Creationist Seeks To Prove Grand Canyon Formed By Noah’s Flood, Sues Park For Religious Discrimination

The Atlantic reports:

“How did the Grand Canyon form?” is a question so commonly pondered that YouTube is rife with explanations. Go down into the long tail of Grand Canyon videos, and you’ll eventually find at a two-part, 35-minute lecture by Andrew Snelling.

The first sign this isn’t a typical geology lecture comes comes about a minute in, when Snelling proclaims, “The Grand Canyon does provide a testament to the biblical account of Earth’s history.”

Snelling is a prominent young-Earth creationist. For years, he has given lectures, guided biblical-themed Grand Canyon rafting tours, and worked for the nonprofit Answers in Genesis. (The CEO of Answers in Genesis, Ken Ham, is also behind the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter theme park.)

Young-Earth creationism, in contrast to other forms of creationism, specifically holds that the Earth is only thousands of years old. Snelling believes that the Grand Canyon formed after Noah’s flood—and he now claims the U.S. government is blocking his research in the canyon because of his religious views.

The suit was filed by the Alliance Defending Freedom. Of course. From their press release:

Alliance Defending Freedom allied attorney Michael L. Kitchen, along with ADF staff attorneys, filed suit in federal court Tuesday against the U.S. Department of the Interior, the National Park Service, and Grand Canyon National Park on behalf of an experienced geologist who was denied a research permit because of his Christian beliefs.

Dr. Andrew Snelling holds a Ph.D. in Geology from the internationally acclaimed University of Sydney. Dr. Snelling has conducted geological research in Australia and the United States, published works in peer-reviewed journals, and has substantial field and laboratory experience with both theoretical and practical geological research.

Nonetheless, National Park Service officials denied his routine request to obtain a few fist-sized rock samples from the Grand Canyon after learning of his Christian views about the Earth’s beginnings. Despite the fact that Dr. Snelling had accomplished prior research in the Canyon, Park officials ran him through a gamut of red tape for more than three years.

When public records requests revealed that Park officials were specifically discriminating against Dr. Snelling’s faith, additional requests for the research permit to be issued were made by attorneys and even a member of the United States Congress. Only after the Park Service failed to respond to those repeated requests did Dr. Snelling bring suit against the officials.

The Park Service says Snelling’s request was denied because the rocks he seeks can easily be found outside the Grand Canyon and because his research is not scientifically valid. (Tipped by JMG reader Stephen)

  • lukefromcanada

    should be interesting, just because you SAY something doesnt make it true. Can he prove that they discriminated against him because of his views?

    • Silver Badger

      Well they did say that his research was not scientifically valid.

    • Tawreos

      The park service followed procedure and sent the request out to be vetted by scientists that basically laughed at his proposal because his science was basically non-existent.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    One flood would not make the Grand Canyon. It took millions of years of erosion. You don’t need to be a scientist to understand this process. All that is required is some smarts greater than that of a cabbage.

    • safari

      But that’s not in the bible.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Mythology can’t answer all questions.

        • Silver Badger

          Sure it can. That is what mythology is all about. That does not necessarily mean those answers are any more valid than Mr. Snelling’s research.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            It can answer questions about the past, it can’t answer questions about modern tech or post modern science. I love mythology; there are some great stories and it’s interesting to see how ancient peoples viewed the world. But to take it as more than that is foolish and dangerous.

          • Silver Badger

            Mythology is interesting. Believing it is foolish and dangerous.

          • grada3784

            Zeus will get you for that.

    • Dejerrity Mycron

      Stop using logic, they won’t understand.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Yeah, I can’t really help it. And I’m not all that interested in making them understand. Hopefully those not already brainwashed can discover science for themselves.

        • David Walker

          They’ll have to. They certainly won’t get it being home-schooled.
          “The Grand Canyon was carved by god, like you use your finger on a frosted window.”
          “So what you’re saying is that god can’t draw a straight line?”

          • Reality.Bites

            Of course he can. Look at the borders of Colorado and Wyoming.

          • Menergy

            good one! Or New Mexico, Arizona…..

          • “Um, the shape was part of God’s plan…”

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            The GC is beautiful and awe inspiring. I’ve always wondered what the first people felt and thought about when seeing it completely untouched by man the first time.

        • Andymac3

          Still whoring your ‘facts’ and ‘evidence’ around. Well, this is the t’inter-net, we’ve got choices. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d07c1993bb9c56c04bbe56d710c6c59a5bf6cd4b65e24cbb7d3562853705811.jpg

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Yep. I love whoring facts and evidence. It’s fun and makes me tingle.

    • TuuxKabin

      Appears his head of cabbage has been shredded into cole slaw.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        LOL. I like coleslaw, but not idiots.

    • vorpal 😼

      Funny that the Chinese – who have long recorded history that I believe precedes the time frame in which Noah would have existed – lack any mention of a worldwide flood that killed them all.

      • BockMcMillan

        The Chinese aren’t Xstians, of course the bloody heathens would cover up any such knowledge they had…

        • vorpal 😼

          LOL good point… like how dinosaur fossils are god’s way of testing our faith.

        • Nic Peterson

          Work of Satan and all that blah blah blah.

          • -M-

            That’s the thing about magical thinking, there’s always an excuse.

          • Bad Tom

            Same deal for conspiracies.

        • Librarykid

          But the flood happened before there were Xstians.

      • Ernest Endevor

        Also the Egyptians.

        • Reality.Bites

          They’re Muslims and can’t be trusted. /s

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        It is. It’s also understandable in a way. If a 10 or 20 mile radius flooded you area, you might just think it was the world. Your knowledge of place further than that might have been non-existent in some cases. Most cultures have a flood story, but it becomes obvious with a little research the floods occurred at varying times. And, yes, the Chinese certainly do have a long recorded history that would have covered this time frame.

    • Nic Peterson

      Hey there, a garden variety cabbage is a goddamned genius compared to this guy who has the smarts of a mustard seed.

    • boatboy_srq

      The Grand Canyon could have been eroded in a much shorter interval – if you assume water is as corrosive as undiluted sulphuric acid. Which makes one wonder how the Ark floated forty days and forty nights on the stuff, and what it is Flat Earthers consume to quench their thirst.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Even if we are talking about a period of under one million years, it could not have happened in 7,000. Geology tells us that.

        • boatboy_srq

          True; but how do you explain that TO A GEOLOGIST?

          the problem is that the conditions necessary to make this piece of the myth less impossible make other pieces far less possible.

    • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

      One flood carved out the Snake River Canyon and Columbia Gorge… it happens…

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Yes, but the not the Grand Canyon.

  • MB
    • safari

      Hand me my diet pills.

      • Bluto
        • olandp

          I love that line, and use it occasionally.

          • Chris Baker

            me too! I thought I was the only one who knew that reference.

          • Todd20036

            I think the FDA determined that the “secret ingredients” in diet pills are stimulants.

            The companies can call them organic all they want because they aren’t regulated, but you’re basically taking uppers, which do have some weight loss properties, even as they play havoc with your internal organs.

            I’ve met people who use meth for the weight loss properties. Seriously.

          • olandp

            I don’t use them, don’t like the jittery feeling and I like my sleep too much. Just like to say “… and my diet pill is wearing off.”

            Edna was probably on Black Beauties, doctors used to give them out like candy. There was no ‘secret ingredient, they were just amphetamine. Those were the days…

          • Misutaa Roboto

            But amphetamine is totally “organic” (you know, in the chemical sense).

        • popebuck1

          Poor Edna, strung out on “mother’s little helpers”!

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    I would have loved to see the facial expressions of the Park Service when they got that request. It must have been like when Carol Burnett and Harvey Korman would try to keep straight faces during a skt when they were cracking each other up.

    • Menergy

      LOLOLOL 🙂

    • Jerry

      They’ve been there before…under W, they had to stock a book in their gift shop that expounded on this crackpot theory (don’t know if it was written by this idiot or not).

  • Hue-Man

    “The evil government is covering up the truth!” I’m being persecuted.

    The guy should get a real job…

    • Dejerrity Mycron

      The sad part is that this IS his real job.

    • Todd20036

      He could work with the Trump administration.

  • Bluto
    • greenmanTN

      He seems nice…

  • Mrs. Councillor Nugent

    Actually, the rock all melted from the heat thrown off from the hot sex of Eve and her sons to make the grandkids. “Trust me, you’re not going to like this,” Mrs. Betty Bowers.

    • Mrs. Councillor Nugent

      The hawt butt sex between Adam and his sons hadn’t had any lasting results so they had to rethink the problem.

      • Mordred LeFey

        Now we’re talking

  • Mark Née Fuzz

    He’s a fucktard. that’s all there is too it. He must be the fucktard who got that “theory” included in the Mammoth Caves National Park tour guide spiel.

  • Meanwhile, I’m suing the San Francisco Bay. One time, when I was 10, I waded into it, and it was really, really cold!

    • Gustav2

      Yes, that is so unusual it must be investigated!

  • Dejerrity Mycron

    Thet’re gonna have to change the name from “Grand Canyon” to “The Divine Butt Crack.”

    • Reality.Bites

      My boyfriend already has that registered.

      • Dejerrity Mycron

        Touche :))

        • KCMC

          Tuchus.

  • Dramphooey

    I am sure nobody here needs to see this but I’m sharing my favorite debunking of this ridiculous nonsense by YouTuber Potholer54. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wa_ey3jGPs

  • Michael R
  • safari

    I expect he’ll be a new white house science adviser shortly.

    • Archipelagos

      Beat me to it! I was about to say that he’ll be getting a call from Trump any minute now for a top job.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN
    • prixator

      Is that Ken Ham? Or a neanderthal?

      • Can’t it be both? XD

        • prixator

          Of course!

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Why not, ‘Here’s a rock, now go away’? What will the cost be to defend this and it just fans the rights government religious persecution masturbatory fantasies.

    • Uncle Mark

      Actually, I’m all for burying him and his ilk alive in rock samples. I’ll happily hurl some at high speed at him…if it helps.

      • Skokieguy [Larry]

        So are you saying you’ll help him get his rocks off?

  • Dejerrity Mycron

    How could this guy have a Ph.D. in Geology when the tenets of geological science clearly say the earth is over 4 billion years old? What clown college decided to give him a doctorate??

    Oh that’s right…Trump University.

    • Silver Badger

      “Dr. Andrew Snelling holds a Ph.D. in Geology from the internationally acclaimed University of Sydney.”

      One wonders exactly what the University Sydney is acclaimed for?

      • Bluto

        USyd is a fine school which makes me wonder if this fucktard actually has a degree.

        • Todd20036

          Not impossible that he took a few online courses at best, and calls himself a doctor.

          • Uncle Mark

            He stayed in a Red Roof Inn in Sydney (…of course Sydney could have been the name of his trick.)

        • RJ Bone

          Check the spelling and address of the school on his degree and make sure it isn’t a trailer in the middle of nowhere Arizona 😉

      • Menergy

        well, we all (wink) know that it’s upside down below the equator — so is the larnin’

  • Margaret Rushton

    Did he get his Ph.D in geology from Liberty University or a Cracker Jack box?

    • djcoastermark

      Is there really a difference ?

      • clay

        I’m told that Cracker Jacks no longer include a prize, but, instead, an internet code for a prize, so, no, no difference from Liberty University.

        • Actually, they offer a little baseball themed sticker and a code that unlocks an online game. It’s kinda lame, I’ll admit.

          They used to offer stickers of all 30 of the Major League teams. I’m a bit upset they quit; I never got the Milwaukee Brewers sticker and I wanted it. (Don’t judge me…!)

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • olandp

      I wonder if her God gave her that face lift, or was it a surgeon who studied science?

      • Todd20036

        God gave her the face she deserved.

  • vorpal 😼
    • Rebecca Gardner

      It’s so scary that there are Flat Earthers out there. How fucking stupid can you possibly get?

      • Reality.Bites

        Hey come on! Chill! They’re just Flat Earthers. It’s not as if they’re Republicans or something really out there.

        • Todd20036

          Now that’s a question: How many flat earthers are also republicans?
          I bet that answer is pretty darn close to “all of them”

          • Reality.Bites

            I would think some are pretty much outside the political process

          • Uncle Mark

            If you think about it…flat-earthers willfully refuse information outside their own personal experience to arrive at their false conclusion…just as Republicans are unable to sympathize with the plight of others outside their immediate circle of friends or family…just as they also refuse information outside their own personal experience. Is it any wonder that almost all flat-earthers are also Republicans?

          • MaryB

            Agree, I’ll bet nearly all flat earthers are republicans but I don’t think that all republicans are flat earthers. They would be the greedy ones.

      • vorpal 😼

        I’ve met some of them online.
        They really are quite special people, for certain definitions of special.

        • Rebecca Gardner

          I don’t understand math, physics, science, it’s all too complicated for my inbred brain so the earth must be flat!!!

          https://twitter.com/flatearth_truth/status/667515468270477313

          • Halou

            That has to be a joke.

          • Todd20036

            Dear God. THat’s worse than the idiot who didn’t know what kept the moon in orbit.

          • Uncle Mark

            Or how the tides work. (That’s right; I’m looking at you, O’Reilly. Since you’re not working, you can go read a children’s science book.)

          • -M-

            Bill O’reilly?

          • -M-

            I’ve started to wonder if some of the flat earth and anti-evolution trolls are part of the Russian cyber campaign to sow division and discredit truth.

          • boatboy_srq

            Well, they need SOME explanation for why cosmonauts get shot up into space and then run in circles.

          • TexasBoy

            Of course, that brings up that whole question of, if two planes, one flying East and the other West both depart from the same location, that they will meet on the opposite side of the globe rather than flying off the edge into nothingness.

          • Reality.Bites

            If two planes meet there are going to be a lot of people killed, you sick bastard. 😉

          • vorpal 😼

            Believe it or not, they’ve taken this into account, claiming that “east” and “west” don’t work like you think they do.

            It still doesn’t make sense, but they’ve put a LOT of thought into it, as you can see from the lines of latitude on this “map:”
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f6a665e2a35f1b228965352f1450977b9ca4e3fe2f6fef4319b8a1bbdb70a68.png

          • boatboy_srq

            So, length (distance) is not constant, but varies by latitude? Now I understand why every male Reichwingnut has ten inches….

          • Bad Tom

            So the north polar flight I took from NYC to Beijing and back is fine, but don’t try a south polar flight!

          • vorpal 😼

            You couldn’t, even if you wanted to. You’d hit the side of the dome with all the stars painted on it.

          • Bad Tom

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c0fc8a177ace648a1cfb693a48cc8f669ac7eb08e96bd16358780ae4c082e8c9.jpg ——-
            Camille Flammarion, L’Atmosphère: Météorologie Populaire (Paris, 1888)

          • boatboy_srq

            I’m waiting for some Flat Earther to try explaining how the Earth is some never-ending Mobius-style strip, with infinite iterations of each person and object, and that each human consciousness is the sum of each iteration’s life experiences.

          • TexasBoy

            Doubtful that flat-earthers could use such “big words.”

          • boatboy_srq

            I’m translating for their “well, Earth is yuugely long, and there are a lot of pieces of each of us spread out on it, so….”

          • Bad Tom

            Then show them a drawing of a Mobius strip, or even better, a Klein bottle.

            Ask them: Flat, or that?

          • vorpal 😼

            Satellite and ISS images are fabrications of science and Satan.

            It’s not a coincidence that they start with the same letter.

          • Andymac3

            Wow, that’s a mighty large plane, is it an Airbus 380,000,000.

          • Bad Tom

            “Drawing not to scale”
            LOL.

          • MirrorMan

            “My personal belief is equal to your facts!”

            No. No, they’re not…

        • Todd20036

          Short-bus special?

        • Jamie Brewer

          “Rainbow Lady” is right up there… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV9gRFv5Kgc

          • Octoberfurst

            Now she is a special kind of stupid. Her “What the hell is going on?” reminded me of Trump whom she no doubt voted for. .

          • TexasBoy
          • Vinny DeFeo

            Gay-ness is oozing out of our ground. We’re taking over.

          • greenmanTN

            Swear to god, one of my childhood friends started crying when I made a rainbow with the garden hose because only God can make rainbows. My mother made me apologize for calling him a dumbass.

            I apologized but didn’t really mean it.

          • Lane

            You know we’re only supposed to use our gay rainbow power for good, not to torment people, right? My goodness, no wonder people hate us. /s

          • …I used to create this effect thirty years ago during the summer with a garden hose and a sprayer head. I’m not just talking arcs, I’m talking full-blown circles. Jeez.

            If this woman saw a rainbow after a storm, her head would go asplode. (I saw one at work last week. Lovely sight. Kept telling the members that if they hurried, they might get the pot o’ gold at the end of it…)

      • swimboy
        • Nychta

          And really funny. Thanks for the laugh.

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      • Raising_Rlyeh
        • Menergy

          bwuahahaha! ( oops)

      • Octoberfurst

        I was shocked to see how many videos there are on YouTube that promote that flat earth nonsense. It’s stunning to me that there are so many people out there who are so gullible and stupid.

      • JCF

        How sad would it be to not accept the beautiful Reality of this?

        http://i.imgur.com/SEwlQi3.gif

    • David

      I love this. But instead of a wine bottle, the cat should be pushing a ship off the edge of the world.

    • whollyfool
    • Clive Johnson

      Truth!

    • greenmanTN
      • vorpal 😼

        Awwww… so cute! Besides the black one (who I notice lost her blue eyes), can you tell the other three apart? Did you figure out which are boys and which are girls? How old are they now?

        Have you figured out what you’re going to do with the little adorable monsters?

        • greenmanTN

          Two of them are very obviously different, the black one (Etta) and Elvis, who has longer hair and is fluffy. The only way I can tell Loretta and Patsy apart is to pick them up and look at their nose. Loretta’s nose is black and Patsy’s nose is only partly black, the other part pink.

          Honestly I haven’t really been busting my ass to find people to give them to yet. They’ve only just started eating food but still nursing. There is a local charity that will spay/neuter them for $50. I think if I get Mama spayed first (which was always the plan) the cost for the kittens is even lower. That’s a hell of a lot better than the $230 – $250 per cat I spent getting the first four fixed at the veterinarian.

          Mama, the little hussy, is already out getting screwed again, but there will NOT be another litter! The aforementioned charity won’t spay her until 12 weeks after giving birth and we’re not there yet. I think I still have 2 more weeks to go.

          Elvis. (My sister named them.)

          https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91-nutAsiGL._SY550_.jpg

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/775f0b61f45854d21830790b482c315169d0f9e8a4f1c33811883cac10fe6689.jpg

          • vorpal 😼

            That IS a lot of fluff! What a handsome devil!

            They are really looking like cats now instead of like little random awkward fur balls!

          • greenmanTN

            I really like this photo because it shows how tiny they really are.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/58a2b8ba33625f9ec772f9496e15b8787155e7e156158c9574938a642eda05a0.jpg

            The older cats are jealous of the attention the kittens are getting and have suddenly started being VERY nice and affectionate. I am not taken in. This ain’t my first time at the rodeo.

          • vorpal 😼

            LOL!

            Older cats: “Ugh. All this cuteness. We’d better up our game and actually groom and put on a show for the human! He’s not being subservient enough!”

            I know the drill all too well. Whenever we would bring a new cat home, all of a sudden, the rest of them would either become enraged or extra super duper loving, or alternate between the two!

          • greenmanTN

            What’s odd is that though she is black but still is a tabby. You can’t see it in the pictures she is actually striped, black and very slightly less black.

          • whollyfool

            We have security cameras (ok, ok, they’re cat cams) and we noticed that under infrared, our black cats are stripers!

          • greenmanTN

            They are very sneaky about it.

            I had a black cat for 17 years. I got him from a store front psychic with a “free cats” sign in the window. It entertained my sense of humor to get my black cat from a self-proclaimed Santeria priestess. (My sense of humor gets me in trouble on a regular basis. Open mouth, insert foot.)

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/433f2d85ed0aaf563b10c6dcd6d97eda9ad4cde8145efba4f27bdd6cca813787.jpg .)

          • whollyfool

            Wow, beautiful kitty! Look at that tail; just made for trouble. 🙂 And good job keeping him for 17 years!

            I have several recent examples of my sense of humor getting me in trouble, and one where my sense of human decency just barely saved me. 🙂

          • greenmanTN

            I have a story that would likely trump your worst offenses, so take comfort.

            I once made a joke about Charles Whitman, the mass shooter from the University of Texas clock tower, in front of the brother of one his victims. (Obviously I didn’t know that when I said it.) Those are like lottery winner odds!

            I must have done something really crappy in a previous life because Karma keeps kicking me in the ass like that and I’m mostly very benign! Mostly.

          • whollyfool

            Oh no! 🙂 :/ 😀 :O
            But you had no way of knowing…. Oh wow, that will happen to me someday, I’m sure. (Yikes. 🙂 )

            When it’s my time to go, I hope it’s a really ironic passing, maybe crushed by an elephant while dressed as a giant peanut, and I know for a fact that I will bring joy to my friends for years to come. 🙂

          • greenmanTN

            You have to be very careful around elephants…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnHi3N_dtnU

          • whollyfool

            HAHA OMG

          • vorpal 😼

            Oh, and even though she’s a lady, I would reach through my screen and adopt that beautiful black kitty in a second, given the opportunity.

            Or we could just trade and I’ll send you my disgusting monstrosity of an orange tabby. He has a great personality.

            I’ll even pay the shipping costs for him, which I’m sure will be exorbitant if they charge per pound.

      • It’s when they’re quiet and sleeping that you really need to be afraid.

      • whollyfool

        How did I miss these! They’re beautiful!

    • WIN!

    • Raja Mitchell

      LOL!!! I LOVE the cat meme!!! Stealing it!!

  • Boreal
    • KCMC

      Daddy…

    • Todd20036

      Sasquach?

      • Boreal

        Too hairy for Sasquatch.

    • Librarykid

      I’ll bet they have trouble with clogged filters on their vacuum cleaner, washer and dryer and furnace.

  • Butch

    When we got married in Hawaii a couple of years ago we visited Waimea (sorry I didn’t check spelling) Canyon and there was actually a group of people handing out creationist literature there. Luckily it seemed no one was paying them any attention.

  • Karl Dubhe

    Physics says no.

    No, it didn’t get ‘created’ by a single flood.

    But yes, science does discriminate against religious belief. You need proof, for it to be science.

    • Tawreos

      They are used to having to prove anything, in their world god did it is more proof than anyone should need.

  • Paula Key

    He will find the very rock where Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son Isaac. And proof that the 12 Tribes were originally Republicans.

    • grada3784

      That’s in the Dome of the Rock. Except Muslims say it was Ishmael, not Isaac.

      • Paula Key

        Yes, now I remember. It’s a “sacred” rock to Muslims, too.

  • Ginger Snap

    I’m so glad to hear that another religious nut is tackling noha’s flood since poverty and starvation worldwide is no longer an issue.

  • Halou

    He was denied a permit because he has already made his conclusion and is just going to look for evidence to back him up. And if the behavior of other religious extremists is anything to go by he will be destroying contrary evidence.

  • djcoastermark

    The guy is just plain inane. Everyone knows NOAA only predicts floods and storms,. They are not responsible for building canyons and such.

    • Menergy

      😉

  • KCMC
  • theonlyseven

    I don’t know why these clowns hold on to the Noah story so much. Of all the Bible stories, it has to be one of the easiest to disprove. For starters, there is not enough water on Earth to flood the whole planet. There never has been.

    • BobSF_94117

      Because it can’t possibly be true, it serves as an easy badge of belonging.

    • M Jackson

      The flood narrative is found in every ancient society, as well as evidence in the geological record, so it happened. The fact that anyone believes the biblical fantasy of a vengeful god and a vast zoological impossibility is what makes the christian story so laughable.

      I often reflect on one the nastiest little baubles in the bible — Lot’s wife longed for her home and for that she was turned into a pillar of salt as a warning to all mankind that Jehovah What’s-his-face is a real asshole. The poor woman didn’t even get a name.

      • shivadog

        Many floods have happened, but not one giant flood that wiped out almost all mankind and every animal that wasn’t on a stupid ark.

  • DaveMiller135

    The real question is why isn’t the miracle of life and the universe around us enough? When did faith stop being a belief in things unseen? A legitimate examination of the Bible in scientific terms might look at how the Biblical creation myth closely resembles the theory of the Big Bang. Or here, a look at how the Grand Canyon shows signs of lots of water eroding little bits over millions of years, as opposed to the action of a single great flood.

    • Tawreos

      You don’t get jesus points by agreeing with the other side.

    • Librarykid

      Even more dangerous is how closely the Biblical creation myths (there are two in the first chapters of Genesis) mimic the creation stories of the other civilizations of that part of the ancient world.

  • Mordred LeFey

    “…and because his research is not scientifically valid.” Well there you go. According to them, that’s “discriminating against his faith.” That is the truth, but telling him that his faith isn’t scientifically valid falls under discrimination according to these people.

  • If we are to accept the contention by Andrew Snelling, Ken Ham, and all the folks at the Answers in Genesis ministry that Life, the Universe, and Everything sprang into being just 6,000 years ago, EVERYTHING we know about biology, physics, cosmology, and even higher mathematics becomes utterly meaningless. But that’s okay with the “Young Earth” creationists, because they consider all that science to be nothing more than an elaborate Satanic deception.

    I suggest you let credible archaeologists join Andrew Snelling in his little rock hunt, then have them ALL examine the specimens together. The scientists can use radioisotope dating, microscopes, and spectrometry, and Snelling can use prayer or something.

    • madknits

      Then they should be denied any medical treatments based on that Satanic science.

  • TexasBoy

    Or it could have formed, you know, when an ice dam collapsed after one of the ice ages. Or from repeated freezing and thawing of moisture laden rock eventually broke down the granite, and there have been repeated glaciers and floods over the course of the earths history. washing out already weakened granite. But you, science is evil.

  • Tiger Quinn

    Looks like somebody is mad to try and get that religious freedom test case going to the SC before Trump gets punted. This attempt is particularly bald and desperate.

  • BobSF_94117

    Oh, good lord. Let the man collect some rocks. Instead, we have another faux-martyrdom.

  • zhera

    To be a creationist and a geologist at the same time… that’s impressive!

    • Uncle Mark

      Or neurosyphillitic

    • Misutaa Roboto

      Lots of people are able to get advanced degrees, and if you are one of the few creationists that happen to do so (particularly in biology or geology), then you automatically get to be a celebrity in creationist circles by reassuring the converted that someone smart agrees with them.

      • zhera

        But the two subjects are 100% mutually exclusive!

        • Misutaa Roboto

          No disagreement from me. Understanding biology or geology and intellectual honesty together should preclude being a creationist. But it’s the second requirement that’s the problem. Denali ain’t just a mountain in Alaska…or something like that.

  • Uncle Mark

    What bothers the fuck out of me with these ignorant, grifting a-holes is that they demand their “religious freedom” and then impose their fuck’d up beliefs in our sciences and schools…as if their sacred tome outweighs all of our research. Their damned book of allegories wouldn’t make electrical generators, radio, TV, telephones, computers, the internet, space travel, or nuclear energy possible…but now these luddites demand that we bow down before their unfounded beliefs, while they post them on websites and read them on their smartphones. Fucking ignorant hypocrites.

  • Jamie Brewer

    Throw back Thursday… “If There Is a God He’s a Queen” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDA1ydgDinM

  • Andymac3

    And God said ‘Oops, I forgot to flush’

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    Friendly Atheist did a post on this, but the nuts of the situation is that his research proposal was deemed to not add anything to geology and should be denied.

  • Stubenville

    How do these rocks he was denied inhibit his practice of his religion? There is no case here.

  • ceeenbee

    Slightly O/T.

    Is ham’s ark encounter still bathed in the beautiful colors of the Pride Flag as he promised it would until got got the rainbow back from us?

    • kareemachan

      And it’s bankrupting the county it’s located in, as it hasn’t drawn all those people Ham promised “If you build it, they will come.”

  • Larry in Oklahoma

    So 40 days and nights of rain is gonna create something as wonderful as The Grand Canyon? Why wasn’t there another one formed elsewhere? I guess the Great White Flood caused all the other natural wonders of the world. He’s an idiot.

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      One could argue that Taroko Gorge in Taiwan was formed in the same way. /s

      • Ben in Oakland

        And Waimea canyon in Hawaii.

        And the entire length of the Colorado river.

        And the slot canyons of AZ and UT.

  • MBear

    Silly christian. I am god. How do I know? I created the universe. Boom! Yeah, you lost. I don’t have to prove it, it just is. You cannot prove I’m wrong.

    That being said, the Grand Canyon was produced after a rather ‘productive’ beer bust. Just sayin.

  • M Jackson
  • kareemachan

    Who knew Noah lived in Arizona?

    • Ben in Oakland

      Mrs. Noah.

      • jmax

        They just had a winter home in Scottsdale.

  • Octoberfurst

    You would think that in the 21st century we wouldn’t still have to be dealing with these rubes. But no, they are still out there alive and kicking and trying to force people to take them seriously.

  • Cuberly

    If he knows the GC was formed by the flood, why does he need to do, ahem, research?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fcefa6c9ae9e8a8d1e9ab47a6b11e9e6545a6e7bf0c62b300a06e3041d508ee4.gif

  • Secure

    Glaciers don’t carve out mountains and lakes! It’s God’s giant sharp fingernails! What a fuckwad!

  • SilasMarner

    I am so sick of these religious whack-a-doos that if there really was a god I wish he/she/it would smite all these fools for heresy/blasphemy.

  • Westcoast88

    If there was such a thing as Lunatic Discrimination then he might have a case

  • boatboy_srq

    I’m surprised he dares to drink water if it’s as corrosive as he suggests. Oh, right, making that connection requires actual, you know, science.

  • Lars Littlefield

    I volunteer to escort this fine fellow to the edge of the Grand Canyon and then push him off.

    • Bj Lincoln

      I bet if there was something in their holy book that even suggested them jumping off a cliff they would be lining up like Lemmings.

    • coram nobis

      But, sir! Gravity is only a theory! There’s no mention of it in the Bible, therefore it doesn’t exist!

      • grada3784

        Movie about Jim Jones has a scene where he says something similar.

        RIP Powers Boothe.

    • Paula Key

      They ignore the World Psychiatric Association. This prominent scientific body representing 182 nations and over 200,000 psychiatrists wrote to the U.N and world leaders. They did this in March 2016. In their declaration they stated that homosexuality cannot be changed, hence it is NOT a choice.

      • Lars Littlefield

        Well, I’m not surprised. It’s obvious that ignoring reality, in general, is their métier.

  • Gigi

    “Snelling is a prominent young-Earth creationist.” How is this even possible? Prominent among whom? Any halfwit with a computer and an internet connection can do a quick Google search and prove that these YEC losers are wrong. Why won’t anyone just do the work instead of listening to these imbeciles?

  • JIM W

    You can’t argue with STUPID.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Another Stupidchristian™ trying to find validity in his craziness while pulling down big bucks.

  • Bad Tom

    This dood has a PhD?
    Boy, I wonder how his defense went.

    • The_Wretched

      The creationist PhD’s are always in irrelevant fields and the holders have apparent issues of mental health that arose later.

      • Bad Tom

        That would explain it.

        • Paula Key

          God sent a cloud to NZ and got the kiwis and another cloud to Oz where koalas, kangaroos etc were gathered. The third cloud froze in Antarctica just after it managed to suck up penguins, gigantic whales etc.

  • andrew

    I misread your headline. I thought it read: “Cartoonist Seeks To Prove Grand Canyon Formed By Noah’s Flood.” I guess my brain just jumped to the conclusion that it was a joke.

  • TexasBoy

    I’m still mad at Noah for saving mosquitos.

    • and ticks

      • Ben in Oakland

        And republicans.

        • that’s what i said! 🙂

          • grada3784

            You did not. Show me where you said lice!!!!!

  • Hank
  • 2patricius2

    “The Park Service says Snelling’s request was denied because the rocks he seeks can easily be found outside the Grand Canyon and because his research is not scientifically valid.” Bingo!

    Obviously, the Grand Canyon was formed by a gigantic dinosaur basilisk slithering through the rocks when they were just mud. The serpent later was captured by Voldemort and hidden in the Chamber of Secrets……..

    • Ben in Oakland

      How dare you defile the Gospel According to Harry with your vainglorious lies!

  • Robert Anthony
  • baruchzed

    Evangelical christianity, like any other religious extremism, is a mental illness.

    • Bj Lincoln

      Exactly! It should be studied and designated as a disorder.

  • Ben in Oakland

    So, one more time, a Christian of his sort is claiming that he has a special right to do what he wants because of his religious beliefs that other people don’t have.

  • james thickett
    • Natty Enquirer

      Carbon-dating is a scientistic lie! /s

      • ZRAinSWVA

        And counting the growth rings in trees? Meaningless!

  • Spongebob CrankyPants

    ROFLMAO

  • Leo Tallant

    OH please, that canyon is older than the Flintstones!

    Sorry that it’s cut a little short.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf4pUZPaz5k

  • greenmanTN

    This is so obviously not true. He didn’t put it in a certified letter.

  • Elizabeth Bates

    Only someone in the United States can conceived of something this ignorant. Japanese must be laughing their butt off. Flat Earth Satire!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18e33aa339fa82d0ca46136fc0ec796c92946370162d42190c656dc0e3bc1a9d.jpg

  • JCF
  • CatCope

    Why doesn’t these Morons’ creator UN-Create these “nut-jobs”. It seems like a wonderful idea to me. It’s a win-win situation.

  • Orly

    … prominent young-Earth creationist

    That fact that there is such a thing in 2017 makes me sad 🙁

  • PR

    Delusional idiot Join the 21st century.

  • jonfromcalifornia

    Nutcase. What is it about these Fundamentalists and Conservatives that make them so dumb even if they claim to have educational “degrees”? Is it their religious beliefs or their gullibility? Ben Carson is another case in point. He may be a neurologist but he is dumb as a doorknob on other issues.