Spicer On Whether Trump Might Fire Mueller: Every Appointee Serves At The Pleasure Of The President

The Hill reports:

The top White House spokesman on Monday did not directly answer a question about whether President Trump supports Rod Rosenstein amid speculation that the deputy attorney general may have to recuse himself from overseeing an investigation into Russian election meddling.

“The president has confidence in everyone who serves in this administration,” press secretary Sean Spicer said when asked by a reporter if Trump has confidence in Rosenstein. Spicer added that every political appointee “serves at the pleasure of the president.”

Spicer noted on Monday that while the authority lies with the deputy attorney general to fire Mueller, all political appointees in the government ultimately report to Trump. The reporter asked Spicer if Trump would keep firing Justice Department employees until he found someone willing to replace Mueller.

“That’s a hypothetical question,” Spicer responded. “The bottom line is I answered a question as to how the system is set up.”


  • Todd20036

    No one serves at this president’s pleasure.
    People in this regime are serving themselves, at best.
    They SHOULD be serving the country, but we all know how that’s not happening.

    • JWC

      Trump is doing his damndest to pay off Putin before he gets a plutonium popscile Fuck America

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    No, they don’t.

  • Buford

    I’ll state the obvious… just because it’s technically legal doesn’t make it acceptable. Technically, it’s legal for Trump to call Angela Merkel a hot piece of tail while wearing a ‘Fuck This Shit’ t-shirt during the SOTU address, but he’d be kicked to the curb post-haste if he did so.

    See how that works…?

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      Except with our current Congress, he would NOT be kicked to the curb.

  • OT, but why aren’t there recording devices/cameras during this briefing?

    • Ernest Endevor

      Because. You’re welcome.

    • Rex

      Sean spent the weekend kissing his Daddy’s ass and he has a rash.

    • They’re tired of the press accurately reporting this Administration’s ridiculously obvious lies. They want to turn everything into “press says / we say” with no objective record to prove this WH lies about frickin’ everything.

    • bkmn

      Because CNN has not kissed enough Trump loving asses.

  • Lazycrockett

    He’s afraid to fire Mueller cause next in line is Rachel Brand, a woman and we know how Drumpf thinks of women.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    I am not watching. Has anyone asked about the 7 Navy personnel killed or who the vessels crashed? Has anyone asked about the violent attack and murder at a Mosque in Virginia? Has anyone asked about the latest terror attack in the UK?

    Death kind of trumps this stupid dance about Trump’s latest coy pronouncements. “I will make an announcement about the tapes at some point in the future…” Fuck you Trump and fuck you Spicer. The trail of bodies is getting larger.

    • Rex

      No one is watching. No recording of the press conference today.

      • And the WH escalates its complete disdain for informing the American public by way of a free press.

        • JWC

          its what Adolf did

          • It’s what every fascist authoritarian regime does: Undermine the truth, then kill it off entirely.

          • JWC

            in Hitlers time it was radio telephonne telegraph and newspaper Harder for those who wanted facts to get them Its interesting how that will play out in todays world For now Donny still works for the American public

      • Skokieguy [Larry]

        I knew that, not sure on the right words, for ‘not paying attention to what is happening”

        • Rex

          How about “I actually have a life and can’t spend every minute monitoring what insane thing this nutcase does next, so I may have missed it but did he…?”

          • Skokieguy [Larry]

            A lot of words, but that’s about right.

    • As Rex says, no recordings. Not only have they shut off the cameras, they’re banning recording devices.

      If this sounds incredibly fascist, it’s because it is.

      • Skokieguy [Larry]

        Press announces: “Spicer admists Trump is an asshole”. “Melania will be moving back to New York, considering divorce”. “Russian tapes prove President is inadequate, penis-wise, Putin laughs about Trump’s penis, which is much, much smaller than President Obama’s.

        Iff there’s no public record, then truth no longer matters. That is the message Trump and his administration are giving the American public. We will admit we published pranks to prove our point.

        Plus, there’s always the bonus of seeing Trump in full twitter ragegasms.

        • boatboy_srq

          This maladministration takes “He Said / She Said” to an entirely new and unfamiliar level.

          That said, though, it’s an amazing opportunity for radical press to publish salacious accusations and ridiculous statements and credit them to the spokesbots – and dare the maladministration to refute the statements sans recordings.

          • Skokieguy [Larry]

            Essentially a Michael Savage or Alex Jones (or Ann Coulter or Sarah Palin, or Michell Bachman, the list of examples is sooooo long) but of the left.

          • Dicky

            I think those mouthpieces already exist, except rather than aiming at right-affiliated person’s, their aim is mostly on left-affiliated persons closer to the middle in apparent purity tests. They worked lots last administration and during the election. There is even a recent op-ed on the positive aspects of the reported fragmentation of the Democratic party.

  • Judas Peckerwood

    “Donald Trump is your lord and master, and any who question his power and bigliness will be utterly destroyed.”

  • This then says the unavoidable conclusion is DoJ positions should never be political appointees, due to the contempt for justice being displayed by this administration.

  • Ninja0980

    Yea, that’s not how it works asshole and you know it.

    • ted-

      His lips are asshole deep in that orange hole.

  • Rex

    Here’s a hypothetical question for ya, Sean, if Trump’s found guilty as all hell are you still gonna cover for him?

    • Yes, because even if he’s found guilty he’s not and never has been plus there are not now and never have been any investigations as to his or his campaign’s or his administration’s wrongdoings. Next question.

      • JWC

        My inner feeling are that Kelly Ann or Sphincter Only express loyalty because they have to If #45 is out you will here their true feelings

        • Todd20036

          The only things Kelly Anne feels is greed, envy, and lost vanity

          • KAC is basically the worst kind of political mercenary: The kind with no loyalty or moral center…and I’m amazed Donald hasn’t clued in on the first half of that. The minute it’s to her benefit to turn on him, she will. For now, she remains adjacent to the center of power and that’s what she wants.

          • Natty Enquirer

            Perhaps Trump recognizes her ruthlessness and admires the way it reflects his modus operandi.

          • If he believes Conway will be loyal to him, he’s obviously forgotten how fast she turned on Cruz, despite working for him.

        • Natty Enquirer

          The first thing they will do is run to book publishers (if they are not in the pokey with Dear Leader).

          • The first thing a lot of ’em are going to be doing is running to the prosecutors to try to cut deals as they flip one by one. Only it’s already just about too late.

          • kelven

            This is my other speculation. Drumpf may refuse to resign and the GOP may refuse to impeach, but as soon as the first indictments are announced, they will all be rushing to throw each other under the bus. I CAN’T WAIT!!!

        • Acronym Jim

          Yes, let’s not forget KAC bashing Trump when she was working for the Cruz campaign.

          • JWC

            Kelly Ann could “spin ” a rapist if the price was right

    • Todd20036

      Kelly Ann sure will

  • Gustav2

    If the president could directly fire Mueller, Nixon would not have had to go thru many people to get Bork to do his bidding.

    • Natty Enquirer

      The law provides that the special counsel is hired by the AG or Acting AG, who thus has the sole power to fire or replace.

      • Gustav2

        It really is that simple. They are muddying the water.

  • Jacob

    Ari Fleisher thanks you for retroactively making him appear to have balls.

  • another_steve

    I predict Trump will order Mueller to be fired.

    What does he have to lose? The support of the bona fide reputable news media? They already have zero respect for Trump. The support of the ten Democrats nationwide who like and respect the orange sexual predator?

    His base, on the other hand, will love Mueller’s being fired. They’ll eat it up.

    • Natty Enquirer

      It hinges on the question of whether any Republicans have a shred of conscience left.

      • Jonathan Smith

        he’s a gonner then.

        • Natty Enquirer

          Or maybe I should say “enough.” Who knows, McCain might find his remaining functioning ball in the end times.

          • Rex

            Ha! He’ll realize he’s been sitting on it the whole time!

      • safari

        They’ll let you know after they get close enough to passing their tax cut.

      • boatboy_srq

        Just three words required to refute that: “one term President.”

        • Jonathan Smith

          “Quarter term ShitGibbon”?

      • edrex

        god i hope not.

  • kelven

    This is just wild speculation mind you, but I’m wondering if maybe the reason Twitler hasn’t fired Mueller has to do with a certain tape which might “leak” if he does. As many have said, Drumpf is playing checkers and the IC is playing chess. We are watching the set up for check and mate and the sound and fury on the stage is to mask the panic and despair of team Trumplethinskin off stage. (He has the best nicknames… everyone says so.)

    • Perhaps. Or it just seems to me to be more likely it’s because firing Mueller will confirm the “pattern of behavior” required to prove an obstruction charge. Consider the sequence of events:

      1. Mueller begins investigation and appears to be quite serious about it, but there are virtually no leaks
      2. WH launches “Trump considering firing Mueller” trial balloon; it’s not well received seeing as how it looks, smells, and walks like attempted obstruction & conspiracy to cover up
      3. We get word that Mueller’s probe includes obstruction, thereby making his (theoretical) firing another confirmation of said obstruction

      Personally—and this is just my opinion here, not fact—I think this is Mueller trying to set things up so if he’s fired, one of the Congressional committees, probably Senate Intelligence, picks him up immediately as their special counsel and let him continue his work.

      • kelven

        Yes, you’re speculation is probably more likely. In either case, I’m in agreement that Meuller’s team are ready for any contingency including firing, and that is reflected in the way the Trumptrain is going off the rails with each new tweet.

    • bkmn

      And Putin has gotten most of what he wanted from Trump, so it will soon be time to eliminate evidence of his interference. Trump might not want to shake Putin’s hand the next time them meet.

  • Leo

  • Ninja0980

    For anyone who thinks Scalise’s anti-LGBT record shouldn’t be brought up, this is what would have happened to Crystal Griner’s wife if Scalise and his other bigoted Republicans (and Democrats) if they had their way.
    Kelly Glossip wasn’t thrown off a rooftop but religious bigotry killed him in the end just the same, it just it did with him losing everything and a broken heart.

  • PickyPecker

    OT: A nice distraction on a beautiful IL summer afternoon.

    This is a shot of a 75′ long x 5′ wide bed of Hemerocallis fulva or as we called them growing up ‘ditch daylilies’ that lines part of my driveway coming into the house area. (the tall white in the back of the bed is Valeriana officianalis (used to manufacture Valium – edit: corrected below by Natty Enquirer) which is just finishing up it’s blossom. Tallest are about 6.5′.

    This bed was planted c. 1932 by the family that owned the house at the time. When we bought the property in 2004, the bed had been kept mowed over for several decades and was overrun with grass and various weeds.

    So…..this year it is coming into full, spectacular glory after many years of trying not to make the area a chemical dump of herbicides. (besides, the use of ’roundup’-type products in our area by farmers for eons has made everything resistant.)

    Thought I would share….it is truly amazing what affect such a common plant in masses can achieve.
    I’m hoping to invite some of the kids who grew up in the house to visit soon.

    BTW: the pods (before opening) of the daylily flower are quite delicious and a regular staple in Asian cooking. A little butter; a little garlic in a saucepan…..MMMM. 🙂

    • stevenj

      Beautiful. Thanks for posting.

    • Gustav2

      We have about 5 feet of those day lilies. The previous owner of the house next door spent hours daily in her gardens, front and back yards. The new neighbor cut the day lilies down with his lawn mower so the day lilies escaped under the fence where they are free to bloom!

      • PickyPecker

        Try harvesting some of the pods when they’re just starting to show a little orange color and having as a side dish with dinner. Very tasty and wayyy high in fiber!.

        • Gustav2

          Free plants and food. Nothing wrong with that!

    • Natty Enquirer

      Diazepam is a synthetic drug. It starts with 5-chloro-isatoic anhydride, not herbs or flowers.

      • PickyPecker

        Good to know. Not being a chemist, is an easy mistake to make given the name (perhaps the pharaceutical business lifted part of it for Mother’s Little Helper?)
        Valerian root has long been used as an effective treatment for anxiety and sleep disorders and a host of other things.

    • Michael R

      your drag name is ” Ditch Lily “

      • Jessicagkilpatrick

        my best friend’s step-mother makes $85 hourly on the computer . She has been fired from work for nine months but last month her pay check was $17089 just working on the computer for a few hours. see it here ++++++++++

    • MassageBear

      The tallest my herocallis fulva get is close to six feet in height. Mine are two weeks away from blossoming.

    • AJ Drew

      Wow. With each pic you post, the more envious I become… gorgeous!

    • Rex

      I have a patch of these, get this, growing in the ditch in front of my house. You can’t kill them. I’ve never heard them called ditch lilies, I’ve always just called them daylilies.

    • Joe in PA

      Very cool. In our neck of the woods, they are often called shit-house lilies. ;( But that is cool that you revived the bed. When we dug the basement we needed a place to put all the subsoil…we then needed to cover it, I got a 30 yards of mushroom soil delivered and went to work planting ditch lilies. The thought was that they would control erosion and choke out weeds after a few years. Not true about the weeds. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/07947aa32bbb479553b673fcd0c00844a5fa9a839407c9c09d49a342e6e47afc.png But here is a pic of them in their hay day:

      • PickyPecker

        Great showing!! Yeah, they don’t choke out weeds all that well, but will survive just about anything. I once dug some up in a large clump and tossed them into a ‘mess bed’ upside-down, roots exposed and forgot about them. They blossomed the following year!

        Revitalizing beds and plantings is sortof a long-time passion of mine. Is like resurrecting the past. Used to have my own business providing that service to ‘estate’ type homes in the city. 🙂

        • Joe in PA

          Neat. I love that too, except around here I’m ‘rescuing’ the land from invasives. Grapevine, honeysuckle, multi-flora rose, barberry. That shit will kill trees. Sad!

          Oh, and by the way, I’m a member of the local daylily group, they don’t think much of the fulva variety. Snobs! You should check out some of new hybrids though…those mainline Philly folks spend hundreds of dollars on them. A new one I got last year for $5:


          • PickyPecker

            Lovely! I’ve got some red, mini-yellows and a few others struggling in an overgrown area. People (aka. greenhouse customers) keep bringing me bits and pieces of their daylilies (and other plants) for me to try. Tough to keep up sometimes. I used to belong to the Iris Society and the Dahlia society, but let the memeberships lapse as as I was extremely inactive).

    • fuzzybits

      We always called them “tiger lillies.”

      • PickyPecker

        I’ve heard that, too. I’ll post a pic of our Tiger Lily (Lilium lancifolium) round when they are in full bloom – you’ll see a big difference between the two, I promise. 🙂

    • Jerry

      The orange ones we always called “tiger lilies”.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Me too. 🙂

      • TuuxKabin
        • Jerry

          Actually, I was thinking more of early Woody Allen…


          • TuuxKabin

            Ummm, yeah. The stage production of the Tiger Lillies’ “Shockheaded Peter,” left a more lasting impression on me, saw it several times. Here’s a ditty from it:


          • paganguy

            Yep. That’s the one. I should have kept scrolling. 🙂

          • TuuxKabin

            Aren’t they wonderful!

        • paganguy

          I saw them in a staged production of that a number of years ago. It was marvelously weird and wonderful.

          • TuuxKabin

            We were so blown away by it we stood on line to get cancellations and/or last minute no shows. You describe it so well, marvelously weird and wonderful. We’d find ourselves repeating, dead, dead DEAD around the house. A really extreme sense of art. Wish it would come back.

          • paganguy

            I’ve seen a few other productions online and they didn’t seem to really capture the same sense of Grand Guignol. In the same vein, I was lucky enough to see Floyd King as de Sade in Wooly Mammoth’s production of Quills maaaaany years ago. Another production that just stuck with me.

          • TuuxKabin

            We appear to appreciate similar theatrical productions. I had to look up Wooly Mammoth. We have friends in D.C. will alert them to it, tho they probably already know about it, and maybe next trip to visit we’ll see something as dynamic as Marat Sade and Shockheaded Peter. Only saw the Glenda Jackson, RSC production on film, then at Williamstown many summers ago. Both memorable experiences. And Shockheaded Peter, pffft, easy to conjure at the drop of a hat.

    • hudson11

      Beautiful! Grandma had some of these in her garden though not as many nor as impressive. I was always enchanted with they came into flower and sad they lasted only 1 day. She had yellow ones as well that smelled of lemon (‘Hyperion’, I think). Even on the cold Saskatchewan prairies, these troopers flourished.

  • boatboy_srq

    Welcome to The Apprentice: Federal Edition.

    • stevenj

      With script changes hourly/daily.

      • boatboy_srq

        There is a script? Besides “you’re fired.”

        • Natty Enquirer

          Most successful entry in the new genre of Unreality Television.

        • stevenj

          lol I was using the word script very loosely.

        • ByronK

          I think this one is pure improv.

    • “LOCKUP: The Apprentice” would get much better ratings.

  • bkmn

    I encourage Trump to fire Mueller, it would turn Republicans against him. Mueller has served both Dem and Rep admins with honor.

  • MassageBear

    Well, at least Steve Scalise can be relieved to find out he wasn’t shot without reason.


  • ByronK

    “The president has confidence in everyone who serves in this administration…until they piss him of and then he doesn’t.”

  • Sam_Handwich
  • Reasonoverhate

    Why do they keep asking this? It’s been answered by the administration. At some point the press needs to stop trying to make news and report the facts of what’s actually going on!

  • boobert

    “serves at the pleasure of the president.”

    That’s sick !

  • billbear1961

    If Mueller is fired, the Congressional Democrats AND the public must REBEL–with large and relentless PROTESTS–against a CRIMINAL government’s attempt to overthrow the RULE OF LAW.

    Our allegiance is to the CONSTITUTION, the Supreme Law of the Land, that that treacherous BASTARD–like ALL officials in this country–SWORE to UPHOLD, and we must act to PROTECT it from any COUP launched by a would-be TYRANT and backed by that tyrant’s party in the Legislative branch.

    The Constitution is the Supreme Authority from which all government legitimacy flows. Violate that authority by obstructing JUSTICE and your legitimacy is FORFEIT–GONE!!

    Any further obstruction of justice CANNOT–MUST NOT–be TOLERATED!!

    This republic is one step away from degenerating into an authoritarian one-party state–a BANANA republic–led by a DICTATOR.


  • justme

    ..And Felonie Sphincter.
    The pResident serves at the discretion of the REAL VOTERS!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8440e66a3e4bb9b8cd1f56fab4753640ab3a824e3b6fe429bd3b0b4ceea2bb82.png

  • Jim Gallagher-Barker

    So, Seanie, since you’re interviewing your replacement, how’s that serving at the pleasure of the President working for you?