GERMANY: Marriage Equality Vote Confirmed For Friday

The Associated Press reports:

The German Parliament plans to vote Friday on whether to legalize same-sex marriage — only days after Chancellor Angela Merkel backed off her conservative party’s long-standing refusal to budge on the issue. The German news agency dpa reported Wednesday the Parliament’s legal committee had given its OK for the vote to take place Friday.

Her comment came ahead of Germany’s Sept. 24 election in which all of Merkel’s potential coalition partners, including the center-left Social Democrats of her challenger, Martin Schulz, are calling for same-sex marriage to be legalized. Germany has allowed same-sex couples to enter into civil partnerships since 2001.

Approval is expected to come easily. Anti-gay groups, much like everybody else, have been caught by surprise.

  • Gustav2

    “Schüttelte unsere Kehlen!”

  • disqus_Qm7Y1t9k8U

    I always knew she’d eventually do this. She loves cutting the legs out of her more left-leaning opposition right before every election.

    • Christopher Smith

      As if it mattered why Merkel did this given the boon to GLBT Germans. Take your Sarandonspeak elsewhere.

  • sword

    So Germany passes Marriage equality at the same time the US government will be using the Supreme Court to roll it back, perhaps to ban it. Deutchland is becoming the liberty beacon of Western Civilization. I guess the ‘Greatest Generation’ really did do its job right!

    • Gustav2

      Yeah. we gave them a parliamentary system, not ours.

      • Robert Pierce

        You mean the U.S., U.K. and France? All three were involved in the writing of some laws and constitution for Germany after WW2.

        • Gustav2

          The US has promoted a parliamentary system over our own system. After WWII if we had wanted Germany to have our system we were in a position to strong arm it. Not so much now.

        • fuow

          One of the explicit concerns of the US in setting up the new German system of government was to avoid the mistakes made in the 18th century by the US and France. They succeeded.

    • Do Something Nice

      What case is SCOTUS reviewing to roll back same-sex marriage?

      • Todd20036

        Not quite yet, but people are worried that with Gorush replacing Scalia, Kennedy thinking of retiring, and RBG being very old, and with newcomers not giving a damn about precedent, people think that LBGT rights in general can be rolled back to state levels.

        You become unmarried, and sex becomes illegal if you go into the wrong state.

      • thom

        Non. Yet.
        No case is being heard at any level that would take away marriage rights.
        I think “religous freedom” (discrimination) is the issue to keep our eyes out for in the immediate future.

        • fuow

          It’s the camel’s nose under the tent. We all know how little Robert’s cares about stare decisis when it stand in his way and Gorsuch made his stance on gays and civil rights clear in Monday’s dissent.

    • Hue-Man

      In other countries, marriage equality can be reversed by passing a law! For example, in Canada, Parliament could pass a law banning same-sex marriage. They could then over-ride the Constitution by using the “Notwithstanding Clause”. I’m not saying it’s going to happen but at least in the U.S., SCOTUS has to reverse its opinion on the constitutionality of marriage (in)equality, something Congress cannot do unilaterally.

  • Boreal

    “Anti-gay groups, much like everybody else, have been caught by surprise.”

    🙂

  • SoCalGal20

    Awesome!!!

  • Tawreos

    I hope they get this right.

  • lukefromcanada

    does anyone have translations of those tweets?

    • Tawreos

      #gerechtist, wenn alle heiraten können. Rechtsausschuss hat gerade für Ehe für alle gestimmt. Jetzt muss Bundestag entscheiden. Vorwärts!

      #Gerecht is when everyone can get married. Legal Committee has just voted for marriage for all. Now the Bundestag must decide. Forward!

      Bundestag: Ehe für alle kann Freitag beschlossen werden – Der Bundestag wird wohl in seiner letzten Sitzung übe…

      Bundestag: Marriage for all can be decided Friday – The Bundestag will probably be in its last session to …

      Deutschland: Die “Ehe für alle” kommt am Freitag

      Germany: The “marriage for all” comes on Friday

      • Bj Lincoln

        Than you.

  • Bj Lincoln

    Their Parliament is so bright and airy. I’m sure they will do the right thing. Seems for every step forward they take, we take a step backward.

  • it always sort of irked me, but my German friends were always quite a bit more conservative than i was, and some of them were queer. there’s a lot to like about German society including that it can still surprise you, sometimes. Of course once again religion is to blame for this not happening sooner. you’d think modern people would be tired of that happening, for so many issues beyond just hating our community.

    • Rambie

      I worry Europe will go more conservative over the next several decades as the countries adjust to Brexit and influx of immigrants settle into their new countries.

    • fuow

      We Germans aren’t necessarily more conservative, it’s just that the cultural perspective is so very, very different.
      Speaking broadly, there is a strong drive (not as strong as the Koreans, but strong) to find consensus on major social/policy change in Germany. A situation in which 70,000 votes leads to a complete shift in human and civil rights is unthinkable.

      This is also the reason younger Germans (my parents’ generation) refused to accept the lies told by many after the 12 year Nazi era that they ‘had had no idea’ and of course they wouldn’t have supported it. Hitler could only do what he did because of widespread consensus.

      In the end, this cultural mindset is also why the DDR collapsed overnight without a fight.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Curious. Do you think even the AfD will oppose this, seeing as how the candidate at the top of their ticket is a married (partnered) lesbian? That would be awkward for them.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      That is interesting. Germany had an openly gay foreign minister (equivalent to our Secretary of State) years ago, before any other country that I could recall, and he was from the more conservative center-right party in the coalition (Merkel’s party). I thought that was so strange at the time, that they would have an openly gay top cabinet-level member but wouldn’t vote on marriage equality. Of course, since then, Iceland, Belgium and Luxembourg have all had openly gay prime ministers.

      • Hue-Man

        Guido Westerwelle “was also the chairman of the Free Democratic Party of Germany (FDP) from May 2001 until he stepped down in 2011.” FDP is considered centrist while Merkel’s CDU/CSU is more right wing.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_Westerwelle

        • wineflask

          The FDP is more conservative economically. And Merkel encouraged Westerwelle to come out.

    • pepón

      I think you are right. Germans are more conservative that people think. And it’s not just gay marriage, or womens equality, things like ATM took for ever, or paying with the cell phone has not yet been widespread accepted. They don’t trust new things, which can be good, or bad. Things take a lot of time also because people want to make it right the first time over, and whatever has to last a long time.

  • metrored

    Is this what they mean when they talk about German efficiency?

    • ChrisMorley

      They haven’t written the Bill yet.
      A big victory vote for the principle on Friday shows the parties striking while the iron is hot.

      • ChrisMorley

        EDIT
        I got that so wrong.
        The Guardian reports the vote will be on a Bill that was already waiting on the shelf:

        ‘The bill is widely expected to pass as it is backed by most parties and the chancellor, Angela Merkel, has told lawmakers of her centre-right party that they can vote according to their conscience.
        The reform would grant full marital rights – including the possibility to jointly adopt children – to gay and lesbian couples, who in Germany are only able to enter civil unions.
        The bill was hastily put on the parliamentary agenda on the last day
        before the summer break by the centre-left Social Democrats, Greens and far-left Linke party. ….
        Merkel signalled a shift in her position on Monday in an on-stage interview with the editor of women’s magazine Brigitte.

        She said her thinking had changed after a “memorable experience” when she recently met a lesbian couple who lovingly care for eight foster children in her Baltic coast constituency.

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/28/germany-to-vote-on-same-sex-marriage-after-merkel-drops-opposition

        • Chris Baker

          It’s nice, but strange, how people’s positions change once they actually meet some gay couples and realize the benefits they DON’T get because they can’t enter into the legal contract called “marriage”. And, at a legal level, that’s what it is: a legal contract recognized by a government which allows the government to provide special benefits to those in the contract. Two straight people can be absolute strangers one day and be legally married the next day, and then get all the legal benefits of marriage, but a same-sex couple that has been living together for 15 years and raising 8 foster kids can’t get married and get those benefits. Once you think about it, you have to think “wow, that doesn’t make any sense.”

          • wineflask

            If you believe Merkel changed her mind, I have an Elbphilarmonie to sell you. Merkel was against gay marriage only because of political expediency. Now she has seen it as politically more useful to change tune, and instead of saying “my permanent allies, the Bavarians of the CSU, can go fck off if they aren’t happy with this” she concocted an elegant exit.

        • fuow

          Well, you admitted to it. That’s more than most folks do. I had regarded the bill as yet another every-four-year attempt by the Greens to collect the gay sheeple vote. For decades now, the only time they’ve really cared about gay men was when our votes were needed. Nice to see that they’ve moved a bit to the left on human rights. (Note to those determined now to jump in based on current green positions, unless you are old enough to remember the Greeens and their position on gays in the ’80s through ‘2003, be prepared to have reality thrown in your face. I’ve got a very long and very good memory.)

    • Dazzer

      LOL

    • Johannes Stier

      Well, we had the same discussion for over 15 years now. So probably not ;).

      • metrored

        It took us almost that long if you replace discussion with near constant litigation. Going from “someday” to “Friday” in like 48 hours is pretty impressive.

  • FAEN

    About time our German brothers and sisters had the right to legally marry.

  • RobynWatts

    Lass uns das tun, Deutschland. es ist Zeit!

    (Let’s do this, Germany. it’s about time.)

  • thom

    Yes! Great news!

  • JT

    I’ll believe it when I see it. There is no excuse for its having taken so long.

    • fuow

      Much of the problem was a lack of genuine interest on the party of many on the ‘left’, except, of course, when they needed our votes.

  • Schnell!

  • fuow

    It’s interesting – my homeland is voting this week to recognize my marriage and my adopted country is voting this week to strip my healthcare while the Supremes just voted to hear a case to make me a second-class citizen.
    May I take this moment for a big, hearty third finger salute to all the gay men who voted green or stayed home in November 2016 because ‘they’re all the same’ and we Democrats needed to be punished for nominating a less than perfect candidate.
    Oh, and there’s nothing Trump and the rethugs can do in such a short time to hurt us anyway, gay rights are all settled!

    • JWC

      I supposed it can be said “We live to fight another day” The only oneI am concerned about is the bitter and pevious Turtle He got publicly humiliated yesterday What is this misrable old cracker up to next.The epitome of evil

      • fuow

        True. Still, it would be nice if more liberals bothered to vote.

        • JWC

          a no vote oddly enuff is still a vote which about 55% od people exercise

        • Jmdintpa

          yes yes yes… actually was it like half the country didnt even bother to show up. pathetic.

  • Hue-Man

    Happening in neighboring France. “The National Advisory Committee on Ethics” (CCNE) has ruled on in vitro fertilization.
    “The Ethics Committee is in favor of opening IVF to female couples and unmarried women. So far, it is only allowed for infertile heterosexual couples.” (Chrome translation. I haven’t seen any reporting in English)
    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/06/26/01016-20170626ARTFIG00347-pma-gpa-l-avis-du-comite-d-ethique-tres-attendu-ce-mardi.php
    Macron campaigned on making this change in the law. This report was a condition to starting the legislative process.

    CCNE also maintained its opposition to surrogacy (GPA in French) so it is likely to remain illegal as it is seen as a form of “slavery”.

  • Jamie Wilson

    Wow. This is unreal. I have never seen marriage equality move so quickly. And this is a major country of 80 million people we are talking about. In the UK, it took years for marriage to work through the process and in France, the vote was preceded by months of debate and mass demonstrations. Here, Merkel makes her comments over the weekend and by Friday they will pass it? I’ll have to see it to believe it.

    • Bruce Nottingham-Spencer

      This has also been years in the making. A bill has been stuck in the legal affairs committee for years because Merkel’s party (the Christian Democrats) refused to send it to the full parliament and their coalition partner the Social Democrats had been going along with that. Using Merkel’s comments as their justification, the Social Democrats joined up with the Greens and the Left Party and got the bill out of the committee. The Christian Democrats on the committee still voted not to send it to the full parliament saying that they wanted to wait until the parliament reconvenes after elections in the fall. I’m not sure if the Social Democrats just grew a spine or if they just saw a good opportunity to score some political points with elections coming up in September. It’s happening quickly after years and years of parliamentary delays.

    • Mark Cross

      Hey Australia, do you see what Germany’s doing?

  • kirtanloorii

    Sadz article incoming. I’ll get my pop corn ready.

  • billbear1961