Pew Survey: Support For Marriage Equality Soars To Record 62% On Second Anniversary Of Obergefell

The Washington Examiner reports:

Support for gay marriage among U.S. adults hit 62 percent in June, the highest level ever recorded, according to a Pew Research poll released Monday. The June 8-18 survey found just under one-third of Americans do not support same-sex marriage, further increasing the gap between advocates and opponents.

Pew, who has been tracking Americans’ opinions on the issue for two decades, found the greatest uptick in support came over the past year with a 7-point increase. The shift is a result of groups who have historically not supported the policy increasingly changing their minds, including baby boomers, African-Americans and Republicans.

  • JWC

    Hey Tony thaere a stat for ya

    • Goodboy

      As long as were the boogy man to his ever shrinking base he’ll keep working that for as long as possible.

  • coram nobis

    It’s not the 62% you have to worry about. It’s the hotel desk clerk or ER nurse that decides it’s against her religion to admit you.

    • Ninja0980

      And a SCOTUS stacked with people for whom that will be okay.

      • Todd20036

        Once that happens, we will have to rely on the 62% for the underground railroad to escape the camps

        • JWC

          I still have to believe that there is a quiet silent majority who have sat back , watched and weighed the events and cannot be happy In that mix could be some Trumpians some Bernieites Or maybe I should have another puff

          • Todd20036

            The Berned bros cannot be bothered to get out of their ivory towers.
            The Trumpanzees will think we molest kids.

          • JWC

            still the mom and pops who believed that had 2 evils to vote for and opted for the male evil Now see a problem

          • Rambie

            I want to believe with you but fear you should have another puff. πŸ™

          • JWC

            Join me..then you too can think this way hehehe

          • Rambie

            Republicans are too Party over Country these days to not fall in line on the votes.

    • penpal

      Or the bigot who yells “faggots!” at you as you’re walking down the street holding hands with your legal spouse. Hate crimes are on the rise because of the frenzy Republicans have whipped their base into.

      • Steve Teeter

        I was walking down the street one day when a convertible with two college guys in it came down the road. As they passed me one of them yelled at me: “BREEDER!!” I was startled, of course. All I could think of was…………………………………………..moi??

    • Blake Jordan

      National marriage equality could mean very little if the SCOTUS decides “religious freedom” trumps our rights for almost everything else…

      • Frostbite

        I look forward to the day my religion says I don’t have to supply goods or services to stupid bigots.

        • Danieruw

          Just say it does. They can’t make you prove it since “religion” can pretty much be anything to anybody.

    • Hank

      I would be less concerned about the ER Nurse, due to the EMTALA laws.

      The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to individuals seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may not transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment except with the informed consent or stabilization of the patient or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.[1]

      EMTALA applies to “participating hospitals.” The statute defines “participating hospitals” as those that accept payment from the Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) under the Medicare program.[2] “Because there are very few hospitals that do not accept Medicare, the law applies to nearly all hospitals.”[3] The combined payments of Medicare and Medicaid, $602 billion in 2004,[4] or roughly 44% of all medical expenditures in the U.S., make not participating in EMTALA impractical for nearly all hospitals. EMTALA’s provisions apply to all patients, not just to Medicare patients.[5][6]

      • coram nobis

        That’s nice, but there’s still the case of Janice Langbehn to think about.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Langbehn

        Denying medical service may trigger some professional sanctions — afterward. But barring family from the hospital may still, probably will, occur.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        Thanks you for posting, Hank! I have no experience working in hospital ERs, so if you say this happens, then I believe you.

        However, the statute says, “regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay,” which usually does NOT implicate sexual orientation or gender (non-)conformity/presentation.

        “legal status”–??? Is this defined in the statute? Looks like it refers to immigration status.

        • Hank

          Heinous errors do happen in every system, despite the laws. As a medical professional, it never would have happened, where I worked!!
          2007, when Langbehn and her family were discriminated against, it was STILL the height of Bush/Rove/Cheney’s using the GLBT community as “demons”, politically!!! So, I am not surprised. Since, then….

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Memorial_Hospital
          “Two days after Jackson’s announcement, in part as a result of Langbehn’s story, President Barack Obama issued a memorandum ordering hospitals receiving Medicare and Medicaid funding to allow patients to decide who can visit them and prohibit discrimination, including sexual orientation and gender identity.[3][8] President Obama also called Ms. Langbehn on the same day, expressing his sorrow for the events.[9] The rule went into effect on January 2011.[10] According to Langbehn, the hospital has not apologized for the denial of visitation.[3][9]

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Surprised this Memorandum has not been superseded or reversed yet. Does it apply to providing care, or only visitation?

            If we were playing poker, I would accuse you of sand-bagging.

          • Hank

            Look above at the definition of the EMTALA rules. Which requires ALL patients who appear to be seen and usually treated or transferred. Obama’s memorandum added on “who can visit”. I do not know if Ponds and Langbehn were married or just partners…. not that it would have changed anything here in Florida in 2007…. sadly!
            To the best of my knowledge ANYONE who has proven Medical Powers of Attorney, as Langbehn did, should not have been denied the right to visit and make Medical Decisions. Hell, my best friend and NOT my brother is MY Medical Power of Attorney!!

  • TimCA

    Which is why Pence, Sessions etc. will have (once thoroughly packed with Trump appointments) the “independent” judiciary do their dirty work of extinguishing LGBT civil rights.

  • ChrisInKansas

    Sadly now, any poll that “skews liberal” is fake and worthless, thanks to Trump.

    • Blake Jordan

      Unless that polling service also says Donnie’s approval is at 50+, it is just fake news…

  • MikeBx2

    The Memphis – Arkansas I-55 Bridge last night. (photo credit Big River Crossing FB page)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fbea883624e49c12750c9eb8183964d93d89f0ace47f49fb47d9c440824ae8d3.jpg

    • ChrisInKansas

      Lovely. Maybe there’s hope for America after all…

      • matrem

        No, probably not. America is over. We’re just going through the motions.

        • Jonathan Smith
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      • JWC

        there is always the silent majority

        • Sporkfighter

          Fuck lot of good they are.

          • JWC

            they have been surprising in the past Remember Donny spoke the truth when he said many many time the election was rigged

    • netxtown

      truly a bridge over troubled water…(mississippi)

      • Anastasia Beaverhousen

        The day Billy Jo McAlister came out on the Tallehatchee Bridge.

    • JWC

      brave new world

    • Blake Jordan

      Isn’t Tennessee 1 of 2 (3) states that outright bans local protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity*?

      *See below for clarification.

      • The_Wretched

        If we had a remotely sane SCT, those laws banning local protections would be gone. Equal Protection means that when you legislate, you cannot call out one group or another for a different legal regime. the laws have to apply the same to everyone.

        • Blake Jordan

          I think the law bans local protections not covered by state law, so while it does not mention sexual orientation and gender identity specifically, it has the same effect… so it is basically the non-bathroom specific parts of North Carolina’s HB2…

      • MikeBx2

        They used private funds to put daily and special lighting on the bridge as well as create a pedestrian / bike riding crossing. Even so, still plenty of sanctimonious outrage happens.

    • CanuckDon

      LOL….sorta changes the meaning of this classic….

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBRTIvLGoq8

    • narutomania

      Wow! What a beacon of beauty and warmth in the pitch black of night out there on the edge of Memphis.

    • JT

      Memphis is a Democratic stronghold.

  • netxtown

    Now if we can just get the 62% to vote against hate…..

    • Todd20036

      NOt good enough. The Berned Bros and the Jill Pills will say they vote against hate, even as they enable it.

  • Ninja0980

    I think the bigots in Australia put it best when they said they would vote no on same sex marriage even if a plebiscite (which is non binding) showed 97% of the Australian public in favor of same sex marriage.
    They aren’t and thus they don’t give a shit what others think or want.
    The bigots here are no different.
    Pence, Gorsuch etc. don’t give a shit how much of the public supports same sex marriage.
    They don’t and that is all that matters.

    • JWC

      the whole country needs medical care but Turtle and the Irish don’t so you are screwed

    • matrem

      America is done. We lost. Move to a blue state and enjoy our last days until we turn into a Christian Iran.

  • Jonathan Smith

    and they are still doing everything they can to make “da queers” second class citizens
    Sad!. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5042ca308955375d3e148a55a66db945fabe9f7384f9481126c21a5b92084334.jpg

    • JWC

      Oh they all ready know that its just to comnvince that other 62 % that voted wrong Gee if the 42% who voted wrong for #45

  • Todd Allis

    Close to Trump’s disapproval rating!

    • pch1013

      Or, to look at it another way, same-sex marriage is almost twice as popular as Trump is.

      • whollyfool

        This made me very happy. Thank you. πŸ˜€

  • Hue-Man

    Marriage equality percentages for other countries show that some people will always be opposed. The countries whose lawmakers are way behind the voters are Germany (83% support) and Australia and Switzerland (69% support).
    http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-most-accepting-of-gay-marriage.html

    • scream4ever

      I believe support for interracial marriage in the US is stuck at around 90%.

  • bambinoitaliano

    It’s a big leap from agreeing the queer community should afford the same civil right to marking down in a ballot of a politician that supports that. Many none queer folks priority shift when bombard with other issues that are lump into the civil right question in an election.

  • penpal

    Sad news for the malignant forces that made our lives hell in the process of getting here. We need stronger legislation and more rights in place that protect minorities from their hate.

  • Paula

    This doesn’t have anything to do with what the people want. It hasn’t been that way in about two centuries. This is about what the politicians in Washington want. They will do what ever it takes to make themselves wealthier and toe the party line.
    They don’t care about the people.

  • safari

    O/T: I really wish the reporters at today’s press briefing would have the fortitude to use cameras and stream live despite the WH banning video and live streaming of a live, tax-payer funded press conference from the office of the frickin’ president.

    • Paula

      I think they should invest in some those miniature spy cameras.

    • Jonathan Smith

      I thought CNN handled it nicely, way to Troll
      With cameras banned, CNN sends sketch artist to White House …

    • Hank

      I wish, that they would just NOT show up for the press briefings, and let Hair Drumpf do ALL the reporting by his Tweets!!! /s

      • safari

        I actually like the press briefings because they are constant reminders to everyone who watches how much BS this administration is putting out and how apt they are at not answering simple questions.

        • The_Wretched

          I agree. Getting them on the record with their plain and obvious lies matters. Watching Spicy degrade and erode before our eyes matters.

          • safari

            I wonder if they’ll ask him again today if he’s talked to 45* about Russian election tampering since last week he hadn’t gotten around to it for five months.

  • Cuberly

    …and just as the religio-nut cases are doing with abortion they’ll be doing the same to our rights. Legislating and litigating over and over in an attempt to whittle our rights away.

    Since when does a majority opinion matter in this country?

    • JWC

      do you not find it strange that in matter of abortion and planned parenthood there was not one woman in the process

      • Jonathan Smith
        • JWC

          because she is more than a man who tells here what she may do In this regard the US is no better tha IRaq Eqypt or the rest of them

          • Jonathan Smith

            hey, we let them DRIVE. /s

          • JWC

            and vote and a few others but not all

      • Cuberly

        Not when it comes to the GOP. As far as I’m aware Murkowski is the only GOPer that’s come out in defense of PP.

        The last thing the GOP would do is include her in any sort of healthcare policy debate.

  • coram nobis

    Justice Sotomayor, dissenting in the Trinity Lutheran case today:

    … the story relevant here is one of consistency. The use of public funds to support core religious institutions can safely be described as a hallmark of the States’ early experiences with religious establishment. Every state establishment saw laws passed to raise public funds and direct them toward houses of worship and ministers. And as the States all disestablished, one by one, they all undid those laws.

    Those who fought to end the public funding of religion based their opposition on a powerful set of arguments, all stemming from the basic premise that the practice harmed both civil government and religion. The civil government, they maintained, could claim no authority over religious belief. For them, support for religion compelled by the State marked an overstep of authority that would only lead to more. Equally troubling, it risked divisiveness by giving religions reason to compete for the State’s beneficence.
    — at pp. 11-12

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-577_khlp.pdf

    She goes on quote James Madison and the early Virginia experience, but she raises an interesting point: all the states voluntarily disestablished over the years, and mainly because of tax issues, before the Supreme Court got around to church-state rulings.

    • The_Wretched

      Estalbishmentism in the early colonies was a big factor in State border skirmishes. US Constitution #1 was an utter failure before we got the current one.

      • coram nobis

        Yes, and the Madison Remonstrance and Virginia disestablishment she refers to took place in 1784, after independence but before the Constitutional convention, and that experience would have informed the subsequent 1st Amendment. She does note, however, that SCOTUS only applied the Free Exercise and Establishment clauses to the states much later, via the 14th Amendment.

        Justice Sotomayor does regard this decision with alarm in that light.

        To hear the Court tell it, this is a simple case about recycling tires to resurface a playground. The stakes are higher. This case is about nothing less than the relationship between religious institutions and the civil governmentβ€”that is, between church and state. The Court today profoundly changes that relationship by holding, for the first time, that the Constitution requires the government to provide public funds directly to a church. Its decision slights both our precedents and our history, and its reasoning weakens this country’s longstanding commitment to a separation of church and state beneficial to both.

        I’m not looking for anything good to come out of this new Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado case coming up next term.

        • The_Wretched

          I’ll go read the whole dissent when I have a moment.

  • safari

    O/T: Finally… but “with exceptions”
    https://twitter.com/GlennThrush/status/879397443472896000

    • safari

      But still… “probably”? Is this like global warming where a small group of non-intel people are saying everyone else is wrong?

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        This seems to be the new party line or defense that some Republicans are pushing now, admitting all of this happened but saying it had nothing to do with Trump even while throwing Manafort, Sessions, Kushner, Flynn and Page under the bus. Nunes and Dershowitz and David Brooks are actually pushing this line (along with far left useful idiots like Glenn Greenwald!)

        It’s like, Huh? What do all those people have in common? Oh yeah…. they work(ed) for Trump. The whole thing is ridiculous. And why even try to implausibly isolate Trump? I don’t get it.

        https://twitter.com/politico/status/879253428010135552

    • OdieDenCO

      that “other country” would be the USA lead by the GOP.

    • safari
    • coram nobis

      What other countries? The Principality of Liechtenstein? The Republic of San Marino?

      • Karl Dubhe

        People from Canada posted their opinions on ‘your’ websites!111

        Treacherous lot, us Canucks.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of Putin’s “patriotic hackers” were actually located in Ukraine. It’s like tele-commuting.

      • Cuberly

        My money is on Fredonia, they’re a shady bunch.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCgHRhHhBAU

        • coram nobis

          That’s right: President Rufus T. Firefly is boorish, misogynistic, unstable, crude and a warmonger. He’s a lot like Donald Trump. Except a lot wittier. And thinner.

    • Jon Doh

      And, don’t forget about that 400lb guy in his mother’s basement.

  • SoCalGal20

    Good news!

  • KnownDonorDad

    It’s hard to get too upset at something that doesn’t affect you and isn’t perceived as a matter of life or death (viz. the issue of abortion). This is also critically dependent on people coming to realize they have gay and lesbian neighbors, friends, relatives, co-workers, and so forth. The usual caveats apply about not being complacent, as a dominionist is next in line for the Presidency.

  • SoCalGal20

    This is potentially very bad. Trump’s BFF, publisher of the National Enquirer, is looking to put in a bid for Time Inc’s magazine holdings.

    https://twitter.com/poniewozik/status/879304504377835520

    • safari

      More propaganda. What I see in the supermarkets on the shelves spewing fake pro-Trump news is sickening enough.

      • Cuberly

        I think one of the most under-reported National Enquirer covers was the one they ran on Megyn Kelly prior to her Putin interview. It was pretty nasty, attempting to take her down. But, again, the timing before her Putin interview was rather curious.

    • Todd20036

      I’ve given up on Time long ago

    • prixator

      Any relation to Picky?

      • SoCalGal20

        I hope not! 😧

    • Jon Doh

      First pecker I know of I don’t like.

    • Cuberly

      Well, it’s print, with tanking subscription #s. It’d be bad but even if it did get taken over by right wing assholes, how’d it be any different from Drudge?

  • colo303

    Soaring isn’t exactly what I would call a 7 point bump, but hey, who am I to say?

    • safari

      It’s actually pretty huge compared to most other issues in the US.

  • SFBruce

    This is good and completely unsurprising news. I don’t personally know anyone whose position on this changed in the last year, but I can’t help but think that they’ve noticed the sky hasn’t fallen and that their gay neighbors are a lot like themselves.

  • DisqusD37

    Maybe the time will come that the Tony Perkins, Linda Harveys and Phyllis Schaflys will be relegated to the same status as Westboro Baptist Church; that of laughing stock.

    • Cuberly

      The fact it’s taking so long to get a supposed “religious freedumb” bill going actually says something. Of all things, I thought that would have been pushed through the second day of the trump admin.

      Why are the GOP and the WH playing it cautious on this?

      • The_Wretched

        Abysmal and dropping poling. “Religious freedumb” stuff was under or at 50% in the polls (i.e. random guessing by the public). As more education has been done, the lawmakers have gotten on board (like with every other right wing media push) but the public has been going the other way. The more the people know about “Religious freedumb” arguments, bills and changes (abcs), the more they are against it. That drop is true even in the religious side of the scale.

        The best counter argument to them seems to be to remind people that they don’t want to follow the laws of the religous loons / bible thumpers. Calling these laws ‘bible thumping’ works.

        • Cuberly

          Well, looking at the evangelicals currently fawning over donnie, they sure seem to be obsessed with demonizing any sort of criticism directed at the administration.

          Looking at Right Wing Watch and other evangelical monitoring sites it seems they’re more concerned with their access to power and propping that up more than anything. I rarely see them talk policy. For the most part they’re hawking paranoid anti-dem and anti-lgbt conspiracy bs peppered with praise for donnie. Like the mere presence of Donnie in the WH is accomplishing something on their behalf….with zero actual accomplishments to speak of.

          But then, keeping the collection plates full means keeping their minions scared and ignorant.

      • pch1013

        Waiting for 1 more guaranteed pro-fascism vote on the Supreme Court, is my guess.

        • Cuberly

          Yep, good point.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Phyllis is the new assistant for Andrew Breitbart and Antonin Scalia.

      http://www.osborneink.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/gunpowder-137.jpg

  • -M-

    Yay! A lot of the other news was depressing.

    • Treant

      Couples who love each other and can now get married: Priceless.

    • pch1013

      What about divorce attorneys?

      OK, I know, but my BF recently went through a horribly expensive divorce and is not keen to repeat the experience. I can’t say I blame him one bit.

  • James

    Only 62%. Well, that’s higher than Georgia, Armenia and Estonia, anyway.

  • Jon Doh

    O/T: So in the old house the sprinkler controller was in the garage, far away from the front door. In the new house, we placed the controller in the front door coat closet. This morning, I was able to water my first Jehovah’s Witness as he left as a result of that decision and I knew many of you would be happy for me. πŸ™‚

  • Jamie Wilson

    If Justice Kennedy retires and Obergefell is reversed in 2018 or 2019, we would see a catastrophic drop in the number of states with marriage equality – from 50 to 17. No existing marriages would be undone. We would then need to fight state-by-state to regain our rights. I estimate that in the first decade following reversal, we could recover as many as 10 states, bringing us up to 27. The decade after that might see another 5-8 states recovered. The last 15 or so states will hold out until mid-century. On the bright side, we will once again get to look at multi-colored maps of the US.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      This is only one reason why supporting ENDA is so crucial (even when the Congress is controlled by the Republican Party)! I disagree with your projections–how many States have passed simple non-discrimination laws? Something like 17 or 18?

      • Jamie Wilson

        If you are going to comment, it might be advisable to do some basic research on the topic first. You should know how many states have passed non-discrimination laws, that “ENDA” is no longer legislation under consideration, and that its passage would not cause marriage equality to become law.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Where do I say that passing ENDA would “cause marriage equality to become law”? Why is it “no longer legislation under consideration”?

    • scream4ever

      It won’t be reversed. The adoption case from Arkansas which was handed down today basically proves that. There will be more attempts to weaken it though, a la Roe v Wade.

      • Jamie Wilson

        I said “if” not when. The good thing is that, If it isn’t reversed, then it can’t really be diluted like Roe. With abortion, there are all kinds of subsidiary issues which provide opportunities for the conservative Justices to pare back Roe – parental consent, waiting periods, hospital affiliation requirements for clinics, etc etc. But with marriage equality, there really aren’t that many ways to pare back Obergefell. The birth certificate was one issue, but that may be it. So if Obergefell survives reversal, then gay marriage will be pretty much the same in 2057 as it is in 2017.

  • geoffalnutt

    Among other reasons, the sky didn’t fall. Gay folks marry all the time, now – and the opposition has no idea. That must infuriate them. Darn.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen
  • Carl

    Great. Now be adults and vote for Democrats, 62%. Would be appreciated.

  • GayOldLady

    And the 38% against Marriage Equality voted for Trump.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    It won’t matter if 45 gets another nominee on SCOTUS. But her emails…….

  • DuaneBidoux

    I do so wish we could change the meme from “for gay marriage” to “for marriage equality.”

    I’m personally not for any kind of marriage but that’s just me and the uniquely personal lessons I’ve learned along the way.

  • JCF

    Haven’t you heard? Only “pleasing the conservative base” matters anymore.

    I’m sorry—I shouldn’t be such a buzzkill. I’m really glad we’re WINNING the battle for public opinion (inasmuch as our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS shouldn’t require that!). I just hope that holds up…