TEXAS: Fifth Circuit Court Of Appeals Orders State To Pay $600K In Legal Fees To Marriage Equality Plaintiffs

The Dallas News reports:

Two Texas couples who fought to overturn the state’s ban on same-sex marriage were awarded more than $600,000 in attorneys fees and other costs, a federal appeals court decided this week.

Mark Phariss and husband Vic Holmes and Cleopatra DeLeon and wife Nicole Dimetman waged a years-long legal battle to do away with Texas’ anti-gay-marriage laws. On Tuesday, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals awarded their attorneys $585,470.30 in fees and $20,202.90 in other costs.

“We’re thrilled,” said Phariss, who married Holmes in Frisco just months after the U.S. Supreme Court declared same-sex marriage legal nationwide. “It means that our attorneys finally get compensated for all of their hard work.”

The funds will come out of state coffers. The Office of the Attorney General led the charge against their effort. Spokesman Marc Rylander said the Office of Attorney General Ken Paxton was “disappointed in the ruling” and considering next steps.

The law firm that represented the couples has pledged the money to future pro bono work. In the 2015 clip below, Phariss and Holmes tell the story of how they met nearly 20 years ago.

(Tipped by JMG reader Mike)

  • kcken

    Hopefully they can’t pay. Can we repo the state and give it back to real Americans ?

    • Hue-Man

      You mean Mexicans, right?

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    I am *so* jealous of Cleopatra De Leon’s name.

    (visions of Russ Meyers movies going through my head)

    Congrats to the couples.

  • Lazycrockett
    • bkmn

      He knows that his only hope is to put some distance between himself and Trump and if he stays on as Oversight Chair that would be impossible.

    • Sam_Handwich

      or will he challenge Snorrin Snatch for his senate seat? that seems more likely

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        The Utah Republican Party made it clear last week that their choice, if Hatch were to retire, would be for Romney to run for that seat. Romney is extremely popular in Utah and would be almost impossible to beat. Plus, Hatch said immediately after the Romney idea was tossed around that he wasn’t going to retire.

        • Lars Littlefield

          And Borin’ Snorrin’ Orrin has enthusiastically mentioned more than a bunch of times that if Romney wants to run for the Senate representing Utah, he will most likely step down and let him.

      • Joe in PA

        Snatches snore? Huh.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          My CPAP smells funny.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      If true, this implies that Chaffetz knows that Trump will not be running in 2020 and the Republican field will be open. Hmmmmm…….

      • Sam_Handwich

        i commented to soon, too. the domain names are Jason2028.com and JasonChaffetz2028.com

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          Ahhh. Well, with a pardon from Pence he might be out of jail by then.

          • another_steve

            Let’s not preclude the possibility that Pence will also be in jail soon.

            Putin has many teats, and many have suckled there.

    • As I noted in another thread, that number has significance: It means he foresees a single-term president between now and then. And logically, this would suggest the current one (or his replacement) last only the one term, followed by two terms potentially of a Dem.

      • Lars Littlefield

        Personally, I don’t think he’s that smart to think ahead.

    • billbear1961

      A bastard who STILL wants to sell off–or give away–massive amounts of federal land–our HERITAGE–to private “developers.”

      FUCK the lying, two-faced, power-abusing SHIT!!

      • Gustav2

        Fun Fact:

        He was Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis’s Utah co-chairman in the 1980s. Yep, you read that right.
        More than 20 years ago, Chaffetz was a co-chairman of the Utah branch of the 1988 nominee’s campaign, in part because Dukakis is his half-brother’s stepfather.
        Chaffetz’s father, John, was married to Kitty—who would later become Kitty Dukakis—before Jason Chaffetz was born.

        In an interview for Roll Call (with yours truly), Chaffetz joked about hhttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/05/five-fun-facts-about-jason-chaffetz-the-newest-house-speaker-hopeful.htmlis family affiliation.

    • Bryan

      And also, vomit…

  • bkmn

    Watch the assholes in Texas do some classless thing to “get back” at them. If they do I hope they report it to the court for further consideration.

  • Lazycrockett

    I would say that money is where its gonna hurt the right, but after NC they don’t seem to care much bout money, well not their own, that much.

  • Sam_Handwich

    YAY!

    there must be a few more such cases ongoing

    • billbear1961

      In THIS country full of useless, spiteful, goddamned SHITS, no doubt.

      • Silver Badger

        Don’t let the bastards get you down, Mr. Bear. If you do, they win! Life is still sweet today and may be tomorrow as well!

  • M Jackson

    This calls for some Texas-size sadz.

  • bkmn

    In tomorrow’s news the Texas legislature will pull funding for all school meals, starting in the poorest districts.

    • Paula

      In better news, the school meal funding is provided by the feds. In worst news, Trump will kill the federal school lunch program.
      OTOH, Michelle Obama really messed that up. School lunches have always been marginal. Now, they are absolutely horrendous.
      There is no acceptable, logical, reasonable, or believable reason for whole wheat tortillas to exist!

      • Lars Littlefield

        How do you know Michelle messed things up? Do you have children who eat school lunch? What’s the system in your public schools? Does the State underwrite lunches (and breakfasts) with tax money? Just curious.

        • Paula

          I work in the public schools. Changing the school lunches was one of her programs. The school systems have to follow some very strict rules to receive funding from the school lunch program. From what I know, the money comes from the feds.
          The food quality has plunged in the past 8 years. Some of the stuff they serve is pretty bad.
          Our school had to stop serving menudo, switch to cardboard, uh, I mean whole wheat tortillas, and stop serving fried foods of any kind. The food is very bland.

          • Silver Badger

            It almost has to be bland with all the allergies the kids have today.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Whole wheat tortillas?!! That’s blasphemy. The San Juan School District (my part of Utah) changed their school lunch menus to require that 2/3 of the lunch plate consisted of fresh vegetables and fresh fruit, and 1/3 is reserved for a protein of some sort, which is often a peanut butter cup and some sort of meat product. So far, the meat products have been limited to beef tacos, hamburgers, spaghetti with meatballs and occasionally, chicken. The lunch room is also open at 7:00 am before schools start so students can wander in and help themselves of free apples, bananas, and oranges (thanks to local grocers and fund raising). It’s much better than the crap that I was offered in the 50s. We’ve also instigated a system where students who can’t afford it eat the same food as everyone else, regardless. This has prompted a lot of parents to send their kids to school with a sack lunch, because the don’t want their survivalist family children eating the politically contaminated food served the the communist school district. Can’t win ’em all. Even with free food.

          • Paula

            I really miss Friday menudo. Damn, that stuff was good!!

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Feeding children: views differ!

        • Silver Badger

          You walked into that one, Lars!

          • Lars Littlefield

            Not really.

          • Silver Badger

            Paula is an extremely knowledgeable woman. I find her to be an excellent source of information.

          • Lars Littlefield

            I have the same opinion.

          • Silver Badger

            I must applaud both of you for being so involved with the schools. I have not the aptitude or the patience for dealing with children at this point in my life and really admire those who do.

          • Lars Littlefield

            I get two bus loads of K1 through K3 twice a year. They come to look at the garden, pick eat fresh raspberries and strawberries in the spring. In the fall most of them get to pick their own pumpkins. I just stay back and let their teachers control them. Even out here in the dramatic red rock country, most children haven’t seen a real sheep or live chicken.

  • Goody.

  • MikeBx2
    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Bill who? Never heard of him.

    • Not surprising. Fox always was good at the Agitprop and ‘right-truthing’ their own history. O’Reilly is now officially an UnPerson.

      • Sissy Spacedout

        Couldn’t happen to a nastier man.

        Oh, damn. There are plenty more of those. Not all of them useful in bed either.

        • Silver Badger

          It has been my experience, the nicer the man the more useful in bed.

          • Todd20036

            My attitude is, be nice outside the bedroom, and nasty in it.

      • billbear1961

        What could be easier in a country that LETS the right LIE through their goddamned teeth 24/7 with hardly ANY but the most TIMID and SHORT-LIVED pushback??

        • Librarykid

          It’s the money behind the right that permits that.

        • J Ascher

          We have “St. Ronnie” to thank for that when Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine at the FCC.

      • Nowhereman

        Yup–they tossed him right down the Memory Hole.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Teehee.

    • Cuberly

      Still the strangest name for a talking head show, ever. Isn’t it basically admitting it’s out to implement a specific series of opinions or result? Maybe they were attracted to “Fact” appearing in the title. So strange.

      fac·tor
      ˈfaktər/Submit
      noun
      1. a circumstance, fact, or influence that contributes to a result or outcome.

      • Nowhereman

        It’s especially strange because the Factor is pretty much free of facts. Hey, maybe they should change the name to The Fact Free Zone!

        • Cuberly

          Confirmation Bias ZONE!

    • another_steve

      If Fox replaces O’Reilly with a big-boobied bleached blond, its viewership won’t register the difference.

      It’ll all be transparent to them.

      • clay

        a big-boobied bleached blond hosting “the O factor”

        It’ll entrance them.

    • Joe in PA

      Oh good, now I can watch The Factor.

      As if.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Needs rebranding. Call it “The Max Factor.”

      • Snarkaholic

        Or “The Ax Factor.”

    • BobSF_94117

      Is it just me or does that look a bit like O’Reilly in drag?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Her perky hair is in mourning.

    • Dan

      Which generic blonde bimbo is this and why does she look like she’s about to rip her fake skin off and eat a mouse?

    • Gerry Fisher

      One of the few times I’ve been glad to see a pretty blond woman on Fox.

  • billbear1961

    What “next steps”??

    The only other “step” at this point is SCOTUS.

  • Ninja0980
    • DaddyRay

      I thought we already heard it was going to be Kennedy

      • Ninja0980

        This just confirms it.

        • -M-

          😩

      • Lazycrockett

        Yeah Kennedy seems to think that the court is in safe hands cause Gorsuch was once his clerk. SMGDH

        • Ninja0980

          That makes no sense to me unless he knows something we don’t.
          There is nothing to suggest Gorsuch will ever be an ally of ours on LGBT issues.
          Maybe Kennedy thinks that the public backlash will be so severe SCOTUS won’t dare reverse the rights we’ve gained.
          All he has to do is listen to Thomas and Alito to know they don’t give a damn about that and it’s a safe bet Gorsuch won’t either.

          • Lazycrockett

            I don’t get it either.

          • Ninja0980

            In the same breath, because he’s been good to us (sans the Boy Scouts) on LGBT issues, it’s easy to forget Kennedy is still a far right dick on most other issues.
            Gutting the VRA, Citizen’s United and wanting to do away with the ACA.
            Our greatest ally in one area was a *(& on everything else.

    • billbear1961

      Well, that’s IT, then.

      The fascist coup will be complete, and the rollback to the 1950s or EARLIER will begin: a ruthless erasure of fundamental rights coupled with unparalleled corruption.

      I can’t understand Kennedy–apparently, his legacy–his cherished belief in the “dignity of the individual”–means NOTHING to him.

    • Lars Littlefield

      My money is on Clarence Thomas leaving in June. He’s turning 80 years-old in about six seconds. He shuffles. Has HBP. No one plays with him. Sad.

  • thom

    OT// Bernie Sanders doesn’t know can back Jon Ossoff in the runoff…
    NEW in WSJ: Bernie Sanders says he doesn’t know if Jon Ossoff is a progressive. https://t.co/QjnawNCtyr https://t.co/kqbsZdVuxm

    Douchebag… and they wonder why we cant win

    • thom

      But in the meantime, Sanders is campaigning on Thursday for Heath Mello a former Nebraska lawmaker who sponsored (and passed) a bill requiring women to get an ultrasound before having an abortion.

    • Joe in PA

      THIS is why we can’t have nice things. Arrrgh.

      • thom

        “IDK if Jon Ossoff is progressive or liberal (or whatever the cool name is these days), but I do know Bernie Sanders ain’t a Democrat.” https://t.co/thVvIxyGhu

        -Harry Enten

  • Cuberly

    OT: Uh oh, so Fox RWNJ Marketing has been recruited to start the disinformation campaign prepping for a rollback of the ACA?

    NOTHING Voldemort is saying is what people want. Yet that is what the Fox tweet is highlighting.

    https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/854845845799358464

    • Bryan

      The Tweet claims it’s what people want so politicians can say later, “See? It’s what people want!”

      • Cuberly

        Yep, and a lot of trumpanzees will do the same.

    • Joe in PA

      What is so infuriating about this “debate” is that, as is illustrated here, they mention two things about the ACA that people don’t like. What they DON’T mention is all the other crap that comes with their “repeal/replace”. One tiny part of the equation is all they talk about.

      But hell, not giving the voters facts/details is what got Trumpee elected. Sigh.

      • Cuberly

        Not to be a cynical d-bag but for some people it’s difficult to find the time to learn the details vs latching onto some simple talking-points, we get what we deserve when people don’t do the work to care.

    • johncAtl

      Scott should be in prison for his tenure as CEO of HCA. And then there’s the matter of a little Florida company that does drug testing that his wife is head of. That should put them both in prison.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Sam_Handwich

      one of my choir members, Sue, died last month. she was in her 70’s and diagnosed with a form of Alzheimer’s only a couple of years ago, and then went quickly downhill. (and i know she would agree that ‘quickly’ is the best way to go in that situation)

      4/20 was her birthday and i would taunt her every year about sharing Hitler’s bday (which i learned her brother would do, too). anyway, she always laughed and took it like a good sport. she was a great person.

      tomorrow night is choir rehearsal and i think we’ll start by singing Happy Birthday to Sue. 🙂

      • Lazycrockett

        Dude way to harsh my buzz.

        • Silver Badger

          No dude, way to sweeten it with memories of a sweet lady! Everybody dies eventually. No one wants to be forgotten.

        • Sam_Handwich

          sorry, Mr. Crockett. allow me to repair your cocktail 😀

          • Silver Badger

            I like a sweet indica in the evenings. It mellows out the day.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Get your dirty olive out of my drink! Now I’ve got bread crumbs!!

      • ByronK

        Do you direct the choir Sam?

  • david fairfield

    Ken Paxton, GO FUCK YOURSELF! When are they going to throw his ass in prison where he belongs?

  • Superman

    Don’t call it Frisco. But congrats.

    • Lars Littlefield

      LOL I thought it was referring to Frisco, Texas. A place I’ve never heard of, but then again, there’s lots of Texas I prefer to not have any knowledge. LOL

      • Silver Badger

        Frisco, Texas indeed. These coastal people forget about the rest of the country. Of course, forgetting about Texas is not necessarily a bad thing. 🙂

      • Joe in PA

        Back in the 80s when I lived in Dallas, Frisco was a teeny tiny town. Now it is considered a suburb. And I THOUGHT a very republican suburb like Plano.

  • another_steve

    Love to these brave and determined couples. And love to all law firms that do pro bono work on behalf of LGBT people.

    Old queers reading here may remember the National Gay Rights Advocates (NGRA) centered in San Francisco — which in the 1980s did much pro bono work for lesbian and gay couples. Leonard Graff was NGRA’s head at the time.

    NGRA represented my now-husband and I when we sued the Automobile Association of America (AAA) for its failure to extend to us the spousal membership discount then-available to heterosexual couples.

  • Ninja0980

    For the folks that say same sex couples should have gone to the legislatures and to the people by opening their hearts and minds so we could then win at the ballot box, Mark Phariss’s story can sadly tell you why that theory is a bunch of shit.
    Not only does Greg Abbott know him and call him a friend, but his own twin sister says she loves and cares for her brother with the bond only twins can have.
    And yet neither of them think he and his husband deserve the rights to marriage equality because Jeebus.
    If you can’t convince your own flesh and blood or folks who have known you for 20 plus years that you deserve equal rights, how can you convince strangers?

  • bambinoitaliano

    $600K will not deter those bigots. We need a $600 million judgment.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      One wonders what the actual price tag would be if bigot-states had to compensate the LGBT community for all the economic damage and injustice they have caused. Quite likely, it is in the trillions.

  • ByronK

    O/T: Maddow is doing a number on Eric Prince now but a reminder for those who are interested that she’s having Elizabeth Warren on tonight.

    • Lazycrockett

      I have to admit Im not found of her interviews.

    • Paula

      I’d rather it was Elizabeth Banks.

      • Joe in PA

        Calm down Paula. 🙂

        (teasing)

      • ByronK

        LOL

  • Barry William Teske
  • Lazycrockett
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      LOL !!
      But the bunny is definitely more presidential.

      • houstonray

        Especially with those Rick Perry 2.0 glasses!

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          Wide-eyed Bunny: Oops – I laid another egg!

          • Brendafsmith

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    • worstcultever

      too funneh

    • Natty Enquirer

      LEPUS or POTUS?

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      People keep calling this Donnie Darko the sequel.

      • Lars Littlefield

        That’s unfortunate. Donnie Darko is a very good film and has absolutely nothing to do with the Trump mess. Obviously, folks who have never seen Donnie Darko are responsible for this misnomer.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          misnomers aplenty

          • Lars Littlefield

            A Misnomer Night’s Dream

          • J Ascher

            There’s no Love’s Labour Lost here!

        • ByronK

          Loved that film. Very out there at the time an fascinating.

    • jefe5084

      I saw a caption on this same picture a couple of days ago that said in effect “a cartoon character on the steps of WH addresses crowds, and the Easter Bunny was there, too.”

    • Nowhereman

      Like we couldn’t tell which was which and who was who! Cracks me up!

    • Robert Eckert

      The guy on the right would do better.

  • margaretpoa

    Your “next step” Mr. Carpetbagger Paxton is to PAY them the money you owe them, you bigoted asshole.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/854854595427827713
    I know he’s not alone in thinking this but saying it out loud is really not the best move Keith.

    • Joe in PA

      Go for it Keith.

    • Lazycrockett

      Yeah start shitting on the most popular democrat in your party before the midterms when his help will be greatly needed.

      • Ninja0980

        They learned nothing from 2010/2014.
        I have to say looking up Kay Hagan.. she’s the one who ran away from Obama who angered me the most.
        Her uncle was Lawton Chiles and as folks could see, he sure as hell wasn’t scared to call himself a liberal or stand up to Jeb Bush.
        If she had shown the guts her uncle had, she would have been reelected, voter suppression or not.

        • johncAtl

          I didn’t know Hagan was related to Chiles. I lived in Florida when Chiles began his Senate career and got to vote for him once. I’d moved to Georgia before he ran for governor.

          • Ninja0980

            I didn’t either until I looked her up.
            Too bad she didn’t have her uncle’s political skills.
            She’s be in her second term if she did.

      • Sam_Handwich

        yup, they’re like Trump … full of cliches, but they have NO IDEA how the federal government actually works

        Obama is the most (positively) consequential president since LBJ

    • Lars Littlefield

      I think we desperately need a new vice chair.

    • Sam_Handwich

      oh fuck off Berner

    • Blake J Butler

      Throw in republican obstructionism, impatient working class whites that voted for him and/or/ either in 2008 and 2012 but not in midterms and not in 2016, liberals and progressives that didn’t bother to show up in midterms like they should have in midterms, but moaned about how little he got accomplished after 2010 to his final days in office, and maybe we would be in a better position.

      But no, purism, white trash, people not bothering to show up, and right-wing propaganda is the reason we lost. And we are paying for it.

      BTW Obama accomplished a lot during the beginning of his first term, when democrats controlled the house and the senate. 2010- 2016 was where the obstructionism came from because they were no longer in control of the branches of government with exception to the white house. Which we no longer control thanks to the groups above.

      Expect results when you control all three chambers, otherwise you’ll just get what we’ve seen in the almost last 100 days. They couldn’t organize a bakesale if they tried, let alone govern.

      • Ninja0980

        Pretty much what you said in a nutshell.
        The only part of Obama that needs to be called out is the courts… and that isn’t just on him, it’s on the entire party who has never fought for the courts the way Republicans have.

        • Joe in PA

          Exactly. And not to jump on…but Comey wasn’t the best thing. 🙁

          • Ninja0980

            His need to reach across the aisle bit us in the butt again and again, Comey being the worst.

          • Joe in PA

            Who was the guy that Clinton brought on…Bergen? He seemed to be ok (I could be wrong…poor memory). 🙂

          • Joe in PA

            David Gergen. My bad.

    • worstcultever

      Un the fuck believable.

      With what we have, facing us.

      Fuck it, I give up.

    • thom

      And did u see the shit bernie is pulling?
      He says he’s not sure if Jon Ossoff is “progressive” enough for him to back in the runoff. Seriously.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Ellison has missed his calling with so many pigeons in the park going unfed.

  • Blake J Butler

    And who said this would happen again ? oh yeah Hillary did, but you still wanted to rely on a resource that is on its way out. Coal is dead, economically and environmentally it is dead for there to continue to be jobs coming from this.

    Kentucky coal company announces plans to build the states largest solar farm.

    https://thinkprogress.org/kentucky-coal-mine-solar-farm-a5d10d6526bb

  • Lazycrockett
    • johncAtl

      Clear evidence of buyer’s remorse.

  • SoCalGal20

    Speaking of TX, this gentleman is going to be running in TX-32, in hopes of flipping it blue. It’s a district Hillary won +2.

    https://twitter.com/hellbentpod/status/854862541075382272

    • Lars Littlefield

      Unseating Ted Cruz would be the nicest thing anyone could ever do for the Republic — both of them. 😉

      • SoCalGal20

        It looks like it’s going to be Beto O’Rourke running against Ted Cruz. This guy is running against against Pete Sessions. TX is going to be interesting to watch in 2018.

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          There is also some chatter that Joaquin Castro might run against Cruz.

        • houstonray

          Beto is a relatively unknown in most of Texas (name recognition of course). He is well known in El Paso where his district is but Texas is so large you almost need someone with widespread name recognition. Joaquin Castro (who has that name recognition) is already beating Cruz (over Beto) in a hypothetical matchup. I’m not sure how it will all play out. I’d like to see Joaquin run against Cruz now and then have Beto run against Cornyn in 2020.

    • jefe5084

      they need some handsome, young ‘uns in Texas.
      Well, in all of Congress. And more women for f’ing sure.

    • CottonBlimp

      I’m sure being NFL is a big advantage. In Texas, football is bigger than Jesus.

  • worstcultever

    I can’t stand these fucks anymore. This bullshit is so goddamn pointless and only about money racketeering. Like any of them could give an actual fuck about a same-sex taxpaying perfectly ok couple of fellow humans living next door. This is just fucking total cynical tiresome BULLSHIT. Nobody cares, nobody. Except a seemingly never stoppable money racket to which weak, bored, Fox news-ified, soul-dead, excitable beings will be attracted.

    Fuck this bullshit. Thank gods there’s still an actual real world of humans out here.

  • MikeBx2

    I watched this live the other night. While the other two on the panel, who are White House Correspondents, were basically parroting Sean Spicer, David Frum, yes David Frum, wasn’t having it. This is the full interview, but worth watching just for what Frum has to say.
    https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/854525181683011584

    • Lazycrockett

      Frum has been vocally against Drumpf since the summer.

      • MikeBx2

        I was lying in bed watching this and everything single thing he said got an audible “YES” from me. He sees Trump and his cronies very clearly.

        • johncAtl

          Did you have clothes on while yelling “yes?” If the answer is “no” then the T&Cs of JMG require that you post pictures.

    • Sam_Handwich

      frum is suddenly embracing the scruffy look

  • Lazycrockett

    Oh The Last Word is gonna be shadier than the mightiest Elm Tree in the Forest.

  • Nic Peterson

    Golly, if only the best and brightest in the TX legislature had bothered to call me I could have told them that loving Jesus was going to be a costly experience. I learned my lesson the hard way in Miami over 20 years ago.

    • johncAtl

      Was Jesus the lawn boy? They can be expensive when they work outdoors all day without their shirts on. And the sweat rolls down over their nipples.

      Oh, sorry. Fantasies took over.

      • Nic Peterson

        Continue, by all means!

  • Lars Littlefield

    Time to leave and watch my favorite guilty pleasure: The Magicians. If you don’t like it, that’s fine with me. But you should see the side view silhouette of the centaur washing up behind the shower curtain. Big. 🙂

    The Magicians: http://www.syfy.com/themagicians

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      I rather enjoy the show as well. Penny is such a hotty, though Quentin isn’t too shabby either…OK, he’s actually shabby but hot 🙂

      • Lars Littlefield

        I regard Quentin to be more post Raphaelite rather than shabby. At Jason Ralph’s age I looked pretty much the same, (lugubrious, achingly thin, hair was a bit longer and I was substantially taller). Penny is such an explosive young man, but he’s purdy.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    OT – This is interesting. It seems at least one Republican senator doesn’t want to play along with Trump’s & Tillerson’s personal enrichment scheme.

    https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/854789080625885186

    • Lazycrockett

      and millions look at McCain and ask “You’re Surprised??”

    • thom

      Yet he voted to confirm Tillerson, knowing full well his conflicts of interest.
      But, whatever. He got his SCOTUS seat

      • Nowhereman

        McCain and Graham are useless.

    • boobert

      He’ll go along with it , just like he always does.

      • Nowhereman

        Party over country every time. What a fine patriot… (snark)

    • SoCalGal20

      Meh. Until he actually DOES something I don’t care what he says.

    • Ninja0980

      Actions speak louder then words.
      I loathe McCain more then Cruz, Lee or anyone else.
      At least they are honest about what dicks they are.
      McCain pretends otherwise, and people keep falling for it.

      • Treant

        It’s weird how many people believe what he (and others!) say, but never look at the results to see what they’re actually doing.

        For that reason, McCain and Trump got elected.

        • lymis

          McCain is well past the “fool me twice” territory. I can see electing someone with McCain’s credentials who talks a good line. At this point, I don’t understand RE-electing him.

    • Treant

      Not impressed. The Old Boat Anchor talks pretty in public, but invariably toes the line when voting. He’s useless.

    • jimbo65

      Well then he and Lindseybelle need to actually DO something about it and not just give it lip service. He’s a spineless turd that eventually falls in lock step with the GOP.

      • Lazycrockett

        Oh hes always outraged but never fails to not carry the party line.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          “You’re too negative.”

          — first time I’ve ever said that.

      • Nowhereman

        Both of them should have retired long ago. Another useless bag of jello is Mitch McConnell.

    • Nowhereman

      Hell–I knew that this was the plan pretty early on. They’re not even trying to hide it.

  • Jeffrey
  • Kevin
    • billbear1961

      If we lose Kennedy and end up with a 5-4 Nazi majority on SCOTUS, that’s the end of the 7th Circuit’s recent 8-3 ruling in our favour on this issue. And it won’t matter if any other Circuit courts stand up for us, either, at that point.

      Hope the left-wing purists who refused to vote for Hillary are happy having saddled us with a fascist future, one that may easily last for over THIRTY years.

      • johncAtl

        Sadly I think we have to accept that even if Trump, and maybe Pence, is removed from office we’re still going to be stuck with a Republican president until 2021. And we will lose Kennedy and Ginsburg. It’s going to be a dark time for the U.S.

        • billbear1961

          And probably Breyer, too.

          Yes, I think for those of us over 50, we won’t see the lamps lit again in this evil country.

          • johncAtl

            Some appropriate music for a dark time…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt9SN7Y-z-A

          • billbear1961

            The Republic will die only if we LET it.

            They can offer no rational, compelling reason–no genuine justification–for denying citizens their RIGHT to the equal protection of the laws.

            All they can do is offer up LAME EXCUSES for why BIGOTRY is all right, for why SOME people in a society somehow deserve rights and privileges SUPERIOR to those they arbitrarily judge or label their INFERIORS.

      • houstonray

        Hubby and I are in our 50’s (early, ha) so yep, thinking of it lasting over 30 years is essentially the rest of our lives. It sickens me to think of that and it angers me about those that didn’t bother to vote because, whatever. THEY did this to us. Those that are younger, yeah, maybe you’ll get a second chance with a good court but we won’t.

        And I will forever blame them.

        • Kevin

          I have an recent ex-friend of 32 years who’s gay and voted for Trump. Right after the election, this dude went off on another friend of mine who is severely physically disabled telling him that Trump would get rid of all the parasites on society like him.

          Needless to say, I am having very evil thoughts about this person every day. I’ll never speak to him or look at his face again as long as I live. I don’t know how I could know someone for that long without realizing what kind of fucked up monster they are.

          • billbear1961

            It is your former friend, the immoral monster, the brutal FASCIST, who is a parasite, a CANCER, on democracy.

            To speak that way to a severely disabled person, to call HIM a parasite!

            OUTRAGEOUS!!

            To be so totally lacking in empathy is a very good definition of EVIL.

          • houstonray

            Wow, that sickens me and disgusts me. Karma will catch up with him someday, but until then may his life be as difficult as possible.

          • Kevin

            It helps me a bit just getting it off my chest. I’ve never been so angry at anyone and I don’t like it. Anger is debilitating. I’ve not discussed it with anyone except his victim, certainly not with the ex-friend — I see no point in discussing anything with a brutal freak. He’s called here a few times wondering why we’ve drifted apart and I’ve made up reasons to feed to him. Thankfully he’s stopping calling about a month and a half ago.

        • billbear1961

          There IS the possibility of expanding the size of the Court.

          It would require us to have majorities in both chambers of Congress and a Democrat in the Oval Office.

          If we eliminate the filibuster for legislation, the GOP wouldn’t be able to stop us.

          THEY started this by violating the Constitution, when they refused, for nearly a YEAR, to consider ANY judge for SCOTUS that Obama might nominate and when they FORCED Gorsuch through, using the nuclear option.

          Our action expanding the court would NOT be unconstitutional. It says NOTHING about the size of the Court.

          Expanding it would be better than bowing down to FASCISM.

          Nothing can legitimize fascism in what is SUPPOSED to be a GENUINE democracy.

          • houstonray

            I’ve heard of that expansion of the court, very interesting indeed. We must fight every single day until 2018 and then every day after that to 2020 and beyond. We must take our country back (finally, that phrase REALLY makes sense) and keep it that way.

            I’ve always said and I truly believe it, if we could just have 8 years of control of all three branches, this country would be so much better off, no one would EVER vote “R” again…

        • billbear1961

          If MILLIONS of citizens are deprived of their RIGHT to the equal protection of the laws by the pure HATRED of a fanatical, FASCIST Court, a truly FREE people would REBEL.

        • billbear1961

          A court which does not dispense JUSTICE but which deprives citizens of their RIGHT to EQUALITY is no TRUE court of law.

          An unjust law is a law which must be DEFIED.

  • SoCalGal20

    Jenny Wilson filed papers with the FEC today to explore running against Orrin Hatch!

    https://twitter.com/adamparkhomenko/status/854870194564542464

    • johncAtl

      Hatch will be 84 on 11/6/18. That’s just too damn old. Get off the lawn Orrin!

      • SoCalGal20

        A bunch of them are really old and need to retire.

        • Ninja0980

          From both parties.
          Leahy in particular needs to go from our side.
          Half of the judicial vacancies are because of him and him letting Republicans block judges because of tradition of a Senate that doesn’t exist anymore.

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            Leahy is only 2 years older than Bernie Sanders.

          • johncAtl

            That is so true. The Senate was supposed to be the responsible part of the Congress. The House would have renegades, and the Senate would have statesmen. I’m not optimistic that this country will survive.

    • houstonray

      I LOVE to see all these young people running. It gives me hope for the future…

      • SoCalGal20

        I love to see all the women running!!!

        But, yes, younger people, minorities, women, we need them all!

        • houstonray

          Amen, I should have said that. I’d support an all female administration if it could happen. And minorities and definitely more LGBT peeps as well. DIVERSITY!!!!

          • SoCalGal20

            YES!!!!

        • Cackalaquiano

          Now will the damn Democratic Party actually support them and groom them for leadership? Or will the old folks in power jealously fight off any new blood or ideas? Let’s hope for the first option.

  • SoCalGal20
    • houstonray

      Heard about this today on Sirius Progress while I was at lunch and came home tonight and signed up to help here in Texas. Seems like a great group getting a big groundswell of support starting.

  • Treant

    OT: I’ve been doing my research since finding out I’ve had a migraine continuously for 35 years. Who knew?

    If we have any other sufferers, have you tried vitamin B12, magnesium, and/or Co-Q10? Magnesium is stripped by my Prilosec and is implicated in migraines. Co-Q10 production is blocked by my statin inhibitor, and is implicated in migraines. Naturally.

    I figure it can’t hurt to try; toxicity levels are ridiculously high on all three, and all three are pretty cheap.

    • johncAtl

      I take magnesium for blood pressure, and Co-Q10 for general heart health. Both are supported as beneficial by European health agencies, which aren’t controlled by the pharmaceutical companies like they are in the U.S.

      I think they have a positive impact, but can’t prove it.

      • Treant

        Frankly, when you’ve had a headache for 35 years, “I think” is more than sufficient, and anecdotal tales are more than welcome. It’s worth a try.

        There’s far more than anecdotal evidence, though! Studies show reductions of 40-50% in intensity and frequency of migraines on magnesium alone. Add Co-Q10 and B12 and the numbers rise. Side effects are minimal and generally very manageable.

        • Lazycrockett

          May be far fetched but I remember having read articles bout impacted or ingrown wisdom teeth causing migraines in people?

          • Treant

            I had all three wisdom teeth (I only had three buds) removed at age 17, and a ton of other teeth removed due to a small jaw. So me and my 23 teeth shouldn’t have a problem with that one, but thank you!

      • Treant

        Crap, I just saw the blood pressure thing. I’ll keep an eye on it; my normal blood pressure at age 48 is 125/75 as tested this morning when I got a script for Imitrex.

    • Samiam

      It might not be a bad idea to have a cranial CAT scan with contrast or an MRI, if you have not already done so. There is a possibility that there could be a physical cause. At least discuss it with your physician if you have not.

      • Treant

        I just had one! My sinuses are picture perfect. I have no tumors, growths, shady areas, or anything else. It’s definitely neurological.

        • Samiam

          Good! I’m very glad to hear that.

          I hesitated to even mention it, because it is such a frightening thing.

        • Samiam

          This study looks promising. My husband has suffered from migraine for most of his life starting around adolescence. Not constantly like you, but unpredictably. Strangely though, his has not had a single attack in the last 3 years and we can’t either figure out anything that has changed in diet, environment, etc..

          http://www.webmd.com/migraines-headaches/news/20160608/experimental-drug-acts-fast-against-chronic-migraine#1

          • Treant

            Wow. A two-thirds reduction in headache hours would be a freakin’ miracle. In my case, I suffer a headache 30 out of 30 days per month, so… 10 days out of thirty would be an incredible change!

            I bookmarked this and I’ll mention it to the neurologist.

    • fuzzybits

      Have you been approached by your Dr. about botox? Or perhaps you’re leary of it. Hubby gets it for something else,spasmodic dysphonia. But they’reusing it for different things. You mentioned Imatrex in another post. An old friend has been using that for years and seems to help,but she has wound up in the ER a few times.

      • Treant

        I’m in that stage where we’re going for the neurological consult as soon as I can get the appointment.

        Frankly, if they want to shoot me full of Botox, and it stops the constant headache, I’d let them fire the stuff into me anywhere they want. Warranted, it’s only a 2 to 3 or so on the 1-10 scale, but it’s always there.

  • Ladies and Gentlemen, thank you. From the bottom of my shriveled black heart.

  • Ninja0980

    OT/ but a friend let me know my ex isn’t doing so well (no shocker there) and asked if I wanted to see him.
    Hate to sound cold but there’s a reason I dumped his sorry but nearly 17 years ago and this friend knows it.
    Why on earth he thinks I want to see him now is beyond me but I told him no.
    Some might be the forgive and forget type but I’m not.
    I won’t wish harm on him but I’m not going to feel bad that karma is paying him his due either.

    • Treant

      Not that you need my opinion, but I agree with you on this one. Just because we had a past connection to a person does not imply any present connection if we severed the relationship. In some cases, we severed that relationship for excellent reasons and have no desire to reconnect.

      There are one or two exes I don’t want to see again, ever.

      Plus the statute of limitations ran out on that relationship long before 17 years. 🙂

      • Ninja0980

        Long story short, my ex wanted to bareback and I was NOT ready to take that step.
        All I can say is good thing I had my siblings and I had parents that weren’t afraid to talk about safe sex and when to say no and it came in handy.
        When he said bareback or nothing, I dumped him and didn’t look back.
        I’m STD free for that reason.
        Otherwise, it would be pill city, something he never showed concern for.
        So nope, not going to talk to him.

        • Treant

          Oh, seriously, fuck that shit. I’d say screw him, but that’s kind of an inappropriate joke in this instance. (So I made it anyway, of course!)

          I assume your friend knows that, in which case the question is appropriate but any pressure to see him wouldn’t be. Even I, Mr. Manners in person, wouldn’t hesitate to mention an illness to somebody’s ex, but wouldn’t do more than simply ask if you wish to reconnect.

    • johncAtl

      If “isn’t doing so well” means that he may be dying then I might think otherwise. The closure could be good for both of you. But if he’s healthy and is playing some game after 17 years then “no” is the right answer.

      • Ninja0980

        No idea what it is but given his lack of concern over my health and feelings in the past, I’m of the mindset it’s best to leave him alone.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Don’t feel guilty. I read tons of advice columns where they should have followed the “Dump him/her already!” advice years ago. Not quite the same but tons o’ people are browbeaten into taking back family members who physically and emotionally abused them and it only causes further harm. Always take care of yourself.

      • Treant

        This. My mother absolutely insists that I interact with and help out a cousin who’s hit me, stolen my stuff, stolen her stuff, and is a general ass.

        She gets annoyed to downright angry when I abjectly refuse. But I stand my ground, and I’m fortunate that my husband is utterly supportive of that decision.

        She’s a wonderful lady, so this single failing isn’t all that bad. But I still won’t give in on that point. He can go rot.

        • ByronK

          Good for you. Self respect trumps being “polite” or doing what is expected of you.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          If they’ve hit you, then there gone. PERIOD!

          • Treant

            That’s my philosophy on the subject.

            “He was drunk,” is her argument.

            “He’s always drunk.” is mine.

          • Reality.Bites

            Which is indeed in itself sufficient reason to not interact with him, even if he’d never hit you or stolen.

          • Treant

            We’re not even mentioning the bipolar disorder or the undiagnosed personality disorder.

    • DaddyRay

      Maybe you shouldn’t read too much into it. Anger towards ex’s can dissipate over time and they may have felt just as awkward wondering if they should tell you or not. They may have wondered if they didn’t tell you and then you found out they knew you might be upset for not being told.
      I certainly don’t know the situations obviously but just trying to present an alternate view.

    • ByronK

      I get it but there are also boundaries that are established over time and some of them we build for our own protection. It’s not mean, necessarily, but a way to protect ourselves and there is no crime in admitting that sometimes we have a passing thought that some people get what was coming to them. It’s called being human. It was a very hard struggle after leaving my marriage to not continue to feel concern about someone who was in a very bad place but eventually I realized that for my own health, I had to establish boundaries around what I was and wasn’t responsible for. The fact was, I was not responsible for his situation nor was it my job to fix it. I ended it and the healthiest thing was a complete break. That sort of thing is still good even after 17 years. You should always be your priority in this sort of situation.

  • Phillip in L.A.

    This is great news, thx for posting, Joe!

  • TrollopeReader

    Awww…..poor Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick ….awwwww. Atty Gen. Paxton …..

    • johncAtl

      Awww….poor Governor Abbott. He’s so mad he wants to jump up and down. But I hear he can’t.

      • TrollopeReader

        you’re mean!! He just wants to roll away …. 🙂

  • Mark

    Knowing they lost and knowing they have to pay is the best news in Texas. Suck it Paxton. Suck it Patrick.

  • Mickey Bitsko

    Congratulations Mark and Vic and Cleopatra and Nicole. Long may you continue to kick bigot arse!

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Is there a single comment here about the post Joe made? ‘Cause if there is, I don’t see it.

    • Treant
      • ByronK

        Ok, that’s adorable. And so fucking weird.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Are those onions in the bag??

        • Treant

          The testicles of a very large bull…

      • Lazycrockett

        damn that looks relaxing.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Where can I get one of those mechanical devices for my pussy?

      • Phillip in L.A.

        drink!

    • last post of the day always goes OT

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Old Testament?

      • Phillip in L.A.

        Of course it does, BeccaM

    • houstonray

      There are some but yep, the last post gives us a place to vent and more importantly, play until all hours of the night. I’ve always thought Joe should just give us an open topic post to end the evening but hey, this works too.

      • Lazycrockett

        I try to wait till at least 20 comments have been posted before i go OT on everyone’s ass.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        Of course, all that is true. Only thing is, I was reading this in the late afternoon on the west coast–not exactly the “wee hours” ;~}

    • Lumpy Gaga

      See this: I think Jonah’s voice and the new Servo’s voice are practically indistinguishable on the new MST3K. I have to watch me some Jonah-Kumail reruns to get more used to his voice.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        drink!

    • Stogiebear

      Thank you! It took scrolling through about half of the comments to find the first one.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        I scrolled and scrolled and got to the bottom, where disqus asked if I wanted to load more comments. My answer: nosireebob

  • BobSF_94117

    the Office of Attorney General Ken Paxton was “disappointed in the ruling” and considering next steps.

    Flogging some of their chachkas on Craigslist? Pimping out Ted Cruz? What?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      He has one and only one decision at this point: Pen first, or checkbook?

  • sword

    Texas will appeal to the US Supreme Court. “We will spend every dollar in the State coffers to stop this assault on States’ Rights”…I predict.

  • Cuberly
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Can’t wait until Dumpf is tried for TREASON.
      May be NEVER complete his sentence.

    • Sam_Handwich

      it would be funnier if it were actually a complete sentence.

      • Cuberly

        It still has more going on than any utterance from the golden one.

        • Lars Littlefield

          Eliding the operator (do) in a sentence is common in non standard English. The verb phrase isn’t complete, but technically it is a complete sentence because you’ve still got a subject (you) and a verb (miss). The direct object (me) is gravy.

      • Natty Enquirer

        It is a complete sentence. Posing questions in the declarative is possible, though informal, in English. It is much more common in other languages.

    • houstonray
  • Cuberly

    What the ever living fuck is wrong with this guy? The day of Bill’O’s pink slip no less. There’s so much going wrong in that statement, where to begin.

    https://twitter.com/ludacristiano/status/854860179611017220

    • Lazycrockett

      Old white men still think its their planet and their rules apply. Everyone is just overreacting.

      • Cuberly

        Do they offer courses in empathy somewhere?

        I recall Erich Fromm writing that the opposite of love is indifference not hate. That right there is the “Factor” in Bill’O’s universe.

        • Lars Littlefield

          Jeeze my mind is getting old. I read your comment and kept thinking, “Edith Wharton never wrote that . . .did she?”(Confused Eric Fromm with Ethan Frome)

          • Cuberly

            Heh….potato potatoe fromage….

            Read The Art of Loving in HS, back in the dark ages. That very singular quote, for some reason, hit me hard back then and it’s always stuck with me.

    • MikeBx2

      If they are leaning away from him, they are likely trying to get away. In his and Trump’s world that doesn’t matter though.

      • Cuberly

        Trump”I moved on her like a bitch…”

        I know what Trump was attempting to get at in that statement, but logically it’s garbage, just like he is.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Huckabee’s poor mama probably perpetually leaned back with the fried chicken and donuts when he was a child.

        And look where we are today.

    • Blake J Butler

      Just die already fat fuck.

      Self-respecting people in Arkansas hate you, and Florida i’m pretty sure feels the same, despite not knowing you like we do.

      Go bitch to your Duggar supporters, since he loves home grown sexual predators so much.

      • Cuberly

        I love the fact that on today of all days they invite their supposedly jocular good ole boy on to act just as O’Lielly would’ve.

    • safari

      I think all FOX News employees need to go on a month-long sexual harassment training boot camp.

      • Cuberly

        From what it sounds, Fox is a 24/7 how TO sexual harassment seminar.

  • ColdCountry

    Quite a bit of good news this evening on JMG!

  • Lazycrockett
    • Treant

      I don’t even have thoughts and prayers. They should have seen this coming.

      But maybe Trump will reopen the coal mines so these people can go back to work and get health insurance!

      • Snarkaholic

        The words “Clean Coal” alone should have tipped them off that they were being handed a barrel of B.S.

        • AJ Drew

          “First to fall over when the atmosphere is less than perfect
          Your sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect
          You live you life like a canary in a coalmine
          You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line”

          https://youtu.be/dQEIYjS1ePY

      • -M-

        The whole point of closing the mines was to avoid paying for things like their insurance and environmental clean up. Plus demand for coal is dropping, even China is moving to cleaner fuels and renewable energy.

    • houstonray

      I. Just. Can’t.

      Somehow this phrase comes to mind… “you reap what you sow”.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Please enjoy these Second Amendment solutions.

      • Lazycrockett

        psst there is a new prince ep out there in the pirate world.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Yeah, but I hit the website that’s actually selling it. More of his religious mumbo-jumbo “I’m wiser than everybody else” phase.

          And, some say, the music was “completed” after his death.

          I’d spend $$ on the pre-completion bootleg, maybe. I don’t want some flunky’s “completion” for free. I don’t think the comparison someone made here with unfinished symphonies was in the ballpark.

          And I must be getting old – I don’t see how the fact that he pored over online reviews after his shows is part of a DEA investigation, or critical knowledge for public consumption.

          That said, I cried at the thought of a handwritten copy of “U Got the Look” in with all the other… paraphernalia….

          • Lazycrockett

            Its only 6 songs and less than 15 minutes not worth buying it since there really is only 2 completed songs. Plus he’s not getting the money.

    • Blake J Butler

      Research. Research. Research.

      They listened to their bosses at the mine, their pastors, their family and friends, and orange pubes himself that they would be taken care of if they vote republican and especially vote for trump.

      Corporations are getting helped, the workers are getting the shaft, in this case coal miners. They did this to themselves on a empty promise.

      It’s a dying industry, its not coming back. Even the coal companies and the unions supporting him against Hillary right after the election said, coal wasn’t coming back. The economics are not there, renewables and natural gas are growing popular.

      Part of me says someone at work should have told them the truth, but even if they did, they would never believe it. They believe democrats are evil and have never worked for them, speak anything about social justice and they get riled up about how this country is perfect the way it is, denying that the problems exist.

      Poor, white, dumb, a perfect recipe for republican voters, why would they spend money to help people to later vote against republicans.

      They’ve been doing it to themselves for decades, like a toddler and a hot stove. If a toddler touches a hot stove, they will get burned,learn if they touch the stove again, they will still get burned.

      Trump voters are the same way, minus learning the moral of the tale, they keep burning themselves over and over and over again by voting in the same kind of people inflicting the very hardships they are experiencing.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        What angers me is the entitlement. They feel entitled to all the $$$ and support from people they would never help if the circumstances were reversed.

      • canoebum

        “I love the uneducated!” -Donald J Trump

    • Ninja0980

      They chose to listen to the con man who told them what they wanted to hear versus the woman who told them the cold hard truth.
      I have no pity for them at all.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        What I hate is that retail and tourism are having problems too and both industries singly employ way more people but I doubt coal miners give a shit about those workers.

        And my attitude is “You want everybody else to fucking give a damn about YOUR healthcare. Well if you made allies and gave a damn about other people’s healthcare, maybe you’d get somewhere! If people like you had stopped pointing at anybody not exactly like you and screaming ‘Soshulism! Kommunists! Moochers!” and voted for healthcare for everybody 24-7 then you wouldn’t be frantically tap dancing, wondering why everybody else is grinding their teeth as you stick your damn hands in their faces begging for your slice and ONLY your slice!”

        And more and more people are bound to put up solar panels as they realize that they can save tons of money off their utilities. And if scientists can make a safe, not too heavy battery that can store enough energy, each house could then do without paying utilities 24-7. Coal is freaking dead.

        • Ninja0980

          I agree with you 100%.
          The miners don’t give a fuck about anyone else but want us to help them?
          Eff that.

        • Treant

          Not to be outdone, the inventor of the lithium battery just invented the glass battery. Not without controversy, but given who it is…

          Higher energy capacity per kg, wider temperature range, faster charging, and doesn’t degrade as quickly as lithium.

        • Treant

          Let them eat Obamacare.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            I dare you to make up a fake newspaper headline saying this, with the paper being wielded by Mr Putin

    • safari

      …because 45 doesn’t care?

    • Cuberly

      S ome
      W onder
      W why

      Maga meets the new slogan.

      Make America SWW!?!

    • trouble94114

      Dear retired (and possibly) disabled miner wondering why Trump hasn’t fought harder, to protect your interests.

      Briefly put… You chose to trust someone who has, throughout their entire lifetime, repeated demonstrated on multiple levels, that he will say or do whatever is necessary to advance his own agenda (making money at the expense of others). Despite compelling evidence to the contrary, you chose to believe what you wanted to believe about the viability of your industry, and your candidate’s commitment to your overall health and well being.

    • Cackalaquiano

      And we all know damn well that, to the person, they voted for Trump.
      “Where’s that Trump Train taking you now guys?”

    • yes b’y
    • JT

      West Va went overwhelming for the lying traitor. He doesn’t give a damn for anything but himself. Will they learn from this? Probably not.

      • Chucktech

        Of course they won’t learn. They’ll just lay down and die instead. Must suck for them…

    • Boreal

      They’re getting what they voted for. One of the few promises dump kept.

    • sadoldguy

      Because
      1 – Golf is funner than coal mining.
      2 – Chocolate cake taste better than coal.
      3 – Even if those jobs came back, trump would fill them with temporary foreign workers.
      4 – Why would anyone believe anything trump says?

      You have been conned.

    • Rambie

      I’m sorry, but you Trump voters put the entire country into this situation. All I can say is; You reap what you sow. You believed the lying con man. Now we all have to deal with the fallout.

    • -M-

      Because he doesn’t care. Duh!

    • stuckinthewoods

      Maybe they can get jobs in eastern KY where a coal mining company announced plans to build a solar farm on a reclaimed mountaintop strip mine.
      http://www.courier-journal.com/story/tech/science/environment/2017/04/18/coal-company-plans-huge-solar-farm-strip-mine/100597672/

  • Ross

    I loooooooove Keith.

    “Proof that Donald Trump is Getting Crazier”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qYeX-6ySMs

    • TuuxKabin

      If only there were congresscritters with a mind and mouth like Keith’s. Sigh.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      We have psychiatrists in the family–none dares hazard an opinion on this subject.

  • SoCalGal20

    Go Ossoff!!! He fundraised $500,000 today!

    https://twitter.com/ec_schneider/status/854848152230297601

    • Cuberly

      Anything but Handel.

    • TuuxKabin

      The GOP will try like hell to find a way to break the system in order to fix it. But we’re backing Jon. Sign up for monthly $ to him.

  • DaddyRay

    I missed the Rachel interview with Warren earlier but am glad I am catching it now

  • Max_1
    • Phillip in L.A.

      I though that was why the award was called ‘a Roofie’!

  • Lazycrockett
    • Cuberly

      Winning!

      Yesterday Lindsaybelle just gushed about our current foreign policy. Manufactured conflict is so stimulatin to him, apparently.

      • Max_1

        War porn… It get’s Lyndsey hard.

      • BobSF_94117

        Yes, his and McCain fake concern about Russia seems to have dissipated. It served it’s purpose, leading people to believe any Republican gave a fuck.

    • BobSF_94117

      Deep breath. Someone’s trying to rattle you.

      They’ve been doing that for days. It’s normal. We track them. They track us. Keeps everyone busy.

      • Rambie

        ^that

    • Max_1

      Throughout the ages…
      … Man has always found ways to play Battleship.

      http://images.artistrunwebsite.com/arwblog/bg_7041384282568.gif?1384282568

    • AJ Drew

      Ya think DT could tell us about why that vessel is named Carl Vinson? Beh.

    • Rambie

      Remember the Cold War? Russian subs following US Navy ships has been happening for decades. Chinese vessels are a bit newer but similar tactic.

      Plus, tit for tat, we do the same to them.

  • Max_1
  • BeaverTales

    600K?

    Everything’s bigger in Texas.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      That is not a lot, to try a case like this, against a sovereign State, through trial AND appeal to the US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit In fact, the amount Plaintiffs’ attorneys usually ask for is not the amount awarded. Don’t know whether that is true here or not.

  • Cuberly

    Nite nite…

    I leave you with another gem from 70’s dinner party, a retweet. And, a nightmare….

    https://twitter.com/vineyard2981/status/854843911856050176

    • safari

      It’s called Lorraine’s Super Soup by it was submitted by a Doris. Apparently Doris doesn’t want to be known for this monstrosity.

    • barrixines

      “Dinnertimes just haven’t been the same since I bought Lorraine the can opener…”

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  • LesbianTippingHabits

    Well, let’s just hope all concerned continue to tip generously for good service.

    Thank you.

  • SFBruce

    So, Paxton is “disappointed” and “considering next steps.” How much more tax payer money is he willing to squander in order to stick it to gay people? Isn’t this judgement a fairly common outcome in cases like these? Texas already fought this too long with taxpayer funds, and even in Texas those taxpayers include gay people. Shut up, pay up and join the 21st century.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      “Isn’t this judgement a fairly common outcome in cases like these?”

      Yep. Where the statute (42 U.S.C. § 1983, here, iirc) awards attorneys’ fees to the winner, then you can bet the winner will get down to court as soon as local rules allow, with a Motion for Fees.

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Also folks, this was a case tried and appealed–we’re talking about years of work here, so $585K+ in fees is NOT a lot. From this post it’s not clear whether this award was for the appeal only, or for the trial + appeal. Usually if it’s the latter, the report would say, “the Court of Appeals affirmed the trial court’s award of fees.” Also, this:

    “The law firm that represented the couples has pledged the money to future pro bono work.”

  • Gerry Fisher

    ***I*** wanna be “Cleopatra!!! harumph! (Seriously, it’s nice to see the good guys win and to cause some bad guys grief by having to lose some money.)

    • Phillip in L.A.

      You *can* be Cleopatra; I’ll be Octavian (p/k/a Augustus Caesar Divi Filius Augustus)