BREAKING: Cardinal George Pell, Third Highest Ranking Vatican Official, Charged With Multiple Sexual Offenses

The Guardian reports:

Cardinal George Pell, Australia’s most senior Catholic and the third-ranking official in the Vatican, has been charged with multiple sexual offences by police. The charges were served on Pell’s legal representatives in Melbourne on Thursday and they have been lodged also at Melbourne magistrates court. He will appear at Melbourne magistrates court on 18 July.

“Cardinal Pell is facing multiple charges and there are multiple complainants,” Victoria police’s deputy commissioner Shane Patton said. Pell is the highest-ranking Vatican official to be charged in the Catholic church’s long-running sexual abuse scandal.

Pell has consistently denied all allegations against him. After the possibility of his being charged was raised publicly, Pell told reporters: “I’d just like to restate my innocence.” “I stand by everything I’ve said at the royal commission [on child sexual abuse] and in other places. We have to respect due process, wait until it’s concluded and obviously I’ll continue to cooperate fully.”

More from the Sydney Morning Herald:

The announcement is set to send shockwaves through the Catholic Church in Australia and around the world. Cardinal Pell is the third most senior Catholic at the Vatican, where he is responsible for the church’s finances. The charges are likely to force Cardinal Pell to step aside from his Vatican post while he fights the charges.

Cardinal Pell strenuously denies any wrongdoing. He has retained leading Victorian criminal barrister, Robert Richter QC, and it is likely some of the argument that Mr Richter will make in court will concern the question of whether Cardinal Pell can receive a fair trial given the large amount of pre-trial publicity.

The precise details of the charges are not known. However, a legal source told Fairfax Media that the Victorian Director of Public Prosecutions, John Champion, has been assessing whether Cardinal Pell should face charges of rape, buggery or indecent assault.

As Australia has no extradition treaty with the Vatican, Cardinal Pell may avoid prosecution should he choose not to return to Victoria, but he is expected to come back to fight the charges.

And from The Australian:

Allegations raised in the past 18 months include that he assaulted boys at a Ballarat pool in the 1970s and allegations of assault at St Patrick’s cathedral in Melbourne, when he was archbishop.

Cardinal Pell was a parish priest in the Diocese of Ballarat, where he launched his extraordinary career. However, the diocese was riddled with hundreds and possibly thousands of cases of abuse in 1960s, 1970s and 1980s. He had never been charged with any offences.

Cardinal Pell, 76, is serving as prefect of the secretariat of the economy to the Vatican, a role he has held since 2014. He was created a cardinal in 2003. He has previously served as Archbishop of Sydney and Archbishop of Melbourne.

  • Lawerence Collins

    Down goes another hypocritical homophobic thug.

  • Jefe5084

    Oh, let’s see how does that one go…. oh yeah. THOU SHALT NOT LIE.

  • fastlanestranger

    “A PRIEST? RAPING BOYS?! WHO EVER HEARD OF SUCH A HORRIBLE THING.” -sadly, said no one, ever

  • Henry Auvil

    O/T, but why does Dolly Parton always wear long sleeves?

    • zhera

      She’s cold?

    • Circ09

      Answer: tattoos. For real.

  • Ronald Reagan is Dead!
    • boatboy_srq

      One key difference. The RCs are doing it with every underage boy they can find while complaining about those wanton women who want [gasp, clutch rosary] contraception and the LGBTs who want [gasp, shudder, clutch rosary again] unnatural sexual congress; the FundiEvangelist Xtianists are committed to never letting anyone (else) do it ever with anyone (else) regardless of age/gender/preference/affiliation[and-especially]race.

      It’s a subtle distinction, but it does explain at least some of the odder behavior.

  • witch

    The victims finally went to police first

  • jimbo65

    “He was created a cardinal in 2003” Created? Makes him sound like he was “sired” like a vampire. Guess a distinction without a difference.

    • Jefe5084
    • Natty Enquirer

      You’ve never heard this English expression before? When someone is given a title (usually of nobility), she or he is said to be “created Duke of South Bumfolk.”

      • jimbo65

        I should have realized that this was being reported from the English perspective. (The Guardian, duh ) That’s what I get for leaping before I look.

        • Natty Enquirer

          The same expression is used in American English.

          • ben-andy

            And for exactly the same reason. The Queen is the head of state of Great Britain and she creates the new status of those she grants titles to.

            The Pope is the head of state of Vatican City and also creates the new status of those he elevates.

          • BobSF_94117

            All the best religions are monarchies in disguise…

          • (((GC)))

            They ARE explicitly monarchies. And the viceroys, complete with fancy hats, get to run amok because the king is absent.

      • Kruhn

        It still is funny.

    • 2guysnamedjoe
      • Robincho

        Gotti, he dead…

  • zhera

    There’s no way that any of the higher ups in the Vatican hasn’t got any skeletons in their closet. If his diocese was riddled with abuse cases then it’s logical to assume he’s been part of that, one way or another.

    Frankie, will you do the right thing this time or will you protect your own?

    • clay

      If I’m reading the story correctly, it’s not just about what was going on in his diocese, but about what he, personally, was doing.

      • Natty Enquirer

        Pell himself is charged with committing sexual offenses. (Oh sorry, offences.)

        • Robincho

          This is scarcely the time for the mending of fences…

      • zhera

        Yes, but he’s claiming innocence, which is bullshit even if he personally never abused anyone.

  • Christine

    The Tim Minchin video is genius.

  • -M-

    Upvote just for the awesome Tim Minchin

  • Sam_Handwich

    wow, that Minchin song is something!

    gotta say the only Pell i ever knew of was the senator i grew up with in Rhode Island, Claiborne Pell. (of Pell Grant fame. we called him Stillborn Pell … he wasn’t very animated )

  • Harveyrabbit

    Quelle Surprise.

    Let’s find out who knew, when they knew it and how they tried to cover it up. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a9afb91b80779217b479307c52383c327281d44421decc24d497c1d4a60703b0.gif

  • clay

    “Historical sexual offenses” — this is why the RCC fights opening statute of limitations windows in US states.

  • Frenchys House Party

    I file this under “So what else is new?”. The Catholic Church is an organized criminal conspiracy to defraud gullible people with their incantations and bingo games. That they would elevate this creature to the third highest spot in the hierarchy just reinforces their lack of morality and responsibility. Disgusting!

  • I mean the multitude of sexual assault committed by the Catholic clergy should send red flags but apparently we as a society are no longer capable of seeing patterns.

    • zhera

      Fear and greed rule the world. All decisions against humanity and good can be explained with either fear, greed, or both.

  • Robincho

    We do not like thee, Cardinal Pell.
    The reason why we know full well.
    And you are going straight to hell.
    We do not like thee, Cardinal Pell…

    • Natty Enquirer

      There once was a Cardinal Pell
      Who was made to strap on a bell
      To frighten away
      The children at play
      Whenever his member did swell.

      • don

        Every time a bell rings, an angel gets his wings!

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    Another catholic sexual abuser who demonized women and the LBGT community : Distraction attempts to cover his crimes.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a948cea7ed32bd45e959e00aa80abbda7405f070226c6812074ee9595be7c9a.jpg

    • Judas Peckerwood

      He would say that.

      • boatboy_srq

        Well, it can’t really be all that wrong. He did it, after all…

        /s

        • Todd20036

          He sexually abused aborted fetuses?

          • boatboy_srq

            If anyone could find a way, Pell is the sort that would at least attempt it, methinks.

    • zhera

      “Stop aborting our potential victims of sexual abuse!”

      – pedo priests

      • liondon#iamnotatraitor

        I wonder if he can still get communion? I guess as long as you’re not in a same sex relationship all bets are off.

    • JT

      “And I have illustrated that point over and over again.”

    • don

      I can’t even….

    • lymis

      It’s not a contest, asshole. More than one thing can be morally wrong.

  • Statistics Palin

    Can anyone find dirt on Cardinal Burke other than a 5-figure a year drag habit?

  • Circ09

    Yet this disgusting POS was made #3 and put in charge of the finances only in 2014. Long after allegations were dogging him. Tell me again how this new Pope is more responsible & answerable to change?

    • Judas Peckerwood

      Let’s ask The Advocate!

    • Mike in Texas

      It couldn’t possibly be that Vatican City has no extradition treaty with Australia. koff

      • ※ Benny Cemoli ✔Gold Verified

        I highly doubt the Vatican has extradition treaties with any country just for situations like this.

    • bkmn

      You will have to contact his PR person for that info.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    We need to shut down the whole Catholic church until we can figure out what the hell is going on!

    • Judas Peckerwood

      This might take some time…

      • clay

        We should start with 90 days, minimum.

    • billbear1961

      Tell ’em, Dino, sweetie!

    • zhera

      We need to shut down the whole Catholic church until we can figure out what the hell is going on!

      • margaretpoa

        We need to shut down the whole Catholic church until we can figure out what the hell is going on!

        • JCF
          • Mikey

            ..

          • Mikey

            the original doesn’t have the advert for the Episcopal church at the end. that sort of fucks up the whole message of the cartoon.
            (stupid edit feature doesn’t let you come back and erase a post, nor add an image) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d3325b25ec97b41acfa8e3d49e9bb6970a5e3b57e7870a0b70a33474b8f4c612.jpg

            https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/cd/d9/68/cdd968ae6e1550fff0add04bb34fa56d.jpg

          • Ernest Endevor

            I thought that was weird, Thanks for the original.

          • JCF

            Well, that’s why I made an improvement! ;-p~~~~ [“fuck up” is in the eye of the beholder]

          • Mikey

            your “improvement” is illogical and contradicts the entire meaning of the cartoon.
            The Episcopal church is still “people who claim to speak for the people who claimed to have come from the sky” with the added “but you can totally behead your wife for a divorce”.

          • JCF

            That’s one interpretation. I see it from the POV of looking at the person on the ground: groveling in fear. In the Episcopal Church, we’re on our feet. We don’t fear, we love (in particular, we love LGBT people—we are LGBT people!).

            By no means am I claiming that the Episcopal Church is the only way one can “grow up”—but it is one way. In good humor (hence my winkie when I said “improvement”), that was my point. Pax et bonum, Mikey.

          • Mikey

            No, you appear to completely misunderstand the cartoon then, my friend. You are stuck in a cycle of imaginary sky friends and you appear unable or unwilling to break free from the delusion.
            THAT is the point of the cartoon. It has nothing to do with finding another fairy tale that’s less scary. It has to do with letting go of fairy tales entirely and growing up.

          • June Gordon

            Much better!

          • June Gordon

            That was good until the last panel, which, frankly, makes no sense. The Episcopal Church is built on the same pile of total bullshit.

          • Adam Schmidt
    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Tax the mofo’s

      • (((GC)))

        At the very least, stop exempting religious institutions from the filing, disclosure, and transparency requirements other tax-exempt nonprofits must follow!

    • WillMoor

      I’m an agnostic and not the fondest of organized religion, but most people on this planet are religious believers and most religious believers are Catholics. There is nothing practical about “shutting down the entire Catholic Church” which is one of the longest lived and most ancient extant institutions the world has ever known. This is not me defending it either. But good luck trying to convince the better part of 2 billion people to shut down their religion.

      • Daveed_WOW

        But people love it when you point out how wrong and corrupt their religious institution is!

      • clay

        technically, “most” religious believers are not Roman Catholic. Just cuz they’re the largest religious group, doesn’t mean they’re the majority.

  • Statistics Palin

    I always said that the only reason that the Catholic Church opposed the same-sex marriage is that the Cardinals would have to pay alimony to their altar boys.

  • shellback

    “strenuously denies any wrongdoing” Don’t they all?
    “retained leading Victorian criminal barrister” Trusting in jeezes isn’t good enough?

    • clay

      “When in Rome” Oh, wait, might be the wrong time for that saying.

      • -M-

        The denials work better while he’s in Rome instead of a courtroom.

  • AtticusP
    • JCF

      I love this one.

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    I won’t be holding my breath until he arrives in court. I am sure he will become too ill to travel, and in time tested Roman ways (probably with his concurrence), he will suddenly die and be granted the full pomp of a cardinal’s funeral (since of course he was never convicted of anything).

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      He’ll be Cardinal Law’s roommate, in splendid Vatican exile.

  • another_steve

    Well, some of them like to diddle with the boys.

    The flesh is weak.

  • bambinoitaliano

    So all those anti gay movement could not cover up his pedophilia? I say he is not working hard enough. Slacker!

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    Bitches, please, you fool no-one. You like dainty lace. You’re still monsters, just monsters in the back of the closet that have a thing for dainty lace.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pXtQr_R_UTQ/VK5Xr0PynRI/AAAAAAAAZ1E/uRlOk9FK85U/s1600/Cardinal-Burke-Church-Feminine-C-717×450.jpg

  • Hanwi

    Oh my Zeus!! How on Earth did this ever happen within the confines of the catholic church?!?! Color me flabbergasted…… /s

  • Jefe5084
  • Marti386

    Religion does more harm than good.

    • Judas Peckerwood

      For the life of me I never could see the “good”part…

  • bambinoitaliano

    Come here my pretty. Close your eyes and think of sky fairy.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    And Trump’s new Vatican ambassador is Callista Gingrich : That paragon of moral virtue. Another one who will want to protect her job, rather than protect abused children.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      What a cushy post for Clixxie. She gets to wine and dine with charming young prelates amid Renaissance splendor, exchanging interior decoration and floral arrangement tips, while tut-tutting about all those poor sad young men out there who’ll never see Jesus or pussy.

  • Jay Mills

    It’s weird to think that this shit has probably been going on since the beginning, kind of like a tradition.

    • boatboy_srq

      Next time anyone brings up the age of consent, this is an effective counter.

    • zhera

      In the beginning, priests were allowed to marry. Hell, the early popes had no problem with having sex or relationships.

      No marriage for priests is a result of the church protecting it’s assets. Can’t let valuable property fall into the hands of priests’ children!

  • 2guysnamedjoe

    The charges were served on Pell’s legal representatives in Melbourne
    Damn. I was looking forward to Pell’s perp walk, in full ecclesiastical drag.
    (Edit: I mean him, not me, in full ecclesiastical drag).

    • boatboy_srq

      Aww. I bet full ecclesiastical drag looks good on you. Better on you than him, at any rate.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        How very dare you! Mother says I’m very very butch.

        • boatboy_srq

          All mothers say that.

          They’d lose visitation privileges otherwise.

          And are you really saying that vestments look better on Pell than on you? Because really the only thing Pell ought to look good in is sackcloth – or an orange jumpsuit.

  • boatboy_srq

    Another day, another Catholic pedophilia scandal.

    Remind me why churches get tax exempt status and all that again…

    • Ross

      …and why the LGBT community is supposedly the threat to society.

  • Boreal
    • zhera

      Suddenly I understand why they wear those sweeping, long frocks…

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    Dear Lord, hear my prayer.
    May this evil man be convicted and punished.
    Amen.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      And may his church pay reparations through the nose.

  • JCF

    OT: Uff da, Rachel is documenting how Senate Rethuglicans—nevermind Drumpf—are trying to sabotage the FBI’s investigation into Drumpf/Putin collusion. Be vigilant(e), people: Coup in Progress!!!

  • Boreal
  • DaddyRay

    I miss when Joe used to post all of the weekly roundup of priests arrested for this and that

    • -M-

      Me too. But who has the time?

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Once a week just wasn’t enough.

    • don

      And these are the ones that get CAUGHT….grrrr

  • Boreal
    • boatboy_srq

      Sounds about right.

  • Michael R
    • Natty Enquirer

      Polterkatze!

  • worstcultever

    The catholic church makes bill cosby look like a shy young seventh-grade gentleman trying to steal a respectful kiss on the cheek.

  • bambinoitaliano

    O/T Delicious! An asshole got burned.
    https://twitter.com/GMB/status/879931939507105792

  • Steven B

    As a recovering catholic I have to wonder what it is with catholic clergy and boys. You don’t really hear about other types of victims. Like underage girls, or other adults of either gender. It’s nearly always underage boys.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Predominantly but not always. Nearly two-thirds of allegations against American priests are by males only.

      I think, beginning particularly with the Lavender Scare of the 1950s, that American gay men headed to the priesthood as a way to avoid both marriage and suspicion. It seems that somewhere along the way, the Church developed an atmosphere that emboldened the bad ones to take advantage of children.

    • zhera

      It’s not always boys. Plenty of girls have been abused as well. But I think the reason why so many boys are abused by the catholic priests is that boys are more accessible in the catholic church.

      For pedophiles it’s less important what sex their victim is, and more important what age he/she is. So: Access.

      • JCF

        This. Just a couple of years ago, locally (Sacramento area) a “young, charismatic” RC priest pleaded guilty to schtupping a 13yo girl (and of course, all this priest’s many fans…blamed the girl).

      • Rob NYNY

        There is always a steady supply of altar boys. Altar girls are much less common.

    • Karl Dubhe

      Take a look at the old parable of the Centurion and the slave boy. Jesus blessed their ‘love’, but think about what use a soldier would have had for a young slave. Especially at a time when Sparta wasn’t as ancient.

      *it’s not always about underage boys either. Plenty of young girls have been abused, as well as older ones. Then there are the ones who are adults when they fall for an adult priest who ‘cheats’ on his church with her.

      • Steven B

        I know it’s not always about underage boys but you have to admit that’s primarily what you hear about. It seems like there’s a disproportionate number of them. If +/- 7% of the population is gay then what percentage of gay men are also pedophiles? It has to be minuscule. Now look at the percentage of sexual abuse reports involving priests and boys (I’m guessing 80%??) and you have to wonder at the numbers.

        • Lars Littlefield

          Math is hard. And the secret is in the sauce. So they say.

        • Karl Dubhe

          The pink scare drove many into the priesthood as a large closet. That’s going to fuck you up. Especially as the more you study that religious bullshit in a ‘serious’ manner the less you’re going to buy into the bullshit.

          I don’t have that much sympathy for them, especially the ones who molested kids, but there’s some. In between the shit and the syphilis.

        • -M-

          Pedophiles don’t particularly care about gender and adult males have more opportunity to molest boys than girls.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Back around the turn of the 20th Century, priests and brothers in charge of girls — students, orphans, etc., — were becoming a problem for Holy Mutha Church. Their solution was to separate the men from the girls, which is why nuns teach at and administer RCC girls’ schools now. This effectively doubled another problem: the men and the boys.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      There’s a chance the girl victims can get pregnant and nobody believes in Virgin birth for any girls/women in the modern era.

    • clay

      It could also be a signal that the media doesn’t think girls and women are scandalous enough or important enough to report on.

    • Rob NYNY

      In the towns where I grew up as a Catholic, it was equally common for priests to be defrocked for fucking married women. The big difference is that they were not defrocked for fucking Catholic boys. Celibacy is the only consensual perversion.

  • Mike in Texas

    I recall that this guy was rabidly homophobic back in the day. I seem to remember he has a lesbian relative who confronted him about it. I don’t remember the details.

    (Added later) Okay … here’s some information about her. http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s1347487.htm

  • olandp

    I love the Tim Minchin song, but the song just talks about Pell’s part in the cover-up and the article alleges active participation in the abuse. I also enjoy this debate where Pell is so condescending to Richard Dawkins. Fucking scum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8hy8NxZvFY

    • Karl Dubhe

      Now that’s an interesting thing to listen to.

      He’s had quite the punchable face for some time… Talks about people getting away with crimes if there’s no god??? Oh, the hubris.

  • Cuberly

    So the misdirected, bigoted pander to rural whites kicks in. Parts of it.

    “The new guidelines sent to U.S. embassies and consulates on Wednesday say that applicants from the six countries must prove a relationship with a parent, spouse, child, adult son or daughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law or sibling in the U.S.
    This is according to a State Department cable obtained by the Associated Press.
    Grandparents, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, brothers-laws and sisters-in-law, fiancees or other extended family members are not considered to be close relationships.”

    https://twitter.com/LPDah/status/880241260715417601

    • Pat

      And not one of those nations have ties to terrorist attacks in the US, but then again, they don’t have Dolt45’s business interests either. Disgusting hypocrite.

      • Cuberly

        Yep. And every single trumpanzee that was ranting about passage has no clue re; the details. But, yeah, that don’t matter.

        • clay

          My hope is that SCOTUS will recognize, as have the lower courts, that there has been no finding by the office of the president of any security risk, as well as the unConstitutional religious test.

          • Cuberly

            Same here. Trump and his admin’s behavior needs to be included in the equation.

    • Adam King

      This is so creepy and reeks of incipient fascism. Horrible.

    • clay

      So, they’re restricting them to sponsored family visas, rather than the much more available permanent resident visas (and, of course, NO refugee visas)?

      • Cuberly

        For them to claim it was a small component that was being implemented It still looks pretty f’d up and punitive to me.

        • clay

          and still does nothing to prevent suicide or terrorism.

    • JCF

      Lawsuits -o- rama…

    • worstcultever

      More Bannon & Miller

      • Cuberly

        Yep, the alt-right scions of ugly as fuck.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    This huge story in now splashed on front pages all across the globe!
    Multiple charges of sexual assault – not just cover up.
    BBC, Deutsche Welle, France24, CNN, AlJazeera, etc, …

  • Lars Littlefield

    Ah, the life of a catholic priest.
    To wear posh frocks.
    Abuse little boys.
    Those are the joys,
    Of being a catholic priest.

  • WretchedMouse
  • Pat

    I’m shocked, SCHOCKED. Not really. Every time a story like this breaks, I’m grateful to the Boston Globe for opening the floodgates and exposing just how corrupt the church really is. Perverse, hateful bastards.

  • Reality.Bites

    I’m still waiting for charges against Bill Donohue from the fax machine.

    • zhera

      How could he resist? There was ink coming out of its whereever, and those mechanical noises sounded like moans!

  • bkmn

    Why does anyone go to a (supposedly) celibate guy for sexual advice?

    • Rob NYNY

      Because the priest can explain to the wife how to suck dick better.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    I can’t even feign shock anymore….so I’ll have scotch and molest my husbotter instead. At least I have consent 🙂

  • John Simpson

    I have known first-hand that the RC church is full of child molesters which makes that churches stand on sexual matters all the more disgusting..

  • unclemike

    It might be better just to announce the rare times a Catholic clergyman *isn’t* charged with a sex crime.

  • Lazycrockett

    Lawrence and Joy are trying to give me hope, but I’m just not believing them yet.

    • jimbo65

      Maybe I missed it, but I don’t think either of them were sounding the alarm that Mc Turtle might try ramming the bill through on Friday.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Mr. L. Crockett: What’s this deal with a person or persons down voting every one of your posts? It appears you’ve gained a fan. :-
      Have you been receiving hate mail and death threats as well.
      Take care of yourself. Be safe. And may the good of the internet thingy be with you. 🙂

      • Lazycrockett

        A couple of people have pointed this out, but since I haven’t really spent time to figure out how disqus works or how to change options I can’t view down votes. Not that I’m much concerned bout someone who spends their time and energy down voting me. I really don’t care. I’m peach overall though, thanks.

      • Silver Badger

        How does one read down votes?

        • -M-

          There are extensions for some browsers that allow them to show the count of disqus down votes.

          • Silver Badger

            Thank you. I always figure that if someone doesn’t like my comments, they can either reply and let me know why or they can go fuck themselves. I did want to know how though.

          • -M-

            This is my thought, too. Although I do downvote when appropriate so that the algorithms have that to make use of.

        • Lars Littlefield

          You need to install a Google extension for Disqus. Then you can see the number of down votes other people receive. But you are prevented from seeing your own.

  • worstcultever
  • Lazycrockett

    Why the fuck is Liz Mair on The Last Word??

    • Ken M

      Learn to GOOGLE. Save us all the time.

    • Silver Badger

      “Liz Mair is a political and communications consultant, and is the founder and president of Mair Strategies LLC. She lives in the Washington, D.C., area and is a dual US-UK national. Wikipedia” Additionally, she is a Republican who thinks Trump is to liberal. In other words, she is a stone cold bitch.

      • Silver Badger

        OOPS, I misread your “Why” as “Who”.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    1. I still don’t get why people still go to the Catholic church. I watched Spotlight and wondered why anybody in Boston could go to church after the news got out.
    2. Someone pointed out that cities are willing to pay millions of dollars for police brutality/murders and churches are willing to pay millions to abuse victims but the perps never get punished. Why is it that taxpayers and parishioners aren’t more furious that they’re paying all this money to get all these horrible people off the hook?

    • worstcultever

      Spotlight was really wonderful and I agree with every word of your comment – it simply boggles my brain

    • clay

      The RCC has seen very steep income drops. Those (fewer) people who still attend have largely directed nearly all their giving directly to Catholic Charities, not the diocesan coffers. Some have even sued when CC tried to kick back some of that to the hierarchy.

    • The_Wretched

      I don’t see how the RCC can keep getting federal funds and yet it’s on the order of billions per year.

  • Ken M

    I’m waiting for the “don’t blame me, I’m not Catholic, I’m Christian” arguments to start. They can pass the blame even on child abuse.

  • SoCalGal20
    • The_Wretched

      Just like infomercials.

  • Lazycrockett
  • SoCalGal20
    • Sam_Handwich

      um

    • jimbo65

      oookay, so I guess he’s now on board with the deathcare plan?

  • JCF

    “Pell the Smell”? Go figger!

    “He has retained leading Victorian criminal barrister, Robert Richter QC”: does anyone else think that sounds like he’s going back ~120 years in time? ;-X

    • Karl Dubhe

      Victoria is a state in the nation of Australia. QC is Queen’s Council, it’s an honourary legal title in the British Common Law tradition. Means ‘learned’. 🙂

      • -M-

        Yes, but ‘of or from Victoria Australia’ isn’t normally the first interpretation that occurs to a U.S. reader’s brain for ‘Victorian noun‘. So there’s a funny mental double take.

      • ChrisMorley

        A QC is a thing: HM Queen Elizabeth confers this title on individuals of legal merit. They get to wear a fancy silk gown.

        • William

          I never get to wear a fancy silk gown.

          • Galvestonian

            well … you just haven’t checked out the simply ‘marvelous’
            ( and reasonably priced ) frocks at Goodwill or the Salvation Army. The best designers and a fantastic selection of blouses and skirts, too. The sling pumps with the 6 inch heels can be found at these thrift palaces, too. Now get your ‘tush’ on down there and shop, shop, SHOP !!!

      • JCF

        Yeah, I get that. I suppose up in “Beautiful BC” they speak of “Victorians”, also. I’m just used to seeing it in a epoch sense.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Silver Badger

      Grandchildren? That is disgusting. Republicans are indeed vile and evil.

      • BobSF_94117

        You’d think they’d allow heterosexual fiances to, you know, send a message…

    • UrsusArctos

      Family Values? Feh!

  • Silver Badger

    Wouldn’t it be a bigger headline if a Catholic Priest WASN’T a child molester?

  • Stogiebear

    “…in the Catholic church’s long-running sexual abuse scandal.”

    Hopefully this program will be cancelled soon. Hey Monica, how’s about slinging a boycott the cardinal’s way?

  • 3-Star

    And this is news?

  • Blake J Butler

    Wellington Village, Florida passes ban on conversion therapy with a vote by the city council of 3-2.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/local/councilman-flips-vote-but-wellington-bans-conversion-therapy/53HkbOLyinuLzVtUxBJjeJ/

    • Adam King

      Yay!

      • (((GC)))

        About time!

        And what in the holy hell were the two dissenters thinking?!

        (Reading the article… “21 of the 22 speakers said that they were against banning the practice”! Is this really the 21st century?)

        • don

          They don’t think- they react…like bugs (no offense meant to bugs)

  • ohbear1957
  • sandollar_man

    Long running scandal – indeed.
    The Catholic Church has paid out 4 Billion in legal payoff’s and reparations for sex abuse since the 1950’s.
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/11/sexual-abuse-claims-cost-u-s-catholic-church-4-billion/

    • don

      that’s…amazing. And they are STILL getting away with it.

  • Lazycrockett
  • -M-

    O/T Another Tim Minchin hit, now animated. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U

  • Nychta

    Anyone here watching “The Keepers”? It’s a multilayered story of murder, sexual abuse and cover-up, centered around the killing of a Catholic nun and the stories of multiple students who were sexually assaulted at the school where she taught. Very well done.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/arts/television/review-the-keepers-netflix.html

    • William

      It sounds interesting, thanks for the tip!

    • William

      I finished watching the series over the weekend. That is exactly why all the investigations need to be taken away from local police/church officials. The FBI needs to file RICO charges against the Catholic church. The church covers up the crimes.
      Maybe the program will jumpstart the investigation into Sister Cathy’s murder.

      • Nychta

        Yeah, Maskell had connections everywhere within the local government, police and the church – no one local was going to investigate or do anything. It was telling how much private citizens Abbie and Gemma accomplished while official investigation went nowhere.

        Unfortunately, and I think this was touched on in the documentary, the people who were involved are getting up in years, and some have already died. It may be too late to get to the bottom of this murder and cover up. My hope is that the documentary opens people’s eyes.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    O/T @EricTrump has not a clue as to how economic policies work, let alone how long it takes for them to initiate change. He actually thinks his Daddy is the reason this is happening yet conveniently forgets that Daddy Dearest hasn’t enacted any fiscal policies. This kid is as dumb as they come.

    https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/880265462642339840

  • SoCalGal20

    Samantha Bee is raising money for Planned Parenthood and peoceeds from the sale of these Nasty Woman t-shirts will go toward that effort.

    https://twitter.com/fullfrontalsamb/status/880261109613199360

    • Lazycrockett

      Dammit I keep forgetting to record SB.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: Does this go under the tag “infighting is funny”?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/28/tillerson-blows-up-at-white-house-aide-240075

    “Tillerson also complained that the White House was leaking damaging information about him to the news media, according to a person familiar with the meeting. Above all, he made clear that he did not want DeStefano’s office to “have any role in staffing” and “expressed frustration that anybody would know better” than he about who should work in his department — particularly after the president had promised him autonomy to make his own decisions and hires, according to a senior White House aide familiar with the conversation.

    The episode stunned other White House officials gathered in chief of staff Reince Priebus’ office, leaving them silent as Tillerson raised his voice. In the room with Tillerson and DeStefano were Priebus, top Trump aide Jared Kushner and Margaret Peterlin, the secretary of state’s chief of staff.

    The encounter, described by four people familiar with what happened, was so explosive that Kushner approached Peterlin afterward and told her that Tillerson’s outburst was completely unprofessional, according to two of the people familiar with the exchange, and told her that they needed to work out a solution.”

    • Lazycrockett

      I kinda want to feel for Rex for the shit storm he’s in but then I remember he took the position cause his wife said that “god” wanted him to take it and then I laugh happily and then get scared at the gutting of the department.

      • johncAtl

        So, I seem to recall something about mysterious ways. I guess maybe it’s true.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        It sounds like he actually wants some competent people in there regardless of party affiliation but he gets getting overridden. If he’s not completely a Russian puppet who has to stay there, I can see him kicking over chair and going “I’m out!”

        • -M-

          Or he just wants his people or no one who challenges him.

    • The_Wretched

      Were I doing staffing, I’d like the ‘political official’ out of my hair as well.

  • Mike Knife

    The Catholic pedophile cult needs to be stopped.

  • Sporkfighter

    I’m sure his duties at the Vatican are so numerous and important that he won’t be able to find the time for a criminal trial. Any free time he has will be spent helping Cardinal Bernie.

  • bkmn

    Please don’t hold your breath waiting for Tony Duggar PerKKKins to raise his voice about worrying about the children. He does not give one damn about the kids, only about messing with teh gehz.

  • Paula

    The Cardinal will be double plus super secret reassigned to a country that doesn’t have an extradition treaty with Australia. Hell, he is probably there already.

    • ChrisMorley

      He can stay in the Vatican. Australia has no extradition treaty with the Vatican, only with Italy.

      • William

        Don’t Cardinals get Vatican City citizenship? Maybe it’s only the ones with legal troubles.

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    My mom a devot catholic went to see the parish head priest when she discovered i was a gay.
    The priest gave her that spiel about how i could never have sex with a woman cause it would be a lie and never have sex with a man cause it would be a mortal sin.
    I said, “mom, you asked a priest about what i should do with my sex life? He probably molests the alter boys”

    Of course, two things happened.
    My mom was horrified at my criticizing the church.
    And several years later that priest was “relocated” to central america after he was found to have molested boys.

    • Frank

      Of course, he was. You were to old for him, thank non-existent God. Otherwise, Fr. Perv would have hit on you when you and your mother met with him.

    • Lazycrockett

      While not a member of the CC I have always wondered when did the notion of alter boys enter into the history of the church?

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Well the the rcc has always had a thing for innocencents. Boys especially.

        • Lazycrockett

          So we are talking centuries like 2, 3? since the inception?

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            All i know is catholic art is filled with cherubs. Aka kiddy porn be4 there was kodachrome

          • The_Wretched

            Baby Jesus with Mother Mary medieval art gets a little….huh? at times. It’s not unusual to have her grabbing his baby junk.

      • Bomer

        Alter servers used to be professed acolytes working their way up to becoming a priest. Once seminaries became a thing these acolytes were no longer available to parishes so some time after the Council of Trent (1563ish?) the church decided to let lay men and boys serve in that role.

    • boobert

      My aunt was divorced and turned to the church. Her parish priest was very attentive, not so much to her, as to my young cousin. At one point he was joined the seminary , and I suspect he became a plaything for the bishop and got passed around. He left after some scandal and it turned tragic for him. The cycle repeated and he also had problems. Rather than implicate the church in his defense, they chose a not guilty route. The result was 37 years with no parole. It’s ironic that if he had stayed in the church, he would have gotten his hands slapped and been moved to another location. The worst part is that they all feel this was no fault of the church.

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    Has there ever been a study as to why priests have a higher instance of child molestation?
    I know the RCC tries to blame it on us.
    But is it easy access to young boys? Is it sexual depravation?

    • boobert

      I believe it’s because a lot of priest were also molested as children and the cycle keeps repeating.

    • BobSF_94117

      The biggest factor as to why there are so many is that they don’t weed them out.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I remember hearing from a documentary that a lot of priests don’t prey on kids but do things like have relationships with their house keeper or go clubbing so it becomes a society of secrets aka “we won’t rat on you if you don’t rat on us.” It’s still shitty and horrible so I make no excuses for them.

        I will say that if priests could have open relationships with adults & get married, the blackmail potential would go away and there would be less of a hush-hush culture in general.

        • JCF

          In other words, it would be like the Episcopal Church clergy. Don’t get me wrong—we’re not perfect. There are still child abusers in the ranks. But it’s probably not any higher than any other demographic. Our priests can get married, straight or gay!

        • BobSF_94117

          There’s a profound need to avoid “scandal”, so all sins, great and small, are never discussed.

    • Friday

      Culture of abuse and shaming. It provides cover to abusers while wrapping them up in the abuse and shaming instead of ever having them confront it. Priests consider the victims ‘tempters’ and the only real problem with their abuse is if it’s a ‘sexual sin’ while they justify doing all other kinds of abuse as well without blinking.

    • ChrisMorley

      Child abuse is about opportunity, people with more than usual access to children and other young people.
      So
      – priests, ministers, clergy etc
      – music teachers giving 1-2-1 tuition
      – scout and youth leaders ….

      • Hue-Man

        Or predators choose professions where they have easy access to their “prey”?

        • Boreal

          Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.

        • -M-

          It’s amazing how many religious people still don’t get that. If they did they could better protect their kids and build safeguards into their institutions. But nope, they’re the only people who can’t figure out that child abusers will go where they’re trusted with unsupervised access to children and protected from repercussions when caught.

      • -M-

        Deacons.

    • canoebum

      Celibacy as a lifestyle is unnatural and distorts the psyche. They are everything they wrongly accuse us of being.

    • The_Wretched

      The problem is Access, no Wives (accountability), and Obey (authoritarianism). Pretty much every organization with those three features has high levels of abuse. It’s entirely predictable.

      The same orgs like to jump and down screaming about how moral they are and how they should be the ones teaching morality. Notice how that supports all three pillars.

  • Lazycrockett

    https://twitter.com/jwcglaser/status/880229526009151489

    Think bout that before the gop and the Drumpf administration gets us in a Syria war.

  • coram nobis

    It’s not just him, there’s a whole Church history in Australia. This may open a whole new reckoning. Just google the history of the christian brothers in Australia and you’ll get an eyefull.

    • billbear1961

      It’s a NIGHTMARE.

      • coram nobis

        This was just one.

        • billbear1961

          Any left-wing organization guilty of even one TENTH of this vile abuse would be DESTROYED by it if it became public knowledge.

          This is tolerated because the abuse comes from a religious institution–a rich and POWERFUL one–because the greatest and most evil hypocrisy on this earth THRIVES among the “godly” right.

          They turn a blind eye to the most vile evil, or make endless excuses for it, when THEIR institutions are the GUILTY source.

          No matter WHAT these monstrous FRAUDS are guilty of, CN, people STILL listen to their two-faced SERMONS.

          • 4 in 5 white evangelicals, 3 in 5 white Catholics and Mormons — “pro-life” voters — brought us the Trump nightmare.

          • billbear1961

            Hello, Cherry!

          • Yo Bear. Good to find you here at home.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: A lot of vets are pissed about Trumpcare.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-need-medicaid-speaking-gop-health-care-bill-005909615.html

    “In fact, as of December 2015, only about 40 percent of the nearly 22 million veterans living in the U.S. were enrolled in the Department of Veterans Affairs health care system. Not all veterans qualify for health care benefits through the VA — anyone who was dishonorably discharged or served for less than 24
    consecutive months is out. But even among those who are eligible, many either do not live near a VA hospital or find that the VA does not treat their particular condition.

    In Gregory’s case, the length of her Air Force service ended just six weeks short of the required 24 months.

    Thanks to Medicaid, which she was able to enroll in only after receiving her dire cancer diagnosis in the spring of 2011, Gregory has been under the care of top oncologists and surgeons in Nashville.

    Within the first few weeks of her diagnosis, Gregory’s doctors discovered that
    her cancer had metastasized to her spine, making it stage IV, or “end stage.” She was given six months to a year to live.

    Exactly six years, nine surgeries, six months of chemotherapy, and 30 radiation treatments later, she’s still alive.”

    • Lazycrockett

      Hang this all on McConnell, he is the evil. If you know anyone in Kentucky talk to them and explain what this evil is doing. 2018

      • Ninja0980

        Allison Grimes could have done this in 2014.
        Instead she was a coward and ran away from Obama and McConnell’s evil.

    • don

      I was in the military, and I can attest that 100% socialized medicine- which is what we had- WORKS

  • Nowhereman

    Damn! My shocked face is out for repairs.

  • Friday

    *taptapping my surprise meter* This is either pegged or just broken.

  • William

    Not for delicate ears.
    Tim MInchin – Pope Song
    https://youtu.be/Be5hkPwwjeM

    • JCF

      I really like the cartoon version (w/ cartoon Pope Palpatine)

      • The_Wretched

        And they tinky winkies.

    • olandp

      “If the Pope owned a Disco, no one would come because they won’t allow gays there.”

  • billbear1961

    O/T: Attention, Senator Heller!

    Rural Nevada residents will no longer have access to health insurance and subsidies under Nevada’s exchange.

    The Silver State Health Insurance Exchange announced today that its insurance carriers were eliminating coverage next year to 14 out of 17 Nevada counties. Exchange Executive Director Heather Korbulic said in a news release that she and staff members are working to ensure that those counties have access to other resources.

    ………………………….

    Anthem Inc. spokeswoman Kelli Stauning released a statement from Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield that cited Nevada’s volatile insurance market and federal uncertainty in its decision to only file in three counties in 2018.

    ……………………………..

    Health care uncertainty in Washington, D.C., and from President Donald Trump is pushing health insurance companies out of some markets, Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev., said.

    “Rural Nevadans struggle the most when it comes to access to affordable health care, and it is disappointing that President Trump’s reckless actions have led Anthem to reach a decision that will give Nevadans far less options for health care coverage that works for them,” Cortez Masto said. “President Trump’s efforts to sabotage the Affordable Care Act must stop at once.”

    https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/jun/28/nevada-health-plan-exchange-braces-for-cut-to-rura/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyemiiHXn-0

    • The_Wretched

      The insanity of trumpcare potentially passing has the insurance companies pulling back. “Market uncertainty” is a standard business reason for retrenchment. It’s not “obamacare failing”. It’s a mess the current idiots are making much worse.

  • coram nobis

    So, is Francis going to say anything?

    • Max_1

      Give him time… He has to address this.

      • don

        They have to get their stories straight. No pun intended.

  • Max_1

    Someone probably already posted this by now but I’ll repeat and echo Congressman Lieu in saying, President Trump is derelict in his duty to fulfill his Oath of Office to protect America from attacks both foreign and domestic and that his refusal to believe his Intel comm and cater to Russian diplomats in private in the Oval Office to suggesting giving back embassies and lifting sanctions drafted by former President Obama for President Trump to put into action… He’s showing favor for the foreign government that broke into voter rolls across the Nation and may have altered them.

    He’s so derelict he commits treason casually…

    https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/880159799849209856

    • billbear1961
      • David Milley

        Perfect accompaniment to the morning read!

    • billbear1961

      This was the rendition on harpsichord I liked best, Max, and I decided to post it despite the silly sunglasses added to Bach’s portrait.

  • Max_1
  • normally i’d say, “well, it sounds like someone who believes he’s innocent and is willing to stand and face the charges so let’s give him the benefit of innocent until proven guilty” but this is the RCC and “thousands” of abuse cases under his helm means I can’t. that makes me sad, cause that is my default position, esp with stories with as few details as these. but if he really is innocent and really didn’t know about all the abuse taking place under his watch, that just makes him a really stupid dupe and he should not be surprised that there is blowback from such a festering culture. it besmirches the innocent sometimes as well as the guilty.

    • Friday

      He’s just trying to make his denial sound like something, apparently he refused to answer charges in court citing health reasons in the first place.

    • The_Wretched

      One of those lingering questions is why the RCC has been cleaning up the abuse cases for so long an essentially in every country. That the offenders go to the very top of the organization goes a long way in explaining it.

  • This is the fellow who not so long ago claimed to be so gravely ill that the stress of flying to Australia (to answer questions from the Royal Commission on Child Sexual Abuse) would endanger his life — but now has no worries about flying to Australia to face criminal charges in Court?

    • Ernest Endevor

      The Power of Prayer!

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        A miracle cure! The Laws works in mysterious ways.

    • billbear1961

      Hello, Roger!

      Looks like there will be great equality news soon in Germany!

      If so, I hope it will help move things along in Australia!

      • Hello Mr Bear!

        Yes, we in Oz are watching the events in Germany with interest, and equality there will certainly help put pressure on Canberra — but Mr Turnbull is one of those people who mistakes stubbornness for strength and it’s hard to see him relenting and doing the right thing. Still, stranger things have happened. In the meantime, the Mad Monk wants to be PM again and is squawking about a leadership challenge.

        As for the former Archbishop, I’m betting he’ll have a terrible relapse and take to his bed again rather than come home and face the music? ‘Twill be interesting to see what his boss has to say about that!

        • Friday

          His boss is still sheltering Bernie Law.

  • TuuxKabin

    Bill Donohue @ the catlick league may need to know about this. I copied the link to the headline with a message and faxed to him at:

    the catlick league
    212-371-3394

    Using,

    https://faxzero.com/

  • netxtown

    Meanwhile, while the good priests aren’t banging the kids…..

    “The NCAVP report also noted an increase in anti-LGBTQ legislation
    nationwide, with 125 bills being introduced in 32 state legislatures in
    2015, 156 in 32 states in 2016 and 100 in 29 states in 2017, overall. By
    March of this year, 21 states had adopted constitutional or statutory
    anti-gay laws on the pretext of so-called “religious exemption,” with
    more laws being voted on across the U.S.

    Under the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump, modest
    federal protections extended by the Barack Obama administration were
    overturned while executive orders promoting anti-LGBTQ “free speech” and
    “religious liberties” were signed, granting de facto official sanction
    to those wanting state protection for bigotry and discrimination.”

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/2016-Deadliest-Year-On-Record-for-LGBTQ-Community-in-US-20170628-0041.html

  • Pucks yer Mackd

    WOW!!! I am shocked! So many of your moral guardians, the voices of god are hurting the smallest of humans. This is why they are against birth control and abortions, we are taking away their sex toys. Their steady supply of unsuspecting victims. Meanwhile, this supposed omnipotent being in the heavens is allowing this, he is testing the child molesting church officials. I feel better knowing their is a hidden purpose to this, that God has a plan and I am unworthy of knowing the outcome!

  • zhera

    Meanwhile, on Fox, the bitches bitch about those who are critical to AHCA or BHCA or whatever they call it now:

    https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/28/1676075/-Smiling-healthy-insured-Fox-News-host-mocks-Medicaid-defenders-we-re-all-going-to-die-sometime

    I’m so disgusted.

  • anne marie in philly

    does this surprise anyone? this institution, like the dump dictatorship, is FULL of corruption and abuse. SHUT THEM BOTH DOWN NOW!

  • TheSeer

    Child raping cult, enemies of human decency.

  • Daveed_WOW

    I forgot how much I hate the Catholic Church.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    But did he rape the rainbow? I’m guessing Linda Harvey and her fellow screechers will have nothing so say about this?

  • OT, but now apparently McConnell is bemoaning the fact that the Dems don’t want to work together with him.
    Bless your heart. Oh, and here’s a pie for you.
    Fuck off.

  • June Gordon
    • Boreal

      Ha!

    • don

      Damn I miss Republican Faith Chat!! Fortunately some of their pages are archived on the Wayback Machine…highly recommended, awesome satire

    • don

      June I hope you’ve been staying away from ‘medicine’! 🙂

  • Galvestonian

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha … bunch of pious hypocrites, bung-holing dorks one and all. The biggest con in recorded history. St Paul’s epiphany was figuring out how to make a business out of all that crap, pull in the big bucks and live like the big queens they all are.

  • don

    Mightn’t we raise the age of military service- and religious indoctrination- to 30.

    It would solve a LOT of problems.

  • Ninja0980

    Does this mean that going foward, the Catholic Church in Australia can shut the fuck up about how same sex couples are a danger to children?

  • Paul

    But on Friday they’ll say that Merkel wants to undermine family values and the dignity of the children.

  • Robert Pierce

    Ironic that he has a cousin who happens to be a lesbian. She fought him over his opposition to same-sex marriage.

  • ※ Benny Cemoli ✔Gold Verified

    As Australia has no extradition treaty with the Vatican, Cardinal Pell
    may avoid prosecution should he choose not to return to Victoria, but he
    is expected to come back to fight the charges.

    I really doubt Pell will actually return to Australia for prosecution. He’ll simply have another bout of “poor health” that will prevent him from traveling and that will be the end of the prosecution of Cardinal Pell.

  • James

    Shockwaves? Really? Nobody who hasn’t been in a coma for the last 2 decades can claim to be shocked when another religious official is charged with abuse.

  • Canadian Observer

    The Tim Minchin video is pure genius. Hope it tops the charts.