BREAKING: Federal Appeals Court Gives Go-Ahead To Mississippi Law Legalizing Anti-LGBT Discrimination

The Associated Press reports:

A federal appeals court says Mississippi can start enforcing a law that will let merchants and government employees cite religious beliefs to deny services to same-sex couples. The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Thursday reversed a judge’s decision that had blocked the law before it could take effect last July.

U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves had ruled that the law unconstitutionally establishes preferred beliefs and creates unequal treatment for LGBT people. Republican Gov. Phil Bryant and other supporters say the law protects beliefs that marriage can be between only a man and a woman, and that a person’s gender is determined at birth and cannot be changed.

Via press release from Lambda Legal:

Today, the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the injunction against Mississippi House Bill 1523, the discriminatory anti-LGBT legislation challenged in Barber v. Bryant, the federal lawsuit brought by Mississippi civil rights attorney Robert McDuff, the Mississippi Center for Justice and Lambda Legal.  The advocates will continue to fight this discriminatory law.

Overruling the lower court decision, a three-judge panel of the Fifth Circuit denied that LGBT Mississippians are subject to imminent discrimination by HB 1523 and ordered the block to the law lifted because the plaintiffs—a group of ministers, LGBT residents, community leaders and activists—lack standing since they cannot claim a specific harm caused by the law that has yet to go into effect.

“We had to put guards in front of our church after the bill initially passed because there was a truck with a swastika parked across the street and just this week the Christian Knights of the KKK distributed flyers throughout the Hattiesburg area. Today’s ruling leaves us more exposed, so we will have to be more vigilant than ever before to protect our church, our families and our dignity,” said Brandiilyne Mangum-Dear, Barber plaintiff.

Led by Texas AG Ken Paxton, nine states had filed a brief in support of Mississippi’s law.

  • Jonathan Smith
  • Rex

    And so it begins.

    • Macbill

      The pendulum swings the other way.

      • Jonathan Smith

        eventually, and how much damage will it do before then?

    • Cattleya1

      Are you Kosh?

  • Nathan Broussard

    So do gay folks in Mississippi get to pay 1/2 the taxes since they are not full citizens of this country?

    • Chucktech

      No, I’ll bet it doesn’t work that way…

    • Strepsi

      I believe the traditional Mississipi measurement is 3/5th.

      • Steverino

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    • zhera

      More like double, to make up for the lack citizen status…

    • Boreal

      Nope, their taxes will go to help the state defend bigots in court.

      • Schlukitz

        Sad but true. 🙁

    • kcken

      I’d be packing to move. FUCK. THIS. SHIT.

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      Asking for a friend? 😉

    • andrew

      Actually the State of Mississippi, like quite a few Red Sates is a ward of the Federal Government. They collect way more in benefits from the Federal Government than they pay in taxes. Their idea of States Rights doesn’t include paying their own way but being leeches off the more prosperous Blue States. Funny ain’t it.

    • JWC

      then gay people should get a massive reduction in taxes for services denied

  • Paula

    If they bring it to Texas, I will buy No Gays Allowed stickers and put them on any business that discriminates.

  • Will Parkinson

    That’s right. You need to wait to be discriminated against by a law specifically designed to do that before you can say you’re going to be affected by it.

    The stupid. It burns.

  • FAEN

    See you in court motherfuckers!

    • Buford

      No surprise – the 5th circuit is a shithole:

      “Fifth Circuit (Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas): The Fifth Circuit isn’t just a very conservative court — 10 of its 15 active judges are Republican appointees — it also includes some of the most unapologetic and ideological conservative judges in the country. Five Fifth Circuit judges joined an opinion saying that a man could be executed even though hislawyer slept through much of his trial. The court once sanctioned a high school cheerleader after she sued the school that told her to cheer for her alleged rapist. Its former chief judge is currently under investigation for allegedly claiming that African Americans and Hispanics are predisposed to violent crime. Supporters of marriage equality should expect to lose in the Fifth Circuit.”

      https://thinkprogress.org/brace-yourselves-marriage-equalitys-going-to-have-a-rougher-ride-in-the-courts-from-here-on-out-a844ab1ae073

      • zhera

        They seem nice…

      • The_Wretched

        Rank and file attorneys see the 5th as religi-loony activists. Even though Law tends to be a conservative field, lawyers hate adhoc and back filled outcome driven decisions. They are next to impossible to apply in future cases as a matter of how rules work. Instead, you have to make political guesses. It’s fundamentally lawless.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok
      • FAEN

        We’re so fucked if that happens.

  • Buford

    Once again, let’s get this straight… if your choice to join a religion conflicts with your other choice of how you want to earn a living, then you are the only one who needs to work to reconcile that conflict… it’s not our problem.

    Don’t expect us to make unreasonable accommodations simply because your life is ‘hard’ due to your flawed, incompatible life choices.

  • Needs to go to SCOTUS then. Because really, why then cannot people cite their religious beliefs to deny services — both commercial and governmental — to anyone they object to?

    “Sorry, we don’t issue marriage licenses to mixed race couples.”

    “Sorry, but we don’t process any TANF requests from Muslims.”

    “No, it’s my belief women shouldn’t be allowed to rent hotel rooms alone.”

    “My religion says I don’t have to employ anybody over the age of 50.”

    • Vista-Cruiser

      Don’t look to the SCOTUS for help. The current one is likely to uphold this decision…

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    So if the Congressional shooting had happened in Mississippi, the Governor would want the wounded female officer who saved Scalise’s and many other lives to be legally permitted to die, if the medical personnel felt like refusing medical care? Good to know.

    • Rex

      If that’s the case, she should refuse to defend them.

      • djcoastermark

        And that’s the difference between us, the LGBT family and the religgie nuts. We see humans and protect lives, as all have worth, the others , just see themselves and what will benefit them and them only.

        • netxtown

          And therein is the problem. We keep treating them like they’re humans.

          • CottonBlimp

            And as much as it makes a feel-good story, being saved by a black lesbian isn’t going to change any bigots opinion. They are awful people who will commit as much abject cruelty they can get away with, and by continually trying to be the better people, all we do is enable them.

    • Chucktech

      That, apparently, is part of the Good Lord’s plan…

    • Ninja0980

      Yes.

  • another_steve

    This is why the evangelical theofascist monsters held their noses and supported for President a sexual predator who boasted about grabbing pussy.

    This is why.

    • Chucktech

      an he awlso aint a womman or a colord guy LOL ha ha

    • Rex

      The South Shall Discriminate Again!

      • Hank

        Again??? Hell, they have NEVER stopped discriminating!!!

  • oh, just fucking great. you know what? pass that fucking health care turd, pass every fucking law you can think of to deny anyone for anything, pass the congress open carry bullshit, pass EVERY FUCKING THING. Burn this bitch to the ground. Or let’s have a civil war (again) and end this right the fuck now.

    • ChrisInKansas

      I think it’s going to come to that. I refuse to turn the clock back, and millions of others are even more adamant about that than me.

    • djcoastermark

      A year ago, I would have said you’re crazy. Six moths ago, I would have said, that’s a little extreme. Today, I say, I am ready and willing to jump on this wagon. This shit has got to stop somewhere, somehow, any way possible. I am ready !

    • Buford

      Before we start forming militias, I’ll wait to see how the free market handles this… I’d expect some businesses to change their tune once the organized free market decides to take their business elsewhere, and/or to fight fire with fire by refusing services to religious assholes who discriminate. This could get interesting!

      • djcoastermark

        Hard to take one’s business elsewhere when there is nowhere else to go in a country that is rapidly rushing to condone this sort of shit.

        • Buford

          Agree… that’s problematic. If you live in a one-horse town occupied mostly by bigots, you’re gonna have a hard time.

        • Steven Jaeger

          That’s why I continue to reside in the COUNTRY of CALIFORNIA. Yeah, it’s the land of fruits and nuts, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. I won’t go to those states that think it is good to use religion / or deeply held “belief” to bludgeon other citizens.

          • BudClark

            ++++++++++ 10 !

      • melllt

        This is Mississippi, not San Francisco. Plenty of people that would applaud this kind of discrimination, and go out of their way to support the bigots.

        • melllt

          Mississippi ranks at the bottom of just about everything: education, income, healthcare and at the top for discrimination and assholery.
          I doubt you’ll find many people flying a gay flag in front of their homes.

          • Todd20036

            And those who would probably don’t live in Mississippi

          • BudClark

            But they bury more babies than any other State.

        • Buford

          Agree, but if you are LGBT ( or black, or Asian, or Muslim) and you live in a rural area of Mississippi where where people applaud being able to discriminate, your life is gonna be tough regardless of whether this law ultimately stands or falls.

      • Religion is covered, gays not so much.

      • swimboy

        There’s nothing to boycott in Mississippi. Literally. Take a look at this list ( http://business.msstate.edu/programs/ib/resources/ms/index.php ) and tell me what economic impact a boycott would have. MS is already a toilet as far as economic activity is concerned, it would be difficult to make it even worse.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Then we withhold rain from now on !

        • Buford

          Not sure what your point was supposed to be…? It sounds to me like Mississippi is a backwards place occupied largely by ignorant racists and bigots, which therefore suggests that any minorities who live there can expect that their rights will be tested or violated regularly, regardless of what the laws say or how the SCOTUS rules.

          • swimboy

            I was reacting your your statement “I’ll wait to see how the free market handles this…” inferring that people offended by this law (as the one in NC) would boycott. I was pointing out that there is so little economic activity in MS that there is literally nothing to boycott that would have any significant negative effect.

          • Buford

            Right… but if there’s no discriminatory economic activity to boycott, that means there’s also no discriminatory economic activity to cause harm to people… so no problem.

          • BudClark

            “Because Mississippi’s land mass is largely rural, these farms collectively span 11 million acres. The most produced crops in the state are cotton, soybeans and rice. 2. Another leading industry in Mississippi is manufacturing, the top revenue-generating sector of the state’s economy.Apr 11, 2015”

      • Vista-Cruiser

        Unfortunately, big corporations are moving production TO states like Mississippi, due to the low wages and lack of labor unions.

        • Buford

          People who oppose discrimination should boycott products produced by those ‘big corporations’ then. The financial pressure worked on South Carolina and Indiana.

    • j.martindale

      I am a pacifist at heart. But I know where the rage that shooter had in DC was coming from. The hate, discrimination, prejudice and injustice that permeates our country now is going to provoke much more violence before this is through. And it is coming from one side and one side only. The republican party and its members are a corrupt, self-serving, greedy, unprincipled, sanctimonious group of SOBs. They are destroying America.

      • Blake Jordan

        Not that he was right in taking it as far as he did, shooting people… but at least he targeted the correct people.

        It is the 1% and their rethuglican political puppets to blame for so much pain!!!

    • netxtown

      You can count me in,

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      And if this happens we wont have to wait too long :

      https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/877964123530608641

      • I forsee a huge huge backlash if that is overturned.

    • Cattleya1

      The problem is they are armed to the teeth. And who is to say they are not planning their own version of Krystallnacht?

  • Emmigration is looking better and better every day…

    • Vista-Cruiser

      You’d better be young and have demonstrable coding skills. Otherwise, most countries won’t let you in.

  • PickyPecker

    Businesses need to get on board with putting the right sign/sticker up in their storefronts for everyone to see.
    https://d28fo5khwixgu6.cloudfront.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/6a00d8341c730253ef01a3fced7d87970b-800wi.jpg

    • Ham
    • KQCA

      PickyP, I love you.

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      Per Salon: “… a new poll conducted by Public Religion Research Institute revealed that every major religious group in the U.S. is against businesses discriminating against gay and lesbian people based on religion…

      “For the first time in a PRRI poll of this size, no major religious group reports majority support for religiously based service refusals of gay
      and lesbian Americans,” Robert P. Jones, PRRI CEO, said in a press
      release. “And most religious groups today support same-sex marriage. The religious groups in which majorities oppose same-sex marriage make up less than 20 percent of the public.

      More than 60 percent of Americans taking the survey indicated that they opposed the idea of small business owners in their state refusing to provide products or services to gay and lesbian people — even if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.

      Only 50 percent of white evangelical Protestants and fewer than half of
      Mormons (42 percent), Hispanic Protestants (34 percent), black Protestants (25 percent), and Jehovah’s Witnesses (25 percent) believe
      that small business owners should have the right to refuse services to
      gay and lesbian people…”

      • Nowhereman

        Exactly. I’m a life long atheist. Could I refuse to wait on christians if I felt like it?

        • Amanda B. Rekendwith

          I’d wait on them in a foreign language. That REALLY gets their goat.

      • Steverino

        I have posted this idea before, but anti-LGBT discrimination on “religious” grounds is a form of religious discrimination (and thus forbidden by the First Amendment), not because being LGBT is a religion, but because the nature of the discrimination has the same foundation as religious discrimination: that the person or group being discriminated against does not comport to the religion of the discriminator, and thus is being harmed (publicly humiliated and shunned) because of it. Not only that, but it violates the First Amendment by making anti-LGBT religions privileged over other inclusive religions, as well as the religious beliefs (or lack thereof) of the people being discriminated against.

        The whole concept of anti-discrimination legislation, with its laundry list of people not to be discriminated against needs to be reworked, as it implies that some discrimination (against certain people or groups) is just fine. It is not. ALL legalized forms of discrimination in public need to be ruled unconstitutional, period.

        • Skokieguy [Larry]

          I think that’s a brilliant strategy and not sure why it is not used when fighting these cases in court.

          It reminds me that even without ENDA, some courts are finding that LGBT discrimination is sex discrimination , which is already illegal.

      • Vista-Cruiser

        Problem is that the white evangelical Protestants are the ones who vote in elections. Other religious groups, not so much.

      • Amanda B. Rekendwith

        Skokieguy I have no idea how you are so on top of so much, but I thank your generosity in posting these links for the rest of us. Always a meaningful contribution, imho. Many thanks.

        • Skokieguy [Larry]

          Thank you, you’re very kind. Just read a lot and like to share with the JMG community. Glad you found it interesting.

  • Timothy W.

    Oddly enough, I was just listening to “Mississippi Goddam.” on the train. So yeah, Mississippi God damn

  • Michael R

    What they found when they passed gay marriage is that a gay citizen of the United States is a citizen of the United States entitled to the rights a citizen of the United States has . The Constitution was not altered. I wouldn’t think states ruling on this could legally stand .

    • Jonathan Smith

      but they will fight you to the death to prove otherwise

    • The_Wretched

      The law is whatever the rightwing judges on the courts tell you it is. Were we in a normal legal environment, you’d be right and this 3 judge panel wouldn’t have ruled that this case gets bounced for standing.

      • another_steve

        I’m sensing the panel didn’t want to block the law absent evidence that it will result in actual harm. That it permits discrimination isn’t/wasn’t sufficient for them. They’ll need to see actual harm.

        Not a lawyer here. Only a guess.

        • The_Wretched

          That’s the line they are using. Keep in mind that it’s one line of about 50 that they could have used and most of the lines would have come out the other way.

          Also, the ‘actual harm’ just needs to be a single pepper corn more than citizen standing. These plaintiffs had actual harm enough for the district court.

          Further, this court knows well that the plaintiffs need only wait for the first instance of ‘as applied’ harm and they’ll be back in court to try again – and have to pay $50,000 – $150,000 to get right back to the same place they were booted from and on essentially the same situation.

  • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

    Wait until this case makes it’s way to the Supreme Court. Oh. Wait. It’s Trump’s court now. Never mind, “Bernie or Busters”. Nothing to see here.

  • Rex

    So, LGBT businesses can refuse service to religious bigots? Or is that persecution?

    • Jonathan Smith

      thats persecution you bigot.

      • Gustav2

        Since being an atheist, gay and science is considered a religion by Fundamentalists….

    • clay

      No, they specifically wrote the bill to narrowly protect religious prejudices against homosexuals and transsexuals. It doesn’t even protect “Christian” businesses that want to discriminate against re-married heterosexuals.

      • Gustav2

        Soooo what was that case in Colorado again about targeting a specific group?

    • Chucktech

      Why would LGBT businesses turn away perfectly good, green christian money? You can always rinse it off if the smell is too much before you can deposit it.

  • FormerMainer

    The standing decision makes sense, despite the unfortunate outcome. I think this is simply one of many steps on a long process.

    • The_Wretched

      No, it makes no sense to bounce this on standing. While the repugnant justices have a trend to disqualifying facial challenges, it’s more than abundantly clear that “Rainbow Jim Crowe” is just as odious and unlawful and the black variety. The harm is clear and the plaintiffs relevant.

      • FormerMainer

        The think the point they struggle with is “the harm is clear.” How would you demonstrate that?

        • The_Wretched

          The case made it through the district court level with absolutely no trouble. Also, already answered in my reply. I really hate trolls who act like I didn’t already address their point. Are you unfamiliar with Jim Crowe?

          • FormerMainer

            “The case made it through the district court level with absolutely no
            trouble.”

            – Which is not very relevant. The entire point of an appeals court is to review past decisions.

            “Also, already answered in my reply.”

            – What do you think was the answer? I don’t see it.

            “I really hate trolls who
            act like I didn’t already address their point.”

            – Again, I don’t see anything you said that would serve as evidence of harm for a court.

            “Are you unfamiliar with
            Jim Crowe?”

            – Very.

          • The_Wretched

            Clay replied as well. And it’s entirely relevant to bring up the lower court found standing when the upper court denies that there was harm sufficient to find standing. Also, don’t be a last worder and double down on repeating yourself. it’s two more flags that you’re a troll and not here for an honest discussion.

          • FormerMainer

            If you have no other basis for standing other than Clay’s comment, I’ll keep my replies to him.

          • The_Wretched

            lastworder deal with the actual point or learn to read

        • clay

          “We had to put guards in front of our church.”

          • FormerMainer

            That harm was not the result of this law though. Specifically, in order to have standing, the law’s proper implementation must cause harm. The church anecdote is thus irrelevant.

          • clay

            public safety is a government responsibility. This law has already allowed government public safety officers to ignore complaints from LGBT-welcoming congregations, so that they have already had to hire private security.

          • FormerMainer

            “This law has already allowed government public safety officers to ignore complaints from LGBT-welcoming congregations,”

            – What part of the law does that?

          • clay

            will let . . . government employees cite religious beliefs to deny [marriage, health, and safety] services to same-sex couples [and trans-gender or gender-nonconforming persons].

          • FormerMainer

            What are you citing?

          • clay

            Actual citation from Section 3 of the act:
            “(7) The state government shall not take any discriminatory action against a state employee wholly or partially on the basis that such employee lawfully speaks or engages in expressive conduct based upon or in a manner consistent with a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction described in Section 2 of this act, so long as:
            (a) If the employee’s speech or expressive conduct occurs in the workplace, that speech or expressive conduct is consistent with the time, place, manner and frequency of any other expression of a religious, political, or moral belief or conviction allowed; or
            (b) If the employee’s speech or expressive conduct occurs outside the workplace, that speech or expressive conduct is in the employee’s personal capacity and outside the course of performing work duties.”

            Speech and expressive conduct includes refusal to act.

          • FormerMainer

            Let me go through this part by part:

            1. You said “This law has already allowed government public safety officers to ignore
            complaints from LGBT-welcoming congregations, so that they have already
            had to hire private security.” Nothing in the law and nothing that you cited permits any government official to ignore public safety complaints.

            2. The section you cite refers only to punishment the state may dole out on employees. The statutes says that the state may not “take discriminatory action against” (such as firing someone) in response to such speech or expressive conduct.

            3. Nothing suggests that speech or expressive conduct includes the refusal to act as you describe. In fact, the statue says that the speech or expressive conduct may not be a basis for disciplinary action if the speech or expresseive action is not “consistent with the time, place, manner and frequency of any other
            expression of a religious, political, or moral belief or conviction allowed;” How does a refusal to act satisfy this requirement?

            4. What is your evidence that the state employees refused to act in the case of the church? Did you make that up to support your position?

            5. Even if (i) the law allowed officers to ignore public safety complaints (which it does); (ii) speech and expressive conduct included ignoring public safety complaints (which is not clear); (iii) the ignoring of public safety complaints did not fun afoul of the safeguard mentioned in #3 (which it does); and (iv) state employees did refuse to act in response to the public safety complaint (which there is no evidence of)…then you still have the problem that the refusal to act occurred prior to the law’s effective date meaning that there would still be no standing.

            I get that you REALLY want there to be standing. i think we all would have liked the result to be different. However, simply because you want a particular result does not mean you throw out basic legal premises to get your required result. You and Trump can go that way but I prefer the rule of law.

    • Stev84

      The decision by the court was entirely political. They had a desired outcome and then contrived a way to justify it in the least objectionable manner. Look at the judges on the court – and some of their past decisions – to understand it.

  • Ninja0980

    Just a reminder of why our side has missed the ball on the courts.
    When all is said and done, very few cases make it to SCOTUS so the Circuit Courts have the last say.
    And Republicans have made sure young conservative jurists who make Scalia look like an ACLU hippie are the judges hearing these cases while blocking (with spineless Democrats helping) Democrats from filling seats with judges to counter that.
    The courts matter, something Republicans know but our side doesn’t.
    And once again, that ignorance has come to bite us in the butt.

  • ceeenbee

    I hope phil is happy that his gay, gay, gay son can now be discriminated against in his home state. How proud this asshole must be that he could make that possible.

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      I hope that restaurants and banks and doctors and hospital, fuck, gas stations and supermarkets refuse his son service. Let the fuckwad governor see real life consequences.

      [Yes, I hate to see his kid suffer, but maybe, just maybe Governor Asshole will be 2% more enlightened when he and his family are turned away at Crackerbarrel]

      • ceeenbee

        The immoral pig won’t care. He must hate his gay son tremendously to work so hard so that others can discriminate against him.

  • Rex

    Mississippi – I think I hear the ACLU knocking on your door.

  • Mike C

    I wish we had the numbers in these states to make these laws backfire on them. I know, I know, its the wrong thing to discriminate, it’s the wrong thing to deny services, but just once I’d love to see them get a taste of their “religious freedom”.

    • zhera

      “Sorry Ma’am, I will need to see a copy of your marriage licence application before we can serve you. We don’t believe in multiple marriages, that’s for sinners who go to HELL, HELL, HELL!”

  • ChrisInKansas

    It sure didn’t take long for this country to turn to shit. And Trump’s done virtually nothing yet! How is that even possible??

    • Friday

      Cause his supporters and big-money and foreign backers are the people who’ve been trying to turn the country to shit for decades.

  • Chucktech

    Too bad Mississippi is such a shit hole there’s nothing to boycott.

    • orion dumptee

      well…we could refuse to buy the 14in B/W tvs and AM “tube” radios that are made there..

  • Boreal

    Isn’t that asshole gov’s son gay?

    • Blake J Butler

      Yes!

    • Ninja0980

      Yup, and it doesn’t matter to him one bit.

  • PickyPecker
    • Pat Padrnos

      Well – I love this sign. My sincere regret is that we have gotten to this point in our wonderful country. Things have gotten so hateful. Perhaps I was not paying attention prior to Obama – but since then all hell has been unleashed.
      I have always been – what I thought was – “in tune” with discrimination. As I have a gay daughter, worked with and supported minorities I have been very involved in those movements.
      And now we have an absolutely insane person in office who – not so subtly – gives permission to all of the haters to ramp up their hate. Somehow we will survive this – but right now it feels really dark. I honestly did not know there was so much hate out there.

      • netxtown

        And the wait isn’t worth what I’m getting
        Sometimes I feel I’m on fire
        I’ve been handed a curse and a blessing
        My life’s been stripped down to the wire
        And I’m trying to get back and hold on
        Find someone somewhere who cares
        But the sun’s always setting on my life
        And it’s sure getting dark in here

        Elton-It’s getting dark in here

    • another_steve

      Raises all kinds of interesting questions, doesn’t it?

      If this law goes into effect, what’s to prevent a deeply religious queer person from claiming that his deeply-held religious beliefs do not permit him to serve heterosexual married couples?

      Are the courts going to get into the business of “judging” what is and is not a deeply-held religious belief?

      • Chucktech

        What’s to prevent a deeply religious queer person from serving heterosexual married couples?

        Not wanting to go bankrupt. Normal people don’t go into business to not take other people’s money. I certainly wouldn’t, and in fact, would love to dream up some business scheme to separate christians from their money.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          End-O-Days food buckets seem popular. Just say that yours contain dehydrated Popsicles made from holy water.

        • stick92

          Bet that really helped at the blacks in the south were they weren’t served…..oh, wait….

      • Blake Jordan

        Sadly, the homophobes will alienate far fewer customers than a “heterophobe” would…

        Edit: What business that specializes in wedding related stuff would survive/succeed if they did not service opposite gender couples!?

      • The_Wretched

        It’s clear the judges and christianists who are running these ‘religious liberty’ laws smuggle in ‘Christian Only’ via ‘Deeply Held Religious Belief.’ They are scornful that anyone else’s religions are deeply held as they aren’t the true and right belief. How could you deeply hold a lie about god?

        • another_steve

          It’s obvious that fundamentalist Christians (the Christian theofascists behind this law) haven’t thought this out.

          There are fundamentalist Muslims living in the U.S. (not “ordinary” Muslims, but fundamentalist extremists) who, I assure you, believe Christians who don’t worship Allah are infidels.

          Under this law, they’d be only to happy to deny them goods and services.

      • John30013

        To answer your last question: No. The city’s are essentially required to take the person (or business owner) at their word. That’s precisely why such laws are so pernicious, and why LGBT people need federal civil rights protections.

    • Cattleya1

      MS is already a fly-over state. If you have to go through there, gas up in NOLA, Memphis, or Mobile and you can skate through on that one tank of gas. It is my sincere hope to never leave or send another single dollar to that place.

      • BudClark

        I’ve given up. I will shelter in blue California until the time comes for my ashes to be scattered on the family plot in Florida.

        • Cattleya1

          I live in the South Tebagistan district of FL… I’ll hang here until I croak – my sister has instructions to scatter my ashes out among my fruit trees.

  • ChrisInKansas

    Religion fucking ruins everything.

  • JWC

    Is it not a coincedence that a lot of GOP types resemblem reptiles Paul Ryan a lizard Mith McConell a turtle

    • The_Wretched

      Or meth-zombies if the serve in the FEDHOUSE.

  • PickyPecker
    • ChrisInKansas

      I would pay money to see the looks on some bigots’ faces when they were met with this.

      • Nychta

        I can imagine the howling.

    • Menergy

      Unfortunately, until the Civil Rights Act language is changed to delete “religion” as a protected class under the law, discrimination again a person based on that person’s religion (currently protected), will still be illegal. Sadly we cannot yet deny service to a Christian.

      • zhera

        Time to start a new religion. David’s Followers: Worshippers of King David and his same-sex love. Taken from the bible, how can the christers deny it?

    • skyweaver

      Exactly

  • Stev84

    Of course. The 5th Circuit is a disgusting court of hateful people. No surprise given the area it covers

    • Ninja0980

      And the judges on it.

  • Yixing’s Fluffer

    Bigots in Mississippi have a hard life. If they can’t be nasty to LGBTQ and minorities what have they got?

    • Jonathan Smith

      blacks?

      • Yixing’s Fluffer

        The correct answer is: chronic illness, for which they will receive no treatment because they voted away their own insurance.

        • Jonathan Smith

          oh. Soooooooo close.

  • lymis

    I fail to see the connection that means being required to treat people equally means you can’t believe they’re not.

  • Ninja0980

    Sad note, if you want to see how smart Republicans were in regards to the court, look at this circuit where there are still two active judges from the St. Ronnie era who can easily serve for another 10-20 years.
    Say what you will about them, but Republicans know how important the courts are and have the judges to prove it.

    • Vista-Cruiser

      While our side pouts and says “Obama hasn’t delivered rainbows and unicorns yet, so I’m sitting out this election to send him a message!!!”

  • andrew

    Can merchants and government employees use their religious beliefs to deny services to people for reasons other than same sex marriage? Suppose I follow the teachings of Jesus and consider divorced and remarried people adulterers, can I refuse services to them? Or are they just legalizing discrimination against gay people?

    • zhera

      As per usual, the South hasn’t thought things through. The wanted to give religious schools a leg up a few years ago, possibly something with private schools getting money the public schools should be getting.

      When a Muslim school applied/demanded same treatment, they were beside themselves. It didn’t even cross their mind that religious means more than christian.

      This new law won’t pass the smell test and is bound to end up on SCOTUS.

  • Guess what, kids? The Russkies apparently did fuck with the election itself:
    https://twitter.com/natemcdermott/status/877939610327932930

    • clay

      When the GOP says “the election, itself”, they only mean the vote tallies.

    • ChrisInKansas

      Could someone pass these facts along to Jeff Sessions? I’m confident he will appoint an independent counsel to look into this matter immediately!

      • Tomcat

        Reich.

        • Todd20036

          I did Nazi what you did there….

    • JWC

      This was on Rachel last nigh.There is also a company that collected , stored and retained extremly sesitive information on over 100m Americans. It was not hidden or protected. Anyone who knew how to access it could have found it. The sight was up for many months The chap who set it up is now a Trump insdier

      • AmeriCanadian

        I doubt this was accidental. More like an open invitation.

        • JWC

          Its like the criticism I got in the Bush years when I also watched Al Jezzeria TV I was not willing to only accept CNN take on Bush I needed a balance

          • The_Wretched

            Al Jezzeria TV had to go from the US market. It was too good at reporting embarrassing truths.

          • JWC

            I am in Canada where we sorta celebrate the truth

          • You are a lucky, lucky human.

          • orion dumptee

            any room in your backyard for PERMANENT camp site?

  • JWC

    Now all Decorators, Stylists, Performer and Cateres stop serving GOP dicks because of your firm help sexual beliefs Fight back Gurls hit’em where it hurts Take a page from “The Wedding Planner”

  • lenvus

    The Fifth Circuit? Of course it gave permission. There’s a fucking surprise. Yet another two steps back in the advance of LGBT civil rights in this country.

  • Henry Auvil
  • KQCA

    LGBTQs, let’s be smart and file as a religion. Think of how we could level the playing field.

    Or, since atheists are accused of being a religion, atheists should go ahead and register as a religion.

    Either of these options would be entertaining. I think I’ll stock up on popcorn for the show.

  • it’s really time for people to start thinking of very creative ways that their religious beliefs can be used against the haters. doesn’t everyone feel like joining an orthodox pagan temple right now? you know, the ones that in the old days sacrified xtians to The Mother and her Horned Son?

    • Friday

      Except that is bullshit from Christianist propaganda in the first place?

      • come now, my friend. facts and logic and history have no place in our discussions of religion. not ever!

        • Friday

          Well, when someone who won’t see the distinctions uses Paganism for their own sense of shock effect, I do say something.

    • Tomcat

      The only way is to claim LGBTQ as a religious belief and start screaming about religious persecution.

    • Michael R

      Beliefs can always be used in irrational ways because they require no facts , much like conspiracy theories . This law can be used against the people who wrote it .
      Eventually they will have to admit it makes no sense and can’t only work for them .

    • Cackalaquiano

      See, but these folks literally say the preferential treatment of Christian beliefs (their version) is totally legit. God’s on their side. They need no further justification. They truly can’t see beyond that.

    • BudClark

      Restore the Earth / Sky religion of the First Nations.

  • Ninja0980

    All those folks who stayed home or voted third party to send a message?
    You did.
    It’s that LGBT, POC and women among others who have the misfortune of being born in or having to move to red states don’t matter for the sake of your damn purity.
    If some folks don’t like me bringing that up, too bad.
    If Bernie had won the primary, I would have pulled the lever for him without a second thought because despite my dislike of him, letting a Republican into office who would put someone like Gorsuch onto SCOTUS was a risk I wasn’t willing to take.
    And yet so many on the left still want to whine and do the Bernie or Bust crap when this is the outcome.
    Ticks me off to no end.

    • Lazycrockett

      You know if we concentrated on POC and other minorities the DNC could tell white people to fuck off.

      • JWC

        That is now the job of the American public. As these GOP pricks take their Independance day break, I hope the “home folk’ in their constituancies hold discussions and rallies and demand and get answers. Its now down to grassroots

      • Ninja0980

        Yup and pay attention to issues such as voter id laws etc.

    • JWC

      I stand and Applaud Unfortunately your “no vote protest” is a vote

  • Leo

    OT. I fucking KNEW IT. Mukowski, Collins, Paul. THERE’S A CHANCE.

    • Lazycrockett

      and Drumpf just stated that he wanted Medicare for all. smh

      • so wait….this is good? or bad?

        • Leo

          His supporters are going to be confused and divided.

          So good. I think. What a clusterfuck.

        • Gustav2

          He says all kinds of shit all the time.

  • Schlukitz

    How fortunate for Mississippi business folk who are taking in so much money that they can afford to turn away business.

    If I tried to pull this shit in my business up in the Big Apple, I would be out of business in two shakes of a lamb’s tail!

  • Gustav2

    Since it is legal in Mississippi, I no longer have to treat all Christians like they are citizens.

    • JWC

      Tit for Tat the only way to fight be as awkward as they are The only difference ,you know why they don’t

  • Tomcat

    On to the Unsupreme court for a final decision.

    • Well, there’s a chance the court might not grant cert. And if the court won’t over turn this decision, it is probably for the best. Ugg, I feel dirty just saying that and need to take a shower.

    • The_Wretched

      This was a 3 judge panel. There’s an option to have the full 5th ap court hear it.

      • coram nobis

        En banc? Worth a try, esp. if they can garner more amici curiae in the process.

        • The_Wretched

          The harms aren’t so speculative that we can’t see them even now. As such, i have trouble as seeing the 3 judges ruling as nothing more than malicious forcing of additional costs and time for the final outcome.

  • Dirk Prophet

    A man walks into a gay bar with a “God Hates Queers” shirt on and orders a drink.
    He gets his damn drink.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Gregory In Seattle

    I wonder if the law would let me deny services to bigots. Because of my religious beliefs, of course.

    • Tomcat

      Name all the books of the bible or no SOUP.

      • Tomcat

        No soup for you.

    • Friday

      No, it’s phrased only to ‘protect’ the ‘freedom’ to enforce anti-L:GBT beliefs on others.

    • Natty Enquirer

      You can already do that as bigots are not a protected class.

  • j.martindale

    The only defense we will have is when another court in another jurisdiction decides this matter differently. It WILL end up in the SCOTUS. Now, with the makeup of the court today, there is no telling how it will play out.

  • Lazycrockett

    Sen. Paul is on the tv parsing his words very very carefully. Doesn’t support the present bill at the moment.

    • He’s been calling it “Obamacare-lite”. For him it doesn’t go far enough into the evil zone. Paul claims he was voted in to end Obamacare. Love to know what his voters truly think.

  • Tomcat

    Next for GOP, ETHNIC CLEANSING.

  • DisqusD37

    Said it before, I’ll say it again: A Handmaid’s Tale is not far off. Organized religion is a blight on this earth.

    • Adam King

      Not to mention disorganized religion, which is probably even worse.

  • Friday

    Still flagrantly Unconstitutional, as it only ‘protects’ one version of one ‘religious belief,’ not other religions or viewpoints that do not believe what the Christianists demand. They didn’t even bother to try to hide it.

    • Jonathan Smith

      why should they? knew it would get past the 5th, pretty sure the Supremes wont pick it up.

  • Natty Enquirer

    We need to find a friendly defendant to put up a “NO COLOREDS” sign in the window and test this ridiculous “religious freedom” law.

  • Leo

    OT Breaking: I was wrong! Cruz, Johnson, Lee, and Paul ALL don’t support the bill as written. That DOESN”T EVEN INCLUDE the moderates Collins and Murkowski who haven’t made a statement yet! (trying to keep the hope alive :/)

    • Murkowski has said that she won’t vote for any bill that defunds Planned Parenthood. These moderates need to band together into a large enough block to stop this evil bill from passing.

      • Leo

        Republican moderate block? Who else beside Lisa and Susan? I don’t think I’d include Portman.

        • I have zero idea. Was just hoping and sounding off.

          • Leo

            Worth hoping. But yeah, no.

        • Ninja0980

          There are no moderate Republicans left.
          They either retired (Snowe) or lost election (Chafee.)

          • Really? Only two? That’s crazy sad.

    • The_Wretched

      I’m not believing them until a vote is held and they vote no.

  • Statistics Palin

    So, in light of Langbehn vs. Jackson Memeorial Hospital, how do gay couples not face life-threatening discrimination any time they travel to a state that has such a law?

    • Jonathan Smith

      they DO, that’s the problem.

      • Ninja0980

        But we aren’t going to be thrown off rooftops so we should just shut up.

        • For now no rooftops. The xtian’s prefer a more gentler form of death for LGBTQ folks. Death by starvation, disease, and exposure.

    • coram nobis

      They don’t, or shouldn’t. At some point the Interstate Commerce Clause becomes an issue. Incidentally, Janice Langbehn lost because the Federal judge applied Florida law (Erie doctrine, diversity case and all that). Someone should try an Art. IV case, Privileges & Immunities, and see if that is a better line of attack.

  • stuckinthewoods

    “The three-judge panel ruled unanimously with an opinion from Circuit
    Judge Jerry Smith. Jennifer Elrod and Catharina Haynes were the other
    two judges. Plaintiffs could appeal to the full 5th Circuit to hear the
    case or appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.”…..”Beth Littrell, counsel at Lambda Legal, emphasized in a press release that this ruling is not the “end of the road for us.” http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2017/jun/22/house-bill-1523-becomes-law-after-5th-circuit-appe/

    • Ninja0980

      Did anyone think three Federalist Society hacks were going to rule any other way?

      • Jonathan Smith

        think? No.
        wish? Yes.

  • Tomcat

    Throughout the worst times of this countries history, old white men have made the majority of decisions. It is time for us to step aside and allow those we have harmed for years have some say. We have to accept that we are not the world turners we have always thought we were.

  • skyweaver

    What is it about slippery slope that you don’t understand? This opens up ALL KINDS of claims of religious discrimination. Including against Christians.

    • Jonathan Smith

      yeah, but it’s all about LGBT surely it cant be used against anyone else……
      oh, it can?
      oops.

    • BobSF_94117

      The law only privileges religious beliefs about marriage being between one man and one woman. The only Christians affected by this law are same-sex-couple Christians.

      • skyweaver

        So at least it is very specific in its bigotry

      • coram nobis

        Establishment Clause, since it privileges one particular, and sectarian, point of view. Let’s see if SCOTUS can swallow this one.

        • Vista-Cruiser

          Republicans are waiting in the wings with an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would declare the U.S. to be a Christian nation.

          • coram nobis

            Let’s see how far that goes. Anybody can float an amendment, but passing one won’t be easy. And if it gets anywhere it’ll tie up Congress for months and the GOP leadership may not want to spend time and political capital. They couldn’t pass a marriage amendment.

      • clay

        It also privileges religious beliefs about traditional views of sex and gender, which opens up a whole hornets’ nest in medical care not only for trans-gender folk, but also for those wearing non-conforming clothes or other non-conforming presentations, including pregnant lesbians, HIV+ gay men, lesbians with PCOS or breast, ovarian, or cervical cancer, HPV vaccines and PrEP for men, etc.

  • stvnc44

    We now need to concede to the ignorance of the “christian believers”, however, we should also begin forcing the law that keeps us from being equal to be applied to all covenants of the christian belief mythology.
    In other words, tattoo, shellfish….. we all know the poop. Anyway they should all be forced and not permitted to service “those” people either.

  • Jonathan Smith
  • ETownCanuck

    They kind of had to rule this way so that it ends up with the supes so that they can finally put this shit to rest once and for all no?

    • Jonathan Smith

      no. they are just a bunch of fuckwads who rule from the bible and not the constitution.

  • Leo

    • JWC

      McConnell should be very concerned he may be Kentucy;s darhlin but he is Americas Assdhole

      • Jonathan Smith

        as long as KY keeps voting him in, He just dosent give a shit

        • JWC

          so he is a bed sheet wearin good ole boy who screws them as muchas everyone else

        • JWC

          who is a stomg democrat in Turtles area

  • Sam_Handwich

    here’s the opinion

    http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/16/16-60477-CV1.pdf

    doesn’t address the merits, just the matter of standing

    • Ninja0980

      Mark Joseph Stern of Slate warned this could happen and it did.
      Sucks that he was right.

  • Ninja0980

    Two of these judges (Elrod and Hayes) said it wasn’t an undue burden for a woman to have to drive 300-400 miles to get an abortion.
    Judge Smith is a right wing piece of shit who has had Tom Cotton as people who have clerked for him.
    No way in hell were we going to get a favorable review from this panel.

    • I keep waiting and waiting for the other shoe to fall, and cause serious back splash to these RWNJ’s and their odious hate laws. But so far zero, nada, zip.

    • The_Wretched

      I seriously think twice about anything over 30 miles away.

    • Vista-Cruiser

      And more and more judges like them are joining the federal courts every day.

  • kaydenpat

    Very disheartening that a court would okay blatant discrimination based on such poor reasoning.

  • Blake Jordan

    Louisiana is covered by the worst of the federal circuit courts, i.e., the 5th, so…

  • TheManicMechanic

    Because Mississippi.

  • Ninja0980

    Stuff like this is why it drives me nuts when some Democrats say in order to win, we have to move to or stay in places like MS.
    How can you ask people to stay in a place that hates them this much?

  • coram nobis

    So, denied on basis of standing and a failure to show imminent (before-the-fact) harm. Two can play that game: anybody denied medical care, say, and suffered harm as a result of this law should get the nastiest torts attorney they can, and go at it from that angle, since they’ll have both standing and a harm to show. There also might be Hobbs Act (criminal; color of official authority) applicable if some petty official relies on this Mississippi law, or maybe something in the Privileges & Immunities clause if it involves some out-of-state traveler.

    More than one way to skin this pussy.

  • John Calendo

    Supreme Court ahead. Millions of dollars will be spent defending this illegal sop to the Religious Right.

  • safari

    So, let it be law that they post who they won’t serve in big red letters on their front door.

  • Leo

    • Bryan

      Really.
      Did it work?

      • Jonathan Smith

        not so much……

    • safari

      Newt has been saying this today, too. Isn’t intimidation a crime?

      • Jonathan Smith

        apparently, not if the President does it…..

    • Rex

      Just more Trump bullshit to try to gain the upper hand. He likes playing games, and I hope he finds out what losing feels like.

      • safari

        David Frum points out he bluffs when he’s cornered. We now all know that. The entire planet. And that is dangerous.

  • j.martindale

    This act is going to cause all kinds of problems. When different sects claim their religious beliefs entitle them to violate all sorts of laws–including laws prohibiting discrimination–the courts are going to have to decide where to draw a line. And it will be IMPOSSIBLE. If you open the floodgates to people deciding whether to observe laws on the basis of their superstitions, laws become unenforceable. What happens if you belong to a Caribbean cult that has animal sacrifice? Can you ignore animal cruelty laws? What about Muslim cults that demand sexual mutilation of young girls as part of their religious nonsense? Or the Christian Scientists that deprive their sick children health care. Pandora’s box, everyone. They think they can limit this so they can just insult gays and flout their prejudices without legal consequence. It won’t work that way.

    • WTHella

      Yep. It will put the state in the position to decide whose religious beliefs are “sincere” and legitimate and whose aren’t. Exactly what the constitution bans.

  • ted-

    Failed state…

  • John Calendo

    The Fifth Circuit is comprised of Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. FYI.

    • safari

      blegh

      • Ninja0980

        Which is why SCOTUS was so important, as that is truly the last resort for many folks.

  • PR

    Build the wall around the bible belt and let them continue to inbreed.

    • JWC
      • I thought that was 2 Corinthians?

        • JWC

          cud be I do not follw the Holly Bibble any more that I do any other fiction

          • Yeah, me either. I was riffing off of The White House Squatter’s misspeak when he said 2 Corinthians.

          • JWC

            I am quie sure that as in one place the Holly Bibble says”This” somewhere else another verse will say “That” so the Cherry pickers can have a field day Given that the the Bibble was writtn over 500 years by many stories from many tribes with many dialects and language and with great distances between them. How do you know wherte it said :”Celebate’ or “Celebrate”

  • Lars Littlefield

    Boo!!! Bad, Mississippi.

  • John Calendo

    WHAT THE BILL DOES: “The law prohibits the state from taking action against religious organizations that decline employment, housing or services to same-sex couples; families who’ve adopted a foster child and wish to act in opposition to same-sex marriage; and individuals who offer wedding services and decline to facilitate a same-sex wedding. Additionally, the bill allows individuals working in medical services to decline to afford a transgender person gender reassignment surgery.

    The bill also allows state government employees who facilitate marriages the option to opt out of issuing licenses to same-sex couples, but the person must issue prior written notice to the state government and a clerk’s office must not delay in the issuing of licenses. ” – PrideSource

    • John Calendo
    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      “…religious organizations that decline employment, housing or services to same-sex…”

      Seems to me, that since most hospitals are religious affiliated, ANY medical care, even if not to a transman or woman could be refused under this law.

  • bkmn

    Every election matters – and we can not let Trump appoint another right winger to SCOTUS.

    • Vista-Cruiser

      I agree that every election matters. But folks on our side only vote when they feel sufficiently inspired by a candidate.

  • safari

    O/T: Yesterday’s airport stabber in Flint is Tunisian-Canadian. He’s lived in Canada for 10 years. He speaks mostly French. He entered the US via New York state on the 6th, for some reason ended up in Flint. During the attack he allegedly shouted “Allahu Akbar” and something similar to “You have killed people in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan and we are all going to die”. He also tried to buy a gun but was denied because… Canadian. He’s also a truck driver and father of three.

    • AmeriCanadian

      I’ve flown in and out of Flint Bishop airport many times. It’s so small you can park your car in the (only) lot in front of the entrance and be at your gate within minutes. Can’t understand why the guy chose that airport or why he drove from his point of entry of Champlain, NY, to Flint, MI. Nothing special about Flint, except maybe the lead in the drinking water.

      • safari

        I’m native to the Saginaw area, the rust-belt city just north of Flint, and I completely agree.

        • AmeriCanadian

          And then you moved to Ohio. Which state do you prefer? 😉

          I make lots of trips to Frankemuth and, when outlet mall shopping was in, Birch Run. I’ll take that area of Michigan over the bible belt my father’s from (Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo) any day.

          • safari

            Actually I live in Lansing.

          • AmeriCanadian

            Mea culpa. I must have you confused with another poster.

      • Jukesgrrl

        Why? Because he’s crazy?

    • Vista-Cruiser

      Violence is frowned upon in Canada. He wanted to go to a country that encourages and celebrates violence.

  • Leo

    Hey 5th Circuit! Wanna square that with this?

  • Kelly Lape

    Fuck Jesus, fuck god, fuck Mississippi and fuck amerkkka

  • ByronK
  • Dejerrity

    This one needs to be fast-tracked to the Supreme Court. This is bullshit. A Federal Appeals Court hos now tried to enshrine discrimination into our Constitution and it can’t hold.

    We have GOT to stop humoring these filthy bigots and slap them down once and for all.

    • djcoastermark

      How can we, the little people do this ? I know it needs to be done , but how do we do this? I am all in to help.

  • safari

    O/T: I didn’t read the story, but Harry in uniform
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/877959646698500097

  • coram nobis
  • Kenwah
  • Steven B

    Whoa! Why couldn’t the same legal arguments be used to discriminate against other groups such as women? Or men for that matter? Or racial minorities? Etc

    • The_Wretched

      Yes, that’s why this ruling is so odious. The courts used to have no trouble taking out ‘Jim Crowe’ type laws. That this law was passed and that it was appealed let alone ruled the wrong way is breach in the rule of law.

    • Gianni

      Because those categories are protected under the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964.

      • Vista-Cruiser

        Expect to see that repealed soon too.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    Does that mean that if I owned a business in Mississippi that I could refuse service to anyone wearing a cross because it against my religion? But then again they probably can’t afford a cross in the first place.

    • Wouldn’t that be wonderful? But sorry, no. Xtians are a protected class. Not Jews, not Muslims, not Buddhists, nor American Original People’s religion. Just fucking asswipe xtians.

      • teedofftaxpayer

        But my Bible says I can, I know because I wrote my Bible to my specifications. 🙂

      • Gianni

        According to the Federal Civil Rights Act, the categories of people you mentioned are all protected – race, religion, ethnicity, gender, place of origin, etc.

        • Legally, every religion is a protected class, but in reality, ’tis only the xtians.

    • Gianni

      One person’s religious beliefs subjecting another’s religion to discrimination would prove to be a very interesting case pitting religious belief against religious belief. Some day the Supreme Court is going to have to rule on these religious protection issues when it comes to using those beliefs/practices as the reason for discriminating against others protected by the Civil Rights Act (which, unfortunately, sexual orientation is not).

  • The ruling was based on “standing”, but was rooted in bigotry. Muslim’s, Women and LGBTQ are the new targets for Jim Crow type laws. And unless the SCOTUS nips this piece of trash in the bud, we are dry fucked with a saguaro.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/85bfa11d352f2ca35d0e9a19d0caf89fab3ea703bc8a45eb0a85878dd75b4e25.jpg

  • Rob Spangler

    The judges ruled based on no standing by the plaintiffs because they had not been injured. Once a plaintiff has been injured/discriminated against a new case can be brought. More hoops to jump through…

    • The_Wretched

      More time, more money, more headache for everyone and every reason to believe the same court will allow this newest Jim-Crowe Law to stand.

    • Xuuths

      Yes, the “well, he wasn’t touching you” ruling, siding with bullies. Very judicial.

  • Daveed_WOW

    I’d like to start my own business just so I can put up a “No Republicans Allowed” sign.

    • Clive Johnson

      True story: My s.o. heard of an incident about a month after Drump was elected about an employee saying to another employee who happened to have an accent, “Are you legal? Do you have papers?”

      The woman with the accent and non-white skin had indeed been living here for many years and was a citizen, and she was duly offended at the arrogance and bigotry of this self-outed Trumptard. Word spread in the office, and many were upset. But nothing was done.

      If that were my company I’d rail her out in front of everyone for her intolerance and stupidity, and tell her she had 15 minutes to get her shit out of my building or I was calling the police. And oh, I’ll do everything in my power to make sure you never get a job in this industry again.

      • Daveed_WOW

        Sounds like my relatives. We had a 50 year detente until Trump gave them permission to be rude, hostile and disrespectful. I don’t wish them any ill, but I look forward to wearing my bright red suit to their funerals.

  • agcons

    This ground-in-dirt-looking creep again.

  • Nowhereman

    It’s blatantly unconstitutional. It is illegal to base laws on religious beliefs or concerns.That is the flip side of freedom of religion–freedom FROM religion.

    • Xuuths

      You would think judges would know that.

      • Vista-Cruiser

        Not Republican-appointed judges.

      • Nowhereman

        Sadly, a lot of them don’t.

  • Silver Badger

    Christians may be a protected class, so they can’t be denied service. However, the law does not say they have to get excellent service. Just the bare minimum. Accident’s happen. Cakes burn, people confuse salt and sugar. Meals can accidentally arrive half frozen. Records can be accidentally misfiled. Paint, just a half shade off. Shipping orders filled out one digit off. Stuff happens.

  • Vista-Cruiser

    Had Democrats bothered to vote back in 2010, 2014, and 2016, we wouldn’t have so many federal judges like these three.

    • Xuuths

      Well said. Democratic voter apathy is to blame for many horrible election results. I’m sure the precious snowflakes tell themselves “not my fault” every day.

  • greenmanTN

    Are there any pictures of him from before he died?

  • Robincho

    If this face is anything more than one centimeter from death’s door, I would be genuinely surprised. Dude is NOT a well man…

  • BlindBill

    so is it is fair to ask a man if he had sex before he was married, if he is married to his first wife, and if any of his children are bastards…. in front of his children, when he is trying to buy them icecream?

    • LesbianTippingHabits


      Why not? If that’s your religion, well, that’s your right.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Sorry Christians, but your religion sucks…and not in a good way.

  • Michael White

    I am sure this will come to Indiana . I hope those that dont want my money put a big . sign in their window so I can spend my money else where

    • djcoastermark

      Not good enough. Do we really need to go back to the time of “No Coloreds Allowed” ? I know, just substitute No LGBT’s Allowed. But yes, if a business wants to discriminate, Make them put up a sign so we know beforehand. And hopefully there are consequences for their actions.

      • LesbianTippingHabits


        This is precisely Dan Savage’s point:

        Make bigots take a public position.

        Gun rights groups in Texas have done the same thing with respect to private businesses and open and concealed carrying of guns.

        Every business must post two signs, one clearly stating whether open carry is allowed, and another clearly stating whether concealed carry is allowed. That is, within the business’ premises.

        Fully informed consumers can make their own choices.

      • Michael White

        No I hope we don’t go back to the time. But we are headed that way. If Kennedy retires and the orange turd appoints another hater to SCOTUS the tide will flood us with all sorts of rights being rolled back. Despite all the talking heads I have little hope of taking back Congress in 2018. Rethugs vote liberals bitch and stay home. All one needs to do is look at voter turnout last November. I vote I drive people to the polls and register friends who have never voted. I don’t have a lot of extra money to throw at candidates so I am doing all I can but i see no reason to be optimistic about 2018.

  • AaronD12

    Time for the law of unintended consequences. Muslims! Don’t make things for Christians and see what happens! There can be no law promoting one religion over another, so Muslims must have the same protections Christians do. And Pastafarians too!

  • Dale Snyder

    Good. Put signs in front of your establishments stating “No Gays Served.”

    That’ll put us on par with a christian regime across the pond several decades ago.

  • abbafan65

    Coming soon! To a state near you!
    I’m sure we in Michituckisippi will be one of the first.

  • Craig Howell

    Looks like a narrow technical ruling based on a supposed lack of standing by the plaintiffs. As soon as the law is in effect and somebody can point to a specific harm that they’re suffering, back to court they go. This ain’t over by a long shot.

  • LSMC1987

    I predict within 5 months, a federal bill to do the same thing. Within months, red states will be doing this.

  • LSMC1987

    I see a lot of venting below. But, anyone here care to analyze this from a full 5th and up to SCOTUS? If this stands, we’ve lost.

  • nipper

    “Lack the standing” isnt that just a technicality? Once someone is “Harmed” by the law they can challenge it no?

  • The Professor

    See ya in court, crackers.

  • ‘Til Tuesday

    “Doctors and mental health counselors cannot be compelled to provide services in contravention of a sincerely held Section 2 belief, provided it does not interfere with “visitation, recognition of a designated representative for health care decision-making, or emergency medical treatment necessary to cure an illness or injury as required by law.” HB 1523 § 3(4).

    You could drive the proverbial “mac truck” through that language. Anything short of emergency room care can be denied to LGBT people in Mississippi.

    Because the 5th Circuit was so pissy in their ruling and demanded actual harm, I’d find an anti-gay doctor (which would be easy in Mississippi), identity as gay, and ask for an appointment. Then when they refuse, sue again.

    Mississippi is the worst fucking state in America. I can say that because, unfortunately, our company has contracts in Mississippi that requires me to do work in the state. Racism, sexism and anti-LGBT discrimination are very prevalent, even in the state agencies we work with. Black Mississippians still have to go to certain government offices in county and state agencies that will serve them. If they go to one for whites, they’ll be told to go to the “appropriate” office.

    Mississippi is still angry with legal equality for black people. It’s still like the 1970’s there. Women’s rights and LGBT right are, unfortunately, many, many years away.

    As I said, it’s the worst fucking state in America.

  • JCF
  • CottonBlimp

    I’m sick of this shit. Keep your stupid fucking beliefs to yourself. I don’t give a shit what your dumbass parents told you God feels about gays, blacks, serving ham, showing your hair, sitting next to women, or any other goddamn fucking thing. It is 20-goddamn-17, we are on our way to flying to Mars, and it is well past time we stop treating these fucking imbeciles who still believe in magic as if the opinions of their imaginary friends are worth goddamn anything.

    I don’t give a shit what your beliefs are, it is *your* responsibility to moderate your beliefs to be compatible with civilized society, not the other way around.