Jill Stein Has No Regrets About Ruining Everything

This morning Politico published a longread interview with Jill Stein. An excerpt:

Had a few thousand votes in key Midwestern states gone to Hillary Clinton instead of Jill Stein, many on the left believe, America might be having a very different conversation today.

Instead, Democrats are still fuming about the role the Green Party nominee may have played in electing Donald Trump—who as president has celebrated the coal industry, promised to pull the United States out of the world’s most important climate agreement and refused to even say whether he believes global warming is real. All of that should be anathema to a party whose founding principles include a commitment to “ecological wisdom.”

So does Stein, with the benefit of hindsight, have any regrets? “I don’t think so,” she tells me by phone from her home in Lexington, Massachusetts. Decrying “fake news,” citing the “sabotage of Bernie Sanders” and talking up the “tremendous” campaign she could have run with more money, Stein is projecting a Trump-worthy level of defiance. “I consider it a great honor that the party and our prior campaign for president is suddenly being attacked outside of an election season,” she says.

The piece goes on to discuss the voting margins in the swing states that threw the election to Trump and Stein’s presence at the dinner table with Putin and Michael Flynn. Interesting stuff, but it might raise your blood pressure.

  • kareemachan

    Hey, she’s been to Russia, too, also.

    Just sayin’…

  • Jonathan Smith

    Point. Score. JMG. pissed me off before I got to work 😉

    • Joe in PA

      Now now, don’t blame the messenger. 🙂

    • zhera

      You really ought to blame Jill Stein and not JMG for that.

  • hdtex
  • Jonathan Smith

    Jill:”I didn’t win or place. Burn motherfucker!”

  • Frostbite

    No surprise, she didn’t want to win, she wanted to trash everything. Hope this cunty-mc-cunt-face burns in hell.

  • zhera

    Stein is happy about the way things are going then. So much for being ‘green’.

    • Romero

      The green party has proven itself useless, petulant, and destructive. It needs to be wiped off the map.

    • thrunch

      She’s not green … she’s Russian.

  • At that now infamous RT dinner she sat at the table with Mike Flynn and Putin. That makes her a #treasonweasel, just like the rest.

    • Misutaa Roboto

      Some of her ardent followers that I’ve spoken to think that Putin is a standup guy who has “done all right by his people”. These same people will angrily refer to any American they disagree with as “oligarch” or “pro-oligarchy” with no sense of irony.

      The Green Party these days really is just full of dumb contrarians preening for each other to show who hates their own country the most. Such people have always been there, but now they’re all that’s left of it.

  • AJD

    And then there are her legions of sub-moronic supporters. I’m sure others got to have the experience of trying – in complete, utter futility – to use facts, reason and logic to show those people the consequences of their pointless, purely ego-driven protest votes. But as the saying goes, you can’t fix stupid.

  • Bryan

    The fragile planet Jill Stein wants to protect is her ego.

    • Philly Mike

      Oh SNAP!

    • netxtown

      just a asteroid space rock…just a space rock passing….

      • Todd20036

        God’s kidney stone.

        • netxtown

          Like it. Small – and painful. 🙂

  • Boy Elvis

    Of course Stein has no regrets. Her only ambition was to make herself more famous, and she succeeded at that, so nothing else matters.

    My favorite anything regarding Stein remains this:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c22118bd2843ff308f8847f16fbbc708106ebf70c300d9b09e159fe4e94b5e88.jpg

  • Ninja0980

    For all the green party voters etc. who listened to this woman, just keep in mind that even if 2020 has the greatest progressive revolution of all time, the Trump/Republican/Federalist Society judges on SCOTUS and the lower courts will simply strike down any progressive legislation passed.

    • Todd20036

      Oh please. You expect way too much of them. The Green Party is the left wing’s Trumpanzees.
      They will NEVER understand how important the courts are, even if you try to explain it with cartoons and a puppet show.

      • Ninja0980

        I will say much of our party doesn’t at times either, which is a damn shame and something we have to fix.

      • AJD

        Exactly. And the reason they will never understand is because they don’t want to. It would introduce an intolerable level of nuance into their childish worldview.

      • Because they know they will never win and therefore they can demand a utopian fantasy that would never work and couldn’t get passed even if it would. They love sitting at the back of the room throwing spitballs at anyone who is actually trying to accomplish anything. They don’t want to be part of anything that might actually happen because that would involve compromise and accepting something less than their ideal naive ideas about how the world should work.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Wait until those federalist judges come after our rights……bye bye national gay marriage.

      • FAEN

        They can try and probably will but they won’t have standing. No way you can put the genie back in the bottle.

        • They just need a string of right wing judges all the way up and they are well on their way to having that.

          • FAEN

            But based on what? No credible study shows marriage equality harms anyone. If anything it enhances our society.

          • Fear and ignorance promoted by those in power to get poor rural white people to vote against their own interests. The people who are going to be most harmed by the ACA repeal are those poor white rural people (and minority rural people too) because those medicaid cuts will impact them in huge numbers and result in the closings of hospitals that serve communities with no other options. But hey, so long as they can rail against the fags, that’s okay! Yeah, they are that stupid and easily manipulated. I have relatives who would starve without government assistance and rail against government programs because the right wing media they consume makes it sound like those programs are taking their money (as if they had any) and giving it to brown people. Yes, I’m related to racists although if you point out their racism they will go off because how dare anyone point out the obvious. Ugh. Sorry. This pisses me off to know end. And no I don’t feel bad for them. Because my feelings do not have magical powers that alter reality. I do vote to help poor and rural people but they vote against their own interests so that doesn’t matter much either, but a vote can potentially help. A feeling, not so much.

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          RBG retires and we are screwed

          • FAEN

            But again what standing do they have?

            I love RBG but I wish she had exited gracefully in 2012 and let Obama appoint a younger Justice.

  • Todd20036

    The Green Party helped to elect someone who wants to defund the EPA.
    Tells me all I need to know right there, and that’s ignoring Nader entirely

    • Rambie

      After Nader I thought the Green party was nothing but false-flag to split up the progressive vote. Stein just proved it again.

      • I think the Greens started off legitimately enough. They saw the progress of Greens in other countries and thought they could emulate it here. But Duverger’s law and all — its nearly impossible for a third party to make any headway in a system like ours. I think a lot of the smarter, more sensible Greens realized they could accomplish more working within the Democratic Party, much like the Tea Party works within the GOP, not as an independent party. The ones left are a lot of super left-wing conspiracy theorists propped up (unwittingly by the Greens, perhaps) by a lot of right wing dark money who are using them to hurt progressive causes, not help them.

        • Rambie

          I’m not doubting that the Green Party did start off legitimately enough, but by the time election 2000 came along it was already (unwittingly by the Greens) bought and paid for by dark right-wing money.

          The Tea Party was also bought out by dark right-wing money.

    • sword

      The first time I met Ralph Nader…I wasn’t impressed. He came to talk at my University. “Why did you fly, rather than using a more efficient mode of transport?: ‘I am very busy and need to get around quickly.'” He also demanded a large car to drive him around: “I need a big safe car”. The same arguments used by my fat-cat business contacts.

    • A few weeks ago, they had a story on NPR about the Iranian Presidential Election. There was an Iranian fellow on there who noted that while President Rouhani was not as liberal as many liberal folks there might have wanted, they would vote for him anyway, as he was still the better (and more liberal) candidate. And all I could think was “Gee, imagine that.”

  • madknits

    Because she is a sociopath.
    She comes from Lexington, MA, one of the wealthiest suburbs in the Commonwealth. If she isn’t the 1%, she’s definitely up there.

  • People4Humanity

    Oh good. This is where I get to count how many JMGers still have their knickers in a twist about criminal Hillz losing BIGLY.
    … and it ain’t over yet.
    #DNCFraudLawsuit❗️

    • RyanInIllinois

      Oh, comrade… if you want to get a check from Mr. Putin, you’re going to have to step up your game.

    • Lizard

      Calling attention to the DNC lawsuit at this point somewhat puts me in mind of a homeowner’s association representative telling a family to put out their campfire while their own house burns to the ground behind them.

      • Romero

        Who’s the fool above? And why the fuck should I give a shit?

    • Carl

      Shut up. No one believes you can count.

  • Rex

    Cares about the planet – Wrong.
    Cares about the country – Wrong.
    Cares about herself – Ding, Ding, Ding….

  • netxtown

    Hope she made enough money off her election wrecker campaign to buy clean air and water…or maybe Pooty will send her a gift wrapped quart of each as an extra special thanks…

    • bzrd

      where is all the money she collected for the recounts which didn’t happen?

      • netxtown

        account # 167-224231 Jill Stein. Bank of Moscow.

        • Tomcat

          And don’t forget Bernie was able to buy a second home
          right after the elections. Maybe he should be entered into the investigations also.

          • danolgb

            Third home. He already had two.

  • June Gordon

    Me! Me! Me! Me!

  • lucadrian

    Is the comment section submerged in the ocean? Everything is quite salty here.

    • Tomcat

      As it should be. Why should we be happy about the events of the election being allowed to go forward?

  • Boreal
    • Brian

      ! Thanks for the AM laugh 😀

      I’ll probably cry a little about it later when I’m fully awake.

      • FAEN

        Coffee makes everything better boo.

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    • Lizard

      BAM

    • FAEN

      SNAP!

    • Sadly, I don’t expect anyone delusional enough to vote for Stein in the first place to ever admit they were wrong. Sarandon and company are as loony as the libertarians. They fucked America and will never feel any guilt about it because THIS is exactly what they wanted. If they can’t have everything they want then the rest of us can just drop dead. Fuck you Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon and the rest of your Putin-loving idiot brigade.

  • JT

    What a fucking stupid, self-serving, lying, immoral bitch.

    • AJD

      Yeah, but a petulant, childish Stein supporter (redundant though that phrase may be) would just say “Well, that describes $hillary perfectly!”

      • Reality.Bites

        Now now, no need to speak for them. I’m sure we’ll be hearing from them soon enough. And all fucking day long.

  • Boreal

    Now, now, I think we’re russian to judgement.

    http://images.dailykos.com/images/330928/story_image/flynn.jpg?1479834100

  • Dejerrity

    I can’t even look at her anymore, the monster who gave us Trump.

  • kaydenpat

    $$$. I assume there is some form of grifting that Dr. Stein is engaging in because she knows she will never be President.

  • geoffalnutt

    Stein-n-Pootie-poot. We’ve got the picture to prove it. She may end up being a Russian agent, after all. Watch her closely.

  • I could give a rat’s toenail about Stein. I’m more concerned about (supposedly 14%) of the gay community that voted for Trump. They’re as ignorant as the goobers that thought they would get their coal mining jobs back. But, they’re worse than the miners. They’re traitors to their own gay brothers and sisters for helping bring the Trump cancer and plague to this country.

    • Reality.Bites

      Whoever one is, anyone who voted for Trump is basically a traitor to the human race.

      There is no one who truly benefits from a Trump presidency. Not even the 1%. In exchange for a meaningless increase in their net worth they have made the world a far more dangerous place for everyone.

      I’ve personally benefited from the stock market’s performance since the election, but I was doing well beforehand. Since he’s done virtually nothing, it’s difficult to claim he has anything to do with the rise, but even if I could credit it to him, so what? For me it’s clearly not an amount worth even considering giving him my support. I’m not an overly avaricious person. I had everything I reasonably needed beforehand, if not everything I wanted. I guess the limits of my greed would be lofts in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, London and Toronto with a staff I never had to see or speak to (robots would be fine too). Their task would be ensuring I never need to pack, do laundry, make my bed, pick up my dirty clothes, wash dishes or shop in person for groceries, medications or household goods.

      So basically, I’d want a way to have all the benefits of childhood without having to feel guilty that someone is doing all this for you.

      There are other tasks I don’t have a problem with – doing my own cooking or driving, shopping for clothes, tech, entertainment, furniture, art, etc. But there is a fatal flaw in the whole thing.

      While I never expect to have enough money to do all of this, it could easily be accomplished on a relatively modest amount of wealth. I haven’t priced it, but I’m pretty sure you could do it with a net worth of somewhere in the neighbourhood of $20-50 million. I mean modest compared to the 1%, of course.

      The fatal flaw is that I am my father’s son. And I will never have enough money to willingly pay for airport parking. 😉

      I acknowledge that other people’s greed limits may be much larger than mine. Not $1-2 million dollar lofts in five cities, but mansions and ski lodges and private planes. Fine. Not here to judge the extent of anyone else’s greed.

      But the financial difference between having a Trump in power and a sane Republican or a Democrat or even a Sanders, is the difference on my dream of having to rent in San Francisco instead of buying. For the superwealthy, even if it means a huge increase in wealth, the difference is, for them, anywhere from the equivalent of having to get a hamburger rather than a cheeseburger for those who need to watch every penny, to getting a 65″ TV versus a 55″ for those of us of middle income.

      Nothing worth, even for a minute, considering putting so many people in danger, including the very real possibility that the person is yourself.

      This is the moral level of a non-idiot, non-hating Trump supporter. The kind of person who would sell out the human race for cheese on a hamburger. When someone tells you they’re a Trump supporter, and you know firsthand that they’re intelligent and not a bigot, this is what they are telling you they are.

    • I agree with you, but I would like to point out that traditionally Republican candidates for president get 23-25% of the gay vote. 14% is a huge drop, so at least there were fewer gay people who voted for Trump than voted for Romney or McCain.

      • Agree, McCain and Romney received even a higher percentage of the gay vote and that boggles my mind and makes me wonder what kind of gay would vote for them. I legally married my partner in 2013 after being together for 25 years. DADT is history thanks to a Dem. Apparently, these kind of things aren’t important to them. So, seems to me, it must be a special kind of greed if the determining factor is their stock portfolio and they’re fellow gays be damned.

        • In my attempts at discussions with homocons, it seems that the one thing they all have in common is a deep abiding hatred of anything liberal. Some were raised in conservative families and continue the family tradition probably in an effort to stay in the good graces (and stay in the will) of their hateful right wing relatives. Others are former left-wingers. Yes, that sounds odd but there are a lot of people on the far left that used to be far right and vice versa. I’ve never understood why they just can’t correct by moving a bit to the center. Plenty of us did, but that would imply that they are reaction rationally and not emotionally to politics and the world we live in. So basically when you talk to a homocon for any length of time you’ll get a Breitbart sounded “liberals hate America” line of bullshit. They see everyone left of them as American-hating communists bent on destroying western civilization. And btw what they mean by western civilization is white supremacy, not the preservation and enjoyment of the works of Shakespeare, Mozart and Rembrandt.

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    Id love to know how much right wing and russian money was donated to steins campaign to keep it viable and running long enuf to fuck up the election.

    • Michael R

      Maybe we’ll find out , maybe she will be
      drawn into the Russian investigation .

      • canoebum

        I think she is up to her neck in Kremlin money. She’s no less a traitor than the Orange Menace himself.

      • Tomcat

        She was at the Putin dinner Flynn was at so yes, she might.

      • Gerry Fisher

        Please oh please oh please oh PLEASE!

    • Misutaa Roboto

      And if she had gotten her way early on and gotten Bernie Sanders to take her place on the Green ticket, then Trump would have won by a larger margin with a much higher degree of certainty. It was extremely clear that during the election she was doing everything she could to make sure Hair Furor won, and then pulled some half-hearted “Oh, we need a recount now” bullshit to cover her ass with liberals, and possibly to cash in a bit more as soon as it was clear he had.

  • SDG

    What an ego!

  • joe ho

    2000. 2016. Why American Green Partiers should be regarded as pariahs. They sabotage real, incremental progressive change. They are evil. They should be rounded up, put on an island, and nuked.

    • Reality.Bites

      That’s environmentally unfriendly. They should be rounded up, put on an island, and composted.

    • Ninja0980

      Not only that but they help ensure any gains made are erased with far right judges.

  • Funbud

    She’s just like the useless Ralph Nader. He never thinks he did anything wrong, either.

  • GayOldLady

    Stein is Naziating.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Why would she? She is the flip side of the same coin with the shit gibbon. She has no leadership quality nor does she has the expanded view of multiple policies that are inclusive of all Americans. Her narrowly define agenda does not qualify her to run on a national platform. She should stay regional within a community base. Stay in the kids table until you are mature Jilly.

  • aagold76 .

    I’m really tired of hearing Bernie was sabotaged…what did the Clinton campaign do to him that Obama didn’t do to Hillary or McCain in 80, or Romney in 12? EVERY campaign seeks to ‘sabotage’ beat, destroy the opposition- GROW THE FUCK UP!

    • Tomcat

      Bernie should NEVER have been allowed to run as a Democrat in the first place. HE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT PERIOD.

      • Tomcat

        The Democratic party had an obligation to elect a Democrat at the primaries. Why do people think they owed Bernie anything at all since he was not a Democrat before and is not a Democrat after the election? He is just one more of the reasons we have trump as King in Trumpmerica right now.

      • petewestcentral

        It was kind of funny how I dropped any further criticisms with the Democratic Party in 2016. I voted for Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general. But in the process some light finally dawned on my life-long pattern of voting for losers in Democratic primaries: I’m not a Democrat. It was freeing.

        • Oh’behr in Minnesota

          As a Minnesota DFL’er, who likes very progressive candidates, I don’t feel like a national Democrat. They’re often rather conservative. Though I’ll still vote for the choices. I wish they’d go for more than center right.

    • Ish

      And yet you’re not tired of hearing the same about Hillary? Lol

  • OdieDenCO

    go to hell stein! I will never forgive you for promising a recount and allowing it to be shut down before it every got started.

  • joe ho

    Myths that cost democrats the presidential election:
    1. The Myth of the All-Powerful Democratic National Committee
    2. The Myth That Sanders Would Have Won Against Trump

    http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

  • sacrob

    Last time I checked, it wasn’t a crime to run for president in a democracy. Of course, we don’t have a democracy. We have a pro-corporate partisan duopoly — the Coke Party and the Pepsi Party, which most can’t tell apart…

    • joe ho

      If you can’t tell the difference between democrats and republicans then you’re an imbecile–which apparently you are.

      Now go dress up as Che Guevara and play in rush hour freeway traffic, together with STein and Slurandon.

      • Romero

        What do you expect? People who say “both parties are the same” are intellectually lazy and just all around ill-informed. It’s taking the easy way out by saying “both parties are the same” because it would require those morons to do actual research on democratic candidates. They’re just anti-democratic party. So they either don’t vote at all or they throw their vote away to some irrelevant green-party loser. Like Jill Stein!

      • sacrob

        Che Guevara, Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon have much bigger balls than you’ll ever dream of having, sellout. The Dems and HRC (that would be both Hillary Rodham Clinton AND the Human Rights Campaign) sell you out to the corporations and you obey them like the chickens obeying Colonel Sanders, fool.

        • joe ho

          lol. Che’s Marxism worked out great, didn’t it? Stein, Slurandon, and dickweeds like are living in a fantasy world, unconnected to how politics really works. They don’t have balls. They’re spoiled children whining when they don’t get their way. Then they go off to pout.

          You narcissistic, childish imbeciles need to be rounded up on an island and nuked. The US is not going to turn into a socialist worker’s paradise. Meanwhile you shitstains undermine real, incremental progressive change. You are an abomination. You are disgusting.

    • Boreal

      Downvoted for stupidity, and as for your avatar, YOU are not with the resistance if you think both parties are the same.
      Derp.

      • sacrob

        I’ll tell you what’s stupid: The Dems ran a candidate, Billary Clinton, whose approval rating was only barely higher than that of Pussygrabber’s — both had historically low approval ratings for presidential candidates — and thus the Dems, who had screwed over the much more popular Bernie Sanders, lost the election to DONALD TRUMP.

        THAT’S stupidity.

    • Carl

      People who say there’s no difference are just too lazy to apply themselves and aren’t worth arguing with.

      • sacrob

        There isn’t zero difference, but there’s not enough of a difference. Sure, the Dems are great about talking up identity issues, since their corporate funders don’t mind that (it doesn’t really cut into their profits), but the planet still gets hotter and hotter and income inequality still gets worse and worse.

        I don’t care that some Dem supports us LGBTs. They get CREDIT for NOT being ignorant haters? REALLY?

        I care much more about the fact that we are the frog in the water that’s coming to a boil than I do about juvenile identity politics.

        • Carl

          Stop saying identity politics when you mean civil rights. This is an lgbt blog, for fuck’s sake. Take that shit somewhere else.

    • stevenj

      If one would take the time to read each parties platform one could tell.

      • sacrob

        Yeah, there is the platform and then there is what actually happens, which is that climate change continues, income inequality continues, the criminal justice system still is broken, etc., etc.

        Promises don’t equal actual accomplishments, and both parties exist only to serve their corporate funders. Get your head out.

  • Tomcat

    WHY was she at the Putin dinner party? Was she a plant to help destroy Hillary?
    I say yes, she was.

    • bzrd

      In the article she states the russkis offered to pay for her trip but she turned them down. BUT, curious minds want to know, is it legal for her campaign to pay which she stated it did, WTF

  • Hanwi

    I don’t blame her at all, the people who voted for her on the other hand….

  • Bryan

    Ugh: “In some ways, Trump is one of the best things to happen to this country because look at how many people are getting off their posteriors,’ says Sherry Wells, the Green Party’s Michigan chairwoman. ‘So part of me is giggling.'”

    • netxtown

      About everybody likes a little ass. But I don’t know anybody that likes a giggling ass.

    • joe ho

      Typical psychological denial. She’s oblivious to the consequences of her stupidity. A federal judiciary which will strike down progressive legislation for a whole generation.

    • robindaybird

      “Who cares if everyone’s at risk of war and dying due to a lack of healthcare if it means more people might vote green”

  • FUCK JILL STEIN with Donald Trump’s dick!

  • Tomcat

    Well isn’t that nice that both she and Bernie don’t feel bad about helping elect trump.
    And yet over 50% of Americans feel bad they did.

  • Tomcat

    The only thing wrong with the Democratic party is it is full of TRAITORS.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Everybody who qualifies has the right to run for President. That said, I find it sketchy as fuck she’s at the same dinner table as Flynn, don’t consider her qualified and wonder what the hell she did with the money used to try to recount some of the states. If I was a Green Party member (which I’m not), I’d definitely want some answers before I’d ever touch GP again.

  • Tomcat

    Jill Swine!

  • Tomcat

    What the GOP does best is DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
    They started at the grass root level and worked up to the national level.
    Hate when stirred up constantly can be a WMD.

  • JDS
  • Gabe Davis

    Those that voted for her, could not stomach either Adolph Trumpler or Hillary Clinton, so they voted third party. I have lots of Republican and Democratic friends tell me that why they voted for Stein.

    • Reality.Bites

      Then you have lots of friends who are idiots.

  • Chris Gardner

    This just further corroborates my thought that the Green Party doesn’t really care about the election or how Republican policies will damage this country.

    For them, it’s all about trying to get that 5% of the vote threshold so they can get campaign financing money. That’s why they spend so much time trying to get people to think the Dems and Repubs are the same.

  • MonochromeMouse

    Of course she has no regrets, she was in on the collusion with Russia from the beginning.

    • Gigi

      Was she? Where’s the evidence of that? If being seen in public with someone means you’re “colluding” with them then I’m colluding with the Prime Minister of Canada.

      • Reality.Bites

        Was it an invitation-only event attended mainly by crooks?

        • robindaybird

          Not to mention praising Putin for being progressive while vicious anti-gay laws are rolled out and nationalists were murdering lgbts with little interference from the police

      • MonochromeMouse

        She was caught on camera meeting with Putin and Flynn, that’s more than enough evidence that she is at the very least an accessory to the collusion if not an accomplice. There’s a reason the three of them were at the same table, that doesn’t just happen.

        • Gigi

          I’m no fan of Stein, or Flynn for that matter, but “the three of them were at the same table” isn’t proof that of anything other than that they were at the same table. It’s not proof of collusion.

      • BoyLovesDaddy

        Do you have pics? 😉

    • Friday

      Quite possibly she was simply duped for free into helping Putins’ trols’ strategy.

    • Jerry Kott

      I still would like to know the reason she is seated at the same table with Putin and Flynn at the event in Russia?

      • MikeSEA

        Seriously, can someone please explain the love the Green Party has for Russia? What is happening in that country revolts me; Russians deserve better. Why did/does Jill Stein condone Thug Putin’s actions?

        • Jerry Kott

          I would also love to know. Maybe Muller should be checking into her relationship with Putin and Flynn.

  • Gigi

    If you’re a Green and you voted for a Green party member, while I might not agree with your choice, I support your decision. If on the other hand you voted Green or worse, Republican, because you were angry and wanted to “stick it” to the Democratic party I say, “You’re a POS and I hope every stupid Trump tweets feels like a stab in the gut!?

  • Gerry Fisher

    Mr. Mueller…calling Mr. Mueller!

    • Gerry Fisher

      Stein didn’t just run against Hillary: she demonized her. With no apology or regret, and with great enthusiasm, she added her voice to a chorus of others that manufactured an incredible lie, turning the most qualified candidate in the history of our country into an illegitimate hack.

      Should she ever make amends, I’d like to think I’m big enough to forgive Stein. However, I want her to face consequences for what she did.

      • CB

        Dare to dream.

  • Halou

    Is Stein and her lot still nagging Democrats over Hillary being a “warmonger” who wants to bomb Syria? I can’t think of any recent and not-so-recent developments in this area that would leave her looking like a fool. /s

  • downtownla

    I would never vote for Stein or Nader, but instead of just simply blaming their supporters, maybe the Democrats should consider adopting some of the policies that these candidates espouse. Maybe that might attract more of their supporters next time and we wouldn’t be in this mess.

    • Friday

      The dumb thing is that come down to it, neither Bernie nor Stein’s campaigns never actually spent much time getting progressive messages out to broader segments of the population, just spent all their ime helping the Right demonize Hillary and maybe preached to the choir. Hillary *was* the way to get progressive policies *done,* or at least hold the line until we could get the Republicans out of control of Congress. Instead we got this shitshow.

      The only thing a third party Presidential run can be good for in the US is getting things into the debate, then working *not* to be the spoiler for your own side.

      • downtownla

        Clinton and the Democrats didn’t need the Bernie voters. They just needed the Obama voters and not even all of them, just a higher percentage of them. Unfortunately, African American turnout dropped this time around. Sure, Obama brought out records because of his background. But maybe Hillary should have nominated a person of color to the ticket. If she had, she could have gotten more than enough voters to make up for those extreme left who would never vote for a Democrat.

    • robindaybird

      a good chunk of those supporters wouldn’t vote D even if they’re given a million dollars and a seat on congress – they’re purity voters who never find a candidate good enough for them.

      Secondly, Clinton adopted the most liberal platform the party ever had, and yet the Berniebros and Stein’s Swines prefer to attack Clinton over getting their own agendas elected.

      Thirdly, In reality – get out of the West Coast, Get out of New England, America doesn’t lean left, it leans right, it’s one of the more conservative leaning first world countries (thanks to Rotten Ronnie), you have to get the moderates who are pro-lgbt, pro-choice, but are skeptical of socialism due to a half century or more of demonization. Stein and Sanders didn’t do this, they only speak to their fanbase, Sanders trashed Democrats, Steins just tweeted insults of Clinton while Praising Ex-KGB Thug Putin.

      • downtownla

        True, a good number of them would never vote for a Democrat. However, there were enough Obama voters out there to win. And given the demographic changes (with older white voters dying out), it was actually a bigger pool in 2016 than 2008. The votes are there to win if the Democrats nominate someone inspiring. Yes, the Democrats had a progressive platform, but the voters don’t see that. And if they did, they certainly didn’t believe that Hillary believed those ideas. In fact, she openly mocked many of them. So why would voters believe that once elected she would fight for them? As for your geographic assumptions, I am from Michigan and spent all of last spring in central PA, central WI and Michigan. I was even active in the Republican party in MI, so I know those people. When was the last time you spent so much time in that region? As for socialism, here’s an article… https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2016/02/05/millennials-have-a-higher-opinion-of-socialism-than-of-capitalism/?utm_term=.09b213a6723d

    • Blake Paine

      People had a choice between letting Donald Trump select Supreme Court Justices or Clinton. They got what they deserved.

      Again i’m old, watching morons shoot themselves in the foot is one of those pleasures that never diminishes

  • jerrydoubleu .

    when i look at these comments i get the impression you guys got the drubbing you deserved.

  • Robert Adams

    Consider this idea: “It is always about power”.

    That will help explain people like Jill Stein, people who lack whatever it is that would allow them to succeed in reaching their goals. So in order to feel as if they have some control over their situation they engage in disruptive behavior, ruining it for everyone else. Kids do this by making funny noises in the back of a classroom or interfering in other ways.

    Adults like Jill Stein follow the Dog-in-the-Manger scenario. “If I can’t have it, no one can.”

    Consider how powerful that makes her feel, because now she finally matters.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Stein and her hoisters are no different than Trumpers.

  • joe ho

    The hard truth about liberals and voting.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/opinion/voter-turnout-democrats-republicans.html

    “If liberals voted at the same rate as conservatives, Hillary Clinton would be president. Even with Donald Trump’s working-class appeal, Clinton could have swept Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

    “If liberals voted at the same rate as conservatives, Democrats would control the Senate. Clinton or Barack Obama could then have filled the recent Supreme Court vacancy, and that justice would hold the tiebreaking vote on campaign finance, labor unions and other issues.

    “If liberals voted at the same rate as conservatives, the country would be doing more to address the two defining issues of our time — climate change and stagnant middle-class living standards. Instead, Trump is making both worse.

    After all, polls show that a majority of Americans support progressive positions on most big issues. Yet Republicans dominate state and federal government.

    Turnout is a big reason. Last year, Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 voted for Clinton over Trump in a landslide. Only 43 percent of citizens in that age group voted, however. By contrast, Americans over age 65 supported Trump — and 71 percent of them voted. Similarly, Americans in their 30s were more likely to support Clinton, and less likely to vote, than those in their 50s.

    The pattern also exists across ethnic groups. Asian and Hispanic voters went for Clinton in a bigger landslide than millennials, but most Asian and Hispanic citizens didn’t vote.

    “And the gaps grow even larger in midterm elections. A mere 17 percent — 17 percent! — of Americans between 18 and 24 voted in 2014, compared with 59 percent of seniors.

    “What can be done? First, don’t make the mistake of blaming everything on nefarious Republicans. Yes, Republicans have gerrymandered districts and shamefully suppressed votes (and Democrats should keep pushing for laws that make voting easier). But the turnout gap is bigger than any Republican scheme.

    “Second, keep in mind that turnout is a human-behavior problem. It involves persuading people to change long-established habits. And there is a powerful force uprooting all kinds of habits today: digital technology.

    “My instinct is that the answer for Democrats involves a passionate message of fairness — of providing jobs, lifting wages, protecting rights and fighting Trump’s plutocracy. It can be bolder than Democrats have been in decades. But it should not resemble a complete progressive wish list, which could turn off swing voters without even raising turnout.”

  • JWC

    Discussions on Stein and Sanders are academic The cudda shudda wouddas will die out in time The fact remains it was a dinna We have a far more important cause and that is to remove the orange stain from the WH To remove the NYC Clampetts

    • What isn’t academic is that, to be honest, Jill Stein isn’t any better than Trump. She’s a loonie whose policies are based in extremist ideology rather than facts and logic, and has absolutely no idea how to run government, and cares more about getting her name out there than actually running the country– or her own party, for that matter.

      • JWC

        the end result Trump or stein we still have an idiot to deal with

  • Bobbie Jo Justice

    Steinbots, berniebots and naderbots, (or as I call them republican collaborators), when faced with a choice of a far reich neocon like trump or a more moderate person like clinton, will do their part to ensure that the far reich neocon wins every time.

    Not to worry, “progressives” believe that the 3% of the vote that nader got in 2000/2004 and the 3% that stein got in 2016 are somehow, magically, going to become an overwhelming unstoppable majority any second now, yup, any second now.

    The system is nothing but a 2 party system, and will be for years/decades to come. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

    I’ve had quite enough of the republican collaborators, or as they call themselves stein voters, bernie voters and nader voters.

  • Babaloo

    The only people more stupid than Jill Stein are the ones who voted for her.

  • Green Parties around the world, especially in Russia, loathe Jill Stein. She makes a mockery of Green Party principles.

    She claims she paid her own way to Russia in 2015 and is happy to discuss why she was there (but then refuses to discuss it). Yet she only released the two page summary of her taces for one year, as Trump didn’t, but won’t release the itemized schedules. She downplays Russia, defends Putin, and the 2016 Green Party platform was Putin’s wet dream.

    I hope the truth comes out soon enough fo her to spend the rest of her life reviled by everyone she ever cared about.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      True that. Even here in Canada she’s looked at with jaundiced eyes.

  • tchowski

    Let us not forget the whiny little Bernie baby bitches who spent a year filling my facebook page with anti-Hillary propaganda. How’s that free college workin’ out for ya?

  • Vinny DeFeo

    She is tied to Putin, enough said.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Her and 45 both; it does make you wonder.

  • andrew

    Unlike Jill Stein, decent people have regrets when they help bring about a disaster.

  • Jim Maloney

    ‘Defiance’ and delusion. Her and Trump seem to be cut from the same cloth.

  • nocadrummer

    “I’ve been dying to tell you what I thought of you! And now… well, being a Christian woman, I can’t say it!”

    • JCF

      Thx, Auntie Em.

  • Ah, Jill Stein. Not only is she a sell-out, she’s also a fucking loonie.

  • justmeeeee

    Shouldn’t the Hill-bots be the ones to apologize to us for ruining everything? YEAH, THEY SHOULD!!!!

    • I’m not apologizing for voting for the best candidate in the election– including all of the ones that participated in the primaries.

      Sanders was nothing but a left-leaning Trump-lite. The third party candidates were fucking loonies who had no idea how to run a party, never mind the country. The Republican candidates were all hidebound to more and more extreme positions.

      Hillary was the only one who offered a sane and rational plan for moving America forwards towards a more equal society.

      And the majority of American voters voted for her. It was only a quirk of the electoral college system that caused her to lose.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      No, they shouldn’t. They were right, you were wrong. Besides, you’re thrilled 45 won, so you really don’t have anything to complain about….or are you Sarandoning?

  • trouble94114

    is it a coincidence that her hair in that photo is the exact same shade as some of the rocks outside that window.

    • TuuxKabin

      They fell out of her head.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Go away you vapid cow, isn’t there a pasture you can go graze in while adults try to fix the fuckery you help cause. Begone you bourgeois babbling, bumbling, Putin butt kissing, blathering baboon.

  • I’m no fan of Stein, and as a Canadian I obviously wasn’t able to vote at all, but it seems to me the blame for Trump’s election lies first and foremost with Trump voters.

  • Jack Frost

    I wont be reading the article. Stein, much like her voters don’t want to hear anything about reality. Even after Nadar came out and told people they would be diluting the Dem votes enough to elect trump they then attacked HIM! Claiming he was bought by Clinton.

  • JCF
  • DevineBovine

    Jill Stein for President!

  • PiperPine

    I want to stress before I say anything else that I don’t believe for a second the Green Party cost Secretary Clinton the election because people who Vote Green don’t always vote Democratic and frankly Clinton did a poor job trying to win Green supporters over ( there were a lot of other factors that cost her the election as well). So I find it unreasonable to ascribe the loss to them (I feel the same about 2000 and Florida though there the case has a bit more credibility due to the close margin).

    I also think the Green Party is a legitimate political movement and party and one of the six major political parties and deserves a lot more respect. I think there needs to be massive reform in ballots and voting in general and for the two party system to end. I also think the Green Party should work harder to get mayorships, governor seats and in local state legislators and into congress and not focus on 1600 PA Ave. but that’s an opinion on tactics.

    However, I despise Apple Cart Tipper philosophy. The idea that an extreme upset will truly cause long term political change rarely happens and it more often leads to a lot of vulnerable people getting hurt. Maybe Trump will push the nation more leftward but the short term and long term damage is significant.

    On top of that Dr. Stein is a garbage fire of a woman. She has openly opined the idea that wifi causes cancer. She’s coddled 9/11 truthers. Further her comments and stance on vaccines and the FDA have been conspiracy mongering lunacy. This is setting aside her happy glee at supporting a group that released the names, addresses, and phone numbers of children who were rape victims (some as young as eight) to the general public. Stein has sullied the Green Party and infected it with a toxic cloud of anti-vaxxers and conspiracy mongers. So I do think Dr. Stein should be pilloried by the left for opening the door to that and allowing a major party to be infested with such detritus. However, the Green Party seems almost happy to keep praising her while they necrotize on this disgusting slop so thanks Dr. Stein for poisoning a major political party I guess?

    What I really love is how much money she raked in over the recount and then proceeded not spend on her legal fees and then hid through multiple legal shell groups so no one can point exactly to where that money went. One wonders who many nongmo martinis she’s been sipping using that money. Yes to be clear I just accused Dr. Stein of stealing millions from anguished leftists.

    I suppose my point is its not a surprise Dr. Stein would try to snag some gleeful credit at this nonsense. She loves trying to take credit for things. I just don’t think its warranted and her reasons for glee only work if you’re rich and white enough not to deal with the direct consequences.

  • billbear1961

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/c3Qhx2ON8RE/hqdefault.jpg

    “The U.S. is so flawed!”–a basic paraphrase of Stein in Russia, criticizing the U.S. while saying NOT ONE WORD about the murderous crimes of her tyrannical GANGSTER host, world-wide democracy’s single greatest enemy.

    You did your Kremlin master proud, helping get his puppet elected to the presidency, you evil, two-faced FRAUD.

    Where’s all the money you collected for the RECOUNTS that didn’t take place, you disgusting THIEF?!

    Don’t worry–the “news” media won’t hold you accountable. The corporations that control them are just as CROOKED.

    Roast in hell!!

    https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_22/1955941/170405-putin-flynn-dinner-jhc-1700_9121372097e5ea9e24a31d275df4466c.nbcnews-fp-1200-800.jpg

    Stein helping to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Russia Today, a Russian propaganda network, funded by the Putin regime, that the net has the fucking GALL to call a “news channel.”

  • Progressives in the USA are their own worst enemy. As long as they continue to in-fight and eat their young we are lost. The Green partyin many countries is respectable and has it’s shit together, here in Brasil it has managed (so far) to stay out of most of this ridiculous corruption. Just here my little town, we have council members that are Greens, there is even 1/2 a chance that the next President here maybe a Green… but in Os States, nope…the progressives can’t join forces, continue to fight amongst themselves, do not vote and then loose…

  • Commentator8

    It’s easier to blame Jill Stein than to blame the DNC for rigging the primary and costing us the White House.

    But yeah, keep eating those sour grapes and learn NOTHING from the election.

    Progressives can win, that should be the lesson