ORLANDO: Wife Of Pulse Terrorist Pleads Not Guilty, Trial Date Set For One Week Before Attack Anniversary

Orlando’s NBC affiliate reports:

The wife of the gunman in the Pulse nightclub massacre has pleaded not guilty to charges of aiding and abetting her husband and obstruction of justice. Noor Salman, wife of Pulse nightclub shooter Omar Mateen, made a brief appearance before a judge in the Orlando federal courthouse Wednesday. Salman’s attorney waived the reading of an indictment and entered a not guilty plea for her.

Documents filed indicated a June 5th trial date before Judge Paul Byron, just one week before the one year anniversary of the Pulse massacre. Salman’s next court date is June 15. Salman agreed last week to be transferred to Florida from California, where she’d been held since her January arrest. A tentative June trial date was set.

Prosecutors say she knew about Mateen’s plans to attack the nightclub on June 12, killing 49 people. Her attorneys say she didn’t know the extent of his plans and has no connection to terror groups. A federal indictment also charges her with obstruction of justice during the investigation of the nightclub massacre.

  • LovesIrony

    boil the bitch

    • JaniceInToronto

      In Trumps piss.

    • Todd20036

      And throw in some winter root vegetables like onions, parsnips, carrots, radishes, a few beets, cunin, some dill (not too much), parsley, garlic (love that), and some potatoes for consistency, and maybe some shitake mushrooms

      Serve over a rice pilaf, though that is optional depending on how many potatoes you add.

      Probably red wine would go with it.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Charge the coont as a full accessory.

    • james1200

      I wonder why the only swear word JMG censors is “c*nt”? I can say fuck-fuckity-fuck-fuck all day long but not “c*nt”?

      • PickyPecker

        Out of deference to our sisters here at JMG; many who take offense to the term as demeaning to women in general.

        • Johnny Wyeknot

          I love my sisters here but I hate that word because it’s a horrible word. Period. (Oops)

          • Lars Littlefield

            So, I take it you’re not a fan of D.H. Lawrence? I found the word amusing and quaint when I first encountered it in Lady Chatterly’s Lover.

          • Johnny Wyeknot

            No, I’m a Henry James man, myself.

          • Lars Littlefield

            I like Henry James. But I don’t like Portrait of a Lady. During oral exams I was asked by my department advisors, “Tell us, Lars. What do you think about Isabel Archer, the protagonist of James masterpiece of his “early” period.”
            “I think she’s a pill”
            They all broke out in laughter. There were no more questions. I was granted my MA.

          • Johnny Wyeknot

            The Wings of the Dove is a favorite. As a matter of fact, I think I will pick it up and read it again. It will take my mind off of the madness of the world we live in today.

        • Todd20036

          f***ot isn’t tolerated very much here either.

          • safari

            I had a straight friend who used that word a couple times in my presence because I told him I’m not really offended by it. It was awkward for both of us when he used it.

          • james1200

            f*g is kinder, more affectionate, somehow.

        • NancyP

          On the other hand, if you spelled it “Queynt”, as in Chaucerian English, it might be fine, because it didn’t seem to be used as a slur at the time (1300s), at least in literary usage.

      • Natty Enquirer

        It is probably the most taboo word in current American English, next to n*gg*r. Which confuses our British friends, who consider it highly vulgar but not taboo.

        • vorpal

          There are worse words. (I love Tim Minchin. He is so hilarious.)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw

        • yes b’y

          Well that would explain its frequent use here in Newfoundland, since it was a former British colony before it joined Canada. I was quite taken aback one day when my brother in law dropped something from a ladder and said “Well curse of the queen’s c**t”. That was just so wrong on so many levels.

      • TheManicMechanic

        There are a couple variations of the N-word also on the banned list.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          “Nader”?

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            Nunes

          • TheManicMechanic

            HISSSSSSSSSSS

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        To my ears, it is a really ugly word. I try to never use it.

        • safari

          I can think of worse ones.

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            Me too, but there’s only one person I call ‘Ann Coulter.’

          • james1200

            “Moist”.

        • Natty Enquirer

          That’s because it is the indigenous word for “vulva” from Middle English, and, like many others, was eschewed by those who preferred Latinisms.

          • Lars Littlefield

            I was kicked out of a freshman English Shakespeare class when the professor asked if anyone knew what a “pudunda plant” was. Shakespeare was writing about one of several plants well-known in England during Elizabethan times: 1. European loosestrife, which was commonly called the pedunda plant because the individual florets looked like tiny vaginas; any one of a number of native orchids with blossoms that also resembled the labia mejora and minora, with a large clitoris (pistil and stamens). And the calla lily was commonly called the cunny lily among the libidinous residents of London at that time. But the professor wasn’t having any of that.

            Surprisingly, I learned all this interesting stuff in a class where we studied horticulture of the middle ages. It was perfectly fine to talk about such things in a physical science class. Odd.

          • The_Wretched

            Science is used to being descriptive and fact based.

        • Johnny Wyeknot

          Haha. See my comment below.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Smells like Salman.

  • james1200

    I know this is uncomfortable to talk about because the opportunistic assholes on the right (Trump and his whole party and the Dominionist preachers) have made it impossible to talk about but there really is just terrible things going on in EVERY Mulsim country now (and like it or not, some are bringing it to Europe; nearly every anti-gay attack there is now by Muslim kids). Turkey’s leader is busy as hell handing power over to the religious loons and at least for now, they are pretty much the only ones left who aren’t murderously anti-woman and anti-gay. Every other Muslim-majority country has gone off the cliff. Indonesia is the scariest one because 100 million people live there and they just declared Sharia Law in two regions and the first thing they did was take out a gay couple and give them a 100 lashes, after they found they were gay from social media. Women are essentially slaves and we are murdered or arrested and if the governments don’t do it, then families will honor kill their daughters and sons themselves. I don’t really know what to do about it but it’s about time to stop pretending as if Islam isn’t going thru it’s very own dark ages and gay rights groups really need to take up the cause for our community overseas.

    • Do Something Nice

      As long as we are clear that the vast majority of Muslims do not kill people and the vast majority of people victimized by radical Muslims are non-radical Muslims, I’m fine with what you wrote.

    • another_steve

      The vast vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving people who care for their loved ones and do their very best to eke out a living and get through the day. Just as the vast vast majority of Christians. Just like the vast vast majority of any religious denomination.

      We should all be careful not to broad-brush stereotype an entire people.

      That’s exactly what the theofascist right does to LGBT people.

      • Natty Enquirer

        True. However, it is still possible to criticize the ideas that people hold, especially where dogma is concerned. There are dangerous, antisocial ideas in the sacred books of all Abrahamic religions.

        • another_steve

          There’s horror and beauty in everything. Both, in everything. That’s the way of things. The two coexist and define each other.

          Without the one, we wouldn’t recognize the other.

      • james1200

        If that’s true, why is EVERY SINGLE Muslim country a hellhole for us? Why are we murdered or jailed or raped and tortured and have zero rights in all of them? Of course the terrorists make up an insignificant portion of Muslims; they don’t worry me. It’s the general conservatism of the religion now that freaks me out, and how badly we’re thought of by large swaths of the Muslim world and even among the population in Europe (Muslims in America aren’t nearly as conservative.) When half of Muslims in the UK say homosexuality should be banned, it’s a fucking problem.

        http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/
        “London (CNN) – More than half of British Muslims (52%) think homosexuality should not be legal, and nearly half (47%) think it is not appropriate for gay people to teach in schools, according to a new survey of British Muslims.”

        • Natty Enquirer

          Islamic culture in many places is highly sexist. A man who acts like a woman in any way meets with harsh punishment.

        • ByronK

          What about Africa? What about Asia? I think you’re being awfully selective.

          • james1200

            Except for Uganda, it’s the Muslim countries killing us in Africa, too.

          • ByronK
          • ByronK

            How about the Caribbean? Brazil?

          • james1200

            Brazil, sadly, is a violent country but 77% of Brazilians think “homophobia should be criminalized” and we have both gay marriage and legal protections in Brazil.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Brazil

          • ByronK

            And yet it is the most dangerous country in SA for the LGBT community.

          • james1200

            So Brazil is violent, so that makes what’s happening to us in the Muslim world ok? We’re culturally accepted in Brazil, like here. The general population doesn’t want us dead.

          • ByronK

            Did I say that? Come on.

          • Goodboy
          • james1200

            People say and post shit like this, which is what makes it impossible to talk about without people thinking you’re a bigot.

          • Goodboy

            If talking about reality makes me a bigot then I’m totally fine with that. Those people in the pics and anyone that supports them are savages.

          • ByronK

            Look, I’m not arguing that persecution of our community is rampant in Muslim countries, but it is not their exclusive domain and in the current climate, I think people should exercise caution before using such a broad brush. The problem is far right conservative religions and governments as in the case of Russia.

          • james1200

            The point I’m trying to make, and I thought I made it clearly, is the religion that’s violently hateful to us right now is Islam, especially in the Middle East. I’m not sure why violence in Brazil negates that. Uganda also doesn’t cancel out the fact that it’s one Christian country verses all the Muslim ones.

          • JD

            best take a gander at Orthodox Christianity–the patriarch is in Russia and since the fall of communism, the US church has fallen into line…

          • ByronK

            And the fact that the others are countries where Muslims are in the majority doesn’t cancel out the fact that the hate and persecution is being promoted by Christian extremists. And like many countries in the Caribbean, it’s also a product of colonialism. I never said Brazil negates anything.

          • Goodboy

            Brazil also has the highest murder rate of LGBT’s in the world.

          • james1200

            They have one of the highest murder rates in the world, period.

          • ByronK

            And it’s a growing problem – I read some people claiming its an epidemic. One of the most chilling things was seeing Ellen Page interview a police officer who assassinates gays in his spare time.

            http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/lgbt-brazil-transgender-violence-1.3724955

          • Goodboy

            I’d love to go to that carnival they have but would definitely stay within the crowds.

        • another_steve

          The problem as I see it isn’t religion per se but the infiltration of fundamentalist religion into the secular state.

          Here in the United States, if fundamentalist Christians took over (as is their goal), I guarantee you that LGBT people would be rounded up and herded into camps.

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            And yet it seems to be impossible to stop. A former minister in Belgium (from a left wing party) recently stated in an interview that all the mosques in Belgium are radicalized, every single one. His proposed solution was to create a Belgian “state islam” religion where only the government could license the imams and not allow any other imams to preach.

            Same thing in France. The brother of Mohammed Merah (the Toulouse shooter) has been walking the entire length of the country on a kind of Forrest-Gump-like peace mission, but when they were interviewing him he laid the blame at the preachers in the mosques and said they were all “salafist” and that they were the ones radicalizing the youth. According to him, young people go into the mosques fine and a couple months later come out radicalized.

            These are liberal politicians and muslims in Europe who are saying this. So what is the solution?

          • Goodboy

            I’m not sure but if they don’t address it and fast we’ll see fascism return to Europe all over again.

          • another_steve

            People of good will need to keep fighting those who seek the end of the secular state.

            The survival of the human race depends on it.

          • NancyP

            Ban the Saudis from funding mosques and other Islamic institutions in foreign countries. Make it an item of pride that “Local Muslims take care of their own, we don’t need no stinkin oil baron’s help”. That simple.

            Also, cult deprogramming and mental health intervention availability – parents being empowered to commit their son to a locked-unit mental hospital for evaluation, preferably by a Muslim psychiatrist and an associated Muslim mental-health chaplain who isn’t afraid to tell the young man that he’s full of sh*t for thinking that he is going to magically become holy, gain self-respect, etc by killing people.

            Muslim parents, especially in western countries, don’t want to see their kid go to hell figuratively and literally. But the parents are justifiably terrified of seeking help from the authorities.

          • JD

            Agreed, and unfortunately, the non-muslim understanding of Islam is being shaped by a specific sect in both mainstream media and their own fundamentalist communications. It is a red herring in relation to fundamentalism in general. Belief systems evolve–or they don’t. Those incapable of adapting to contemporary times either die off or fight for control.

          • another_steve

            At heart I’m an optimist. I believe that in the fullness of time the human brain — the human understanding — will evolve to an understanding of the “divine” that is peaceful and life-affirming.

            We’re far from that point now. Very far.

            But our species is still relatively new to the planet.

        • james1200

          There’s also some real ugliness coming Europe’s way since there is such a divide among Muslims and others when it comes to gay rights and religion (Europe is generally secular, except for Muslims.)

          http://www.gallup.com/poll/107512/moral-issues-divide-westerners-from-muslims-west.aspx
          “Moral Issues Divide Westerners From Muslims in the West”
          http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/080523Morals1_48fnwiothioj.gif

        • Mark

          There are lots of places where we are their scourge. And, there’s not enough of us to take them all on at once. Which reminds me: the best way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time.

          We need to start somewhere instead of everywhere – and shine light on these killers.

        • Goodboy

          I just don’t understand why they don’t stay in their own religious hell holes if they hate secularism so bad. I know I’d move if I hated my neighbors values that much.

          • james1200

            Many of them are second or third generation in Europe, that’s the weird part. Many of the kids are more conservative than the parents and they grew up in a free and open society.

          • NancyP

            There’s a certain amount of paranoia operating here – fear that their children will be contaminated by people they don’t know and don’t understand. Fear of being rejected by their own community, in a country where the secular and Christian majority assume that all Muslims are evil and should be thrown out of the country, thrown in jail, or worse. Hatred of LGBT people can be a way of uniting their community. Sound familiar? The 20% of Americans who are fundamentalist Christians display an almost identical psychology.

            It is hard to get attention for the religious moderates who would tell people to get over their need to scapegoat, and get their asses over to the soup kitchen or free store and actually do something useful.

        • NancyP

          A truly free press is one thing that the Muslim countries typically lack. Even Great Britain has the very real handicap of an overly strict anti-libel law. What is needed is to be able to report on all the hypocrisy of the religious leaders, AND to continually expose the corruption of the political leaders. Why is Muslim homophobia more intense than European-majority homophobia or Central American homophobia? The Muslim governments and the preachers have colluded to distract the populace with flashing-neon “OTHER PEOPLE’S SINS” so than the populace does not demand competence and honesty from its government. This is no different than what Putin is doing in collusion with the Russian Orthodox Church. This is what the Republican Party is doing at the moment – particularly wrt transgender people and bathrooms, “religious freedom” to refuse to serve customers at whim, etc. Keep the rubes occupied in thinking that they, the people, are holier than someone else and are threatened by Eeeeevil Sinners – and then they won’t be screaming bloody murder over the pauperization of the 99% by the 0.01% top earners, who are all unpatriotic and crooked thieves using overseas tax shelters, etc.

      • Gest2016

        I’m so sick of this “vast majority” bullshit. Of course the vast majority who live in civilized countries like ours are pro gay rights, as they basically have no choice. But in EVERY Muslim majority country, they want to kill gays. Its disgusting and stop fucking defending a religion based on killing homosexuals, read their operating manual, the Koran. Islam does not distinguish between church and state, its built into the religion that religion rules above all. So just add 2 and 2 and you will see that Muslims, when in majority, will not coexist with other religions, nor will they coexist with gay rights, womans rights, or anything that violates their brutal tribal code. The original poster was not talking about individuals, he was talking about what is in fact going on in every Muslim country. And at the root of the evil that is occurring in these countries is a religion based on hate. Yes, just like Christianity, only we’ve managed to separate Church and Religion, at least to the degree that Christianity isn’t allowed to murder gays.

    • Mark McGovern

      The Christian nation USA just took out over 500,000 innocent Iraqi civilians over a “mistake” from intelligence agencies. In God we Trust?. This same USA has a considerable contingent of Christian warriors who would lash, jail, fire, and kill us in a heartbeat if the law allowed. The only hope of protection is complete separation of church and state worldwide – but even Christians in the USA who don’t hate us won’t support that. Religion plus politics will be the downfall of us all.

      • another_steve

        I doubt that a majority of Christians in the US want the dissolution of the secular state.

        I don’t know whether there’s been any good polling on point, but I’d be very surprised if a majority of Christians in the US say they want the dissolution of the secular state.

        • Mark McGovern

          I agree they wouldn’t advocate dissolution of the secular state, because they don’t even know what that means. As for the latest “polling”, the last election has put the GOP in control of White House, House, Senate, Supreme Court, and two thirds of all state houses, senates, governor’s mansions. Who writes religious based laws? The GOP. Everywhere. All the time. There are hundreds of them pending. Who was instrumental in this election? Conservative Christianity.

          They don’t understand that by enshrining their religious beliefs in law, they endanger their own security to freely practice their religion.

          • another_steve

            Theofascists excel at preying upon human fears and human vulnerabilities. That’s how they make their living.

            Trump is President not because all the deplorables are god-fearing Christians. The deplorables wouldn’t recognize Jesus Christ if they tripped over him on the sidewalk.

            Trump is President because he ran a very successful campaign that preyed upon human fear and vulnerability.

        • The_Wretched

          Feel free to read up on Bannon and the Mercers and “The Family”. They expressly want the dissolution of the secular State. Cruz too and his family’s dominionism. A “majority” isn’t needed. Just most of the seats of power.

        • JD

          I doubt that most people would speak up as it was dissolved (is BEING dissolved) by those with a fundamentalist agenda. To do so risks social connections, business connections, your kids’ experience at school, etc. etc. It is the mundane that drives complacency and keeps a majority silent while a minority takes over.

          • another_steve

            Excellent point. Thanks.

            The situation is precarious, for sure.

          • NancyP

            Yes – because the ordinary Christian is not now a target. The ordinary Christian does not realize how fast a religious stage turns on its own after scapegoating everyone else. It is the natural outcome of investing particular religious institutions with power – infighting immediately starts. Congregational politics can be / usually is ugly and mean – that’s why a small town of 5,000 has a First Baptist Church, Second Baptist, Third Baptist, Fourth Baptist….and a dozen or so non-denominational breakaways from the Baptists etc.

    • Ninja0980

      Religion is poison.. simple as that.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Re: the recent attack on 2 men holding hands in the Netherlands: only saw 1 report that the suspects are Moroccan.

      But yeah, the much much larger problem is anyplace that doesn’t have a solid wall between church and state/civic and religious life/etc.

      And right now, we’re in a tailspin of our own. Gay marriage looks to be eliminated by attrition in Texas the same way abortion effectively is.

      • james1200

        I’m talking about every recent attacks on gays, especially in Germany. It tends to be by migrants or, the really scary part, kids that are second or third generation born.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Her attorneys say she didn’t know the extent of his plans and has no connection to terror groups.

    Even if both of those statements are true she could still be convicted

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Yeah, that doesn’t sound like the statement of a lawyer who thinks he has a winning case. It sounds like they’re going to try for reduced charges maybe.

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    • Snarkaholic

      “Extent?” What did she think he was going to do there…dance???

      • safari

        Or hookup. He apparently did that in the past.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    It’s going to be impossible to get a jury in Orlando whose members were not affected by this horrible massacre.

  • safari

    Her attorneys say she didn’t know the extent of his plans

    So, she knew.

    • TexasBoy

      In other words, she didn’t know exactly how many victims there would be

      • Lumpy Gaga

        “He said it would only be infidels.”

  • Ninja0980

    She knew her husband was going to kill people and did nothing to let others know so they could stop him.
    Lock her up and throw away the key.

  • Lazycrockett

    She helped him case the joint and then got a call asking her if the attack was on the news and social media. I see plead deal in her future.

  • Silver Badger

    Let’s not forget that many Muslim women, even here in our country, are treated very differently than American women. It is very possible she didn’t know anything of significance. (Just trying to see both sides of the issue.)

    • Natty Enquirer

      But not likely if prosecutors are going to the trouble of pressing charges.

      • Silver Badger

        Guilty until proven innocent is not an American principal. Or at least it’s not supposed to be.

        • RoFaWh

          “principle” as in “the guiding principle of American law…”, with adjectival form “principled”

          “principal” as in “the principal of the school” and “the principal villain”.

          I’m being more schoolmarmish than usual because this is one pair of words I myself have to take extra care to get right.

          • Silver Badger

            I went with the computer’s suggestion. Principle is the correct spelling. Bad computer!

  • Lumpy Gaga
  • Pluto Animus

    Anyone honest enough to face how horribly common hatred and intolerance are among Muslims worldwide should study the result of the 2013 Pew Poll, which interviewed over 90,000 participants from dozens of countries.

    I laboriously added the results from the various countries regarding intolerance for apostasy:

    550 million Muslims support the death penalty for those who leave their religion.

    (And that does not include results from the Arabian peninsula, where the poll was not conducted — that’s 50 million of the most conservative Muslims who were left out of the results.)

    550 million people. That’s not a small minority.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2009/10/07/mapping-the-global-muslim-population/

    • NancyP

      Well, yes. And the Christians burned and tortured other Christians and Jews – and Muslims – for a long portion of Christianity’s history as a state religion. The Muslim enlightenment came and went in the 1200s CE. The current Muslim governments and powerful imams understand very well that religion is the opiate of the masses, and manipulate accordingly. Religion has always been the rulers’ tools to control / neuter the masses.

  • Homo Erectus

    That date coincides with Gay Days at Disney (Orlando) – how appropriate.