Liberty Counsel Blames SPLC For Virginia Shooting

From a press release published today by Christian Newswire:

The D.C. shooter was a Facebook fan of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a reckless organization that falsely labels people and organizations as “haters” or “hate groups.” The SPLC has now admitted James Hodgkinson “liked” the SPLC on Facebook.

In 2015, the SPLC wrote an article promoting the idea that Rep. Scalise promoted white supremacy and supported a “hate group” founded by former KKK member David Duke. The SPLC article clearly tries to infer that Rep. Scalise is a so-called “hater” and supporter of a “hate group.”

“The Southern Poverty Law Center not only promotes hate but its reckless and false labeling provides the motivation for extremists to commit acts of terrorism against innocent people,” said Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel.

“To falsely label people with whom you disagree as ‘haters’ or ‘hate groups’ is irresponsible, dangerous and deadly. The Southern Poverty Law Center is intent on destroying pro-family organizations. This dangerous action by the SPLC must cease. How many attempted mass murders and violent crimes will it take for the SPLC to stop this dangerous labeling? The SPLC must cease and desist,” said Staver.

From the referenced 2015 SPLC article:

Just days before the new Congress was sworn in on Jan. 6, a Louisiana blogger named Lamar White Jr. broke the story that Scalise, who was elected to the GOP leadership post in June 2014, had given a speech in 2002 to a group of neo-Nazis and white supremacists organized by former Klan leader David Duke.

Initially, Scalise said he didn’t remember speaking to the workshop held by the European-American Unity and Rights Organization (EURO), a well-known Louisiana-based hate group started by Duke under a slightly different name in 2000. Then he said that he probably had, but had no idea of the politics of the group, and in any case now regretted his “mistake” in appearing at its gathering. Louisiana Republican leaders and, eventually, most national GOP leaders fell in behind him, saying Scalise was a good man who’d made a simple error in judgment.

But Scalise’s claim of ignorance was almost impossible to believe. Scalise was a state representative in his 20s when Duke ran for the U.S. Senate in 1990 and governor in 1991. Duke ultimately lost both races, but he earned more than 600,000 votes in each of them, as well as global notoriety. Duke and his organizations, including EURO, received enormous amounts of publicity between 1989 and the 2002 meeting.

 

  • Michael R
  • Jonathan Smith
  • HZ81

    Yes, because pointing out hate groups creates hate. Kinda like how pointing out racism makes you the racist.

    Oh, wingers.

    • Lizard

      Wingnuts.

  • Ron Robertson

    Little mit-mat, aren’t you supposed to be going to jail soon for aiding a kidnapping? I don’t think your views are worth your toilet leavings.

  • anne marie in philly

    the SLPC fights piece of shit like you; FUCK YOU, MAT!

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Ooooh, Mattie, you delicate fucking snowflake. The shooting was days ago and only now you’re trying to smear the SPLC? Honey, us libruls have already been smeared by far better than you. SAD!

    You know, if you want to stay relevant and useful, why don’t you offer your superior legal skills and sterling track record of achievement to help our President?

    • Joe in PA

      He finally got around to reading FRC’s “press release” saying the exact same thing.

    • northern_neighbour

      You know it is a slow day down in humid Lake Mary Florida and the A/C is sluggish in his 3 million dollar mansion.

      He had to turn to something before his donut glazed totally over.

  • Joe in PA

    its reckless and false labeling….

    Projection much?

  • Lazycrockett

    Really we are now blaming organizations on a facebook like?

    • Joe in PA

      Hey, he takes his shots when he can…it’s all he’s got.

      • Boreal

        Now he can do a moneybeg on his own FB page. Those multiple mortgages aren’t going to pay themselves.

    • Tawreos

      This was better thought out than most of his lawsuits

  • The_Wretched

    SPLC limits itself to statements for which it has solid evidence. They also win cases that they are involved with. LC? Not so much.

    Also, “Proximate Cause” matters. It’s not enough to say x –> y unless you show the arrow too. I get that LC is trying to mirror FUD so they have a ‘both sides’ again but it’s entirely bs here.

  • Christopher

    You know he’s thrilled that the mentally ill can now purchase guns.

    That way his supporters can be well armed, if they aren’t already.

    • Tawreos

      They already were, but now it is legal that they are armed.

  • Rex

    “To falsely label people with whom you disagree as ‘haters’ or ‘hate groups’ is irresponsible, dangerous and deadly” – and isn’t that exactly what he’s said about the LGBT community?

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    • Kruhn

      But gays are not people. They’re degenerate pedophiles! /s

      • northern_neighbour

        Oh well in that case, maybe Staver can stave off conviction for hate -monging on a technicality. Certainly a Fox News Anchor would always give him a pass on invoking the Gay Panic Defence.

      • RoFaWh

        Worse than that, it’s not clear that the evil fags are even human.

        /snark [in case of misunderstanding]

        What has the world come to when obvious snark has to be explicitly labeled?

        • David Walker

          Understood. Still, it doesn’t hurt to /s it.

          • northern_neighbour

            So visitors can differentiate at times from the Trolls …

            I mean for most of us it is so obvious.

            But it is amazing how many AltReich types out there haven’t got a clue when irony hits them square between the eyeballs.

            Concrete, linear, rigid as cement and never a good laugh, not ever!

    • 2patricius2

      One does not have to know the internal workings of a person’s mind to know whether that person’s actions and words are hateful. “By their fruit will you know them.” The SPLC goes by words and actions, not by motivation. But then Liberty Counsel doesn’t want to face who and what they themselves are.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Why oh why is Mat Staver not getting a piece of all of this bonanza of lawyer work in the White House? Not fair.

  • Bob Conti

    Oh just piss off, and go lose another lawsuit.

  • Ninja0980

    “To falsely label people with whom you disagree as ‘haters’ or ‘hate groups’ is irresponsible, dangerous and deadly”
    But it’s okay to smear them as pedophiles, sinners and a threat to a way of life right Mat?

    • Jonathan Smith

      sure i t’s in the bible, aint it?

      • Hanwi

        Bilebull, fixed that for you 😉

        • Jonathan Smith

          thanks 🙂

      • boatboy_srq

        Right there in 1 Mammon 29:95: But shouldst thou encounter righteous anger from the unGodly that thou dost meet, thou shouldst denounce it as unwarranted because thy condemnations have never hurt Them; the ghosts of their peers whom thou has stoned and beheaded will bear witness to thine innocence.

        • Jonathan Smith

          thats…..kinda scary

          • boatboy_srq

            I defy anyone to refute that that’s how FundiEvangelists view the unSaved.

  • Mark Née Fuzz

    On account of the way the SPLC sucks up to the NRA and shoots down gun control legislation every time it comes up. Yeah. guilty.

  • Karl Dubhe

    There has to be something in the water. This much crazy just isn’t right.

  • Michael R

    Steve Scalise once described himself as ‘David Duke without the baggage’

    • Joe in PA

      How dare you go and repeat his own words!

      • Daveed_WOW

        That’s how false accusations get started. By quoting people’s confessions verbatim.

  • bkmn

    Dear Mr. Mueller, can you look into the scam this guy is running too?

  • Boreal

    ‘The SPLC has now admitted James Hodgkinson “liked” the SPLC on Facebook.’

    Yeah, if FB had been around in 1941, Hitler would have ‘liked’ the bible. See how that works?

    • Jay George

      I posted a meme once. I wonder if Liberty Counsel will blame me as well.

      • Boreal

        You are guilty of meme posting and witchcraft. Report to your local church for summary punishment.

        • Karl Dubhe

          No! Please no. I’ll do anything to avoid falling asleep out of religious boredom.

          /s

          • Boreal

            Omg, as a kid I remember being sooooooo bored in church. Once I was asked to leave Sunday school for good, my parents just left me at home on Sunday’s. Pardon the pun but it was heaven.

          • Jay George

            I got spanked every single Sunday because I was a little, little kid and they demanded I sit stock still for over three hours at a stretch. Good times. :p

          • Boreal

            I was asked to leave SS because I wanted to know why the bible didn’t mention the dinosaurs that I knew were in the fossil record, after all we learned about them in real school.
            I was considered disruptive.

          • Tawreos

            Proving you’re a heathen up front gets you out of a lifetime of boredom

          • Boreal
          • RoFaWh

            At 14, when Sunday School got rolling again in the fall, I went the first Sunday, discovered the teacher was the same jerk as the previous year, went home, and told my mother I wasn’t going back. She didn’t object.

          • Jay George

            Yep, lots of them religious types don’t hold with thinking. Only rote regurgitation will do. I’m glad for you that you got bounced. 🙂

          • netxtown

            hmmmm…so you liked to be spanked…. mmmmm….

          • Jay George

            Didn’t like it a bit. Still don’t. Today if anybody hits me, they damn sure better know I will hit ’em back.

          • shivadog

            I would have been so happy to stay home. I also found it intolerably boring. When I was 15 my parents finally said I was old enough to decide if I wanted to go to church or not. Haven’t been back since.

  • AdamTh

    Hey Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel — the shooter had to ask if the players were Republicans or Democrats, so I really doubt he even knew who your Scalise guy is….

    • Hank

      Also, had he REALLY known who Scalise was, he would have most likely found out, that as Majority Whip, he had police protection with him.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Rex

      He will screw an entire country out of animus for Obama.

      • RoFaWh

        You have hit the nail squarely on the head with “animus”. I think this in part explains the orange asshole’s willingness to implement purely destructive policies: what better way to get back at that n-word? That he’s fucking up the country in innumerable ways while he pursues his own petty agenda (caused by being roasted by Obama) is of no concern to his orange anality.

        What an asshole!

    • Daveed_WOW

      That’s how you pander to the bigots. Well done, sir. Well done.

    • safari

      So, this means the deal is mostly intact?

      • Lazycrockett

        He just needs to hold up that menu thingy he signs and the PR stunt will be complete.

    • Lazycrockett

      Yet not a word bout Russia, Saudi Arabia or the Philippines.

    • billbear1961
      • RoFaWh

        That drawing needs to take some anti-prudery serum and get its author to remove that extraneous drapery and install a proper erection instead.

    • Hank

      He is BUYING Little Marco’s Vote for TrumpCare!!! Little Marco will sell out the citizens of the State of Florida in a heartbeat!!

    • billbear1961
    • PickyPecker
  • Ninja0980

    Will he mention how he violated the embargo himself?

    • Tomcat

      I expect a large weapons sale very soon to Cuba in exchange for some land for hotel and golf course.

    • Boreal

      Those rules only apply to ‘other’ people.

  • Boreal
    • Ninja0980

      And the same Republicans saying the left needs to take responsibility for what happened earlier this week have said nothing about their PP smears that led to this guy doing what he did.

    • The_Wretched

      The standard for competence to stand trial is extremely low. They find hyper-medicated people on psychotic breaks to be fit to stand trial.

      • Boreal

        The standard for competence to buy a gun is non-existent.

    • JWC

      and he has the same buggy eyes of most GOP women

      • being slightly serious to your comment, i have wondered about that. i have thyroid issues and take medication to alleviate that, as does my sister. if you don’t suffer from an irregular thyroid, it can be hard to understand what a rollercoaster they can be. again, the answer here is multifaceted, in the sense that the way to avoid having nutjobs go on killing sprees with automatic weapons? health care. along with education and jobs. but health care must include both physiological evaluations as well as the psych kind.

        • JWC

          was not meaning to step on anytoes or meaning to insensitive

  • another_steve

    I blame your mama for giving birth to you, you Liberty Counsel piece of shit. Was your mama drinking alcohol and smoking during her pregnancy with you?

    That might explain you today.

  • Daveed_WOW

    Doesn’t SPLC CORRECTLY label hate groups? Somebody should tell this guy. Oh wait….

  • billbear1961

    I don’t hate you, Staver.

    Nooooooo, I just think you should be stripped of every goddamned right you’ve got.

    Why?

    Because it’s what YOU would like to do to MILLIONS of your fellow citizens, people you never TIRE of LYING about, out of vindictive HATRED, and for MONEY, in direct violation of your faith’s commandments.

    The ONLY individual who deserves to lose his rights is the one who would deprive his neighbours of THEIRS.

    And I think THAT argument is a lot stronger than any of the deceitful GARBAGE I’ve ever heard YOU spew!

    Fuck off–the SPLC is one of the finest organizations in this country.

    And when they have evidence that PROVES someone is a hatemonger or hangs out with hatemongers, they have every right to produce that evidence!

  • It would be interesting to see who “likes” Liberty Counsel on Facebook.

  • Tawreos

    If he had liked Oreo cookies would they be responsible too, or is it only organizations that calls your friends and clients haters?

  • Professor Barnhardt

    OT: Happy 21st birthday, Steele Johnson.

    Yes, that’s his real name.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_Johnson

    No pix, because I don’t want to come to the attention of IT.

  • Cuberly

    Note those razor sharp lawyer-like powers of deduction.

    No wonder they lose every case they get.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/875770788821045248?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
    Yea, fuck you homocon.
    St. Ronnie let people die and you, Sullivan and others trying to do a history revision won’t fly.

  • Max_1

    Do not forget this juicy headline from 10 months ago…

    Donald Trump Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

    • JWC

      I could be aliitle off center here but this comment ny trump towrds Hillary differs in how many ways from Kathy Griffins stupid joke He became 45 she got fired?

  • Crow on a Top Hat

    Uh oh, I think I’ve made that soap company I ‘liked’ once responsible for my life choices…

  • blah blah blah, nobody cares what you think, you sad, old, racist hypocrite. you’re probably glad of the attention Joe gives you, cause otherwise an even greater percentage of people would say “Who?” when your name is mentioned. go suck the active end of one of your followers’ favorite penis substitutes.

  • Megrim Twist
  • Silver Badger

    Mat Staver proves once again that you don’t have to be female to be a skank

  • Blake Jordan

    That is quite the reach he has… 😂😂😂

  • Steverino

    Another feature of right-wing junk thought (in addition to psychological projection): the exception invalidates the rule.

  • Jonathan Smith
  • Ginger Snap

    It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with I don’t know maybe that any fucking idiot can own a gun in this country. No it must be something else that is the cause.

  • Tawreos

    Every time I see that picture at the top of the article I get the feeling he is about to tell us all about the time the aliens picked him up and gave him a good probing before they dropped him off in a field.

    • Jonathan Smith

      they should have kept him

      • Tawreos

        They had the option, sadly, we don’t

    • David Raymore

      Matt Staver looks like a constipated gopher with those buckteeth. May be the aliens did something to his teeth besides that good ass probing.

    • djcoastermark

      We’ll never hear about it from him. Every time he thinks about the probing he begins to squirm,
      ,
      ,
      ,
      ,
      with pleasure.

    • Cattleya1

      Didn’t drop him far enough.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/875774130334859264
    While you’re whining about being called a traitor, my second cousin just e-mailed me and a bunch of other relatives to let us know how telling her parents about her being a lesbian went.
    Suffice to say, even though we all knew (and she did too) that they weren’t going to take it well, hearing the words you are no longer our daughter is still a hard thing to hear and it’s a hell of a lot worse then anything Guy, Moore or other homocons heard this week.
    And yet they whine and complain when we call them out for supporting people who push the kind of mentality that leads to parents rejecting their LGBT children.
    Take your own advice Guy and GFO.
    Sorry for the rant but I’m really, REALLY ticked off right now over this and if I had a twitter account, would be giving some of these folks a piece of my mind.

    • Boreal

      I feel for your cousin but not worthless homocon scum.

      • Ninja0980

        Me either, especially when they say people like my aunt and uncle aren’t hateful people.
        Like hell they aren’t.
        You reject your own flesh and blood over something like this, you’re a bigot, period.

        • Poor girl. There is nothing worse than learning that your parents love is conditional. To toss a child away for anything is beyond horrid. And what I find saddest is that many if not most of their church buddies will tell the parents, “they did the right thing. you have to cut the root and branch of evil from your heart.”

    • Treant

      Shit. Is she a teenager? Can you possibly help her out? Can we possibly help her out–somebody has to be local to her?

      If she’s independent and it’s “just” a matter of dealing with that shit, please encourage all your relatives to remind her that they are her family and she still has one.

      Also, I can send you dead and rotting roses for her parents, and a list of The Worst Nursing Homes in America to give to your second cousin. It might come in handy. Just sayin’ is all.

    • Christian1234567

      Your poor cousin! That is heartbreaking. I don’t understand how anyone could reject his/her child simply because of how that child was born. That is an evil, heartless thing to do. Your cousin is lucky to have you (and I hope lots of other loved ones) in her corner, as she needs to be surrounded by love and support. I can’t even imagine her pain.

      • Ninja0980

        She has a lot of strong support so she’ll be fine.
        It’ll still take some time to get over the hurt though.

  • PickyPecker
    • Boreal

      I vote for the deer. Deer is also smarter and could probably win a court case.

    • Jonathan Smith
      • Boreal

        Now that was mean. I cried for Bambi’s mom when I was a boy.

        • Jonathan Smith
          • bookie here, telling all the younglings and not exposed to the best of fiction types: read the book. the movie people, FSM bless them, did it right and got all the best people. but the book itself is even funnier and more romantic than the movie. i read the book when i was a young girl, and i was so happy to see how well the film people did their version. but my viewing experience was enriched by having read the book, bigly.

          • Macbill

            For a moment in my Wake-and-Bake Mode, I thought you were referring to Bambi, and I thought, “Damn, I didn’t know it was a book.”

          • wake n bake is the only way to go, and i think bambi actually is a book, but i’ve not read that, where i have read TPB. so long ago, when i was just a little girl, just like the little boy in the story. sigh…

          • Macbill

            re: Bambi: Damn I didn’t know it was a book. I should read TPB. I like children’s books bigly.

          • oleander

            related to our prior sci-fi convo – this is the most interesting more modern sci-fi story I’ve read in like a decade, though I’m that sort of nerd that a libertarian’s ‘honest’, game-theory-based exploration of ethics in the context of first contact with extraterrestrials was stimulating stuff. I do recommend it if that sounds at all intriguing – I am perpetually amused that people hated the ‘normal’ ending enough that the author wrote a ‘true’ ending that makes me physically ill to think about.

            http://lesswrong.com/lw/y4/three_worlds_collide_08/

          • Loved, loved loved the book! Was worried about how they would butcher the story when it came to screen, but they did do a great job translating it to film. Indigo was captured perfectly.

      • billbear1961

        WT . . ?

        🙁

  • “The SPLC article clearly tries to infer that Rep. Scalise is a so-called ‘hater’ and supporter of a ‘hate group.'”

    Guys like Mat always going on about how they hate being called “haters” which is odd considering all the more colorful/graphic names we have for him & his cronies. Is it because they’re trying to keep their press releases G-rated that they’re reluctant to type out “shit-brained ass bags”?

  • MikeBx2

    1. He was not a “fan” of the SPLC, otherwise he’d know that attempting to murder these haters goes against everything for which they stand.
    2. That “hate group” designation really has the right impact, proven by how hard the hate groups constantly try to put an end to it.

  • ted-

    Evil never dies. It’s true…

    • northern_neighbour

      Pat Robertson is living proof, … so far at least.

  • BlindBill

    Funny how the shooting story never got to what kind of gun(s) was used, if it was obtained legally, how many other guns the shooter owned. .. or other gun related info we usually see … NRA lobby?

  • acde

    The hypocrisy is always reckless and false labeling, not to mention astounding.

    • Keroleen

      Glad this is out there, but unfortunately it won’t do much good, as the people who most need to see it tend to consider Snopes an unreliable source laden with left-wing bias. Of course, they believe that of virtually all fact-checking sites, so at least Snopes is in good company.

  • CatCope

    Wow, let’s see who’s all to blame, shall we: Shakespeare Plays, Comedy Central, Kathy Griffin & now SPLC. I maintain the real suspect is J. Hodgkinson.

    • you ignorant Fool! you forgot to blame “rap music” and “explicit lyrics” that make Tipper Gore very uncomfortable in her womanly parts. did you know “rap music” was made by… black gangsters who want to rape rich white women from the South? she was very, very, very concerned about this vibrator fantasy criminal behavior for a long, dong, strong time. we have stickers now, to protect our women and her to thank for that! Amen!

      • RoFaWh

        It’s all those dirty, long haired, pot smoking hippies you have to blame. Filthy vegans, too. And Buddhists: don’t get me going about them!

        /s

        I’m surprised, given the generally Neanderthal outlook of the orange asshole’s administration, that they haven’t tried to outlaw tie-dyed fabric.

  • The Milkman

    List of things that will keep you from being labeled a hate group by the SPLC:

    1. Don’t be hateful.

    Fin.

    • Jonathan Smith

      why make it so hard to achieve?

      • MBear

        Becuz jeebus

  • OT- Remember the Canova guy who ran against Debbie Wasserman Schultz here in Florida for Congress — who Bernie backed — who lost to her in the Democratic Primary last year? In Fort Lauderdale / South Palm Beach Country area? Well he announced yesterday he is challenging her again. But here’s the rub. He is now a conspiracy theorist and has been promoting Julian Assange’s and other claims that Seth Rich died at the hands of the DNC. (Mom and I are active members of the quite large South Palm Beach County Democratic Club and I can assure everyone this clown has no chance) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/16/1672217/-Morning-Digest-Canova-pushing-conspiracies-about-Seth-Rich-seeks-rematch-with-Wasserman-Schultz
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f7bc514e5de67bf8e5c91b31d51b360a9bb2b56886cefb2991e034c0396fe64f.jpg

  • Frostbite

    Law firm that can’t win a case says what?

  • Jim Gallagher-Barker

    Liberty Counsel blames SPLC for rhetoric that encouraged the congressional shooter, yet sees no connection between their own rhetoric and its impact on the lives of LGBT Americans.

    The irony. /s

    • RoFaWh

      Of course they wouldn’t! What else could you expect?

  • Richard B

    Aside from losing almost every case he has ever touched, Mat Staver has confused the Southern Poverty Law center’s reporting on groups promoting discrimination and demonization of the LGBTQ to groups like Mat Staver’s that do the harming.
    Mat Staver is a simply a hypocrite.
    His quotes above is proof he is one of those kinds of religious conservatives that justifies spreading false witness.

  • SFBruce

    I’m so loving this new unity. So different from what we experienced before yesterday’s tragedy.

  • June Gordon

    Imply, not infer, you idiot lawyer.

  • June Gordon

    They are picking up the ball Family Research Council tossed. Tony Perkins is still butthurt about being correctly labeled “running a hate group.”

  • david fairfield

    When bigotry and hatred are bestowed on lgbt’s and those (not) hate groups happen to ‘like’ Liberty Counsel on Facebook, do you take accountability for that? WELL DO YOU??

    • Jonathan Smith

      don’t be silly.
      of COURSE not

    • MBear

      LOLOLOLOL

      • david fairfield

        I know. I had trouble writing it…..

  • Comixbear

    Standard GOP method…Claim that someone who has NO ties to an issue is responsible, while those demanded that the loonatics have a right to have a gun aren’t responsible for a loonatic having a gun.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Does anyone actually listen to this buffoon anymore?

    Your shtick is old, out dated and completely spent Matthew. Why not just retire to Mind-the-Lego with 45.

    • grada3784

      You expect him to pay the membership fee? No way!!!!

  • Nychta

    Staver makes it sound as though Scalise was specifically targeted, but the shooter had to ask whether those on the field were Democrats or Republicans. I doubt he was after Scalise personally – it seems like he wanted to take out some Republicans, whoever they were. A crime nonetheless, but the reported facts undercut Staver’s argument.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    I’m surprised they didn’t blame the rainbow flag.

  • Joseph Miceli

    I vote that we rename Matt Staver as “Princess Projectra.” If I have to explain that then you aren’t geeky enough to talk to me .😃

  • JCF