Gold Star Dad Khizr Khan Cancels Toronto Speech After Being Told His Travel Rights Are Under Review

The Week reports:

Gold Star father Khizr Khan has canceled an upcoming speech in Toronto after being told that his “travel privileges are being reviewed,” CTV’s Rosa Hwang reports.

Khan and his wife were born in Pakistan, but Khizr has been an American citizen for more than 30 years. The Khans famously accused President Trump of having “sacrificed nothing and no one” during a speech at the Democratic National Convention last year; their son died in the Iraq War in 2004.

The released statement said that Khan was notified on Sunday about the challenge to his ability to travel to Canada, where he had planned to deliver a speech “about tolerance, understanding, unity, and the rule of law” on March 7.

Pakistan is not one of the six countries named in Trump’s latest travel ban. (Tipped by JMG reader TJ)

  • Carl

    Shameful.

  • Gustav2

    Support our White troops and White Gold Star families.

  • Lazycrockett

    The revenge Presidency. sad.

    • AdamTh

      …or, a “failed, third-rate” presidency

      • McSwagg

        More like 45th rate presidency, IMHO.

  • Lazycrockett

    OMG TCM’s Robert Osborne died today.

    https://twitter.com/tcm/status/838827035095097346

    • bkmn

      RIP

    • Lars Littlefield

      He’d been looking very ill whenever he was on TCM last year, which as about twice? Poor guy. See what happens when you go in for a knee replacement? Not good. RIP.

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        I’m certain being 85 contributed to him looking ill. He was a great film historian.

        • Lars Littlefield

          Some say film historian, I say dishy queen. But a good one, no doubt. 🙂

    • Lakeview Bob

      I am so sad to hear this. He was the best.

    • Mike__in_Houston

      As a long-time fan of TCM, I am very sad to hear this. He and Ben Mankiewicz have been the voice of the network for so long… RIP.

    • JCF

      Fuck you, 2017!

  • Tawreos

    The only government that should be telling him he can’t go to Canada is the Canadian Government.

    • And they wouldn’t.

    • bkmn

      He can go to Canada, it is just Trump’s way of saying he might not get back in the US.

      • Tawreos

        He is a US citizen and there should be no restriction on him to return home.

        • bkmn

          That didn’t stop them during their last travel ban.

          • Randy503

            But Pakistan wasn’t on the list! Not arguing, it’s just that this is getting curiouser and curiouser!

          • clay

            India’s not on the list, either, but look who’s getting shot by the nativists.

          • -M-

            That didn’t matter last time either.

          • Kate

            Neither is Saudi Arabia, where terrorists are actually from. It’s Obama’s list – they excluded countries that the US has significant ties to, that donate enough money, etc.

          • McSwagg

            Obama’s list? You seriously need to provide a citation for that alt-factoid.

          • They excluded countries where Trump has business interests.

          • Kate

            Yes, Obama did, but that has little to do with Trump.

          • Kate

            Yes, it did. Can you point at a single case where a US citizen was denied entry into the US?

          • McSwagg

            This dual American-Australian citizen was denied entry. Try getting the facts before you post your dRumpf propaganda.
            https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/31/dual-citizen-australian-schoolboy-denied-entry-to-us-for-space-camp

          • Kate

            If you’re going to insult me, you should really get the facts straight.

            He was not a “dual American-Australian”. He was a “Dual Australian-Iranian citizen”, which would have been covered under the old pause. It is not covered under the new pause.

            Try getting the facts straight before you post your poorly sourced namecalling.

            Again, can you show me an American citizen denied entry to the United States?

        • McSwagg

          Agreed, but is his wife a citizen? The stories I’ve read haven’t said. Maybe the Regime is threatening to not let her return as a way to get at him. (This is just my speculations.)

      • William

        Then Canada would be forced to deport him back to the US.

    • Rambie

      Even as a natural born citizen, I’d be tempted to apply for asylum in Canada if I were the Khans.

    • kaydenpat

      They’re going to give him a hard time getting back into the U.S. just like Communist dictatorships used to do.

  • TexasBoy

    Tea Party’s view… “Pfffft…30 years a citizen is nothing for an evil plan. Look how long the Muslim plan was from Obama’s Kenyan birth to the Presidency to ruin ‘Merika.”

  • Natty Enquirer

    Told by whom?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      ” them “

  • swimboy

    This will certainly cement Trump’s claim that the travel ban is not about being muslim. /s

  • Chuck in NYC

    Welcome to Putin’s America.

  • bkmn

    Sickening. I guess Khizr Khan is not entitled to freedom of speech.

  • AW

    This is horrible. He’s a citizen and should enjoy ALL the rights and privileges as such. Including freedom of religion and the right to travel. WTF?!!!!

  • Rex

    Whatever the opposite of Make America Great Again is, that’s what Trump’s doing.

    • TheThruster

      He and his lowlife comrades are all the opposite of good. They worship hate. Fuck them all!

      • pch1013

        They are on a mission to transform government: from an entity that makes some people’s lives better some of the time, to one that makes no one’s life better, ever. Except for the 0.0001%.

        • TheThruster

          But they WILL crash and burn. Any day now…

    • William

      We are the Crater of Civilization.

  • Lars Littlefield

    Hold it!!! He’s now a US citizen. A legal US citizen? And somehow the Trump world thinks they can threaten his rights and freedoms by questioning his travel? Sound’s like the beginning of a good law suit. He should still go. And if he’s refused re entry to the USA we start a BIG gofundme account to support him as he lives in Canada and sues the US government. That would be most embarrassing to the GOP.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Doesn’t make sense to me. I would like to see some evidence to back up the claim.

    • Chris Baker

      Right. As a US citizen, he can’t be denied re-entry into the US. If the last Muslim ban was a PR fiasco, imagine what a PR nightmare it would be to ban a US citizen, the father of a soldier, to be denied re-entry.

      And I have been to Toronto. It’s a very nice place in which to be stuck.

      • -M-

        Assuming you’re allowed to stay free in Toronto during the litigation instead of being detained by US customs and border patrol.

        • Kate

          Citizens have right of entry. Even with the expanded pre-clearence powers the Canadian liberals are rolling out, that’s not going to change. The US government doesn’t have the authority to prevent US citizens from leaving the pre-clearance area.

          If he didn’t have a US passport, then the airlines could be prohibited from carrying him to the US. This is how Canada (for example) handles Permanent Residency. I’m a Permanent Resident (and have right of entry here), but the airline can’t fly me to Canada without documentation – a PR card or travel document.

          Even if he somehow lost his Passport, or the airline was prohibited from carrying him, he’d be in the same boat I am – you can always drive to the border. You have right of entry with or without a passport.

          We’re likely to see others not being able to fly in the future – the IRS now has the authority to revoke passports for back taxes. Thanks, Obama!

          • McSwagg

            Khan’s documentation and taxes don’t seem to be at issue in anything I’ve read, so I don’t know why you are spinning this distraction from the central issue. Again, you need to provide a citation for your wild speculations.

          • Kate

            It’s not a distraction – it’s mentioning how a US Citizen can have difficulty traveling to the US, despite having the right of entry and no need for a visa.

            Even in those extremely limited circumstances, a US citizen can still return to the US, and can enter with minimal delay.

          • McSwagg

            Unless you can cite a reference stating he has those problems, it’s nothing but a distraction. All reports indicate he is being targeted either as a Muslim or as retribution for his vocal opposition to Trump during the election. Both are in violation of the law.

          • Kate

            “Unless you can cite a reference stating he has those problems, it’s nothing but a distraction.”

            I never stated he did, so that would be silly. Can you provide a reference that he’s actually having those problems?

            “All reports indicate he is being targeted either as a Muslim”

            And what reports would that be?

          • McSwagg

            “I never stated he did.”

            You just wrote four paragraphs suggesting that those were explanations for his travel restrictions. Now you deny that you made those suggestions. You really should learn to lie better.

          • Kate

            Let’s look at what I wrote, shall we?

            “If he didn’t have a US passport, then the airlines could be prohibited from carrying him to the US.”

            “Even if he somehow lost his Passport, … he’d be”

            These are hypothetical situations – examples that demonstrate a concept. At no point did I state, nor infer, that they were the actual situation with him – in fact, they were used explicitly to demonstrate that even if they were true (which they aren’t), he still would be incorrect, as the situations that lead to difficulty travelling to the country do not prevent one from entering it.

            You might want to re-take remedial English.

          • McSwagg

            My English is fine. Your attempts to distract with irrelevant points that are not in question is the issue. There is no indication that the Khans have any problem with their travel documents or their taxes. If these points are not at issue, why do you trot them out except to try to distract?

          • Kate

            “There is no indication that the Khans have any problem with their travel documents or their taxes.”

            Ok, let me boil this down simply.

            US Citizens have the right to enter the US. Period. If their documents are not in order, it can be difficult to get on a plane. Because the Khans don’t have that problem, they won’t have any issues returning the US.

          • McSwagg

            If there is no problem, then why is there a news story? The reputable media isn’t stupid and wouldn’t publish a baseless story.

      • CJAS

        Thanks for using the phrase “Muslim ban”.

        • Chris Baker

          Technically, it’s “a ban on travelers from Muslim countries where The Trump Organization does not do business.”

          • Kate

            Technically, it’s a “ban on travelers from countries the Obama administration determined were a high risk, minus the ones that the US has significant ties to, or donated enough money to the Clinton Foundation and DNC agents”.

            It was Obama’s list, not Trumps. Would you seriously suggest that Obama made his list based on countries Trump did business with?

          • Chris Baker

            Trump was free to expand the list. but since he does business in some Muslim countries, he didn’t ban some of them. Why would Trump be beholden to anything Obama did, or to countries that donated to the DNC? Pretty convenient. most of the 9-11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. No ban for Saudis because The Trump Organization is trying to make business deals there.

          • McSwagg

            Again, you need to provide a citation that this is Obama’s list. There was no blanket ban under the Obama Administration. Putting quotation marks around something without attribution is an attempt at deception.

          • Kate

            The list of countries was produced by Obama’s DHS under the authority of the “Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015”, which he signed.

            “There was no blanket ban under the Obama Administration.”

            The act led to the creation of a list of countries that were too high-risk to be permitted to visa waiver, as it was impossible to adequately screen them. The Obama administration came up with a list of 7 countries, who were all required to do in-person interviews due to the difficulty in appropriately screening them.

            Trump took that same list and did a temporary pause on immigration from those countries, while the effectiveness of that screening was implemented. His executive order did not create the list, and I would encourage you to read it if you want an official source.

          • McSwagg

            A visa waiver restriction is not the same thing as a blanket travel ban. A visa waiver restriction means that applicants are individually vetted for their risk profile. You have no evidence that the vetting process was inadequate. That is just propaganda ginned up by Trump’s cadre.

          • Kate

            “A visa waiver restriction is not the same thing as a blanket travel ban.”

            It’s a list of risky countries. There’s a reason Trump used the list.

          • Kate

            “You have no evidence that the vetting process was inadequate. ”

            There’s no evidence either way – the whole point of the pause was to evaluate the risk profile, to determine if it was adequate.

          • McSwagg

            There have been no terrorist attacks from travelers from the banned countries. That indicates that the vetting process seems to have worked at weeding out any risky individuals. There is no evidence based rational that the vetting process was inadequate.

          • Kate

            “There have been no terrorist attacks from travelers from the banned countries.”

            There were no terrorist attacks from Saudi Arabia on US soil, either, until they were.

            You’re assuming that terrorists would engage in attacks immediately, rather than working towards a longer-term plot. As we’ve seen in European attacks (such as some of the ones in France), it takes a significant amount of resources and logistical support in an area before attacks are carried out.

            A lone terrorist would have a hard time doing nearly as much damage. It’s far more effective to sneak in more people over time, and build up to more damaging, more effective attacks.

            “There is no evidence based rational[sic] that the vetting process was inadequate.”

            Obama’s administration felt they were risky enough to be banned from Visa Waiver. That makes it worth taking the time to ensure that people aren’t slipping through the cracks. A pause gives time to look back after the fact to really do some in-depth screening and look at long term outcomes.

      • Lars Littlefield

        I like Toronto, but I’d rather be stuck in Van Couver. I’m accustomed to the Pacific seafood and the powder skiing. But find me a hunky blakc-haired Jaques with green eyes in Quebec City and I’d be happy there bundeled up under the quilts. 🙂

    • Timothy W.

      It’s much more likely that he’d be unable to leave than return.

      • Lars Littlefield

        A hah! A political prisoner!

    • kaydenpat

      I agree with you. He should challenge this travel restriction which is clearly illegal. I suppose he may just not want to be bothered.

      • Kate

        He’s not being restricted. Citizens have right of entry.

        • McSwagg

          How do you know he’s not being restricted? Why is this all over the news if it’s not happening?

          • Kate

            “Why is this all over the news if it’s not happening?”

            The same reason that Trump’s crime “stats” were. People repost things that line up with their preconceptions.

          • McSwagg

            I’m not talking about people reposting or retweeting. I’m referring to actual stories published by reputable news media. You can’t simply label this as fake news because you don’t like it.

          • Kate

            Where’s the evidence for this story, that isn’t people reposting or tweeting?

            “You can’t simply label this as fake news because you don’t like it.”

            I don’t. I label it as fake news because a lot of history and legal authority has proven time and time again that there is an absolute right of entry for Citizens.

            Sheesh – just look at what happened with the last court order. It was put on hold in part because of the issues with keeping green card holders out. It would be impossible to keep out Citizens. The courts would never let it stand.

          • McSwagg

            “Where’s the evidence for this story, that isn’t people reposting or tweeting?”

            So you’re saying major news media publish stories that aren’t fact checked? You seem to mix up social media with legitimate news sources.

            Once again, this story is in the news because it indicates that the Khans are being restrict in spite of the law. If the law was being followed, there would be no story. Pull you head out of the sand.

          • Kate

            A few news organizations are reporting what he has claimed. That’s playing telephone, not hard-hitting journalism. It’s not evidence, particularly when those claims are contrary to history, or law.

          • McSwagg

            Again, you are claiming that major news media are publishing rumors when they don’t have a history of that kind of reporting. Perhaps you think all media makes up stories like your favorite alt-right sources.

    • Kate

      “And somehow the Trump world thinks they can threaten his rights and freedoms by questioning his travel? ”

      They aren’t.

      US Citizens aren’t affected. The order won’t take place for 10 days, and it explicitly exempts all dual citizens who hold any citizenship outside the 6 named countries.

      He’s looking for attention – he’s not having his “travel rights” affected. There’d be no way to enforce it anyway – US citizens don’t need a visa, so they can’t deny him one. CBP can’t turn away a citizen under any circumstances (and they get in a lot of trouble if they try to).

      It’s a non-confirmed non-issue.

      • McSwagg

        Bullshit. See my response to you regarding the American born JPL scientist detained at the airport under the previous incarnation of this ban.

        • Kate

          So, someone was detained for refusing to unlock their phone. That happens all the time (in the US and Canada), and is different from being prevented from entering.

          So, CBP thought it was weird and wanted to search his phone. He refused, and as we generally see with border security, refusing to cooperate (whether or not cooperation is legally required) leads to delays.

          That had nothing to do with Trump’s 90 day pause on immigration from high-risk countries.

          • McSwagg

            Except for the fact that he has an Arabic sounding name. He was profiled and targeted as a possible Muslim for additional scrutiny. He had never been targeted before the Muslim ban EO was rushed into effect.

          • Kate

            “Except for the fact that he has an Arabic sounding name. ”

            Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Even if Trump’s order didn’t explicitly exclude him, the law which grants Trump the authority to exclude any group of aliens he deems appropriate only applies to aliens. Citizens are not aliens, therefore the President couldn’t pass that order even if he wanted to.

          • McSwagg

            And yet, he was detained even though he is a natural born citizen returning from a trip to South America, which isn’t anywhere near the banned countries. He should have had zero problems re-entering the country under those circumstances.

          • Kate

            “he was detained”

            Yes. That’s what happens when CBP wants to search your phone, and you don’t consent. That’s what happened before Trump, that’s what happened after Trump.

            That’s not denied entry, that’s held up for a bit while CBP does their job of screening goods entering the country.

            “which isn’t anywhere near the banned countries”

            Exactly! This happens daily, all over the country, and did during Obama’s tenure. I’ve been delayed at the border while they deal with customs, and immigration. It happens, and it had nothing to do with the order, which as you said didn’t even mention those countries.

            “He should have had zero problems re-entering the country under those circumstances.”

            I’m going to let you in on two secrets.

            The first is that the border patrol selects people based on a variety of factors. Some of it is random, some of it is based on intelligence, some of it is based on profiling (past experience). Anyone can get a random check, and there are days where they search 100% of people going through (smaller) checkpoints. Being selected means nothing.

            The second secret is that there is an easy to guarantee a 100% chance of a bad time at the border. Just mouth off to a officer, or cop an attitude, and you are guaranteed to add at least a few extra hours to your trip.

            It could be the former, but it was probably the latter reason.

          • McSwagg

            Your “secrets” are not secrets to me. I’ve been through customs enough to know how to act. Yet I’ve never had any delay or problem or even been searched beyond the “food sniffing dog”. Maybe I’m just “lucky” or have an “innocent look” about me. Or maybe I just don’t fit the profile they’re looking for.

      • Lars Littlefield

        Tell that to Trump.

        • Kate

          No need. Trump’s executive order literally excludes people like him.

    • JCF

      Muhammad Ali’s son (American, of course) got detained at the airport (returning from *Jamaica*, not Syria!) for several hours.

  • yeruncle

    I can’t remember any administration being so vengeful to a Gold Star family before because it’s never happened before. Trump is repulsive.

    • TheThruster

      He is vile! Noone has ever been as vile as him! Everybody is saying it! Good, smartsy people!

      • yeruncle

        No president has ever been as orange as Mango Mussolini either.

    • Lars Littlefield

      People keep taking offense when I label Trump what he is: an asshole. He truly is the worst person to assume the presidency. He needs to be pushed out ASAP!

      • Kate

        “He needs to be pushed out ASAP!”

        That’s a rather dangerous precedent, and one the dems would be smart not to start.

        Congress is controlled by the Republicans, and that’s not going to change any time soon (particularly with gerrymandering). Congress pretty much gets to decide what is impeachable.

        Do you really want a world where when the Dems win the presidency, the republicans just impeach in a few years?

        The term of the president is 4 years, and the people and the states elected him not for his government experience, but despite it. That is their right, and he is the legitimate president of the country.

        The right didn’t try to remove Obama – they followed the law and obstructed him.

        • McSwagg

          I guess you missed all the reports about the Republican’s who vowed to begin impeachment proceedings against Hillary Clinton on Day 1 if she won.

          The evidence is mounting against Trump. Eventually, even the Republicans will have to take action against him.

          • Kate

            “I guess you missed all the reports about the Republican’s who vowed to begin impeachment proceedings against Hillary Clinton on Day 1 if she won.”

            That would be a bad precedent, too.

            “The evidence is mounting against Trump.”

            What evidence? That Russia happens to prefer him? That’s not illegal. That countries are trying to curry favour? Again, not illegal.

            “even the Republicans will have to take action against him.”

            Why? He’s willing to give them most of their platform. Congress’s approval rating is in the toilet, so they have no particular need to impeach him, no matter how much liberals want them to.

          • McSwagg

            So you’re happy that the Russians are setting our Foreign Policy? When the Russian complicity comes to light, the Republicans will have no choice but to distance themselves from Trump and his cadre or be tarnished with his deceit.

          • Kate

            “So you’re happy that the Russians are setting our Foreign Policy?”

            No. I’m happy with a non-interventionist approach to foreign policy, and the Russians happen to prefer that too.

            “When the Russian complicity comes to light”

            It’s not complicity – it’s alignment of interests. It’s not against the law to be favoured by foreign government – just ask any US-backed coup attempt.

            Putin would prefer Trump to Hillary. That’s not shocking – I would too, and I have never been to Russia.

          • McSwagg

            So you advocate we abandon our commitments to other countries just so we can cozy up to Putin and his merry band of oligarchs? With friends like you, who needs enemies.

          • Kate

            “So you advocate we abandon our commitments to other countries ”

            Ideally, we avoid making them in the first place, but yes, the US should not be playing world police.

            “cozy up to Putin and his merry band of oligarchs”

            Not at all. The US should focus on US Citizens, and not try to police the world. As a tyrant who wants to reunite the USSR, Putin would also prefer that, but that’s not the US’s problem.

          • McSwagg

            “As a tyrant who wants to reunite the USSR, Putin would also prefer that, but that’s not the US’s problem”

            Were you even alive during the Cold War? Russia would like nothing less than to completely dominate Europe and many other areas of the world. Isolationism on the part of the US would eventually be our downfall. But it seems you would be OK with that eventuality.

          • Kate

            “Were you even alive during the Cold War? Russia would like nothing less than to completely dominate Europe and many other areas of the world.”

            Not our problem. If the EU wishes to work together for mutual defence, they should. It’s not our job to do so.

          • McSwagg

            “Not our problem. If the EU wishes to work together for mutual defence[sic], they should. It’s not our job to do so.”

            So we should just abandon NATO? You see no American interest in an alliance to maintain a free Europe? You are completely naive.

        • Lars Littlefield

          “Do you really want a world where when the Dems win the presidency, the republicans just impeach in a few years?”

          Ha, ha, ha. You so funneee. What country were you living in from 1993 to 2001? The Republicans already did that. You so funneee!

    • Kate

      It’s not happening.

      • McSwagg

        So all the news stories are false? How do you know this?

        • medaka

          She doesn’t. She’s a troll and a gun-nut.

        • Kate

          “all the news stories are false?”

          This particular one is.

          “How do you know this?”

          Because as a Mexican who has crossed the border literally over a thousand times, I have the experience to know that any article claiming that a Citizen is being denied entry is false.

          You may be arrested. Your passport could be taken, or refused to be renewed. That doesn’t change your right to travel – in or out, if you are a US citizen.

          • McSwagg

            Your experience doesn’t negate the story being reported by the Khans. Just because you haven’t had a problem doesn’t mean he won’t.

          • Kate

            “Your experience doesn’t negate the story being reported by the Khans.”

            The law does. The executive order (which won’t take effect for 10 days, so plenty of time for everyone to read it) excludes all US Citizens.

            There is plenty of caselaw on the absolute right of Citizens to enter the country.

            https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/home.pdf

          • McSwagg

            The entire point of the story is that the law is being disregarded. That’s why it’s big news. But I guess you missed that point.

          • Kate

            The entire point of the rumour, sure. From an evidence-based standpoint, there is no “travel privilege” that can be analyzed in the first place, and no practical matter to do anything more than detain him for a few hours at the border.

            To keep him from traveling to Canada, they would have to arrest him or issue a warrant for his arrest. Canada’s not going to do anything, and he can enter regardless of any Executive Order to the contrary.

          • McSwagg

            So major news media are now in the business of publishing rumors? Maybe the media you frequent do that, but I prefer to get my news from more professional organizations that can be trusted to verify a story before they publish.

          • Kate

            “So major news media are now in the business of publishing rumors?”

            Yep. Weren’t you paying attention the past decade or so?

          • McSwagg

            I am at a complete loss as to what you are referring to unless you are using Brietbart and FOX as your standards of proof. Though that would explain your point of view.

  • Anybody who thinks there hasn’t already been an unofficial, unannounced travel ban in place targeting Muslims in general — whether visitor, legal resident, or even U.S. citizen — hasn’t been paying attention.

    Just a couple weeks ago, a British national traveling with his class of schoolkids was turned away. He was detained for no reason other than having a ME-sounding name and then refused entry because he was a Muslim.

    The concrete of fascism is beginning to set.

    • Dazzer

      I’m British, but I was born in the Middle East to ex-pat parents. There is absolutely no way I would consider travelling to the USA these days.

      Simply because I have an Arabic place of birth, I’m certain I would face trouble at airport security. Travelling to the US just isn’t worth it these days.

      • Lars Littlefield

        Yes. It is best to avoid any travel to the land of the brave and the free, indefinitely. Conversely, imagine how much I’m looking forward to need a visa in hand prior to traveling to Italy, Spain, Portugal and France this summer. Welcome to Europe, 1950.

        • Mark

          hell, the way things are going, youll need papers just to travel to Paris or Athens – texas.

          The sonofabitch has to to be stopped. N.O.W.

    • kaydenpat

      Chilling.

    • Acronym Jim

      And let’s not forget that freakin’ MUHAMMED ALI, JR. was detained for several hours because of his name.

  • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

    “Anybody But Hillary”, huh? “Bernie or Bust”, right? You got the nightmare you prayed for.

    • Tomcat

      At least they have the best chance of a long life under the results of Trump.
      Enjoy it children.

      • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

        Sure. Instead of having a cushy seat at the Hillary table hashing out their progressive agenda to move things forward, these “children” of which you speak will have a Supreme Court damning them for decades. Everything these children claimed to hold dear from single payer health insurance to environmental protection and everything else will now be in the toilet because Anybody But Hillary meant Trump.

    • kaydenpat

      I have a feeling those Bernie Bros aren’t suffering the consequences of a Trump presidency as much as Brown/Black/Muslim citizens are.

      • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

        That’s the point. How many of us on this page begged, pleaded and cajoled these Bernie or Busters and get back feedback from them that they could have cared less. Well they SHOULD have cared…or their whole campaign was bogus.

    • justmeeeee

      Yes, the pity is that with a fair and free primary process we would now be enjoying the benefits of life under President Sanders. Thanks, Hill-bots!

      • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

        Sorry, but the primary rules were written BEFORE the primaries and caucuses were held to everybody’s agreement. That’s besides the point. Given the fickleness of the American voter I highly doubt that Sanders could have withstood the scrutiny of his salacious school papers and his glorifying of the Castro revolution. No, friend, the seat at the table that Sander’s supporters could have had with a President Clinton would have been cushy. Yeah, you might have had to suck up some for a term or two with Hillary but it would have been FAR better to have her ear than what you wound up with today. Sharing memes about Hillary Clinton that were straight out of right wing talking points by Sander’s supporters certainly wasn’t the only thing that cost her the election. But considering the skimpy couple if thousands of votes that cost her the rust belt states the Sander’s voters surly had an impact. Accept responsibility. Period. And know that now you’ll be wandering aimlessly in the political wilderness for decades once Trump has his Supreme Court.

        • justmeeeee

          Was the cheating written into the rulz also? Was queen Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz annointed by those rules? Was Hillary’s arrogance deemed not to be permitted as a factor by those rulz? Oh, please, Mary, get a grip.

          • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

            Considering that politics is sausage making, remember this. Only one political party saw the sausages being made in public. You never saw the Republican sausage making. Gee. I wonder how THAT happened. Enjoy President Trump. You helped deliver him.

          • justmeeeee

            Me and your girl Hillary, yep.

          • Kate

            “Gee. I wonder how THAT happened.”

            The Republicans had a better antivirus, and didn’t have John Podesta picking stupid passwords and emailing them around.

          • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

            You missed my point. The Republicans were hacked, too. I was sarcastic in my remark. The Russians released the Dem hacks….and not the Republican ones. We’re trying to find out why, remember?

    • ultragreen

      If the Democrats don’t want to lose elections, then they need to find and select better candidates. Playing the blame game will accomplish nothing.

      • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

        Hillary Clinton was probably the most “qualified” candidate ever…unless you bought into fake right wing talking points. “Anybody But Hillary” fools were duped.

        • Kate

          “probably the most “qualified” candidate ever”

          When trust in the government is that low, the most “qualified” candidate is entirely the wrong one. A platform of “4 more years” won’t get you far when the people are fed up with business as usual.

          • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

            Turns out for most Americans business as usual wasn’t really so bad. Remember. It’s not that I question the validity of our election. Trump won. But Hillary got almost 3 MILLION more votes. After 5 weeks of Trump? Nah, this wasn’t the change most people voted for.

    • Kate

      “You got the nightmare you prayed for.”

      So far, he’s doing what we elected him to do. A nice change for a politician. He’s far from a nightmare – he’s an honest politician.

      • medaka

        He is neither honest nor a politician.

      • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

        3 million more votes for Hillary wasn’t exactly a mandate for Trump to scrap environment protections abd roll back regulations on corporations that helped destroy our economy a few years ago. The list is long for what most Americans would prefer. Now they’re going to roll back overtime pay rules. And Obamacare? Wait until Republican governors start screaming about what’s going to happen to the health care of their constituents who’ve never had insurance before. Sorry. America will not get with this program. Watch for 2018. Folks that used to sit out midterm elections will not after this.

        • Kate

          “3 million more votes for Hillary wasn’t exactly a mandate for Trump to scrap environment protections”

          What does 3 million votes have to do with anything? Trump won 57% of the electoral college, and 66% of the states. Since the states elect the President, that’s what matters.

          What he has is a mandate to improve jobs. He’s working on it.

          • McSwagg

            Is that why there is no jobs bill yet in the Congress?

          • Kate

            I’m sorry, I missed the part where we elected Dictator Trump to ignore the separation of powers and start passing legislation directly.

            I know after 8 years of Obama that might be how people expect things to get done, but if you look at Trump’s orders, they are generally things that congress specifically delegated to him (immigration ban), or affecting the enforcement of existing laws, under the authority of the Executive office.

            We had a president who tried to ram bills through congress. One of them was ObamaCare, which led to my small business shutting down.

          • McSwagg

            Presidents usually send proposals to Congress in support of their agendas. It’s been done by both Democrats and Republicans. That is not an usurpation of Congress’s power as Congress is free to consider the proposals or not.

            Regarding the ACA, it was passed by a majority in both houses. That’s how Congress works, A majority is not “ramming it through” despite your objections. The fact your business failed is on you, not on Obama. There was no mandate that your business offer insurance to your employees. You claim to be the party of personal responsibility, yet you want to blame everything on Obama and the Clintons.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Just checked a map ; America no longer there.

  • Rex

    Selfish, narcissistic assholes like to take revenge.
    I’m completely ashamed of our country right now.

    • JWC

      its a sideways bonus to Canada as all these hi tech Brilliant people are denied entry into the US they come to Canada where we have most of the same opportunities Trump is NOT doing thehomeland any favors

  • Randy Ellicott

    The husband is going to New Mexico next week to visit family and i am a little concerned about him making it there and back… He is a citizen but he is brown… smgdmfh

    • Lars Littlefield

      They’ve built a giant wall around Albuquerque. The military has taken over the airport. And interment camps are springing up like desert wildflowers on the out skirts of Santa Fe.

      • Ray Taylor

        I assume that’s /s. I meant the Wall. Camps I believe.

    • MaryJOGrady

      Where in New Mexico?
      Albuquerque and Santa Fe are standing strong for all their residents, citizens, documented immigrants, and the undocumented. (I am proud to live in Albuquerque.)

      • Randy Ellicott

        Socorro actually, though we met in ABQ, and had our wedding at the Chapel De Guadalupe in old town… Not so worried about when he is there, just the traveling…

    • clay

      then he should just stay in the US.

      😉

      • Randy Ellicott

        You sir must know about the land of entrapment!! swear to god i had a Post Office clerk argue with me for 10 mins that i needed international shipping on a box of x-mas presents!! though my favorite time was when the Hollywood video (i know dates me) clerk wouldn’t take my driver license to start a new account because they dont take international drivers licences… While staring at the card that said State of New Mexico and valid as USA government issued id on the back….

  • hdtex
    • Tomcat

      This is the New Winning America Flag.

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      We are America. We love trumpie and Jeebus. Fuck your feelings.
      — Dan and Dee Plorable https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da3785c47d8888dce74c348c1bfa04be0b1e1b80022323ce10c4f3986c479ac4.jpg

      • Jon

        I want to see their smiles when ACA goes away 😀

        • William

          They love the ACA, it’s Obamacare they want repealed.

      • CottonBlimp

        These are the exact people whose feelings we keep getting told we need to sympathize with.

        Lord.

      • Prixator

        Why is the person on the right’s neck trying to swallow their chin? Is that a medical condition that I’ve never heard about?

        • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

          Hopefully a soon-to-be uninsured medical condition

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Lars Littlefield

      Him not smart.

      • MaryJOGrady

        A medical/surgical education can cater to intellectual tunnel vision, not to mention ignorance of the entire universe outside one’s own specialty.

        • Lars Littlefield

          In my experience, that’s exactly what a medical education often does.

          • My teabagger congressman is an MD. So yeah there are a lot of examples of that.

          • NancyP

            One does recover after finishing residency. And he should have had some American history during K-12.

          • NancyP

            What I am saying is – there’s no excuse for his ignorance. Many later-career doctors read widely.

          • Lars Littlefield

            You shoul meet my current GP. He thinks “irregardless” is correct English.

          • olandp

            You need a new GP.

          • Lars Littlefield

            No shit. 🙂

        • gaymex1

          I wonder what his classmates would have to say about him?

          • MaryJOGrady

            I have known some brilliant and humane neurosurgeons. I wonder how they feel about him.

          • gaymex1

            As have I. He’s an embarrassment to the field…and to humanity.

      • kaydenpat

        Yet was a renowned surgeon. Strange.

        • Jeffrey

          Ive never spoken to one of his patients, so I dunno.

        • Lars Littlefield

          I suspect he’s simple example of Being There for the medical professions.

    • hdtex

      I guess he thought the Jews wanted to go to Auschwitz for the total spa experience. Moron

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Fenced resorts

        • The_Wretched

          Free train rides!

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            They were crowded because they were popular… duh !

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      • RNegron

        Who would not risk a little gassing for that degree of weight loss?

      • Tomcat

        I bet they were standing in line for the lampshades.

        • Tomcat

          At least I am sure some had some skin in them.

      • Todd20036

        Jews like to be baked at a nice warm 350 degrees for 45 minutes.
        MMMMM. That’s good Jew!!

        • SunsetGay

          At least it’s Kosher

      • Paula

        Don’t forget the refreshing showers.

        • J Ascher

          And toasty tanning beds!

      • Robincho

        The American “spa experience” for slaves included some creative skin-peel “treatments”…

      • juanjo54

        We were told it was an exclusive resort.

    • The_Wretched

      We have evidence of the slave transporting ships. No one travels chained as close as possible together by choice and US plantation life wasn’t even remotely ‘prosperity and happiness’. Did he miss the whole slavery thing? I should take a beak, this is unreal.

    • Blake Mason

      Did we expect anything less from him?

      • RNegron

        Actually I do expect a lot less. with this crew there is no bottom to the barrel.

        • Xiao Ai

          I’d say don’t worry, they’ll get there. But, for some unknown reason they keep finding new depths.

      • Todd20036

        I think we can always expect less from him

      • kaydenpat

        No and it’s scary how low he will go.

    • Tomcat

      So not we will go bring in immigrants in chains to work our fields. Nice.

      • clay

        increased deportation seizures means increased holdings in private prisons, which use them as slave labor (since they’re not citizens and the GOP is leaning to denying all Constitutional protections to non-citizens).

    • Surprising as it might seem, there really are ‘slavery denialists’ on the far, far right, especially among the extremely ignorant.

    • Gustav2

      Fug,

    • clay

      Betsy DeVos, take II

    • Robert Anthony

      Wow. The brain surgeon who gave himself a lobotomy.

    • kaydenpat

      Hmmmm? This isn’t even funny anymore.

    • RobynWatts

      Thanks for your two cents, Uncle Ruckus. Too bad that you still come up mentality short in making any sense with your statements.

    • BobSF_94117

      On the bright side, finally a Trump cabinet member who’s in favor of immigration…

    • Ninja0980

      The stupid burns brightly with him.

    • amati1684

      I suspect the most that slaves could dream or hope for was to live through another day. I’m certain no Africans ever crawled out of a ship’s dark hold with the goal of picking 500 lbs of cotton a day, though there were those who achieved that. Dr Carson should be made to read “The Half Has Never Been Told.” Perhaps he would then be forced to hang his head in shame over that incoherent and patently stupid speech.

    • Paul

      “Hey kids, even if you have the critical thinking skills of a tree you too could be a successful brain surgeon.”

  • TimCA

    This is actually very frightening. It appears, at least certainly on the surface, to be an attempt to politically silence the administration’s opponents. I’m looking forward to more info as this scary situation develops.

    • LaChatSayWha

      It seems like straight up political persecution. Autocracy is us.

    • kaydenpat

      It’s frightening because the Trump regime keeps showing its fascist hand. I just finished “It Couldn’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis and it feels as if we may be moving in that direction — unless the majority commits to resisting these unconstitutional acts.

      Democrats should be screaming their heads off about this latest Trump outrage.

    • thom

      Let’s not get too excited about this (yet)
      Lots of red flags in this story

      • TimCA

        That’s why I couched my statement so carefully. Unfortunately given what is in the White House nothing can be discounted nowadays which just adds to my fear. As I wrote before, I look forward to more information.

    • Kate

      “It appears, at least certainly on the surface, to be an attempt to politically silence the administration’s opponents.”

      No, it’s more made up fake news. Citizens can’t be turned around at the border. I’ve tried, and it’s a shitstorm when it happens.

      I’m a US Citizen, and tried to flagpole – being denied entry so that you’ve technically “left” Canada for paperwork reasons. They started to do it, then the supervisor found out I was a Citizen, and proceeded to rip the agent a new one. They can’t ever, under any circumstances, deny entry to a US citizen. Documentation or not, you have right of entry.

      • TimCA

        Oh joy, you’re back lol.
        Is this what, you’re 3rd or 4th profile? How long will we have the pleasure of your company this time?

        As Thom has posted up thread, Mr. Khan is for the moment issuing no further comment about the situation. Hopefully we’ll get more info, or not, later.

        Speaking of making assertions and then going silent, I wonder when your man Trump will put out some evidence about the libelous and unsubstantiated claim he made against Obama and the phone tapping of Trump Tower? At least Khan isn’t going around recklessly accusing the former President of wanton criminality. Any regrets yet for the destructive sociopath you support? Or is this all just another day in the institutional shakeup you wanted to bring on?

        • Kate

          “I wonder when your man Trump will put out some evidence about the libelous and unsubstantiated claim he made against Obama and the phone tapping of Trump Tower”

          You can thank the right-wing New York Times for some of the allegations:

          https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html

          “WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.”

          “One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.”

          • TimCA

            This doesn’t support Trump’s claim however. Trump Tweeted that Obama tapped Trump Tower. The administration denies that and the orange liar provides nothing to substantiate his assertion. “provided to the White House” does not equate to initiated by the White House. I’m sorry your man is under investigation but there are several agencies capable of starting this independent of Obama.

            I’ll just chalk it up as just another one of Trump’s many falsehoods until proven otherwise.

          • Kate

            “This doesn’t support Trump’s claim however. Trump Tweeted that Obama tapped Trump Tower. ”

            Suppose, for the sake of argument, Trump tower was wiretapped, under FISA’s authority.

            Trump would have access to that intel. You, I, and the press, would not.

        • medaka

          It looks like McSwagg, Stuart and a few others have decided to battle the crazy lady, but most folks here have probably already blocked her new incarnation. She’ll go away soon, but probably come back again with yet another profile when she gets a new bug in her butt.

          • McSwagg

            Yeah, I gave up. She’s a “true believer” of the alt-right media machine. I thought I had blocked her also. Didn’t realize she just made a new profile. Well, she’s blocked again.

  • Ernest Endevor

    If he’s a citizen he’s a fucking citizen and has all the rights of a citizen.

    • William

      The Patriot Act changed that.

      • CJAS

        That was never true.

      • kaydenpat

        I wasn’t aware of that. Wow.

  • JWC

    Several groups of school kids who travel to the USA on spring break etc have cancelled as one or two of the group have unacceptable (Trumps travel ban) documents Taking the attitutude if one then all

    • gaymex1

      Trump doesn’t give a fuck. They weren’t staying at one of his hotels.

      • JWC

        apparently few are the “TRUMP BRAND’ is an unpopular brand

        • gaymex1

          For that I am thankful.

          • JWC

            he just openeda Trump Tower in Vancouver even sent 3 of his kids got little recognition Not one politician showed up

          • gaymex1

            No doubt he will now say that political opposition has ruined his business..Obama and Clinton made people afraid to register because their names and credit card numbers would be made public. Rigged.

          • JWC

            he won’t need it in prison

  • DesertSun59

    This is tyranny.

    We are right in the midst of it.

    • Kate

      This is fake news. Citizens have the right of entry. Period. Full stop.

  • The_Wretched

    How disgusting and a travesty. This is a clear case of overreach and intentional intimidation. This is the proper subject of a congressional investigation.

  • Leo

    Being reviewed? Excuse me? Reviewed by who? Border control? Homeland Security? ICE? Maybe I’m a little slow but this can’t be legal. What?

    • thom

      I don’t buy the reports.
      Your questions are valid, no one is clearing this up

    • ultragreen

      It’s possible. If an airline discovers that your name has been placed on the Federal government’s ‘No Fly List’ then they won’t allow you to board an airplane. It doesn’t matter whether or not you are a U.S. citizen. He could have been informed by the airline or some branch of the government that he is under review for being placed on the ‘No Fly List’ and so he decided to cancel his trip rather than risk being stranded in Canada.

  • BillTheCat45

    Nixon was nothing compared to Trump. This administration is a criminal seditious cabal of liars and crooks.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      At least Nixon could spell

      • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

        Nixon did not sell us out to the Russians, either.

    • Dale Snyder

      Nixon actually loved his job, loved the country and did a lot of good geopolitically as well as creating the EPA, among other things. He will no longer be known as the center of America’s “national nightmare.”

  • jefe5084
  • Robin Bailey

    Which agency or office would be responsible for telling him this?

  • TexasBoy

    Probably informed by the people really in charge of the USA….the Russian Federation.

  • Leo

    The transgender teen ruling, new travel ban, and wiretap freak-out need to be shoved to the side of the desk. THIS NEEDS TO BE EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW.

    The implications of this are STAGGERING.

  • billbear1961

    He’s an American CITIZEN!

    They won’t let HIM travel to talk about TOLERANCE, but they’ll let a piece of SHIT like Brian Brown or Scott Lively travel abroad to preach HATRED!!

    Trump got into a lot of trouble the last time he picked a fight with this Gold Star father, and I hope this blows up in his face BIG TIME–AGAIN!!

    • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

      Trump got into trouble? last I looked Trump is POTUS. Something about Bernie or Bust OR Anybody But Hillary.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    The Trump administration clearly wants to bankrupt the ACLU. How many articles of the Constitution does this violate?

    Maybe Trump won’t be impeached, maybe we will have a military coup. How much more shit does Trumphole think he can dump on families who gave the lives of loved ones for their country

    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a4ef635b8a70d3e5b42cd43508f4bc3b47c897f9f450ce1307f2f6136b935c1c.jpg

    • TexasBoy

      I like Justice Kagan’s facial expression…like…What the fuck is he saying?

      • Skokieguy [Larry]

        The military leaders were none too amused either.

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      I have changed my ACLU contributions to monthly.

  • Jeff Chang

    Who was he notified by?

    • The_Wretched

      I want the video.

    • McSwagg

      You know, I’ve never seen Russians so eager to stand up for an American politician as they are for dRumpf. It’s really a new phenomenon.

  • Henry Auvil

    Clearly they’re on trump’s enemies list. I wonder if Rosie O’Donnell has tried to travel abroad lately.

  • Reality.Bites

    OT but related: The Trump Hotel in Toronto was up for sale.

    It attracted no bids above the $350 million set at the floor space by the creditor, who now takes possession.

    https://www.thestar.com/business/2017/03/06/no-bidders-make-offers-on-torontos-trump-tower.html

    • TexasBoy

      So how many bankruptcies is that now for Trump branded properties?

      • Reality.Bites

        How many Trump branded properties are there?

    • clay

      So much for his feel-good Vancouver.

  • billbear1961

    This is the political revenge of a goddamned TYRANT!!

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Joe’s having a busy day, so I will drop this O/T but chilling info here:

    Russian hackers are targeting U.S. progressive groups in a new wave of attacks, scouring the organizations’ emails for embarrassing details and attempting to extract hush money, according to two people familiar with probes being conducted by the FBI and private security firms. At least a dozen groups have faced extortion attempts since the U.S. presidential election, said the people, who provided broad outlines of the campaign. The ransom demands are accompanied by samples of sensitive data in the hackers’ possession.

    In one case, a non-profit group and a prominent liberal donor discussed how to use grant money to cover some costs for anti-Trump protesters. The identities were not disclosed, and it’s unclear if the protesters were paid. At least some groups have paid the ransoms even though there is little guarantee the documents won’t be made public anyway. Demands have ranged from about $30,000 to $150,000, payable in untraceable bitcoins, according to one of the people familiar with the probe.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-06/russian-hackers-said-to-seek-hush-money-from-liberal-u-s-groups

    • The_Wretched

      I see putin is still serving trump’s interests or that they coincide.

      • McSwagg

        More like Putin is serving his own interests by protecting his investments.

  • gaymex1

    He should not change his plans. This is outrageous.

    • Bad Tom

      It is easy for us to be brave.

      • gaymex1

        That’s true…much easier said than done, but many people would have his back. It’s also a lot easier to take a political action in a group…lonely when you’re by yourself.
        Done both and alone is much more intimidating.

  • thom

    PLEASE don’t spread this story. It’s almost certainly not true. At least wait for more (legit) sources and confirmation.

    • Leo

      How do you know it isn’t true? Something this explosive is spreading with or without our *help*. Rosa Hwang said Khizr won’t give further comment. Quite frankly given the likely threats he’s getting I don’t blame him. What he needs is security detail and a good lawyer.

      • thom

        I don’t know it isn’t true. I’m urging caution.

    • BillTheCat45

      Excuse me? You have some bit of info to refute this? The event is cancelled on the website.

      • thom

        Yes, it’s cancelled. But sounds dodgy. The organizer is the only one who has announced anything. And it’s worded strangely. There is no such thing as “travel privilege”
        Khan is giving no comments at all. No major media who does strong sourcing has picked this up.

        • Politico has.

          • thom

            Ok, but they are confirming that an events organizer told them about it. They don’t have independent sources telling them that there is an actual restriction. so far everything is based on khan supposedly telling the organizer that this happened. but no confirmation from khan or the government or anybody else severything is based on con supposedly telling the organizer that this happened but no confirmation from Khan or the government or anybody else

          • Bad Tom

            Who but the organizer would know why they canceled the event? C’mon.

          • thom

            He knows why Khan told him he couldn’t come.
            It’s second-hand knowledge that should have had more sources and more confirmation before being published

          • Bad Tom

            Did you look at the coverage yourself? Kahn did make a statement. He said he wasn’t told why. CTV quotes him directly.

            Why can’t you believe Mr. Khan? I find it baffling that you would think he would lie.

          • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

            This is what Politico says:

            “But Khan was told late Sunday that his traveling privileges were under review, according to Ramsay Talks, which organized the luncheon.”

            UNDER REVIEW BY WHO?!?! That is the gravamen of our concern. What department of government is involved?

            Who said what to Khan? That is not reported anywhere.

        • Reality.Bites

          CTV is not only major media, it is THE major media in Canada, part of Bell Media, who operate a large number of conventional TV and Radio stations, an all-news channel, a business news channel, and many others.

          Their weekly newsmagazine W5 predates 60 Minutes, and its anchor, Lloyd Robertson, started anchoring the nightly news on the CBC back in 1970.

          No news organization is infallible, but CTV is entitled to the same inherent presumed credibility as CBS or NBC.

          • thom

            Thanks for the info.
            CTV is major media indeed, i stand corrected.
            I still question their independent fact checking on this story.
            ANY sources other than one event organizer who passed along a claim not being made by himself?

    • Sorry, but it’s been confirmed at least four times now.

      https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/838842721326465024

      • And if that’s not enough, here’s more:
        https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/838843322735161344

        Eichenwald is a professional journalist. His rep is on the line as well.

      • thom

        If it’s true then it would be outragous targeting that would make heads roll within the government. I just want to hear Khan confirm it and want to see WHO threatened his “travel privilege”
        What language they used.
        It sounds beyond absurd and i cant imagine khan wouldn’t have announced this himself, not let it up to an events organizer and then fall silent

        • Bad Tom

          Why does Khan need to confirm it for you? I don’t get that.

    • Palmer

      I think this is a troll, no comment history.

      • Thom is a regular here and there is a comment history. You jumped the gun with the troll accusation.

        • Palmer

          My apologies, I’ve never seen him here before and there is no comment history.

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            I’m not certain where you are looking, but there is definitely a comment history.

          • Palmer

            When I click on his name all I get is an ad for Disqus.

            I’ve apologized once, I think that sufficient.

          • thom

            More than sufficient for me!

          • thom

            No worries 🙂
            For some reason my comment history doesn’t always show up.
            Not sure why.

          • Palmer

            Tried again and there it is!

            But I will contend that the commenters here are capable of keeping track of this bit of theater and still demand there be investigations in Hair Furor’s Russian connections.

  • Mark McGovern

    If true, he’s being muzzled.

  • Ian

    Nice passport you got there…be a shame if someone ripped it up!

  • jimbo65

    Sooo using the widow of a gold star family whose death you’re responsible for is ok. Persecuting a gold star family who knows more about the constitution than you do a no go. Welcome to the upside down.

  • Leo

    Of course this scandal gets buried in this shitshow of a news day. What a mess.

  • anne marie in philly

    ex-CUSE ME??????? an AMERICAN CITIZEN cannot travel to CANADA????? that’s fucked up, man!

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Hwang posted a series of Twitter clarifications to her original post, saying that Khan told CTV that he had “no comments to make” on the matter and that the statement about “travel privileges” came from Ramsey Talks, who was organizing the event for Mr. Khan to speak at in Toronto.

    FYI: Statement was sent to CTV News by Ramsey Talks, the event where Mr. Khan was scheduled to speak tomorrow. Mr. Khan has no comment.
    — Rosa Hwang (@journorosa) March 6, 2017

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/is-khizr-khan-being-prevented-from-traveling-explosive-tweet-raises-more-questions-than-answers/

    • thom

      Yeah, not looking like the best sourced story

      • Skokieguy [Larry]

        I’m guessing that this may relate to his wife? Perhaps she is not a citizen? However the fact that he is declining to comment is troubling.

        • Bj Lincoln

          I’m not passing this along until I hear from him or a more reliable source. Something smells fishy about this.

          • Skokieguy [Larry]

            Probably makes sense – although how sad that our country has degenerated to the point where for most of us, like the “Russian Dossier”, this is totally plausible. This appears to be the link to the event

            https://www.ramsaytalks.com/events/khizr-khan/

        • thom

          I’m guessing he didn’t think the event organizer would talk to the media about his claim

          • Skokieguy [Larry]

            So he cancels and tells the organizer that he’s worried about his wife being allowed back in. The event organizer has tickets sold, since the speech is tomorrow and has to say something on why the speaker is being cancelled and both misstates (is her, not him that is fearful of easy re-entry) and in addition perhaps betrays something said in confidence.

            Note: The above is pure speculation on my part but seems reasonable and plausible.

      • Bad Tom

        If Khan was contacted, and specifically has no comment, then that means it is true.

  • karen in kalifornia

    Basic harassment. None of the Khan reports indicate who/what/when/where/which agency notified Khan his travel plans were under review. Would be nice if the news included this little (read ‘big’) detail. Similar but different harassment on going with ICE going after DACA Dreamers. Lose definition of “criminal” obviously includes all “unauthorized” foreigners in the US.

  • kaydenpat

    We really are living in a Rightwing dictatorship where citizens can be told where, when and if they can travel. This is some nightmare Twilight Zone mess. He has every right to travel freely as a U.S. citizen.

    • Jeff Chang

      Care to extrapolite who denied or are delaying his travel rights?

  • Earl

    A citizen’s travel rights have been questioned.

    Are you really going to stand for this? If you don’t, your travel rights will go too.

    • thom

      Who questioned his travel rights?

      • Earl

        That’s the other question. This sounds like fucked fake news.

        • thom

          Yep

          • Earl
          • thom

            Standing by their reports that an event organizer believes this to be true. But no confirmation from anyone actually involved

          • Bad Tom

            No denial from the central person, who is extremely credible.

          • CJAS

            Khan is quoted in the organizer’s statement.

          • thom

            The CBC quote is citing the same statement sent by the speech organizer, not by Khan himself.

          • CJAS

            That’s clear from my phrasing. Is there some particular reason why you’re crusading for caution here relative to any other story that’s more headline than feature?

          • thom

            Yes. Because I see it spreading like wildfire on FB and twitter.
            I’m always more concerned about my political allies not spreading false reports than i am my enemies.
            False reports always come back to bite you

          • CJAS

            That seems more like a general concern rather than a particular reason. Which leaves wondering.

            By the way, the CBC host tweeted that Khan cancelled them for the same reason. .

  • Rick

    I really love her expression in this photo.
    “Ohhh, now you did it. I told you people not to mess with him.”

  • sonoitabear

    I predict a long, expensive VERY public lawsuit if this AMERICAN CITIZEN is denied his right to travel freely abroad…

  • thom

    More likely is Khan told the organizer he felt his “travel privilege” (not a real thing) was being threatened and the guy told a newspaper.
    No facts in this story at all.
    WHEN did this threat happen?
    HOW, email, phone call?
    WHO threatened him? Which branch of govt? Homeland security? State dept? FBI? ICE?
    On what grounds?
    Why isn’t Khan or his lawyer commenting?
    Why didn’t he release this himself through the ACLU or NYT?

    • Bad Tom

      If Khan hasn’t issued a vigorous denial by now, (and he has not,) then I take the news report as likely to be true.

      Khan has far more integrity than Donald Trump.

      • thom

        Why hasn’t he issued a vigorous confirmation?
        This isn’t between Khan and Trump.
        It’s between a claim from an event organizer and easily verified facts.

        • Bad Tom

          Why should he? To satisfy your skepticism?

          The Week reported it.
          Now it’s the lead story on CTV.

  • SunsetGay

    What’s the difference between Frank Underwood and Trump? One is a lying, warmongering, sociopath who threatens journalists, uses Federal agencies to advance his dubious political agenda, and would literally push someone in front of a train in order to save his ass.

    The other is the Honorable President Frank Underwood.

  • thom

    Goddamn it.
    A lightly sourced, very questionable report is going to make us lose focus on Trump and Russia, isn’t it?

    • Cackalaquiano

      Right. The report is flimsy. The man is a citizen. Is it Canada that’s reviewing his travel eligibility? The whole thing seems really doubtful.

      • Walter Maerlyn

        The report strains credulity. I’m not prepared to believe it until it is corroborated by a reputable source.

  • David in Tucson

    Wrong. Just despicably wrong. A citizen is a citizen.

  • Robert Anthony

    This man needs to sue-the-SHIT out of the government over this.

  • Hank

    There is NO WAY in HELL, that it is legal to limit an American Citizens’s travels to a non-prohibited nation!!!!

  • Bad Tom

    Political persecution, live, before our eyes, of a Gold Star father.
    Disgusting.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Utterly Reprehensible!!
      At this point, I am praying Dumpf sounds his remaining years in PRISON for treason.

  • Gigi

    Mr.Khan has been an American citizen for more than 30 years yet his travel rights are under review? Thanks, Twittler.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    These people lost a son for this country. What the fuck kind of people are we at this point? History will not be kind.

  • thom

    Why on Earth would Government tell someone their “travel privilege” was under review?
    Is it compulsary to inform people?
    Way too many questions that should have been asked before this story was published

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Gold Star family? – Too bad!
    Absolutely despicable.
    F*** Trump!

  • Mihangel apYrs

    If his citizenship is in question (and as far as I know the Authorities in the USA hve no power of banishment), then anybody can be declared stripped of citizenship

    • It’s not that. It’s whether Mr. Khan would be allowed exit and re-entry to U.S. His citizenship isn’t being questioned. His legal right to free travel is, apparently, if reports are to be believed.

      • Mihangel apYrs

        I take your point, saving that the right of free travel is an intrinsic element of citizenship (accepting the caveats), and curtailment without due cause IS an attack on that right.

        A passport can be withdrawn, but that doesn’t stop you leaving a country, just causes problems about entering another. And your right to return doesn’t depend on a document addressed to foreign powers. At least that would be as it was argued in a British court: the USA with all the powers accrued following 9/11 could be different

      • Bad Tom

        My husband’s passport was seized when we tried to get his name changed after we got married.

        That ended his ability to travel outside the United States.

        He had committed no crime; his problem was he used our marriage certificate to document the name change. Which was, of course, the only thing we had.

        We had to get a court order to get his passport back.

    • coram nobis

      There is a “denaturalization” process but it’s for narrow and very egregious forms of misconduct.

      http://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html

      There’s also a U.S. Supreme Court case, still valid apparently, that holds that U.S. citizenship cannot be revoked involuntarily. Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967).

  • Hank
  • Bad Tom
  • justmeeeee

    Notified by whom? I suspect the only story here is some rabble rousing.

  • Gigi

    Thanks, Twittler!

    Canadian woman en route to Vermont spa denied entry to U.S., told she needs immigrant visa

    Montreal resident Manpreet Kooner (sounds like a Moo-slim, right?) says thought of crossing border now makes her sick

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/canadian-denied-entry-us-immigrant-visa-1.4011202

  • OliveK

    Joe, you really need to vet this before you post it. There’s zero evidence to back this up and the story makes no sense. Khan is a citizen, he doesn’t need “privileges” to travel, as any other US citizen would. Let’s not fall into the trap of spreading rumors as facts, please.

    • SoCalGal20

      He’s a naturalized citizen. He can actually be stripped of his citizenship (“denaturalized”). So I wouldn’t out it past the administration to bar him from reentering or something equally ridiculous.

      • coram nobis

        The Donald has a grudge against him, so it’s plausible enough even if The Donald has to bend a few rules to mess with him.

        • SoCalGal20

          Exactly. Given what Homeland Security and CBP are already doing to greencard holders and others legally entitled to be here I would not put anything past this fucking fascist administration.

        • It’s worth noting that not all decisions in this regard come from the WH. We’ve already seen the CPB behaving horribly and I wouldn’t put it past some mid-level official & Trump supporter to decide he’ll abuse his powers to interfere with Mr. Khan’s travel.

          If these reports are true. <– Out of respect to Thom, who correctly has pointed out this whole story could be fake.

          • SoCalGal20

            Yes, definitely. Homeland Security and CBP are basically doing whatever the fuck they want right now.

          • And ICE.

          • SoCalGal20

            Oh, yes, can’t leave ICE out!

          • coram nobis

            Yes, and the tone coming from the TWH means DHS, CBP and ICE are taking their cues from it, even absent explicit orders. It makes their jobs “fun” again.

            https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/25/us/ice-immigrant-deportations-trump.html?_r=0

          • Agreed. I mean, if CPB isn’t enforcing at least an ‘unofficial’ Muslim ban, why are so many travelers — including citizens like Muhammad Ali’s son and ex-wife — being asked about their names, backgrounds, and whether they are Muslim?

            Why are travelers from Canada, the UK and elsewhere — countries which have visa-free travel with the U.S. — being detained, questioned, and turned back if they answer ‘yes’ to the Muslim question.

            I honestly think this is one of the biggest as yet unreported scandals. That a form of the ban already exists in effect.

          • coram nobis

            It might be a false report, and maybe Our Leader didn’t personally order or tweet it. Even so, “will no one rid me of this turbulent priest” has a way of inspiring one’s underlings.

    • jayhalleaux

      Being reported by Politico. So not just some hack job.

      http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/khizr-khan-travel-privileges-toronto-235727

    • coram nobis

      It’s possible some eager-beaver underlings are taking their cues from the tone of things. Having “fun” now that Il Douche is setting the themes.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/25/us/ice-immigrant-deportations-trump.html?_r=0

    • ultragreen

      It’s possible that he is being reviewed as a potential candidate for the government’s ‘No fly list.’ Any U.S. citizen can be placed on the ‘No fly list,’ even Sen. Ted Kennedy’s name was placed on the ‘No fly list’ by mistake for a brief period of time during the Bush administration.

  • O/T: Charles Blow brings up the basic question as to whether or not Mr. Trump is a legitimate President.

    https://twitter.com/BeccaMorn/status/838856087793090560

  • Holy fuck! He’s an AMERICAN CITIZEN! If this is true and was ordered by Trump, it is 100% grounds for impeachment as an abuse of power.

    • coram nobis

      It may simply have been some overeager underlings. He set the tone, but he can always say something like “I never ordered Lt. Calley to do that.”

      Even if he did create the command climate.

      • billbear1961

        It has been said that WAY TOO MUCH POWER has been wrongly granted to underlings and that they are abusing their authority.

        From what I’ve read about the way MANY travellers are being shamefully mistreated by Customs and Border Patrol, I agree!!

      • Yes, that may be true. Shades of Henry II: “Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?”

        And even if Trump ordered it, proving it could be hard as Bannon has been getting the White House to avoid putting anything in writing if a phone call will do.

        • coram nobis

          It also means not raising expectations of one’s courtiers or royal family.

          “Well, Daddy, you promised me up to half the country if I danced for the guests at your party, and all I’m asking for is one person’s head, gee whiz….”

      • kareemachan

        Did you read the treatment accorded to Mem Fox? She’s Australian, for heaven’s sake, and cuz the idiot TSA guy couldln’t figure out about why a person would go to a conference and get a stipend, he made her life hell.

  • canoebum

    This is outrageous. Let the impeachment proceedings begin!

    • kareemachan

      ITMFA!!!

  • Reasonoverhate

    Something smells here. Who notified him of “travel privileges”? You don’t need anything other tan a passport to visit and return from Canada.

    • If your paperwork isn’t in order or the airline detects a problem with your submitted documentation, it is not uncommon to receive a notification prior to international travel.

      • Reasonoverhate

        What paperwork? there is your airline ticket and your passport.

        • coram nobis

          All it takes is one passenger complaining about you, and you’re off the airplane! “Well, he was talking in some foreign terrorist language, Eskimo or something. Isn’t Yukon in Arabia?”

        • That’s not how it works. When traveling internationally, the airline will request your passport number and other identifying info. This is checked against gov’t databases.

          • Reasonoverhate

            I travel internationally quite often, especially to Canada. There is no paperwork. If there is info in the database, that’s a whole other issue.

    • billbear1961

      The implication is that his right to travel, using his passport, is under review by the U.S. government–i.e. the State Department–and that it and his passport may be taken from him.

      • Reasonoverhate

        Says who? There are a LOT of facts that need to be determined before this is a credible story.

        • billbear1961

          Says “Ramsey Talks, who was organizing the event for Mr. Khan to speak at in Toronto.”

          I got that from a poster, below, on this thread.

          • thom

            Yeah, feel that a report of this import should get at least one or two other sources

          • billbear1961

            I’ve seen your posts above.

        • grada3784

          Mr. Khan committed a serious crime. He CRITICIZED Trump!!!!!!

    • karen in kalifornia

      Yeah, I can’t figure out who or what agency is calling for the review. Canada? Airline? US State Dept. No articles contain this information.

      • Reasonoverhate

        The article is short on facts and long on hearsay.

    • grada3784

      He committed a serious crime. He CRITICIZED Trump!!!!!!

      (I wish I could say this was sarcasm.)

  • This is a mess with huge repercussions. International college applications are way down. The universities are panicking and while this doesn’t seem to be making the news everyone in academia with anything to do with admissions is well aware. In some cases this will just mean less competition for very competitive programs but in others it’s going to mean a huge drop in revenue for schools as international students pay the highest tuition rates and are not eligible for most scholarships. Also, some students from Saudi Arabia and other countries have already been told that their sponsorships (in other words, government paid tuition) will not be renewed for next year. That’s a lot of money that flows into already underfunded schools. There will be either big tuition hikes or cutbacks in programs maybe started as early as the fall depending on how bad things get. And then there’s the threat of Europe deciding that US citizens will need visas in advance to travel there. Maybe that’s an empty threat in retaliation to the harassment of Europeans entering the US recently. I’ve been hearing stories of agents demanding all social media account info from people entering the US, including Americans returning from abroad. It won’t take much to discourage foreigners from visiting the US and many regions will be devastated if that happens. This is an ongoing nightmare. It’s just going to get worse until Republicans wake up and put the brakes on some of this shit.

    • Travel to the U.S. for simple tourism is basically in the toilet now. Nobody wants to come here. We’re talking many billions of dollars in lost revenue.

      • billbear1961

        I’m an American citizen living with my Canadian husband in Montreal.

        I have no desire AT ALL to cross the border into the U.S. while it remains under the obscene YOKE of this FASCIST REGIME!!

        The thought fills me with LOATHING.

        • gaymex1

          I feel the same way. I’ve just about convinced my sisters and their families in the U.S. to jump ship. They are considering leaving, but frankly they don’t know where to jump to. I love them, but I won’t visit the States now.
          Last week I was talking to a couple of Mexican Immigration Officers (friends) and they are concerned about the influx from the U.S. and they are wondering when the requirements for Mexican residency will be tightened. Trump doesn’t understand that diplomacy is a two-way street.

          • billbear1961

            That’s not the only thing the JACKASS doesn’t understand.

          • gaymex1

            I agree. I’m really worried about folks in the U.S. as long as the madman is in charge.

          • billbear1961

            I’m worried about folks EVERYWHERE, gm1.

            🙁

          • gaymex1

            I am too. People I know. People I don’t know. It doesn’t have to be like this.
            One of my sisters, who lived and taught in Turkey for 30 years, finally left with her daughter when Erdogan started arresting faculty members. I still have two nephews there who are tied to their businesses and can’t easily leave. I am worried.

          • billbear1961

            I’m sorry to hear that.

            🙁

          • gaymex1

            Thanks. I mentioned Turkey, because it’s an example of what can happen when a leader comes into power and has no concern for democracy or citizens’ rights.
            I don’t want the same story to play out in the U.S.

          • billbear1961

            Hear, hear!

          • J Ascher

            Trump doesn’t understand anything but “my way or the highway!”

        • grada3784

          You’re safer there.

        • Paula Key

          I’m a Canadian travelling in Australia. I asked one young couple at my hotel their place of origin. The young man replied, “This time last year, I would have been proud to say American.” I gave him a hug.

        • Kate

          For every trip you don’t take, my family will take two. We’re more than happy to spend our dollars in the US.

          We’re hoping that Trump listens to our suggestion and starts a “build the wall” fund. Even though our Canadian taxes are high, we’d be glad to help out with money (or even labor).

          • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

            You’re Canadian now? With a family?

            You voted for Trump in November! And you said you were single!

            GTFO

          • Kate

            I’ve been Canadian for years. I left the US to protect my family, and I’ll be moving back to the US for the same reason.

            As long as the US taxes me wherever I live, I will vote wherever I live.

            No taxation without representation!

          • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

            Riiiiiiiight.

      • Cuberly

        Just an observation, in San Francisco, especially in off-season, you see so many EU tourists. You can be anywhere downtown and see and hear them all over. If you get on the trolley car that runs down Market St. yep, lots of em on there.

        Now when I go into the city i hardly see or hear them. I’ve seen a few here and there but nothing like what it used to be. Or should be.

    • coram nobis

      Also, the EU parliament wants to require visas from US citizens traveling there. The dispute pre-dates Donald, but Our Leader’s tone of voice isn’t helping.

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/03/europe/eu-america-visa-trnd/index.html

      • clay

        As they should, since the new EO bans immigration from them starting on April 5th.

    • billbear1961

      An excellent summary!

    • Brian Burleson

      They are going to need to find a spine to even begin to stand up to the bullies, tRump and President Bannon.

    • NancyP

      This is spot-on.
      Universities already are letting staff people go, not hiring replacements, etc

      • MaryJOGrady

        All kinds of research in the hard sciences will suffer, as the supply of foreign graduate students who are the normal source of indentured servitude is cut off or severely limited.

        • Card Daron

          Part of their anti-science plan, no doubt.

          I saw it said best on a church sign here in the south once: reason is the enemy of faith.

      • Mine has a hiring freeze. No layoffs so far but some attrition.

    • Paula Key

      Back in the late 1970s, many US students were attending U of T (U of Toronto) because it was cheaper for them to do so. They may now come in droves unless Trump stops them. However, Canada may replace the USA for students as a ‘safer’ place. This can only hurt the USA economy or maybe they will have to work free for a year on building “THE WALL” to qualify. This is all a diversion from Obama Care.

      • Universities world wide will be taking their pick of the best and brightest students from around the world who will opt out of coming to the US. Bad for us, great for everyone else. I suspect at some point we may be losing professors as well, even Nobel laureates. Research money is going to flow to the programs with the top students able to do cutting edge research.

    • kareemachan

      Also, I listen to CBC a lot – it’s nice to get another perception of news and such. International college applications are WAY up – surpassing such things as softwoods exports in amount of money brought in.

    • Kate

      “International college applications are way down.”

      So, the immigration ban comes with added bonuses. Perhaps colleges can start to focus more on Americans than foreigners (who pay higher tuition). Reduce the H-1Bs, and the US can really put a damper on immigration.

      “That’s a lot of money that flows into already underfunded schools.”

      The US gets a poor value on education dollars anyway, and student loans are a big problem. Let’s focus on sponsoring US citizens instead of foreign students, and cut student loan amounts so schools have to reduce program costs.

      “It won’t take much to discourage foreigners from visiting the US”

      Given the high price of being the place lots of people want to immigrate to, that’s a great thing. Add in some high tariffs to reduce international trade, and focus on US interests rather than playing world police, and we can start to return to the isolationist past.

      • You don’t understand what I’m talking about. I’ll give you some examples. Most grad students in engineering are international students. Americans don’t need a master’s in engineering. They get an undergrad degree and their certification and if they want more education they usually get an MBA. Those foreign grad students are paying high tuition and funding the program. Without them tuition will go up even further. States are not contributing much to colleges so that will just mean even more money. Cut student loan programs? The schools will go under. it’s not the 70s when you could work all summer and save up enough for tuition. How are students going to pay for that? They aren’t. And we will just start falling further and further behind.

        I’d be fine with not being the world’s police any more, but protectionism will hurt as many industries as it helps. We have a bigger problem looming than outsourcing and that’s automation. The factories are coming back and they are fully automated. I have no idea what all the displaced workers are going to do for jobs. No one does. No one even wants to talk about it.

        You don’t understand the problems at all.

        • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

          Sir, it’s KATE.

          The one who said she was a lesbian, and single. She said she voted for Trump.

          Several comments lower on this thread she says she’s Canadian and has a family.

          Something in the borscht ain’t clean.

          Don’t bother.

          • Not ringing any bells. I must have repressed the memory. Maybe that’s a good thing.

          • McSwagg

            Last fall, she was a Mexican immigrant from Dallas, whose business failed because of Obama, who fled to Canada because she feared for her safety, yadda, yadda, yadda. Her story has more twists and turns and loops than a roller coaster.

      • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

        OH, LOOK WHO’S BACK WITH A BRAND NEW PROFILE AND 41 COMMENTS, ALL FROM TODAY!!!

        It’s Comrade Katerina!!!

        Yes, it’s the same mind-blowing bullshit all over again from a paid-by-the-word troll on behalf of our friends in Mother Russia.

        Guys, “she’s” the lesbian who voted for 45, remember? Who argues in circles? Who has no clear, defensible opinion on… anything?

        Don’t waste your time engaging with her. It’s about as productive as trying to “argue with a dining table” as Barney Frank once said.

        Blocking is so much easier.

  • coram nobis

    Sidebar story, one that is all over Australia by now, about their beloved children’s author getting the full CBP treatment at LAX. A great country, or what?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/28/in-that-moment-i-loathed-america-i-loathed-the-entire-country

    • billbear1961

      Australians can come to Canada, instead.

      If they don’t like cold weather, they can wait until May!

      Bienvenue à Montréal!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpZuRvVUUis

      • billbear1961

        Sainte-Foy is a suburb of Quebec City.

        🙂

  • ultragreen

    I don’t really understand this. I assume that he is ‘being reviewed’ as a possible candidate for the ‘No fly list’ as a result of the administrative actions of the Trump administration. He probably doesn’t want to travel to Canada, then have his name placed on the ‘No fly list’ and be stranded there because he is unable to fly back.
    Also, this story is based on an unsubstantiated allegation, therefore I would be cautious about jumping to conclusions. If Mr. Khan’s story is true, then he is being harassed.

    • NancyP

      Of course he is being harassed.

      All Gold Star parents should give draft dodger Trump a piece of their minds.

  • AJ

    I know just enough about this to be dangerous and not enough to speak with certainty, but I can tell you that none us have a constitutional right to international travel. That right is only for domestic travel within the states. Therefore, the US government can block any of us from traveling internationally if they so wish. What I don’t know are the grounds that they have to prove, what sort of proceedings, if any, there need to be, etc.

    All of that being said, this obviously reeks of revenge and harassment on the Trump administration’s part.

    • thom

      Lol, im stealing your opening caveat 🙂

      • David Milley

        Hey, I’m living it!

    • MaryJOGrady

      Linus Pauling’s passport was revoked during the 1950’s, when he wanted to go to the UK to discuss possible structures of DNA with Watson and Crick, while they were working on that. It was retaliation for Pauling’s agitation against nuclear weapons. (He is the only person to receive two Nobel Prizes, one in chemistry for his explanation of electronegativity and one for peace, for the same work which cost him his US passport.)

      • McSwagg

        Marie Curie won two Nobel Prizes, one in Physics and one in Chemistry.
        http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1903/marie-curie-bio.html

        In fact there are multiple double winners.
        https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/facts/

        • MaryJOGrady

          Sorry, my bad.
          I guess I confused the fact that Pauling was the only one to win a Peace prize plus a science prize with the mistaken notion that he was the only one to win two.

          • McSwagg

            No problem. I just like to see Marie Curie get her due. She’s one of my favorite historical scientists because she was such a pioneer.

          • MaryJOGrady

            Marie Curie certainly was a great pioneer in science. I would like to see her story better known.

          • McSwagg

            I always championed her in my classes when I taught chemistry. She is a great role model for female students as she was really the only female scientist discussed at that level.

          • MaryJOGrady

            Very true.
            (Barbara McClintock only got the one Nobel, but her discovery of “jumping genes” was very important for understanding the complexities of antibodies.)

          • McSwagg

            I never taught Biology, so she didn’t fit into my curriculum, though her contribution is important.

  • dcurlee

    He’s a citizen. Why would he they be reviewing anything. Oh I forgot Trump keeps a list of who criticized him

  • Cuberly
    • billbear1961

      He’s imitating Hitler, who insisted that every crime committed by a Jew be on a list for public consumption, the “idea” being, of course, that ALL Jews were the same, that ALL were untrustworthy, even dangerous criminals.

    • billbear1961

      Someone should INSIST that all crimes committed by Caucasians and all crimes committed by Evangelicals should be on a list.

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Progressives have no business supporting perpetrators of such crimes [repeat: crimes] as honor killings, especially in the U.S. Persons from abroad unwilling or unable to follow U.S. law are not welcome in the U.S.

      The same goes with not tipping. Thank you.

      • Cuberly

        Agreed, but it isn’t odd that they want a registry or something? I mean, I hate to break it to them but there’s plenty of white dudes out there that killed their wives etc..because they thought they were being cheated on or what have you. How is that not the same as honor killing?

        • LesbianTippingHabits

          Not re tipping, and I’m not disagreeing with your aggregating various crimes that have lots of similarities, but in my view, progressives have to set priorities.

          Arguing about “white dudes out there that killed their wives etc..because they thought they were being cheated on or what have you,” even though it certainly has quite a lot in common with honor killing, is not, in fact, what the term “honor killing” means.

          Progressives have used the term “honor killing” re crimes in foreign countries and there is no point in objecting to a data collection on the same thing in our own country. In fact, this actually strengthens our international human rights advocacy by providing such background information re the same situation in the U.S.

          I don’t think this fight – defending those accused / convicted of honor killing in the U.S. – is worth it at this time. In any event, such individuals undoubtedly oppose the entire progressive agenda. Let religious conservatives defend them.

          Thank you.

  • fkevin
    • gaymex1

      Yes…it’s much bigger than Khan. He is but one.

  • thom

    Josh Marshall editor of TPM…
    “All, I would be skeptical of the Khan story. Sourcing seems very thin. Would wait for better sourcing.”

    • billbear1961

      If Josh says so!

      He’s a terrific chap!

  • thom

    IMPORTANT UPDATE…
    From NPR reporter
    Asked Khizr Khan several simple, clarifying Qs via email. He got back, saying only “Thank you – no comments.” I’d stay away from this story

    • billbear1961

      How very weird!

  • Update: Reuters has on-record comments from Mr. Khan confirming what we’ve been told so far.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-khan-idUSKBN16D2MI

    The father of an American soldier killed in Iraq who came under criticism last year from then-candidate Donald Trump said he has canceled a speaking engagement in Toronto after being notified that his U.S. travel privileges were under review.

    Khizr Khan, an American citizen born in Pakistan, said he had not been given a reason as to why his travel privileges were being reviewed. He did not say what kind of review he was subject to, which U.S. agency ordered it or who told him of the change.
    (…)
    The organization said in the same statement that Khan, a U.S. citizen for over 30 years, was notified Sunday evening that his travel privileges were being reviewed.
    (…)
    U.S. Customs & Border Protection said it does not contact travelers in advance of their travel out of the United States, according to an official who said any U.S. citizen with a passport may travel out of the country. CBP would not comment specifically on the Khan case, citing privacy protections.

    This is true, CBP doesn’t contact travelers in advance. However airlines may do so if they determine there is a problem with a reserved flight, such as the person being on a no-fly list.

    Personally I expect at some time we’ll learn more about exactly who in any sort of official capacity told Mr. Khan that he was not free to travel outside the country at will.

    Yes, this story remains weird as hell and more information is needed.

    • Paula Key

      From the Toronto Star Mar 6 2017

      MONTREAL—A Montreal woman who is a Canadian citizen says she was barred from entering the United States and told to get a visa.

      Manpreet Kooner said she was turned away at a crossing along the Quebec-Vermont border on Sunday and informed she needed a valid visa.

      Read the latest news on U.S. President Donald Trump

      Kooner, 30, is of Indian descent and was born in Montreal to parents who came to India from Canada in the 1960s.

      She said she’s perplexed given she was travelling on a Canadian passport and has no criminal record. Kooner said she was travelling with two friends — both white — who were not questioned by border officials.

      Kooner is just the latest person to be turned away at the border in recent months for various reasons.

      ———————————————————————————-
      The point here is that Canadians do not need a visa to enter the USA. We travel back and forth on our passports.

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Not re tipping, but pushing stories like this without necessary basic facts is, frankly, unhelpful in so many ways. Thank you.

  • Vista-Cruiser

    Khizr Khan can blame this on all of the Democrats who didn’t bother to vote last year.

    • I blame this on everyone who voted for Trump or 3rd party. Next, I blame the Republicans for allowing President Monstershouter to become their nominee. Next, I blame the media for becoming addicted to Cheeto Hitler’s ratings to the point of showing an empty podium rather than a live speech by Clinton or Sanders.

      I put ‘Dems who didn’t vote’ lower on that list.

  • Mark

    https://www.ramsaytalks.com/

    Ramsay Talks website is showing the event is cancelled.

    From Politico –

    A U.S. Customs and Border Protection official, citing privacy issues,
    declined to discuss Khan specifically but appeared to dispute the
    report, telling POLITICO that CBP doesn’t contact travelers in advance
    of their travel abroad.

    “With respect to Global Entry or trusted traveler membership, CBP’s
    engagement is about the status of membership in the program, not any
    particular travel itself,” the official said. “Of course, any U.S.
    citizen with a passport may travel without trusted traveler status. All
    individuals are subject to inspection departing or upon arrival to the
    United States.”

    That sounds like his membership in the CBP program has been cancelled…. Which sounds like bullshit to hide that Khan was targeted….and puts something of an air gap between CBP and cheetolini.

    This is gonna turn ugly. Real fast. And I hope it does.

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Not re tipping, but the exact issue – was it Global Entry or something – needs to be stated explicitly. Otherwise, this is just chasing ghosts.

  • J Ascher

    If this sort of thing doesn’t scare the hell out of you, nothing will. What’s next? Revoking citizenship on a whim?

  • greenmanTN

    I have given up on saying “This can’t possibly get more insane.” As soon as you say it, BOOM! A new outrage that literally Trumps the ones that came before.

    Think about how petty and punitive this is. Mr Kahn spoke out against Trump at the DNC, as a man who lost his (Yes, Muslim) son in our largely unnecessary wars, and now he finds himself on a list somewhere as possibly dangerous to this country?

  • rednekokie

    It seems to me the following comments belong to the article on Dr. Stabby.

  • Tempus Fuggit

    Gold Star father

    Barf. Could we please just stop it with that?

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    Not re tipping, but the underlying article lacks crucial information.

    Which government – United States or Canada – notified Mr. Khan of anything?

    Which official, or which organization, in that government made the notification?

    Is a copy of the notification available? Otherwise, we’re just chasing ghosts.

    Insufficient information means the original story should not have been posted.

    Thank you.

  • Kevin

    I’m having trouble believing this one.

    All the different media reports I’ve read don’t mention who told Khan that his “travel privileges are being reviewed”, nor does Khan specify.

    And per Daily Mail: “Representatives with US Citizenship and Immigration Services told Dailymail.com that they were not aware of Khan’s case or of any American citizen having their travel privileges put under review by the US government.”

    “US Customs & Border Protection officials said the agency does not contact travelers in advance of their travel out of the US, adding that any US citizen with a passport may travel out of the country.”

  • sword

    Trump should not be allowed to travel to Europe. His ancestors came from Germany, and the US was at war with Germany twice…and German saboteurs/spies were arrested during both wars. So The Donald should be suspected of harboring anti-American sentiments.

  • JCF
  • juanjo54

    This man is a citizen of the United States. Under the Constitution his right to travel is not restricted unilaterally.

  • FUCKTRUMP

    Start suing, Mr. Khan. That’s the only thing that fat cheeto-eating bastard understands.

    This country needs a nationwide strike to show that fuck-witted monkey and his GOP handlers that our CITIZENS will not be abused by a petty dictator.