CONNECTICUT: Senate Judiciary Committee Advances Bill That Would Allow Police To Arm Drones With Guns

The Associated Press reports:

Connecticut lawmakers are considering whether the state should become the first in the country to allow police to use drones outfitted with deadly weapons. The proposal was immediately met with concern by civil rights and liberties advocates.

The state legislature’s Judiciary Committee approved the bill Wednesday and sent it to the House of Representatives. It would ban the use of weaponized drones but exempt police. The state Police Officer Standards and Training Council would have to approve new rules and train officers before they could use weaponized drones.

North Dakota is the only state that allows police to use weaponized drones, but limits the use to “less lethal” weapons such as stun guns. Connecticut NAACP President Scot Esdaile opposes the bill and says he worries police will misuse drones.

Judiciary Committee co-chair Sen. John Kissel [photo] promises that that such drones would only be used in “very limited circumstances.”

  • Do Something Nice

    We are a country of imbeciles. What could possible go wrong with this plan?

  • kaydenpat

    Very limited circumstances = there aren’t a lot of Black folk in CT.

    • BearEyes

      depends on the city.

  • Natty Enquirer

    The more you militarize the police, the more they will act like an invading army.

  • PickyPecker
    • Mark

      Ugh….that is so me! Set the trash can on fire I did!

    • TheThruster

      lol, I should have scrolled 🙂

    • Tomcat

      Laws of evolution must be adhered to. The feeble brained must go first.

  • Lazycrockett

    Why have to put on your boots and go evaluate the situation when you can just send a drone with a gun. What could go wrong?

    • Tomcat

      Drone 54 where are you?

  • Rex

    A flying gun.
    Seems like a great idea.

    • TheThruster

      What could go wrong?

      • Sissy Spacedout

        Maybe they should be tested by the Secret Service first. 🙂

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    • Lars Littlefield

      I envision a sitcom starring Sally Fields.

    • another_steve

      I think the whole “weaponized drone” thing is going to be a major major problem in the years ahead.

      I’m not technologically “with-it,” so maybe someone can help me here:

      What’s to prevent a terrorist today from arming a sophisticated drone with a powerful bomb and dropping it over… wherever?

      • Ernest Endevor

        Nothing.

        • another_steve

          Scary. These things — at least the ones I’ve seen in pictures
          — are fairly small and compact.

          I know there are “no-fly zones” surrounding most world governmental centers (the U.S. Capitol included), but could a small drone travelling toward one at, say, 60 MPH be detected in time and shot down?

          • Ernest Endevor

            No. They’d have no alternative but nuke DC.

          • another_steve

            Please don’t do that.

            The man and I have several favorite restaurants in D.C.

          • Ernest Endevor

            The libtard French joints with their fancy wine-lists go first.

          • greenmanTN

            Pass the Freedom Fries, please.

          • another_steve

            I once read (don’t know if it’s still true) that Washington D.C. has more restaurants per capita than any other city in the world.

            D.C. residents reading here will of course be quite fond of Annie’s in the Dupont Circle area.

            Such fun. Such cute male server bunnies there.

            The food…?

            Not gourmet, but I wouldn’t eat my deep-fried clams and shrimp anywhere else.

          • catherinecc

            They likely have some millimeter radar and some variant of a CIWS (in addition to anti aircraft weapons) protecting buildings like that.

            You’d probably want to slow it down. Fast things are seen as dangerous to automated systems, slow things aren’t.

          • another_steve

            We’ve all seen those “then vs. now” pictures of the world’s computing capabilities. What 30 years ago occupied an entire room can today be held in your palm. Why should we assume the evolution of drone technology will be any different?

            Twenty years from today, drones hundreds of times smaller and more efficient than the drone technology that exists today.

      • TheManicMechanic

        It’s already being done in Iraq and Afghanistan, homemade drones dropping small bombs on troops and civilians. All made with easily obtained hobbyist parts.

        And you don’t technically have to “weaponize” a drone to do some damage. Fly a good sized drone into a police helicopter’s rotors, and you’ve done as much damage as traditional weapons.

      • Why bother? A terrorist can just hack the police drones and set them firing on the police.

        • another_steve

          Ohmigod I hadn’t even thought of that. :-/ It’s a computerized thing, after all.

          And any computer can be hacked into.

      • B Snow

        It would probably not stop a big, really fast drone, but it’s a start.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiinhvBCXE8

        • another_steve

          Wow! That’s really interesting.

          Thanks!

    • The petition to change the national bird will be available to sign shortly.

      • NancyP

        Actually, our national bird could be put to work. Some European police agency has trained the similar-sized European version of eagle to hunt and bring down drones. This works fine for small radio-operated civilian drones, the sort that you can buy for under a thousand dollars and use to carry an 8 oz payload (camera).

    • Frostbite

      I welcome our new flying murdering robot overlords!

    • ChrisMorley

      “The state Police Officer Standards and Training Council would have to
      approve new rules and train [white] officers before they could use weaponized drones.”

      Black Lives Matter?

    • Dom Saunders

      Because guns in the hands of humans work so well already…

      /s

  • BeaverTales

    Guns guns and more guns. Soon there will be more guns in this country than people. Right now we are at parity.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/06/04/a-minority-of-americans-own-guns-but-just-how-many-is-unclear/

    • Rex

      Estimated 300 million guns in the USA, so there probably are more guns than people already.

      • BeaverTales

        I’m looking for a graphic comparison of the birth + immigration/emigration rate to the death rate and to gun sales overall.

    • Tomcat

      But only 10 percent of the people own them.

  • WNY

    Like a video game come to life.

  • AtticusP

    What could possibly go wrong? /S

    And Connecticut, no less. I would’ve expected this from Alabama, Florida or Mississippi.

    • Nic Peterson

      It’ll be a monkey see, monkey do shitshow when y’all qaeda gets in the game .

      • AtticusP

        RoboCop III: Thinning the Herd.

    • FAEN

      In Alabama they’ll want rockets attached instead of guns.

    • BearEyes

      we had a case last year where a teenager had weaponised a drone and got busted for it. the cops being interviewed were practically drooling at the thought of it during the press conference about it. Me thinks there might be a connection.

    • Dom Saunders

      I don’t think any of those states could afford drones, let alone armed ones.

  • Mark

    well, robocop becomes reality.

  • Chris H.

    What could possibly go wrong?!?!

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly
  • Lazycrockett
  • Tomcat

    Amazing how we cannot get them to agree to body cameras and now they want to use weaponized devices to get the BAD GUY. Makes me sick.

  • JWC

    What could possibly go wrong with this idea I guess it would end Police shootings they would now be uncontrolled drone shootings

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      And no no one would every have to face prosecution, because if there’s 20 cops and one armed drone, how do you prove who was operating it and gave the ‘kill’ command?

      • JWC

        or that the drone somehow malfunctions Hey its a win win

  • KCMC
    • TheManicMechanic

      A dildrone in space!

      • Bluto

        In space, no one can hear you scream.

        • shivadog

          In space, no one can hear you cream.

  • Rex

    “Abner, she’s at it agai…BANG.”

  • TexasBoy

    Hmmm, granted police have probably had armed robots for a while (for bomb disposal, etc) those are generally hard wired. Imagine an armed drone and wireless hacker….what could possibly go wrong?

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      Snag a wire, get hit by a thrown rock, get confused by a reflective or metallic surface….

  • Ninja0980

    I’m assuming these drones are hack proof right?

  • Tomcat

    I expect under trump to see more than half of America behind bars or dead from his new militaristic approach to everything. Come on North Korea, give him something to do, please.

    • Stev84

      New? American society has been completely militarized for years

  • FAEN

    SAY WHAT????

  • I almost thought this was off-topic, but I emerged from the Twittersphere to find this JMG thread.

    Okay then:
    https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/847858561329901569

    • Lars Littlefield

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      • I’m totally into 17th wave interdimensional transfeminism.

      • Hank

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        • Lars Littlefield

          If you’re in Europe don’t you have a bidet in addition to a toilet?

    • Ernest Endevor

      Excellence in charting.

  • KCMC
    • billbear1961

      lol

  • Richard B

    Why sure, what could go wrong with local police arming drones?
    I can offer a far superior solution:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f5750fe7f78c8808eab1b78c1b54ec1bc1fd6969307f74e87a9c8501fe922b3.jpg

  • TheManicMechanic

    And to think I used to have respect for law enforcement. If cops can have armed drones, so must the rest of the population.

    • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

      While I know there are decent, moral cops out there, I don’t respect the police on the whole.

  • Halou

    “It would ban the use of weaponized drones but exempt police.”

    And what does the NRA have to say about this “infringement” of a person’s second amendment rights? I mean, if you’re allowed to mount a large machine gun to the back of your truck for “hunting” purposes… why not an armed drone too?

  • Mark

    very limited circumstances – bull shit!

  • Sissy Spacedout

    Very limited circumstances?

    That’s what they said about SWAT in Los Angeles in the fucking 1970s, you sack of biscuit droppings.

  • fuzzybits

    All those drone videos on youtube would come with a surprise!

  • Snarkaholic

    Too lazy from eating all of those doughnuts to chase the victims down the street yourself?

  • Cuberly

    So, basically some defense contractor is peddling the weaponized drones and throwing a crap ton of money at GOPers in an attempt to sell them & get long term contracts in place, is that a safe guess….

    What could possibly go wrong.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8ac2777704b3b390c472a875c72c753ade269da0cbf794f64cdd610f0bc6107.gif

  • Ernest Endevor
    • billbear1961
      • Ernest Endevor

        I see your UFO and raise you… Space 1999!!!!!!!!!https://youtu.be/DNkKCFaqib8

        • greenmanTN

          The hugest fight my dad and I ever had was over Space 1999. The local PBS station showed it on Saturday, but I was supposed to mow the yard. He said mow the yard now, and I said ok, but I want to watch this show first. He said “No, do it now..”

          From such small acorns huge oaks grow. We ended up crying on each other’s shoulders, but only after my mother said, “Well I hope you’re happy because you just made your daddy cry!” (Admittedly, pulling the scalpel from my brother’s high school dissection on him might have been a little OTT.)

          • Ernest Endevor

            PBS???? Well, okay. Nick Tate. Mmm. And kudos on making your dad cry.

          • greenmanTN

            Yeah. The only Brit shows we got were from PBS. the Benny Hill Show and Are You Being Served, Fawlty Towers (Farty Towels)? I have PBS to thank for that! 😉

          • Ernest Endevor

            Apart from Fawlty Towers they were all commercial TV shows in the UK. Mind you, the BBC produced the ghastly Dr Who. But that was a children’s show that came on for half-an-hour around 5:30, twice a week as I remember.

          • greenmanTN

            I know that Dr Who is a “thing” now, but I tried to watch it many years ago and remember thinking “We might have judged the special effects artists who made the Godzilla movies too harshly.” What was their budget, $5?

            I can cast no stones though, since air looked forward to watching Space
            Giants when. I got home from school. 😉

            https://youtu.be/JU-8WnO2fjA

            ,

    • grada3784

      Tomorrowland (aka the planet Mongo) from 1934.

  • Halou

    Good thing it’s not Oklahoma then.
    There they are debating whether or not to allow citizens to shoot down drones not covered by Federal Aviation Authority regulations. How is a person to know if a drone overflying their property is FAA approved? It’s not like they carry a banner behind them announcing the fact.

    http://kfor.com/2017/03/06/proposed-oklahoma-bill-would-allow-destruction-of-drones/

    • KCMC

      nephew got one for xmas. Registration is big deal, fee and all. I believe it’s simple to check into.

    • Lars Littlefield

      To be honest, I’m all in favor of exercising my gun rights to shoot down drones lurking over my property.

      • jixter

        I would, too – if I owned a gun. How far up do ‘air-rights’ extend? Is it a State or Federally controlled issue?

        • Lars Littlefield

          TBH it’s a federal thing when it comes to airports that may be nearby. Usuall 500 feet is the recognized maximum. But I don’t think there is a min/max if you live in the boonies like I do.

        • I wonder if one of those wrist sling shots with steel balls would take down a drone?

          • Silver Badger

            With a direct hit? Yes they would.

          • A: Yes. But so would a marble. Or just a piece of string or ribbon flung over them to entangle the rotors. Most fun would be drone warfare. Just get above them and dangle said string or ribbon; they’ll suck it right in from above. My coworker who flies reported such an incident at his flying field. Apparently they thought a variation of flag football would be fun with $1000 toys.

          • Depending on how they’re controlled, a spark gap transmitter is a simple electronic device incorporating a power source, a capacitor, and an electromagnetic mechanical relay. It works a bit like an EMP in that its field of impact is invisible, and unlike an EMP it only interferes with a spectrum of radio signals – generally not enough to disrupt electricity itself. Different capacitors will give it a different range, and the size and rating of the power source and the relay(s) affects its area. It floods the RF waves with “buzz” (basically the same one you hear audibly when it’s turned on) that prevents signals from coming through – a jammer.

            You can build a small one in 5 minutes probably with less than $15 at Radio Shack and a simple wiring diagram. A beginner can do it.

          • What is this “Radio Shack” you speak of? (R.I.P. Tandy Corp)

            My first one in the 80’s was made with a record player power supply, an old ignition coil & a brass strip for a “switch” to make & break power for the coil. A decade later I learned about 555 timers. I spent many summers at my grandparents with not much to do & not much interest in fashion or shopping (yet), so I improvised. My grandfather had an amazing (to me) workshop and stored *everything* in his garage. Including a dental x-ray machine. It’s a good thing I didn’t know it had a high voltage generator, I’d probably have given myself cancer tinkering.

            It’d probably be easier these days to throw together an actual jammer. I was looking up the frequency for drone control and found this: http://makezine.com/2015/10/16/research-company-takes-aim-uavs-portable-anti-drone-rifle/ Interesting – I still have a 2.4 ghz yagi in storage from my cantenna days…and some early wifi cards that allowed far greater control of the radio.

          • it would definitely be the way to go if it’s spread spectrum and ghz range because i’m not sure how fast you can click a relay. i’ve never done anything like this with frequencies that high.

          • Probably illegal. <<<>>> Definitely illegal. I’m trying to be a good role model for my kids, who are just edging into all this stuff (both tinkering & socio-political movements). Kids today have all the fun.

            (pouts)

          • I’d rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

          • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

            I’d fo for a flaming arrow soaked in napalm.

  • DesertSun59

    We know how this ends up in the nations where we send drones. The GOP knows this and can’t wait for OUR streets to be war zones, too.

  • Tomcat

    I use to say one that has nothing to hide and is innocent has nothing to fear from cop, politicians, etc. Well trump changed all that for me. Now I trust NO ONE anymore. I am just waiting for my end to come and trying to live peacefully until then.

  • Highmoremotel

    Yay! A new arms race! Who can get guns in the air first? The good guys or the bad guys and which guy is which?

  • Tor

    It’s bad enough, but if it were Alabama or Texas, I’d be terrified.

  • JDS

    This either Robocop or Skynet.

  • TuuxKabin

    And how much does KissAss, mean Kissel, have invested in the manufacturer?

  • billbear1961

    No, no, no, no, no.

  • billbear1961

    I wouldn’t blame people for shooting the goddamned things out of the sky.

  • OrangeJesus

    Skynet is real!

  • Silver Badger

    Would the police misuse armed drones like they misuse tasers? Well, yes they would.

  • Kenster999

    The solution to a bad drone with a gun is a good drone with a gun…

  • Bonobo

    If this passes then any citizen should be able to own a drone and some guns. It’s just an extension of the current NRA open carry rules.

  • greenmanTN

    Fred Flintstone said what?

    • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

      Let’s test it out by seeing how fast his pasty white ass can outrun it.

  • No More GOP.

    Absolutely morally repugnant to make it even easier to kill people.

  • Tempus Fuggit

    What could possibly go wrong?

  • bkmn

    Jeebus fracking Crist.

  • cleos_mom

    I live in a rural area with a lot of enthusiastic gun owners. This has the potential for some long-term entertainment.

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    Imma get me a bunch of them shoulder launchin missile thangs then.

  • JCF
  • EdmondWherever

    It’s the next generation in well-regulated militias!

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  • KnownDonorDad

    What are we talking? Like a predator? I think I was OK with BombBot, but that was a situation where a heavily armed, shooting suspect could have shot several police officers (the hesitation is that it seems like he could have been waited out). You have to be really careful with heavy weapons in law enforcement….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9l9wxGFl4k

  • Dom Saunders

    Since when were police allowed to have access to drones in the first place, let alone drones with guns?