Colorado Baker: Jesus Would Refuse To Serve Gays

Law Newz reports:

After the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to hear his case, Colorado baker Jack Phillips appeared Thursday on ABC’s The View to explain why he refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

He told hosts that the bible said marriage was only between a man and a woman. When asked if Jesus would’ve done the same, he said yes. “I don’t believe that Jesus would’ve made a cake if he had been a baker,” Phillips. “Jesus would’ve made the cake,” said host Joy Behar.

To make the cake would’ve contradicted his religious beliefs, he argued. Sitting by his attorney Kristen Waggoner, he said he would’ve served other products to the couple, Charlie Craig and David Mullins, but not for their wedding.

Waggonner works for Alliance Defending Freedom, which as most of you surely know, advocates internationally for criminalizing homosexuality.

  • SDG

    Hmm, let’s see, Jesus was in his 30s, not married, and his mother thought he was god… Jesus was GAY honey!

    • Elagabalus

      All of the four Christian Gospels mention the apostle John as “the beloved disciple” or the ONE whom Jesus loved. How much clearer can it get?

      • Ernest Endevor

        All four? I know it features in John. Along with J stripping naked, wrapping a towel about his waist, and kneeling to bring the disciples’ feet onto his lap to wash one by one. After that was when he lay with the head of the disciple he loved best on his breast. This is excerpted in Bible Stories to Fap To.

        • ChrisMorley

          I must look for that on Pornhub, for an ex-catholic friend.

      • clay

        No, none of them identify John as the beloved disciple. That’s just Church tradition, like with Mary of Magdala was a prostitute, to redirect believers. The Gospel according to John eliminates John as an option and explicitly states multiple times that it was Lazarus, younger brother of Mary and Martha of Bethany.

        • Hamoverfist

          I thought I’d also read as theory it was James his brother. But no matter yes the disciple is essentially unnamed.

          • clay

            No, the beloved disciple is named: Lazarus. Now, why the church continues to choose to ignore that . . .

          • Hamoverfist

            my point is there is no uniform agreement on this point because it obviously isn’t spelled out enough for biblical scholars to even agree.

          • clay

            Biblical scholars don’t want to agree because the vast majority of them are part of the church. The internal logic of John and Mark make it impossible for John to be the disciple Jesus loved. Twice in John, Lazarus is explicitly, literally spelled out, as the disciple Jesus loved AND he fits the story where John does not.

          • Stogiebear

            Probably for the same reason that the church continues to choose to call Mary “ever virgin” when the gospel of Matthew clearly states that Mary and Joseph fucked.

    • Silver Badger

      Don’t forget John the Baptist and John the Beloved. Jesus had a thing for Johns.

      • John30013

        Well, we *are* pretty special 🙂

      • Tawreos

        Jesus was a hustler?

        • Silver Badger

          White Jesus, certainly.

    • DaddyRay
    • Ben in Oakland

      No, his mother thought he was Jewish.

      • Silver Badger

        So, there are no Jewish gay men? I beg to differ.

        • Ben in Oakland

          I’m Jewish. I’m gay.

      • SDG

        He was Jewish!

    • FAEN

      And he had great abs! Of course he was gay.

    • hdtex
      • Robincho

        Jeebie’s t-shirt: “I’m not gay, but hey. 10 sestertia is 10 sestertia.”

      • cleos_mom

        There are hipsters who would kill for that beard.

      • Andymac3

        Girl, hang your curtains back up and get something that flatters.

    • lattebud

      The ultimate Best Little Boy In The World… always over acheiving

      • AtticusP

        Perhaps.

        But in the end he got nailed for it.

    • perversatile
  • Wesinoregon

    How does he know that? I don’t remember reading anything about him asking people if they are gay or not when handing out the fish and loaves.

  • BlueberriesForMe

    That’s right, honey. And if Jeebus had an AK-47 back then, he would have shot all the Jewish people because they weren’t Christianists like yourself.
    Happy 4th of July, everyone.

  • Michael R
    • Tomcat

      That’s different, that is patriotism. /s

    • Bad Tom

      Sadly no. Because the gun industry has a much better lobby.

      • Zeldacat

        The problem there being is that our lobby has morals and ethics.

        • Bad Tom

          We follow the rules.

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  • HZ81

    How much time have we wasted as a world wondering what a fictional character thinks?

    This guy, and Jesus, can go fuck themselves. We have laws. Deal with it.

    • cleos_mom

      How much time have we wasted as a world wondering what a fictional character thinks?

      Ever participated in an online discussion about any specific branch of fanfiction? In some cases you’d do well to wear Keflar underwear.

    • -M-

      The same laws that don’t let Jews, Muslims, other Christians, etc refuse to sell him a shirt or a loan for not believing or praying the same way they do.

  • radiofreerome

    Jesus couldn’t be bother to piss down that cracker’s throat if the cracker’s heart were on hire.

    • TJay229

      😂😂😂😂 You make sure you sit next to me at all the parties.

      • radiofreerome

        Thanks!

  • Leo

    Public. Accommodation. Say it with me bigot or move to Iran.

    I really want to see what pretzel Gorsuch will twist himself in to defend this.

  • Elagabalus

    Since Jesus is recorded in the Bible as saying absolutely NOTHING about homosexuality, this man is quite simply wrong.

    • Bluto

      He’s not merely wrong, he’s a goddamn motherfucking bigoted liar.

    • David in Tucson

      The likelihood is high that he’s never actually read the Bible, except maybe the bits he hears about in his fundagelical church over and over and over again.

  • Lazycrockett

    I guess white jesus didn’t hang out with the dredge of society.

    • Silver Badger

      Depends on how you define “dredge”.

  • Macbill

    W[hite Jesus wouldn’t serve Jewish Folk or Muslims, either. And he only spoke “American”, not some goofy middle-east language.

  • Tomcat

    Jesus would have washed the feet of gay people. He was not a bigot, like his followers.

  • Rick

    No. If Jesus existed, the book that describes him makes it clear that he preferred the company of those whom society derided: prostitutes, thieves, those who wore white after labor day, etc.

    • ChrisMorley

      He did have a thing for the hunky fishermen by the Sea of Galilee.
      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0b/7e/20/0b7e20a278160edc5847e42570a1c6a8.jpg

    • clay

      And he would have given them the cake as gift, rather than turning it into a business (like Peter was shocked to find out on Jesus’ attitude about setting up a healing shop at Pete’s Mother-in-Law’s). Speaking of which, how business?

      • Adam King

        And he would have thrown in a dozen little lacy cupcakes, just to show he cared.

      • lymis

        Hey, this is the guy who turned water into wine at a wedding.

        He wouldn’t have baked the gay couple a cake. He’d have turned some dinner rolls into one.

  • bkmn
    • Tomcat

      In their image.

    • DaddyRay

      God prefers the company of men

      • clay

        He liked David’s “ruddy cheeks”.

        • David Walker

          So did Jonathan.

      • lattebud
        • andrew

          Several times in the gospels, John is referred to as the disciple whom Jesus loved. It’s possible that Jesus was more like us than these fundamentalist think.

          • jonfromcalifornia

            Also, there is the case of the Roman centurion who obviously loved one of his male servants so much that he would condescend to ask one of the conquered subjects for help in healing him. It was almost unheard of in those days for two people of a different class, religion and race (especially of conqueror and conquered) to cross those boundaries. (Matthew 8:5-13).

          • andrew

            Your point is well taken. In answer to your last question this agnostic/atheist would answer neither.

          • cfa

            Just one slight correction: the relationship between the centurion and his “pais” — the Biblical text of this story uses that word, often translated “boy”, interchangeably with “doulos”, the usual word for slave or servant — was a common one in the Roman army (and among the Greeks), although usually without such a level of affection and care on the part of the officer.

            And yes, Jesus never questioned their relationship nor denied the centurion’s request.

          • JCF

            I think the important part of the story is that, whether or not the centurion&slave had a sexual relationship—Jesus’s Hebrew listeners, w/ their biases, probably assumed they did. [And Jesus gave not a single fuck to persuade them otherwise.]

          • Librarykid

            If the story is even true.

    • Sashineb

      And who was Mrs. God? Fundies will tell us that Jesus existed in heaven before the time of creation. So, if God (the father) had a son in heaven, then who was Mrs. God???

    • Well, there are gods that are female and even androgynous. it’s all made up anyway. Take your pick.

      • Willys41

        If the Christian god is omnipotent then “He” could be all genders and all sexualities simultaneously.

        • Yep.

        • And the Christian God *is* “male *and* female.” The “image and likeness of God” is described exactly that way in GEnesis 1:27 =

          There is more: just like the name Moses, in Hebrew, read forward means “Son of” trad it backward and it reads “Ha-Shem” (a name for God in Hebrew).- the Tetragrammaton (YHWH – I am who am) is the “unpronounceable name” for very religious Jews – but read it backward? the letters read “Hoo – Hee” which literally means “He/She.”

          The Christian God is a He/She – Maybe this “baker” ought to learn some theology instead of reading his bigotry into his religion.

          • Willys41

            Most of these people seem to have trouble with the concept of the “bible” having been translated from other languages.

        • Mike Ketterman

          Actually, an Omnipotent, “always has been, always will be” creature would not have any sexuality, it wouldn’t feel any pain (It would be a construct it created just for us), it wouldn’t know life or death, it wouldn’t need to eat or take a crap. Omnipotent isn’t a little better it’s everything. we humans, as messy little creatures, would literally (and I’m using that word literally) have nothing in common with it. Much less being created in its image, that’s laughable.

          • RoFaWh

            But perhaps dualism is a fundamental organizing principle of the Universe, one expression of which is the male-female distinction.

            /idle speculation

          • Mike Ketterman

            Idle speculation can be fun, as long as one doesn’t make a faith out of it. Speculating what an omnipotent creature would be, is actually kind of fascinating. Something as simple as pain, would not be needed by an omnipotent creature, we needed it to pull our hand from a fire, it would have no need for it. Can’t think of a reason for dualism and an omnipotent creature. Also, on the earth “dualism” in life, is a minority. Communal is more the rule. …ants, termites.

          • cleos_mom

            And an Omnipotent certainly wouldn’t allow a mortal life to be all but destroyed on the basis of an ego-inspired bet. The biblical god is a more than a little needy in terms of flattery and adulation.

          • Mike Ketterman

            Exactly. The “Omnipot” god the religious discribe is strangely just like an ignorant nasty selfish human. Funny how the works. 😉

    • The_Wretched

      OT god is a ‘he’ because he was the head of a pantheon and had a wife…not that anyone pays attention to Jewish theology.

    • Carl

      Maybe god needs a hat rack.

    • cleos_mom

      And if he gets lost, will he walk 80 miles over small gravel or swim across the Mississippi in a flood year rather than ask directIons?

      • Snarkaholic

        Yes…that’s why Moses and his crew wandered in the wilderness for FORTY years!

  • Bad Tom

    IT’S A MIRACLE!!!

    Jesus hates exactly the same people you do! You hate gays, so does Jesus! Which means, you’ll win in court!

    What other people does Jesus hate for you?

    Good question.

    • DaddyRay

      Bob, Jesus hates Bob because he gave Jack a bad haircut

      • Karl Dubhe

        Jesus hates Bob? Bob, the Lord of Wormholes. That Bob?

        I’ma gonna log into Eve and hunt down this Jesus freak…

        /s

      • Ted.OR

        Actually, Bob hates Jesus. Bob is Jesus’s younger brother, and Jesus gets all the attention…
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc5q142NFkA

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      And if triangles had gods, they would probably have three sides– and dislike all forms of squares.

      • Bad Tom

        And even isosceles and equilateral triangles would agree that circles are RIGHT OUT.

    • Kruhn

      Seems that this jackass forgot Matthew 5:14 “But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,”

      He should’ve baked the best damned cake ever for his enemies making sure he took extra care and dedication as if it was for God herself. If he felt petsecuted, he should’ve gone to church and pray. That’s what Jesus orders you to do, you heathen.

  • Silver Badger

    White Jesus is not a very nice man. Brown Jesus was much nicer.

  • Tomcat

    Jesus would also like to tell you he was not white.

  • Acronym Jim

    I’m not seeing a groom here.

    (In reality though, no bride was mentioned in the tale of the wedding at Cana.)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Gerard_David_-_The_Marriage_at_Cana_-_WGA6020.jpg

    • clay

      ‘cuz Jesus asked them all before he sold them the wine?

  • it just amazes me, sometimes. the way people invest themselves in mythology that even young children have a hard time accepting, as it’s more lame than the Santa and Easter Bunny. but really, he just “knows” what his gawd thinks about queers? one little passage in the buybull, and a whole movement is born. Sad.

    sometimes it’s just so painful for me to really contemplate how many of my fellow citizens believe that an invisible, silent yet all powerful triumverate of godlings rule our universe and care about hymens, assholes, and what/when people put in them. i guess i’m silly about certain issues, like Deep Space Nine or Siouxie or chunky 4″ leather heels. i at least know these are things that don’t really matter. these adults who live their lives according to one of the most boring, least original religious myths? it hurts me to think how stupid they must be. and the fact that they vote.

    • Silver Badger

      Especially as people today have drastically different concepts of person hygiene then those of biblical times.

      • Karl Dubhe

        Not really. They just didn’t have the soaps that we use. In the Roman era, they used the low grade olive oil to clean themselves.

        The Romans built real bathhouses in every territory they conquered. Lot’s of bathouses. 🙂 Everywhere….

        Scuse me… I need a ‘shower’.

        • ohbear1957

          Olive oil! I thought it was for tossing salads.
          Never mind.

          • Karl Dubhe

            That’s the fancy 1st pressed stuff. 🙂 The 7th press stuff you wash with, and the 3rd press oil is what you use for fun in ancient times.

        • katkelly57

          Durt burd.

        • JWC

          Life expectancy back then was low 40-45 being old age

          • Karl Dubhe

            Old age was still old age. Not many people got there because infant mortality was really fucking high. Children under 5 had a bad chance of surviving until the age of 6. That’s what spiked their life expectancy.

          • JWC

            Different diets lifestyles more wild animals Yay it was no walk in the park

          • Karl Dubhe

            The Roman diet was bread, locally grown veggies and legumes in season(no Tomatoes for them, imagine…) They ate cows, sheep, goats, pigs and fowl.

            It really wasn’t that different, although they didn’t have the ingredients that we have available to us. I was told they also had this awesome fish sauce, called Garum (iirc), people wrote about the smell of the stuff being brewed up.

            They also had different ways of storing foods, and got rid of fresh meat quickly.

          • JWC

            that was the main reason for spices to difuse the smell and raste of rancid meats

          • That fish sauce also was laden with parasites since it was made from rotting raw fish with worm eggs inside.

          • Karl Dubhe

            And heavily contaminated with lead, as it was made in lead vats. IIRC.

            The fact that our ancestors survived at all is fucking amazing.

          • RoFaWh

            Tomatoes: you need not imagine. Tomatoes are one of the many important economic plants native to the New World and unknown to Eurasia until carried back across the Atlantic around 1500 CE.

            Besides tomatoes: potatoes, vanilla, chocolate, chili peppers, beans except broad beans, pumpkin, turkey, sunflower, and many others.

        • Kruhn

          And the Jews have the mikh’vah, a full body ritual bath before going to service.

        • RoFaWh

          The Romans had soap, but only used it medicinally, and that sparingly.

          • Karl Dubhe

            Why would you use soap, when you could use olive oil? 🙂

            I’ve tried their way of cleaning one year, I had to cheat a bit and used a Norwegian style of hot house. But I used cheap olive oil as a cleanser and it had very good results. 🙂 Quite invigorating. That and a dunk in the snow and I was a new man.

    • Silver Badger

      He has terrorist written all over him. This Jesus wouldn’t be able to board an American plane. The Asshole in Chief wouldn’t let him in the country at all.

    • JWC

      Good point All the bible thumping Christians percieve Jesus as a fair haired blue eyed mid tallish fiigure Given his origins he would be dark features dark hair and beard shorter frame and possibily some sort of head wrap to protect from the sun

    • lattebud
    • Oh’behr in Minnesota
      • ohbear1957

        The Jesus on the left is hotter.

      • katkelly57

        I heard at the swap meat, duh meet….that the white image of Christ is really Cesare Borgia.

        That wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

      • JWC

        Add to all this stories different dialects mis translated version then think how close the words “CELEBRATE” and “CELEBATE” are Ah the folly of it all

        • RoFaWh

          Get one thing straight: mistranslations of the text of the bible are few and insignificant, for the most part.

          Modern English texts are much better than old ones (i.e. KJV) because we have much better understanding of the ancient languages in which that text was first written. This is especially true of the New Testament, which is largely Greek in origin. There used to be an academic subject, “New Testament Greek”, necessary because biblical Greek differs significantly from classical Greek.

          Turns out that New Testament Greek was the koine, the common Greek dialect used in everyday life around the time of Christ.

          • JWC

            Your point Being????

          • JWC

            Do not know what your intentions were here My dialogue , even tho I do not think it wrong, was used to introduce a joke the difference yet similarity of the word s “Celibate and Celebrate” You, however, with balls bigger than Christmas decided to be hell bent on correcting. If that was your bain then fine I will leave you with you knowing that I have no interest in a lecture from you

      • Andymac3

        The Jesus on the left is hot fun in the sun, the one on the right is a hipster metro-sexual who bores you to death about how juicing at home has transformed his skin, and how he had a man bun years before it was hip.

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    Public. Accommodations.

    You have a business license, not a “cake artist” license. You’re in the public sphere and have a license to operate in it. Your bullshit bigotry went out of vogue in businesses with Jim Crow.

  • Ben in Oakland

    Sock puppet Jesus, made in the image of whatever man or woman believes in sock puppet Jesus,

  • Uncle Mark

    Since this self-righteous baker is citing his sacred tome, let’s look into that: Funny, I do remember the story of a sermon on the mount, where Jesus fed the multitudes with loaves and fishes. I don’t recall any instructions being issued that only heterosexuals were entitled to be fed. I also remember the above-mentioned miracle-worker turning water into wine at a wedding…again no instructions about its distribution to select guests. Lastly, I recall a tale about a Centurian asking for that same gent to heal his “boy servant” (wink-wink, nudge-nudge); there was no sexual restriction placed on the miracle.

    This asshole is just a fucking baker, so why doe he feel entitled to any moral superiority?

    Might i also add that his sacred tome also allowed for the poligamy as well, including slavery, sex with slaves, slaughtering enemies… How are we to know which rules he chooses to follow? Why should we allow such hypocrisy in conducting day-to-day business?

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    • -M-

      As far as I know the Bible doesn’t actually spelling out anything specific about marriage or weddings*. Certainly not who gets cake.

      *And I don’t have to care what it says, or what these asses think it says, about anything.

  • Leo

    OT. Mounting speculation from multiple reporters on Twitter that Tillerson wants out – no longer a matter of if but when. Tick tock.

    • Lazycrockett

      But but God told his wife to take the job.

      • Karl Dubhe

        At some point, he’ll say that gawd wanted him to witness the insanity. That he’s done his duty by his gawd and now is time for him to spend more time contemplating eternity.

        • Bad Tom

          When it’s a story you invented out of whole cloth, you can always go for a rewrite.

      • lattebud

        As a good Christian man, why does he listen to his wife?

    • Tomcat

      But he already quit his day job at Exxon.

      • Hue-Man

        He’ll have a hard time making ends meet.
        Tillerson and Exxon agree to $180 million severance package
        http://www.dw.com/en/tillerson-and-exxon-agree-to-180-million-severance-package/a-37004286

        • Tomcat

          His only hope will be to donate a large amount to the GOP so he can double or triple his wealth.

      • MaryJOGrady

        Guys like that always get a soft landing.
        “Heckuva Job Brownie,” the former supremo of the US Arabian horse association whom Bu$h tapped for FEMA and who watched New Orleans drown, hasn’t been missing many meals since 2005.

    • Lazycrockett

      If this is true gonna be interesting conversation when Putin calls.

    • JWC
      • ChrisInKansas

        That’s a great gif.

    • Tomcat

      Oh boy another job for Jared. He is sure going to be busy.

      • Bad Tom

        He’s already doing it. That’s what frosted Tillerson’s shorts.
        ——-
        I can’t blame Tillerson. How can you be SoS, and tolerate a 36 yo know nothing undercutting you?

        • clay

          frosting (verb) shorts
          shorts frosting (noun)

          should a tumblr category

          • Bad Tom

            I would not be surprised if it was.

    • Acronym Jim

      If anybody doesn’t believe Tillerson is in on the Russia/Trump collusion up to his hair plugs, they haven’t been paying attention.

      • OdieDenCO

        a former oil exec making deals with a regime practicing hydraulic despotism with fossil fuels? why that is just too far fetched to be believable /s

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      He probably thought he could puppet Trump freely and then ran into the sludge that is politics.

      • Adam King

        He had no fucking clue what any government job is like, and he’s refused all offers of clues from those who know.

    • Raising_Rlyeh

      From my understanding he is getting pissed off that Jared is backing telling him what to do and is doing things that the SOS should be doing.

      • clay

        They’re also running contradictory efforts with Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

  • Dagoril

    Your thoughts about what your Invisible Friend believes on any subject are not very interesting to me.

    • TimCA

      And should be of complete irrelevance to having to follow civil law or not.

  • Adam Stevens

    If he WILL sell a cake to a divorced heterosexual, his ‘religious’ argument isn’t worth an ounce of buttercream, now is it.

    • clay

      He’ll argue that he’s free of sin because he didn’t know their marriage status, only their gender.

      Someone should ask him if he does cake with sweet red wine, or if he abstains for religious reasons.

    • lattebud

      Will he make a cake for celebrating a divorce? Birth of a child to an unwed mother? To a greedy person? For Halloween?

      • David Walker

        Yes. Possibly. Of course. Only if it’s used as part of the refreshments (with proper signage) at his friendly local neighborhood fundamentalist Hell House.

        I hate that he looks like Kris Kristofferson.

      • lymis

        The uncircumcised? A woman who hasn’t been publicly ritually cleansed since her last period?

      • Susan Rosenthal

        He has already said he does not msmake Halloween products. The biggest problem I have with these cases is the fact that these Christian legal organizations have been silent for years while businesses were forced to serve blacks, Jews, Christians, divorced people, etc. They did nothing to challenge these laws legislatively or in cou serving gays became an issue.

  • JWC

    Once again “who’s rights are more right” The GAY guys for denial of service. The baker for conflicted religious beliefs https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/232b9f609f35bb420072ddb88c76b5a1721e0fe50c0d25d2765a0b073e0d7bcf.jpg

  • Kettle_meatpot

    Thought Jesus was a carpenter, so no, he probably wouldn’t bake a cake. Maybe a nice table and set of chairs would be doable.

    • OdieDenCO

      a hand carved head board would be thoughtful

      • Natty Enquirer

        Or matching cock rings.

      • Robincho

        So John could have something to get his head banged into…

    • Ken M

      He did that whole bread and fish miracle. I guess DADT wasn’t in effect when the crowd of thousands was fed.

      • clay

        He GAVE AWAY good wine at a wedding party. Not much of a business man, but super-good at public accommodation.

    • Adam King

      He wouldn’t bake the wedding cake, but he’d sure as hell supply the wine. If he actually existed.

    • Robincho

      They say that carpenters really know their way around when it comes to wood…

  • FAEN

    Absolutely, completely, utterly WRONG! If anything Jesus would have gone out of his way to show love, compassion, kindness, acceptance and equality to ALL specially the disenfranchised.

    Read the ENTIRE bible you fucking bigot.

    • Tawreos

      Reading the entire bible doesn’t get you those sweet persecution dollars, which is all they really care about.

      • Adam King

        Reading the entire bible is the royal road to atheism.

        • agcons

          It’s what put me in the fast lane on that road.

  • 2patricius2

    He was licensed to serve the public. The law forbids discrimination based on sexual orientation or marital status. He broke the law governing his license. His personal religious beliefs are irrelevant when it comes to the rights of his fellow citizens protected by the law. Simple. The guy is a bigot. He should suffer the consequences of breaking the law.

    • Natty Enquirer

      It’s also discrimination on the basis of sex.

    • Ken M

      His issue isn’t that they are gay, supposedly it is “being a part of the marriage” that goes against his religious beliefs.

      • CJAS

        He’s being intellectually dishonest. By his admission he doesn’t screen heterosexual couples to learn whether they’ve violated his biblical understanding. He needs to think he’s a good man, but he’s not.

  • Ken M

    He still has his bakery, his website, and he hasn’t paid a penny. How has this man, or his business, suffered?

    • FAEN

      He did the xtian circuit where he or his wife wept and the money came pouring in.

      Xtian grifters gonna grift.

      • Ken M

        Silly me, free advertising for ADF as well.

        • Silver Badger

          Not to mention his bakery.

      • clay

        I wonder if it was enough to cover lost business from negative press.

  • Natty Enquirer

    There is no Jesus in the Constitution. Let’s focus on the law, shall we?

    • Tomcat

      They are doing their best to remedy that.

    • TimCA

      Christians should be subject to civil law just like everyone else.

      Just say so NO to Christian privilege being written into our legal system!

    • Ted.OR

      According to “them”, Jesus IS in the Constitution. Seriously! Because, right at the end, it says:

      “done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven…”

      • Kruhn

        Hey morons (not you Ted, you’re cool), The Year of Our Lord is an archaic calendar convention. That’s why we now use Common Era instead.

        • Ted.OR

          Exactamundo, Kruhn. I love how they grasp at ANY straw they can find. (By the way, you’re cool too.)

        • I have actually heard it asserted that the C in BCE and CE stands for “Christian”.

      • Christian apologists are grasping at straws. The text actually reads:

        “done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the
        Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven
        hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance [sic] of the United States of
        America the Twelfth in witness whereof …”

        At the time, “in the year of our Lord” was merely the legal formula for specifying what dating system was being used, and was not intended as a statement of adherence to the Christian religion.

        Other systems of dating are possible, and indeed the authors of the document proposed another that counted from the date of the Declaration of Independence. A couple of years later the French were to adopt one of their own, counting from 1789; and of course Muslim nations counted (as they still do) from the date of the Hegira, the Jews counted from the supposed date of the Creation, and the Romans historians often gave dates by counting Ab Urbe Condita, from the traditional date (753 BC) of the foundation of Rome.

        But the usual Roman method of specifying a date was by naming the Consuls of the year in question, or by dating from the accession of the current Emperor — as the Chinese used to, and as the UK still does for Acts of Parliament — and indeed it is that formula by which the only two dates noted in the New Testament are given.

        Luke 2:1-2
        And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Quirinius was governor of Syria.)

        Luke 3:1-2
        Now
        in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate
        being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his
        brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and
        Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias ….

        No mention of God either time! Yes, Luke mentions several people who played a role in later events — but his purpose is not to claim his Gospel has been certified by them but simply to tell his readers just when Christ was born and when He began His ministry.

        Still, if American Christians believe that the US Constitution draws divine authority from being written in “(a) year of our Lord”, then surely they will have no trouble recognising that the Bible derives its divine authority from Augustus or Tiberius or Pontius Pilate?

        • Ted.OR

          There ya’ go, Roger, trying to confuse them with history and facts! [/s] Next thing, you’ll be telling them that the Jesus didn’t speak King James English.

          I love it too, how they claim the Declaration of Independence is Christian because of the phrase “endowed by their Creator”. I point out that it does not mention God or Jesus, and that “Creator” could have many interpretations. But no, that isn’t what their pastor or Pat Robertson or their congressman or whoever, said.

          • Neither did King James, who spoke Lalland Scots. Though it is true that the Authorised Version of the Bible was made at his behest, so that the British Church would have a generally agreed English-language Bible rather than having to choose among the several other versions circulating at the time.

            As for the US Declaration of Independence, it not only mentions “the Creator” but in its final paragraph the signers appeal to “the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of [their] intentions” and speak of their “firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence”. It is arguable that these are all concepts founded in the Old Testament, and that most of these fellows were at least nominally Christian; but in putting their case “before a candid world” — and in a time of war — the States conspicuously do not swear an oath before any God but rather pledge to each other their mutual support.

            In any case, this is all merely of historical interest. The Declaration of Independence has no force in American law. If it ever had, the Constitution has superseded it.

          • Ted.OR

            There was a report of a woman, a teacher, in one of the southern states (I forget which one). She thanked Trump, and thanked God for making Trump president, that because of the great health care Trump has provided, her son was able to get insurance after he was laid off. This was before the House bill had been passed.

            With teachers like that (I’m sure there are more), and preachers, and right-wing media, and people gullible enough to believe them, historical facts just don’t matter. “Deplorables?” I have no problem with that.

  • SoCalGal20

    OT but related to that NRA post that Joe put up the other day with that awful ad basically calling Trump protestors terrorists and inciting NRA members to violence.

    The NRA has created something called NRA TV. This is what they posted about Deray McKesson yesterday after he accused them of inciting violence.

    https://twitter.com/nratv/status/881314298609283072

    • Tomcat

      Damn, where and when was all this damage?

      • MaryJOGrady

        I have a feeling the NRA is lying here.

        • Tomcat

          And they are allowed to produce FAKE NEWS?
          What kind of patriots are they anyway? Russian!

    • Blake J Butler

      Yeah, they’ve had their network for awhile, i think they tried to get Alaskan crazy eyes to work for that umbrella network.

      Somewhere in the outdoors channel network with your sports channels and fishing. They still do reruns of duck dynasty on the outdoors network.

      • SoCalGal20

        I think NRA TV (at least this iteration) is not an actual tv network on cable (yet) but an online rapid response operation to real or perceived attacks on the NRA and gun freedom.

    • TimCA

      When has McKesson ever incited or encouraged violence?

      #lyingliars

      • SoCalGal20

        Well Black Lives Matter is a bunch of terrorists. /s

        Also Deray is gay so…

  • Lakeviewbob

    Gee now a so called “christian” says Jesus is a bigot. How nice for them.

    • He’s a gun totin’ capitalist to boot.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    OT but 25th Amendment is trending on Twitter. I wish something would happen. This man truly is insane and completely unfit for office.

    • Michael R

      He should never have been allowed to set foot in the White House ,
      our system isn’t working .

      ” Democracy is an aspiration, and it is defenseless against people who use it in bad faith ” – Masha Gessen

  • MaryJOGrady

    Two of the Gospels narrate a story about Jesus healing the servant of a centurion from afar. Some theologians point out that the Greek word “pais,” translated usually in this passage as “servant,” often was used to mean a younger male lover.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healing_the_centurion%27s_servant

    (Recovering Catholic here.)

    • Natty Enquirer

      It doesn’t really matter what’s in the Gospels or how they are interpreted or if they are true or if Jesus ever existed. We are governed by the law, not the holy scriptures.

      • MaryJOGrady

        I agree.
        I like to point up the theological illiteracy of hateful Jeebusites from time to time, however.

    • Tomcat

      Explains why religious zealots call them selves servants of god or jesus.

      • Frank

        They think they’re Jesus’ butt boys? He had better taste than some fat-assed, pasty-faced, pig-ignorant Baptist preacher.

  • billbear1961

    Who gets to play God, and who can be turned away?

    We already know the answers.

    Don’t let them discriminate quietly, which is what they want.

    When they discriminate, make enough noise about it to WAKE THE DEAD.

    Jim Crow-like laws in 21st century America?

    Let them know it will TEAR THE COUNTRY APART, that they will PAY FOR IT!!

    Demand Trump’s tax returns NOW before the courts are inundated with his NAZI SCUM!!

    Get to the bottom of this regime’s–and their party’s–CRIMES!!

    Time is short!

    The demonstrations can wait no longer.

  • hdtex
  • Tomcat

    We need healthcare now more than ever,trump is making millions sick daily.

  • Thorn Spike

    Um, no.

  • There’s no evidence that Jesus baked. None of his recipes got into the bible. But we do know that he was into gays, because when he posed for the Last Supper painting, he let the “beloved disciple” put his head on his shoulder.

    https://roberthorvat30.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/1d0b3_ugolino_di_nerio-_the_last_supper_metropolitan_mus-_n-y.jpg

  • JDS

    This man by the look of him has been down to the local glory hole quite a few times.
    Praise Jeebus! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa558ff223940fb3d6ac2443f8632a4c8c4bc824fb18bf150b874af4e0b6343d.jpg

  • andrew

    They should have asked the baker if he would serve people who are divorced and remarried, something that his spiritual guide Jesus, according to the gospels, called adultery. They should have asked him if he would serve people who believe in Gods other than Yahweh, people who work on the Sabbath, some of the things that the bible condemns.

    • Guess?

      Also would they make baked goods for gluttons, which directly contributes to sin?

  • thatotherjean

    You’d think it would be a clue: whenever one of these folks presumes to speak for God, God always agrees with whatever they want to (or not to) do.

  • Tomcat

    I still say LGBT citizens need to declare that god told them they have that right.
    Can’t refuse to serve people on religious grounds, (THEIR OWN WORDS).

  • Darrel Cj

    What a dumb-ass. Even assuming that the historical Jesus was not pro-gay, he hung out with tax-collectors (who had a low social status at that time) and prostitutes. He would have baked the fucking cake.

    • Mordred LeFey

      Because from what I understand Jesus’ strategy was to show COMPASSION, not to damn everyone to hell and offer the only way to salvation.

      I’m not religious though, so I could be wrong. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    • Michael

      Actually when He met a gay man He said of him, “Never have I seen faith greater than this.” He even wanted to go eat dinner at the guy’s house.

    • clay

      and it would have been a fruit cake and he would have given it away for free.

  • Blake J Butler

    I so want the courts to rule on this shit, make the evangelicals serve their public customers, that are not being rude or disrespectful to you or your staff, paying customers, and demand to be treated with dignity and respect like everyone else.

    Persecution complex disorder, he brought his lawyer on there and went over a script for him to speak, and answer questions from the panel so he wouldn’t be contradicted and use words against him for later.

  • Adam King

    The only fictional character who ever came close to even starting to bake a cake for me was Betty Crocker.

    • JWC

      Ah the good ole Duncancrockerbury cake mixes

    • Stubenville

      You should check out Dr. Oetker; it’s good to see other people cake mixes.

  • stevenj
  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    I thought Sara was excellent in this discussion. I wanted to hear an answer to her question if the baker would be willing to put a sign up stating whom he would not serve. But the other women trampled all over that.

    And I loved it when Joy told the annoying person to stop clapping so loudly after everything the baker said.

  • Frostbite

    Because he knows what Jesus would do?

    • Elsewhere1010

      Like chasing the money-lenders and dove-sellers from the Temple using a whip? Kinky…

    • Gustav2

      The voice in his head tells him.

  • whollyfool

    They don’t read their own book.

    • Tomcat

      They also don’t practice what they preach.

      • JWC

        they are Republicans rules are for the little people

      • whollyfool

        I’m used to that, but not to even know what is in the book they proselytize. Ok, to go on TV and talk about a book they haven’t even read… *any* book… smh

    • whollyfool

      “To make the cake would’ve contradicted his religious beliefs, he argued.”
      -Those are the very people Jesus reached out to. Aargh.

    • TimCA

      Their book is subject to their own interpretation where they get to decide its meaning and consequently whether they’ll follow the law or not.

      Just outrageous!

  • Gerry Fisher

    I listened to half the discussion, and it was too frustrating to continue. The two “legal experts” failed to discuss the purpose of anti-discrimination laws, their original intent. They are designed to limit citizens’ freedom of association for a greater social good, to enable protected classes to move through the public square without as much discrimination, to move through that public square without so many others trying to block their way. The “right” to sit in a certain section at a Woolworth’s counter or in a bus, or the “right” of a woman to join a certain “men’s only” golf club, appears trivial on the surface, but these laws are dismantling important social-control mechanisms used to restrict access, preserve power, and maintain second-class status for targeted groups.

    There’s also precedent: courts have decided over and over again that society is justified in restricting first amendment rights for this particular purpose.

    So, the guy’s lawyer says, “Hey, this limits his artistic expression and freedom of speech.” Yes, by design! Because, in this very specific context, his freedom would be used to make others second-class citizens, and that’s more unfair than limiting his “freedom” in this particular instance. (And is anyone else annoyed at this “I’m an artist” thing? Hon, open up a gallery and make whatever cakes you want. Open up a shop that “sells wedding cakes,” and just make the cake, already!)

    • Stubenville

      Which brings an interesting question to mind; are his cakes truly original creations or are they just pastiches of other designs already in the public arena? In which case the situation is more like a mechanic refusing to repair a gay couple’s car.

  • Gustav2

    If he has 20 different wedding cakes in his repertoire I would be surprised. They all look alike. Custom? Not so much.

  • Mikey

    I could only get to the 5 minute mark.. oh my GOD that lawyer is an idiot! what a moron!
    Does she actually HAVE a law degree? because she’s just spewing totally indefensible, and illogical crap to confuse and obfuscate.

    • FAEN

      His lawyer probably got a degree from Liberty U. That should answer your question.

  • Michael

    The ironic aspect is if Christ was in a relationship it would have been with His Beloved John.

  • BeaverTales

    Would Jesus bake a cake when people are divorced and remarry? Did anyone ask him that?

    • Tomcat

      Wasn’t jesus a carpenter? Lets ask if he would refuse to build for a gay person.

      • BeaverTales

        Good point. Jesus had a lot to say about divorce, and nothing to say about homosexuality. This guy is putting words in Jesus’ mouth and is being a hypocrite.

        • David Walker

          In other words, a good xn.

      • Talisman

        He’d just refuse to build the bed, since that would obviously be participating in the marriage.

  • Talisman

    Jesus had 12 boyfriends. I’m sure he would have been fine with baking the damn cake.

  • 3-Star

    Anyone besides me catch the “Artist” angle? Smooth move Ms. Waggoner! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/71fda70e9064c2a055611c6a80d197ef4b45cafee3d0e38d2c537a2ec426265b.jpg

  • Ross

    “Colorado Baker: Jesus Would Refuse To Serve Gays”

    And you don’t know shit about Jesus.

  • PR

    This man has so much hatred in his heart.

  • KnownDonorDad

    The Flying Spaghetti Monster is cool with it, though. Of course, we’re a secular constitutional republic, so it doesn’t matter either way.

    • kareemachan

      Praise Cthulhu!

  • Emcee, cubed

    To make the cake would’ve contradicted his religious beliefs, he argued.

    Jesus consistently did things in the Bible that supposedly contradicted his religious beliefs. He healed the unclean. He blessed gentiles. He worked on the Sabbath. Etc. This was the entire reason he was brought before the Pharisees, because he was doing things that contradicted what they said his religious beliefs should be. So he has absolutely no basis for saying this. At all. (Even if we assume the fact that Jesus even existed.)

  • lymis

    Jesus would not have baked a cake for a gay couple.

    He probably would have made them a table for the cake to sit on at the wedding, being a carpenter and not a baker.

  • Ninja0980

    Why exactly am I supposed to respect someone who thinks Jesus would treat all of us like dirt?

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Some historical insight:
    The first cakes were very different from what we eat today. They were more bread-like and sweetened with honey. Nuts and dried fruits were often added. According to the food historians, the ancient Egyptians were the first culture to show evidence of advanced baking skills. The Oxford English Dictionary traces the English word cake back to the 13th century. It is a derivation of ‘kaka’, an Old Norse word. Medieval European bakers often made fruitcakes and gingerbread. These foods could last for many months.

    • Treant

      Or the “cake” types I prefer, actually. I find most cakes to be far too sweet and like things more breadlike, with nutty flavors.

      I do like a good angel food with a not very sweet icing, however!

      • kareemachan

        Angel food with a lemon glaze, FTW!

  • Ninja0980

    Should be noted that the group representing him, Alliance Defending Freedom, fought here and abroad to keep laws that called LGBT people to be locked up for engaging in consensual sex upheld.
    This asshole can say he doesn’t hate us but the group representing us does.
    And just like the Islamic theocrats in the U.S, their goals for us are the same.
    They want us locked or dead, period.

  • TimCA

    In Colorado if you’re running a business making customized wedding cakes you can’t deny providing those goods or services based on the sexual orientation of the couple involved. How is this too difficult to understand?

    • BobSF_94117

      “Customized” = a catalog

      The only customization is adding names, and that’s pretty rare on a wedding cake.

      • kareemachan

        No, it’s not.

        Got married?

    • Schlukitz

      Because Christians think that they are special snowflakes who are not subject to the law.

  • TimCA

    No special dispensation should be allowed on the basis of religion. Christians like everyone else should be equally subject to following civil law.

  • GanymedeRenard
    • katkelly57

      La verdad demasiado.

  • KCMC

    perhaps not a cake. But I think Jesus would be all over a nice chocolate babka

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0ca4ce0db926d9ed13347508f731b1359b5535b4f7958869143f98137617e62d.jpg

    • katkelly57

      Hell, I’d be all over a chocolate babka….or a Key Lime pie.

  • BobSF_94117

    I can’t bear to watch. Did anyone ask if any of his employees wanted to bake the cake (like they bake all the others)?

  • BobSF_94117

    Someone should have asked him if he got a cut of all the donations raised.

  • Robert

    Jesus told his followers that they would be persecuted for him. And then he told them to whine about it. Or, was it turn the other cheek?

  • Stubenville

    Jesus Would Refuse To Serve Gays

    Citation required.

    • Tor

      It’s a well-known fact that Jesus hates the same people I hate.

      • Stubenville

        Well, he told me something completely different. (Or maybe that was just indigestion from the burritos and margaritas last night.)

    • lymis

      Jesus cured the body slave of the Roman Centurion. That would have been understood by anyone at the time as being a same sex sexual relationship, and the writing of the story makes it clear that the Centurion had at least a serious fondness for the slave.

  • BobSF_94117

    If he didn’t want to participate in the preparation of the cake, fine, let an employee do it. If an employee of his didn’t want to bake the cake, it’s his responsibility to find someone who will, either another employee or a contractor.

  • Not that long ago, when asked about gay marriage in Texas, then governor Rick Perry said that if gay people didn’t like not being able to get married in Texas they should move to another state where they could. I didn’t hear a single anti-gay person object to that. So the same rule should apply here. There are tons of places in this country where this would have been legal and he should move his shop to one of those.

    • Ninja0980

      Hell, he could even move to NY state.
      There are red parts of it where he could get away with it because the areas it happens in usually aren’t big enough to make a fuss over.
      Stupid theory but it’s sadly held up.

  • Tiger Quinn

    So now you’re speaking for your imaginary god, who wrote in your book of Fables “Do not speak for me ever or I will burn your soul forever in the afterlife that probably doesn’t exist.” I don’t blame you for being confused – how about you just bake a fucking cake and quit worrying about it.

  • The_Wretched

    Last I heard, Jesus was friends of taxcollectors and prostitutes. He wasn’t about turning people away.

    • jimbo65

      More to the point, he never mentioned gays or whether it was “right or wrong ” to be gay.

      • I smell money for that baker. In my crystal ball, I see a branch of bakeries being set up around his state.

  • Stephen D. Ward

    Is there not a very serious sin involved when Colorado baker Jack Phillips believes he can speak for GOD? just sayin’.

  • TKW

    Ok, call me old fashion but if I was to get married it would NOT be a Christian ceremony. Probably Buddhist or pagan or not religious at all, just a vow and a license so I could enjoy the same tax cuts and legal benefits. So as long as I am not asking for a Christian marriage why would he care? Does the law of the land refer specifically to Christian marriages? Please help me here!

  • Carl

    Jesus was a carpenter. I have a hard time picturing the Jesus I read about in the Bible chasing gays out of his workshop with a hammer for wanting to buy a table.

  • No More GOP.

    I don’t really care that much about what a mythical character would or would not do. I’m more concerned with equitable treatment of my fellow humans.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    Typical religious freak who makes it up as he goes along.

  • rednekokie

    Nope — wrong answer again — Jesus said ” if you deny even the least of these, you deny me”.
    Dat’s in da buybul.

    • Snarkaholic

      True. He also said to love your enemies as yourselves; so the bigots have NO excuse to spout their hatred.

  • And Jesus paused before feeding the 5,000 strangers who had come to see and listen to him speak. He sent his 12 disciples to various parts of the crowd. They shouted “Stand up if you are gay?” No bread for you. Again, they shouted, “Stand up if you are a sinner; no bread for you!” And Jesus was pleased and he and the twelve disciples sat down and ate all the bread themselves. LOL. snark.

  • Hanwi

    If you serve heterosexuals that have been previously married or have had premarital sex then you have to serve gays because you have already abandoned your religion.

  • kareemachan

    Well, he seems like a closeted homosexual….

    Also, his heart seems to be hate-filled. Not very xtian, IMHO.

  • JWC

    Ah but would he bake a cake for Trump whom I am sure must conflict several of his religious sensibilities

  • cleos_mom

    There’s a Gospel account of Jesus doing a remote healing of a Roman centurion’s beloved “servant”. The word used was “pais”, which could mean just “young person” but more often than not had a sexual connotation. And it’s not likely that Jesus, who was impressed with the man’s confidence in him (“I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel”).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healing_the_centurion%27s_servant

    Jesus has become meaningless to much of Christianity; basically just a kind of brand icon like Betty Crocker. And the other churches’ silence gets more deafening every year.

    • joe ho

      That’s been debunked except by desperate gay christers who want an anti-gay religion like christianity to approve their homosexuality.

      If the Biblical authors wanted to indicate a sexual relationship they would have used paidika (beloved youth), not pais, which if it doesn’t mean child, means servant/slave.

      http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3Dpai%3Ds

      Christianity arose from a fanatically ascetic branch of Judaism. At its heart is a puritanical approach to sexuality which does not include same-sex sex. It set itself up as an alternative to the sexually indulgent/permissive Greco-Roman culture in which it developed.

      Gay Christers need to accept that basic reality and move on instead of pretending Christianity is something it’s not.

      • Schlukitz

        I find it a paradox that one can be gay and also call one’s self a Christian.

        Like oil and water.

      • Xuuths

        Um, no. Sorry, you’re wrong. Historians and linguists (you know, the actual experts) completely disagree with you.

        • joe ho

          lol.

          They don’t.

      • cleos_mom

        Christianity arose from a fanatically ascetic branch of Judaism.

        Christianity grew out of Judaism but was influenced by other religions of the day. The “basic realities” appear to be whatever extremists of any stripe want them to be.

        • joe ho

          The ascetic nature of early Christianity is well documented. It is marked by a renunciation of things of this earth–including sexual pleasure. This attitude was part of the expectation that the world was going to end any day now with the second coming of Jesus.

          There is no way that gay butt sex was on the program of the early Christians. That’s why gay Christers are such a pitiful lot.

  • MBear

    If jeebus cannot testify in court, the argument is invalid

  • SnowFlake

    Their religion states clearly judge not lest ye be judged. He is acting as the judge for gay couples.

    • -M-

      They have a hard time with the whole ‘you are not in charge of judging or punishing “sins” thing’. Which seems weird for people who supposedly believe in a perfect all knowing being who will see to it that everyone eventually gets what they deserve.

    • grada3784

      Actually, that’s not a command; it’s a warning that we’ll be held to the same standards we hold others to.

  • stanhope

    Bitch, if Jesus came down your ass would be in real trouble….like the merchants in the Temple. Cakes probably taste like shit anyway.

  • infmom

    I am sure that Abraham and Jacob and David and Solomon and all their many wives and concubines are laughing and pointing at idiots like this.

  • Kruhn

    Yeah Jesus, a man who hung out with whores, tax farmers (basically government sanctioned thieves), and lepers (the First Century’s HIV- positive cases) wouldn’t have baked the cake.

    Jesus would’ve baked the most awesome cake, built a gazebo, and officiated the wedding himself as he was a rabbi! Why is it that Jesus’s followers are the biggest assholes in the world? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a2a3b3705c1382ead3b2502b7dde5ef0dbdaac2c268f34d9e5805d8d49fa9cc5.jpg

    • Gianni

      My bad, but I want “cakes” – his! And I, personally, will arrange for the frosting.

  • jm2

    y’all don’t know your Jesus, man…! btw – Jesus was not a christian! HE WAS JEWISH! he held no christian beliefs! get over yourselves. now THAT Jesus would do – get over YOU…

  • DN

    What the fuck is an adult party?

  • William

    Show me where exactly Jesus said anything about the gays.

  • greenmanTN

    Here’s what really pisses me off about our media. They know they’re having a religious idealogue like this on but they don’t bother to prepare, arm themselves with information to truly contradict their “guest” using things from his own playing field.

    I’m atheist, yet I know more about many things in the Bible than so called fundamentalist Christians. 30 minutes on Google and their researchers could have given them many talking points to refute his bullshit, but they go into it blind, without substantial ammo to refute them. DO SOME GODDAMN RESEARCH!

    What did Jesus say about gays? Nothing. He had quite a bit to say about divorce though.

    The story of the Roman who begged Jesus to heal his male servant who was ill used a word to describe the servant (slave) which was most often used to describe sexual servants, not domestic servants. Thus, there is reasonable speculation that the Roman asked Jesus to heal the man he loved. Jesus did so and then praised the Roman and his servant for their faith.

    There are other examples throughout the old and new testaments of the context and what is meant by certain passages.

    It’s all well and good to say “this is made-up bullshit,” which I believe, but it doesn’t confront their specific arguments. Sometimes you have to get down in the sandbox with them and fight them on their own level.

    There is a scene in the TV movie “Doing Time On Maple Drive” (It’s really good, I swear) starring Jim Carrey in an early dramatic role as the alcoholic older brother, where the father, speaking to his newly “out” son, says (paraphrase) “We need to find the arguments against this. His son says “Dad, I don’t care.” The father says, “I don’t want to hear people saying things like that about my son without being able to respond, so we need to look into it,” and it’s clear how he aches to defend his son. All the performances in it are great (Bibi Besch, who you’ve seen in a thousand commercials, is the mother from Hell) and it’s really worth a look.

    My point is that you don’t have to be a believer to fight them on their own field, using facts and scholarship. It’s just another weapon in the arsenal.

  • MoonlightUnkindledOne

    Easy solution for this asshole: If you don’t want to serve gay couples or any couple whose relationship you don’t approve of, get out of the business of being a public accommodation and look for something else to do. No? It’s the responsibility of the couple being discriminated against to go elsewhere not for the asshole to look for another avenue of work? Or is it the argument of “But freedom of association” that matters more than the argument of “bigot needs to stop being a damn snowflake or find a different avenue of work”?
    Tl;dr for the bigoted ass: Don’t want to serve gays? Find something else to do.

  • Richard B

    Hmmm, the baker is assuming that Jesus, the man who never married, the man who ran around the countryside with a bunch of men he said he loved, preaching love the neighbor, would not make a cake for a gay couple who professed they loved one another.
    This is what you call a BIGOT.
    A BIGOT who uses the bible to justify his bigotry.

  • Jerry Kopp

    No he wouldnt refuse Jesus WAS GAY in that fantasy story Learn your religion and read your bible . YUGE fail.

  • I don’t think the historical Jesus would have baked a cake…but he did one better…according to the writers of the gospel, Jesus healed the male lover of the gay Centurion – neither of whom likely shared Jesus’ deeply held “religious” beliefs.

    It is time to call out so-called “christians” who pick and choose their gospel verses to justify their own prejudice and hatred. LGBT persons have been beaten to death with the cross and no wonder we tend to reject and ridicule christians like Phillips. But perhaps we should return the favor and use their gospels/bible (which is full of wonderful contradictions) to undermine their blatant hypocrisy.

  • Jesus would have baked the cake for David and JOnathan;s wedding (1 Sam. 18:3)

  • Gianni

    I am always awed by dyed-in-the-wool Christians who readily know what Jesus would think, say, and do. In their minds the Bible is like their personal crystal ball of Jesus. Plus, no matter how biased, bigoted, or warped their attitudes are, God/Jesus would agree with them, no question. That whole fantasy works well when one, personally determines the words, thoughts, and actions that would compel Jesus to agree with and be just like them. Most of us always make our fantasies play out in our favor. That’s part of what them fantasies.

    • M Jackson

      Jesus is the ultimate Bendable Buddy.

      • Gianni

        🙂 Good analogy.

  • Gianni

    Fortunately for Jesus, there was no such thing as cake with frosting as we know it today.

  • grada3784

    Jesus hates me,
    this I know
    because Christian shits like this
    go out of their way to show me so.

  • Macbill

    White Jesus could never stop talking about homosexuality while he promoted the Prosperity Forward Movement and super huge eyes-of-needles with genetically miniaturized camels.

  • Happy_Housewife

    Jack, let me lay it out for you: Jesus was a 32 year old blue collar guy who never married, idolized his mother, and had twelve very close guy friends. He liked to party and go camping in the desert.

    I really don’t think he had a problem with the gays.

  • KQCA

    Jesus also said..
    “Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:26

    Jesus also said..
    “I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.” Matthew 10:35-36

    Jesus also said..
    “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Luke 18:18-22

    Jesus also said..
    “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.” (Basically, he’s saying, “Suck my cock.”) John 6:53-58

    Jesus also said..
    “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.” (He is anti-family.) Matthew 19:29, Mark 10:29-30, Luke 18:29-30

    Jesus also said..

  • sword

    Sort of suspicious that Jesus only hung around with 12 guys and the only women were his mother and a prostitute.

  • StreetBanana

    Always liked Joy Behar; not sure who the other women on the panel are anymore. But this is super annoying to watch. I guess I wouldn’t expect the View panel to be that well versed in the Bible, but if only one of them had said, “Jesus didn’t say one word about homosexuality.” I mean, why bring on this man (and his attorney!) just to give it the most cursory, superficial treatment? idk, I guess you could say that about all such programs.

    I seem to be having trouble finding my point, except this affected me like a rash, it just left me squirming. No one here, the baker or the panel, did the subject matter any favors.

    (And religion is a bunch of hooey.)

  • HappyDance904

    From my understanding, there is a top 10 list that the Jesus follows. Additionally, Jesus would frown severely upon the Trump administration and their “travel ban of Muslims…” And, don’t even get me started on the way the Jews are treated…I mean; after all, Jesus was a Jew….In conclusion, if Jesus was a Middle-Eastern Jew, why to the white Repubics worship him? He stands for NOTHING they believe in!

  • RoFaWh

    This makes it clear his objection is based in his particular religious beliefs. The courts may be interested in that.

  • Andy

    Redneck republ asshole. I hope your bakery goes down the drain.

    • Schlukitz

      If his rumpled, unkempt appearance (his shirt and jacket look like he slept in them) is any indication, it may have already gone down the drain and his bid for for a SCOTUS hearing may well be nothing more than an attempt to sue the couple if he is successful in getting SCOTUS to back him up.

  • Tom Kidd

    I don’t believe in Jesus for one simple reason: There’s no such thing as “virgin birth”. If you knotheads want to believe in it, go ahead and help yourself. But leave me out of your self-deception.

  • david fairfield

    Is that his dildo behind him?

  • marshlc

    The question is not what Jesus would do, the question is “What is the law in your state?” Your interpretation of the possible actions of the possibly mythical founder of your faith are not even binding on fellow followers of that faith, much less the public at large.

    What most of us do, if the duties of a particular job offend our consciences, is to not take that job. There are reasons I am not a gun merchant, or a soldier, or someone who forecloses on mortgages. There appears to be a reason you should not be a baker who supplies wedding cakes. you’re not that special, bud, you’re just someone who is not well suited to your job.

  • Ginger Snap

    Brainwashed bigots are just so amazingly stupid.

  • Lauren Brooks

    News flash, the institution of marriage predates biblical history, therefore Christianity or any other religions do not own the rights to marriage and thereby superseded from mandating its parameters. A marriage bonding between any individuals ordained by whatever belief system they have is a true marriage irregardless of others beliefs. It’s called a free society for a reason !

    • Schlukitz

      This!

  • Paula

    The crazy look is his eyes is wild.

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  • Gregory Peterson

    Jesus wasn’t a baker.

    Would Jesus have turned water into wine at a Gay wedding reception?

  • Xuuths

    Jesus blessed a same-sex couple:

    http://qspirit.net/gay-centurion/

  • Mike Ketterman

    I sure wish those ladies were more informed, bless their little hearts. He doesn’t make Halloween cakes for anybody, if he didn’t make wedding cakes for anybody, then it would be the same thing. Why did she let him get away with “I don’t judge,” when it came to serving adulterers? What exactly is the difference between “I’m marrying my same-sex love” or “I’m marrying my second wife” One of those is explicitly a sin in the Bible, and it’s not the same sex marriage one.
    The idea that he keeps comparing himself to Jesus, Jesus would do it I did, what an arrogant prick.
    The whole concept, that he can meet two people who ask for a service that he offers everybody else and he “judges” that what they’re using the cake for is wrong, and say he’s not judging. Keep in mind, nobody was asking him to put the words “homosexual marriage” on the cake. The only mechanism that prevented him from selling them a cake, was his judgment of them.
    Yes, making a wedding cake is an art, but so is shoveling snow, but then he thinks he’s like a God, ( you know just like Jesus) therefore his job is art while other peoples aren’t.
    And speechwriters don’t work in the public market place, or have I missed the “Speeches R Us” stor at the local mall?
    He is perfectly free to open a private bakery that only serves the religious community, but this isn’t about that, this is about him forcing his religious views down the throats of society, and making a profit. And don’t kid yourself, he’s made a fortune off of this bullshit.

  • Ogre Magi

    I am so sick of christians and all their crap

  • Fur Hunter

    It is truly sad how these ignorant, intolerant and bigoted religious fundamentalists pick and choose verses that they like to use as a weapon against those they dislike or disagree with. But they TOTALLY ignore other verses that apply to them. Hey…This guy should NEVER be making a cake if the couple has been divorced, had premarital sex, eaten a pork chop or shrimp. Those verses are in that stupid BOOK, too. Yeah….He just ignores those verses. He is nothing but a F-ing @$$HOLE hypocrite.

  • Keith

    If you sell cakes, then sell cakes, it is not your problem what they are used for. If you don’t want to serve gay people don’t have a public business, have a private “Christian only” business.

  • sfthomas

    men put limits on Jesus and God….how does that work?