SCAM SPAM SCAM SPAM SCAM SPAM SCAM

            Reported and flagged.

        • Aracelijshaw

          my co-worker’s step-aunt makes $63 per hour on the internet and she has been out of work for 6 months… the previous month her paycheck was $16832 just working on the internet for four hours every day.. ➤ go to this ➤ site
          ➜➜➜http://www.GoogleFinancialCashJobs87MoneyPress/Home/Wage….
          ❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆❆::::fd87…

      • Bad Tom

        We have seen plenty of trolls here who easily betray that they hate lots of people besides just us homos. We had one recently who let slip his hatred and fear of Muslims.

        They can’t hate just one group not like themselves. They hate everyone not like themselves. Which is most of the world.

      • Philly Mike

        hetero-marriage is the bottom rungs on their ladder of self-esteem and if you remove those rungs these people are left with nothing.

    • Dagoril

      I’ll never get the ones that think that people in a sham relationship, just for the sake of “appearances”, are somehow better off than two people who actually love each other.

    • Nowhereman

      I’ve always wondered if they are some weird kind of jealous. My stepmom talked to me about it late in life. She had terrible luck with men, including my abusive father. She said that she had always wondered if she would have been better off with a woman and that she had always liked her girlfriends better than the boys she went out with. Of course back in the 30s and 40s, the life of a gay person was even harder than it was for me in the 60s and 70s.

      • David Walker

        I’ve often wondered about my mother. She was the dutiful wife and I could not have asked to have been raised better, but she had this one particular woman friend that I’ve always kind of thought…but maybe not, too. The friend was a single, “mannish” biology teacher. They shared a love of animals and birds and would, from time to time, go off to the friend’s cottage. Again, nothing too out of the ordinary. I have my hopes, however.

        • Ray Taylor

          I think it was great your mother felt she could do that. Whatever it was.

    • Steverino

      They hate the positive things that have zero impact on their lives yet act as if their lives will be destroyed because of it, yet love the negative things that may certainly destroy their lives (lack of affordable health care, climate change, regressive taxation, nuclear warfare) but then pretend this will have zero impact on their lives, other than make them gleeful because it “pisses off libruls.”

      Indeed, it is pure insanity.

    • Orly

      Religion?

    • Daveed_WOW

      It doesn’t take much fuel to make that fire roar.

    • Joe

      If we are not being punished for our sin it throws their whole belief system into doubt.
      Their faith is actually very fragile.

      • David Walker

        And their god is really, really small.

  • AfD’s logo is perfect for them… any time I see it, all I can think of is a bunch of dicks.

  • Darrel Cj

    My condolences to anyone so dumb that they actually think someone else’s consensual love diminishes their own.

    • David Walker

      And the leader is in a registered partnership and they have two kids and she’s anti-marriage. Sorry. Does not compute.

      • JCF

        Homocons = Jewish Nazis (or Gay Nazis, for that matter).

  • No More GOP.

    It’s difficult to see how my being allowed to get married impacts heterosexuals or heteronormative families in any way. Are they somehow now less “special” because I gain legal recognition of my familial status? If so, y’all had a pretty weak foundation for your attitudes in the first place.

    • Mikey

      Because it “offends them” to even KNOW that you call your marriage a “marriage”.
      There’s something profoundly broken about these people, both emotionally and intellectually.

      • No More GOP.

        I think I’ll go kiss my husband and cuddle up to him. He’s out doing yard work. My neighbors seem to be utterly unaffected when we do this. Yet I not only get the warm fuzzies of being with my husband, I get the sadistic thrill of knowing that somehow, somewhere, a disapproving homophobe has a notion this is going on and is displeased. Win/win.

        • Ninja0980

          Same here.
          None of our neighbors up and down our street care but the members of the Bapist Church three blocks over do, and there isn’t a damn thing they can do about us or the other same sex couples in the neighborhood.
          Got to love it.

        • Treant

          When you find said homophobe, point out that my husband and I banged for so long and so well last night that I didn’t wake up until almost 1 PM. My calves are still a bit sore, actually, but that just means I need to do more leg work.

    • Snarkaholic

      They hate to see anyone happy…mainly because their religion forbids them from doing (or even thinking about(!) soooo many things.

  • M Jackson
    • Natty Enquirer

      Body Thetans, Tom.

  • Chris Baker

    Is it too simplistic to say the obvious? Even with same-sex marriage, a majority of straight people will still want to pair off and raise a family. That’s the way it has been for thousands of years, even before there was such a thing as a legally recognized marriage by the state. Animals pair off and raise offspring and they don’t have “marriage”.

    On the other hand, easy access to divorce and the loosening of social mores has caused many young people to pair off and raise children without getting married. So one could simply say “the straights started it!”

  • Ninja0980

    Gee… according to posters on The Hill, Mediate etc., only the “evil” Muslims immigrants were against same sex marriage in Germany and were the only ones pushing anti-LGBT shit like this.
    Does appear they were wrong doesn’t it?

    • -M-

      There’s a handful of Muslims in the German legislature, they all voted for marriage equality. [No doubt the right wingers will attribute this to some sinister motive, but still.]

      • scream4ever

        The same was the case in Britain, and seems to be the case in the US as well.

        • -M-

          I know American Muslims are ahead of evangelicals in support for gay marriage, and in fact as support increased in general across religions over time Evangelical support rose to the same level Muslims had passed several years ago.

    • clay

      There’re reasons the Muslims in Germany LEFT Turkey.

      • -M-

        Exactly. And even the ones who weren’t opposed to church state collusion when they left Turkey, you figure they get to Europe and soon start going ‘yeah, this is better. I like this’. It’s bizarre how right wingers think immigrants can’t appreciate American/Western values. Duh, ‘even’ people with funny names or dark complexions like not living in fear of a police state or civil war.

  • Bad Tom

    After marriage equality, the number of people getting married in the USA went up.
    Why?
    More people were eligible to get married.
    Simple as that.

  • barrixines

    Alice Weidel is a Nazi slut*

    *The Hamburg District Court ruled it was ok to call her that.

  • Ninja0980

    One more thing.. NY state passed marriage equality through it’s legislature, just like Germany did.
    The bigots in Germany said if same sex marriages was passed this way, as it was in NY, they would accept it.
    And yet, as in NY, they are suing.
    One might come to the insane conclusion that some folks don’t want any equality for LGBT folks and no matter how the rights are given to them, they’ll still oppose it.
    Crazy thought, isn’t it?

    • Robert Pierce

      So was the UK’s via the legislature. Nobody in Parliament tried to repeal it. Even though just over half of the conservatives voted against it, the then conservative minister, Maria Miller, who took over the reins from Liberal Democrat, Lynne Featherstone who introduced the legislation to the House, threatened to invoke the Parliament Act if they tried anything to stop it from becoming law. They all backed down and it passed with a large comfortable majority in both houses.

  • bkmn

    Here we go again….now we have to eliminate yet another nation in our march to global equality.

  • JTC

    Ah yes, because allowing gays to marry would prevent the hetero Germans from marrying and raising their own families. On another note, I’m fucking fed up with these homocons siding with Fascist parties, betraying us as well as other decent humans in the process.

    • Hanwi

      Just because one is born gay doesn’t mean they were born with empathy, most conservatives lack empathy.

      • The_Wretched

        It’s still a little hard to comprehend since it looks like a bit of a death wish.

        • Karl Dubhe

          If you hate yourself enough, you’re going to have one of those. 🙁

    • Nowhereman

      Homocon means self-hatred apparently.

    • JT

      Homokapos have been used historically by oppressors as gate keepers to sustain oppression and prevent gay people from getting equal treatment. Before there may have been an element of coercion involved, but now they do it to get “approval” because they’ve internalized second class status and yearn to be “accepted” as better than they think they are.

  • Rebecca Gardner
  • Right wing nationalism is no friend to LGBT people. These people believe our body isn’t our own and that the state, through religion, have the rights to control it.

    • Tomcat

      Right Wing Nationalism is NOT a friend of ANYONE that believes in peace and unity.

      • (((GC)))

        Right Wing Nationalism is NOT a friend of ANYONE.

    • Nowhereman

      They believe that we don’t really exist.

  • Max_1

    Our Pink Triangle roots are German born…
    http://www.stop-homophobia.com/gay22.jpg

    • Rebecca Gardner

      …and Black Triangle.

      • Max_1
        • Tomcat

          They also arrested the retarded, but I guess they did not live to get a uniform.

          • coram nobis

            Usually there were separate euthanasia centers under Aktion T4, not the camps as such but part of a different program at places like Grafeneck and Hartheim. William Shirer revealed this activity in his Berlin Diary.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

            It was a count in the Doctors’ Trial indictment after the war, and several doctors were executed.

          • Nychta

            Well, that was chilling. From the article: “Dr. Karl Brandt, physician to Hitler and the head of the Reich Chancellery, Hans Lammers, testified after the war that Hitler had told them as early as 1933—when the sterilisation law was passed—that he favoured the killing of the incurably ill but recognised that public opinion would not accept this. In 1935, Hitler told the Leader of Reich Doctors, Gerhard Wagner, that the question could not be taken up in peacetime, ‘Such a problem could be more smoothly and easily carried out in war.’. He wrote that he intended to ‘radically solve’ the problem of the mental asylums in such an event.”

          • coram nobis

            Dr. Wagner died just before WWII, otherwise would have faced prosecution after. Dr. Brandt was hanged, protesting at his execution that the U.S. had no right to judge him, since the U.S. had originated eugenics (sterilization) and human experimentation, albeit not on the Nazi scale. The Germans did take their inspiration, however, notably from California.

            http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Eugenics-and-the-Nazis-the-California-2549771.php

            Also, German defense lawyers, after WWII, did find some U.S. case law useful to throw in prosecutors’ faces.

            It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U. S. 11. Three generations of imbeciles are enough.

            But, it is said, however it might be if this reasoning were applied generally, it fails when it is confined to the small number who are in the institutions named and is not applied to the multitudes outside. It is the usual last resort of constitutional arguments to point out shortcomings of this sort. But the answer is that the law does all that is needed when it does all that it can, indicates a policy, applies it to all within the lines, and seeks to bring within the lines all similarly situated so far and so fast as its means allow.
            — Holmes. J., majority opinion, Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200, 207-208 (1927), upholding a Virginia statute on forced sterilization

            How’s that for chilling?

          • Nychta

            Thanks for the link. I’d been aware of forced sterilization, but not the connection between U.S. and German eugenicists before WWII and the funding from large U.S. foundations. Very disturbing the things some people can rationalize doing to others.

            I’d just read Joe’s previous post about the Middletown, OH city council member who advocates letting overdose victims die since treating them is getting expensive. Same kind of thinking.

          • coram nobis

            How can the nation which holds the lead in human experimentation in any conceivable form, how can that nation dare to accuse and punish other nations which only copied their experimental procedures?
            — Dr. Karl Brandt, June 2, 1948, at his execution for Aktion T4 among other things

          • JCF

            That’s Oliver Wendell Holmes—usually considered a giant of SCOTUS.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell

          • coram nobis

            That’s right, and it’s as much of a blot on his name as, say, Manzanar is on Earl Warren’s.

        • Maybe someone can hand this out to the Chicago Dykemarch organizers to come up with an acceptable non-threatening symbol chart for Jewish marchers to put on their synagogue flags next June.

    • Nowhereman

      Germans of all people should remember that.

      • Jerry Kott

        They love to Hate

  • Natty Enquirer
  • Ken M

    I pity her kids

  • DaddyRay

    When our side wins it is about Love and Equality
    When their side wins it is about Hate and Discrimination

  • Harveyrabbit
  • coram nobis

    Why does the AfD logo look like an inverted dildo?

    Freud wept.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      LOL!!! Scroll down and look at my tweet to them.

      • coram nobis

        I’m Rorschached! Rorschach to say I saw a spiked dildo in that logo, rather than a dick per se.

        • djcoastermark

          And a bit painful at that.

    • Treant

      Deutschland, Deutschland, bottoms always…

      • Mikey

        Deutschland, Deutschland, unter immer

        • coram nobis

          schtup und drag

  • KnownDonorDad

    Das SADZ!

    • Mikey

      das Traurige?

  • Treant

    ETA: This should have been in the Trump thread. Oops! I’ll leave it here.

    This is a thumb drive, 4 Gb. They cost a couple bucks, they’re given out with corporate logos on them for free. They’re easy to hide, easy to use, and easy to smuggle. There are tens of millions of them, and tens of millions more being produced as we speak.

    Every word of Donnie’s ignorant Tweets can fit on one of these. Along with every recorded word he’s ever spoken, and a good chunk of video of Trump making threats and being ignorant in public.

    Unlike in the past, Little Crazy Donnie’s words can’t be erased, can’t be deleted, and can’t be hidden forever. History will remember because history has no choice in the matter. Every one of us can be a subversive historian just by storing a few of his immortal–and rightfully so–words.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e10301616a29e22f65a6fd120423bab3fe95c9904578afb45efec6156651277a.png

    • Tomcat

      His words are already being saved for posterity by internet organizations, that and MUCH MUCH more.

  • David in Palm Springs

    I’m still waiting to hear how these (so-called) human beings are being personally injured by marriage equality. “You hurt my widdle fee-fees” is not a valid legal argument.

    • -M-

      It’s been sixteen years since the Netherlands legalized same-sex marriage, and these people still act like it’s some radical idea that’s never been tried and who knows what the consequences might be.

      Everyone goes about their lives much like before just a little bit happier and freer and safer on average than before, that’s the consequences.

    • Zeldacat

      Neither is “Ewwwwwwwww!”

  • -M-
  • HZ81

    “In deep sorrow, we say good-bye to the German family, whose constitutional protection was buried by the ‘representatives of the people’ at the German parliament.”

    Aw, well, bye German family! You were nice, but it you’re not strong enough to handle homos and lezzes and their kids living next door, you can go fuck yourself, too.

  • Acronym Jim

    How appropriate that their logo looks like a bedbug’s dick.

  • thom

    OT:// i’ve been stuck at work all day so I missed some of the fun, but has ANY elected official condemned this mornings tweet yet?

    • another_steve

      Mere condemnation of Trump’s tweets and behavior is not sufficient. It’s obvious to anyone paying attention that he’s not going to change his behavior. The man is emotionally unstable. Emotionally ill.

      All congresspeople of good will need to join the effort to have Trump declared unable to hold the Office of the President based on emotional instability — pursuant to the constitutional provisions that provide for the removal of a sitting President based on such an impairment.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        They/We need to cut off his oxygen supply, and for Trump that means cutting off the media coverage. I agree with yesterday’s NRO column that Trump is a severe media addict, a creation of the media, a foe of the media and totally a creature of the media. I’ve noticed recently that many serious European news outlets have stopped covering Trump, except for his more outrageous zany antics, and those just get featured in a little cameo piece way down on the webpage.

        American media should do the same. Just focus on actual laws and policies and don’t even mention him by name. Call them “a directive from the White House” or “a new policy from the administrative branch of the government.” Don’t even print his picture. Cut off his air supply and he will quickly wither and die (i.e., he’ll quit). Trump doesn’t even really want to be President. He just wants to be the center of attention.

        • another_steve

          All well and good, with this exception:

          I’m sure Donald Trump is the best thing that has ever happened to cable news. Ever ever. I understand cable news viewership numbers are up across the board. Donald Trump — vulgarian and clown gangster — is the reason.

          If you own stock in the company that manufactures Cialis, or you are in the reverse mortgage industry, or you are heavily invested in any company that advertises regularly on cable news, you are a fuckin’ millionaire today.

          All thanks to Donald Trump.

        • (((GC)))

          Media should also NEVER carry live statements from the Liar-in-Chief or his spokespeople. Only statements after they’ve been fact-checked.

  • ChrisMorley

    To win any seats in the Bundestag parties have to get at least 5% of the vote.
    The AFD failed to get even that last time.

    To win an anti-marriage case in the Constitutional Court they need evidence and a convincing argument.
    Some experts think the Court would dynamically interprete the German Basic Law to keep up with social attitudes.
    ‘Federal Constitutional Court. In its past judgements it has emphasized that the marriage which is specially protected by the Basic Law (Article 6 GG) is reserved to the union between man and woman. Many constitutional lawyers think that to make possible marriage for all would require an amendment to the Basic Law. For this a two-thirds majority in the Bundestag would be necessary. Homosexual associations, on the other hand, are calling for an attempt to change things without a constitutional amendment. They hope that the judges of the Constitutional Court will interpret the Article of the Basic Law “dynamically”, that is, could adapt it the spirit of times, which stands on the side of equality. This possibility cannot be excluded.’ https://www.goethe.de/ins/in/en/kul/fok/qui/20671419.html

    Spiegel is less optimistic: “In a series of rulings since 2002, the court has taken incremental steps to bring civil unions closer to equality with marriage. But the justices have repeatedly noted that marriage in the sense of the constitution applied only to “a union between a man and a woman for a long-term life partnership.
    The fact that the times have changed does not change this interpretation of the constitution, says former Constitutional Court President Hans-Jürgen Papier. “If people want to open marriage up, then the constitution has to be changed. Simple legislators cannot do so on their own.” http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-gay-marriage-law-could-face-constitutional-challenge-a-1155351.html

    • Mikey

      The concept of “marriage” has no place in a country’s constitution.
      Canada got marriage equality without touching our constitution.

      • Reality.Bites

        The mentions of marriage in Germany’s constitution are for the purpose of specifying that certain forms of marriage that were illegal under the Nazis are legal.

        I’m fairly confident the German court will rule that the mentions of men and women or husbands and wives were made not as exclusive, but merely using the understanding of the time.

        In another sense we did indeed get marriage equality by making a huge change to our constitution. We added the Charter of Rights and Freedoms without which our judges would have had no basis to strike down the old definition of marriage. I suspect we’d only be getting it around now or sometime after Justin’s election.

        • Mikey

          well the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is from 1982. I doubt it was put there FOR marriage equality.

    • clay

      Just as in the US and Latin America, once they open up heterosexual divorce, they’ve lost most of their argument for “a union between a man and a woman for a long-term life partnership.”

  • OdieDenCO

    rainbows exist in the sun. is it not a black day for Germany.

  • i’m sort of floored that the Germans don’t make more fun of her. really, Alice? do you really expect any queer or ally to take you srsly? wow, you must be dumb. shut up and go home and play with your Ilsa pr0n. you’re just, in the word of your esteemed potential boyfriend, “sad.”

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • Gianni

    Fear of change in one’s society and it’s rules is a powerful motivator. It can work like magic if manipulated the right way. We still face it here and it will continue, but it will get better in time. It’s human to fight against change based on that fear. No need for logic or common sense or facts – that takes a lot of thinking and reasoning and possibly realizing that your fear is baseless and you are wrong. No one likes to be wrong. In such instances, we all want someone to tell us we aren’t wrong and that we fight for the good in what we have and believe. Unfortunately, concerning marriage equality and other such social issues, most people want us to stop rocking the boat and step back and remember our place so they can get back to ‘normal life’. It has been the same way with all minority groups when they began wanting the legal and social respect that everyone else has and takes for granted and considers it their own special turf. To me, the lesson is that we have to fight for what we, as equal citizens, deserve – nothing more or less.

  • Rob NYNY

    The announcement also mocks Germany’s new anti-cyberbullying law, comparing it to the old East German secret service and mourning the death of freedom of opinion.

  • JT

    AfD’s internet site features on its front page a death notice, saying “In deep sorrow, we say good-bye to the German family

    There have always been gay German families. They were just denied equal rights before now.

    • clay

      I like how, unlike the US, their neo-Nazis can’t even bring themselves to use ugly language, complaining, instead, about “equal marriage rights”, completely undercutting themselves.

      Maybe it sound worse in the original German.

    • houstonray

      And we say to AfD…Auf Wiedersehen Felicia!

      • KarenAtFOH

        all-feet-are-the-same

  • JohnJay

    Well, at least some Germans have a sense of humor:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZc8tBtIDhI

  • Steverino

    They have forgotten that the last time far-right fascism was utterly destroyed in Germany, the endgame in the Reichsgarten and the bunker below wasn’t pretty.

  • JT

    Alice Weidel should take note of what the Nazis did to Ernst Röhm.

  • glass

    So the bigot nazi party, that no one voted for, wants to stop Same-Sex Marriage. And a lesbian in a civil partnership is one of the two leaders of this amazing party.

    This my friends is called Trump Math. It’s when Crazy and Logic collide in the universe.
    What idiot would ever work to have their own civil rights removed? I’m so over dumb people!

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Badge of Honor!!
      Congrats!

  • Gigi

    WTF is wrong with some people!! How could she be in a relationship with another woman, have two children with her, and be opposed to same-sex marriage?

  • djcoastermark

    O/T, but I couldn’t resist. Guess the guy’s girlfriend ain’t gonna be gittin none anytime soon.. Guy sits on gun and shoots self in penis. http://wfla.com/2017/07/02/police-florida-man-sits-on-gun-shoots-himself-in-penis/

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      He may not be getting any, but that doesn’t mean his girlfriend isn’t.

      • djcoastermark

        Chuckle. Very valid point. In fact, he most likely doesn’t have a girlfriend anymore.

      • ByronK

        I guess his gun was like the one owned by the dude at the anti-fascist rally. They were young guns that would shoot if anyone barely touched them.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Perhaps the ultimate “Florida Man” story?
      Naaah, there have been plenty that are weirder than that one.

      • djcoastermark

        It’s a daily occurrence, opening the paper every morning, looking for the chuckle of the day.

  • Piet

    The terrible fear that someone, somewhere, might possibly be happy.

  • Jerry Kott

    Years go, there was a book I read that reported a study that I recall was done at Harvard. In the study, there was an experiment based on the propensity to follow orders when the orders were disturbing. They divided people in groups sometimes based on National DNA. What was discovered was that Germans had the highest propensity to follow orders without questioning the morality of the order-blind allegiance?

    • coram nobis

      You may be thinking of the Milgram study at Yale.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

      There’s also the Stanford prison study, somewhat analogous.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

      In both cases, the original test participants seem to have been Americans.

      • ByronK

        Yes, I don’t know of any scientific tests regarding obedience that used DNA or nationality (which do not always correspond). Here is an interesting article from The Atlantic regarding the Milgram study and how it is being reexamined. It seems to raise a question about what influence his background as a child of immigrant Jews might have had on his work.

        https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinking-one-of-psychologys-most-infamous-experiments/384913/

        • sfbob

          Before anyone reaches to a conclusion about the Atlantic piece, the point is not that Milgrim’s experiment was fatally flawed or that it didn’t prove anything. The article suggests that Milgrim’s research remains important but the conclusions Milgrim reached were a leap beyond the evidence. What’s questioned is not the validity of Milgrim’s research so much as the meaning of it.

          • ByronK

            It does suggest that there were problems methodologically but it has also been repeated so often after the original. It almost feels like the studies are attempting to answer whether evil exists which is nonsensical on one hand and yet very real on the other. What does cause people to act in such a manner.

      • Jerry Kott

        I can’t remember if the study had a name and I can’t remember the title of the book, it may have been “thoughts without thinker”. I do recall in the book it said that Women make better combat pilots.

        • coram nobis

          Someday they should make a movie about the Night Witches, the Soviet women pilots in WWII.

  • Kruhn

    Hey Alice! If you think being leader of the AfD protects you from your bigoted enemies, may I introduce guy Ernst Rohm, head of Hitler’s SA and a big old nancy queen like the ones you want to deny marriage. You do remember what happened during the Night of Long Knives? You and your girlfriend may be all for traditional marriage while being lesbians, Alice. You might want gloves with extra grip as you ride that tiger.

    Sow the wind, Alice and you might get a bloodsoaked whirlwind. Your followers must be extra stupid or extra delusional. And If our brand of deplorables are a guide without the object lesson of World War II and the ravages and destruction that the deluded leader brought to your Fatherland, then your band of deplorables might not bat an eye on the events that happened over this weekend in 1934.

  • Adam Stevens

    Um, yah. And WE’RE the drama queens.

    • djcoastermark

      Well, I was in drama club in high school…….

      • ByronK

        As was I, and then a professional queen for a while but I prefer to make a living wage. It just wasn’t in the cards for a character actor in his 20s

  • djcoastermark

    Hmm, I’m confused and had to double check. Still not sure. Is that a picture of milo yappadoodle?

  • Sam

    I despise self-hating homos.

  • zhera

    Waitwaitwait.

    So a lesbian woman, with a partner and two children, is AGAINST equal marriage and claims it will destroy ‘the family’, and she will fight it in court?

    • David Walker

      You noticed that, too?

      • zhera

        I’m amazed at how illogial humans can be. She might as well fight against the right to breathe oxygen, considering her mental abilities.

        • A lot of people will do anything for power. Ultimately, I think she’s nothing but a powerless facade to give them the excuse of “but we don’t hate gays”, and she accepts it because it’s better than nothing and she really doesn’t care much about others.

        • David Walker

          Being against the right to breathe (clean) oxygen is current a US thing, but give it a chance. It’s one of those things that can’t help but be exported.

    • fuzzybits

      Real self loathing in that one.

  • David Walker

    OT, but I’m coming up on the end of the first year without Jack, after being together for 37 years. We decided not to get married because of the cut in his SSI monthly income, which we both somewhat liked because it meant that marriage equality really was equal…that we’d have to continue to shack up, but to shack up for the same reason as Gramps and that woman he lives with.

    No one has ever convinced me (although god knows a few have tried) that what Jack and I created, lived, shared, enjoyed was not a marriage. We were committed to each other, supported each other, loved each other, made life good for each other. We couldn’t imagine life without the other. Now I have to live it.

    Were we husbands? Lovers? Sharers of our ups and downs? I think so, by any criteria. When someone said we didn’t raise children we’d point out that if we were straight and married we still wouldn’t have children. Besides, we had cats.
    We LGBTQs are both different from yet every bit as human as those who like throwing obstacles in our way. I think it makes us better…or it kills us.

    Jack died unexpectedly July 15 last year. I miss him terribly. Please try to do us three favors. 1. Have The Conversation about what your partner wants as far as his final wishes are…do not resuscitate or heroic measures; burial or cremation; organ/skin tissue donation. You’d surprised the pressure that takes off you at the most horrible time of your life. 2. Let your loved one know you how much you care for or appreciate him or her every day. 3. Tell her or him the depth of your love because one day that will be taken from you.

    Let us marry. Don’t let us marry. Treat us as equals. Treat us as less. It does and doesn’t matter. What matters is that somehow in this completely nuts and random world you found each other. Please celebrate that every day.

    • coram nobis

      Points all well-taken, and I have followed them. I am sorry for your loss.

      Let me add to everyone else:

      1. If you are married, the law now presumes marital, automatic right of inheritance (intestate succession), as well as community property rights, child custody and parental rights, medical decisions in hospital and other presumptions under family law that come with marriage. It’s an incentive to marry, esp. if you have property and/or kids in common. Even then, you should still each write wills.

      2. Also leave letters of instruction on matters like disposition of your remains, funeral wishes, and other things not covered by formal wills.

      3. As for resuscitation, medical decisions and hospital matters, as well as caretaking, you probably still should have powers of attorney for each other.

      • Silver Badger

        Power of attorney ends at death. You need a will naming your partner as executor as well.

        • coram nobis

          Power of attorney is for the hospital stay, medical decisions and stuff.

          • Silver Badger

            Yes it is. However, it never hurts to be prepared. I speak from sad experience.

      • David Walker

        Thank you, kind sir. I’d add that we did not have final disposition or the hospital matters in writing. The doctor came out of the ER OR and asked me what they should do. I told him we weren’t married and he dismissed that, somehow knowing we’d been together forever. Knowing Jack’s DNR request made it soooooo much easier to tell the doctor, but so did his understanding of our relationship. It’s always been a back-of-the-head shock that the staff treats everyone like real human people, probably because I’m pre-Stonewall, contemporary AIDS, anti-LGBTQ constitutional amendments, and bathroom bills. I expect shit, or at least veiled shit, and except for a tag team chaplain encounter, we’d never experienced anything but respect and a welcomed “business as usual” attitude…and we’d both made sure the people who cared for us knew that.

        In no way does this mean legal paperwork shouldn’t be kept up-to-date. Rather, this is to say we were extremely lucky and I know it.

    • JD

      Beautifully said, David. Very sorry for your loss–I hope the memories of good times and such a deep love help you bear the pain.

    • Silver Badger

      The first year is the hardest. Remember, Jack loved you and would want your remaining years filled with joy and happiness.

      • David Walker

        I know that intellectually and I thank you so much for your caring. Things still remind me. I almost had a heart attack at a diner one day when a man who was the spitting image of Jack walked by the window…right down to the beard and hat. It took some doing to calm me down, especially since my friend saw the resemblance, too. I know and understand and am grateful for what you’ve said. It’s just that sometimes emotion takes over, and I have to deal with it. Thank you, Silver Badger.

        • Silver Badger

          That has happened to me too. Then I realized that I was seeing a man that hadn’t aged at all. Ivan would be 55 this year. Not the 34 year old man I was seeing.

    • djcoastermark

      So many things to consider, so many choices to make, the only thing that really matters in the end is that you had the love of each other. No matter what anyone may say, you, celebrate, for you had what many have only wished for. Sending Love your way.

      • David Walker

        Thank you, djcoastermark. Your insight is true and gratefully accepted.

    • BearEyes

      Big hugs to you, David
      Talk it through, get it in writing – do what is right for you two
      And yes, live each day.

      • David Walker

        Thank you, BearEyes. Hugs most gratefully accepted (I’ve always loved bear hugs). Today is Monday, a lovely, sort of hot early summer day, perfect. I’ll go out to be part of it soon. That, JMG, writing, remembering/relishing are part of life now. It’s different and/but it’s good.

    • Jerry Kott

      David, it saddens me to read of your loss. Somehow I missed your loss here and sincerely apologize for not expressing my condolences sooner.

      Peace
      Jerry

      • David Walker

        Thank you, Jerry. No need to apologize. JMG is a special part of my universe and I just wanted to let all y’all know what’s going on. I’ll be fine.

        • Jerry Kott

          You are welcome. It is just important for you to know that there are people to lend a hand-we are family.

    • TuuxKabin

      Thank you, David. Thank you for honoring Jack and the love you had, and continue to have. Bob and I have things up to date, just paid the attorney last week for the most recent update with all ‘clauses’ clearing explaining our wishes and how they should be carried thru. Not a day goes by I don’t tell him I love him. Always first thing in the morning and last thing at night. In between much appreciation for each other is expressed. Remembering, honoring and thinking of the two of you. I’ll find more ways to celebrate by way of your inspiration. I am so glad to know you thru this site. Than you again. ~ David

      • David Walker

        Thank you, my friend. We had our little rituals, too, and they weren’t habits or some perfunctory act. We knew what we meant because we knew each other so well. “I love you” was always the last thing we said, even after “Would you please turn down the TV?” Mumble grumble. “I love you.” “Love you, too.”

        • TuuxKabin

          Yes, the distinction that ‘they weren’t habits or some perfunctory act, it is ritual.’

          The answer I get is, “and I, you,” which after hearing over all the years has become the expected response to my ‘offering it up.’

          It all comes down to joy. Something you still reveal, IMHO

    • CB

      Thank you for sharing this beautiful story. I am not married to my partner, but I have taken care of all the legal stuff, will, executor, etc. I did this many years ago and update as needed. Some people say it’s morbid, but I rather like the peace of mind that comes with knowing that in this unpredictable world, my executor simply has to open an envelope and know what to do. Having served as an executor, making it as simple as possible was always my aim.

      Separately, I was at a party on Saturday, and one gay couple has been together for 24 years, and I’ve been with my wonderful partner for 9 (tomorrow). There were heterosexuals there, and as the discussion turned to marriage, it was clear that the gay couples had invested considerably more time and thought into their choices and in setting up structures to protect the partners. I think it’s largely because we grew up in a time when marriage wasn’t even a possibility and so we had to figure out what to do. We had the lesson of those who had gone before who had not taken such steps and watched as greedy families took the survivor’s life away from him. And we vowed we would do whatever we could to save everyone that pain.

      Interestingly, both gay couples said that we would march in the streets if SSM was threatened, which came as a surprise to some of the heteros. It’s not our personal choices but the right to choose that matters and protecting that right for our fellows who want to marry only validates our choices further…because we have that choice.

      • David Walker

        Thank you, CB, and congratulations to you and the Mister on your anniversary! We were lax in our paperwork and sometimes had pangs about it. Jack’s mom died in a Catholic hospital and was placed in their morgue. We got there and the nun was all sympathetic and shit and was ready to take him to see her body. I asked Jack if he wanted me to go with him. The nun instantly went into full RCC mode and said I wasn’t family. Jack corrected her, and the conversation became an argument which became a yelling match, so much so that an administrator, also in a nun suit, came out of her office to try to calm the waters. I guess she could hear only the voices, not the subject matter, and it quickly became 2 nuns vs 2 fags, one of whom had his that-day deceased mom in the deep freeze and his partner (who had fully been welcomed into that family) who wanted to be with his love to comfort him, be with him. I remember making that argument and having both of them sniff at me. A non-nun came along and decided it wouldn’t be the end of the world if I accompanied Jack. She walked with us…silence…and I was about to be barred from the morgue, but the non-nun interceded. That, later, convinced us that paperwork would be nice, but it wouldn’t have mattered in the least in that circumstance, and life was still more like that hospital than it is today. But, yes…paperwork in order.

        So much of our lives have needed to be made up as we went along. We’ve had to learn what straight people have known all along or have handed to them as a matter of course. Marriage equality is good for marriage equality, but not for housing or service or any of the other things straight people take for granted. I don’t understand why people are still like those nuns. The sky hasn’t fallen. We’ve contributed out share…maybe more than our share…to society. And so what? So, yes, we absolutely need to make sure that every i is dotted and every t is crossed. The vultures are out there.

        Again, thank you CB…and congratulations again, as well. Be happy.

        • CB

          Perhaps I’m a bit cynical (Half my family is RCC and I was raised in a heavily Catholic neighborhood, though we’re Episcopalian by heritage.), but I think the nuns take a kind of pleasure in adding to your pain in that horrible situation. It’s as if they can mete out divine punishment in this small way and make you suffer for your sins. I’ve always thought there was a streak of fetishistic cruelty in some of what the nuns said.
          I remember being about 9 and going to church with some of my friends. The nun asked anyone if they had ever been burnt by a match. A few hands went up. She continued to say that hell is a million times more painful than that and it lasts forever and there’s no escape. Even at that age I wasn’t buying it, but some of my more credulous friends were really upset by that. Of course, they could escape that torment by praying on their beads, which made NO sense to me. And soon we were riding bikes and playing games again.
          Not sure why that story came to mind except I always have thought that that particular nun enjoyed upsetting children, which is just plain terrible.
          My mind boggles at all the non-productive animosity that is still directed at gays, much of it chronicled on this site. Like your nuns and mine, it seems unnecessarily vindictive and a reality that straight people don’t have to deal with. For the arbitrary reason and the human-created concept of sin, had you and Jack been a man and a woman, you would have been treated differently. The fact that there are those who can profit, in one way or another, still from trying to hurt us because of who we are by the accident of our birth, does show how much more mindful we need to be…and how much more there still is to do.

  • Jamie Wilson

    BREAKING: Justice Kennedy has told law students applying for a clerkship for the October 2018 term that he is “considering retirement.” That means that he will be on the Court through June 2018, and will have our backs on the Texas marriage benefits case and the Colorado baker/discrimination case. He didn’t say that he definitely would retire after June 2018, but that notice is a definite signal.
    http://electionlawblog.org/?p=93506

    As for the German lawsuit, I don’t think there is anything to it. The German Constitution does not define marriage and the constitutional court has always ruled in favor of equalty for same-sex couples. For the AfD to win, that same court would have to take the view that allowing gay people to marry is inherently harmful to marriage, and that would be a radical departure from its precedent.

    • Tiger Quinn

      That’s going to change the winds of the GOP – they were holding out for his retirement as much as the tax breaks to sew up a conservative court for the next generation. If they can’t do that then they’ve got less incentive to keep putting up with Trump.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Nazi hate is best in the original German.

  • ​Epicurus (Greek philosopher 341-270)
    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omniptent
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God?”

  • leastyebejudged

    so nazi still

  • Anthony_Central_IL

    This is not a serious attempt to mount a case in Germany’s Constitutional Court. There is no basis for an anti-marriage-equality decision in the German Constitution. This is a attempt on the part of AfD to steal some votes from the CDU, the party Angela Merkel belongs to. AfD was polling between 12% and 15% during 2016, but beginning in February of this year, AfD has slumped down to between 7% and 9%. Some opportunistic but misguided people in AfD think that they can poach some anti-gay votes from the CDU. I don’t think it will work. Same-sex marriage will become quickly entrenched in Germany, so AfD will have to find another issue to run on, like limiting immigration, which is increasingly popular in Germany.

  • SDG

    SICK! And NOT in a good way.

  • Elizabethslunt

    our co-worker’s mother-in-law makes $70 an hour at home and she’s been fired from work for 2 months. last month her check was $16084 just working from home a few hours a week.➤ go➤ here
    http://www.GoogleFinancialCashJobs30GreatServices/Home/Wage….
    ❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂❂::::ja30….

  • JCF

    [My goodness, she looks Le Pen look normal! Homocons: the “Turkeys For Thanksgiving Day Feasts” party.]

    Well, Wagner certainly would know how to compose for these asshats…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5db6163e0326ca0ed4442830123c390678b063cdfdc3a9f0953fb08c4690c929.jpg

    • RJ Tremor

      I was gonna say she looks like Milo.

  • Dean

    No surprise that the word “Stasi” pops up in this. It is the shortened form of the name given to the State Security Police in the former East Germany. They were feared and reviled. A desperate attempt to instill fear into former East Germans. With their poll numbers sinking, desperate times call for desperate measures I guess.

  • ospalh

    The ARD TV channel says the AfD can’t sue, basically because they don’t have standing.

    The ARD argues that citizens can’t sue either, because nobody loses anything.

    A state government could demand the Constitutional Court check the law, but which state? They probably will fear a mighty slap-down from the court and won’t try.

    http://faktenfinder.tagesschau.de/inland/afd-klage-ehe-fuer-alle-101.html