Ben Carson: “Immigrants” In The Bottom Of Slave Ships Were Pursuing Prosperity And Happiness [VIDEO]

The Daily Beast reports:

While speaking with his employees on Monday, Ben Carson made a baffling claim that seemingly likened slaves to immigrants. Calling the United States a “land of dreams and opportunity,” the newly confirmed housing and urban development secretary said, “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.”

He added: “They too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.” It’s unclear what the retired neurosurgeon meant by the suggestion that immigrants came over on slave ships; however, the NAACP responded to Carson’s claim with a one-word response: “Immigrants???”

  • Tomcat

    Just another jackass, nothing to see here.

  • Treant

    “Dr” Crazy Pants says what?

    Honestly, was he that great as a surgeon or did most of his patients turn into Republicans after brain surgery?

  • Jay George

    When they weren’t starving and dying of course.

    • Stogiebear

      You go and provide them free passage on a perfectly luxurious “slave” ship and this is how they repay your kindness — they up and starve and die on you. How. Rude.

      • Jay George

        And complain about it the entire time. smh

    • clay

      But now they got to starve and die as Christians.

      /s

      • Jay George

        Yep, at least now in the afterlife they get to sit on cloud, play the harp and sing forever and ever instead of burning in heathen darky hell. The slavers actually did them a favor. /gag ack!

  • Stogiebear

    Fucking idiot.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    Kellyanne Conway clarified this : ‘Slaves are alt-immigrants’.

    • kaydenpat

      And she’s an alt-decent person.

    • teeveedub

      March is Black Alternate History month.

      • glass

        Exactly! ‘member when all the black people took away all the land from the native americans? Or when all the slave ships started capturing all those people from europe and forcing them to be slaves in america?
        And when christianity was completely illegal, since all black people are atheists.

        Oh wait… that’s just a republican nightmare that happens when you are snorting coke and hosting a conservative radio show. 🙂

  • Cuberly
    • Jay George

      I’ll get the bottle opener…

      • Judas Peckerwood

        Bring a funnel too…

      • Cuberly

        Make mine a triple. 🙁

    • another_steve

      Hon, please do this for me (unless you have physical and/or emotional/philosophical issues with alcohol):

      One part Beefeater Gin. Two parts quality dry vermouth.

      Stirred, not shaken.

      Three olives on a stick.

      Life is good. 🙂

      • pj

        dont bruise the gin

        • olandp

          It is the vermouth that bruises. I prefer a Jack Daniels Manhattan, no bitters, light on the vermouth. Stirred, always stirred.

          • pj

            quoting auntie mame. champagne drinker myself.

          • another_steve

            The Jack Daniels Manhattan is one of the crowning achievements of boozedom.

            When I’m in the mood for a Manhattan, no other whiskey will do.

          • olandp

            It is my favorite cocktail. You wouldn’t believe some of the concoctions I have been served! Just because one is cute and can open a beer, does not make one a bartender.

          • another_steve

            Ohmigod yes. I’m attracted to you, olandp, due in part to your priorities.

            My husband’s father (long-deceased) was a connoisseur of the perfect Manhattan. For him it was an obsession, and always Jack Daniels.

            When I was dating my husband (now over 40 years ago), his father would mix us a pitcher of Jack Daniels Manhattans.

            Those Manhattans sealed the deal for me, and I ended up marrying his son.

        • another_steve

          The better gins are quite bruise-able.

          They deserve — demand — a delicate touch.

      • That is an unusual recipe for a martini. Even in the 1920’s it was equal parts gin and vermouth. Why so heavy on the vermouth?

        • Jay George

          So you can’t taste the gin? ;D

        • another_steve

          There are different martini standards, indeed.

          Beefeater, however, is such a subtle and sublime gin that it requires a certain…hmm…caressing.

          To drink it too undiluted would be an insult to it.

      • Cuberly

        lol…I can’t do the hard stuff. One martini and I’m on the floor. I occasionally/rarely sip a whiskey but even then I gotta go slow.

        For some reason beer and wine are ok. It doesn’t hit me so fast and so hard.

        • another_steve

          Understood.

          At my age, my liver and brain are relatively gin-dead.

          I pass out after so many Beefeater martinis, but the bar or restaurant usually runs out of its stock before I get to that point.

        • Anastasia Beaverhousen

          Oh, honey, I love you. I am going find my friend who makes a Twinkie martini and send you the recipe. You will love it and it stays fresh forever.

          • Cuberly

            Whooo! Does it have cream filling?

    • kaydenpat

      You’ll have to ration yourself because we’ve just got on the Crazy Train.

  • clay

    And, eventually, their descendants won the right to choose to go to a HBC&U.

    –Betsy DeVos

    • kaydenpat

      How touching. **sob**

  • Blackfork

    Another shiny object. Let’s ignore this for the moment and keep a close eye on what this fucking administration is trying to destroy all throughout the government.

    • David L. Caster

      Carson is one of the destroyers.

  • Tomcat

    Only a Trump administration would try and put a positive spin on slave trade as helping the blacks to immigrate to America.

    • clay

      That’s not entirely true, you just have to go back several generations.

      • Tomcat

        True,very true.

    • Raising_Rlyeh

      There are fundie christians, some AA ones in the mix as well, that claim slavery was good because they were given the “gift” of christianity.

  • Carl

    I know people who find Trump and Carson impressive. Let that sink in.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • b

      Brain surgery has this reputation for difficulty, requiring a “brilliant mind.” Let’s re-think that. Just like Donald is a brilliant businessman for screwing investors and contractors, maybe Ben is a brilliant surgeon because he can perform tricks like Flipper the dolphin.

      • unclemike

        Brain surgery requires a steady hand and a good memory. Not necessarily brilliance.

        • Robert Adams

          You are correct. Brain surgery, like any other surgery, is a technical skill, like auto repair or plumbing. Intelligence comes into play after the surgery is complete, If you check his outcomes on complicated cases you will find they are less than sparkling.

        • bzrd

          but are we sure he is THE Ben Carson brain surgeon
          either he over dosed on something he found in the hospital or
          would the real Ben Carson please stand up

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        DO NOT besmirch the memory of Flipper, a far more intelligent creature than this sack of doorknobs.

      • DonnaLee

        Idiot Savant. Classic. First time I saw a brilliant pianist who had, as a full time job, cleaning the theater. He could barely function on his own, had to have help with anything related to money or math in general, but was a stunning pianist.

    • McSwagg
    • McSwagg

      No Rocket Scientist would be so “slow”.

  • Tomcat

    I am sure if there was any way this man could have owned black slaves,,, he would have.

    • Earl

      There were black slaveowners in the USA. c/f “The American Slave Coast” by Ned and Constance Sublette. (a really good read. Especially for a history book.)

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        And in Brazil, too. One of the weirdest truth-is-stranger-than-fiction characters in history is Chica da Silva (sometimes spelled Xica da Silva). Her life has been turned into several films, miniseries and books in Brazil.

        • Earl

          Don’t get me wrong. The fact that a very few blacks were able to buy slaves is not any sort of justification for that immoral trade. It’s just an example of humans being totally willing to fuck others over, as long as it brings in the moneys. 🙁

  • HZ81

    I was going to post this earlier, but I just couldn’t get over how fucking obscenely offensive he is. Not his beliefs, although those, too. Just how fucking stupid this guy and his co. grifters are.

    The only way to make America great again is to start making stupidity unacceptable again, but God knows this nation is too fucking stupid to make that happen.

    • Ninja0980

      Too many people in this country only care about sticking it to the other and they don’t care who they have to get in bed with to do that.

  • anne marie in philly

    I’d like to ask carson’s great-great-great grandparents if they enjoyed being forcibly being brought to amerikkka against their will.

  • another_steve

    Ben Carson. Ohmigod. He practiced here in Baltimore (on human brains).

    On behalf of all Marylanders, I want to apologize.

    (Please remember though: We also brought you John Waters.)

    • anne marie in philly

      and thank the dogs and cats for john waters!

      • another_steve

        There is definitely a John Waters ethos here in the Baltimore area. Tangible.

        Man and I ate the other night at Kibby’s on Wilkens Avenue in Baltimore. Old Maryland queer farts will understand.

        Please.

        John Waters, incarnate.

        • anne marie in philly

          I have been to the hampden section; just made for funky people like JW and divine.

          • another_steve

            Oh for sure. It’s a real thing.

            Man and I go to restaurants where the women servers have big hair and expect to be called “hon.”

          • anne marie in philly

            well, hon, bawlmer is a happenin’ town!

      • John Waters’ Pink Flamingos to this day remains unmatched for canine appreciation. Who needs Benjie? https://youtu.be/0g09RQfWEY4

        • anne marie in philly

          thank the dogs and cats for divine!

    • Carl

      It goes to show you can be tremendously skilled and still be a fucking idiot.

      • another_steve

        Carson or Waters?

        /snark

        • Baltimore much prefers John Waters. I do not believe that a “Ben Carson Day” has ever been declared anywhere in the State of Maryland Steve. (I am a U of Maryland Terrapin Alumni and we LOVE John Waters!). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/85087e0f16a608e7fe6589c2244e50754ee4db3f10073b517ca310746a1d3ee9.jpg

          • another_steve

            It’s been a long while since I begged for credit on this, here on JMG, so I’ll do it now, today. 😉

            I waged a personal war on Maryland’s PBS station — MPT — when they were still hawking Carson’s lectures and books for station fundraising purposes — following Carson’s announcement that he was considering running in the 2016 Republican presidential primary.

            I threatened MPT with an FCC complaint and all manner of public relations horror. Eventually they removed their Carson merchandise from their programming fundraisers and from their website.

            (Maryland sisters and brothers reading here: MPT is not a friend of the LGBT community. If you want to contribute to PBS, consider sending your money to WETA (D.C.’s PBS affiliate) — a proven friend and ally of LGBT people.)

      • olandp

        I’ve read here that he was perpetually confused when he was working a a brain surgeon, but I think he had some brain injury that has left him this disoriented. That “inspirational” book about him was written by himself (probably ghosted). He is a legend in his won mind.

        As Dan Quayle said, “What a terrible thing it is to lose one’s mind, or never to have had a mind at all.”

    • Mike__in_Houston

      I’d let John Waters do brain surgery on me before I’d let Ben Carson do it.

    • And do not forget other infamous Marylanders, such as assassin John Wilkes Booth and slutty Dawn Davenport — who broke the important rule for Baltimore girls time immemorial and entered a life of perversion and disgrace by wearing a pair of shiny black cha-cha heels. https://youtu.be/6cYZXyh7y6I

  • Chucktech

    Yes, of course slaves captured and forced onto ships dreamed of freedom in a new land….

    Jesus.Fucking.Christ.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    I think his life is told in the movie “GET OUT!”

  • Tomcat

    Trump say Carson has his utmost confidence and he would be willing to let him operate on his straw if he wanted to.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN
    • Dramphooey

      #dickheadedtom!

    • Michael R

      that’s real ! ^^^

    • Tomcat

      What do you have in your wallet? in Carsons case directions to his house because he gets lost all the time. By time he explains he is lost to cops, they have already left.

      • William

        He’s still looking for his luggage.

    • I wonder what it’s like to be that bad-ass. Sadly I’ll never know. But I can live vicariously through Mr Jackson.

      • Jay George

        One friend (who is black) calls Carson a hanky head. I had to go look it up.

        • Todd20036

          I’m guessing it’s similar to “quisling”

          • Jay George

            Pretty much. An African American who is willingly servile to white people.

          • Lucindarjones

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        • kaydenpat

          Uncle Tom with a kerchief on his head like those old timey lawn jockeys.

          • Jay George

            Which makes perfect sense.

        • JCF

          AKA Uncle Tom. AKA “Oreo”. AKA “House {N word}”

          • glass

            This guy is worse than an uncle tom, he’s a great grandpa tom.

          • Jay George

            From my friend –> Uncle Ben Carson Secretary of #HousingNegro —

          • Angelarthomas

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      • Bob Conti
    • FAEN

      BOOM!

    • SunsetGay

      And he would know because he played Ben Carson in Django Unchained!

      • clay

        Steppin’ Stephen seemed to me to be the smarter of the two.

    • Ninja0980

      I would love to see these two go at it on Real Time.
      Carson would be torn to shreds in two seconds flat.

    • Any black supporter of Donald Trump can kiss 3/5 of my ass…

    • Kruhn

      ‘Nuff said!

    • Gerry Fisher

      Samuel L. Jackson is a national treasure. He deserves a fabulous award that hasn’t been invented, yet.

  • Tomcat

    There is a possibility that one Carson sniffed too many sedation gasses while operating or two he practiced on his own brain in the bathroom mirror.
    There is no way this is the essence of the man that was famous for brain operations.

    • Mark Née Fuzz

      I vote for explanation 2

  • clay

    Why was he speaking about this? Was he supposed to be speaking about refugee housing and settlement? Does he think HUD is the Black People Department?

    • Tomcat

      Well YEAH !

  • Mark Née Fuzz

    They were fleeing the great African potato famine.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    Didn’t the TX state history books claim the same thing?

    • Robert Conner

      Well, yeah, but that was Texas.

  • Blake J Butler

    The Alamo was also America’s first Taco Bell.

    Alternative fact.

    • kaydenpat

      Shhhh. Don’t tell Devos.

    • bzrd

      The Taco Bowl
      Mexico wins by a landslide

  • Hank
  • Sam_Handwich

    why the fuck does greta have a show on MSNBC?

    • Tomcat

      Affirmative action. The left media has to show a conservative side, so they have Joe and Greta.

    • CottonBlimp

      I’ve worked in TV. No hack ever goes unrewarded.

    • I never realized how abnormal she was. I just read her Wiki entry. Senator Joe McCarthy was the best man at her parent’s wedding. Van Susteren married tort lawyer John P. Coale in 1988. Coale, a self-described “ambulance chaser,” became known as “Bhopal Coale” for his solicitation of clients among victims of the Bhopal disaster. He has served as an adviser for Sarah Palin. Van Susteren and her husband are members of the Church of Scientology.

  • Do the Guinness Book of Records hold a category for “Government WTF Moments”? The Trump administration would need a few volumes all to themselves.

    • another_steve

      We here in the states have not witnessed this before, Steven.

      Even during the evil and corrupt Nixon (Watergate) years, it was not day-to-day drip drip drip.

  • royinhell

    He didn’t call slaves ‘immigrants’- he said there were immigrants in the bottom of slave ships. Probably was referring to the ones holding the whips, as he must identify with them.

  • I’m wondering if he’s not talking about the indentured servants? I’m not sure. I speak Fundie but this is more batshit and I have tried but haven’t learned to speak that particular language.

    Also, worked for less? Slaves weren’t paid. How do you you get less than nothing?

    • grada3784

      Whatchoomean, Willis?

      Didn’t you read Roots? Fiddler was paid something. Not much, but something.

      Plus the slaves got room and board, free of charge.

      /S

    • Earl

      Actually, they could earn money. It was usually taken from them by their owners though. A select few might have been able to save enough to buy their freedom, but there was no guarantee that they’d be able to buy it nor one that they’d be able to keep the status of a freedman. The best bet for them was to ‘steal themselves’.

      c/f Fredrick Douglass “An American Slave”

      • stuckinthewoods

        Right, some slaves could earn money – if they were allowed to. Slaves had no legal rights. There were seldom enforced laws regulating the conduct of owners and slavery practices varied over time and region. Later there were locations where slaves might be sent to be hired out for day labor by anyone needing laborers. Who retained the earned money was a matter between master and slave with the slave having no rights but those allowed.

    • stuckinthewoods

      Carson could be talking about anything – but indentured servants coming over did not travel in the hold of slave ships. Their transport could also be brutal and sometimes fatal with insufficient rations, but nevertheless indentured “transportation” was a cruise compared to the middle passage on slave ships. The simplest explanation is that Carson is an idiot.

    • ceeenbee

      Hey! They were fed and ‘given’ a roof over their heads!

      /s

      • stuckinthewoods

        I know that was /s, but in fact slave narratives did include some who recognized that they were more well kept than the poorest whites and pitied them. Of course slaves had no security at all, while these poorest whites had self determination but equally no possessions or value.

        • MichaelJ

          And slaves had no guarantee that they wouldn’t be subject to cruel punishment by their owners and that their families would be torn apart by their owners selling them off

          • stuckinthewoods

            True. Slaves had no guarantee of anything, really. “I’ll put you in my pocket” was a widely understood threat by an owner (meaning “I’ll sell you and put the money in my pocket”) and there was no social stigma against owners selling individuals or destroyed families. Today we have a myth there were “good” slave owners and crueler ones, but the simple fact is that all of them, bluntly speaking, monetized their capital. There weren’t slave breeding farms but population does rise, and their “increase” (a euphemism for children) on every farm was a marketable fact. This wasn’t all that long ago really. I met an old man and now realize his father was born a slave owner.

        • ceeenbee

          Yes, and if they tried to escape, they were hobbled and given a beautiful Tiffany anklet to wear on their maimed ankles.

          • stuckinthewoods

            If they did escape they were pursued. The newspapers of the time were full of “runaway” notices with name and description.

    • McSwagg

      Indentured servants were typically poor whites who voluntarily entered into a time limited contract of service in exchange for payment of their passage. Indenture-hood was not a life long status unless one had the misfortune to die before the end of the contract. When the contract was fulfilled, the former servant became a free citizen. Slavery was an altogether different institution.

      • I know that and you know that but does Carson know that???

        • McSwagg

          Obviously not.

  • thom

    Ot://
    BREAKING: Kentucky House passes anti-#LGBQ SB17. Bill now heads to @GovMattBevin’s desk https://t.co/OrVzZn5Aco

  • Ray Page

    Ben Carson: Proof you don’t need a brain to be a brain surgeon. Idiot savant.

  • thom

    Ot://
    The White House told Planned Parenthood its federal funding could stay if abortions go. The group refused. https://t.co/zxdTGo8G7H

    Edit… as a reminder, federal funds cannot be used for abortions. It’s against the law.

    • Tomcat

      Not one dime of federal money goes to abortion so why do they get to dictate how Planned Parenthood operates?

      • Earl

        Same ole, same ole…

        Gawd’s Wills It!!!111

      • Walter Maerlyn

        Dictators gotta dictate.

      • clay

        Meanwhile, abortion is included in federal employees health coverage and is provided at (some) US military hospitals.

    • -M-

      Also Planned Parenthood’s “federal funding” is Medicaid reimbursements for services rendered to low income patients.

      • Zeldacat

        Services like birth control and some basic health checks, like STD testing and pap smears and I think breast cancer screening. I fail to recognize anything negative in any of these.

        Personally I honestly thank Obama for my free birth control pills on my insurance. And I don’t even take them for the contraception bit. I was a PP client years ago in college and not long after and they were very helpful kind people. Oddly, they much preferred me coming to them for the pill rather than an abortion after needing and not getting it…

        • Talisman

          If only these women would put a penny between their knees, they wouldn’t need STD testing.

          And pap smears and breast cancer is god’s way of trading the old and used for the new, perky, and tight.

        • clay

          Women with PCOS need those birth control pills to manage their cycles and are infertile, anyway. Losing Obamacare’s protections mean they might have to fight their insurer or simply loose coverage and start having four cycles a month.

        • lymis

          “Oddly, they much preferred me coming to them for the pill rather than an abortion after needing and not getting it…”

          I don’t find that odd at all.

          And anyone who opposes abortion and doesn’t fully support widely available birth control is either an idiot or lying.

          • Zeldacat

            I wasn’t serious with the oddly. It’s just that the wingnuts think PP wants nothing more than to do abortions, the later the better…such bullshit.

            The people who don’t support birth control or abortion access are out to punish women for being women. It’s not like they give a shit about the woman or any children that come along, once said children are born.

    • olandp

      Tell me more about the wonders of small government and freedom from tyranny.

    • Reality.Bites

      In Canada the government is required to pay for all abortions. Normally a provincial or territorial government, but the federal when it comes to members of the armed forces, or federal prisoners, First Nations people living on reserve, and certain others.

  • AdamTh

    Creepy. Stupid. and the adjectives just get worse….

  • Dramphooey

    He added: “They too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

    Was that before or after “I’ll never see my family or my loved ones or my home again?”

    • MichaelJ

      Or before or after they witnessed some of their fellow immigrants die — of hunger, disease being overworked or simply killed to instill the maximum amount of fear among the immigrants — and be thrown unceremoniously into the ocean?

  • geoffalnutt

    See, that’s what happens when you wake him up too suddenly.

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    Any other administration — a statement like this would get you fired

  • Robert Conner

    Ben Carson is one clueless Negro. I mean goddammit! I thought the pyramids full of grain bullshit was pretty over the top even for bullshit, but then I figured, he’s a Seventh-Day Adventist. Uncle Ben here don’t know shit from apple butter. But slavery? Fuckin’ SLAVERY? Looks like the chariot done swung low and hit this bitch in the fucking head!

  • Michael R

    … and people aren’t talking about Russia anymore .

    • Tomcat

      When there is ammo going off all around you it is awful hard to remember what you were running from first. The right is ambushing us from every side and all the time so it is what it is.

  • edrex

    I guess it ultimately worked out for you, huh.

  • CottonBlimp

    Oh God. Oh God Almighty.

    I just saw Get Out over the weekend (good movie, recommend it). I won’t spoiler it for you if you haven’t seen it, but I’m just realizing how frighteningly well it explains Ben Carson.

  • MikeBx2

    Is this real life? Each day is more surreal than the last in Trump’s America.

  • FAEN

    I read that at lunch and about choked.

    It amazes me that he used to work on people’s brains because he doesn’t seem to have much of his own.

    • Walter Maerlyn

      He’s working on my last nerve right now.

      • FAEN

        Oh it’s past that now. For that offensive statement alone he should resign or be fired. Pity it won’t happen.

  • Lazycrockett

    Bannon and his slow march to rewrite history.

  • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

    O/t…the Republicans just released their repeal of Obamacare.

    • Earl

      It’s worse than feared, right?

      • Tomcat

        They still left out all the answers of how it works.

        • geoffalnutt

          This is basically “Oh, look! A squirrel!” in light of the Russia revelations. All the Repigs are complicit…and they’re desperate to change the subject.

  • Tomcat

    Carson is the WHITEhouse stand up comedian. And whipping boy.

  • WNY
    • kaydenpat

      Lol!! Perfect.

    • Craig Howell

      “Does not compute. Sterilize! Sterilize!”

  • Joe in PA

    I bet those slave didn’t forget their luggage!

  • Cuberly

    OT: To add to today’s turbo-clusterfuck they released the repeal plan for the ACA.

    Surprise! Tax Credits! The laziest of lazy GOP go-tos that accomplishes zilch and ignores the complexity of pretty much everything.

    https://twitter.com/RonaldKlain/status/838892544763301888

    • Sam_Handwich

      will never make it through the senate

      • Cuberly

        Most likely not. But the Koch backed orgs are gonna apply the screws big time. It’s gonna be ugly.

        • Sam_Handwich

          they didn’t include cost/coverage estimates. the bill is a shit sandwich

          • Cuberly

            A sock-puppet bill? Pretending they’re doing something?

          • Sam_Handwich

            seems that way. it was all done in secret in the basement. i doubt the senate will even bite.

          • Cuberly

            Why is it I don’t think the Koch’s are gonna fall for this.

        • Main question will be whether the insurance companies hate this bill.

          I have this odd feeling they might.

          • Cuberly

            One of the things I was reading is the impact will push a considerable number of people out of their employee backed health benefits. That’s gotta hit insurers if blocks of businesses opt out of covering.

          • JustDucky

            They’re trying to buy them off.

            twitter.com/singernews/status/838902150340218882

            twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/838895497423224836

    • Dramphooey

      More bullshit like Health Savings Accounts instead of actual coverage.

      • Cuberly

        Yep, the same old garbage consistently shown to never work.

      • Todd20036

        Basically, they want to treat health care like the welfare block grants.

        You are fighting each other for scraps. And if something is too expensive, like heart surgery, or medication that costs $20 grand a year, then tough luck.

        But hey, Bernie or bust, right?

    • MikeBx2
      • ultragreen

        Even sadder. This bill, if it is ever passed, will not be popular with anyone except people who are already affluent who contribute money to the health plans at their place of employment.

      • Stev84

        Wait, I thought there were against such punishments. Because freedumb

        • clay

          No, they’re VERY into punishments.

      • Bryan

        “this process would being?!” They typed it up so fast they didn’t even bother to fucking grammar/syntax check it.

        Edit: and the second “their” should be changed to “Applicant” again to avoid confusing syntax. Fucking idiots.

      • Cuberly

        Uh, their two main supposed grievances were the mandate and the penalty.

        (facepalm)

      • clay

        Uh, how does a 30%, one-year penalty discourage anyone from going uncovered for more than 30% of a year?

      • lymis

        Let me guess, if the insurers approve you but delay the effective date of coverage (processing forms takes SO much time and effort, of course!) then even if you applied and were approved in a timely manner, they can still soak you for the surcharge, right?

        Of course, nobody in the insurance industry would do such a thing.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      What good is a $3,000 tax break. That doesn’t even cover one MRI.

      • Cuberly

        But…but…it’s guaranteeing you freedumb of choice! Merikah Fuck Yeah!

        Yep, the GOP just doesn’t do effective policy, they’re beyond inept at it.

      • clay

        It’s meant as a replacement for the federal subsidy, to make the cost of medical insurance doable. But one huge problem, medical insurance payments aren’t once a year on April 15th and people having trouble making ends meet are going to be thinking shorter-term.

      • McSwagg

        That might cover a very cheap funeral. I think that’s always been the bottom line. If you’re ill and poor, die quickly.

    • ultragreen

      Sad.

    • pj

      that should cover cancer treatment.

    • Pip

      That should just about cover it all. I’ll just borrow a fiver from my friend to cover the rest.

    • CottonBlimp

      Genuine question: what happens when you don’t make enough to be taxed federally? Do you just get that money in the form of a tax refund, or do you not get shit because there’s nothing to refund?

      More rhetorical question: how the fuck is an annual tax break in 2018 going to help you pay for insurance monthly in 2017?

      • Cuberly

        I’ve just dabbled in checking it out. And it’s monstrous.

      • Republicans don’t do refundable tax credits because if you’re poor, they want you to suffer even more.

      • Talisman

        My understanding, based on how some family members have benefited from the Earned Income Tax Credit, is that effectively reduces your income. If you make, for example, $30,000 a year, and qualify for a $3,000 tax credit, you’re effectively taxed as if your income is $27,000. But they still deduct taxes as if you’re making $30,000.

        Both of my sisters usually qualify for the EIC, and they both routinely received a larger refund than they’d normally would have gotten (in fact, because of their income bracket, they have always gotten more back than they actually paid in).

        So, yes, tax credits are nice – but they really don’t help the immediate need. And most people are going to spend the refund immediately to do things they can’t afford, like car or house repairs.

        • McSwagg

          And that $3000 “tax credit” only amounts to about $500 in actual money in your pocket. It’s all a diversion.

      • Raybob

        Well, I can tell you what happened with Bush’s refund when I was so poor I didn’t have to pay federal: you don’t get a dime.

        • McSwagg

          And Reagan’s “tax cut” INCREASED my tax bill.

    • billbear1961
      • another_steve

        What a lovely piece. Thank you, billbear.

        Music aficionados say that of all the reed instruments, the oboe most closely resembles the human voice.

        And I believe it to be true.

      • Cuberly

        Thanks for playing me away from the ledge Mr. Bear. 😉

        • Dazzer

          YES! That’s exactly what Bill does.

          Some evenings you fear the world is going to fall over the edge of a cliff. But then Bill posts some music and you’re able to just breathe out and be reminded that humanity has brilliance and creativity and beauty.

          I can’t tell you the nimber of times I listen to music that he posts and just relax into happiness.

          Never tell him this, but Bill’s excellent taste in music is infinitely better than any pill you can take to just relax into gentleness and civility.

      • Treant

        Heinz is kind of sneaky-nerdy hot.

        • Robincho

          Heinz — 57 kinds of combover fail…

  • Thorn Spike

    Oh, dear Lord.

  • bkmn

    How long before Carson is given the order to never speak publicly again?

    • TampaDink

      I figured that he was instructed to say something outrageous & bizarre as an attempt to distract from the Russian connection stories & the insane comments of Hair Furor.

  • Talisman

    “Hey, this slave gig will only last a few years, and afterwards my kids and grandkids will be free, so I’ll gladly sell myself into chains now to give them a chance for a better life later…”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/79f138f547e9ef8c5352946f7f3433564a3708a398097f56c5a745000bd5365a.jpg

  • amati1684

    Batshit crazy…the Trump administration is a national emergency.

  • ultragreen

    He’s crazy. We have crazy people, liars, and criminals running the government.

  • Rebecca Gardner
  • ceeenbee

    I believe another group used that same aLternItivE fact.

    “Arbeit macht frei.”

  • AW

    Not only but he’s talking about how great it was without labor laws and no minimum wage! It’s like stupid upon stupid.

  • j.martindale
    • Bryan

      Oyy the tension headaches that follow….

    • zhera

      …Carson talks to himself a lot then!

  • They’re all off their meds … delusional fucks.

  • M Jackson

    Ben needs to be put to, I mean go back to, sleep.

  • sfmike64

    Holy shit Dr. Stabby is stupid. It’s astonishing where they find all this stupid.

  • houstonray

    What the actual fuck?

  • Benny S.

    I’m wondering why Carson neglected to mention all those Africans standing on the shorelines as the ships sailed away, jumping up and down with they’re hands raised in the air, shouting: “Wait! Take me, take me too!!!”

  • Lazycrockett
    • Earl

      I’m sure the children will be kept as safe as if they were in a monastery.

    • billbear1961

      If the country allows this kind of sheer EVIL, it is DAMNED.

    • clay

      ‘Cuz he’s opposed to unoccupied minors from Central America? So he’s going to make MORE of them from all over?

  • Stubenville

    He’s a loon.

  • Tom Ato

    OMG, what a f’ing idiot! Is there no bottom to their ignorance and incompetence?

    • Stubenville

      Apparently not.

    • Stev84

      That’s a rhetorical question, right?

  • Lazycrockett

    Skimming the GOP House health insurance bill there is no way its passing the senate.

    • Sam_Handwich

      they have to get this charade over now so as not to impact the midterms so much

      i think the ACA is basically here to stay. the choices are fixing it or breaking it.

      • kareemachan

        And I think the repugs are finally getting the message that breaking it would be very, very bad for them. Yugely bad.

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      Hi Lazy– I haven’t been following too close. Can you tell me why you think this? Much appreciated

      • Tomcat

        Tax credits and health savings accounts will not do much to help people that don’t have EXTRA MONEY. Know anyone with EXTRA MONEY?

        • Lazycrockett

          CEO’s who can opt out.

        • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

          And they care? What’s with the attitude brah?

      • clay

        Four GOP Senators have already said to leave the Medicaid expansion alone, or else. But the draft ends it (but grandfathers the individuals, regardless of means) in 2020.

        • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

          Thank you.

    • Cuberly

      They actually wrote in reversals on any sort of limitation on health provider CEO pay.

      https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/838905519809118209

  • TampaDink

    So…just to review. Some of the “immigrant” passengers who were assigned to “steerage” cabins on the ocean liners arrived to earn less than what the slaves made? How can a person earn less than nothing?

    • Stogiebear

      Luckily, we have Donald Trump to answer that question.

      • TampaDink

        If only we didn’t. I could live without an answer to that question.

  • Paula

    Ben Carson has been nominated to be an honorary member of Jews for Hitler.

  • Ninja0980

    Just a daily reminder that just because someone is a doctor and is good in their one field doesn’t mean they aren’t a fucking idiot in everything else.

    • Talisman

      Is there any evidence that he was good even in that one field?

      • Lazycrockett

        The more Ben talks its more apparent that it’s not that difficult to separate conjoined twins.

        • Tomcat

          If he is so good lets see him separate Trump from his wallet.

      • Bryan

        Actually, I think Ben Carson himself is truly proof that Ben Carson is a brilliant Neurosurgeon. He’s so brilliant he was able to perform a brain transplant on himself.

        ….Unfortunately now the real Ben Carson is now a 49-y.o half-toothless vagrant with a gangrenous right foot living under that bridge by that house where you (royal you) live.

    • TheThruster

      No, he be bigly stoopid.

  • Dk6

    Trump team: “give Carson something stupid to say to distract from Russia.”
    “Oh wait, he’s fine on his own”

  • TJay229

    I am directing all comments to Samuel Jackson. He speaks my language.

    https://twitter.com/SamuelLJackson/status/838857880501641216

  • Paul

    Lemme guess…the Holocaust was a free train ride too?

    Wait I better not give him any more ideas…

  • tim870

    I’m sure his good friend Velvet Jesus told him that.

  • TuuxKabin

    A Richard Pryor album comes to mind.

    • Earl

      I was thinking Eddy Murphy.

  • houstonray
    • Bryan

      Now with 100% more Sir Patrick Stewart!

  • Paul

    Is this Trump’s way of distracting us from the Russia scandals?

    • No. This just just more ratbastard fuckery from the single most corrupt, unqualified, and unfit administration this country has ever seen.

      • Seriously, why the fuck does everyone keep claiming everything is a ‘distraction’? This is what the inside of a shit hurricane looks like.

        • Cattleya1

          Agreed – this is what you get when you have an administration of sociopaths and psychopaths who don’t feel the need to use code speak any more.

  • Just to be clear: Ben Carson also referred to the ACA and abortions as equal to slavery. But now he says slaves were merely ‘immigrants’.

    Something about the core concept of ‘slavery’ this demented, unqualified, and possibly brain-damaged motherfucker just doesn’t get.

  • Love her or hate her, you have to admit that Betsy DeVos has been remarkably efficient at rolling out her new nationwide history curriculum.

    • Tomcat

      Yes she is taking America back a number of years.

    • Dirk Prophet

      Lothe her or hate her…

    • kareemachan

      What is there to love about her? I’m waiting….

      And I would guess that she has some efficient underlings who do all the heavy lifting.

  • billbear1961
  • Mark

    They hand in him the mic – and he thinks its karoke……

  • Mark

    Carson just spent 3 days in Sears & Roebuck looking for the wheels to a miscarriage…. give him a break…..

  • kaydenpat

    What the ever living hell?!!!! I CANNOT. I JUST CANNOT.

  • Ninja0980

    Never forget, the only reason this asshole became a beloved darling of the right was because he insulted Obama at a prayer breakfast.
    Thus, no matter what stupid shit he says or does, the right won’t care because he is still a black man that “humiliated” Obama and that’s good enough for them.

  • bmoore4026

    Ooooooo, someone needs punching! Unleash Viola Davis!

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      And while they’re at it, offer this moron up some nice ‘chocolate’ pie.

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • RobynWatts

      Der Fukup Bigly

  • BearEyes

    I’m used to disconnected statements from Benedryl Carson, but this is a WTF moment.
    Looking for opportunity? really?
    I realise Carson, Devoss, Tillerson, etc are all sent in to destroy they agencies they’re nominated to head, but really WTF?

  • RobynWatts

    Wow, Ben, never knew that bullshit fact! That must have been on the same page as “Egyptian Pyramid Grain Elevators.”

  • jimbo65

    Anybody have a good Hemlock recipe handy? Some days I really don’t know how long I can handle this new world order. I jest (I think ).

    • TuuxKabin

      http://www.finalexitnetwork.org/About-Us.html

      From The Hemlock Society. A dying friend followed them, but died before he could ‘act.’

      Even in jest, it’s a resource to know about.

      • jimbo65

        Thanks Tuux. Even though I have occasional despair, I’m not quite suicidal yet. I do recall the Hemlock society. I’m all for death with dignity. It’s one of the third rails this society refuses to touch. From the religious standpoint only God and the NRA have the right to take your life. Ah well, …to dream of a more enlightened society someday.

        • TuuxKabin

          A shared dream, jimbo. Been dreaming it for so long. At least it’s sweet.

  • tbj5

    ACA replacement draft is out. Has an even bigger ‘penalty’ fee. GOP are hypocritical shits.

    https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/838904724464287744

    • GOP House plan: Take ACA. Leave all of the existing flaws and problems in it. Add roughly 3x more problems, drastically increase costs, reduce coverage, allow again for the sale of junk insurance, and impose their radical conservative ideologies on the entire country.

      • BobSF_94117

        You left out underfund the whole thing.

  • Natty Enquirer

    Off to a life of happiness and prosperity in the new land!!! Send for you after I make my first million, Binta. XOXO!
    http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2654602.1464620888!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/12903-0048-1-jpg.jpg

    • David L. Caster

      Tweet that out to Carson.

    • Lazycrockett

      but look what a little hard work and american opportunities get you.

      http://www.durfee.net/startrek/images/LaForge1.jpg

      /S

      • Natty Enquirer

        … plus 600 years of social progress.

        • Talisman

          Uhm…350 (ST:TNG is set in the 2360s). TOS is around 100 years before that.

          • DumbHairyApe

            I know- wtf is wrong with these earthlings?!?!? Sheez.
            LL&P

      • DumbHairyApe

        What? A dumbass looking pair of 80’s glasses???

    • Zeldacat

      My he was a hottie back then.

  • Paula

    The slavers were really social reformers. /s

    • Hunter M

      I was thinking more like travel agents.

  • Cuberly

    That was the most offensive, by far. But the crazy kept coming. FYI-neuroscientists are going WTF on this claim of Stabby’s.

    https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/838865084424290304

    • Ninja0980

      Get the net already!

    • Not to mention neurologically, that’s not how the brain actually works. Except for certain very rare individuals, we do NOT remember every single thing we’ve ever experienced, seen, or read.

      Seriously, it’s alarming for a so-called neurosurgeon to be this flat out wrong on the thing he spent decades performing surgeries upon.

      • Cuberly

        Reminds me of his behavior on the campaign trail, he had a bit of a gawd complex & loved to trot it out now and again.

        • Johnny Wyeknot

          He has a portrait of himself with White Jesus.

          • yes b’y

            Why is jebus in Trump’s bathrobe?

          • BobSF_94117

            Not sure, but it explains why Trump doesn’t have one.

          • DumbHairyApe

            That’s a Trump terrycloth hotel robe Jesus is wearing there, with that post cloital smile on his and Ben’s face.

          • Johnny Wyeknot

            Back from the sauna

  • TexasBoy

    No doubt he thinks that teens abducted here and taken to foreign countries for the sex trade are “immigrants.”

    • clay

      No doubt he thinks that teens abducted elsewhere and brought here for the sex trade ought to be deported as illegals.

  • rednekokie

    Too bad this nitwit wasn’t one of the “immigrants” in the bowels of a slave ship.
    Perhaps (but I doubt) some sense might have been beat into his thick skull.

  • BlueberriesForMe

    I’ll wait for Rick Perry’s first “official announcement” to see who will be the winner of the stupidest/absolutely ignorant/alternative fact spewer award but I think Ben’s got it in the bag with this one. Of course, there’s always the lovely Betsy DeVos to consider.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      I’m Thinking a three-way tie.

  • I think I love the attached graphic.

    https://twitter.com/mcspocky/status/838643241331347456

    • Bryan

      The hair is almost perfect.

    • billbear1961

      I’ve always been afraid of clowns!

      The Town Clown terrified me when I was 4, 5, 6 years old!

      • Bj Lincoln

        They have always creeped me out. My son is scared to death of them. When he got older, we watched that S. King film ‘It’ and about pissed ourselves. LOL

        • billbear1961

          My mom is terrified of birds; so, it was never easy to get her to watch the Hitchcock film.

          🙂

          • DumbHairyApe

            Orniphobia??? Didn’t now there was such a thing.

          • Canadian Observer

            It is a lot more common than you thing, I have met three sufferers myself – the worst was a young woman who used to detour about 1.5km to avoid having to go through a pedestrian underpass beneath the railway mainline (which runs right through downtown Calgary)… pigeons would roost in the rafters supporting the train tracks and she would freak out every time one launched itself out from its roost.

          • DumbHairyApe

            I like birds. I have never had one as a pet, but I have had them perch on my fingers when offering them food. It takes a lot of patience and persistence, but you can have birds land in your hand to eat seed or syrup from your hand. Probably not a good idea for an orniphobist.

          • Earl

            Those shit hawks are evil man. One of them got me in my eye, here in Edmonton when I was bike riding under one of those overpasses. 🙁

          • Treant

            My cousin is also terrified of birds and she refuses to watch that movie.

      • DumbHairyApe

        That reminds me, did you blow Bubbles when you were a kid?

        • DumbHairyApe

          Because he’s back in town and asking for you.

    • Menergy

      I unfortunately read that as COITUS…….ack

  • andrew

    Ben Carson has undermined my confidence in the medical profession. If a total idiot like him can become a respected neurosurgeon, we should run for our lives. I wouldn’t let him trim my nails.

    • McSwagg

      It seems to me that he is the perfect “Doctor Image” for “TrumpCare”.

  • MichaelJ

    Ben Carson is crazy, but unfortunately so are so many right-wingers. Not content with rolling back the 20th century, they will start trying to roll back the 19th century. Perhaps some will start advocating the formal reconstitution of slavery, or at least indentured servitude, where for the crime of being poor people will be forced to serve as the property of others. Or in the spirit of making everyone an entrepreneur, people will be encouraged or even required to sell themselves into slavery in order to pay off their debts.

    Nothing coming out of the right would surprise me at this point.

    • billbear1961

      Some on the right have already suggested prisoners be made to do slave labour.

      There’s biblical precedent, apparently.

      God, I hate these SAVAGES!!

      • clay

        Not just suggested. There’s a new class action lawsuit by people held for deportation at private prisons who were forced into slave labor.

        • billbear1961

          I saw something about that–you’re right!

          🙁

          Wasn’t there just something today or yesterday in the news?

      • stuckinthewoods

        There’s a very strong historical precedent. After the Civil War the developing iron industry of Alabama relied on convict labor, mining and smelting under brutal conditions. It was common for the cops to round men up on false charges and the court system abetted selling them to the industry. I noticed that one of the big industrialist names was Huckabee. This is an excellent book on the subject:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_by_Another_Name

  • billbear1961

    Trump University Case May Not Be Closed After All

    “President Trump’s postelection agreement to pay $25 million appeared to settle the fraud claims arising from his defunct for-profit education venture, Trump University. But a former student is now asking to opt out of the settlement, a move that, if permitted, could put the deal in jeopardy,” the New York Times reports.

    “If the judge, Gonzalo Curiel, decides that [the student] and potentially others should have that chance, legal experts say it could disrupt the settlement because Mr. Trump and his lawyers saw the deal as a way to resolve all of the claims, once and for all, to avoid a trial and distractions to his presidency.”

    https://politicalwire.com/2017/03/06/trump-university-case-may-not-closed-yet/

    Pound the vile bastard into the ground!

    • clay

      Yes, but I had a scare when I read your headline as:
      Trump University May Not Be Closed After All
      and thought it might have to do with Falwell, jr.

      • billbear1961

        You’ve got to be really careful when you read headlines these days.

        I always brace myself before I check the day’s stories.

    • Bj Lincoln

      I hope Drumpf goes to jail for ripping those people off. I also hope those people who were stupid enough to spend everything they had learned something.

    • Robincho

      And NOT in the good way…

  • fuzzybits

    I guess if you’re going to lie,you may as well make it a batshit crazy lie.

  • dcurlee

    Uncle Tom knows nothing about black folks……or history

  • greenmanTN

    I want to see him make that statement in front of the NAACP. I no longer believe the story that Carson was a “world-renowned” brain surgeon. It’s just PR, because nobody that fucking stupid could attain the level of skill attributed to him.

    • My money is still on “picked up a prion-based brain degeneration disease from one of the hundreds of brains he operated upon.”

      • Natty Enquirer

        Because he took a little nip from every brainstem that he snipped?

      • greenmanTN

        Prions are interesting things, aren’t they? All because some dingleberry got the bright idea, “Hey, you know all that waste material left over after the slaughter/rendering? Let’s turn it into feed and make farm animals into cannibals!”

    • JT

      Brain surgery is technique based like being a car mechanic. High intelligence not required.

      • greenmanTN

        I have known many people in the health care profession. You would think that just the sheer rote memorization in med school, the grueling pace of that and later residency, would be beyond someone who thinks pyramids were grail silos and slaves CHOSE to come here to improve their lot in life.

        He could have some form of early onset dementia I guess, because otherwise I can’t make the two things compute.

        • Bj Lincoln

          I have found that most people in the medical profession are so busy they don’t have a clue what is going on outside of it. Everything not related to their profession was forgotten, ignored, neglected and not pertinent.

          • McSwagg

            His “religion” filled in all the rest. That explains everything about this moron.

        • stuckinthewoods

          When I was in grad school we had to run labs for the med students. The professors told us to leave nothing unexplained, that med students’ skill was to memorize and ours was to think.

    • Bj Lincoln

      He is an embarrassment to Johns Hopkins and Baltimore. He started pushing his religious crap and saying stupid shit like this. That’s why he ‘retired’.

  • Acronym Jim

    To be fair to Carson, I have no doubt that most of those “immigrants” were pursuing prosperity and happiness…right up to the day they were kidnapped by slave traders and sold overseas.

    Frankly, I’m surprised this idiot didn’t refer to them as “imports.”

    • Natty Enquirer

      Why, as Jefferson Beauregard himself will tell you, they were nothing less than the lucky recipients of Southern Hospitality.

      • which is why i say to Jayuff: “Bless your heart.”

        • Bj Lincoln

          Ouch. Good one

  • JT
    • MBear

      So..if he said that Obamacare was the worst thing that happened since slavery, and slavery was merely immigration…people looking (and finding!) a better land for their families…then he’s saying Obamacare is awesome…?!?

  • wow. this is like a Simpsons episode. this guy is a high level official?

    he needs a new job as principal of the Springfield school system, or maybe he can work with Dr. Hibbard helping grandpa get his noodles back.

  • Lazycrockett

    This Anthony Scummmarchi guy on MSNBC is basically saying that for the next 4 years its the press and the peoples responsibility to heap praise on Drump daily.

    • Sam_Handwich

      he’s a bad used car salesman

      and he knows it

      hayes needs to grow a set

    • Bryan

      Tell him to fellate fecal matter.

    • Tomcat

      Well this one people is going to give him the same respect Obama got from them.

  • MikeBx2
    • Bj Lincoln

      Yes. LOL

  • Bj Lincoln

    I’m guessing not one of his relatives were slaves or even bothered to watch ‘Roots’ to learn a little about slaves. We toured a slave ship docked at the Inner Harbor a few years ago. I was in tears before we got on the ship. I love history but that is the hardest part for me. I can’t not understand how humans can treat other humans like that. Through the ages, humans have had slaves but we treated ours worse than any other culture. Part of why I left christianity was because it condoned slavery. The more I learned about US history the farther I got and more I protested against all christian based religions. Black people should shun and shame this man for saying this.

  • octobercountry

    OMG, he is a complete idiot. Words fail me.

    • DumbHairyApe

      Only because the Donald stole everyone’s best words and now he has all the best words.

  • Jezuz… while Cheeto Hitler and his gang of fascist thugs want us all to be terrorized by imaginary threats from Muslim visitors, immigrants, and refugees, North Korea apparently wants an actual nuclear war.

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/838921478439600128

    • Natty Enquirer

      They’re trolling again.

      • clay

        but this time they have a target that will react badly

    • Tomcat

      If it is a fight they want just call him a stupid asshole idiot.
      He will then tell you he is not all that stupid and attack you.

    • BobSF_94117

      Practicing and trying are two very different things.

  • SoCalGal20

    Pickup drove by me today flying the Gadsden flag

    • Michael R
    • greenmanTN

      During the whole South Carolina Confederate flag debate, I would see pick-up trucks around here with nearly bedsheet sized Confederate flags trailing behind them. I was appalled of course, but also a little glad because it was like a giant neon sign advertising “I am a complete and utter asshole, so avoid me at all costs.”

      • Robincho

        By their stars and their bars shall ye know them…

    • Bryan

      There’s one around here with the Gadsden on one side and the US flag on the other, dunno where the guy is and don’t want to know. Fuck ’em, fuck ’em hard.

      Semi-off-topic, really disappointed in UCSD and the latest round of bullshit that popped up there. Tritons are supposed to be goddamned better than this. As an alum I wanna know who the fuck did this and what’s being done about it.

      Edit: For the curious – http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/322232-student-posts-muslim-internment-style-posters-on-uc-campus#.WLnQLLBgvGc.twitter

      • SoCalGal20

        That’s disgusting, compounded by the fact that it was just the 75th anniversary of the order.

        • Bryan

          Probably a feature rather than a bug. I don’t have words, I’d say to the person to take a flying fucking leap off the top of Geisel but why sully a nice library with human waste like that? They should do it into the ravine by Blacks Cliff instead. Just make sure the splat isn’t near our damn nudist beach. I wonder if the person who did it was there back when I still was…probably not but my *interest’s been piqued.
          *-Insane Blood Rage

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I think we should start putting out snake recipes or a flag that has someone eating a bowl of snakes like someone eats Cheerios.

      • McSwagg

        Just make it a “Taco Bowl”

  • Lazycrockett
  • This is the behavior of a man who knows goddamned well he’s guilty of treason.

    https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/838925285147951104

    Donald was asking DNI Clapper for a preemptive exoneration from the allegations in the Steele dossier which had not even been fully investigated.

    The retired three-star general and career intelligence officer also revealed for the first time that days after briefing the President-Elect in Trump Tower on Jan. 6 about Russian attempts to influence the U.S. 2016 election, Trump in a phone call asked Clapper to rebut a dossier compiled by a British former MI-6 spy, Christopher Steele, for a Washington private intelligence firm which gathered derogatory information for Trump political opponents.

    Details of the dossier had begun to leak out after the Jan. 6 briefing, in which FBI Director James Comey informed Trump of the file’s existence as a warning that the Kremlin might try to use it.

    “His main concern was, I think he asked me to put out a rebuttal or repudiation of the dossier which I couldn’t do and didn’t,” Clapper told ABC News in the interview on Monday. “I had no way of validating, at the time corroborating the information in it. Some of the second and third order sources that were used in that we could not corroborate and I told him that.”

    Instead, Clapper released a statement on Jan. 11 which fell far short of what Trump had asked for, according to a senior official who confirmed Clapper’s story. The Clapper statement in January said only that he told the president-elect, “This document [the Steele dossier] is not a U.S. Intelligence Community product and that I do not believe the leaks came from within the IC.”

    • another_steve

      Trump is in a downward spiral, if not to impeachment then to public disgrace.

      • MBear

        why not both? we could have a sale

        • Earl

          I’ll bake cookies for such a sale. If you accept foreign funds.

          • MBear

            Loonies & toonies!

          • Earl

            And Bear Claws, Oh My!

    • BobSF_94117

      Pity Clapper didn’t disclose Trump’s request. Trump wasn’t the president yet, he had even less right to ask for anything.

  • DumbHairyApe

    Well, if we hadn’t assisted them to immigrate to our country they would have just continued to be slaves working on the grain storage pyramids in Egypt.

    • another_steve

      Lol.

      And I assure you… Ben Carson is one of the relative intellects in the Trump Administration.

  • JCF

    OT: Robert Osborne died. :-(… Such a very humane man—and so delightful to hear talking about movies! RIP.

    • greenmanTN

      Awww. I hate to hear that. I liked his intros to the TCM movies.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup and he was the new voice on Disney’s Hollywood Studio Ride.
        Great man who enjoyed his work.

  • DumbHairyApe

    Were it not for the safety of his prospective patients, I really do wish he would go back to brain surgery.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Tacoma narrows bridge geekery on Rachel

    • DumbHairyApe

      Galloping Gurty?

    • DumbHairyApe

      OT: I think I saw Jalepeño_Business tweeting someplace about how he had an unpresidented landslide victory of your losing campaign. SAD.

      And, were it not for the many dozens of illegal votes you got from the imported condiments he would have easily won the popular vote too.

      • Sam_Handwich

        What? Last I heard Jalepeño was holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy licking a topless Putin poster.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Is he f*cking crazy?

    • DumbHairyApe

      I’m pretty sure you can say “fucking” in here.

      • Sam_Handwich

        watch your fucking mouth you big hairy ape!

        • DumbHairyApe

          You should watch it- while you’re aiming for it!

          • Treant

            Oooh, innuendo fight! Innuendo fight!

        • Tomcat

          Was that the x rated version from planet of the apes?

      • DumbHairyApe

        Actually, having looked around this room, I’m pretty sure not only can you say it in here, but there are some who do it in here.

        • another_steve

          As a fervent foe of language and thought censorship, I’ve analyzed the JMG situation and have determined that there are only two forbidden words.

          Nĭgger and cŭnt.

          Of course, if you’re truly devious you can use diacritical marks (as above) and get past the George Orwellian “1984” JMG thought-censorship algorithm.

          • DumbHairyApe

            Extra points for “diacritical”!

          • another_steve

            Thank you. I graduated from university magna cum laude.

            My mama was quite proud of me.

          • DumbHairyApe

            She may have not been talking about your intellect.

          • Robincho

            People who cum laude should avoid thin walls, so there’s not a shanda for the neighbors…

          • Silver Badger

            Joe gives much and asks little. Those who can’t follow a few simple requests should really go elsewhere.

          • another_steve

            Bull. Shit.

            Joe should know better.

          • Silver Badger

            We must agree to disagree on this one.

          • Sam_Handwich

            i blame the j00z

          • another_steve

            Lolol.

            You always crack me up, Sam. 😉

        • Treant

          Some of us do it or like to watch, depending on how we feel at that time.

          Occasionally, I like to do it right in the same spot somebody else just did it.

          • DumbHairyApe

            See? We’re all just slightly evolved Bonobos.

          • Treant

            Who are you calling slightly evolved? I’m full on Bonobo, thank you very much. 🙂

          • Robincho

            The wet spot?…

    • Tomcat

      As long as you are not trying to stir up people like a troll does it is acceptable as 1 st amendment.

    • MBear

      ordained by god to be president…oh…wait

  • JCF

    OT (again): ROFL! Rachel Maddow’s gf Susan thought the (former) Trump Tower in Baku, Azerbaijan looked rather, um, vaginal: Rachel: “Paging Georgia O’Keefe!”

    Here it is:

    https://www.emc-re.com/images/projects/Case_Study_48_-_Trump_Tower_in_Baku.jpg

    • JCF

      The story here, if I can summarize: this is Yet Another Case of the Drumpf Org being a front company for ill-gotten goods (in this case, the Iranian National Guard! 😮 ). Which is, need I mention, Oh-So-Illegal under U.S. law…

      • DumbHairyApe

        Though honestly, shouldn’t he first be indicted and prosecuted and convicted for making shitty ties?

        • -M-

          We need an explanation of the scotch tape.

          • perversatile

            ‘TopStick’ -for keeping your wig stuck to your head and much more.

    • MBear

      Is that what a vagina looks like?

      Lack of landscaping means the style is “brazilian”?

      • DumbHairyApe

        I’m not sure.

      • jefe5084

        I think it’s a suppository for a big orangeish ass.

    • Hue-Man

      I thought it was a knock-off of the Gherkin but it’s somewhat less phallic. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/10b959b16d2a415333df52d5eb48f24e916a3ea547554af23cc2a08e97a85f6f.jpg

  • BobSF_94117

    Well, someone only managed to watch the last episode of Roots…

  • Canadian Observer

    No one this stupid should be alive. They should have died of a bowel blockage a long time to go, being too stupid to realize it was time to shit.

  • BobSF_94117

    Isn’t it kinda odd that he’s giving a speech on immigrants seeking a better life when one of Trump’s priorities is closing public services, especially housing and food stamps, to immigrants, both illegal and legal?

    • another_steve

      Closing public services to non-Christian immigrants, Bob.

  • MBear

    So…is he going to backpedal? Try to explain what he was trying to express? Or is he just going to ignore it and hope it goes away…?

    Let’s watch?

    Oh, and sidenote…? The ‘drill a holl your head’ comment? Yeaaaahhhh…fuck that. Ain’t lettin that *sshole anywhere near my skull with a drill, gotit?

    • DumbHairyApe

      In his case it will be blackpedal.

      • MBear

        “ignorant” is not a skin colour

        • DumbHairyApe

          Agreed! But, he’s going to have to answer to the black community (in particular though EVERYONE should see his choice of words as obscene) for his bizarre, racist choice of words. It makes NO sense and excuses the vile crime of slavery. Hell, I’m one who believes the American government should actually pay reparations to black Americans for allowing and promoting the practice of slavery. It’s an abomination on our country…though certainly not the only one we’ve had.

    • -M-

      I think his m/o is ignore or even crazier explanation of how he was right and you misunderstood.

  • Ninja0980

    O/T but if folks wonder why I haven’t been on as much, hubby just gone done with a major project and I just gone done with one as well so we’ve been enjoying (other then this weekend) the nice weather and other things as well;)

  • Thorn Spike

    It’s horrifying that this person was allowed to perform surgery on young children’s brains.

    • DumbHairyApe

      You know what they say, you are what you work on.

    • BobSF_94117

      He must be some sort of idiot savant.

      • Thorn Spike

        You’re half right.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    I don’t care who you are, this is ludicrous. If I had bought his autobiography, I would be either throwing into the garbage can or into the fireplace.

  • Sam_Handwich

    ben’s the short&curly in the fruit salad of our lives.

    https://youtu.be/5uXj_ZbX8so?t=2

  • Moebym the Persistent Returner

    Making excuses for slavery makes you a monster.

    • Ben in Oakland

      It’s not an excuse, it’s an alternate…

      Reality.

  • SoCalGal20

    This woman is a Democrat and is planning to run against Jason Chaffetz!

    https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/181376/the-us-congress-needs-a-caring-physician

    Her twitter is @kathrynallenmd

    • Ninja0980

      Gerrymandering will hurt her though.. damn shame too, Chaffetz needs to go.

      • Sam_Handwich

        i think a lot of Mormons are thoroughly embarrassed by Trump, and probably Chaffetz too

        • MBear

          They should be embarrased for being mormon

          • DumbHairyApe

            Hello.

      • SoCalGal20

        If McMullin runs against Chaffetz then he could maybe split the R vote allowing Kathryn to win. Or she could maybe pull enough disgruntled voters from Chaffetz to allow McMullin to win.

        Anyway, it’s important for Dems to run quality candidates even in places like Utah so I’m all for it.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          I do think McMullin should run for something though preferably for a position that would never go Dem but has a very repulsive Putin-loving GOPer.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Awesome. I’ll pop a few bucks in.

  • houstonray

    Anyone had time to read the details on “Republicare” or “Trumpcare” or whatever it’s going to be called? I’m surprised it’s not being more widely reported, though I’m fine with the Russia story remaining on the news cycle but it seems like there was a just a shitstorm of potentially bad news today, the new EO on immigration, this asinine comment by McStabby, the ACA replacement, etc.

    • Sam_Handwich

      from the reports i’ve read, it doesn’t sound like anything that can get traction in the senate

      • houstonray

        Good, I want it to go down in a flaming pile of disdain from every corner of the country…

      • SoCalGal20

        I think there’s already like 5 Senate Rs who don’t like it.

      • DumbHairyApe

        Even with all those monster trucks flying the stars and bars?

    • Natty Enquirer

      “UnitedHealthKaiserWellpointAetnaCare”

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        There’s only ever been one republican plan – “WeDon’tCare”

    • Helen Damnation 🍑™

      I read a lot of it: one big clusterfuck which fails on its face, with no semblance of business intelligence to be found.

    • Weirdly enough, it is looking like Senate Republicans know the House proposal is irredeemably awful and unworkable, not to mention completely fiscally irresponsible.

      For some reason, they’re aware of the fact that if the bill were to pass and be signed into law, come 2018 — the mid-terms — millions of Americans would suddenly be uninsured and others seeing 2-3x premium increases for plans that suddenly turned into crap insurance again.

    • SoCalGal20

      It spends SIX PAGES discussing how states can save money by disqualifying lottery winners from Medicaid.

  • Jerry Kott

    When you think these fuck heads have reached the end of their chain, they always manage to inform you there is still space left to redefine reality.
    Everyday this madness compounds itself and seems to be limitless..

  • houstonray

    Lawrence O’Donnell is giving a blistering anti-trump monologue right now…

    • Sam_Handwich

      ‘the most dangerous elected official in the world”

      • Natty Enquirer

        Friday: “The most reckless liar in the history of American politics.”

        • Friday

          I did not actually say that, but I stand by it. 🙂 Actually I might have said that. But it would have been either fancier or more rude and I don’t like to play favorites.

          • Natty Enquirer

            First it’s the rice. Now it’s the quote. I can’t help it that you named yourself after Freya’s Day. 😉

    • Helen Damnation 🍑™

      Always watching him, after Rachel. He has the most vociferous attitude and clear perspective about Trump. He “fucking loathes him”.

      • houstonray

        I’m kind of new to him…but LOVE him. He is pretty awesome.

        • He’s a pretty cool guy.

          Did you know he used to be a producer and writer for ‘The West Wing’?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_O'Donnell

          • houstonray

            Wow, I didn’t know that. No wonder he writes such great opening statements each night. Plus I love the cadence in his voice when he speaks.

    • another_steve

      Heard it. Boy has obviously been unleashed.

      MSNBC has apparently decided to go for the gold.

      Good for them. 🙂

      • SoCalGal20

        Apparently he had the #1 news show in histimeslot on Friday.

        • another_steve

          With all due respect to MSNBC, the dollar bill rules.

          If O’Donnell brings in the dollar bills, he’ll be set free.

  • Robert Adams

    There is the house and the field. Old Ben is really committed to the house, it seems.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      HUD

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Natty Enquirer

      Acid rain would have prevented that.

    • DumbHairyApe

      Where’s a good Midwest Chipnado when you need one?

      • Natty Enquirer

        Looks like about a 4 on the Fajita Scale.

    • houstonray

      Winter Storm Guacamole?

    • Robincho

      Has TimCA been made aware of this?…

    • McSwagg

      The pit is appropriately located over “Redneckistan”.

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    Is there no one serving in this cabinet that I DON’T want to throw from a train?

    • Ross

      No.

  • Friday

    Uncle Ben’s Cabin?

    • Natty Enquirer

      Stay away from the rice.

      • Friday

        It actually was an improvement on Minute Rice when I was a kid, so that’s no intended disparagement of the associated brand name, I guess. If it’s still around.

    • Sam_Handwich

      uncle ben’s crabbin

  • Talisman

    Lawrence: Is the dumpster crazy?

    Personally, I think it’s the beginnings of Alzheimer’s.

    • houstonray

      I love that people in the media keep bringing up the 25th Amendment…and his guest tonight said, paraphrasing here, that we need the Woodward and Bernstein of today to report on this BEFORE he’s out of office, BEFORE our country is driven off the cliff, do it NOW, don’t wait to publish a book about how unstable Trump was, tell us how unstable he IS.

    • Friday

      I’d say more like ‘second stage.’

    • The deputy editor of the WSJ editorial page asked the same question the other day in a subsequently deleted tweet, whether Donald was genuinely mentally ill.

      Doesn’t matter so much when we commoners say it, but when it’s being debated openly on national media and by political leaders, it becomes a big deal.

  • DumbHairyApe

    I’m surprised he hasn’t yet said the Jews in Hitler’s Germany volunteered to be bakers. (too soon?)

    • Sam_Handwich

      well they have to save something good for friday afternoon.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Terribly OT: A couple living in Japan rescue a cat and take it home.

    https://youtu.be/393jPL8fkxc

    • Sam_Handwich

      i like Poki’s spirit

    • Natty Enquirer

      It IS possible to train cats. I had two of them and they were not spoiled brats like this one.

      • Sam_Handwich

        poki seems like he may have been feral. they are tough nuts to crack

        • fuzzybits

          We have two outside we feed. One hisses at you and then he wants his head rubbed.

          • stuckinthewoods

            yah, I think I dated him once.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Some of the commenters speculate about whether or not Poki was owned before.

      • another_steve

        I have over 40 years of cat experience.

        You cannot train them.

        They train you.

      • TonberryPi

        That’s the cat-loving brain parasite talking. And this is also my cat-loving brain parasite typing this reply. 🙂

      • Treant

        I managed. It’s more of you making the activity something the cat either wants or does not want to do (depending on what you’re shooting for) than actually training the cat. I trained mine out of sitting on my chair when I wanted to be there by sitting on the edge and scooting back a bit at a time. It became a little uncomfortable for the cat, and he’d move. I’d scoot. And so on. Eventually, I’d go to sit down and he’d leave the chair.

    • fuzzybits

      Yea fools,like that latch will work. Signed, Poki

    • fuzzybits
    • Ross

      I have had some experience with feral cats.

      One such story.

      CAVEAT: It is a long story.

      For a long time, I thought I saw him before I knew I saw him.

      Just before going to bed each night I would look out through the front window – the nightly ritual. How many species of creatures might be nibbling up the last remnants of food left earlier on the porch for the stray cats? It seemed silly but I loved this late night thrill of expectation.

      Then one night there was an unfamiliar gray/white long-hair creature. Was it a cat? Before I could focus my eyes the creature made a dash into the dark.

      This went on for months. I never saw The Blur during the day and no matter how quiet I was while tip-toeing up to the window, The Blur would hear and off it went into the dark.

      One night I was visiting my friend Christina across the street. When I left her house I froze about ten feet from her front door. A miracle had revealed itself. On my porch across the street I saw The Blur eating away. He didn’t seem to register noise across the street. I was immobilized and fascinated. The Blur was definitely a cat! Where had he come from? How long had he (or she?) been eating on my porch? I crept closer and closer and The Blur still hadn’t fled. When I was in the middle of the street The Blur’s head snapped up, looked right at me, and was gone.

      In slow incremental bits of effort over many months another miracle happened. The Blur would actually stay nearby as I put out some wet cat food just for him. I’d see his eyes glowing in the dark. In time, I’d move from the food, go inside, but stop just on the other side of the glass storm door. And wait. And wait. The glowing eyes in the dark would inch by slow inch make their way towards the porch. My heart would be pounding. Then The Blur would pause for a long time just staring at the food. And at me. But he was visible. One day he put a paw on the porch step – my breathing instantly stopped – and then another paw, before hopping onto to the porch. I dared not blink even. He paused, stared at me, then at the small plate of food, and then inched in slow motion toward the plate. He devoured the wet, tasty treat all the while making quick glances to see if I was still there.

      The Blur obviously required a new name, and White Paws it became. He was mostly a gray/white longhair but his paws were white. Or sorta white. He looked dirty, unkempt, and totally feral.

      One night, rather than going behind the protective glass storm door, I only backed away from the plate of food and knelt down. White Paws inched from the cover of night and to the porch steps. Then he stared at me. And stared, and stared. I made not a move. Apparently he decided that food was more alluring than the danger of my presence and he came onto the porch and slow-motioned to the plate, eyeing me the whole time.

      I remained motionless except for a great smile stretched across my face. My heart was pounding, too, but I don’t think that White Paws could detect this.

      A week later I repeated this now familiar effort except I didn’t back away from the plate of food. I did kneel though. As if on cue, White Paws came into view, made his way to the porch step, and waited for me to back away. I didn’t. White Paws kept looking between the food and me. You could tell that he really wanted that food. If the price was my presence at the dinner table, so be it apparently, and White Paws, with great trepidation, inched his way to the plate. About a foot away he stopped, crouched, and stared at me. Or perhaps glared at me. I was frozen except I said: “It’s OK. It’s OK,” over and over in my very best calm voice. Then slowly, almost imperceptibly, he crept towards the plate. And began to hungrily eat. “Its’ OK. It’s OK.” When he finished he bolted.

      I felt a tremendous sense of victory and wondered if this is what it was like to, say, win an Academy Award? Surely the experience was identical?

      I would never have predicted when first seeing The Blur that I’d be able to actually pet him but in a surprisingly short time after White Paws joined me for a late dinner this assumption was proved incorrect. After a week of just squatting next to the food plate while White Paws ate I slowly extended my hand out and very gently brushed his neck. He instantly stopped eating. I pulled my hand away. He did not look up. He did not run.

      I resumed a gentle brushing. He didn’t seem to notice so I kept brushing. My heart was racing. When White Paws finished eating (or, rather, devouring), he looked at me, and bolted.

      Well, a beginning had been made. I thought about the many Star Trek episodes regarding the dangers of First Contact and was relieved that our introduction did not erupt into an interstellar conflagration.

      So began my daily brushing of White Paws. Then one day, after he finished eating, he startled me by simply laying down on his side with a thump. I brushed his side. He rolled onto his back. Now my heart really did stop. This was an astonishing, extraordinary act on his part. He had made himself wholly vulnerable. I petted and brushed his belly. He curled up and flexed his paws in pleasure. I couldn’t believe it. Nope, this was no feral cat. This had once been a pet. A beloved pet. What, I could only wonder, had happened to bring about such a drastic reduction in his lifestyle? How long had he been abandoned? How did he find me? Or was he dumped into my neighborhood?

      These were all questions I knew would never be answered.

      From that day on you would have thought that White Paws had been born in my hands. He proved incredibly loving. He adored Christina even more and flirted with her outrageously. He took to following her whenever she was outside and would brush up against her legs. If she indicated even the slightest attention towards White Paws he’d throw himself on his back to fully reveal his warm, fur-covered belly.

      This addition to the not-mine cat population came with downsides. White Paws was clearly not well; he had massively enlarged lymph glands and was never clean (a sick cat stops cleaning itself). I assumed feline AIDS or leukemia. Or maybe just cat cooties. Or all three. His long fur helped disguise how sick he was but on occasion – fool that I am – I took to giving him a bath and was always shocked by how scarily skinny he proved while wet. After drying him off though he took obvious pleasure in being clean and looking so much more presentable to all decent society. In time, he learned to take baths with a sorta kinda somewhat calm resignation.

      White Paws was also a pisser. A world-class pisser. He sprayed all the time and on all things. I once took bags of groceries from the car, put them on the driveway, and went to the other side of the car to get the rest. When I picked up the first bags, White Paws had gotten to them. I hadn’t even seen him.

      My car tires were always marked, so, too, was my glass screen door, the bottom twelve inches of my entire house, everything inside the garage, and every clay pot in the garden. From a certain perspective (not mine, I assure you) it was all rather impressive. Here was a cat who REALLY wanted to mark his territory. I pretty sure cats in the neighboring three counties even knew: White Paws was here.

      You would think that this odorous, exceedingly unattractive habit of the boy would have made me run him off but I couldn’t help but feel I had given refuge to a very scared and very sick creature. In time he even plumped up, and the occasional bath assured his looking spiffy. It was also hard not to take joy in his absolute joy over being petted and fondled and having his tail pulled.

      So, I did get a lot of selfish pleasure in having White Paws around. The price was pee.

      Would White Paws make it through the winter? He was so terribly skinny and so obviously unhealthy; I just assumed bitter cold would kill him off. Of course, this would resolve the problem of his Olympian-class spraying but I had grown fond of the rascal.

      I also knew that dirty fur was much less able to insulate than clean fur, and White Paws, no matter his occasional bath, was normally a dirty cat. The trick, therefore, was one of timing. I had to get him clean before it grew bitter cold but not too much before. With any other cat I could bath, fluff with a towel, and keep them inside until they were fully dry. This was not possible with White Paws though. As soon as he was toweled, outside he was ushered. STAT. To leave him inside for even five minutes would mean that my half my kitchen would be, ah, scented.

      You see, timing. I had to get him clean just before the bitter cold set in but while it was still warm enough that I could scoot his still-damp self outside without assuring pneumonia.

      This proved just one of two problems. The second concern was my conviction that he just wouldn’t make through a winter no matter how downy clean.

      A solution was offered by happenstance.

      For several years I had kept a heated water bowl in the front yard during the winter. The many creatures, including birds, seemed deeply grateful for this shimmering pool of liquid refreshment in an otherwise frozen, ice-covered world.

      Then one night, just before I went to bed, I did my standard peek out the window to see that all was well on the front porch and yard. Just as I started to turn away a curious sight captured my attention. The heated water bowl was not full of the expected shimmering H2O but rather grayish fur.

      I blinked. What? Huh?

      I put some shoes and a jacket on, crept outside, and soon realized the answer to the curious sight: White Paws was curled inside the obviously dry but still heated bowl. He was deeply asleep and even my footsteps had not waken the boy.

      As I stood pondering this unexpected situation a huge smile crossed my face and a joyous feeling filled my chest.

      White Paws was OK!

      I crept back inside.

      The next day I purchased another heated water bowl and hooked it up inside the garage. It should be noted however that the garage was unlike most garages. When people think garage they envision a neat structure akin to something that Ward Cleaver might have had. My garage though was more Ma and Pa Kettle. It was entirely built from salvaged materials and there was a precarious lean – a sort of low-rise, wooden Tower of Pisa. There were two huge doors on side hinges and which, because of the lean, did not even remotely close tight when shut. The walls were 12-inch wide vertical boards and each had a space between them through which wind could howl through, and did. The roof however, God bless it, kept the rain away. Mostly.

      These structural issues notwithstanding the garage seemed better than my front yard as a place to offer some protection for White Paws.

      I took several old doors stored inside the garage and arranged them in a U-shape. This, I figured, would create an oasis against the prevailing north wind. Inside the U, I placed the heated water bowl. My truly brilliant (Ok, truly crazy) idea was to suspend a heat lamp over the bowl for additional warming radiations.

      Thus outfitted, I nonetheless grew worried. Would White Paws even find this heavenly spa? If so, would he use it? I had never known him to use the garage except as target practice.

      That first night, just before I went to bed, I tip-toed into the yard. A fierce snowstorm was raging, the ground was covered with a thick, virginal blanket of snow, the wind howled, denuded trees shook ominously overhead, and the temperature was teeth chattering.

      I pressed my face against a small window on the side of the garage. About six feet away, and under the glowing circle of light from the heat lamp, lay the water bowl – filled with gray fur in a tight ball.

      My heart erupted into song. A smile stretched wide and nearly cracked my cold face.

      At that moment, I experienced a level of elation so great that one would have thought I had just ushered in world peace rather than merely create some comfort for a sick cat on a cold night. But spectacularly elated I was.

      I tip-toed back to the house across the brilliant white landscape, utterly suffused with happiness.

      There may be, I knew, terrible things happening across the globe, but in rural Kansas, on that night, and in a leaning, derelict garage, was one happy – and warm – creature of God.

      I am pleased to announce that White Paws survived that winter. Each night, my final ritual was tip-toeing out to the garage window. This effort was always rewarded with the sight of a tightly curled ball of gray fur. Occasionally, White Paws would hear me and his head would jerk up in my direction. I would wave my cold fingers, and he would stare a few moments, then shove his head back into the curl of himself and the warmth of the bowl.

      As I tip-toed back my heart always felt brilliantly joyous.

      Could it be possible that there was a better way to end a day? I suspect not.

      On occasion my nightly ritual was met with some unexpected surprises. During a particularly bitter night I peered through the window and another cat was snug against the outside of the bowl, asleep, as was White Paws inside the bowl. It had not occurred to me that the outside of the bowl would also radiate warmth. Because snow could, and did, drift into the garage on windy days, the whole would be covered by a blanket of white. Except for a bare circle around the bowl, a dividend of the heat lamp. So, between the lamp and the bowl, the oasis of warmth extended to about a foot away from the bowl in a perfect circle.

      One night White Paws was kept company by another cat and two small opossums. You can image my feeling of joy on that occasion.

      Not once did I peer into the window to find the bowl empty of White Paws, although during the day when I sighted him on his daily walkabout I would sometimes run back to the garage, peer in, and invariably find another cat in the bowl. Never once though did I see another cat in the bowl and White Paws outside the bowl.

      The boy was nothing if not highly, successfully territorial.

      During the day when White Paws was in his warm oasis I would enter the garage, kneel down, and run my hands along his furry body. Damn, he was hot! It was a surreal experience that, amidst bitter cold and icy conditions, he would be hot to the touch, like a pizza just out of the oven.

      He would roll inside the bowl and expose his belly which I dutifully rubbed to his immense pleasure. He would then rev up the purrmeter and his toes would curl from pleasure.

      I think my toes curled as well.

      Every day that I saw White Paws I was slightly surprised. He survived another day, I would think. I still had no idea what was wrong with him but his hugely bloated lymph nodes were an unmistakable indicator that his body was mightily working 24/7 to stave off the lethal results of God knows what.

      Then his precarious health dive-bombed. One summer afternoon he was curled up on a warm slab of concrete, in the full sun, and I gave him tender pats. He did not react much, and seemed half-gone. And he smelled funny. Oh, this is it, I thought.

      I did not see him the next day. Nor the day after that. Nor for the week following. I knew he really must be gone because the tell-tale signs of the boy, you know, were fading away.

      My sadness was greater than expected.

      Several months passed and I was mowing the lawn. A cat wandered onto the edge of the lawn and I absentmindedly thought: Gee. That looks just like White Paws. I continued mowing.

      A few minutes went by and I though: Huh? Is that White Paws?

      I stopped the mower, turned, and looked at the gray cat at the edge of the lawn. “White Paws?” I called out.

      The cat immediately started to walk over to me.

      “White Paws?”

      The cat came right up to me, and tharrumphed down on his side, exposing his white belly – an unmistakable White Paws greeting.

      “White Paws!” I was stunned. Where had he been for several months? How had he been eating? What had he been eating? He looked perfectly fine, albeit very dirty.

      “White Paws!” The long tail curled with pleasure, and I bent down to pet the filthy, happy, still-alive creature.

      To this day I have no explanation for his sojourn, although have known this to happen before. Do very sick animals somehow board a special train unseen by humans, like the one in the Harry Potter novels on track 3-3/4, and travel to a magical healing hospital high up in some unknown mountain perpetually surrounded by mist?

      Well, what other explanation could there be?

      In any event, I was glad that the Mighty Pisser, sigh, was back.

      • That’s a lovely story. A bright spot in my day. Thank you for sharing.

      • Bryan

        Super Beautiful story!~ Thank youuu. We’ve had about 4 who came in that way…we used to have both skunks who lived under the house AND nightly raccoons. Neighbor finally insisted we make the skunks leave but the raccoons still come around nightly and we’re happy to care for ’em. For several months we had a ma and baby opossum too (they’re supposed to move on after 3 days, literal months out there every night). Since our puppy rescue back in 2013 one of our feral who was 10 (and he’s quite certainly incredibly gay too (he virtually NEVER sexed up anything but when he did it was always another male he was cuddling with)) who tamed up enough to come in but explicitly didn’t like being touched slowly became more kitten-like. He’s still super shy but he’s incredibly trusting now. Animals are frickin’ magical.

        • another_steve

          My husband knows exactly where the raccoons feed and puts all manner of our edible leftovers out for them.

          If they don’t get something in a day or two, they come to our patio doors and leave their wet paw prints on them.

          A reminder to us, that they’re waiting. 😉

          • Bryan

            Yesh! Over several years some were tame enough to let us tap or touch them without fleeing, just a bit and not often tho.

      • another_steve

        Beautiful.

        All cats are “feral.” Even the ones we deem “domesticated.”

        This is secret knowledge — known to all caregivers of “domesticated cats.”

        😉

      • stuckinthewoods

        A heartening story. We have taken in a friend’s cat with FeLV and, although ours are vaccinated, for several reasons we’ve separated this one into our doghouse. But inside that building we have several heated beds and she likes this (link) product best by far. I’d buy the larger duplex if I had to get another but she likes the single well. (The duplex has the same heating element but it allows them to get away from heat too.)
        https://www.chewy.com/kh-pet-products-outdoor-heated-kitty/dp/128067

  • worstcultever

    Dumbest brain surgeon ever.

    Did he give himself a lobotomy? What other explanation can there be?

    • fuzzybits

      I think he fell on a scalpel at some point.

      • -M-

        He fell on that scalpel ten times.

    • Bad Tom

      All you need is an icepick.

  • SoCalGal20

    GOP is apparently scared of Dem Jon Ossoff in that GA 6th special election. Go give the guy some support if you are so inclined. He’s started running ads.

    http://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/3/6/1640813/-Ossoff-releases-first-ads-goes-right-at-Trump-I-ll-hold-him-accountable

    • Ninja0980

      Even if we don’t win, the margin is the key.
      If it’s below 10%, the GOP is in trouble.

    • JHunter

      Donated yesterday.
      But, little concerned about cyber attack that compromised GA state voter data

      FBI investigating data breach of voter files for all of Georgia. Deeply troubling. What does this mean for @ossoff? https://t.co/ydtCnjYTKY— Andrea Chalupa (@AndreaChalupa) March 6, 2017

    • JCF

      electjon.com

      Give!

  • ByronK

    Nope. Sorry, I’m at my limit. This is just so completely fucked up that I’m out for a while. I can’t take the insanity.

    • another_steve

      Oh stop it, drama queen you.

      We’ve all said that from time to time, and gotten over it.

      • ByronK

        No drama, it’s just too much right now.

      • That’s a cruel thing to say, Steve. I had to do it, too, and may very well again.

        Byron didn’t say “I’m gone forever”. He’s doing the sane thing in the face of unrelenting insanity and declaring a mental health break. There’s nothing the least bit drama-queeny about that.

        • ByronK

          Thanks BeccaM. I have other shit going on in my life but the daily insanity of Trump is pushing it over the edge and I need a break.

        • another_steve

          Whatever it takes, Becca.

          I find that it’s at the most stressful personal times that I most need the support of my people, but everyone’s different in their needs and requirements.

          • When the news gets to be too much… well, I love you guys, but the cost is having to be exposed to repeated outrage and fear and everything else. The people I turn to are away from this computer and off these news and blog sites.

            Like I said, I’m feeling close to the end of my rope here, too, again.

          • another_steve

            Understood.

            Part of the equation is that Boyfriend Joe tends to focus on the horrors of the day. Understandable, since that’s what maximizes clicks.

            I urge all my loved ones here to stay connected to the community of loved ones. JMG is a great place to do that.

            I don’t know of a more varied and diverse online community of queer people.

  • Robert Adams

    I love it when they stand in front of a group of people, microphone in hand, open their mouths and proceed to prove for all to see that they are even more stupid then we thought they were.

  • jefe5084

    Apparently Dr. Stabby is ignorant and ignorant by choice and because he is a douche. He clearly hates facts and lives in his own little world. With little effort he could find out that the transport of slaves in these ships was outrageous. Which of these persons in the diagrams, Dr. Stabby, was so looking forward to a bright future?

    Does he think they were on something like a fuckin Carnival Cruise Ship? From: https://www.fastcodesign.com/1670325/infographic-the-slave-ship-chart-that-kindled-the-abolitionist-movement

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f502def2804e79d2e999d0e016dcd8261e515d4417f89bb67c70b02dcd40455c.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9c07e4ae0c56b8bfb988bef7958e4e1271cf7910a681043a7366f2cc1030f40c.jpg

    • Lars Littlefield

      He most likely compares the hardship of wallowing in waste, disease, and death below deck to the inconvenience of a center row seat without a window. Oh, the humanity! “My luggage!!”

      • jefe5084

        Indeed. The diagrams are only diagrams of arrangements. Nothing about being chained lying down, little or no food, having to lie in your own waste and that of those around you, sloshing in bilge, rats, disease, probably little or no fresh air. Heavy seas. It doesn’t mention about the mortality, etc. Just disgusting.

      • JCF
    • DumbHairyApe

      This diagram makes me very sad, angry and ill all at once.

      • Lazycrockett

        Hardball was talking tonight how shark patterns would change and follow slave ships cause of the free food source that was being shoved off the ships.

        • Bad Tom

          The near-daily dead bodies.

      • Makes you a decent human being, DHA.

    • djcoastermark

      There is a whole section at the new African American Museum in Washington DC that includes images (and worse) like this, AND it goes into great detail also. Maybe Stabby and wife need to visit there for a day to learn a little bit about history.

  • Ninja0980

    Doc Stabby and his wife are trying to do a spin job on facebook and twitter.
    Outside the usual Trump/Republican dolts, it’s failing badly.

    • fuzzybits
    • It’s actually a pretty common meme of late among the far, far ignorant conservative right, that ‘slavery’ wasn’t that big a deal. They want to live in a bubble of ignorance in which people were rounded up by the hundreds, packed onto ships where many of them died en route, then sold as chattel to masters who routinely would subject these new slaves to the most horrific torture in order to break them physically and mentally.

      For example, a Texas textbook company came under fire a couple years ago for referring to slaves as “workers.”

      http://www.newsweek.com/company-behind-texas-textbook-calling-slaves-workers-apologizes-we-made-380168

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b076aa1cddd3a8dba20ffce890a74b1ac63a1a1505e7edc5e15272b963f4c754.jpg

      Sure, the company apologized and issued a correction, but somewhere along the way, SOMEONE wrote that caption and it made it all the way into print without being stopped.

      • Ninja0980

        Remember Star Parker and Michelle Bachmann arguing against marriage equality by saying slavery kept the family unit intact?
        This is just another attempt to dumb down history and erase the very ugly parts of this country’s history.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. All these creepy people seem to looooove slavery and can’t say enough about how it benefited the slaves but they would throw themselves on the floor and have a tantrum if you asked if you could buy either them or their children as slaves.

          • Ross

            Buy?

            KIDNAP either them or their children as slaves.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Just pointing out that they love the playbook of “one set of rules for me, and another much worse for thee” garbage.

          • Talisman

            It’s in the Bible, so it must be good.

        • What’s particularly sick about that claim of theirs is the fact the truth was the opposite. Masters routinely raped their female (and sometimes male) slaves. Marriage vows were unofficial and phrased as “until death or distance do us part” — a tacit acknowledgment the marriage might be dissolved if the master sold the slaves. And of course children could be sold, too, at any time the master so wished.

          Yeah, it’s exactly that: An attempt to whitewash the sin and stain of having been a slaveholding nation at one time.

    • -M-

      Conservativism means never having to take responsibility.

      • Lazycrockett

        Can you imagine if a African American Democrat Cabinet Administration Official had said something this dumb ass.

    • another_steve

      Is “token negro” forbidden verbiage these days?

      I mean, really… that’s what Carson is.

  • Ross

    I love Keith.

    His Resistance videos have been watched well over 100 million times.

    “The Russian Developments That Matter Most”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74wMmVfxiKo

    • another_steve

      Students of TV media journalism must be having orgasms these days. So many changes, so many. Day to day.

      I regret not being a political science PhD candidate these days.

      Oh the subject matter to be explored…

  • Ninja0980

    http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/03/rep_john_katko_speaks_with_75_protesters_outside_blarney_stone_in_syracuse_video.html#incart_m-rpt-1
    My Congressman making an appearance with his human shield aka his wife.
    And despite what he says, his actions don’t match his words.
    He is “moderate” in that he’s not stupid like our former teabagger Congresswoman Ann Buerkle was in cheering the entire right wing agenda in one of the only swing districts left.
    But make no mistake, he is all for it and I along with many others will be doing our best to make sure he is given the boot next year.

  • another_steve
    • Amen to that. And hey, sorry I got scoldy earlier. I’m kinda on edge here.

      • another_steve

        You’re one of my favorite people on this blog, Becca. I’ve read and followed you for a long time.

        You’re an online beloved of mine. 😉

        • Likewise, Steve, in you I feel a kinship. Glad we sorted it out.

  • Gosh golly gee willikers, Donald lied about never having met with any Russians last year at all, nosiree, not a one.

    Oopsie daisy!

    https://twitter.com/swkogan/status/838965063285342208

    • Lazycrockett

      Kislyak is a dead man walking.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I think the only thing keeping him alive is that so many Russians have died recently that whacking him right now would just raise more suspicions than it’s worth. That said, perhaps he should try to find a way not to return to Russia.

        • coram nobis

          And find a food taster. At least avoid the chalice from the imperial palace.

          • Bad Tom

            Sadly, polonium is tasteless, and takes days to kill.
            What Kislyak needs is a pocket Geiger counter.

          • coram nobis

            That, too. And young women in airports with wet hands. We live in interesting times.

          • Bad Tom

            What North Korea called a “prank”, and later a “heart attack”.

  • billbear1961
    • another_steve

      Cultural reference please, billbear.

      I try to stay current and alert, but with each passing year it becomes more of a challenge.

      • I remember watching this musical many, many years ago, I think as part of high school honestly. ‘Slaves–>Molasses–>Rum’ was considered a major component of the slave trade and a huge ‘triangle economy.’

        Slaves would be sent to plantations where sugar cane was grown. This would be converted into molasses, then into rum. This rum would be sold all over, but also back in Africa in exchange for more slaves. Meanwhile, human monsters got rich on it.

      • Lazycrockett

        Basically it was the south telling the north to fuck off thinking that they were some how clean of the slave trade. If you wanted to forge a new nation outlawing slavery was off the table.

        • another_steve

          Thank you.

          I live in Maryland, which has a very fucked-up slave trade vs. anti-slavery legacy. We have Harriet Tubman memorials here and we have Confederate sympathizers here. To this day.

          I live in a part of Maryland in which 19th Century slave quarters are still extant. I live down the road from same, actually.

          As I say, fucked up.

          • stuckinthewoods

            I know where the “cabins” were on my property. Yes, truly fucked up.
            The antebellum economies of Maryland and Virginia matured beyond tobacco, or tobacco exhausted them, and our region became the source of, awful to say, the most desirable slaves further south. But they were expensive compared to Africans. That lead to one of the great but seldom recognized rivalries, not just VA+MD vs.the Northern trade, but against the slave economy of SC. VA vs. SC intensified as the Cotton States developed because they were competing for the same market. Absolutely fucked up.

          • billbear1961

            Between them, Becca and LC do a superb job explaining, Steve!

  • Skeptical_Inquirer
  • sword

    Carson in a past life had to have been a Black overseer on a Southern plantation!

  • coram nobis

    My conspiracy theory is that the Doctor is crazier than the Donald. Is that extreme or what?

  • Lazycrockett

    These sudden rumblings bout “deep state” is way too soon to be happening in Drumpf’s presidency. Bannon is getting skittish bout his breaking everything apart to destroy democracy plan.

  • Six Pins Delores

    Dr. Ben Carson would be certain to lick the window on a short bus

    • another_steve

      Not understanding.

      Explanation, please.

      • Six Pins Delores

        He ain’t right

        • another_steve

          North Easterner here (New York City for about half my life).

          Not familiar with the expression.

          • Six Pins Delores

            I am being politically incorrect and mean. Carson has something not quite right upstairs

          • another_steve

            Lol.

            Totally understood.

            😉

          • Kieron

            Short bus: the school bus for the “special needs” kids ride to and from school.

            Don’t feel bad, it took me a while to suss out the meaning.

  • DaddyRay

    My theory is Ben Carson practiced on himself in med school

    • another_steve

      That would explain it.

      Self-imposed lobotomy.

      • DaddyRay

        He obviously tried several times

      • Bryan

        The Ogilvie home-trepanning kit!

  • Lazycrockett
  • ggg

    Maybe Trump can still get sued for his fraudulent “university” . . .

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/autossell/trump-university-class-action-lawsuit-settlement.html?ref=politics&_r=0

    Trump University Lawsuits May Not Be Closed After All

    President Trump’s postelection agreement to pay $25 million appeared to settle the fraud claims arising from his defunct for-profit education venture, Trump University. But a former student is now asking to opt out of the settlement, a move that, if permitted, could put the deal in jeopardy.

    Lawyers for the student, Sherri Simpson of Fort Lauderdale, Fla., on Monday asked a federal judge in San Diego to reject the settlement unless former students are given an opportunity to be excluded from the deal so they can sue Mr. Trump individually.

    If the judge, Gonzalo Curiel, decides that Ms. Simpson and potentially others should have that chance, legal experts say it could disrupt the settlement because Mr. Trump and his lawyers saw the deal as a way to resolve all of the claims, once and for all, to avoid a trial and distractions to his presidency.

    “If even one person could opt out of the settlement and force a trial, that might, in fact, crater the deal,” said Shaun Martin, a professor at the University of San Diego School of Law. “I’m sure Judge Curiel will be aware of that.”

    • Lumpy Gaga

      I got a letter informing me of a class action suit and my by-default agreement to be a part of it by virtue of some insurance plan I picked years ago offered by the borg (as one of my benefit choices. Because I have choices. And Freedom. And Choice.)

      The letter pretty clearly outlined that “if I did nothing”, I’d be a part of the class and would forego my right to sue individually. Trump U got a sweet deal indeed, or set up shop in the right state, if one has to bring a suit just to opt out of the class.

      (I’d like to say “We’re talking about a grad of Trump U. here”, and assume she actually got notified, but it sounds like such an opt-out choice was never on the table for this case. Pretty sweet deal for Trump.)

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  • SnowFlake

    so all we have read and been told about slavery was all wrong. It was a choice for all those immigrants to commoner here for a better life. Gotta fucking shake your head at those alternative facts.

  • lymis

    You know, even overlooking the insanity of the slave ship comment, anyone who believes that immigrants deserve to pursue their dream of prosperity and happiness wouldn’t let Ben Carson even visit the office of a major federal post, much less hold one.

  • Boreal
    • Bad Tom

      The slaves were not free to sit on deck, in the open air. That would have been somewhat humane.

      They were confined to a hideous tween decks, 18″ tall. Yes, they had to crouch. Yes, many of them died from the atrocious conditions. Some of them went insane, on every trip.

      Every few days, the slavers would toss the dead slave bodies overboard, to control the smell.
      ——-
      I’ve read quite a bit about the 17th/18th century age of sail. Conditions for sailors were brutal, but nothing compared to what happened to people taken into slavery.

  • Boreal
  • Mike
    • M Jackson

      Texas textbooks. Figures.
      “Not just for Texans anymore!”.

  • Blake J Butler
    • djcoastermark

      Garbage Pail Kids needs to have a major comeback. Always loved them.

  • JDS

    So Uncle Ben’s Rice opens his stupid mouth yet again.

  • Noel Kanalley

    I’d role my eyes, but they’d be so far back in my sockets I’m not sure they’d come back down. So, these are some facts about the “immigrants” Mr. Carson is describing:
    1. These “immigrants” were kidnapped, often force-marched in chains across country to the West African coast, where they were then beaten, branded, stripped of any valuables they had with them, shackled again, and then shoved below the decks of hideously small ships.
    2. They were kept below decks for almost the entirety of what could be a 2-3 month voyage in rickety ships, often forced to urinate/defecate where they lay, because they were ofen too far from the “sanitary bucket” generously provided by the crew.
    3. When they were allowed on deck, they were kept shackled and forced to “exercise” to keep their muscles for atrophying, then forced back down. Unsurprisingly, millions succumbed to disease in these conditions, and millions more died of despair. Those who resolved to commit suicide and stopped eating were often force-fed with hideous contraptions designed to force their mouths open. All this has been documented both by archaeologists and historians.
    4. It was more than likely that women, particularly young women and girls, were routinely raped by the ship’s crew. Indeed, sexual assault was a ubiquitious part of the slave trade, and has never been given the attention it warrants. Shocking, isn’t it.
    5.. Once they arrived at their destination, these “immigrants” were systematically worked to death on plantations from Maryland to Barbados.. In the early days of the slave trade, the influx of slaves was so numerous in he Carribbean and the souhernmost American colonies that it was actually more profitable work slaves to death than treat them humanely and hope they reproduced their own numbers.
    6. Slave women were consistently sexually assaulted by their masters, or their masers sons, throughout the Americas. One of our “Founding Fathers”, at least, is among their number.

    I could go on, but it’s just too depressing. The ignorance. The utter and unabashed ignorance.