NORTH CAROLINA: Republican House Speaker Vows That Bill To Ban Same-Sex Marriage Won’t Be Heard

The Raleigh News & Observer reports:

Republican legislators’ proposal to defy a U.S. Supreme Court ruling and restore the state constitution’s ban on same-sex marriage won’t get a hearing in the N.C. House, its leader said Wednesday.

House Bill 780 was filed Tuesday and says the 2015 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that legalized same-sex marriage across the country “is null and void in the State of North Carolina.” The sponsors argue in the bill language that it’s “clear that laws concerning marriage are for each state to establish and maintain severally and independently.”

House Speaker Tim Moore, a Republican, said Wednesday that he won’t allow the bill to move forward this session. “There are strong constitutional concerns with this legislation given that the U.S. Supreme Court has firmly ruled on the issue, therefore House Bill 780 will be referred to the House Rules Committee and will not be heard,” Moore said in a news release.

The bill was sponsored by four GOP House members and would have also banned the recognition of out-of-state same-sex marriages.

  • Tiger Quinn

    Yeah, getting “your guy” on the SC isn’t the slam dunk the fundies were hoping for.

  • Robincho

    Identity check, please, on the gentleman rear and center…

    • Tiger Quinn

      Beneath you. Come on.

      • Robincho

        That’s exactly where I need him…

  • Lars Littlefield

    Derp a derp. derp. derp and derp.

  • Superman

    North Carolina. One man, one woman. Or, really, however many women they can get.

  • bkmn

    When has wasting taxpayer dollars ever been a consideration for Republicans?

  • Michael R

    So, who are the men trying to bring North Carolina back to “the decree of Almighty God?” Republican Reps.
    Larry Pittman (R-Cabarrus),
    Michael Speciale (R-Beaufort, Craven, Pamlico),
    Carl Ford (R-Cabarrus, Rowan) and
    Mark Brody (R-Anson, Union).

    also note :

    Republican Rep. Larry Pittman is also the proud owner of this :

    A North Carolina Republican state representative said in a Facebook post that former President Abraham Lincoln was a “tyrant” as bad as German dictator Adolf Hitler.

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    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      My sister lived in Union. What a shithole meth-capital. While visiting her I was diagnosed with HIV. The case-manager informed me that to protect my sister’s family, I would need to keep my own utensils separate from theirs.

      This was in 2005. Nothing has changed since then except in a backwards direction.

    • Nowhereman

      And of course nevermind that the United States of America was founded on freedom of thought and was pointedly NOT under the decree of ANY supernatural being. I really don’t understand why these Jesus freaks don’t get it. I know a lot of christians who do understand it, and who also believe in science. Is it just a Southern thing?

  • Gustav2

    House Speaker Tim Moore may have been afraid of all of legal fees our lawyers would collect.

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      • Guest

        The USA has the best hackers in the world. The Israelis are second. Russia, China etc are good. Look what we started and Israel find she’d to Iran and their nuke centerfuges a few years ago. That was above what anyone can do. The USA just holds their fire until needed and does not comment. The measure of how good you are is to leave no or minimum traces.

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  • so, i just have to say this. i apologize to all of you who are like my father was, which is to say, decent white men.

    white men. what is wrong with you??? maybe yall don’t get this all the time, but the very first thing that came to my mind, looking at that picture, is “where are the women? where are the black people?” etc.

    it would be very Good if we had lots and lots of women, PoCs, and queers in office. we should all vote for that, all the time. things would be So Different. Sherri wrote a couple of books about this, and she is not wrong.

    give us a try. you’ll like it! we don’t hate you like you hate us. we will take care of you, raise your children well, and otherwise be kind. we have no interest in war, famine, hatred, fanatic religion, or the rest of that crap that is killing the whole world.

    • normadesmond

      Women should run everything.

      • It’s not that I think women will necessarily do a better job of running the world than men have. It’s that I can’t imagine how they could do any worse.

        • Ninja0980

          Depends whether they are like Angela Merkel and Hillary Clinton or are Liz Cheney or Marsha Blackburn types.

          • kaydenpat

            Or God forbid, Palin.

          • glass

            She’s not really a woman, she’s just a cartoon. O_o

        • Nowhereman

          I think they would do a MUCH better job.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Unless their last name is Davis and first name is Kim.

      • Nowhereman

        I agree.

      • Boreal

        Non-republican, non-religious women.

        • ericxdc

          …or non-republican, non-religious men.

      • SockMikey

        Women (and minorities) should be proportionally represented and equal (status/pay) in government and business.

      • TuuxKabin
    • That_Looks_Delicious

      It’s not that women didn’t run in North Carolina, it’s that ideology prevailed even among (Republican) women voters.

      • and that is because of jeebus. i really hate religion. it makes women stupid. it’s the same deal with islam, and all the rest of it. in this country it is kkkrist. i am a proud atheist for a very strong reason, and that’s because i don’t want a man in a dress telling me i can’t do what i want because i have a vagina.

        there is no gawd. face that with your whole self. because it is true.

    • The political divide is rural vs urban. Straight, white men who live in cities likely work with women and maybe even have women as bosses. If they had any issues with women or non-white people or gay people they got over it long ago because in a city you are around all kinds of people and the sorting you do for who you think is okay is rarely about race. It still shocks me at how cool college age straight guys are around gay men. It’s just not a problem for most of them. They’re straight, they know they’re straight and there’s nothing to feel threatened by. That’s not universal, obviously, but that’s the norm for younger straight men. Many of them have actual (not just on facebook) black, hispanic or asian friends because why wouldn’t they? It’s not the 50s when non-white people lived on the other side of town. They went to school together, had classes together, played sports together. It’s not a problem. Even in the military, the end of DADT was just not a problem. The right couldn’t even find an incident to blow up into something. It’s not a problem.

      The problem is old and rural straight white men who are freaked out about how the world isn’t what it quite frankly never was. That 50s tv-show crap was a fantasy. That wasn’t anyone’s reality. And especially not for people who were poor and white. It’s bullshit being sold to them by Fox News, talk radio and politicians who want to exploit them for votes so they can rob them blind. They are angry. In some ways they have plenty to be angry about but it’s not women and minorities and gay people that made their lives suck.

      • my mother and sister and i were literally the only black people, in the county where i grew up. the stories i could tell you.

        i know all about older white men. there are fewer of them now; like my dad, many of them are dead. this is not a bad thing, in terms of what is going to happen to this country. my dad was on the bench, and i spent a lot of time hanging out with older white men. dad was proud of me and took me to lots of meetings and stuff, where the white men flock.

        white men are afraid. Michael Moore is not wrong. white men have guns, they write laws giving themselves privs, they beat women and minorities because it makes them feel good. they hate gays because so many of them are.

        i don’t really understand it, to be honest. i don’t hate anyone. why would I? i just want to get along. but white men are a special category. hatred is built into them, it seems.

        again, i’m sorry for saying these things. it’s just that i know what is true, and the deep hatred that white men have for me is palpable and harsh. this morning three white people beat down someone in my neighborhood; they were cops. i was afraid and watched, because that was all i could do.

        • kaydenpat

          Wow. That’s awful. Not sure when things are going to get better on the racial front. Sigh.

        • Wynter Marie Starr

          I’m sorry to say it isn’t only old white men. I know more than one white female who don’t like people of color, gays, etc.

          I don’t understand it myself and I’ve spend a great deal of time thinking about it. My only conclusion is that they are fearful. Of what, I’ve yet to figure out. So, we keep working to make the world a better place. It’s all we can do.

  • Hello, Supremacy Clause? Bigots are such idiots.

  • LovesIrony

    Fuck you moore and more, you bigots are the ones that forced through hb2. don’t think you are any less of a fucking bigot because of this mess your friends shit out.

  • Sam_Handwich

    NC has run out of money to waste on losing battles in federal court

    • Ninja0980

      They also know that the court that will hear it and give the likely final say on the matter is the 4th Circuit, which is now a center to left leaning court.
      No way in hell will they ever ok something like this.

    • Nowhereman

      What gets me is that they are probably using OUR money to do it. Red state welfare.

  • Chucktech

    So. Not all of you are completely bat shit crazy and some of you do understand how the Supremacy Clause works. How refreshing…

    • Nowhereman

      Betsy DeVos is working on fixing that. Pretty soon, the only textbook in public school will be the buybull. ..

  • David L. Caster

    Good to see there was at least one adult in the room.

    • Smokey

      Unfortunately his colleagues are thinking, “Far be it from me to ever let my common sense get in the way of my stupidity. I say we press on.” – Sherrilyn Kenyon

    • grindstone

      In NC, the speaker has quite a bit of power, and this isn’t the first time a speaker has pocketed a bill and just said, no, not now, maybe not ever. Years back, the then-speaker pocketed the bill that was going to remove the sodomy laws, and then again when the lottery came up. It’s an effective and sometimes really infuriating way of timing their fights.

  • Wow, a refreshing statement of common sense & decency.

    • safari

      Why does it make me feel like he left the room and kicked a puppy, though?

    • Chucktech

      I think it’s more like being resigned to the reality of the US Constitution. He probably thinks it sucks and Jesus just HATES it, but here we are.

  • RJ (TO)

    BTW, still waiting on the rain of fireballs from above NOM et al promised us after Obergefell.

    • jefe5084

      Indeed. Those xtians need to put out a detailed calendar of all the apocalypses, calamities, locust attacks, etc. that are in the queue. We have several from the Graham Cracker, Jimmy Jim Bob Baker, Scary Jerry, Silly Willy, Pat the Rat, Lyin’ Bryan, and several others. My calendar is getting full, I need to plan and maybe get a bigger popcorn popper and some refreshments.

      • coram nobis

        Hurricane Donald hit the U.S. last November. Does that count as a biblical plague?

        • Bad Tom

          He is certainly a plague of Biblical proportions.

  • FAEN

    According to a friend in the NC Legislature this was a political stunt/trial balloon.

    • Nowhereman

      Gotta gin up that base!…

    • Of course it was — but give it until the next session, and it will be back.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    ” argue in the bill language that it’s “clear that laws concerning marriage are for each state to establish and maintain severally and independently.”

    Oh really ? You sure about that fuckhead ?

    • “Loving v. Virginia.”

      “Obergefell” and “Windsor.”

      So…no. Fuck no, it’s not entirely a state law issue, not when states have historically enacted unconstitutional discrimination via those laws.

    • Gianni

      Just imagine 50 states each with differing marital requirements, stipulations, and conditions to make it legal. Then they could each be deciding that other states don’t meet their particular conditions for a legal marriage and so start denying recognition of marriages performed in other states as being invalid in their state. Like passing the driving test and getting your driver’s license in your home state and finding out it’s not legal in other states. Totally ridiculous notion.

      • Ninja0980

        And yet 11 judges (8 of them W ones) felt that it was okay.
        Bigots, all of them.

    • Nowhereman

      They don’t understand how the constitution works. Or much else, really.

  • Ninja0980

    Memo to the ACC and NCAA.
    NC’s war on LGBT people hasn’t ended yet, so your ban shouldn’t either.

    • GlennF

      The Rethug leaders in the NC legislature are just lying low for now until they can be sure the economic boycotts are completely over and won’t be coming back.

      Once the NC Rethugs are sure of that, they’ll then resume their full war on Marriage Equality.

      • Oh, Parker

        Which in turn will make the boycotts come back.

  • greenmanTN

    Is there a point to this? Federal law supersedes State law, so at best you’re just doing this as a photo op for your troglodyte constituents.

    Here’s a newsflash, you calcified tampon, if you didn’t keep bringing it up they would forget about it completely, because it doesn’t really affect them at all! It’s only an issue because you make it one and keep trying to use it as wedge issue to distract people from the fact they are voting against their own interests.

    • Treant

      Well, hello my Dark Lord.

      • greenmanTN

        Well what’s your pretty little name, precious? 😉

        • Todd20036

          NICE TONGUE!!

      • greenmanTN

        Be honest. Does this brimstone make me look fat?

        • Treant

          Not. At. All. I mean, look at those trim…wings, and that tight, well-defined…horn…

          • greenmanTN

            Pardon me for saying so, but that was less than convincing. 😉

            Never mind me, don’t bother yourself, I’ll just go out and sell matches in the snow….

          • greenmanTN

            I have an odd… aesthetic? I Have an odd assortment of books with some “dark”themes though quite scholarly.

            My aunt has been dating a guy for many years. He asked her, based on my books, if I was a devil worshipper. “No, he’s just kinda odd.”


          • Todd20036

            I like your oddity

          • Treant

            Strangely, my reading choices tend to be light and downright cheerful–and generally feature very happy endings.

            Which, as you already know, is fairly at odds with my public persona, which is darker and slightly warped.

          • greenmanTN

            Despite all my posing as a black hearted knave, I like happy endings too. (Tell anyone and I’ll hunt you down! /s) I’ve bteen called sweet a time or two.

            True but funny/awful story. I had only been separated from my ex just a few weeks, not even two months. So I went to a gay bar for the first time in years.

            It was the 4th of July, so Invited a friend over for a BBQ, along with her new boyfriend, John, who I had never met.

            She knew that I had gone to a bar, so asked me if I had a good time. Well, no I didn’t, didn’t like the music, the cliques were off-putting, so no I didn’t have a good time.

            Instead of just saying that outright I had to be snarky and said,”The only thing that place needs is a clock tower and a rifle salesman,” obliquely referring to the shooting spree by Charles Whitman from the clock tower of University Of Texas, Austin.

            She looked at me and said “John’s sister was shot by Charles Whitman.” Oh holy fucking hell. I made a joke about a spree killer right in front of the brother of one of his victims. What are the odds of that, that some terminal smartass makes a joke about a spree killer in front of the brother of one of his victims?!

            I apologized so profusely and so often that John finally yelled at me,”Stop apologizing! She was wounded, she didn’t die, and I don’t even like her that much!”

            Things like that only seem to happen to me. I must have done something really awful in a previous life because time after time the Karma fairy drops by and delivers a heaping helping of shit. Why me?

          • greenmanTN

            i really am a dedicated low-brow, but one of the things that keeps me going are books that “transcend the genre” and have something larger to say, illuminate some dark corner. It doesnt happen often but it does happen. But just a decent story is enough. Just as soon as an author gets saddled with the title “literary” you can assume their writing will go to crap because they’re trying to live up to the award.

            I really did try to be a sophisticate, read “literary fiction”but it was so ass-achingly boring I couldn’t keep it up. “This book doesn’t even have a body count!” Shoot me now!

            Ahhhhh, pronoun trouble!


          • greenmanTN

            . I think my favorite gay novel might be Dream Boy by a Jim Grimsley. The ending is odd but I prefer to take it at face value, accept it as it is.

            There was a movie of it, but IMO the casting was wrong.

          • greenmanTN
          • greenmanTN

            Is it just me or are men with horns strangely erotic? Daniel Radcliffe in “Horns.”


            The book is much better than the movie. A kind of neat thing about the story, but here’s this guy with HORNS standing there, but after noticing them no one seems to see them, but they are compelled to tell him their darkest wishes. If he tells them to act on it they will carry them out, but if he says no they put them back in the box of unrealized impulses.

            As is often the case, those who are accused of being “bad” because they don’t believe in Jesus are in reality the most moral people.

            The book was written by Joe Hill, who is Stephen King’s son.

          • Treant

            “My darkest wish is to do hot, sweaty, naked things with you, Daniel.”

          • greenmanTN

            My thoughts sometimes drift onto men with horns. I will deny it a court of law, though if asked under law I will lie and pretend I have no idea what you’re talking about. 😉

            I was just sitting here watching Judge Judy!


          • greenmanTN


            I’ve only heard that some people find men with horns erotic. I of course, being really very fucking demure, can’t even imagine such a thing.

            Dainty. That’s the word I was looking for. I am very very dainty. 😉

          • Treant

            Now this…this is a very horny man.

          • greenmanTN

            I was in a… mood, so I wrote a porn story about Theseus and the Minotaur, in which the minotaur got his jollies and Theseus liked it too.

            I posted it online. Were you aware that a bull’s penis is called a pizzle? Neither did I but I got all these emails from people who liked the story but corrected my grammar! Sweet Jesus! I just wrote a story about a man being rogered by a MINOTAUR and you’re emailing me about my subject/noun agreement?! Well I am so so fucking sorry! A man gets screwed by a half man/half bull and a you’re writing to complain because I misspelled a word?! WTF?! I am so deeply sorry. (You are on my mailing list to send arsenic bon-bons.)

          • Treant

            Strangely, yes, I did know that a bull’s penis is a pizzle…because I once saw golf club handles that were, literally, advertised as being made from the pizzle of a bull.

            Technically, if the guy is half man, half bull, I doubt very much that it matters which noun you use. Both are equally accurate. 🙂 As long as the minotaur can give consent, I also don’t care what he and a human do together. 🙂

          • greenmanTN

            I got a lot of compliments (Hot story, dude!) but I can tell you from experience the last thing you want to hear is “I after E except after C.”

    • KnownDonorDad
      • greenmanTN

        I don’t think it’s an accident that Lucifer means bringer of light.

      • Ben in Oakland

        I like the Son Of the Morning’s final comment. “They live their own tiny lives. I do not lead heir lives for them.”

        • KnownDonorDad

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  • Ian

    Here’s the thing: Republicans are THRILLED not to have to fight the gay marriage thing any longer. That issue is off the table and they have a pretty air tight case that it’s out of their reach.

    They know it’s a failing issue for them that will cause them to lose if it were to continue.

    • KnownDonorDad

      Plus, they can still get some mileage out of demonizing trans people.

    • Cackalaquiano

      True for sensible Republicans. But there are others who fucking hate us so much that they WILL find a way to express that hatred in legislation.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      But trotting out “a fine xtian florist / baker / county clerk suffering persecution under the tranny of unelected torrents in black robes . . .” ad infinitum and nauseum has been a tried and true vote-getter over the years.

      • Not to mention a stellar fund-raiser.

  • Nowhereman

    So if marriage is up to the states, we can go back to the days of banning miscegenation? Can we require that the couple be of the same faith? Can we deny the right to marry to non-christians? Just thinking this through here…
    Imagine how much further along we would be as a nation and as a species if we could just get over this crap.

    • coram nobis

      That’s right, as long as they’re playing this game, they can try nullifying Loving v. Virginia, and maybe Brown v. Board of Education while they’re at it. And repeal the law of gravity. One wonders if they have a state budget and things like, well, infrastructure to deal with this session.

      • Bad Tom

        Pi = 3 By Biblical Law! (I Kings 7:23-26)
        Make multiplication easy. Or else.
        Or else what, I’m not sure, but I don’t want to ride on their planes.

      • Snarkaholic

        Gravity is Satan’s work…it’s the reason the bible bangers haven’t been raptured up to heaven!!!

    • Ninja0980

      Would love to see Clarence Thomas and Mitch McConnell both be arrested for violating miscegenation laws.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      They’re working on it — just give ’em time and a few more Drumpy judges.

  • JWC

    Gop getting a little worried about midterms??? Ya think Too many rowdt town halls

  • Tor

    So there are people in NC who don’t want to shoot themselves in the other foot?

  • coram nobis

    In the same News & Observer site, this, about hog farms in NC and pollution. So, you see where their priorities are this session.

    But in the case of a state House bill, lawmakers know the consequences: protecting the hog industry from lawsuits coming from people who say big hog farms that spray fields with liquified swine waste ruin their lives with horrendous odors, flies and other problems.
    * * *
    But thanks to a Duplin County farmer who is in the legislature, Rep. Jimmy Dixon, the farmers could get a little help from their friends in the General Assembly, who know the political influence of the well-heeled hog industry. Or, they will if the Senate concurs, which it should not.

    A bill passed by the House would actually limit the liability of hog farmers when it comes to suits, capping financial damages that could be awarded at what likely would be thousands of dollars instead of potentially hundreds of thousands or more.

    Astonishingly, before the bill passed, some House members wanted to apply the law to pending lawsuits. In other words, the bill would have intervened in cases now in progress. That in itself was evidence of just how powerful this industry is.

    A little more than 20 years ago, The News & Observer’s Pulitzer prize-winning series on the hog industry showed it to be woefully short on regulation. Heavy flooding that sent millions of gallons of farm waste over the banks of “waste lagoons” was stark evidence of the impact that lack of regulation can have …

    • OrangeJesus


    • TrollopeReader


  • KnownDonorDad

    The ones that advanced the bill can now go playing the martyr to their constituents, without having to actually have it struck down in court. The speaker had to make sure they avoided the legal part.

  • fuzzybits

    Thank goodness. But there sure is a lot of hate in what’s a beautiful state.

    • MBear

      A delicious apple pie infested with maggots is still disgusting no matter who baked the pie.

      Come to think of it, I’d say maggots have more social value than NC Republicans…lawmakers and otherwise.

  • kaydenpat

    Avoided an embarrassing situation.

  • BudClark

    All joking aside, Joe Jervis, I hope you take all prudent security measures, and then some. You KNOW there are reich-wing fanatics out there who are constantly stirring up their followers to KILL our leaders, and you’re one of the most visible. We LOVE you, bro, and we don’t want anything to happen to you!

    GINORMOUS SANDY HUGS from the California desert,
    Bud Clark
    Cathedral City CA

  • Nic Peterson

    Jesus wept?

  • Franciscan

    Perhaps we can pass a law in California overturning the S.C. Citizens United ruling, on the basis that Gawd frowns on the excess of money in politics.

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  • Of course the bill won’t be heard. The sponsors knew that, but that’s what concerned them. It was shameless political pandering for votes, pure and simple. It happens all the time. The sponsors will simply go home to their most clueless, conservative constituents, crow about how they want to reestablish “God’s Law” in this country, and those constituents will scream with delight and vote for them again.

  • Jim

    What the fuck is wrong with those people? There can’t be thousands of constituents requesting this crap. This is another example of evangelical christians and special interest groups infiltrating the government. I hope those clowns get voted out of office.

  • DesertSun59

    Not be heard this session.

    But it will be back.

    And when it returns it will be even MORE draconian.