Adam Schiff: The Most Disturbing Possibility Is That Trump Really Believes His Wiretapping Claim [VIDEO]

Politico reports:

The veracity of President Donald Trump’s claims has “real-world consequences,” California Rep. Adam Schiff said Sunday. Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said he doesn’t expect to see any evidence of the president’s explosive and unsubstantiated allegation last weekend that President Barack Obama illegally wiretapped Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign, which the White House has called on Congress to investigate.

“There are one or two possibilities here: Either the president quite deliberately for some reason made up this charge, or perhaps, more disturbing, the president really believes this,” Schiff told host George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week.” In any case, Schiff said, what the president says is consequential. “If six months from now the president should say that Iran is cheating on the nuclear agreement, if he’s making that up, it’s a real problem,” Schiff said.

  • Gerry Fisher

    You mean…truth still matters?! /s

    • billbear1961

      One can be forgiven for believing otherwise.

      🙁

  • HZ81

    The POTUS is a serial liar. That is all.

  • bkmn
    • RoFaWh

      Hats on men.

      Pre-1960, then.

      Youtube has a few publicity films from various railway companies; look for the one about the “20th Century Limited” luxury overnight passenger train between Chicago and NYC: lots on hats on men and the ladies dressed in their finest for the journey.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ_JLznUJ3I

      One thing notable is now many of the workers shown are black; it’s almost like the producer wanted whites in certain positions but there weren’t any.

  • Natty Enquirer
    • That movie messed with me for days afterwards…seriously had me in an altered state…

      • Acronym Jim

        What movie is that from?

        • Natty Enquirer

          Requiem for a Dream (2000)

          • Acronym Jim

            Thank you. I’ll have to check it out.

        • only watch it when your spirit is at its PEAK

  • crewman

    I don’t believe Trump or any of the GOP con-artists of his ilk believe anything they say. They know that all they have to do is spin plausible sounding lies loosely connected to points of truth to lend credibility. The more shocking and brazen the more effective. Except this is one has not worked well. It has not taken focus off the investigations into Trump’s complicity to overthrow the democratic election, and people are taking his threat seriously and demanding proof. He may have gotten himself into legal trouble here.

    • coram nobis

      That’s part of the problem: not just Donald being delusional but that he speaks for about 40% of the electorate that’s also delusional. And the whole conspiracy theory fits: Obama is tapping Donald’s phone; Obama has a whole “Deep State” of operatives in Donald’s administration. It all fits together and gets rebroadcast by Fox and the alt-right Net. Once you believe that it’s an easy step to sack 43 U.S. Attorneys.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/us/politics/deep-state-trump.html?_r=0

      Trouble then will be whether he/they believe that there is a legal system or that they have to obey it.

      • Robincho

        May I please sack Brian Sims?…

        • David Walker

          Do you mean fire or is that short for get him in the sack?

          • Acronym Jim

            Sims was a former football player. I’m pretty sure Robincho just wants to tackle him.

          • David Walker

            Robincho is not alone.

          • Robincho

            It is that ecstatic interval between tight-endedness and wide receivership that piques my interest most acutely… 😉

          • Robincho

            The latter, in hopes of creating some of the former!…

      • Chucktech

        40% of the electorate believe that Noah’s Ark was a thing. I have totally run out of fucks to give re. 40% of the electorate.

    • Chucktech

      I’d agree except to say that people are not taking his shocking claim seriously. This one is such a laughable, paranoid whopper that no one of any consequence in this story gives it even a shred of credence. Hence, Trump’s relative Twitter silence over the past week. Even HE knows he’s gone too far this time.

    • I think he does. I think he believes it. Not deeply or sincerely. He has no depth or sincerity. But he heard it and he felt it was true so now it is! Did no one watch the Colbert Report? This is Trump. Everyone should have had this figured out a year ago. OMFG we are all so fucked!

      • RoFaWh

        He has no depth or sincerity.

        So true!!!

  • geoffalnutt

    Disinformation and propaganda…Soviet Union-style. Putin hates Barack because of the sanctions…and is trying to destroy his legacy. That’s a big FAIL. Trump’s a racist, too – so all this works

  • 1. Its scary that Trump believes it (maybe paranoid) – condition of mental health issues. 2. Its scary, given Trump’s continuous lying that Americans continue to believe him (is the US that naive?). 3. Its shameful that the US lets this nightmare continue and the GOP or the Trump family don’t intervene to stop their father as there is something seriously wrong with him.

  • billbear1961

    God, we KNOW it’s a problem (talk about understatement!).

    Whether he’s deliberately lying–which is usually the case–or delusional, the TRUTH suffers. (Nice to see the “press” GIGGLE with Spicer over the regime’s baldfaced LYING! My GOD, I will NEVER forget these incidents! It explains a LOT about why this republic is on its DEATHBED!!)

    We cannot believe ANYTHING this goddamned regime tells us without LOTS of verification from sources we CAN trust.

    When the first military or financial CRISIS manifests, we are in GRAVE DANGER.

    We’ve GOT to get RID of these traitorous GANGSTERS and their Orange Fuehrer BEFORE THEN!!

  • Tawreos

    Has it really come to the point that we need to ground the president from Twitter?

    • Acronym Jim

      It has come to the point where we need to ground the president from presidenting.

      • Lars Littlefield

        I prefer that we don’t ground him. It leaves him more prone to dying if lightning hits him.

        • Dazzer

          Yeah. But it was lightning that animated Frankenstein’s monster. How do we know what will happen if Trump gets a double dose?

          • Lars Littlefield

            I hadn’t thought of that!

    • sadoldguy

      It isn’t that we need to hide the president’s foolish behavior, we need a president that doesn’t behave foolishly.

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      Oh, no, no, no let that crazy ass bastard tweet all he desires until, he can’t help himself from revealing damaging state secrets, punishable ones.

  • PDS The Christian View

    America’s freedom depends on Donald Trump defeating a liberal fascist coalition, of BLM, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Democrats and establishment Republicans. This satanic coalition has three threads that connect these fascist together. 1. They are all puppets of Islamic plutocrats. 2 they want to take away America’s weapons 2. they want European style open borders,. This video shows what open borders looks like in Europe and this year will be 10 times worse than last year. 60% of Americans want out borders secured so I think Trump can beat these fascist.

    • Mikey

      you seem to be using a lot of big words which you don’t understand.
      why don’t you go play and let the adults talk in peace?

    • Beagle

      You forgot /s.

    • Cuberly
    • Joe in PA

      I bet you are fun at parties.

    • sadoldguy

      But none of your doom and gloom predictions ever happen.

    • SoCalGal20

      Were you the guy standing in line behind me at the Duncan Hunter town hall yesterday? Also, you forgot to link your video.

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR
    • Bungee

      LOL
      Do you get holiday cards from Reynolds Wrap?

    • David L. Caster

      Poe’s Law makes rebuttal at best problematic. One doesn’t know whether to proffer a /s tag or give up in disgust at the impenetrable blatant and dangerous ignorance exhibited.

      P.S: PDS = Pretty Damn Stupid?

      • PDS The Christian View

        P. D. Swinford

        • David L. Caster

          Sorry, my mistake. You aren’t really serious in making your above remark are you?

    • sadoldguy

      Another plea for affordable, accessible mental heath care, thank you.

    • Acronym Jim

      Huh, all this time I thought the “Christian view” was to feed the hungry, cloth the poor, and heal the sick.

      I guess those four books were all wrong.

      • Treant

        That’s only true when defending the belief system against people who actually do that kind of thing, or when trying to grift it to somebody new to convert them.

        At other times, the books are considered allegorical and may be ignored in favor of the Old Testament.

    • ArchiLaw
    • Treant

      What?

      Oh, forget it. Blocked just for being incoherent.

    • Bad Tom

      “I’ve corresponded with 21 Nobel Laureates over the past 23 years.”

      William Shockley shared the 1956 Nobel Prize in Physics for inventing the transistor, yet he was a horrid racist who gradually alienated himself from his family and colleagues and died a lonely man.

      There are assholes in every realm.

      When you postulate grand evil collations ruled by Satan, you lose all credibility. If you represent the “Christian” view, then you reinforce my joy at repudiating that garbage 40 years ago.

    • Dazzer

      Americans kill more Americans each year than terrorists kill Americans.

      If you take all the victims of terrorism in Europe over the last five years, that number wouldn’t even get close to the number of Americans who were shot by other Americans last year alone.

      The other thing you might want to research is that Donald Trump has had years of deals with and loans from Saudi Arabian sheikhs (and is currently still seeking partners for even more investments in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries).

      If you want to see who has the closest links to Islamic plutocrats, you should start with Donald Trump.

      These are the only points of yours that I want to address.

      The rest of your post is pointless, ignorant drivel.

    • Carl

      I think we’ve found the one doing all the down voting in this thread.

      • Chucktech

        “Christian” seems to be up-voting most of the comments. He must like being abused. You know the type…

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      You know what’s so sad about your God? It’s how powerless and ineffective he is that he has to depend on sad paranoid people like you. Just admit that you’d worship anybody who would let you slaughter the people you hate. It would explain why you love a man who is an adulterer & twice-divorced (divorce being something Jesus spoke against), a business cheat, an agent of foreign hostile powers, a sexual predator.

      You are the type to whine about Michelle Obama wearing a sleeveless dress while ignoring that Trump’s wife posed naked in pictures. How can I take anything people like you say seriously. You bear false witness, you worship the orange equivalent of the golden calf and you prate endlessly about your righteousness for attention.

      “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray
      standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by
      others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. -Matthew 6:5

    • Chucktech

      Sorry, you lost me at “Christian View.”

      • PDS The Christian View

        Everyday my wife Betty & I are more encouraged than the day before under the most Christian president ever, our savior, the 2nd Jesus: DONALD J TRUMP.

        • Chucktech

          OK, this is just a joke or something, right? No true dim bulb simpleton christian would blaspheme Son God that way.

          • Anastasia Beaverhousen

            You know, I am not a religious person, but I have to agree comparing orange 45 to jeebus, that is blasphemy.

          • Dicky

            If they are going to go all second coming, then isn’t the first one that everyone says is real, actually the Anti-Christ? Nice to have that confirmation.

    • RoFaWh

      But the US already has open borders. Why else can people in the US happily drive several states away for fun?

  • Mikey

    If he is delusional he NEEDS to be removed from office as a menace to the country and the rest of the world.
    I suspect Trump suffers from more than narcissistic disorder. I think he is starting to suffer from dementia.
    Which makes him completely unfit for office.

    • Chucktech

      St. Ronnie soldiered through…

    • RoFaWh

      He’s in an early stage of Alzheimer syndrome.

      Remember, his father had Alzheimer’s and it’s known to be a condition that tends to run in families.

    • coram nobis

      Or, as I have been saying, “You may dislike politics, but you should worry if politics take a dislike to you.”

    • Chucktech

      Unfortunately, I have come to the conclusion that Americans are so stupid that they really should not participate in politics. They don’t understand it and are fed total bullshit by right wing media that they suck down.

      Stupid Americans saw an opportunity to stand up and bleat or squeal or ruminate in whatever blisteringly ignorant fashion available to them, aided by an anachronism called the Electoral College and as a result, this administration is what we’ve been reduced to.

      • JCF

        I know, I know: “you can’t fix stupid.”

        We HAVE TO try.

        • Chucktech

          I agree. Maybe you cannot “fix” stupid, but if there’s an iota of educability, you might be able to blunt it a little.

  • Boreal
    • Todd20036

      Maybe, but both do not find it easy, being cheesy

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  • AG

    There is a law on the books for making such a false accusation

    If Trump’s allegations are false: 18 U.S. Code § 1343 – Fraud by wire, radio, or television

    Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation occurs in relation to, or involving any benefit authorized, transported, transmitted, transferred, disbursed, or paid in connection with, a presidentially declared major disaster or emergency (as those terms are defined in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122)), or affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

    • Chucktech

      Except Trump didn’t defraud, for purpose of obtaining money or property. He’s just delusionally crazy.

  • Carl
    • Acronym Jim
      • SoCalGal20

        I felt SO bad for him. What a shitshow. And that whole circus at Mar-a-Lago. Ugh!

      • Mickey Bitsko

        Abe is a right-wing nationalist clown. I’m sure he and President Bannon get along very well.

        • Dicky

          I am always shocked by how open right-wing nationalists are with each other. Their philosophy pretty much requires that they make moves to show superiority amongst themselves. So their conventions just read to me as “You foreigners, get into power in your countries because you’re the perfect bogeymen for my citizens” and “See you in the war I will declare on you after I get power.”

    • billbear1961
      • Adam Schmidt

        Looks like you wouldn’t like BillBear1961 when he’s angry…. when he’s naked however, totally different story. 😉

        • AJ Drew

          Hmm… given the photo above, I’ll let you try to rub his belly first. I’ll just stand over here by the door.

        • billbear1961

          That’s a lovely avatar, Adam.

          🙂

          • Adam Schmidt

            Aww shucks… 😉

            I actually need to update it. Not that much has changed, just a bit of grey in the beard and I’ve bulked up a bit. I’ll see about getting it changed today.

          • billbear1961

            Success!

            Looking good.

            🙂

          • Adam Schmidt

            Aww… thank you Bill!

  • Acronym Jim

    Schiff is apparently under the impression that there will still BE an Iran deal in six months time.

    • Boreal

      It asks for a donation at the end. How very trumpish.

      • Lars Littlefield

        Something went wrong and I had to kill the page.

      • Chucktech

        So, with no donation forthcoming, my responses are put right into the Delete file.

    • Acronym Jim

      I hate those kinds of polls regardless from which direction you approach them. They propose to either cut (or eliminate) funding for programs that may be experiencing difficulties or inefficiencies, or throw money at programs for the same reasons.

      It’s rare that a suggestion is made to temporarily increase funding for the specific purpose of making a program more efficient to the point where you can safely save money once you achieve the goal.

      In other words, the focus should be on functionality and efficiency, not solely on funding.

      • Bungee

        Well, it was a poll about the federal budget, so…

        • Acronym Jim

          I’m aware of that, but it’s still approaching the problem backwards. First you need to identify how to make operations functional and efficient before you can determine whether funding needs to be increased or can be safely cut.

        • -M-

          It’s a money beg + e-mail harvest + message test by the RNC.

  • Jerry Kott

    And on the outside, he really believes he is a legitimate President.

  • The_Wretched

    Yes, it’s a real problem if the president of the US can’t remember or does care or totally flips on reality and puts our national security at risk. This. Is. Not. Normal.

    Remove him.

  • billbear1961

    If after all his relentless LYING anything he says is taken at face value, as legitimate “coin of the realm,” so to speak, I really don’t know what to say.

    The obvious question: “After all the other falsehoods and bonkers BS, how can we believe this man, whatever the issue? How can he be taken seriously, except as a very REAL threat, to democracy, to his own country AND the world??”

    EDIT: He has proven, again and again and again, that he is unfit–dangerously unfit–for the office he STOLE.

    For anyone to pretend otherwise at this point is to INSULT our intelligence.

    • Chucktech

      I agree, except to say he really didn’t steal very much at all, it was handed to him by Americans who are really too stupid to know what they’ve done.

      • billbear1961

        We shouldn’t forget that he lost the popular vote by nearly three MILLION votes, Chuck. The people didn’t do this–the winner-take-all E.C. system did. And THAT was decided by around–what?–80,000 people in three states, three states where the tyrant usurper and his fascists were DESPERATE to stop the recounts and examinations of very vulnerable OLD voting machines. WHY??

        He was also helped by a foreign power hostile to this country that he and his team colluded with; by that power’s propaganda spread by bots and paid agents online; by their theft (actively encouraged by Trump) of DNC emails, and the leaking of those documents by their puppets at Wikileaks; very possibly by their hacking of voting machines, their work or the work of the GOP in those states, states where polls had consistently shown Hillary in the lead.

        There are MANY reasons to question the legitimacy of this election.

        (Nice to see you, Chuck!)

        • Chucktech

          Wonderful, as always, to see you, Mr. Bear!

          And, preaching to the choir and all, Donald Trump didn’t, by and large, “steal” anything that wasn’t handed on a plate to him by the System (meaning the electoral process) and stooopid people. Trump’s success in the entire Republican primary season was all thanks to American morons and imbeciles (as well as racists and bigots).

    • RoFaWh

      Just say, in a loudish voice and very clearly, IT’S ANOTHER LIE.

      • billbear1961

        Count on it, RFW!

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    When 45 goes — and he will go — he will not go quietly.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      thats what I praying for. Im hoping he will take the entire rethug party down the drain with him

      • kanehau

        We can hope… but keep in mind we thought he would do that just by running – and look where that got us.

        But I do consider what would have happened if Hillary had won. Trump would have still said the things he’s said, and perhaps doubled down. There would be so many hearings about email and Benghazi – I can’t believe she would have been able to get much of anything done.

        Trump, on the other hand, is a train on fire heading for a chasm – this can seemingly only end one way – a disaster.

        Perhaps it is a much needed wake-up-call to america and the world.

        As an example – it seems to me that people are suddenly much more interested in politics – and much more divided. This is perhaps a good thing in the long run.

        Oh well… we’re in for a ride.

        • Acronym Jim
          • Mikey

            absolutely horrible scene from that film. the entire sequence that follows has given me nightmares for years.

          • Todd20036

            Not sure what that scene is, but it reminds me of the “Men in Black” scene where Billy Bob and Will Smith rocket through the Holland Tunnel.

          • Mikey

            it’s the passenger train on fire, in War of the Worlds.
            the subsequent nightmare-inducing (for me) scene is that on the ferry. There’s a more-or-less parallel scene in the book, and I remember reading it as a kid and being terrified of that scene. In the film it amplified that memory.

      • AJ Drew

        Yeah… I don’t think that’s what CDT meant, but I like your version of potential events better!

      • clay

        Pence almost got dragged in this week, but he escaped by claiming he never got Ellison’s letter re. Flynn.

      • Everyone thought that when Nixon went down and then 7 years later Reagan was president. I’m tired of liberals dancing on the supposed grave of Republicans. They are the undead party. You can’t kill what is already dead but still moving.

    • Chucktech

      That’s why the Dear Lord gave us popcorn.

      • RoFaWh

        And hopefully He will give DT a profound stroke that leaves him alive but incontinent, incapable of speech, and mostly paralyzed.

  • that’s the thing about serial liars and sociopaths. they come to believe their own lies. he’s both, as a bunch of mental health professionals recently agreed in a paper that got passed around.

    it’s very scary to have a mentally unstable person as president.

    • JWC

      you have nailed it exactly The man has lied so often he can no longer distiguish between fact and fiction How did this demon fall through cracks of mental health

      • David L. Caster

        Money and bluster.

      • That assumes that he cares what’s objectively true and what isn’t. He isn’t concerned with that. He heard it, liked it and repeated it. There’s no thinking involved. He says whatever he wants to be saying or whatever he thinks people want to hear. Fact checking? Why bother. Fake news!

    • AJ Drew

      Ah… let us not forget DT’s “medical report” calling him the healthiest potential POTUS ever!

      And yes, many pundits and medical professionals and mental health professionals have suggested that DT needs a *real* physical and mental health evaluation.

      The best comment I’ve seen about that is: “And both of those are covered by Obamacare!”

      • clay

        When do his ‘scripts run empty?

      • RoFaWh

        I’m faintly surprised that his doctor, the colonoscopy dude, hadn’t been had up on medical ethics charges over that letter.

        As for his physical health, has anyone else noticed that his photos usually disguise his wattles, but the odd one that was taken without rehearsal shows he has very wattle-y wattles?

        Whatever, I’ve thought for a long time now that his appearance is that of a notably unhealthy 70 y.o. man who, for fear of hearing news he won’t like, refrains from getting proper medical exams once in a while.

        • AJ Drew

          Yeah, and… oh, in your last paragraph you answered it all.

          But how did he get away with that? And his tax returns for that matter… how?

  • Bad Tom

    I think Trump really believes his claims; he was manipulated into believing them by his puppet masters.

    They want him distracted and shouting about nonsense. It’s useful to them.
    For now.

    • RoFaWh

      The cherry on top of the sundae is that Drumpf is very easily manipulated: just slide another sheet of paper into his “to read” pile. He’ll believe whatever’s written on it.

      I’m waiting for NASA to announce that re-examination of moon rocks has shown that they are in fact formed from green cheese.

      • Todd20036

        So long as it comes from some RWNJ site like Whitefart or Fux “News” or some such

  • Sam_Handwich

    Sad!

  • PDS The Christian View

    More blasphemy from the leftists!

    Since my wife Betty & I started praying ot president Trump, we don’t even need the toxic diabeatees pills anymore.

    • Sam_Handwich
    • DaddyRay

      Let them eat cake

    • sadoldguy

      Your loss of dexterity is a symptom of untreated diabetes.

      • Anastasia Beaverhousen

        And herpes.

    • Bungee
    • Acronym Jim

      Do those 21 Nobel Laureates with whom you have “correspond” with over the past 23 years ever correct your spelling and grammar?

    • edrex

      your wife is betty bowers? i had no idea she had the sugar so bad.

      • Bad Tom

        Betty spellchecks her posts!

        • edrex

          but maybe her husband doesn’t?

          • Gianni

            You did misspell ‘diabetes’ on purpose, right?

          • edrex

            i’ll leave that as an open question…

      • edrex

        kind of amused that this got a downvote ( never got one before). but it raises questions for me… like “pourquois?”

    • Bad Tom

      Praying to President Trump?
      Isn’t that Blasphemous?

      • Gianni

        Seems obvious that his English usage isn’t so good and he certainly doesn’t proof-read his statements.

    • Carl

      Parody account needs more practice?

      • AJ Drew

        Yes. But, close, so close.

        • edrex

          i choose to believe it is.

      • houstonray

        I don’t think it’s parody. That comment alone might look like parody but the other comment history is pure hate.

    • houstonray

      Funny, I saw your user name and thought that said “POS The Christian View”. I checked your comment history and this one that you left on Breitbart really cracks me up…

      “President Trump is the most Christian person alive, ever.
      He’s the American Pope we’re so lucky to have”.

      Yep POS fits nicely…

      Now blocked….

    • this is really testing Poe’s Law, this one. 😉

      • PDS The Christian View

        You have no idea how many fans I’ve gotten. Serious, die hard fans.

        sigh, we’re heading to an apocalypse for real

    • Gianni

      Are you serious? You even spell like Donald. (diabeatees?) You sounded it out and put it together, didn’t you?

    • Gianni

      Blasphemy? How so? Besides, what is praying ‘of ‘ Donald Trump? Do you mean ‘to’ of ‘for’? ‘Cause if you’re praying ‘to’ Donald, now that’s blasphemy! First Commandment, remember?

  • AJ Drew

    Sing it, Mr. Schiff, sing it loud. Time for DT to put up or shut up, otherwise how can anything he says ever be considered even vaguely trust-worthy to the world at large, ever again?

    (And, yes, many of us gave up on any honesty from DT long ago, but this claim about wire-tapping and bad-mouthing his predecessor without apparent cause MUST have consequences.)

    • JWC

      This is interesting in the fact that Schiff, about a week ago,said that the FBI was not fothcoming with info to the Justice department A few days later Comey was seen goingt into the justice department a few days ago. Now Schiff seems way more positive about that suppoesed meeting See what Rachel reports tommorrow

      • AJ Drew

        Maddow’s style has steadily become long-form journalism, but I think she’s nailing it. She starts with something seemingly off-topic and innocuous, but circles around it until it comes full-circle and connects with stunning poignancy. Connecting the dots has become sadly vital currently. DT and behind-the-scenes Prex Bannon are full-throttle obfuscating. We need more journalists like Maddow’s team.

        • JWC

          I like to think that she is slowly explaining a simple fact to those that may require it ,, leaving no one behind which can be constued as slighlt (smirk) sarcastic

        • Gianni

          I find that Rachel has a really good sense of things that are currently flying under the radar, but could and likely will become major issues. She and her staff dig deep and paint the pictures taking enough time to be thorough about it and put the pieces together. The Flint Water Crises comes to mind right away. She found that and hammered it until the major news services couldn’t ignore it any longer.

          • AJ Drew

            Oh, I was just in another conversation about the Flint water crisis… it’s still a huge issue, and where is the media about *that*? Lots of DT bs to cover, I get it, but why not hold DT’s feet to the fire about American homeowners without safe water? (not directed at you, Gianni, but it’s an angry and worthwhile issue, I think.)

          • Gianni

            I understand and I get your point. That issue hasn’t gone away.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Is there any doubt among the majority whether Trump is trustworthy? He has shown his stripes over and over again. He is a prevaricating, preening demagogue.

    • RoFaWh

      I read a headline a day or two ago that Obama is, to the consternation of the conspiracy theory class, re-entering politics. I’d call that a consequence of Drumpf’s incessant b.s. lies.

      • AJ Drew

        I did not read that, but I hope it’s true. *Both* Obamas… and isn’t one of their daughters now old enough to run for a local election? Hmm.

  • Tomcat

    All I want to know is what is all that moaning and laughing coming from the trump tower at night when Melania is the only one there?

    • sadoldguy

      Maybe her secret service attachment?

      • David Walker

        She has a strap-on detachment?

        • RoFaWh

          Oner of the older boys?

  • David Walker

    Rachel has had Schiff on her show a couple of times and he sounds like he’s genuinely interested in getting a real, independent investigation going. I think he’s the guy who said he’s be willing to meet Steele, the former MI6 guy who wrote the piss dossier, anywhere. That is to say, Steele need not come to the US and risk being detained by Customs or TSA. That made me believe that Schiff is on it. If I’m not mistaken, a few repubs have since said they’d join Schiff wherever the meeting took place.

    • Tomcat

      Schiff is trustworthy. The reason he said the man does not need to come to the USA is the man is in hiding because he is on some peoples hit list.
      Donald’s most likely included.

      • Gianni

        Mr. Steele finally came out of hiding.

      • David Walker

        According to Rachel, he has stopped hiding and is now going to his office in London. He hesitates to come here, however. Can’t say as I blame him.

  • Tomcat

    Stick around people, King trump is going to make it snow in
    Washington.

  • Friday

    Trump’s a pathological liar and narcissist, it doesn’t matter if he ‘believes’ what he says, it only depends what suits his ego and scams anyway.

  • tbj5

    If there was a secret investigation/wiretap that Hair Furor screeched to the world, then Donnie flagrantly committed Obstruction of Justice. That’s literally what Nixon was impeached for. .

  • Robert Conner

    The implication is that a foreign government could plant fake news in the sources Trump follows compulsively and send him off on a paranoid tangent. It’s not so much that his truth compass is broken; he simply doesn’t have one.

    • RoFaWh

      Well-phrased.

    • Gianni

      I’m willing to believe that. He has yet to demonstrate to us that facts and truth mean anything to him. He makes a claim of being wiretapped by order of President Obama; has no evidence or proof to substantiate his claim; decides that Congress must stop everything and investigate it (because Donald said so); then announces that he’ll be proven right. Is he playing his usual game of distracting the news away from the negative spotlight that’s on him? It would seem so. He, himself, publicly stated that he LIKES to keep people off balance and gets a kick of watching people try to figure him out. Lordy, he now has the job where he can be front page news each and every day with people constantly talking about and wondering what the hell is going on in that pathetic brain of his.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Why are they even debating about the meaning of the words coming out of the con man? Crown him a king, a president, a SCOTUS judge or Miss Universe, it does not suddenly make him speaks the truth. This guy make a living of telling lies his entire life. You put a con man in the White House, you are going to get swindle, it does not get any simpler than that!

  • Ben in Oakland

    I’ll disagree about this.
    If he believes it, that just means that he is crazy and uncritical in his thoughts.
    If he DOESN’T believe it, but says it any, that means he is cynical, dishonest, manipulative and a sociopath.
    Personally, I prefer crazy.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      With one caveat. I don’t like “crazy” and “access to the nuclear codes” coexisting in the same person.

      This is caricature by a segment of the opening skit (in French) of Radio-Canada’s Bye Bye 2016.

      https://youtu.be/oi6MSwvd7WY?t=1m9s

  • Jesus Mary and Joseph are people in Washington really this stupid? Yes, Trump probably believes that Obama had him wiretapped. I doubt he’s thought through it that well because he has no depth at all and never has. But yes motherfucker he believes it. He probably also though that Obama was born in Kenya. Do they not fucking get this yet? OMFG we are all so fucked if they haven’t figured this out yet. Goddamn.

    • RoFaWh

      “Trump” and “think” never belong in the same sentence.

      The man is mentally disabled in that he’s profoundly incapable of distinguishing truth from falsehood.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      Reading your post starting with “Jesus, Mary and Joseph” gave me a visual image of a dog nativity scene. (Couldn’t find one with Spaniels, sorry!)

      http://siegesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/real-dogs-nativity.jpg

      • LOL Somehow it makes me feel better that I’m not the only person whose brain goes to such weird places.

        • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

          One of my employees once told me: “Your mind is a wild, wondrous and dangerous place.”

  • Patrick

    Don’t care if he believes it – provide proof

  • billbear1961
  • teeveedub

    From the beginning of this so-called administration, Adam Schiff has remained calm, cool, and dignified, all while taking tRump and his gaggle of fraudsters to task. He’s going to emerge from this shitstorm as one of the heroes, and I predict a bright future ahead for him (Democratic candidate for the presidency in 2020 perhaps?).

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

    A good article on the cult of ignorance and the dumbing-down of America, by Ray Williams, Psychology Today. It shows the context that allowed the rise of Trump.

    https://www.sott.net/article/313177-The-cult-of-ignorance-in-the-United-States-Anti-intellectualism-and-the-dumbing-down-of-America

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a120538a1015c0961e34e0d9e2a130cd154d993f41fe33708f93f3921fccf6b1.jpg

    • Great article, thanks for posting the link. Our children were teased at school for discussing science and history at the dinner table. They read science books, and devoured any tv show that was science based or history based. One day our youngest commented that TLC had lost it’s way by airing such shows as “Did Aliens Build the Pyramids?” and such and that was the last time we tuned into any offerings of TLC.

      Japan views religion differently than we do. They don’t believe they are being judged by a sky daddy every single second of every day, nor can their mistakes be wiped clean by him. Religion is for events, festivals, births and deaths, new jobs-houses-cars. It has its place in the fabric of society, but not in an overwhelming way like here. And in Japan the children who don’t excel in school are made fun of and called “yankees” meaning they are lazy and don’t work hard.

      • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

        TLC lost its way when it discovered that pseudo-reality shows featuring the Duggars and their ilk made more money than educational content.

        • Ahh yeah, the lure of the almighty dollar.

    • coram nobis

      Good catch. Some fun facts from your article:

      … public school students. A surprising 77% didn’t know that George Washington was the first President; couldn’t name Thomas Jefferson as the author of the Declaration of Independence; and only 2.8% of the students actually passed the citizenship test. Along similar lines, the Goldwater Institute of Phoenix did the same survey and only 3.5% of students passed the civics test;

      According to the National Research Council report, only 28% of high school science teachers consistently follow the National Research Council guidelines on teaching evolution, and 13% of those teachers explicitly advocate creationism or “intelligent design;”

      18% of Americans still believe that the sun revolves around the earth, according to a Gallup poll …

      … nearly half of Americans between ages 18 and 24 do not think it necessary to know the location of other countries in which important news is being made …

      … more than 40% of Americans under 44 did not read a single book–fiction or nonfiction–over the course of a year.

  • One of the symptoms common in extreme NPD is paranoia. Also, Donald thinks he’s been spied on because that’s what he’s done to the guests in his hotels, including Mar-a-Lago where it was reported he used to listen in on people’s phone conversations.

    The wireteapping claim is this tendency coupled with reading an article from Breitbart, which was put into his Saturday morning news reading pile 8 days ago.

    He reacted to it as many would who are unconscious of ‘confirmation bias.’ He believed in it instantly because it comprised information he wanted to believe.

    That’s his ‘proof.’ And what it means is Donald lacks the capacity to analyze and reason.

  • andrew

    No. Trump is just a compulsive liar. He knows full well that the wiretapping charge is a lie, just like he knew that his charge that Obama was foreign born was a lie. Truth is a foreign concept to Trump.

  • fuzzybits

    Well he does have reason to be paranoid from all the people he’s fucked over all of his life. It’s just another diversion to try to take the heat off of himself. This is the new norm.

  • rednekokie

    It doesn’t matter whether he is deliberately lying, or deliberately believes the BS he throws about. Either way, he is untrustworthy — anything he says (or orders) should be taken with a grain of salt — especially the military. Should they obey his orders without pursuing the truth, we could all be into deep doo doo, and another world war.

    • Gianni

      You hit the bottom line: Crazy or liar doesn’t matter. He acts on what he says whether true or not. The results are the same.

      • rednekokie

        And that gets back to those who claim we should give the guy the benefit of the doubt until he fits into the office.
        You do not give a lunatic the atomic power to kill everyone on the planet in a nuclear war. You only give him very strong skepticism and an extremely strong, short leash. And remove his ability to launch anything without the express approval of the generals.

        • Gianni

          People that think that way must see Donald as still being a child. His mind hasn’t matured to a sufficient level yet. He needs time. He’s 70 years old and the cake is baked. If his mental faculties aren’t where they should be at this age, he should not be sitting in the Oval Office. Nor should those people be voting.

          • rednekokie

            I don’t know how you could prevent those people from voting. However a suitable means of vetting any candidate for that office seems to be in order. Else, it will happen again and again.

          • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

            Give each one of them a case of Natty Ice, a baggie of meth, and a 100 dollar Walmart gift card.

            Democratic landslide guaranteed.

          • rednekokie

            Hmmmm — good idea! Might even work.

          • Gianni

            Well, they can’t be prevented from voting. I was just airing a bit of my insanity. 🙂

  • DN

    Off-topic, but does anyone else see Charles Grodin when they look at Adam Schiff?

    • TuuxKabin

      Lil’ bit yeah. Without the twinkle Charles Grodin shows. My favorite role of his was in the TV spoof of Dallas. Raisin. Carol Burnett, Teri Garr, and him. He’s so funny.

      • DN

        Carol Burnett… Terri Garr….

        END OF DISCUSSION

        There are none greater.

    • Randi Mezzy

      YES!! Thank you, DN.

  • David Walker

    OT: Since he’s currently unemployed and seems a rather tenacious person, why not ask the Democrats to dip into their slush funds and hire former US Attorney Preet Bharara to consider heading up the independent investigation into 45’s corruption and that of his hirelings. For that matter, why not get his agreement and start a GoFundMe campaign? I’m sure many congress critters and 45’s “base” would object lots and lots, but is it illegal for the citizens call for and fund an investigation when congress and the various departments block it?

    Asking for a friend.

    • coram nobis

      It turns out, by the way, that Mr. Bharara had to refuse a phone call from Donald on Thursday, owing to professional rules. Highly irregular for a sitting Prez to call a US Attorney directly, it seems, and Mr. Bharara also dropped a big hint as to why he got the heave-ho.

      All this as asides in a Guardian story about Elizabeth Warren.

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/12/elizabeth-warren-trump-preet-bharara

      Luiz. Heavens, how did he know that?

      Don Alhambra. My young friend, a Grand Inquisitor is always up to date. (To Casilda.) His mother is at present the wife of a highly respectable and old-established brigand, who carries on an extensive practice in the mountains around Córdova. Accompanied by two of my emissaries, he will set off at once for his mother’s address.
      — Gilbert & Sullivan, “The Gondoliers”, on investigative procedure

      • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

        Well if trump was the target of an investigation it may have Been unethical for Bharara to take the call

    • JWC

      How about adding Sally Yeats and Elizabeth Warren to that mix

      • David Walker

        I’m good with Sally Yeats. And while I agree, Senator Warren needs to concentrate on what her less-than-honorable colleagues are up to.

        • JWC

          Let them all concentrate on their prerogatives

    • david fairfield

      100% agree, as usual. Which Democrats want to crawl out from wherever they’re holed up to do this?

  • JCF
  • spacegasp

    Look at the psychotic, bleary-eyed stare…..This Establishment stooge makes me sick…he is such an obedient slave, who will spread the LIE about Russian involvement, while denying that Trump Tower was “tapped” even when classified phone conversations were leaked to the media.