GERMANY: Green Party Demands Marriage Equality As Their Condition For Joining Coalition Government

Reuters reports:

Germany’s Greens are open to working with any party except the right-wing Alternative for Germany after a September vote but will list gay marriage as a condition, which could make it tricky to work with Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservatives.

The Greens, which also named climate protection as their price for participating in government, could be a kingmaker in three potential coalitions after the Sept. 24 election, although recent polls have shown their support slipping to between 6.5 and 8 percent after spending much of last year above 10 percent.

At their party congress in a velodrome in Berlin, the roughly 800 Greens delegates declared they would not sign a coalition deal unless it allowed gay marriage, a step up from the civil partnerships Germany has allowed since 2001.

“Unless the discrimination against lesbians and gays on this point ends, you can’t count on our cooperation,” said Greens politician Volker Beck, who proposed the motion.

  • PickyPecker
    • bambinoitaliano

      It might just work consider the stupid shit their followers have been lapping up the bullshit during the last election. Might even give the homo tempted bigots an excuse to suck dicks.

      • Sporkfighter

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        • UrsusArctos

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    • Todd20036

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    • JT

      First, it makes you take more and more clothes off. Then things begin to happen.
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      • Kruhn

        Damn you, Bel Ami and those damned sexy kids!

    • netxtown

      The dumb asses would be packing their kids in buckets of ice…

    • 2patricius2

      That’s cause gay people are hot…..

    • another_steve
      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        He certainly had a hand in my ascending to fabulous….. (it was my hand but he seemed to guide it).

      • Rob NYNY

        There have been persistent rumors since my childhood that he is bisexual. Always the same: He beats up a gay guy, and then, as a form of penance, tearfully asks the gay guy to fuck him. Just rumors. Just always the same.

      • lymis

        I don’t think he turned me gay, but my going-to-be-gay-anyway younger self sure spent quite a bit of time riveted to the television screen when he was on it.

        And there’s simply no way that the costume designer for that show was not gay.

        • another_steve

          There was a sort of gay “feel” to that show, wasn’t there? No gay characters, but, as you suggest, the costumes. And an underlying campiness in some of the dialogue.

          We were talking the other day here on the blog about the 1960s “Batman” TV series, which had a similar campy feel for similar reasons.

      • Rambie

        Oh hell yeah. The best parts of the episodes was him shirtless.

    • narutomania

      Well, according to a certain homocon (in a post the other day), we are only interesting in going to the beach. And some kind of music, though I can’t remember which kind (because I don’t listen to it). (shnark)

      • He later said that what he really meant was that all we care about is meth and dick but didn’t want to say that on tv. Okay I’ll admit I do enjoy the beach and I like a lot of pop music (but don’t keep up because I mostly listen to classical these days plus I’m 50 so not keeping up with the latest pop music), but I have never done meth and have no intention of trying (I like my teeth, thanks) and as for dick well yes, I do like that but personally I’m more of an ass man.

        • narutomania

          Meth?! What the …? I don’t even know what that is, exactly. Yes, I know it’s a drug. But I’ve never encountered it.

          My “drug” of choice is wine. Red, white, or rosé. I prefer my wine like I like my wit: on the dry side.

  • bkmn
    • netxtown

      the busted me up. good one!!

  • david fairfield

    Wondering what Merkel’s response will be……

  • Bluto

    OK Chancellor, you’re now the leader of the free world. Act like it!

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Unser Frau is, after all, a pragmatist. She knows how to calculate. I have a feeling that she is going to see the right side of history with the safer center right “we have much bigger and oranger things to deal with right now– of course I’ll agree with them; let’s move on.”

      • Kruhn

        Or she can call a free vote for the CDU.

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

    France: Macron’s party got a projected 311 seats in the National Assembly. The majority is 289. Historically low turnout. They gave him a mandate, but not a sweeping one.

    • Sam_Handwich
      • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

        That majority of 355 would be in alliance with a friendly party, the MODEM. He doesn’t need to form a formal alliance with them.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        And, again, the Cheese stands alone.

        If nothing else, the US taught the west the horrors of populism– and in France and Canada’s case, how to elect hot leaders.

    • Hue-Man

      Expectations were for Macron to elect more than 400 of 577 deputies. Marine Le Pen elected but Front National projected 8 deputies – 15 needed for official party status. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a4e8165ead1822e496000d317baa4c410af1f3a7b83c600a408935409d4d8c8c.jpg

      • David L. Caster

        My question is what will Macron now do with his majority.

        • billbear1961

          I hope whatever he does, David, it works and makes the French HAPPY, or God knows what will happen in the next election!

          • David L. Caster

            It’s hard to say. France survived but did not rebound well from the 2006-2007 crash. The opportunity to have avoided that has passed and only now has the French government come to grips with the reality that whatever they did (or didn’t) to recover didn’t work and now they must find a way out—assuming there is one. The following give a picture of how things have gone in France for a while.

            BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02d8nlg

            The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11176436/Eight-charts-showing-where-it-all-went-wrong-for-France.html

          • billbear1961

            It’s ironic, because just as they stood up against W.’s rush to war in Iraq, it was the French who sounded the alarm over the Anglo-American folly that led to the meltdown.

            They have earned a LOT of credit with me–I will always listen to them in future.

          • billbear1961

            I’ve got to get caught up on the articles you’ve given me links to, David.

            I’ve fallen behind in lots of my reading!

            🙁

            The bear must be properly informed, but I’m so tired, lately.

          • David L. Caster

            I know the feeling. The whole mess is very tiresome.

    • Sam_Handwich
    • Edmund Allin

      Much lower than forecast a week ago, but Macron should govern comfortably, given the breakdown of seats in the Assembly. Next up, elections for half the Senate this October I think?

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      It’s a very solid overall majority for a party that was just formed 2 years ago. That is really something in multi-party countries in Europe, even for a long-established party. Spain, the UK and the Netherlands don’t have that rght now; They have coalition governments. Italy is currently projected to not have any party with an overall majority when they vote later this year. I’m not sure but I believe Germany might have a coalition government also.

      • Kruhn

        Heck! Belgium didn’t have a government for more than a year!

  • David Walker

    It’s easy enough for her to give 45 attitude and tell him to fuck off. Now, however, Chancellor Merkel is the leader of the free world. I’m not a single issue voter, and I can’t vote for her anyway, but she needs to take a solid, supportive stand on marriage equality. It won’t bring down her government if she doesn’t, but it will be awfully disappointing. It’s leadership. It’s acknowledging that all humans are humans.

    • zhera

      One of the problems with multiple parties and coalitions is that the voters often end up with something NOBODY voted for. Compromises and deals are made in order to stay in power, giving small parties way too much power compared to their popularity.
      We have this in Norway ALL. THE. TIME. The small parties, most of which are center, can topple a government anytime by withdrawing their support for the ruling coalition. And that’s without even being PART OF the coalition.

      • David Walker

        And the US has low information voters and the electoral college. What can’t we be in charge?

      • Kruhn

        Germany, however because of its experience with the Weimar Republic, makes it difficult to bring down a government. The party who wants to bring down a government has to present an alternative government. That means that in order to depose Merkel the opposition has to come up with its own list of ministers to be approved at the same time the outgoing government is brought down. The only time this happened was in the early 80s when the Free Democrats, who had been allied to the Social Democrats, switched back to their alliance with the Christian Democrats. Chancellor Helmut Schmidt was deposed and a government headed by Helmut Kohl took over.

    • When I lived in Germany I realized that in their politics I’d probably be a swing voter between center left and center right parties, but the center-right’s refusal to move forward on gay marriage would influence my vote.

    • another_steve

      Any world leader who isn’t a supporter of marriage equality is thinking only of her/his immediate personal political goals and not the future of her/his party.

      The entire world is undergoing a seismic demographic consciousness shift — made possible, largely, by the internet and social media.

      Any political party that falls behind — that remains rooted in past bigotries — is doomed to the dustbin of history.

    • Kruhn

      No it won’t. Merkel can also call for a free vote from her party members, meaning the members can vote as they wish and there would be no consequences for breaking party discipline.

  • LovesIrony

    What’s your hang up Lady?

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      The Bavarian Conservative Party, an ultraconservative party she needs to maintain power. I don’t think she cares, herself.

      • LovesIrony

        We make fabulous pawns

        • Claude Jacques Bonhomme
          • That is epic.

          • greenmanTN

            Shouldn’t the black pieces be larger?

            (Sorry, couldn’t help myself.)

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Love the 4skins making crowns for king and queen

          • JCF

            I believe the Queen is a large vulva! 😉

          • shellback

            I’ve never seen a chess set that looked good enough to eat.

  • joshie

    Good. Frankly Germany should be embarrassed they’re behind on this issue.

    • Sporkfighter

      Not that Alabama and Mississippi are happy about it, but they’re ahead of Germany on this issue.

      • Well, but not by choice. What they should be embarrassed about is that Spain got there before them and most of the rest of Europe.

        • Kruhn

          Don’t forget Ireland.

    • zhera

      Pretty sure plenty of Germans ARE embarrassed about this. Majority of Germans want marriage equality, just like in Australia. It’s the damn politics that make it so hard. Merkel is popular now because of international political insanity, so her party should do well in the election.

      • UrsusArctos

        Germany also has Bavaria, which is analogous to Texas. It’s somewhat conservative, large, has outsized influence the rest of the country, AND claims it has a special right to become independent.

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          And its catholic

        • joshie

          That’s it! I am boycotting Bavarian cream until Germany has marriage equality!

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          True, but Franconia is more purple to Bavaria’s red. Nuremberg itself is a cultural and artistic mainstay. It’s pretty open. Having noted, that may be one of the reasons Franconia sees itself as distinct from Bavaria.

          • UrsusArctos

            That and the Bayerische constantly reminding all that if you’re not Bayern you’re not much. *grin*

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            … oh yes…remember, they are the only ones who can grüß Gott and all that.

        • Exactly. The US has red states and blue states. Germany has a conservative/Catholic south and a liberal/Lutheran north (though not all that religious, the culture of religious beliefs often remain) and a swing area in the former East Germany.

          • Paul

            You’d think it’d be the Protestants that’d be conservative, given that Catholics tend to be center to center-left.

          • Don’t confuse American religion with European. Remember that they sent a lot of their religious nuts across the Atlantic to get rid of them. Also, every country has its own set of issues that don’t necessarily align as they do in terms of right-left in the US. No serious politician in Europe would want to take away health insurance from millions of people, not if they wanted to get elected. And arts funding is something conservative Germans champion.

        • William

          Bavaria should have been turned over to the Soviets in 1945.

          • UrsusArctos

            They’re not THAT much like Texas. *grin*

    • emjayay

      If traditionally Catholic Ireland can vote in favor of marriage equality with 62% of the vote two years ago, what is up with Germany today?

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Sounds as if unlike America’s Green party and Jill Stein, that Germany’s Greens have not sold out to Putin for a few suitcases full of rubles.

  • cleos_mom

    I hope for Germany’s sake that their Green Party isn’t a glorified social club for flakes, fanatics and “conscience voters.” If not, I envy them.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      That seems to be a US exclusive. Other Green Parties appear to have their act together.

      • In other countries Greens actually get elected to some seats regionally and nationally and have to deal with real issues. The problem with Greens and Libertarians in the US is that not actually having to cast real votes on large complex bills allows them to pretend to be idealogically pure. Actual governing involves compromise and incremental change rather than all-or-nothing childish bullshit positions.

        • Rob NYNY

          The German Greens learned this hard lesson when they first entered the Bundestag. Coalition by definition means compromise.

        • Friday

          ^^^^^ That.

    • Friday

      This is more like what a functioning minority party is… In a system where you can really have one except as a ‘spoiler’ or to get other ideas on stage early on.

      The problem with the Greens in the US is…. Brain drain. (I was a Green from decades ago, but once the Democrats started being the way to get anything progressive *done* for once, anyone with a sense of strategy or perspective left, pretty much.

    • The Green Parties of Europe view our Green as nothing more than snake oil salesmen. And they ain’t wrong.

    • Rob NYNY

      The also have the the FDP, Free Democratic Party, which is basically the party of libertarian gay men. See for example Guido Westerwelle.

      • Kruhn

        Well not as libertarian as Americans. I’d think most of the Democratic leadership would probably fit as Free Democrats if they were Germans.

  • SoCalGal20

    Awesome! Good for them. There is NO reason at this point for Germany not to have full marriage equality.

    • Except that they have had a center right government that is against it.

  • SoCalGal20

    OT but Jay Sekulow’s morning show rounds to say the president is not under investigation seems to have been quite the disaster. Nobody is buying that Trump isn’t under investigation. To top it off CHRIS WALLACE channeled his father for five minutes and got Jay to say that Trump IS under investigation. Twice. And then when he denied he said, Chris went to town. Watch at least the first four minutes of this interview.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/oh-boy-this-is-weird-chris-wallace-shreds-trump-lawyer-for-both-confirming-and-denying-investigation/

    • Sam_Handwich

      i saw that earlier, made my head hurt

      • SoCalGal20

        The important thing is that he’s a terrible liar.

    • ByronK

      Wow, that was quite a shit show. I kept expecting Sekulow to yell “WHAT POLL?”.

    • bkmn

      1. Sekulow is an idiot
      2. His “expertise” is in inundating people that sue Trump with excessive counter-lawsuits
      3. He will soon be facing censure or disbarment for the advice he was dispensing to WH staff that they did not need to hire their own lawyers
      4. He has no background in matters of federal governance
      5. He is only there because Trump likes him

      • SoCalGal20

        You’re thinking of Kasowicz. He’s been Trump’s lawyer in NY that buried people under lawsuits and he’s the one that advised WH staff not to get lawyers. He doesn’t have a license to practice in DC even though Trump added him to his TrumpRussia investigation team.

        No. 1 obviously also applies to Sekulow but I don’t know about the others.

        In addition to Michael Cohen (he’s the one who hired his OWN lawyer because he’s also under investigation for TrumpRussia), Trump has recently brought in Kasowicz, Sekulow, and Dowd. I think Dowd is the only one with any experience in DOJ investigations like this.

  • SoCalGal20

    This NYT article doesn’t just talk about Ossoff and the GA-06 race, it talks about Dems who have declared, or are considering, making runs in 2018 in what have been Republican districts. Some good info about who to follow and keep an eye out for.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/18/us/politics/high-stakes-referendum-on-trump-takes-shape-in-a-georgia-special-election.html?_r=0&referer=https://t.co/odVgVfdR5M

    • Lazycrockett

      Pete! ?

    • UrsusArctos

      Thanks. This will be VERY useful for those of us living in places with a hopeless Cook PVI lean to the GOP. I plan to donate to viable Democrats that need a bit of a push to get over the hump in swing districts and send copies of the acknowledgements to my useless Congresscritter and both Senators each time I donate.

      • SoCalGal20

        Donations are a huge help, of course. And sometimes you can even phonebank for candidates right from home even if you live in another state or district. Swing Left and other groups are making it easier for people from all over find candidates they want to support even if they don’t live close to them.

        • UrsusArctos

          Yep. I’m glad the article focused on the BEST thing to come from this challenge win or lose. It’s making more and more GOPers look out for their own hides. Many of them haven’t faced serious challenges and fundraising will get TOUGH if all of them feel the need to bury challengers in money.

    • joshie

      Good news! Too many total assclowns have sailed into office with little or no serious competition from the left. Now is the time to put on the pressure.

    • There were about a dozen Congressional districts where Hillary beat Trump but Democrats didn’t bother to run a serious candidate (and in some cases, didn’t run any candidate at all). The path to a majority in the House is clear and possible if they can recruit and fund good candidates in districts that are viable (which is a lot more than Democrats recently have bothered to take seriously).

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Le Pen wins seat, but

    • UrsusArctos

      I THINK they needed 10 seats to form a “faction” so they’re powerless, still.

  • TuuxKabin
    • John30013

      Just saw that. So sad that one of the truly good guys is gone too soon.

    • Mikey

      goddammit, why’d you have to make me cry?

      • TuuxKabin

        Sorry, Mikey. You’re not alone.

    • netxtown

      goddammit – why do the good ones get taken away? WHY!

      • TuuxKabin

        I wish I could find the source, but it stuck with me when I read Audrey Hepburn died. Elizabeth Taylor’s tribute was, something like: “god has received his most beautiful angel and she will show him the work that has to be done.” No matter we believe or not, ‘they’ve’ gone on to another place to continue the good they did while here. The cycle’s just in tn to another place.

        • Both of them did a LOT of charity work but Hepburn basically made charity work her career and primary focus. I don’t think she made a lot of enemies. Even her ex-husbands only ever had nice things to say about her.

          • Rob NYNY

            Likewise Carole Lombard. He ex-husband, William Powell, insisted that she be cast opposite him in “My Man Godfrey.” The screen chemistry continued after the marriage crumbled.

    • emjayay

      Thanks for that – I didn’t know and I live here. This should have been a post, not a comment.

  • E.J.

    O.T.: need some fresh air, time to go for a little hike…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmDhRvvs5Xw

    • Lars Littlefield

      Interesting video. When I traveled to Malaga in ’85 the hike had still chains to hang onto to help prevent falling to a watery death.

    • that is just not right. yes, i have a deep fear of heights in my dotage.

      • AJ Drew

        “I’m supposed to walk across that narrow beam?”

        Oh hell NO. I would jump just to escape my fear of falling. (I know that makes zero sense, but such are phobias.)

        • TuuxKabin

          Thank you for a way out. I’d do the same.

    • TuuxKabin

      Was going to comment on this yesterday when it was posted, don’t remember if you did or not, as gorgeous and exciting an experience as it may be? HELL no. But thanks for the panic attack watching this again. The vodka and fresh squeezed ruby reds took the edge off.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      I think that at 1:33 I’d put the phone down.

      But that’s just me.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      I grew up in a 3rd floor apartment. To this day, the back of my legs tingle and my balls feel like they’re in my throat when I lean out a 4th story window or higher. My father was a NYC fireman, so I guess I didn’t inherit this trait from him.

    • JCF

      I was good until the giant holes! 😮

  • ByronK

    OT: Amazon’s Alexa Jones. LOL
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Q72qYWxKQ

    • Sam_Handwich

      ahahahhaaaaaaaa

    • Bryan

      …”Ate a big fat steak last night, so i’m goin’ a little bit wild today, excuse me…”

  • Michael R
    • I was listening to the radio earlier, and heard that sekulow person say that tRump is, in no way or fashion, under investigation. Wut?

      • Michael R

        Trump is also not afraid of the investigation that he isn’t under ( Wut ? )

      • UrsusArctos

        Parse the words. We’ll all have to get better at defining what the meaning of “is” is. His lawyer is saying 45* is not under investigation about the election. Note that his lawyer has said nothing about an obstruction of justice investigation stemming from attempting to crush the election meddling. SQUIRREL!

        • Halou

          Trump will have his generals tell him what the meaning if IS IS within thirty days.

      • SoCalGal20

        He’s lying. Watch the first 4 minutes of this interview he did with Chris Wallace. At best, he has no idea if Trump is under investigation or not.

        https://twitter.com/rawstory/status/876504803907686400

    • Westcoast88

      What does this have to do with Germany?

    • Whew, that was tiring.

    • JT

      A screed by Jay Suckalot. Is it printed on toilet paper?

  • Lazycrockett
    • BobSF_94117

      There’s something very fishy about the NRA’s affection for Russia. Russia has what the NRA would normally consider draconian anti-gun laws. But they’re all buddy-buddy.

      • SoCalGal20

        Follow the money…

  • i wish we had such a coalition in this country that could exercise this kind of power.

    it’s just common sense, science and decency they are demanding. the problem of GCC is very real, and there’s no point in having children anymore, if you understand that fact. not unless and until we can get our governments out of the oil profiteering biz. marriage equality is equally obvious. who doesn’t believe in it? the people who believe in talking snakes and gawds who hate shrimp. why does anyone listen to them?

  • SoCalGal20

    One of the best things you will see all day. 🙂

    https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/876470336371306498

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Those strangers’ kids probably got more affection and attention from Obama than drümpf’s own kids ever got from drümpf.

      • SoCalGal20

        I’m sure you’re right.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      “Get ’em out of here.”

      — Trump complaining about a crying baby.

      • JCF

        …and you KNOW he said the same damn thing about each of his 5 (yes, even Ivanka) at that age.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      https://youtu.be/L1jaMaIynTI

      I remember this girl crying because Obama was leaving. If she knew the Cheeto was next, she might have cried even harder.

    • I’ve talked about this before. Obama, having grown up without a father, has made himself into the dad he never had for his kids. I’ve seen this with a lot (though not enough) men of my generation (and guys even younger). For all the right’s talk of family values, the Obamas are as good an example as you can think of as a strong healthy family. They even moved Michelle’s mom into the White House so that there would be a family member there when they were away on trips because they weren’t comfortable with the idea of leaving their kids with strangers.

      • emjayay

        And the wingnuts howled about the huge expense of having the grandmother in the White House like she was another black Welfare Queen. And of course they are now quiet about the multi millions we are spending weekly on Melania staying in her tower penthouse on Fifth Avenue in NYC, and Trump’s weekly vacations in Florida.

  • Scout
    • kevin vincent

      It’s funny her and Obama have largely positive tweets while Trump’a are largely negative

      • i was just thinking, what did the traitor’s children tweet him this father’s day?

        • bkmn

          The Loser-in-Chief’s spawn seem to be lying low while daddy has a melt-down. Guess they know that when he is like this it is better to not be seen by him or else they will get their asses handed to them on a platter.

          • netxtown

            well at least its a gold platter…. /s

          • 2guysnamedjoe

            Papa dr7

    • Halou

      Just out of curiosity, have Don Jr, Eric and/or Ivanka posted any father’s day messages?

      • Scout

        http://www.newsweek.com/barack-obamas-fathers-day-message-was-little-different-donald-trumps-627034

        This is a good article about that:

        His social media message differed somewhat from that of his predecessor President Donald Trump, who used social media to celebrate his approval rating going up and complain that he was the victim of a witch-hunt.

        However, Trump’s children did remember to send their president father well-wishes, with Eric sharing a picture of the whole family and Donald Jr. writing: “Happy Father’s Day dad. Thanks for everything you’ve taught us and for fighting everyday to ‪#maga. We love you. ‪#fathersday.”

        Trump Jr. also shared a message from his father written in 2013, in which the Republican had said: “Happy Father’s Day to all,
        even the haters and losers!” — TRUMP IS SO NEGATIVE!!!

        https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/876456804305252353

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I always got the feeling his kids may think he’s a dork but they love him and not because of an inheritance.

  • Scout
    • JCF

      Ugh—if she profits (electorally as well as $$$$$) from her own hackable voting machines…

      electjon.com

  • Scout

    Sorry, I didn’t notice the Karen Handel article below is from 2010 . . .

  • SoCalGal20
    • Boreal

      Good article in the Guardian that gave me some hope today:

      Victories against Trump are mounting. Here’s how we deal the final blow

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/18/resistance-victories-trump-mounting-final-blow

    • ByronK

      I don’t think I’ve ever had such rapid blood flow to and from my groin almost simultaneously. I think I need to lie down now.

    • Ernest Endevor

      I see that someone’s been shopping Obama’s pic. Not that he needs it. He’s not an underwear model, after all. (More’s the pity.)

      • JCF

        I wondered about that. I thought I recalled this particular photo showing him to be fit, but not cut.

        • Ernest Endevor

          In moderation the skin smoother tool is our friend. In moderation.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Not to be obtuse (pardon the pun) but is Trump’s image photoshopped? Look at his head; even for his awful stature that seems really small and out of proportion, unlike the bronzed god on the left.

      • prixator

        You know what they say: small hands, small head (both)!

      • CottonBlimp

        A person’s height is generally about nine of their heads. That looks about right to me.

        I think heads just look smaller when they’re facing away from you because faces are enlarged in our mind’s eye due to how much importance our subconscious places on the human face.

        Or maybe it’s because Trump is a bean-bag chair with legs. Who can say?

        • ben-andy

          Yes, and Hair Drumpf’s body is about as deep as he is wide.

          While his head is narrow and shallow.

    • Henry Auvil

      LMFAO!

    • JCF

      Well, I hope DrumpfCare will at least supply Boss-Tested/Boss-Approved Depends!

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      “The Christian Facebook page “Warriors For Christ” took it upon themselves to let all their followers know that if they posted a rainbow pride emoji, they would be banned. It may be needless to say, but the Internet took hold of things from this point, and the page is now colored in rainbows.”

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        These guys need to worship Ares instead. He was a god of war while Christ never led an army.

    • Blake J Butler

      Yeah i remember that, someone shared that in my newsfeed and i was compelled to react with a pride flag, so i did.

      • SoCalGal20

        Somebody should post the photo of the rainbow unicorn guy. 🙂

    • zhera

      Shouldn’t they ban themselves from facebook since it’s so gay friendly?

    • JCF
  • SoCalGal20

    Very interesting article. Not too long.

    The neo-fascist philosophy that underpins both the alt-right and Silicon Valley technophiles

    https://qz.com/1007144/the-neo-fascist-philosophy-that-underpins-both-the-alt-right-and-silicon-valley-technophiles/

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    This is a good development. Working within the political system, that is.

    • JWC

      this is a good way to advance in a minority government some thing the US does not have

  • SoCalGal20

    Michigan Dems (and others). Haley Stevens will be running against Republican Dave Trott, in a district that has gone Republican for 50 years. She worked on Obama’s auto industry rescue task force.

    https://twitter.com/adamparkhomenko/status/876188094835429376

    • safari
      • SoCalGal20

        Hmmmm can you say gerrymandered?

        (I see they had to avoid Pontiac lol)

        • TuuxKabin

          Your ol’ stompin’ grounds, yeah?

          • SoCalGal20

            I’m from farther north so not quite.

          • TuuxKabin

            Good friend in Harbor Springs, I think it is. Would have to look in address book.

      • JCF

        I used to work near there (Southfield): good luck, Haley!

    • TuuxKabin

      Makin’ a list, checkin’ it along the way to help him do the good fight. Thank you for the info.

      Any word on, as Lazycrockett calls him . . . sigh, Pete?

      • hudson11

        just noticed you’ve changed you avatar.

        • TuuxKabin

          HEY! There’s the pooch!

          Yeah. The other one wasn’t clear ‘nuf for my likin’, this one more to the point.

          How’s the garden grow? Steamy, sun showers, rainbows here and there, too goddamn hot. Just knocked off another houmungus bowl of po’corn. Goddamn, fuck us good with all the flash fried herbs we throw in with the kernels. No more ruby reds, and Juan done split, so it’s just greyhounds.

          • hudson11

            The garden my dear, is floating away, nearly. Rain off and on all day- buggered up a planned garden party this evening. We’ll all be indoors so that means I have to do some unplanned house cleaning! Argh.

          • TuuxKabin

            Just meet everyone at the door with doubles. They’re comin’ to be with youse, sure!

      • SoCalGal20

        Is Pete planning on making a Congressional run in 2018 or staying Mayor of South Bend?

        • TuuxKabin

          Dunno, but I’m keeping my antennae up on whatever he’s up to. We need him wherever he wants to direct his goodness. I’d support him on, at, any level.

    • Henry Auvil

      Go Haley!

  • Leo

    O/T: Monica Byrne’s allegations that Melania Trump’s having an affair with the head of Tiffany’s Trump Tower Security Hank Siemers are going viral.

    • Treant

      True or not, it’s truthy enough to have traction. Honestly, the idea of her being sexually satisfied by Don the Con…no. Not even with a box of dildos.

      • hudson11

        OT, again to you- what’s that lovely rose to which you’re attached your moniker?

        • Treant

          A red Double Knockout!

          • hudson11

            Lovely- may be something to try on the West Coast- Black Spot is big problem here.

          • Treant

            Knockouts have much-reduced disease problems, but in high pressure locations and years, some pre-treatment might be necessary.

            I’ve never had to do anything with mine, even in the wettest weather. I do pre-spray before the Japanese beetles emerge, but even then, the bush will rebloom as soon as they’re finished.

      • JT

        He’d have problems trying to hold them in his tiny hands.

      • Lazycrockett

        But the right wing will attack the left cause its picking on the WHOTUS.

        • Scott Carpenter

          I thought the abbreviation was FWOTUS?

    • SoCalGal20

      Good for her if it’s true!

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        She certainly deserves better than the orange ogre.

    • Lazycrockett
      • Lazycrockett

        Though with those trimmed fingernails I’d say hes a top.

        • Natty Enquirer

          Top pianist?

        • TuuxKabin

          Finger lickin’ good.

          I didn’t say that. I never said that.

          Cheese.

          • hudson11

            tsk, tsk

          • TuuxKabin

            Oh, come on.

          • hudson11

            🙂 we are of like minds ya know…..

          • TuuxKabin

            Hey! OOga BOOga! You at work? And goot morningk.

        • JCF

          Or a lesbian! ;-p~

      • hudson11

        At least the dude smiles!

      • Cuberly

        Nah, I’m sure she’s much happier with the bath-robed paunchy narcissist traipsing around the WH yelling at TVs.

      • Scott Carpenter

        I can think of several reasons just right off the top. The first being that his dick probably isn’t on a life support machine.

      • houstonray

        Is that a wedding band on his hand? Is he married too?

    • JCF

      Please let it be true! 😉

  • joe ho

    good to know that germany’s green party isn’t allied to russia, like stein is.

    the us will never have a credible green party until it becomes politically pragmatic and stops undermining third term elections–which set back progressive change. nader and stein are the problem.

    • Boreal

      If we had a viable green party here I could see Dems and Greens working together but all we have here are loons. Our local Green party where I live does nothing to win local seats on town boards, county legislatures or any other legislative bodies.

      • JT

        That indicates how foolhardy and unrealistic they are. It’s as if they were put up to it by counter-progressive forces.

        • Boreal

          Our local green leader runs for Congress every 2 years and splinters the progressive vote, giving us a republican.

          • JT

            What a prick. Someone should go after the person on just those grounds.

          • Boreal

            He always criticizes dems but when confronted about this says ‘both parties are the same.’ Really? If both are the same then why do i never hear any criticism of repigs?

          • JT

            That’s the kind of BS that saddled us with Drumpf. Maybe tying it in with that will do the trick next time.

          • Boreal

            Our indivisible groups are pissed and he will be sorry this time if he pulls this shit.

          • TuuxKabin

            JFC on a saltine, with a schemer of mayo.

      • Lazycrockett

        The system we live under has been built to only support 2 parties. To get more viable parties the system would have to be destroyed and rebuilt and the DNC nor the RNC are gonna let that happen.

        • -M-

          The system doesn’t have to be ‘destroyed’ in order to stop pressuring people into a two party duopoly. It can be reformed if voters demand it. Doing away with: gerrymandering, the first past the post voting system, voter suppression, and a few minor ballot access hurdles should do it.

          • Lazycrockett

            But its impossible for a 3rd party to jump through all the loops. laws and regulations on a state level to get on enough ballots to be viable nationwide.

  • houstonray
    • houstonray

      Not sure how to take the Otto Warmbier family statement. I can’t imagine the loss they are dealing with but to blame it all on Obama and paint Trump as the savior of their son? And one of the statements in their quote was an EXACT duplicate of Pence’s statement on N. Korea from a few months ago? (“the time/era for strategic patience is over”)

      • Natty Enquirer

        They only learned their son is comatose one month before his release. Now the doctors say he has extensive brain damage which is inconsistent with North Korea’s explanation. So the parents are VERY ANGRY and looking for someone to blame. How about the administration which levied sanctions which likely caused North Korea to retaliate by seizing their son?

        • safari

          How about they blame their idiot son?

          • Natty Enquirer

            For going to North Korea with a Chinese tour group? Yeah, that wasn’t very smart. But Warmbier was also a pawn of international politics.

          • safari

            And he was as soon as he entered NK. The only difference is he became a bigger piece after his arrest.

          • Scott Carpenter

            And, you know, there was that whole “sneaking around in the hotel and trying to steal a poster for a trophy” thing. In North Korea.

          • Lazycrockett

            If I saw a political poster and thought it would look really cool back in my dorm…………..

          • safari

            …I’d ask my handlers where I could get one of my own?

          • William

            From what I’ve seen in travel stories, North Korea has quite the political section in the gift shop.

          • Lazycrockett

            Yeah going to a enemy state that has a history of arresting and putting in prison us citizens you’d think of better vacation locales.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Was there Xianity to be spread, or did he go for the surfing?

    • JT

      Oh, Bubble and Squeak. Those clowns again.

    • safari

      Otto Warmbier went to a hostile country, did something stupid, and was arrested. I’m sorry if I don’t feel much empathy for anyone involved.

      • OdieDenCO

        exactly! over indulged man child failed to consider the consequences of his actions.

  • Gigi

    So there are some politicians with integrity!

  • Ninja0980

    Good.
    As other people have pointed out, the fact Germany is fully onboard with this issue yet should be a source of humiliation for them, especially since they are now the leaders of the free world.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      True!

    • MBear

      Well, not so “free” then…?

  • Henry Auvil

    Green is the new black.

  • Cuberly

    Quinn Cummings has SUCH a way with words.

    https://twitter.com/quinncy/status/876562139959369728

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I swear his head looks so damn odd.

  • JT
  • safari

    Personal O/T: I’m trying to calm my strangely unfocused anger today (I really don’t know why) by cooking two new recipes for dinner: corn zucchini pancakes with a sriracha sauce and korean bbq marinated pan-fried tofu. I figure the lack of meat might help.

    • TuuxKabin

      Hmmmm. We’re going to pick the sage and flash fry it as a garnish for bratwurst and roasted asparagus, with celery leaves.

      Enjoy! A good meal’s the best way to slap that anger away. IMHO.

      • safari

        That sounds lovely. I’ve never had flash fried sage on anything. It is something I’ll have to try; I love sage.

        • worstcultever

          Me too. I need to learn it though. Definitely the coolest spice name!

          • TuuxKabin

            We have a lemon, pineapple and variegated variety in pots. Straight up sage is the best.

          • AJ Drew

            lolz… I’m trying container gardening. No luck. I think it’s been too wet or I didn’t provide enough drainage. Nothing growing, well, except… one of the pots looks happy:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc088cefe4fdedb87bb554e20e83343715e081d8a3128bf748b37328a3b122d2.jpg

          • TuuxKabin

            We drink lots of wine, save the corks for ‘drainage’ at the bottom of the container, works well and not heavy.

            Saw mushrooms just like that at the farmers’ market this morning. If they have ’em next Sunday I’m going to get some. They can be prepared as easy as oyster and hen of the woods.

            I just pulled up some of the herbs I was dead heading by the roots, they pots are so saturated. I should have had scissors to snip, instead of pinch and pull.

          • AJ Drew

            Corks! That’s a great idea!

          • 2guysnamedjoe

            I think it likes you.

          • Hryflex

            I’m doing all container gardening this year: black plastic milk crates lined with landscaping fabric secured by cable ties, and potatoes in a $1.50 laundry basket from Big Lots. They dry out quickly, so I have to water every evening that is doesn’t rain. A gardening friend always grows root veggies that way, then moves the crates into her basement in the fall and harvests as needed.

          • AJ Drew

            Interesting ideas, thanks!

          • JCF

            I’ve grown vegetables in large pots for years. Last year, we had one tomato plant which went particularly nuts!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00d8db9ec8e623905577cc97aeae0ba3d1cdedb1c63a1b369de42c39526b31dc.jpg

          • AJ Drew

            Well, I don’t want *that* but something growing at all would make me happy. Lolz?

          • JCF

            You can laugh, but I got *18* quart bags of frozen tomato puree out of it (well, from that and cherry tomato just to the left). Spaghetti sauce for years! [I cut back on tomatoes this year—more peppers instead. And eggplant—which I continually try, and almost NEVER successful with. The triumph of faith over experience. Sigh.]

          • AJ Drew

            That vine truly is impressive; it was headed toward Jack and the Beanstalk territory!

          • JCF

            And I got tomatoes off of it into December! [Sacramento area. I grew veggies a couple of times when I lived in Michigan, and I remember when everything was DEAD by the first week of October. }-/]

        • TuuxKabin

          My old avatar/icon was Sage, our dog, black n’ white lil’ mutt. Love the word. Love the herb. Love the dog. Sage.

      • houstonray

        I’ve got sage growing at the farm, but we’ve never flash fried it. Sounds delish, will have to try that!!!

        • TuuxKabin

          Use a cast iron sauce pot, or skillet, get the oil real HOT.

          • JT

            Mary Ann [in the supermarket flirting with Michael’s Marine recruiter boyfriend before she knew Michael]: You have to get the oil hot. Real hot.

    • houstonray

      Hubby was in a mood this morning (not at me, just in general), and made homemade biscuits topped with sausage gravy. They were his best batch yet, flaky, buttery, soft.

      I’m calling them Angry Biscuits.

      • AJ Drew

        “Angry Biscuits” would be a fun drag name.

        • houstonray

          LMAO!!!! So true!

      • TuuxKabin

        Something made us do baked potatoes. So good we did another two. Choice of tofutti, plain, butter, Camembert cheese and butter as a ‘dressing.’

    • worstcultever

      Sounds delicious! Dang you’re so much more ambitious than I. (Here’s my lazyass zucchini recipe: slice/dice & throw in steamer. After that, a drizzle of sesame oil, big kiss of Italian spices & some parmesan cheez.)

      • TuuxKabin

        jaz!

    • JT
      • safari

        The one on the right reminds me of an ex who had a prince albert.

      • Blake J Butler

        If they came in different sizes and colors i might have to get me a salt and pepper shaker like this.

    • AJ Drew

      Maybe this will make you feel better: I decided to make tetrazzini for dinner, and after I started, I realized there is no pasta nor sherry in the house. So… I guess we’re having cubed chicken for dinner.

      • AJ Drew

        So the “boys” got home, looked at what I had plated, and started whining “Why did you pre-cut our food?” STFU, I’m working on a sauce, ok?

        In the end it’ll be ok: chicken and veg in an Alfredo-esque sauce. Then I’m going to the store to buy lots of wine. (Tuux tells me I need corks for gardening purposes, so if when I sign back on I’m loopy, blame him. /s)

  • worstcultever

    From everything I’ve read about Merkel, her durability & success are due in large measure to her skills in political cat-herding. Hope she uses this chip well & realizes it’s past time for something to push Germany over the finish line on SSM.

    • JT

      She has said negative things about same sex marriage in the past and needs to change that.

      But what does that mean if Germany still doesn’t embrace marriage
      equality—and Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union party is prepping a
      “family values” campaign for the upcoming federal election?

      Current German law only provides for domestic partnerships, and
      prohibits same-sex couples from adopting children. Polls indicate a
      large majority of Germans favor “marriage for all”—75% according to a survey released this month—but Merkel has is still staunchly opposed.

      Last year, she told an interviewer there would be no marriage equality in the country as long as she was in office. “Same-sex marriages are not a goal of this government,” a spokesperson later reiterated.

      Part of Merkel’s resistance stems from her conservative Protestant
      upbringing in East Germany, where social change moved at a glacial pace
      if at all. But a more pragmatic factor is that, while the CDU governs
      most of Germany, it must partner with the more conservative Christian
      Social Union, which oversees populous Bavaria in the South.

      http://www.newnownext.com/angela-merkel-gay-marriage/04/2017/

      • William

        East Germany legalized gay sex before West Germany did. I think Merkel’s alliance with the CSU is more of an influence on policy. The CSU changes at a glacial pace.

  • Lumpy Gaga
    • safari

      Imagine sending this message 10 years into the past…

      • houstonray

        Constitutional amendment to allow three terms for Obama? 😉

      • JCF

        Along w/ a Terminator, por favor?

  • Sam_Handwich

    o/t Trump’s America.

    This makes me so angry and sad. Boston’s beloved street/subway performer, Keytar Bear, was attacked by a group of teenage boys yesterday near Faneuil hall. They ripped off the head of his costume, made racist insults and damaged some of his equipment. There’s a gofundme to help him replace his stuff. https://www.gofundme.com/get-keytar-bear-a-new-speaker

    http://www.universalhub.com/files/images/photos/coolbear.jpg

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I checked and the gofundme has already gone beyond its goal. Good on the donators.

      Also has the teenagers been arrested?

      • Sam_Handwich

        yup, all 3 were arrested

        • Cuberly

          Good!

    • Cuberly

      WTF? Who the hell attacks a street performer?

      https://twitter.com/timothypmurphy/status/876582868281159681

      • Sam_Handwich

        yeah, he’s been attacked a few times. not sure why a bear with a keytar triggers these assholes

        • JT

          Three New Hampshire juveniles.

        • Cuberly

          That’s despicable. I’ve always thought of Boston as a sort of walkable tourist town with a low chance for any mischief from the locals. Sorta like SF.

      • JT

        Nazis.

      • Leo

        I hate these “what is….”. It’s like any OTHER city honestly. Given the racist insults and that I grew up in the area I’m going to play devil’s advocate and bet the teenagers aren’t suburbanites but from Southie.

  • ByronK

    Well, I settled in to eat dinner and watch Bill Maher. I’m still eating but after about 12 minutes, I decided I will not watch his show again. Him playing ballwasher to Marlow, ignoring the fact the fact that there was a production of Caesar with an Obama-like leader, saying essentially that the play shouldn’t be allowed, then claiming that Muslims outside of the US are not moderate, his failure to actually examine homegrown radicalization…screw it. I’m done. Maher can go fuck himself every which way to next Sunday.

    • bambinoitaliano

      I stop watching his show after he had that Milo shitface on. His rating must be tanking now that he has to compete with the alt right media frenzy feeding mode.

    • Blake J Butler

      I watched Elvira’s movie marathon that she has on Amazon Prime, the first video was about cannibal feminists in the Amazon, ( really the forests of San Bernardino).

      His acting was bearable, as far as his show, he comes off as a spoiled bitch that wasn’t happy with everything Obama did, and had higher expectations for his democratic successor, Bernie was la-la-la land, and Hillary was realistic and equally as democratic as he was, and that wasn’t good enough for him.

      Telling people that” shes not really that bad” is not a campaign slogan when you were running against a white nationalist picked by a foreign dictator. He isn’t that progressive on gay rights when it comes to public accommodations.

    • safari

      I still watch Maher. He’s a known asshole. And I can mostly agree with him. Plus there are few celebs that’d allow being interviewed at a hosted sex party, he being one of them.

      • Lazycrockett

        I watch for the Panel discussion, the less Maher says the better.

    • Lazycrockett

      Watch Overtime on You Tube and enjoy Nance take a chainsaw to those freshly washed balls

      • ByronK

        Oh, I watched it yesterday. Still not enough to redeem the show.

  • This is very interesting. So I could vote Green giving them the bloc that would probably put gay marriage AND climate change high on the agenda of whatever coalition government formed? Hmmm.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Also from Europe today, the initial projections from the French election are that Macron’s party will have a huge majority, nearly 2/3 of the seats, and the Front National (Marine Le Pen’s far right party that Putin supported) will get only 8 seats.

  • Lazycrockett

    Beautiful but deadly. Fire kills over 60 in Portugal blaze.

    https://twitter.com/pourmecoffee/status/876588486446505991

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I’m not saying global warming caused this but they tend to make these type of things worse and more numerous.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Oh yes. And Portuguese officials have already said that the very high temperatures are strongly contributing to making the fire hard to control.

    • zhera

      🙁 Over 60? That’s a lot!

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Husband and I were vlsiting Portugal in 2000, when its cork oaks were being replaced by more lucrative eucalyptus trees (for paper production). Huzzbian, a native Californian, remarked about what a bad idea it is to have hundreds of acres of extremely flammable eucalyptus — they explode when they catch fire .

  • Cuberly

    And a WH desperate to soften further sanctions.

    https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/876584478025633797

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I sometimes wonder what’s keeping the GOP Congress members from going along with weakening sanctions. I thought they appreciated their “golden gift.” Sure it looks bad but it’s not like that keeps them from killing millions of people including much of their own base.

      • safari

        They can’t get rid of Donald until they get their tax cuts. Then they will smother him in his sleep.

        • Cuberly

          They REALLY want a Russia style oligarchy don’t they. Not that we’re not already 3/4 there.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Fortunately, I heard that the younger generation tends to roll their eyes at propaganda their elders gulp whole and have continued to protest even against a guy who loves to hand out radioactive tea. For that reason, I give the younger generation major credit.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          Melania: Correct! And that’s why I moved into the White House.

      • Cuberly

        Remember when they were vociferously criticizing Obama for not imposing sanctions sooner? McCain and Lindsaybelle were all a flutter over it. Some GOP Reps were the same way.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Yeah but they’re hypocrites and don’t have any real principles except to roll over like doggies for PAC money.

          • Cuberly

            Yep. Koch’s need their tax breaks for uh, freedumb, or something….

  • Michael R
  • Michael

    Guys, uh, you should go to YouTube and search for “gay” for this past week. There is definitely a complete shift in the tone of comments with these videos. We’re all in for a rude awakening once Pence takes over and makes his anti-gay moves.

    • safari

      Hateful comments on youtube? *clutches pearls*

      • safari

        (You really are a terrible troll.)

        • Michael

          You can take this lightly if you’d like. I’ve been watching gay related Youtube videos for years and there is most definitely a strong shift in tone.

          If you think that’s “trolling” you really, really need to take your head out of your ass. I was also the one saying Trump was going to win against Hillary but people like you didn’t listen to that one either.

          • safari

            Actually, I saw what was coming — I’m from the rust belt. But for some reason you specifically keep falling on the wrong side of my troll detector.

          • Michael

            You saw that coming? And yet you went for Hillary instead of Sanders.

            Um, OK. Sure you did.

          • Lazycrockett

            That was quick.

          • zhera

            It’s like they’re not even trying anymore. I’d be insulted but then I’d have to actually care.

          • bambinoitaliano

            He’s been waiting for hours with that answer.

      • Sam_Handwich
  • Cuberly
    • safari

      Just wait until trans-humanism hits the mainstream.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Most GOP men already seem to pine for Stepford bots.

        • OdieDenCO

          newt’s got the prototype

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            The next one will be full owl.

      • another_steve

        Am I going to have to learn a whole new vocabulary?

        I’ve just mastered the LGBT “trans vocabulary.”

        Now a new one for me to master?

        • Sam_Handwich

          transhumanism is sci-fi creepy

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

          • safari

            My favorite discussion of transhuanism came from Douglass Hofsteader. During his talk about the singularity he had a running cartoon being displayed in the background of a machine that was the embodiment of a human being. As the talk came to a close, the machine was struck by lightning — indicating that death may be delayed but never prevented. He’s correct.

          • lymis

            I can’t get my home network to run for a week without rebooting the router.
            Transhumanism may be the future, but it’s certainly not going to happen any time soon.

        • safari

          It is the extension of our technology into humanity. You can think of it as means of cheating death or changing fundamentally what it means to be a human by a merger of ourselves with our tools. A friend of mine suggests it started back when we got computer technology; some of the evolutionary biologists of today think of us as not as homo sapiens but as homo evolutus. All of this talk tends to be tied to the concept of the singularity — a point at which our technological makes meaningful predictions based upon our history irrelevant to human development. An example would be the point at which we create an AI just a little bit smarter than all humans or when we create the ability to store and resurrect a mind.

          • another_steve

            I’m philosophically Daoist and an evolutionary biologist by nature, and believe that whatever is ultimately useful will, in the fullness of time, prevail. A long long process, this. Too long for any one of us to observe.

            You cannot change the trajectory.

            You cannot improve the universe.

          • safari

            The processes remain the same, but you can certainly change the state those processes act upon. We can directly edit DNA and perhaps move minds out of flesh as we know it. For the latter, if no one can tell the difference (think of it as a Turing Test of oneself), then is it different? We haven’t altered trajectory at all, we’ve simply started to redefine what it means to be human.

          • another_steve

            I’m suggesting that the ultimate trajectory can’t be altered via science. If it isn’t ultimately useful to us as a species, it will fail.

            Emphasis on “useful.”

            Not “what’s possible,” but what’s useful.

          • safari

            Oh, I know. It is one of my fields.

          • safari

            (Though we can play in the weeds with words for quite a long time.)

          • safari

            Though … one parting thought … you’ll have to define what it means to be a species first. Science hasn’t been able to do so completely.

          • another_steve

            To me, “species” implies a living group with a discrete and definable set of abilities and talents, as viewed and assessed from my human perspective.

            My human perspective is all that’s available to me.

            If I had a wider perspective, an infinite perspective, I couldn’t thrive as a human being. I couldn’t function in my biological role.

            This is metaphysics. Not the stuff of science and “knowing.”

          • edrex

            i’m skeptical. humans seem to have an unprecidented capability to really fuck things up. i think the lessons of taoism are important to help us temper our pathological impulse to manipulate things as they are.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Some people think our future is to go beyond organic & merge with machines. Transcending the human so to speak.

          • NZArtist

            You wish! Humans are just the wetware bootloaders for the machine overlords yet to come.

    • another_steve

      Donald Trump is more a sad commentary on the people who voted for him than on himself.

      There will always be Donald Trumps. There always have been and there always will be.

      But in 2016, to not have recognized the type of man you were voting for — that’s a sad sad commentary on our species.

      • Lazycrockett
        • another_steve

          The Baltimore Sun is still going strong, btw. Still the dominant newspaper in the Baltimore area.

          And extremely pro-LGBT.

          Not at all unusual to see extensive articles highlighting same-sex marriages in the area — complete with what the brides or grooms wore, how they met, and what wines were served at their wedding celebrations.

      • OdieDenCO

        true. donny should be depicted as an Australopithecus climbing over modern man’s back

      • bambinoitaliano

        Yup , those who shrugged off their responsibilities and blame others for their stupidity.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Cuberly
  • Lazycrockett
  • ByronK

    I’m going to shut off MSNBC and skip the endless speculation including some dude dissecting London police methods. Who knew Americans like using their sirens and lights more than the British. Fuck off already.

  • Clive Johnson
    • safari

      They are greasy, probably smelly… yet for some reason I melt when I see them in this photo.

      • Sam_Handwich

        i want an astronaut/boombox shirt

      • Treant

        They’re just a little rumpled from making love behind the sign.

        • Blake J Butler

          Theres a bush so i say go for it. Some people want to get off by fornicating in the cupboard underneath the stairs in the Dursley’s house in Harry Potter. Some people may do it just to say a fuck you to the church.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        You just know those two would probably be the best of bottoms, passionate, silly and easy to laugh….much like my husbotter. Now I’m horny LOL but he’s working.

        • safari

          Words I will never forget .

    • 100 zillion lols!

    • Kruhn

      You naughty, naughty boys. Sit over here.

  • Happy Pride, Yall!

    i’m totally using it as an excuse to be Irresponsible. My gyno says i’m clean and i’m an atheist. i get her now. i’m that old. i can still dance anyone’s pants off. even if i’m a tad rounder these days. dammit, where is the #Queer function on this keyboard?

    mwah, and all my Love!

  • Blake J Butler
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Perfect!

    • Kruhn

      Oh Dan, a man who knows when to properly use foul language when it is most useful.

  • Karl Dubhe

    O/T Tsunami in the Arctic. West coast of Greenland, town of Illorsuit. Includes video. 9 injured.

    https://www.rt.com/news/392937-greenland-tsunami-flooding-evacuation/

  • Sam_Handwich

    https://twitter.com/annafifield/status/876617057663680513

    “They did what they were trained to do,” said Sykes, who said she hopes her son, from Herrin, Illinois, can come home to be with family as he works through what happened. “You have to realize most of them are 18, 19 and 20-year-olds living with guilt. But I told him, ‘There’s a reason you’re still here, and make that count.’”

    • Lazycrockett

      Drowning is my worse fear.

      • Ninja0980

        Getting burned alive is mine.

        • safari

          Speed is my worry. Whatever the ultimate fate: make it end.

      • houstonray

        Falling from a tall height is mine. And drowning.

  • safari

    O/T: It’s late, I’m drunker than I should be for work tomorrow, but let’s just be aware of this likely horror when we wake up
    https://twitter.com/yashar/status/876620362661773312

    • safari

      (And do not ignore the the *actual* horror in London at the moment)

    • Ernest Endevor

      That’s adorable. He’ll get his bar mitzvah in Israel.

      • TuuxKabin

        Hmmm, USA and Israel have extradition agreement only if dual criminality committed.

    • safari

      (Seriously, another_steve, whisper words to allow me to drift into the oblivion of sleep. If just for recreation on my part.)

      • another_steve

        Jared has sacrificed the joy of sex at the altar of money. A terrible pity. Money doesn’t make one happy. Look at all the enormously wealthy but terribly unhappy people in the world.

        Sex with me, however, might bring genuine happiness to Jared.

        On a good day. A very good day.

        A day when all my meds have kicked in and my thyroid hormone level is above the “clinically-dead” level.

        • TrollopeFan

          i hate your jared love and still remember issues with you from 5 years ago, but you are a good guy and I love you.

    • worstcultever

      scouting exile locations – (duh!)

    • johncAtl

      I’m not drunk (no really occifer – i’m not). But I may be extremely tipsy right now.

      • TuuxKabin

        Right now?

      • houstonray

        It’s been an hour, what about now? 🙂

    • edrex

      how drunk are you supposed to be for work?

    • William

      Could Jared be fleeing from justice?

    • coram nobis

      Or maybe about hotel properties on the Temple Mount. Think of it: the Trump Holy Sepulcher Hotel. The Trump Golden Mosque Casino. Praise Mammon from Whom all blessings flow.

  • Sam_Handwich

    i’m about halfway through the Megyn Kelly/Alex Jones interview. the whole piece is glued together by a scathing background about how crazy Jones is….. it’s only peppered with clips from the actual sit-down interview.

    if you want to watch it…
    http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/18/megyn-kelly-alex-jones-interview/

    • Treant

      I really don’t want to give her a click or a view.

      • TuuxKabin

        That’s why we have no tv. JMG gets our clicks and ‘recommended.’

        • johncAtl

          TV, Tv, tV, tv????? Oh, that’s the thing I’ve been waiting to have an online chat with Comcast about. I’ve watched this spinning circle for about 30 minutes, and it says the wait is about 6 minutes.

          • TuuxKabin

            Rinse cycle has to finish, yeah?

      • Sam_Handwich

        she basically scolds him the whole time

        it’s good as far as i’m concerned

        • johncAtl

          I trust your word, but I don’t want to give her the ratings.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            The last thing I want to do is give her a launching pad so I end up hearing about her on a weekly basis.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          ..did she leave that ability at home when it came to Putin?

    • Natty Enquirer

      Disappointing, lightweight interview. Kelly just isn’t convincing as a journalist. Of course, all Jones has to do is show up to come off like the immature, fidgety nutball he is.

  • TuuxKabin
    • johncAtl

      Oh, so we now have Reagan 2? Most of what is fucked up about me is because I watched almost all of my friends in the 80s/early 90s die. I woke up every morning while Reagan was president hoping to hear that he had died during the night.

      I need to come to NYC soon and have beer and pizza with you and hubby.

      • TuuxKabin

        Get on up here. We’re off to the west coast 15 August, and the 14th seeing a play I’m doing the insert for the ‘StageBill’, a post card souvenir of the play. Promo video is in the can, will BLAST out mid July to promote SUMMEFEST. A friend’s play was invited to be in the Hudson Theatre Guild’s participation of the festival. And el HubCapitan and I are mentioned in the play. RESIDUAL EFFECTS.

  • Dale Snyder

    This woman has never been a leader.

    She’s an embarrassment as a Chancellor.

  • Cuberly

    Have a friend, a libertarian software engineer, go figure. He’s lectured me on occasion about the danger of mapping supposedly “human” specific responses and emotions onto animals. Whereas I tend to think evolution informs us that the morphology of organisms bear incredible similarities physically, why can’t that extend to intellectual development specific to an organism’s environment, one we share. Sorry, for the rant but I love this.

    https://twitter.com/phil500/status/876424981206454272

    • Treant

      Tell your friend that he’s an idiot. Or not very observant. It’s very easy to observe recognizable emotional responses in all mammals, and it’s not that difficult in birds. Reptiles and fish I can’t get a read on but I merely reserve judgement there.

      • Cuberly

        Heh, well, he’s actually one of the most intelligent people I know. No joke. He has been diagnosed as being on the aspergers spectrum. And, I can see that.

        He’s got a good attitude about it most of the time, but some times he gets defensive in his opinions, which he doesn’t regard as being opinions but provable fact. Makes for an interesting friendship.

        • Treant

          Strangely, I’ve been asked (by the, again, not very observant) if I’m on the Asperger’s axis.

          Nope, sorry, I’m fully capable of reading somebody else’s emotional state (and quite good at it, actually). With most people, though, I just don’t care.

    • SoCalGal20

      All you have to do is look at people and their dogs to know your friend, or anybody else who says that, doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

      • Cuberly

        One of my favorite things is watching a dog’s eyebrows. I swear, you can see a hell of a lot of what’s going on in their head by watching how they move. Yeah I know it’s weird. But I’ve seen dogs shift their eyebrows nervously, confusedly, anxiously and hopefully.

        I remember reading a study where they posited, humans have a white sclera surrounding their eye, which appears to be a key indicator to a dog on what a human is thinking as far as intent. Dogs tend to focus on people’s eyes for cues. Position of a humans eye in relation to the white sclera portion resulted in a variety of distinct responses when it came to a dogs reaction.

        I find that sort of study rather fascinating.

      • lymis

        Absolutely. The problem is trying to map human thought one-to-one onto animals.

        There is absolutely no question that dogs have emotions and thoughts, and are capable of planning ahead, solving puzzles, and developing strategies for getting what they want.

        There’s also no question that at least some of it happens in their own doggy way that clearly doesn’t map one-to-one onto what would go on in a human mind. Can’t tell you how often we see a clear pattern of fairly sophisticated behavior, but have to think, “Well, I guess it makes sense to them!”

        Then again, I feel that way about Republicans most of the time, too.

        • just finished a book where one of the main characters was an uplifted dog. in the end, his essential difference became a major aspect of the plot. we just could never understand that intelligence is adaptive to the species. they know and reason about the stuff that matters to them. dogs are top chain predators. in the story, the humans failed to understand that to their peril.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      I’ve heard the same argument from professors of mine in the past. I always come to the point of “where does the cerebral development for Homo sapiens start that allows for emotions and where is or does that development in the brains of other primates end?” I never really quite an answer save for “the cerebrum is complicated.” (Yea, no shit, really?)

    • houstonray

      OK, that moved me to tears. It’s been a long week…time for bed. Thank you for sharing. Dr. Goodall is a living legend.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Treant

      Somebody had a great deal of fun with that headline. Bravo, writer. Bravo.

      • Sam_Handwich

        it’s rivaled only by the fabled food section classic:

        “You Can Put Pickles Up Yourself”

        • Treant

          Or the line from the church bulletin: “I upped my contribution! Up yours!”

          • Sam_Handwich

            The Low Self-Esteem Support Group will meet Thursday at 7 pm. Please use the back door.

    • Treant
    • OdieDenCO

      ok, but dinner and drinks first.

      • Ben in Oakland

        No beans.

        • Karl Dubhe

          Moar beans. 🙂

    • TuuxKabin

      Finally, a journey to the center of Uranus. Should be lotsa gas.

      • coram nobis

        Are they going to light it?

        • TuuxKabin

          If there’s a spark, it’ll cause the world to explode.

      • lymis

        Past Uranus lies unexplored space.

        • TuuxKabin

          I don’t remember which ancient culture it was I read about, SW American Native, saw Uranus as the gateway thru to more than meets the eye.

    • First thing that came to my mind is someone has bluelballs.

    • AJ Drew

      Is it just me, or if you look at that image for more than a few seconds, does it seem to move, like an Escher graphic or one of those trompe l’oeil artworks?

  • Lazycrockett

    American Gods was incredible fun.

  • Cuberly

    Oh joy, Damien and Lumpy Dumb Fuck are having a twitter battle.

    https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/876634506685333504

    • Cuberly
    • Moronic alt-right wannabe Ben Shapiro still can’t believe that Breitbart people are bigoted neonazis that do not think he is a real human being. Don’t you feel sorry for him?

      • Ninja0980

        Not at all.

      • Cuberly

        Heh, lil Ben was groomed from go to be a compulsive contrarian. His dad is f’n nutz and also worked at Breitbart. But gee, when the contrarian bullshit got too close to home they bailed.

        I sort of think of Ben and his dad the same way I think of Ted Cruz and his dad. LOTS of helicopter psycho parenting going on.

        Go figure.

        • Ninja0980

          Like Thomas Peters and his dad as well.
          Have to be blunt, at some point though you become your own person.
          Ben still chooses to be a far right dick so that fact others in that circle are turning on him is karma IMO.

          • Cuberly

            Ben lashes out at such random shit without any form of consideration. Like he was indoctrinated in a f’d up cult or something. How dare anyone infringe on his crazy! Seems to be his mania.

  • OT- New survey from Pew published on June 13. 4.1% of Americans now identify as LGBT, highest percentage yet. Key finding Americans are becoming more accepting in their views of LGBT people and homosexuality (63% – see link for details)
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/13/5-key-findings-about-lgbt-americans/

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2e92175676bd37525fd3a447522b6cf652f5f397f96169b66e3b57c5540c649d.jpg

    • I love this comment that someone left in the Pew post (link above) saying that 4.1% is an undercount– so true! 🙂
      ————————————————–
      “One other reason for the undercount is likely the use of the term ‘LGBT’ – it is disconsonant, esoteric, inaccurate, vague, redundant, and offensive. I know many gay people (myself and my husband included) but I have never met a ‘LGBT’. I would certainly self-identify as gay as I am completely out, but am not ‘LGBT’.”

      • Scout

        I agree that it’s an undercount, but don’t see what’s so offensive about LGBT. Most of that comment does not make sense to me. Seems like an effort to find offense where there is none. Why make extra problems for ourselves?

        • stevenj

          It never dawned on this “completely out self identifying gay” individual that he and his husband are the G in LGBT?

        • It is a dilemma. If you just say gay, you are missing other groups. But the term is an acronym. I don’t think the term is insensitive or offensive , it is a mouthful, and you do not hear people using it in spoken conversation much. I do think the answers was snarky to a certain degree.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Sure, that’s probably undercounted– has anyone talked with many teens lately? https://www.out.com/news-opinion/2016/3/11/less-50-teens-identify-straight-says-new-study
      — but as is that amount is pretty much more than American Jews, Muslims, Quakers, and Amish combined.

      • AJ Drew

        Even per that article, though… yes, da youths are more accepting of LGBT rights and even more willing to admit their own same-sex (or what was once-called being “sexflexible”,) attractions, but still don’t identify as LGBT, they’re just willing to be sexual, but when it comes to love and relationships, no surprise really, they’re “straight” if they have to choose one label.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          But doesn’t that almost call the very definitions of any identification into question? That is, “sure, I dig girls. Sometimes I could see liking a dude, too, but mostly girls. All of the above is good. I’m mostly hetero, so…” The exclusive 0 or 6 seems to hold less and less sway as more teens see nothing wrong with calling themselves “sexual”– with whom or whatever.

          Read as: they’re kind of finding the letter less and less clear, even a strange way to identify themselves. I think that’s great to be as open. They are very much on board with rights so, what they call themselves beyond categories sounds great to me.

          • AJ Drew

            I agree! The conundrum, though, is how to politicize that and get more folks to vote, because it’s currently all about labels? (And sadly, if DT et al, and perhaps more importantly, Pence as potential POTUS, *will* politicize it,) how to fight that?

          • metrosexual. it’s actually quite popular among the girls.

      • It is actually!

  • JCF

    Seems reasonable to me.

  • coram nobis
  • SoCalGal20

    So a 17-year old Muslim girl was outside her mosque with about 10 other girls on Saturday night in Fairfax, VA when a couple of guys in a truck pulled up, jumped with bats taking swings at people. They kidnapped the girl and apparently murdered her. Police believe they found her body in a pond on Sunday afternoon. One guy has been arrested.

    https://twitter.com/lisatozzi/status/876609162020519936

    • djcoastermark

      That is Horrifying. Even more so because it happened here, in the US. I hope justice is swift and harsh to the perps.

    • coram nobis

      That’s two incidents now. First Finsbury Park in London, now this. Both after religious services.

      • SoCalGal20

        Almost like terrorism or something…

        • Karl Dubhe

          I’m sure it’s a lone wolf.

          Yes, it seems there are packs of them. But he’ll be called a loner…

          • coram nobis

            Yes, but two incidents at the end of Ramadan? The scarier explanation is that it was not coordinated, but spontaneous.

          • JCF

            And “suffered from mental illness”.

        • fuzzybits

          I’m not saying so, but one could say it makes the tower fire look suspicious.

        • coram nobis

          I believe the term is “stochastic terrorism.”

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I bet neither Caitlyn Jenner nor her bestie Trump will say anything about this. Only people like them matter.

      • Reality.Bites

        Which in Jenners case means caring only about herself. She’s one of a kind. I think California made it a law

    • Lazycrockett

      The more shit like this that happens, the less I care bout rural white america ODing on Fentanyl.

    • fuzzybits

      Theses monsters were laying low and that MF resident in the White House enabled them and emboldened them!

    • AJ Drew

      I just don’t understand it. Sadly reminds me of the “they parked in the wrong spot” excuse horror.

      http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/22/the-story-of-a-hate-crime

    • TuuxKabin

      Cannot upvote, for the horror of it, but thank you for informing us.

  • SoCalGal20
    • Cuberly

      “The best people.”

      –Donald Trump

    • Ninja0980

      Please run for governor Preet, you’ll have my support.

    • bambinoitaliano

      He’s been tweeting up a storm countering the shit gibbon. It’s fun to watch him eviscerate them.

      • TuuxKabin

        . . . the shit gibbon. Yesterday I over heard a youngster refer to him as ‘shit begone,’ had to laugh out loud.

        • bambinoitaliano

          We can only hope.

  • Lazycrockett

    The Last Week Tonight story bout coal needs to be posted to every rural white people you know.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Is this the one where John Oliver points out that just ONE retail company employs more people than the entire coal industry?

      • TuuxKabin

        Yeah, Penny’s employs a whole lot more. 114,000 I think it is, may be mistaken,watched it blurry eyed.

  • Cuberly

    This is, wow, such a reversal from the horror prior to the French election. Like I said, wow. It’s as if Trump scared a LOT of voters. Imagine that. Should be noted though that the turnout was the lowest on record.

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/876516117933694977

    • AJ Drew

      The “lowest turnout” of voters is concerning, though.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    OT but amid all the crazy news here’s a glimmer of hope.

    Five officials will face manslaughter charges for Flint water crisis
    will all face involuntary manslaughter charges related to their alleged failure to act in the Flint Water Crisis
    http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2017/06/five_official_charged_with_man.html

    Wyoming Town Hall Replaces Donald Trump Portrait With Photo Of Native American Chief
    When the Town Of Jackson decides to honor such a divisive person, it is taking sides against some of its residents
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wyoming-town-hall-donald-trump-native-american_us_593eb8dee4b0b13f2c6c9e99

  • Nicolethagopian

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  • Rebecca Gardner
    • William

      I hope Newt gets to finish out his days in a federal prison.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        ADX Florence for him and all of them, especially Trump.

      • Treant

        I’d be happy with a very messy suicide and Callista having to get a job at Macy’s.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I want Callista to dump his ass not because I like her but for once I want him to be considered the “damaged goods” and know what it’s like to be at the bottom then shat on.

        • AJ Drew

          He does not care! How could he possibly not know that feeling already?

      • Reality.Bites

        Let’s not be cruel though. Let’s also hope he gets a very very very short sentence.

      • i want to abolish all federal prisons.

        no one deserves to serve out their term differently than the vast majority of other prisoners. put rich white guys in the tank with the rapists, murderers and violent assault convicts. someone here once posted a rather dramatic side by side gif of the difference between rich white guy jail and real jail and it was appalling.

        • BobSF_94117

          ? Federal prisons are not more lenient places (though they are better run and, therefore, safer — which is a good thing). If you’re complaining that the federal system offers a range of types of prisons, tailored for different levels of criminality, that’s a good thing, too.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      How is palmerreport in terms of accuracy?

      I know that Obama had suspicions but I wonder if he had any idea how crazy much and far this stuff went before he left.

      • AJ Drew

        Good question! All I can find as a “review” of Palmer Report is equally suspect, perhaps…

        https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/palmer-report/

        • JT

          Yes, the site in the link you give looks very suspect. Here’s something else though (see link below).

          The Gingrich item from Palmer seems based only on a tweet from someone called Puesto Loco (!) whose intel sources, we are told, have been right before.

          http://www.businessinsider.com/the-palmer-report-bill-louise-mensch-2017-5

          • TuuxKabin

            Hmm, ‘puesto loco’ translates “I placed/put crazy” . . . in Spanish. But his intel sources have been right before . . . wonderin’.

          • AJ Drew

            Hmm, I think the take-away from that article about Palmer Report was the quote “every once in a blue moon, the tin hat can fit.”

    • JCF

      Is the “Palmer Report” a reputable source? [I’ve never heard of it.]

    • TuuxKabin

      Waiting to see if this gets any traction . . . too many false hopes get stirred up so easily.

      • i k, r? i will pray to jeebus every day for the rest of my life if newtie goes to the pen. rilly.

        • TuuxKabin

          I’ll at least light a candle, yeah.

          • bambinoitaliano

            A scented one just to rid of the stench the maggot infested marshmallow left behind.

          • TuuxKabin

            If it happens soon, geranium scented, lemon geranium. Having success with ’em in window box, easily brought indoors at the end of the season, and good infused into gin. So, HUDSON11 posted. Hic.

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  • TuuxKabin
  • JT
  • Boreal
  • Leo

    This got lost in the latest news deluge of the sailors’ death, tower fire and van attack but incredibly disturbing and sad:

    • Joe in PA

      I know…I was reading about just last night. Her attacker was apparently yelling anti-muslim slurs. I’m sure Trump will comment. Not.

      And this was in Fairfax VA (well-to-do DC suburb).

    • TuuxKabin

      Horrible. Not much comfort, but a crowdsourced fundraiser for Nabra’s family has collected more than $115,000 in donations as of early Monday.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teen-girl-slain-leaving-prayer-virginia-mosque-article-1.3258677

    • bambinoitaliano

      Between her and the victims in London we are seeing the emerge of the White taliban/al queda.

  • Kruhn

    So they’re talking Jamaica and stop sign coalitions again? Jamaica means Christian Democrats whose party color is black (although the Bavaria have a sister party called the Social Christians who use blue– don’t ask) , Free Democrats (European Liberals and sit on the right) whose party color is yellow, and Greens whose party color is obvious and stop sign means Social Democrats (party color red), Liberals and Greens. These have been announced since forever. Usually if the Christian Democrats get most seats, they join with the Free Democrats and the Social Democrats usually join the Greens when they win. Problem is that the recent elections have had these weird swings which have formed weird coalitions, most recently a left-right “grand coalition” for the past four years.

    Sorry for the primer on German politics, but hopes it helps out.

    BTW, the leader of the Free Democrats, Guido Westerll, who was the Foreign Minister and number 2 in Angela Merkel’s previous government, is gay. So yay Greens! Let’s push for marriage equality in stodgy old Germany.

    Angela, come on gurrrl say yes to marriage equality. We need you to slap some sense on the Mangled Apricot Hellbeast. Do you really want to be on the same side of marriage equality as Him?!?!?!?!

  • TuuxKabin
  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    First German LGBT Mosque: German-Turkish women’s rights activist Seyran Ates has pulled off an almost impossible task of opening the first LGBT-friendly “liberal” mosque in Berlin, Germany. Muslim men and women, irrespective of their castes, creeds, nationalities and sexual orientations, can attend the mosque to pray together. Ibn-Rushd-Goethe-Mosque is the first open-minded mosque of its kind in the country and is named after Ibn Rushd, a 12th century Andalusian Islamic scholar and Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, the German playwright. The mosque is located inside a Protestant church, on a busy shopping street in the immigrant neighborhood of Moabit, Berlin.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/germany-welcomes-first-lgbt-mosque/