Fox News: Supreme Court Must Decide If Rights Of “Hissy Fit” Gays Supersede Rights Of Everyone Else

Todd Starnes writes for Fox News:

The Supreme Court announced Monday it will tackle a culture war powder keg – should a Christian baker who opposes gay marriage on religious grounds be forced to participate in a gay wedding? The justices said they will consider a case involving Jack Phillips, the owner of the Masterpiece Cakeshop in Colorado. The issue: can the government coerce a person to create artistic expression that communicates a message with which he fundamentally disagrees?

In 2012, Mr. Phillips was approached by Charlie Craig and David Mullins. The men were going to be married in Massachusetts and they wanted the cake shop to bake a cake for their reception which was to be held in Colorado. Mr. Phillips politely declined – explaining to the gentlemen that he would make them any other type of baked item they wanted – but he simply could not make a cake promoting a same-sex ceremony because of his faith.

Mr. Craig and Mr. Mullins pitched a hissy fit and filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. It is our responsibility as God-loving patriots to stand alongside Jack Phillips as they wage this legal battle. We must stand together in the face of adversity. First, the LGBT activists came for the flower shops and the photographers. Then, they came for the bakers. And unless we draw a line in the sand, they may one day come for you and your business.

  • The_Wretched

    “I don’t want to be a second class citizen” is not a “hissy fit”

    • FAEN

      Preach!

    • Todd20036

      Why can’t that bloated sack of worthlessness just hurry up and die already?

      Is that too much to ask?

      • Danieruw

        Maybe we can switch him to Trumpcare. Fox News should be all about signing up for it since they love it so much.

    • Never hear of jewelers refusing to sell rings to gays.

      An item much more necessary for a wedding than flowers, photos, or a cake.

      Guess more money in that so the Christian morals go by the wayside.

      • DN

        Even though we live in one of the gay-friendliest cities in America, all these stories had me pretty gunshy when we bought our rings. Throughout the whole process, I was bracing myself for a Kim Davis moment.

        Even in one of America’s most gay-friendly cities.

        • David

          How did it go? I just posted my experience above.

      • cowboyinbrla

        Technically speaking, even a ring isn’t necessary. It’s perhaps traditional, but not necessary.

        But then rings seldom are designed or constructed by the jeweler – he’s simply selling a stock item (or ordering a stock item). The only part of the baker’s argument that holds any water is that he has to actively design the cake. Not that I consider that “participating” in the wedding, but it’s a valid difference to at least consider.

        • Nowhereman

          So every baker who decorates a birthday cake is participating in the birthday party? How about the tux rental store and the party favors. It’s just freaking nuts. But it sounds like Gorsuch will be Scalia on steroids.

          • KQCA

            Good question, Nowhereman. The gay-haters must have some pretty over-inflated egos to assume they’ve been invited to our weddings.

          • cowboyinbrla

            See my point above. I’m not saying the baker should win – for precisely the reason you noted (making a cake for a reception isn’t participating in the wedding). I’m just saying I recognize the thread of the argument he’s trying to make, which I believe fails.

        • juanjo54

          Have you ever worked in the catering or baking industry? In university I worked three years for a man who did catering for all manner of events and specialized in weddings. His wife was a trained baker and he had a full kitchen. I worked with his wife baing all manner of cakes, desserts, and pastries including a regular order of 35 standard New York cheesecakes, 35 “dutch swirl” cheesecakes and 35 strawberry cheesecakes. [Which is why over 40 years later I still will not touch cheesecake.] But I digress.

          Julie had a book with photos and descriptions of cakes. The couple chooses what type of cake and what type of icing. The style of cake is pretty much set in the book. There are several different types from a single layer to multiple layers depending on size. Likewise the decorations are pretty much set. Those pretty little flowers are the result of dies used with pastry bags and there are only so many ways they can work.

          One could come in with a design and ask if we could duplicate it and we would try and usually were able to do so. But you paid about triple the standard price for that.

          The simple fact is that the vast majority of people settle on whether they want white cake or yellow cake [with the occasional chocolate or fruit cake], the icing is almost always a fondant or a butter cream, a couple tiers with pillared posts supports, and some nice edging and flowers to decorate. They pick from a design in the book for the decoration and we would make it.

          My understanding that for all but some very top cake designers catering to a crowd this Colorado baker in not likely to ever have walking in his front door, this is true of all bakers offering cakes for weddings.

          What always surprised me back then was that despite the image I had as a child growing up of a little figure of a bride and groom on top, most people did not ask for this. Bells were popular as were rings for an obvious reason.

          The reality is that this baker offers a commercial service to the public. He has a limited number of cakes because there are only so many types of cakes which are suitable for weddings. He has a limited number of icings because depending on the icing and the time of year some icings are simply not capable of being used on a cake like that. The decoration style is also relatively limited since most people haven’t a clue and decide by looking at pictures of cakes he has already done which is actually a good idea because he obviously knows how to do that style well enough it is satisfying.

          Then he soaks them for a cake which ahs all of around 25.00 to 35.00 worth of sugar, cream, butter, eggs and flour. he is not a fraking Michelangelo.

          • cowboyinbrla

            I realize that most of the time, they’re working with stock stuff.

            And honestly, I’m not defending their right to discriminate. I think ultimately in a commercial setting, civil rights trumps bigotry, even bigotry wrapped up in the Bible.

            But even with stock items, there’s something of an art to creating a wedding cake. The couple may say they want white roses and gold interlocking rings going around the lowest level and a bunch of other stuff, but the cake designer’s the one who has to figure out how to make all that “work” together, much like an interior designer has to take suggestions like “I want dark wood, but I don’t want it to be oppressive, and I like lots of blues and greens, but not aqua…” and turn it into something the client will like.

            And yes, I realize they’re largely formulaic, but still, he’s learned how to follow those formulas and what to avoid. It’s kind of a schlocky art, but it’s still a bit of art nonetheless.

            That’s why I say I have a little – not very much – sympathy for the baker. EXCEPT that a wedding reception is not a wedding. It’s an afterparty, not integral to the wedding, So it isn’t “participating” in the wedding at all. Ergo, I think his First Amendment claim falls flat.

          • juanjo54

            I understand your point entirely. But I do not think the baker here is any different from a carpenter, upholsterer, interior decorator, or for that matter doctor or lawyer who takes basic concepts and knowledge, applies them to a specific situation and comes up with a product tailored to his client’s desires. These are skilled crafts people and subject to the same rules as anyone else.

      • David

        We ended up at a suburban jeweler, not a chain, and they were so unbelievably nice. Friendly, fun, congratulatory. A really happy surprise. And people notice our rings a lot.

    • vorpal 😼

      “Supreme Court Must Decide If Rights Of “Hissy Fit” Gays whiny Christians Supersede Rights Of Everyone Else”

      Fixed.

      • KQCA

        Vorpal, I love you.

        • vorpal 😼

          😻😽
          Thanks, KQCA!

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    • Dagoril

      Linda Harvey a few posts back wanting to boycott McDonald’s because of rainbow French fries boxes, was having a hissy fit. Gay people wanting the same treatment everyone else gets most certainly is not.

      Oh, and Starnes should consider boycotting cake, before he can no longer get through the door of his house.

  • Paula

    Fuck you, Todd. You slimy, sweaty, little weasel.

  • Jonathan Smith
  • either way this case gets decided, it’s gonna be explosive. so bring the fucking shit on, Stay Puft.
    I also want to add….I cannot wait for this creature to die. or be killed. or whatever ends its life.

    • FAEN

      I prefer he live and watch the rest of the country become gayer and gayer.

      • ETownCanuck

        I almost wish that he had a son or daughter that he could watch become gayer and gayer, but I would never want to inflict him on an innocent child.

        • FAEN

          I know right? This will probably make you chuckle but I’ve heard Pence’s children are Uber liberals. I love that.

      • BudClark

        Or get caught with his pants down in a public restroom …

  • Tomcat

    Speaking of hissy fit people, he fits the bill real well.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Ugh. All the loony Barronelle’s , Not so Sweet Melissas and Anti cake people are going to rise from the ashes again aren’t they ?

    • SammySeattle

      All six of them.

  • hdtex
    • Matt

      F! That makes him even MORE creepy!

  • Pat

    “God loving patriots” Bloatus should have thrown in the flag for a trifecta of bigot rw talking points.

  • Mike C
  • Lazycrockett

    Breaking

    CBO report 49 million uninsured by 2026.

  • David

    I’ve never known exactly where I land on this. On the one hand if you have a public business I think you have to sell to anyone who comes through the door. On the other hand, if you’re the sort of person who doesn’t want to make me a cake then do I really want to give you my dollars? And then are you going to make me a crappy cake because you’re mad? Surely there’s a another baker out there who would be excited to have my business.

    • safari

      I tend to fall on the side of custom-made items being discretionary. It might not be terribly popular, but I feel it is akin to asking an artist to violate their ethics to produce a piece.

      • The_Wretched

        Wedding cakes are not custom-made items. neither are wedding photos. nor catering nor flowers.

        • safari

          I suppose it depends on the cake.

        • David

          Good ones are =)

          • The_Wretched

            I’m still waiting for one of these religious freedom vendors to actually have superior quality goods that rank up there with art or peer recognized pinnacle value. That they haven’t even tried tells me they can’t get close.

        • David

          Full disclosure, we got married at the courthouse, a friend pulled a bottle of champaign from her purse and we all had a drink with the judge then husband and I went out for dinner. Simple, easy, done.

          • agcons

            It’s exactly what I would want if only a man would hold still long enough for me to wallop him with a rolling pin.

          • stuckinthewoods

            That’s fancier than ours was, you high rollers.

        • Mikey

          Our wedding cake was custom made.
          And our caterer supplied us with a meal that had no pork in it (we don’t eat pork, obviously) and some vegetarian choices for the couple of guests who leaned that way.
          The caterers were two straight guys running the shop, and they were super accommodating.
          My (fiancé at the time) and I decorated the hall ourselves.

          Our minister (United Church of Canada) was wonderful, although looking back we really wonder why we got married in a church since both of us are atheists. Oh well, the guests loved it, and it “felt like a wedding” being in a church and all.

          • The_Wretched

            Custom made doesn’t mean it’s not within the regular skill of someone in the industry.

          • Mikey

            I was responding to The_Wretched’s comment that “Wedding cakes are not-custom items.”

      • Galvestonian

        Not if they are open to the public. What ? We’re not part of the public all of a sudden ?

      • Lizard

        So I guess if the only bakery in town that does custom cakes in town doesn’t like gays, they’re shit out of luck.

      • Gustav2

        They show you a portfolio of what they know how to do, only the colors and size are discretionary. If you go online and see what various cake decorators offer, it is the same damn cakes. At best it is craftsmanship, not artistry.

        The number of places in the medium sized cities to the hinterlands who do the “Cake Wars” and other creative stuff you see on TV is minimal to nonexistent. And in the large cities the costs at the few places doing that kind of work is prohibitive.

      • TimCA

        If you’re running a public accommodation making “custom-made” items you shouldn’t get some sort of special dispensation (religious or otherwise) from having to follow civil law.

    • Ron Robertson

      I admit I have mixed feelings about this, too. Yet, do they follow the same “standard” for other things they have religious issues with, such as divorcees remarrying? I think there’s usually some cafeteria-style beliefs going on, along with that large dose of hypocrisy. I know I would not want to give them my money. I do think a line has to be drawn if it ends up being legal to have this sort of discrimination, for instance, in hotels, shops that don’t create anything (just sell stuff they don’t themselves make), etc., should not be able to discriminate, though I’d also not want to shop there if I found they were homophobic.

      • David

        Oh I don’t believe for a moment they’d have a problem with a straight couple on their 3rd or 4th marriage. And that just makes me want to do business with them even less.

        • grada3784

          Kimmie?

    • penpal

      What if that bakery is the only one in town? What if in addition to not being able to get a cake, you can’t rent the local event hall for the same reason? What if you experience the same problem in the next town over? How far do you need to travel and have your time wasted pursuing a simple retail transaction that is available to every other person in this country?

      • David

        Not disagreeing with you. I think being open for business means being open for business with anyone who wants to hire you. But if there are choices, I personally would want a baker, or event space, that welcomed me.

        • penpal

          I understand, but my point is that there are a lot of GLBT people living in rural areas where there is little to no choice about what services are available to a person. If those are denied, then what? You could conceivably find yourself in a low-density area where you are surrounded by businesses that won’t serve you.

          • David

            Ultimately I think you’re right.

        • narutomania

          At which point you could exercise your freedom of choice as a customer.

          If the business owner refuses service to you ,you are stripped of your right to that freedom of choice. A right, as many have pointed out, that every other American enjoys.

          So why not gay men, lesbians, bisexual and transgendered people?

        • DN

          I think the compromise is that we allow businesses to decline service to gays.

          ON CONDITION THAT they post a large sign in the front window, making it clear that gays are not welcome. The sign must be visible from outside so that nobody has to come inside to make this discovery. If the business operates a website, every page must have a banner in the top or side frame, saying “no gays allowed.”

          Aaron and Melissa Klein, the Oregon bakers, lost their business not because of the $135,000 fine (they raised over $350,000 – http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/record-breaking-358k-raised-for-sweet-cakes-bakery-for-christians-who-refused-to-make-lesbian-wedding-cake/article/2568325).

          No it wasn’t the fine that did their business in. They shuttered their brick & mortar store and started baking from their home kitchen because business dried up. Members of their community realized the shitty kind of people they are, and sort of collectively decided, “meh – I’ll take a pass on giving those bigots my money.”

          We’re at the point now (in most of the country) that putting up this kind of sign will lose you more friends than you will win, so have at it, bigots!

          • No, the sign should read ONLY THOSE “WHO ARE WITHOUT SIN MAY ENTER THIS ESTABLISHMENT”

            Why should they exclude only LGBT? What about divorced and getting remarried – the bible says married until death. What about atheists getting a wedding cake? And maybe they don’t like Catholics or Mormons…

          • DN

            Touche 🙂

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I’m a straight ally and won’t turn over a dime to those who discriminate. Have and enjoy your religion at home and in your church, but keep it out of the public square.

    • Geoffrey Snyder

      If these businesses were willing to advertise their sincerely held beliefs so one could know up front, then maybe I would consider giving them a pass – but they want to have their beliefs and only pull them out when needed.

      • penpal

        Exactly. The least they could do is post a “we don’t serve homosexuals” on their storefront and media pages so the entire world knows where they stand, and they don’t waste my time pursuing a fruitless cause.

      • David

        YES. I’d like all businesses with “sincerely held religious beliefs” to have something in the front window so we all know what were dealing with.

        • djcoastermark

          Something like, Oh I dunno, the mid 1900’s, “no Coloreds Allowed ? Is that what you mean ? edit/add, It would be a great idea if a bigoted business had to post a sign in very large letters as to that and see how long they last. On second thought, in some areas they would get a hero’s welcome. It’s a no win.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            It’s a win as there are more straight allies than you imagine. I would pass that business by and not even buy a .50 cent cookie.

      • DN

        aw crap – I didn’t read all the replies and you beat me to it – sorry 🙂

    • FAEN

      If you’re a business you serve everyone. Being able to pick and choose based on ‘religious freedom’ is simply another version of Jim Crow IMHO.

      • Nick in Pasadena

        Exactly. One day a baker refuses to make a cake for a gay customer, the next day a grocer refuses to sell food, and then a doctor refuses to provide treatment. That might sound far-fetched, but it’s the same principle at work. You can deny services to customers for being disruptive or difficult to work with, but you can’t deny services to customers based on who they are.

    • SFBruce

      On a strictly personal level, I agree with you. I wouldn’t want a cake from a baker who saw me as a second class citizen, or worse, but I live in San Francisco, so I know I’d have no trouble finding a gay friendly seller for pretty much anything I want to buy. But not everyone lives in San Francisco or some other area with high gay visibility.

      Conservatives are always telling us this is a matter for the legislature, and not the courts, and in this case, as with all similar cases I’m aware of, Colorado saw fit to enact a law forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation, and this baker decided to ignore that law. As far as I’m concerned the notion that baking a cake is some sort of church sacrament and therefore is license for him to ignore this particular law is nonsense. He broke it and should face the consequences.

    • Bad Tom

      This is what black motorists had to deal with decades ago.
      Some towns made it against the law for them to be in town limits after dark.
      Seriously, they did. That’s where that crap ends.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/22b93383f47125d3a910795093aa745e42d8d93defdb3d9f2ee4c0f9bd9849db.jpg

    • stvnc44

      Absolutely agree, get a gay baker! Such a fabulous cake will ensue!

    • Phil in Colorado

      I agree with you that as a consumer, you’ll want to go where you are appreciated. But overall, these public accommodation laws need to be there and enforced so LGBTs or any other groups that are under these laws don’t have to worry about whether every single business they enter are going to flat out refuse them service. Nobody should go through that, especially at what should be one of the happiest times of their lives….

  • Michael

    Now that we have the tables turning on us we should pick and choose our battles. If someone, IMO, doesn’t want to bake us a cake then go somewhere else. Sure, it’s wrong but we really need to be wise and a cake is not worth it.

    • Kruhn

      My dear Michael, then I’ll start rejecting Republicans in my car. Fair is fair, no?

    • FAEN

      What happens if you live in small town as my partner did growing up where there was one bakery, one general store? Should he have had to drive 90 minutes to another bakery, another store? IMHO you give these bigots an inch and they will take EVERYTHING!

    • j.martindale

      just no.

    • The_Wretched

      Having to call ahead to do regular business means you’re a second class citizen. Just ask Jimmy Crowe.

  • FAEN

    Breaking News-CBO estimates 22 MILLION will lose healthcare under Trumpcare.

    • The_Wretched

      Only 22? I wonder what the assumptions are.

    • j.martindale

      Wasn’t it 21 for the House version? They keep going this way, they might kill us all!

      • FAEN

        I think that’s the plan.

      • Todd20036

        Only if you are poor and/or lose your health insurance due to a change of jobs or a pre-existing condition.

        Other than that, you are fine.

  • BearEyes

    More like hissy fit xtianists demanding their fairy tales overrule my constitutional civil rights.

  • Michael

    btw, it’s ironic this fat f*ck of a closet case is pitching a hissy fit bitching about men who actually have balls to admit to being queer.

    • FAEN

      Normally I’m all breaking down those closet doors but in this case I would prefer he stayed in!

      • Furface

        Penny the door, just to make sure.

  • Lindoro Almaviva

    Other “hissy fit” issues that were decided against the majority:

    Slavery
    Interracial marriage
    Women’s suffrage
    Prohibition
    Abortion
    Sex discrimination
    The right of women to have divorces

    should i continue????

    • Wynter Marie Starr

      THIS! This spells it all out. I wish I could up vote you a thousand times.

  • Kruhn

    Hissy fit, Toddette, el coño de tu madre, cabrón.

    Sorry but only Spanish can get my outrage through. Can you not get it through your thick head that this is a public accommodations issue, you moron. He can honestly believe queers are going to hell, but you bake them the God damned cake, the same way I’ve had to transport some foul, racist Republicans in my car as an Uber driver and keeping my composure while they insulted my ethnicity!

    Dumbass

    • edrex

      i love the word “cono.” my mother-in-law taught it to me.

  • penpal

    They provide cakes for every sort of vile sinner out there but not for a gay couple. They can’t even be consistent.

  • j.martindale

    https://mutantpoodle.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/screen-shot-2010-02-01-at-11-46-18-am.png

    That is exactly what the southern bigots said to excuse their discrimination against Blacks.

  • Matt

    I would not want to leave children within 100 feet of that guy, even children I didn’t like. Creeee-peeee.

  • Jerry Hinnant

    Personally I would never want to give these bigoted asshats a penny of my money to begin with. Their are way to many “family” members in the business to have to bother with these cake Nazis!

    • Todd20036

      Except a) you don’t that until they start pulling their god peckers.

      b) what if that’s the only store in town

      c) what if they already took your deposit?

      d) when did we start accommodating bullies?

  • kiltedyak

    Oh those poor “victims”

  • Jonathan Smith

    i get to insult AND add beefcake in the same post.

  • JustDucky

    Legal: We don’t serve that kind here.

    Illegal: We don’t serve your kind here.

  • Jon Doh

    Todd is an expert in hissy fits.

  • MikeBx2

    Starnes in 1960; We offered a separate lunch counter for those black people, but they had to pitch a hissy fit.

    • Nick in Pasadena

      Except he certainly wouldn’t have called them ‘black people’ (probably still doesn’t).

  • Luther Kreiger

    Yeah, they may one day come for your business and ask to give you money in exchange for your advertised goods and/or services like any other people. The horror, the horror…

  • Galvestonian

    HISSY-FIT ????? You F–king asshole piece of white-trash garbage. How dare you, ‘mo-fo’ bigot & combo sphincter-maggot turd blossom. HISSY -FIT !!!!!! You challenge our Constitutional Rights and dare to consider yourselves God-loving patriots. Your very words denounce you as unpatriotic and against the very laws of God.

  • Professor Barnhardt

    Breaking news from North Korea, with probably no degradation in accuracy:

    US supreme court to determine whether US peoples have right to be made gay by cake.

    https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/879403992903819264

  • Alpha 50327

    Pederast. You can’t look like that and not be a pederast.

    • Todd20036

      It’s not as if people his age would even be remotely interested in him anyway

  • bambinoitaliano
    • safari

      An alternate title is “Mitch kicks 15M off health insurance in 2018”

    • stuckinthewoods

      I love that far too much.

  • Pohaku

    They need to be very careful of the can of worms they will open. As a Pantheist and and someone who owns apartment buildings, I look forward to telling people their breeding is a lifestyle choice and is is a violation of my religious belief that 7.2 billion people are too many for the planet to handle and extra people delete my god;s energy sources. Ditto for school taxes. My religion doesn’t believe in the “be fruitful and multiply” line, just the opposite actually, so I should not have to pay educate someone else’s zygote that was a product of a couple getting their jollies and at least one having an orgasm. If you make the baby, you should pay the full cost to educate it. If my gay money isn’t good enough for a baker, it’s not good enough to educate a kid for 18 years either.

  • 2patricius2

    By all means, Toddy boy. Believers in some mythical things and bigots should be able to deny rights to whomever they want…… NOT!

  • acde

    Every time I see a picture of this sack of shit, my gaydar [very painfully] boings off the scale. Can’t we unearth a rent-boy scandal of him already and get rid of him?

  • Jamie_Johnson

    Since when has the baker, florist, or caterer been a required or even wanted participant in two individuals’ marriage? Did they start printing “Cakes by Jack and Flowers by Lorraine cordially invite you to the wedding of John Smith and Mary Jones” without me noticing?

    These snowflakes just don’t seem to get that we’re all (supposed to be) equal in the eyes of the law. A cake baker can refuse to make a cake for cause that they disagree with, so long as the refuse to make that cake for everyone who walks through their front door, but if they make a wedding cake for one couple, and they want to do this as a business, then they are required to make wedding cakes for anyone who walks through that door regardless of the gender of the purchasers.

    • coram nobis

      I suppose the two little Thomas E. Dewey figures on the top of the cake might have tipped him off.

  • Cuberly

    Let me guess, “hissy-fit” is a homophobic slam, right?

    …the guy makes his living in perpetual hissy.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba40a5e90b8b16f7d6dbfb2aa734eec20807a689b89cbd35cfc1e338c1518e87.png

  • DisqusD37

    You are a wretched creature, Todd. You will die one day and the earth can start to heal from the damage you’ve chosen to inflict.

  • Rocco

    Ugly little man…won’t come to a good end.

  • JT

    You need more of your favorite refreshment.
    https://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/starnes.jpg

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Just curious – where did the Todd Starnes pee-drinking meme come from? Was there an original story that started that?

  • geoffalnutt

    I’m so confused! First we’re nelly queens, then jack-booted thugs, then “hissy-fit-gays”, then swarthy, long-haired denizens of the docks, then limp-wristed perverts!
    I just don’t know what to wear!!!!

    • djcoastermark

      Just something fabulous, in layers so if there’s too much on, just peel off a layer and reveal something more fab. If all else fails, I found nice fitting jeans and a clean Tee work for most situations.

      • Silver Badger

        Now you tell us. Do you know how hard it was to find the right lace for my jackboots?

        • djcoastermark

          Just find the right Bootblack. He (or she) will never steer you wrong.

          • Silver Badger

            Wise words. Thank you.

    • CharlestonDave

      Just a jockstrap,

      • BudClark

        I like your style!

    • BudClark

      Levis and a t-shirt, just like I have for seventy years … and a cassock and surplice on Sunday (grin).

  • Michael R
  • FormerMainer

    Like most things, there is a balance that must be made between the rights and freedom of the customers and the rights and freedom of the business owner.

    Customer: Right to obtain service from a public establishment.

    Business Owner: Right to provide service to whom she desires in a manner consistent with her beliefs.

    How this is balanced depends upon the situation:

    – In some instances, a business owner must make her services available to all-comers and not deny service based upon certain characteristics of the customer (e.g. religion, race).

    – In some instances, a business owner may (or even must) deny service to customers based upon certain characteristics (e.g. age, height, behavior).

    – In other instances, a business owner may deny a particular service if there is a generally applicable reason for the denial (e.g. hire a photographer and demand that the photographer take your photos at 2am).

    In this instance, I appreciate the desire of the business owner to have the freedom to NOT do something he does not want to do. We all want that and none of us want to feel like we are being compelled to act against our will. On the other hand, no one wants to sit a in a restaurant and be thrown out based upon skin color or other characteristic.

    One right must give, and a business owner should be able to deny services for only generally applicable reasons that apply to all customers.

    • -M-

      Yes. And if they don’t want to sell cakes to anyone who walks if the door they need to reorganize as something other than a business that’s open to the public.

  • Eli Bradley

    So, since Amazon bought Whole Foods, I’m sure that should I ever get married, I can get a nice wedding cake (and get it in two days with my Prime account), so what will Todd Starnes ever do when -that- happens?

  • Richard B

    It is pretty clear, the constitution says we have a separation between church law and state law in the United States. Go drive to the Jefferson Memorial and read the writing on the walls there to gain clarity where Thomas Jefferson’s head was on this issue.
    The one thing it doesn’t say is church law supersedes state law and that church law can be used to marginalize and discriminate against any class of US citizen.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    OT – This has to be the funniest tweet of the day.

    https://twitter.com/petridishes/status/879164790639390720

    • TimCA

      LOL!!

    • coram nobis

      Well, of course, especially under oath.

    • KnownDonorDad

      HIYOOOOOO

  • HeyYouKidsGetOffMyLawn

    That gelatinous jigglypuff is the ONLY one having a hissy fit.

  • DN

    First the blacks came for your lunch counters, then your water fountains, then your bus seats. And unless we draw a line in the sand, they may one day come for you and your business.

  • MassageBear
  • Ninja0980

    Fuck off, you Bunsen Honeydew reject.

  • Rob Spangler

    This case is not about a fricking sheet cake! The case is about a business being able to discriminate against a minority group for any goods, services, public hotels, housing, medical care, and employment based on one’s “chosen” beliefs. This is exactly the Woolworth lunch counter issue. Slap down hard by the Supremes is coming!

    • It should be coming, but the reight wing illegally put one of their own on the bench because of the black man in the whitey house. Not so certain as it should be.

    • Phil in Colorado

      Exactly! I seen the comments on other sites about this issue and no one there even seems to know that laws of public accommodation exist. It’s like they have just forgotten history. (Or more likely, have chosen to forget history…. 🙁 )

  • greenman47

    This is not a religious nor is it an artistic one. It’s a commercial exchange in which legal tender equalizes all participants.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Talk about having a hissy fit.

    Again Todd, I post this for you to ponder…..

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8ee301ab590a19215028528bf971de7a5578e0f3a477c834046270f10898debc.jpg

    • Nowhereman

      Yes, Yes it does, for the purposes of their argument.

  • JWC

    I think Hissy fits fits the baker more than anyone and just because the supreme court has decided to hear it does not mean they have won the case

  • -M-

    No Todd, you lying scum. Bakers are not participating in a wedding by selling people a cake. And the case is about whether your ‘But I’m a Christian!’ hissy fits exempt you from following the law and respecting other people’s religious liberty the same way they have respect yours even when they think you’re going to hell for being a bigot or for blaming your prejudices on ‘God’.

  • Helen Damnation 🍑™

    As a former caterer, I can testify that baking a fucking cake is NOT participating in someone’s wedding, no matter how “artistic” the damn cake is. Catering the reception might be considered as “participating”, but really now, do you really want hateful, right-wing evangelicals amongst your friends and family celebrating one of the biggest days of your life?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a27a944d1e6e0452bce2d4bc2f955f785d0795d048d821180616340348cc6481.jpg

  • Karl Dubhe

    Todd’s upset that he’s not getting offered any wedding cake. Look at the man, he’s wasting away from a terrible lack of lovely wedding cake.

    Send him an invite, maybe that’ll unplug his ass.

    /s

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    “Mr. Phillips politely declined – explaining to the gentlemen that he would make them any other type of baked item they wanted”

    I’d like cupcakes with penises on them please.

    Seriously, if all the homos at the wedding are eating this baker’s cupcakes and cream puffs while chatting over cosmos how they want do destroy straight marriages, that doesn’t violate his faith, but cake does?

  • Lee Grupsmith-Pedersen

    Unless we draw a line in the sand, one day they may come for our lives.

    • TimCA

      “may come for our lives”

      That’s their long-term plan.

  • Silver Badger

    I’ve been around the block a few times. I’ve been out and proud most of my adult life. I look good in jack boots. I’ve worked a few docks and can throw a limp wrist if I have to. But, I am ashamed to admit, I don’t know how to hissy. Is there a manual or an instructional video I can buy?

  • Richard Rush

    Imagine the Christian response if the question were . . . “Should a Christian atheist baker who opposes gay marriage Christian baptism on religious rational grounds be forced to participate in a gay wedding Christian baptism celebration? . . . The issue: can the government coerce a person to create artistic expression that communicates a message with which he fundamentally disagrees?”

  • Said the poster child of “hissy fits”.

  • Rick Hammond

    Every time I see Todd Starnes my gaydar goes off. You just know he sucks cock.

    • Silver Badger

      No. He just wants to. I don’t think he is man enough to actually do it.

  • Nowhereman

    Selling a cake is not participating in a wedding. And demanding to be treated equally under the law and to be free of religious hatred in the public sphere is a civil rights issue, not a hissy fit.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    When and if a baker or other business turn away a divorced person or a woman that has children out of wedlock, then maybe I’d consider them christians. Until that event happens, sell the fucking cake to whomever comes through your doors and has the money to pay for it.

  • Alan Uphold

    Perhaps the most repulsive and repugnant thing about this story is the commentator’s perversion of Rev. Martin Niemoller’s famous quote decrying the treatment of minority groups in Nazi Germany (“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist…”).
    Christians cannot on one hand claim that the United States is a majority Christian nation–founded on Christian principles and ruled by Christian leaders–and then on the other hand claim that the rights of Christians are in need of protection because they are under threat from their fellow LGBTQ citizens throwing “hissy fits.”
    One of the bedrocks of democratic societies throughout world history has been that the rights of minorities need protection from the tyranny of the majority–not the other way around.

  • Mark

    It’s fucking equal rights ass hole. Nothing more and nothing less.

  • juanjo54

    If Fox had been around in 1960.

    Today Cleavis Jones and Rufus Smith attempted to enter Woolworths and sit at the lunch counter despite the sign which politely states “White Trade ONLY”. Mr Arnold “Bubba” Sessions-Smith III, manager of the Woolworths approached the two picaninnies and informed them that the store was unable to accommodate colored folk as god had decreed that the races not be mixed. He suggested they go to the colored part of town and eat at Miz Pearls Chitlin House. Cleavis & Rufus threw a hissy fit and demanded to be served and refused to leave until they had been served chicken salad sandwiches and no doubt watermelon for dessert. Fortunately some stalwart members of the KKK were on and and removed the uppity boys to the alley where they were taught a lesson in manners they will not soon forget. That is if they every awaken from the comas they currently are in.

  • juanjo54

    Way back in the Stoned Age when I was in college, I worked for a Lutheran minister who owned a business near the school. We were about an hour or so out of Chicago. He had a “Jewish style” deli and restaurant with a beer garden in the rear of the building. He also ran a very profitable catering and baking business out of the same building which his wife operated. She was a professionally trained baker and specialized in desserts, including wedding cakes.

    Chuck was quite a character who would become irate if you took the name of god in vain but pretty much used every other swear word known to humanity frequently and with great gusto. But unlike a lot of people he was completely free of issues when it came to race, skin color, ethnicity, national origin, gender, sexual orientation or religion. The gay club at the university was going to hold a prom for all the gay kids who had never been able to attend prom when they were in high school and it had been promoted, resulting in some media coverage which stirred up the neanderthals at the local Calvary Baptist Chapel. Chuck was catering the event with a buffet table, cash bar and dessert table. He was planning on cleaning up. He received a delegation of the local ministers who were confused about his willingness to do business with perverts. Chuck looked at them and said, “their money is as green as anyone else’s and I don’t plan on sleeping with anyone there but my wife. I know of no passage in the Bible which says I cannot sell to gays people any more than any other type of sinner. And doesn’t the book say we are all sinners. ” The ministers left and Chuck catered the event.

    • CharlestonDave

      Great story, Juan!

  • TheManicMechanic

    Starnes is begging for a pissy fit now.

  • JCF

    Todd Starnes, accusing ANYONE else of a hissy fit!

    https://media.giphy.com/media/fjw8FTSX3RuyA/giphy.gif

  • KnownDonorDad

    I was surprised when nationwide marriage equality came before passage of ENDA at the federal level, but maybe it was a differential in how many people were affected, and thus how high the stakes and effort would be on the pro-equality side. Attaining a fundamental civil legal contract vs. pushing back against a small cadre of cake martyrs and despicable employers who are openly anti-gay and are in a position to not to be socially shunned for it. So yes, it’s a “hissy fit,” but from the anti-gay side.

    • licuado de platano

      I like the legal interpretation that Title IX already covers sexual orientation and gender identity.

      • KnownDonorDad

        Oh! Can you imagine if the current cake martyr case ended up making that a reality?

  • Jerry Kott

    This Clown is running on empty. He is using the word ‘Hissy” to butch up his illusion of masculinity/ tough guy which is laughable. He is using the days of old insult that Gays are unstable and easy rattled when confronted-try again.
    He thinks about homosexuality more than I do.

  • CharlestonDave

    Todd looks and sounds like a pissy overweight queen in a poofy sweater who’s sitting at the bar enjoying several too many martinis and giving everyone a piece of his mind.

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  • saucetin

    If your business operates in the public realm and not just in Klan meetings, expect to follow the law as it is in 2017, not 1817.

  • TheSeer

    No, this case is about whether “rights”of hissy fit Christians supersede rights of everybody else.

  • Gates Ortt

    Religious beliefs should be viewed as equal to any other beliefs, it’s called separation of church and state.

  • Mb

    Toad Starnes has made a career out of throwing hissy fits.

  • Sean

    So if a gay baker refused to bake a cake for a heterosexual Christian couple’s wedding would Jim Crow lover Todd Stupid be saying the same thing? Can the anti-gay baker’s suppliers refuse to sell their sugar, milk, flour, produce etc. to him if they support marriage for gay couples & his bigotry doesn’t fall in line with their values? Oh right I forgot that it is already illegal to refuse service to people based on their religious belief or affiliation.

    Can a KKK baker refuse to bake a cake for an interracial couple (whose marriage was illegal citing religious freedom as one of the reasons why it was illegal, before the Supreme Court struck the ban down as unconstitutional) or a black/hispanic couple? No, because it is ILLEGAL to refuse service to people based on the color of their skin. Can a Jewish, Muslim, or Pagan baker refuse to bake a cake for a Christian couple? No because it is illegal to refuse service to people based on their religious belief or affiliation.

    If you want to legalize discrimination against a gay couple, then under the equal protection clause of the United States Constitution discrimination against Christians needs to be legalized as well. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/08ad1e997f3df3690ce1da5f9827798975b1dc48ba4e84cdf0fd78451d392aa9.jpg

  • MisterShoebox

    Right, so – THIS asshole isn’t throwing a “Hissy Fit” at all, is he? What’s this…a Mantrum? A Straight-fit? Something? Something that isn’t a hissy fit?