BREAKING: German Parliament Approves Same-Sex Marriage In 393-226 Vote, Angela Merkel Votes Against

Deutsche Welle reports:

The German parliament, or Bundestag, on Friday passed a bill legalizing same-sex marriages in a snap vote that made it onto the agenda before the summer break after a surprise shift by Chancellor Angela Merkel. The bill passed by 393 to 226, with four abstentions. Merkel herself voted against the bill, although it was comments from her that helped bring it about.

Germany’s approval of homosexual marriages adds it to the growing list of Western countries that allow such unions. Fourteen European countries have now made gay marriage legal, with the Netherlands leading the way in 2001.

From the New York Times:

“If the Constitution guarantees one thing, it is that anyone in this country can live as they wish,” said Thomas Oppermann, the parliamentary leader of the opposition Social Democrats, while debating the law. “If gay marriage is decided, then many will receive something, but nobody will have something taken away.”

Arnd Bächler, a counselor and addiction therapist at a gay counseling center in Berlin, praised the legislation. “It’s very positive for the self-esteem of gays and lesbians; it’s very important for people coming out, knowing that they have this equality; and it sends a clear message to any homophobic refugees coming to Germany: We have equality here,” he said, anticipating that the legislation would pass.

Approval of same-sex marriage in Germany could build momentum for similar legislation in other German-speaking countries, like Austria and Switzerland, said Katrin Hugendubel, advocacy director of ILGA-Europe, a gay and transgender rights group. She said the developments in Germany illustrated the difference that opposition parties could make.

  • Mike Solo

    Now onto Northern Ireland!

    • Helen in Ireland

      There’s a rally in Belfast on Saturday, let’s beat the Neanderthal DUP!

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Aren’t they May’s coalition partners now?

        • Dazzer

          Yep, but a lot of Conservative MPs are horrified that they are in coalition with them.

          Yesterday the DUP was given a massive slap in the face by their Conservative partners when the government agreed to fund abortion in England for Northern Irish women.

          Either the Government agreed to this, or they would have lost a vote in Parliament that would have been supported by rebel Conservatives.

    • ChrisMorley

      First the power-sharing Executive of Sinn Féin and the homophobes of the DUP need to kiss and make up, before the Assembly can even begin meeting again to discuss marriage equality.
      The deadline for Executive negotiations has been extended (again and again, again) to Monday afternoon. Otherwise it’s Direct Rule from Westminster led by the Conservatives propped up by the DUP, or another snap general elction for the Assembly.
      http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2017/06/30/news/sinn-fe-in-and-the-dup-hit-out-at-each-other-after-talks-deadline-passes-1071741/
      The Belfast Telegraph thinks there will be a deal because both parties have too much to lose under Direct Rule from Westminster. The Members won’t get paid for one thing. http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/sam-mcbride-major-risks-for-dup-as-well-as-for-sinn-fein-in-any-form-of-direct-rule-1-8033426

      The only good thing to come of their failure to agree is that the DUP’s utter opposition to abortion reform in Northern Ireland has been slyly subverted and Northern Irish women will now be able to get abortions, funded by the National Health Service, in England. Thousands of Irish women fly to the UK to have abortions and they are charged at least £500.
      The London Labour MP Stella Creasy skillfully extracted agreement and the funding for this reform from the weak Prime Minister Theresa May on Thursday. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/29/rebel-tories-could-back-northern-ireland-abortion-amendment

  • Misutaa Roboto

    Way to go, Germany!

  • JoeMyGod

    And I’m going back to bed! Stupid rotating planet.

    • David L. Caster

      Think of the Earth as a rotisserie that can improve your tan and sunny disposition.

      Goodnight.

    • Dutchlander

      Thanks for staying awake and alerting us, here in Europe, to the vote going on and the live link to the debates! Sleep well.

    • Ranger One

      Good night, dear Prince.

    • medaka

      Thank you, Joe! And sweet dreams!

    • whollyfool

      Xkcd.com/now

  • Helen in Ireland

    Yay!!!!!

    • Gustav2

      Morning Helen! Good to see you.

  • BEARY FLINTSTONE
    • FAEN

      Bitmoji?

  • Do Something Nice

    Before the Guardian! Good job!

  • TheManicMechanic

    Got up in the middle of the night to post my enthusiastic approval, now I can hit the sack. Again.

    Yay!

  • Edmund Allin

    Mein Gott that was quick!

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Germanys govt is still functioning…..

  • Dutchlander
    • Keiffer

      I thought I would add this information from Wikipedia:

      The legislation, which previously passed the Bundesrat in September 2015, passed the Bundestag by 393 votes to 226 on 30 June 2017.

      The Bundesrat is expected to not raise an objection (Einspruch) in a vote scheduled for 7 July 2017, after which the President can sign it into law.

      The law will come into effect three months after promulgation.

    • narutomania

      I do like that simple little three-word phrase: Marriage For All.

      No ‘gay’ or ‘same-sex’, as if they were separate (but equal, right?) institutions for other kinds of people. No. It’s just ‘marriage for all’. Ausgezeichnet.

  • scream4ever

    Next up, Malta, where a vote is scheduled to take place on July 5th!

    • KnownDonorDad

      BONUS SADZ ROUND!

    • Jamie Wilson

      Longer term, we want: Austria, Switzerland, Australia, Nepal, and Chile.

      • Paul

        Italy would be nice too.

        • GayOldLady

          Over the this Pope’s and the next Pope’s and the next Pope’s and the next Pope’s dead body.

          • Paul

            Hey, if it can be done in Ireland…

          • No More GOP.

            I’m OK with that!

          • David Walker

            That could probably be arranged.

          • narutomania

            Yeah. I wouldn’t hold my breath when it comes to Italy and marriage equality. First there’s the tough outer catholic crust that simply is encasing the multiple layers of sexism, male-privilege, and anti-LGBT sentiments. Lots to unwrap there.

            But hey: if it can happen in Spain and Ireland, there’s hope!

        • Jamie Wilson

          We’ll get Italy, but not in the next round. They just got civil unions, so that lays the groundwork for marriage. Give it 2-3 years.

          • Paul

            You said “long-term,” though. I assume long-term to mean within the next decade.

          • Jamie Wilson

            I meant longer term than July 5, which is the date for Malta. If you wanna talk about truly long term, as in the next 10-20 years, we should be talking about Japan and the two biggest fish of all, China and India.

          • Paul

            And Israel

          • (((GC)))

            Israel needs civil marriage, period.

            They recognize marriages (including same-sex marriages) performed abroad, but within the country family status matters like marriage and divorce are delegated to several religious authorities, such as the Chief Rabbinate of Israel for Jews. Couples of mixed religions or no religion can’t legally marry within Israel.

        • Steve Smith

          My husband and I “civil unioned” in Italy last month. I think we’re still a way off full marriage equality here. The catholics are still very influential here! Its like going back in time 30 years.

          • UrsusArctos

            Spain and Brazil have a few Catholics and did Marriage Equality 12 years age. With Germany it leaves the other German speaking countries (Switzerland/Austria) and Italy as the only western states without Equality. Italy will move on this.

          • Roger

            But keep in mind that Brazil got it through the courts. The religious lawmakers have always roadblocked a vote on the matter.

          • UrsusArctos

            Same in the US. :/

      • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

        Yo quiero: México.

        • Jamie Wilson

          My understanding is that Mexico is already essentially a marriage equality country. The Mexican supreme court ruled for marriage equality and now there is a lengthy process where cases are brought in individual states, where the Supreme Court’s decision is applied and becomes governing law in that state.

          • Paul

            Yes, but it seems like the process is dragging on FOREVER.

          • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

            You are correct. We need to get rid of that “lengthy process” of couples having to sue their own state to be allowed to marry.

      • Bubba in TX

        Sounds like a game of RISK: Marriage Edition.

      • clay

        Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, South Korea, Japan
        You may say I’m a dreamer.

        • (((GC)))

          But you’re not the only one.

        • Jamie Wilson

          Vietnam and Japan are real prospects within the next decade. Vietnam in particular looks to be a good prospect, roughly on par with Nepal. If we get Vietnam, that will increase the chances of picking up Laos and Cambodia.

          South Korea just swapped out a pro-gay president for an anti-gay one, so that’s off the table for a while, but eventually, it will follow Japan and Taiwan. I have heard nothing about Singapore, and oddly enough, nothing about Thailand.

      • Mark Cross

        Don’t forget Lichtenstein! 😀

  • TheSeer

    Angela Merkel is not the leader of the free world but the shame of the free world. I hear she is concerned about gay people adopting children. Yeah, why give children to fags and dykes when Catholic Church has a lot of institutions where such children will be given love. I repeat, given love.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/29/senior-vatican-official-cardinal-pell-facing-child-sex-abuse/

    • Shy Guy

      Last I heard she had changed her mind after being moved by how a lesbian couple in her constituency were raising 8 foster children.

      Not moved enough to vote yes, I guess, even when it was a foregone conclusion it would pass anyway. I presume her vote was more to save face with her more conservative allies, though I’m pretty sure they’ll blame her for this anyway.

      • Gustav2

        She never leaves a fence un-sat.

        • Jeffg166

          When the backlash happens she’ll be able to say I didn’t vote for it.

          • Gustav2

            She keeps her conservative coalition together and stops the left from using one issue to gain more power.

          • zhera

            Pretty smart, actually.

          • StillALiberal

            Yep – She is able to appear to be both anti-SSM (by personally voting against) and pro-SSM (by allowing her party a free vote). Politically astute but not very principled!

          • pepón

            She never was. A German stand-up comedian tells it like this: when Angela Merkel finds everyone in front of her, she turns around, and announces, “they stand all behind me”.

  • Snownova

    It’s about bloody time.

  • Tawreos

    Love Wins…Again!

  • DrRobY

    I wonder if Mat Staver will sue.

    • Tawreos

      He is dumb enough to try, but only if he can fund-raise off of it.

    • KnownDonorDad

      He’ll sue ALL OF GERMANY

    • FAEN

      Fuck him!

      • (((GC)))

        HELL no!

        • FAEN

          Not literally lol.

    • Dean

      Good luck with that. Germany is nowhere near as litigious a country as the USA is, and they don’t play when it comes to frivolous lawsuits.

  • TimJ

    Its funny, I live next door to Germany in the Netherlands, the first country to legalize same sex marriage. I’ve always been a bit surprised that Germany didn’t grant the right years ago.

    • JT

      Now you know the answer: Merkel. She’s been the roadblock as Chancellor since 2005.

      • Probably not. If her party, the CDU/CSU (in Bavaria it has another name – the Christian Social Union) had another leader in the Bundestag, they would continue to block it. The CSU has a strong Catholic heritage and has been opposed to marriage equality.

      • crewman

        I heard her say this morning, that she interprets the Constitution limits marriage to a man and a woman and that’s why she voted no. I hate when people hide behind arguments like this. She should just tell the truth, that she personally is bothered by gay sex and should quit hiding behind high ideals. If she wasn’t bothered by gay sex, she would “interpret the Constitution” to be in favor of same-sex marriage.

        • JT

          There’s nothing in the German constitution that supports that interpretation.

      • David Walker

        It’s election time, right? As much as I like her, I think this was a “cover her ass” move. She’ll evolve after the elections.

        • JT

          I’m not sure about her evolution unless others bring pressure to bear on her.

    • KnownDonorDad

      A German colleague I was chatting with a few years ago, who has lived in the States for some time, thought it was legal already. And this is an extremely educated guy, not your average Hans. (Sorry)

      • Chris Baker

        Just a theory, but Germany did have civil partnerships, so maybe there was the confusion from that. Both marriages and civil partnerships are done at the registry office. Followed by the optional church wedding, if that is desired. The nuances may be lost on those who aren’t really paying attention to the issue. Maybe he knew some gays who said they got married, –or had a ceremony at a church — when they really meant “civilly partnered” as “married” is easier to explain.

      • TampaZeke

        I have a very close, very intelligent friend who thought the same thing. He argued with me about it and finally had to admit that he checked into it and was shocked to find that I was right.

    • Politics. The Bavarian part of Angela Merkel’s ruling Christian Democrats, the Christian Social Union, has been the party of conservative Catholic church interests and simply was blocking the move, along with more conservative members of her party. Germany likes to govern through consensus coalition arrangements.

      • HeyYouKidsGetOffMyLawn

        Yep. Bavaria = Deep South US. On many levels, in many ways very similar.

        • Craig Howell

          By no coincidence, very Catholic and tradition-infested Bavaria was a major part of Hitler’s base.

          • EyeJelly

            Saxony is even worse.

      • TampaZeke

        The vote count doesn’t look like they were governing through consensus coalition arrangements. It looks like they were whipping against their own coalition consensus.

        • Did someone say whipping? I have to get out my old Lee Ryder / Jon King videos.

          • Hank
          • narutomania

            Ohhhhhh hummina-hummina … Lee Ryder was THE man for me back in the day. Well, he often still is. (*coff coff*)

            I so prefer his lean physique and natural handsomeness over the super-chiseled plastic-looking physiques of so many porn performers these days.

            There are exceptions, certainly.

          • Hank

            That pic, was one of the only ones of him, that did NOT show him “hung”, that I could put on the site. 😈 Despite his youthfulness, there, he has an “intensity” and “roughness” that appeals!

      • UrsusArctos

        Yep. Bavaria is more or less Germany’s TX.

  • kaydenpat

    Fantastic!

  • Fritz Keppler

    Ausgezeichnet!

    • JCF

      Jawohl!

    • Hryflex

      Affengeil!

  • JCF

    I assume Merkel’s vote against was some kind of political chicanery to (try to) placate her conservative base? “Ach, I foted against—kvit your beetchink…”

    • BCNative

      My thoughts exactly. With a victory margin approaching 2-1 she knew her vote wouldn’t make a difference to the outcome.

  • Cackalaquiano

    What the hell Angela? Against?

    • Zollergasse

      Like Queen Elizabeth, Merkel is no true friend of the gays. They tolerate us – but they still aren’t comfortable with us. These women deserve none of the credit some gay guys have been heaping on them lately. Great day for Germany. I hope they follow suit here in Austria soon.

      • ChrisMorley

        Except the personal views of Queen Elizabeth have no impact on British government policy and LGBT legal rights. She’s a constitutional figurehead.

        • Reality.Bites

          Yes, but people keep confusing things she says in the Queen’s Speech with her opinion when she’s merely reading a statement of government intentions.

          In the UK they would never report, as I saw repeatedly in US media, that she has pledged to protect LGBTQ rights when in fact the Tory government has.

      • I am curious. Why are you dumping on Queen Elizabeth? Your comment begins with the clause “like Queen Elizabeth” but offers no evidence against her. She is also constitutionally limited in expressing an opinion and holds no real power in comparison to Angela Merkel. Why are you convinced she is “no true friend of the gays?”, and why is she even relevant here?

        • Zollergasse

          Last week when QEII read the government’s programme, she mentioned protection of gays – and virtually all the gay press said: “QEII vows to protect the LGBT Community.” She did nothing of the sort. She was reading the script she was given. Yet lots of gay guys were saying: She’s fierce.” “You go girl!” etc. QEII has never voiced support for our community in all her years of service. 30 years ago Princess Diana was visiting AIDS hospices – it’s not like other royals were shying away. Here’s a great quote from the British gay rights activist Peter Tatchell:

          “While I doubt that Elizabeth II is a raging homophobe, she certainly doesn’t appear to gay-friendly. Not once in her 60-year reign has she publicly acknowledged the existence of the LGBT community – or gay members of her own royal family. The Queen has turned her back on queens.

          While she has spoken approvingly of the UK’s many races and faiths, for six decades she has ignored LGBT Britons. Judging from her silence, it seems that we are the unspeakable ones – the people she cannot bare to acknowledge or mention in public. Why the double standards?”

          To listen to some queens, you’d think she was Martina Navratilova.

          • Correct, the information she read was in the throne speech. Constitutionally, It is not “her” speech. It is written by the government (her Prime Minister) and handed to her to read “in a neutral voice” from the throne in the House of Lords at the opening session of Parliament. It is not given to her beforehand. She is not to express any personal opinion, and read exactly what is handed to her.
            People outside of the U.K. read more into her personal views than British people do. I am sure they have changed over her lifetime. Take a look at this Pink News article. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/04/21/the-queens-turned-90-and-heres-all-the-lgbt-laws-she-signed/

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          The disdain elizabeth had over diana’s gay friendships and diana’s AIDS charity work is enuf evidence the queen has no empathy for gays.
          That being said maybe she has changed her mind.

          • bsinps

            That’s odd, half her staff is LGBT and have been in Her Majesty’s service for most of their working years, as was with the Queen Mother. Harry has picked up after his mother and continues the HIV/AIDS charities. So does the Duchess of Cambridge.
            Queen Elizabeth has has been very open minded and was not against Gay marriage.

      • Dramphooey

        I’m not really under the impression she’s getting credit for supporting LGBTQ rights. She’s getting credit for standing for the free world when the President of the United States isn’t. That’s it.

    • Dramphooey

      It would have been nicer if the leader of the free world had voted in favor of human rights.

    • Adam King

      She’s the daughter of a protestant minister and the leader of the conservative party. She got it passed while maintaining her conservative credentials. She knows how politics is played.

      • Cackalaquiano

        I suspect you’re right

  • JT

    Hurrah for Germany.

    Boo for Merkel. What a stupid, ignorant move. You personally held your country in the Dark Ages for too long and now the world can see.

  • Homo Erectus

    Congratulations Germany! – and Brian Brown becomes less relevant.

    • Salton

      Washe ever relevant?

    • Mark Cross

      Bri Bri gets to spend more time in Tanzania and Moldova and Uzbekistan now!

  • Gustav2
  • Miji

    Congrats Germany! It’s about time.

  • ChrisMorley

    OT
    Is it too early for this? https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/abc65f520fe61116df70b3698a137044eb351455/759_356_5161_4021/master/5161.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=57b7d384c92d74a49445d2c69b91196a

    It’s posh wealthy white English boys at the annual Henley Regatta, doncha know.

    The Guardian has a good photo essay on this year’s regatta, on now.
    It is hideously white, and multi-cultural diverse Britain is another world.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/30/blazers-and-bubbly-a-henley-regatta-photo-essay

    • AmeriCanadian

      Hideously white?

      • Adam King

        I see the white boys, but I can’t find the hideous anywhere.

    • nope. definitely not too early.
      right on time actually.
      good morning even!
      wowee!

    • JT

      They all could use instruction in handling oars.

  • KnownDonorDad
  • zhera

    Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

    Congrats to all Germans!!

    I’d like to know why Merkel voted against. She didn’t seem to oppose SSM so is it something with the process or details with the law?

    • Paul

      I’m guessing her constituents in her district would vote her out if she voted yes?

      It can be the only explanation. She doesn’t seem like the Ted Cruz type on these culture war issues.

  • KnownDonorDad

    I still enjoy Tracey Ullman’s impression of Merkel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rMo87P-nDc

    • Oh yes! She does a fantastic Markel! But hey, it’s Tracy did you expect anything less than perfection?

      • KnownDonorDad

        But of course! LOVE Tracey.

  • ohbear1957
    • That’s hysterical! Thanks for posting this!! 😄

    • whollyfool

      Stealing…

    • KnownDonorDad

      HIYOOOOOOOOOO

    • JT

      This would be funnier if hypocrite Melanoma had not just defended Drumpf’s bullying while claiming to be on an anti-bullying campaign.

      • David Walker

        Maybe she defines it differently.

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    • DaddyRay

      I wonder if Donnie will hang that Fake Time magazine cover

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    Eat a bag of dicks, haters. Muhaha. Maybe I can now marry a hot German leather daddy XD

  • lymis

    “Merkel herself voted against the bill, although it was comments from her that helped bring it about.”

    This is how actual democracy works.

    • KnownDonorDad

      Democracy, plus the intricacies of political alliances, I suppose.

  • FAEN

    So happy for our German brothers and sisters.

    Love is Love is Love!

  • Boreal
  • Baltimatt
  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Merkel voted against?!
    Stupid dinosaurs never know whether to evolve or go extinct.

  • safari

    Yay!

    Btw, Donald just said he wants to invade Chicago.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Thousands of “liberating” Russian troops have already surrounded the windy city.
      Puppet Donnie is just waiting for Putin to give the word.

      • KnownDonorDad

        I fell sorry for the Russians. Daaa Bearssss!

  • Jamie Wilson

    Absolutely amazing that this happened. What a great day. The events leading to the passage of marriage equality were triggered when a 28-year old gay fellow named Ulli Köppe asked Merkel on a TV show when he would be able to introduce his partner as his husband. That guy, who btw is hella cute, is now becoming a minor celebrity. He is amazed and bewildered at how his question set things in motion, leading to passage of marriage equality less than a week after he asked it.

    • barrixines

      Here’s the young chap. Gifted with languages on top of all his other assets.

      https://www.noz-cdn.de/media/2017/06/30/urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-170628-90-023605_201706300629_full.jpg

      • JT

        I want to hear more about his assets.

        • Michael

          Correction: I want to know more about his ass etc

          • Jamie Wilson

            lol! Sorry, but his ass will be married on or about November 1!

          • Karl Dubhe

            That’s never bothered me. 🙂

          • (((GC)))

            Some people have open marriages… just sayin’…

          • Jamie Wilson

            #Monogamy

          • (((GC)))

            Works for a lot of people.

    • Baltimatt
      • Fritz Keppler

        After the US, marriage equality in Germany makes me happier than in any other country. My husband and I have been together for almost 39 years, and we got married in Virginia as soon as it became legal.

        • Baltimatt

          Belated congratulations!

          • Fritz Keppler

            And Ulli is gorgeous! Thanks!

      • John30013

        Didn’t understand a thing he said, but I could watch him say it all day :-). Cute and smart. His “friend” of 12 years is a lucky guy!

    • Dramphooey

      Wow; I guess that old trope about “have you even asked for it?” is true.

  • Baltimatt

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/world/europe/germany-gay-marriage.html

    The measure now goes to the upper house of Parliament for formal approval and then requires the signature of President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, meaning Germany’s first same-sex marriages are on track to be celebrated in the early fall.

  • Paul

    What a way to end Pride Month!

    • TuuxKabin

      Forgot about it being the last day of PRIDE month. Thanks!

      Was a hot afternoon
      The last day in June
      And the sun was a demon

      110 in the shade
      The clouds were afraid
      And the pavement was steamin’

      I told Billy Ray
      In his red Chevrolet
      I needed time for some thinking
      I was just walking by
      When I looked in his eye
      And I swore it was winking

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBzFwqbAXeM

    • Westcoast88

      The Christopher Street Parade in Berlin is in July. Expect celebrations

  • Stogiebear

    Wonderful news to wake up to this Friday morning. It will be a nice story to revisit throughout the day as TeaRump drags us further down his septic tank.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Woohoo. Thank you Mrs. Merkel for allowing the conscious vote.

    Here’s the new map already (the Guardian and/or ILGA is fast).

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ff0863f35f7e376adf8cd044b995dd292f5823110bbdbc8e1f063d89521e62ee.png

    • -M-
    • KnownDonorDad

      So if I recall from the comments Malta could add a dot of dark blue come July 5…any other likely prospects? Northern Ireland sure sticks out like a sore thumb in the west. Kind of surprised Switzerland and Austria haven’t flipped yet, but hopefully the situation in Germany will have a positive impact. Oh, and all of this is making Australia look really behind the curve.

  • barrixines

    Congratulations Germany! I am hoping this might nudge Switzerland over the line as they don’t like being thought of as Germany’s provincial cousins.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Switzerland is much more conservative than most people realize. Women only got the right to vote in Switzerland in the 70s. And the Swiss gun laws are also more similar to U.S. gun laws than to any of their neighbors.

      • Paul

        Their healthcare system shares quite a few similarities with the American one also.

        • barrixines

          One notable difference is that in Switzerland you are not allowed to be uninsured. You have to purchase at least basic cover.

          • John30013

            INDIVIDUAL MANDATE!! !

      • barrixines

        My partner is Swiss – I know only too well what they are like 🙂 And as far as women’s suffrage goes one canton, Appenzell Innerrhoden, didn’t vote for it fully until 1991. Sort of similar and different on guns to the US – they have very strict regulations on how they are kept, and gun ownership is about national service and their relationship with government rather than their suspicions of it. However, they do differ greatly from the US on their attitude towards LGBT issues and have always been fairly liberal overall. The majority support marriage equality and I think not having it offends their libertarian (if conservative) instincts.

  • TampaZeke

    This is following a trend of conservative governments passing marriage equality after being forced to a vote by a coalition partner.

    Shame on Merkel for voting against it after publicly saying that having dinner in a lesbian couple’s house and meeting their children had changed her mind.

    • Paul

      Just like that rich, swanky NYC gay couple that met with Ted Cruz.

    • Johannes Stier

      She never met with the lesbian couple. They just invited her. As the story goes, she just heard that they were raising eight foster children and then thought “If child protective services give eight children to this couple, maybe same sex parents are not that bad after all”.

  • JCF

    OT: I admit it, I’m watching Joe&Mika. I’m simultaneously horrified by their reveals (WH staffer called Mika’s kids, threatening them w/ Enquirer story) AND at the same time: Drumpf’s tweets won’t kill me (they won’t kill Joe&Mika either). While we talk about Drumpf’s tweets, Joe is talking about the “health care agenda not getting done.” Fuck Yeah, THAT agenda is the thing that WILL KILL ME!

    While the media gasps over the tweets, Ryan&Turtleman are STILL thinking of Drumpf as “hand holding Sharpie which will sign Medicaid Destruction”. I’m not interested in saving your precious Conservatism, Joe! Drumpf is the PSYCHO consequence of your brutal, compassion-free philosophy. Will Drumpf take THAT down? Hallelujah!!!

    Happy (this year, Crappy) Fourth, JMGers…

    https://f.ptcdn.info/864/012/000/1386005390-tumblrlhz0-o.gif

  • TuuxKabin

    Welcome aboard the Rainbow Train, Germany. All A’board.

  • Gigi

    Some good news for a change!

  • Rex

    Good to see Germany progressing.
    Wish I could say the same for all countries.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      On that subject, this article is amazing. Maybe the single best article I have read since the election.

      https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/880606909975470080

      • barrixines

        Yes – I read that. Most of Raw Story is hyperbolic clickbait nonsense (I don’t care if it’s playing to our side) but that was a very good piece.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I also read it. I’m so glad someone wrote an anti-kumbaya piece where it places responsibility squarely on the people who are fucking things up and not again demanding that minorities & groups who have it worse expend precious energy & time feeling BAD for the people who are viciously attacking them.

      • Ross

        Thanks. Excellent. This sums it up:

        “The real problem isn’t east coast elites who don’t understand or care about rural America. The real problem is rural America doesn’t understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don’t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because they don’t want to admit it is in large part because of choices they’ve made and horrible things they’ve allowed themselves to believe.”

        • William

          That paragraph could be written about my cousins in Arkansas. At least my Grandmother had the sense and desire to get out of there.

      • JCF

        I could swear this is a reprint from some months ago.

      • John30013

        I think I read this article, or something similar, several months ago. But the same thought struck me again last night listening to a public radio program where they were interviewing people in W. VA affected by the opioid epidemic, all of whom relied on Medicaid, and most of whom voted for Trump. What struck me is that they were too ignorant to understand that Trump’s policies would directly impact their ability to get medical care. The simply were incapable of projecting Trump’s (and the GOP’s) rhetoric into their own lives to predict how it would affect them.

  • bkmn

    I now believe in Merkels.

  • StraightGrandmother

    Does anybody else get goosebumps all up and down their arm when they read this?

    I get emotional every single time, on the anniversaries of it previously becoming law and with every new country.

  • DaddyRay

    Congratz Germany

    Some of the kinkiest men I have been with have been from Germany

  • bdsmjack

    Ausgezeichnet!

  • JT

    The chancellor has often made leftist causes, from wages to nuclear power, her own. In this case, however, she kept the issue at arm’s length. After enabling its consideration, which all but guaranteed passage, she ultimately voted no.

    Her rationale was that she had met a lesbian couple looking after eight foster children in her Baltic Sea constituency, and that her concerns about adoption had been assuaged. But she said Friday that she had not changed her mind about the fundamental question of marriage.

    “For me, marriage in the constitution is marriage between man and woman, and therefore I did not vote in favor of this bill,” she said.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/germanys-parliament-legalizes-same-sex-marriage-bringing-it-in-line-with-most-neighbors/2017/06/30/55033686-5d09-11e7-aa69-3964a7d55207_story.html?utm_term=.14a80e723a5e

    She had to wait for a personal experience in order to be enlightened on the matter of adoption? This is the leader of a country with one of the best education systems in the world? Read some books and studies, girl! Also, read your constitution.

    • Paul

      …and she didn’t even vote in favor of it!

    • Stev84

      Merkel is known for being extremely pragmatic, which often makes her appear cold. This whole thing was purely political. She wanted to keep the topic out of election debates. It’s very different from David Cameron for example who took a lead in championing the legislation once he changed his mind.

      • JT

        What she’s said is utter bullshit.

    • BobSF_94117

      When someone changes his/her mind, it often becomes clear at one particular moment. Also, since “I changed my mind” is apparently too hard for the public to grasp, politicians sometimes have to pick a particular moment, even if it’s a bit of a fib.

      • JT

        It’s bullshit. Not a fib. She only did it to take away a major vote getter from the opposition just before an election. Total political expediency.

  • Baltimatt

    What a dick:
    https://twitter.com/ay8_cueneyt/status/880762890961264640
    The majority of Germans are against same-sex marriage.

    https://twitter.com/ay8_cueneyt/status/880763394546184192
    With same-sex marriage, new diseases will develop.

    • KnownDonorDad

      I’m betting he pulled that first statistic from unter his mensch.

    • Johannes Stier

      And a liar too. Every poll about this topic shows that a clear majority of Germans is in favor of marriage equality.

      • Baltimatt

        This guy is tweeting on and on about a homosexual secret organization.

        • Reality.Bites

          Well crap. How’s it going to stay a secret now?

          • Baltimatt

            Damn, our cover is blown!

    • JT

      Sounds as if this fuckwad is plagued by the age old diseases of stupidity and ignorance.

    • William

      I bet he’s a laugh riot at parties.

      • Baltimatt

        He doesn’t have anything against gay people; in fact, he wants to help us (later tweet).

        • William

          He’s a charmer!

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Congrats to My people !!

  • Baltimatt

    I don’t have substantiation for this, but
    https://twitter.com/ruthswife/status/880702433554575360

    • Baltimatt

      There are only 4 Muslims in the Bundestag, not sure how many are CDU/CSU.
      https://www.btg-bestellservice.de/pdf/80140000.pdf

    • Mickey Bitsko

      It was a parliamentary vote. How could “all” Muslims for vote for it? Besides, what’s the “German union”?

      • Baltimatt

        If the vote is public, than it can be made known how many Muslims in the Bundestag voted for or against. It’s not a stereotype, although as I pointed out, there are only four Muslims in the Bundesrtag.

    • Dazzer

      When the Marriage Equality Act passed in Britain, most of the Muslim MPs – from left and right – voted for it in the House of Commons and one of the Act’s proposers in the House of Lords was an openly gay Muslim Lord.

      • Robert Pierce

        And of course, one of them is now mayor of our great city.

    • KnownDonorDad

      (If it’s true)

      But but but…Muslims are the ones throwing gays off buildings so gays shouldn’t complain in America!!11ONE!

  • bambinoitaliano

    My take is the political pressure on same sex marriage is a considerable derailment for Merkel and her party, given the German election is coming. A “distraction” her government cannot afford to let grow. The bigger threat is the right wing like France was facing recently. Despite Merkel own stands on the same sex marriage, this is a political maneuver to appease the moderate and neutralize the left so her party can focus against the likes of Le Pen in Germany. Merkel retain her conservative stance to appeal to her conservative constituents so they won’t flock towards the nazis.

    • Fritz Keppler

      Though the leader of the main extreme right party AfD is gay herself and is trying to attract gay votes portraying the new immigrants as all rabidly antigay. Merkel may well have neutralized this argument to a great degree.

      • Baltimatt

        Yet the AfD has come out against the vote in favor of Ehe für alle.

        https://www.merkur.de/politik/ja-zu-ehe-fuer-alle-auf-standesaemtern-klingeln-bereits-telefone-zr-8445057.html

        Die AfD hat die vom Bundestag beschlossene Öffnung der Ehe für homosexuelle Paare scharf kritisiert. Partei-Vize Alexander Gauland sagte am Freitag: „Der Bundestag hat einen schweren gesellschaftlichen Fehler begangen.“ Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel (CDU) habe sich wie auch schon in der Europa-, Flüchtlings- und Sicherheitspolitik von SPD und FDP treiben lassen und durch die „vorauseilende Befriedigung der Wünsche möglicher Koalitionspartner“ die bürgerlich-konservativen Wähler verprellt.

        Die Ehe zwischen Mann und Frau sei ein „kulturelles Kernelement unserer christlich-abendländischen Kultur“. Die AfD trete gegen eine Wertebeliebigkeit ein, „die in letzter Instanz unsere gesellschaftlichen Strukturen und unser Fortkommen auflöst“. Die AfD prüft nach Angaben eines Sprechers eine mögliche Verfassungsklage gegen die Ehe zwischen Menschen gleichen Geschlechts.

        The AfD has sharply criticized the opening of marriage for homosexual couples. Party vice-chairman Alexander Gauland stated on Friday: “The Bundestag has committed a serious social mistake.” Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) has allowed herself to be driven, as with Europe, refugee, and security issues, by the SPD and FDP and, via the “rushed satisfaction of the wishes of potential coalition partners, alienated small-town, conservative voters.

        Marriage between man and woman is a “core cultural element of our Christian/Western culture.” The AfD steps up against an arbitrary value that “in this last case dissolves our social structures and our progress.” The AfD is examining a constitutional challenge to marriage between people of the same sex, according to information provided by a spokesman.

        My translation in italics.

        • Fritz Keppler

          Thanks!

      • Dean

        Yes the AFD tried that tactic last year. They actually had a truck with billboards trying to pit gays against Muslims parked at the Pride parade! It was summarily almost ripped to bits by irate marchers. Police, (including one of the hottest officers I’ve seen the whole time I’ve lived in Berlin), had to be called to protect it. Everybody sat watching the events unfold was like “I’m gonna commit a crime now” when he showed up.

        • William

          Have you ever noticed the Berlin garbagemen? They might be the best looking men on the planet.

  • Xuuths

    Ehe für alle.

  • Ninja0980

    Congrats to Germany!

  • Ben in Oakland

    At last I can make an honest man of my German husband.

  • Roger

    Congrats to our german brothers, such a great country really couldn´t keep lagging behind, on this matter.

    • Baltimatt

      And sisters.

      • Roger

        Absolutely! Brothers, sisters and everyone under the rainbow!

  • William
  • GanymedeRenard

    “Angela Merkel votes against”… Of course she did! She IS the reason why Germany hasn’t had marriage equality until now!

    And, quite frankly, I’ve grown tired to hear the “she’s the leader of the free world!” mantra. The so-called “free world” has no leader. The so-called “free world” needs no leader.

    Per the rest, congratulations, brothers and sisters in Germany who will have from now onwards the same rights that you’ve always been entitled to have! 😀

    • billbear1961

      Hello, GR, so very glad to see you back!

      I just mentioned you on a thread the other day and expressed the hope you might rejoin us!!

      Welcome back!!

      • GanymedeRenard

        Mr. Bear! Thanks for your kind words! Though I don’t always comment, I do enjoy your exquisite posts! Thanks again!

        • billbear1961

          I’m glad I checked to see if you replied!

          🙂

  • nocadrummer

    So much for Merke’s “epiphany” after having dinner with the two lesbians.
    Still, I’m glad to hear Germany is moving forward, even as the U.S. seems to have slammed the car in reverse and is pedal-to-the-metal, burning tires to go backwards.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      I suspect Merkel was always going to vote against but waited for the parliamentary numbers to be such that calling the vote would still guarantee the win. While obviously a cynical move, she has ensured that the vote was clear and on side.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    While I am disappointed in Ms. Merkel’s vote, I am still pleased to see that the German Parliament made the right choice.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      I think her personal vote was to appease the ultra-conservative elements of her coalition. Her own party was divided and the Bavarian nationalist party dead against. She did the political thing.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        I believe that’s probably the case. She the votes were there but to placate the right, she symbolic voted against.

  • billbear1961