Catholic League: ABC’s LGBT Rights Miniseries When We Rise Is Just More Of Hollywood’s Anti-Catholic Bigotry

Via press release from Catholic League blowhard Bill Donohue:

Catholics in America make up about 25 percent of the population. Yet when it comes to negative stereotypes of religion, Hollywood targets us almost 100 percent of the time.

Nowhere is this more true than with gay-themed entertainment. The hostility shown toward all things Catholic made us wary when we heard about ABC’s miniseries on the history of the gay rights movement, “When We Rise.” As last night’s opening episode confirmed, we were right to be on guard.

The slaps at Catholics kept coming. There was the nun, in full habit, of course, who walks in on two teenage boys kissing, grunts, and walks out; the young woman from a “very Catholic” family, whose put-upon mother was beaten down by 10 pregnancies and a domineering husband who wouldn’t let her work outside the home; and the same young woman afraid to reveal her lesbian relationship because of that big Catholic family.

Most vicious was a discussion about holding a “women’s march” in Boston. “We get beat up by the very cops that refuse to protect us,” one character says, “in a city run by all Catholic cops.”

Right. Any negative comments about “Jewish bankers,” or “gay hairdressers,” or “black criminals”? Of course not. Those vicious and hurtful stereotypes would never be uttered on TV networks—and rightfully so. But it’s OK to stereotype “Catholic cops” who run a city and beat up women. As always, Catholics are the target of the entertainment industry’s bigotry.

  • Cackalaquiano

    “Could you queers stop existing? You’re oppressing me!”

  • S1AMER

    Retelling facts ain’t bigotry, Donohue. Your church has done, and continues to do, great harm to millions of people.

    • McSwagg

      Seems the docudrama hit a little too close to the truth for this blowhard. I say that as a former catholic myself, so I know what I’m talking about.

      • David Walker

        Cool! My partner, Jack, used to describe himself as “a recovering catholic.”

        • David in Tucson

          Recovery goes on a very long time for many of us recovering Catholics!

        • McSwagg

          I recovered rather quickly, once I made the break.

        • kelven

          A good friend of mine was a nun in her younger days. She enjoys telling people she kicked the habit.

      • Adam Schmidt

        My parents were told by the family priest that if they showed me enough “tough love”, that I’d grow out of my phase of being gay. They kept it up for 3 decades and gave up knowing their son as an adult because their priest told them they just had to keep it up.

        Fucking church cost me my family because of their prejudice and ignorance. They can fuck right off.

        • McSwagg

          I’m sorry to hear that. We all pay a price, some of us more than others.

          My relationship with my parents would have had to improve dramatically for the gay issue to even surface. I was the family scapegoat, though I didn’t know it at the time. We haven’t had any contact in decades.

  • Gerontophile

    He neglected to mention about how nice that nun was later in the programme, so this twat obviously didn’t watch it.

    And, stop fucking kids, thanks.

    • SammySeattle

      He also neglected to mention that a sister of the Quaker faith is not a nun.

      • David Walker

        But that wouldn’t fit his narrative. Kind of like 45’s people demanding that the intelligence community give them that fit his beliefs, not unlike the demand that they find evidence, ANY evidence, of WMDs 15 years ago.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Catholic snowflakes melt the fastest.

    • Gerontophile

      It’s the permanent threat of the eternal fire.

      • Rex

        And all those candles in Church.

        • David Walker

          Sucking up the oxygen.

    • HZ81

      God is all-powerful and created heaven & earth but turns into a puddle of tears when he is criticized SO STOP IT!!!!!

    • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

      Actually I give the guy credit for sitting through it. I turned it off after a half hour. It seemed to me to project 2017 sensibilities on to 1960s people. It did not view people as they were, but rather as a Gex X’er thought they should be. That’s just me. Does not however diminish the overall loathing with with I view Bill Donohue.

      • David Walker

        Interesting point. It may have been because it was being “told” to the young interviewer. Or it may have been to keep the millennials from fleeing. And you missed the part with the Black Cat, one of the police raids, and “God bless us nelly queens” which, frankly, had me in tears. The Black Cat is never mentioned or acknowledged. To see it in its glory was one of several, to see it as that powerful a scene, gave it a seal of approval. imo

        • vorpal

          You are really making me look forward to watching it tonight!
          Being born in the late 70s, I feel like I missed a lot of the heavy horror that people had to endure to help move us forward, and I am deeply grateful to those that laid the groundwork that has led to me being able to be a married gay ex-pat in a foreign country and have my husband with me today.

          • McSwagg

            Don’t get too worked up. The trumpazee addresses Congress tonight. Not to fret though, “Rise” will be back tomorrow night.
            Same gay time, same gay channel.

  • CB

    Maybe if you hadn’t raped our children, burned people and enriched yourselves while others starved to preserve your toxic myth people would be a little nicer to you, you putrid gasbag.

  • Rex

    Because Catholic families keep having gay kids.
    Can’t you put a stop to that Bill?

  • Rex

    But pointing out the negative is just so easy, you’re one reason why.

  • Rex

    It’s a good day when the canned ham starts whining.

  • HZ81

    Yeah, I have to admit it. I know this will be shocking, you cats, but I kinda have problems with kid-fuckers and douchebags like Bill who defend them.

    I know. I know. I am alone… 🙂

    • Stop insulting my douchebag please. At least it performs a valuable function unlike this Donohue asshole. (come to think of it so does my asshole so I can’t insult that either).

      • HZ81

        This is true. Bill would serve a purpose if there was ever an Archie Bunker Drag Night.

        • You can tie him to your car and drag him around Queens you mean?

  • Boreal
    • safari

      I keep trying to post that asteroid creature from Star Wars because of their similar maw, but disqus isn’t accepting images for me. Just pretend that’s what I posted here.

      • Boreal

        Disqus won’t let me upload any hard drive images, just links.

        • Jay George

          It’s been that way for me for weeks unless I click over to the disqus site and post from there and sometimes that doesn’t work either.

          • Boreal

            It has some serious issues of late.

        • Joe in PA

          Thanks for letting us know…I’ve been trying different things.

    • Princess Lardass

      Wait, I’m confused. What does Todd Starnes have to do with this? 😉

      • Boreal

        Toad Stares is a Ham Rove /Bill Donahog wannbe.

      • Ian

        What did that poor pig do to be thrown in with the likes of Bill and Todd? No living creature that walks, flies, swims, slithers, or squirms is as ignoble as those too.

    • vorpal

      At least the one on the left, despite being ugly as hell, is delicious.
      I can see how’d they’d be easy to mix up, though.

      • McSwagg

        Easter is just around the corner and ham is a tradition of the season.

    • Spudman
  • popebuck1

    Yeah, I was pretty annoyed that they didn’t depict all the gay characters as hairdressers, too. Everyone knows gay people have never held any other profession. What ever happened to historical accuracy?

    • Gustav2

      But they did correctly show all lesbians in San Francisco have apartments with bay windows.

      • Franciscan

        Wait a minute! It was gay men who had such apartments…with boston ferns hanging in the window. Lesbians were working women who couldn’t afford this level of splendor and chastized the gay men for it. All before AIDS of course.

    • b

      Yea, all of a sudden, he wants respect for diversity! Stereotypes!

      Now he a champion of acceptance! Diversity! Bigotry! Horseshit.

      Divorce is great! Candidates who have multiple marriages are great! Lying is great! So fucking holy. Can’t even live by his own churches doctrines.

  • karen in kalifornia

    Sure. Catholic League = easy target.

  • NZArtist

    So if a retelling of history is full of catholic atrocities, what does that tell you about catholics? Bill, sweety, your history is full of complete bastardry, so when your history is retold you can be damned sure you’re going to look like complete bastards.
    It’s your own fucking fault.
    Here’s a thought: If you’d like future documentaries not to be full of catholic bastardry you could, you know, stop being bastards. I know, logic isn’t a strong point for people with imaginary friends.

  • Tawreos

    Hey fucknugget all of those things are realistic. If you don’t want to be portrayed as assholes, maybe you should stop being assholes.

  • CPT_Doom

    1. That wasn’t a nun, that was a Quaker – you could tell by how she used “thy” and “friend” in her talk with Cleve Jones. Jones’ mother was a Quaker, so clearly he was at a Quaker school.
    2. The protest referred to was in San Francisco, not Boston. SF also had a working-class Catholic police force that was not overly friendly to LGBT people.
    3. One of three lead characters is, as Billy notes, is Roman Catholic and struggling with her faith.
    4. One of the other leads is an African-American Protestant who also faces a religion that is very hateful toward LGBT people.

    • I was wondering about that. Do Quakers have schools where female teachers wear funny hats and look all judgemental and tell boys not to jack off (in code) or they will go to hell and stuff? I kinda thought she was a nun too.

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        Quakers would not have nuns. They don’t have any type of pastor or priest, so any type of church professional would not exist. It would not be unheard of to have a group of women serve their community. I can even see them dressing “plain”.

        • CPT_Doom

          That’s what I took it as, as well. And you can add two other mistakes to Bill’s tally:

          1. Even if she were Catholic, she would not have been a nun. Nuns are cloistered (think Maria’s order in the Sound of Music). They devote their lives to prayer and have very little outside contact with the world. If that woman were a Catholic religious woman, she would have been called a Sister.
          2. What she was wearing could hardly have been called a “full habit.” Full habits resemble 17th century women’s clothing (on which they were based) and are typically floor-length and accompanied by a full wimple, which gathers tightly around the face. What the teacher was wearing did resemble the outfits some Catholic religious orders adopted in the post-Vatican II era, including a small veil with a plain women’s skirt suit, but something tells me Billy wasn’t too pleased with those changes to his church.

          • coram nobis

            Nuns could teach, or at least that’s what the film “Doubt” seemed to portray.

            https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/[email protected]@._V1_.jpg

          • David Walker

            There you go with that highly overrated Meryl Streep person. But yes, I believe you’re right.

          • Many nuns teach school or are nurses. I thought everyone knew that. Hasn’t he ever been in a Catholic hospital or heard of Catholic schools? Everyone I know who went to Catholic school has horror stories about the cruelty of nuns. Of course some just abused children for the sheer joy of it. See Philomena.

          • coram nobis

            See Philomena, and also Doubt (the picture is from that film, and Meryl Streep is wearing the habit (or uniform) of that order.

          • CPT_Doom

            Both nuns and sisters wore habits, and most people refer to sisters as nuns, but Billy should know better.

      • David Walker

        But she didn’t…or I didn’t take it that way. There were and are Friends’ schools aplenty. I think she was shocked to see them on the floor, but when she talked to Cleve a little later, she very specifically (although I paraphrase) says to him that one loves whom one loves, but there are appropriate places for that. “You’re not going to tell my dad?” “That is for you to do.” Again, paraphrase, but I doubt a 1972 nun would pop with that.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        No, we don’t.
        Quaker schools are all over PA. Some of the best secondary and primary schools (Obama’s kids went to one) Liberal Arts schools around (Swarthmore, Haverford among two of them.)
        There is no hell. There is not really discussion of a soul. Jesus was a dude. So was Mohammed. So was my milkman. There is no set of inherent belief in a divinity that is greater for any so called diety or prophet. The idea is that humanity, within itself, reveals that which is greater. Some call it god, others divine, others just not being a dickhead. The big focus is on Simplicity, Equality, Community, Peace, Inclusion, and Stewardship. There is no hierarchy, so Meeting leaders can be anyone. No priest, no outfits, no funny hats, no guns, no military service, even the Meeting houses are called Meeting as there is a basic element of “it’s a simple room. Now, think about shit.” And a lot of focus on listening; it’s one of the peace movements that were also linked to the Shakers (the Simple Gifts song) and Amish. The latter went *way* Jeebus. And Quakers went hippy.
        I’m Atheist and Queer as the day is long, as are my family members. Nothing but inclusion with Quakers.

        • Philly Mike

          It always surprised me that Nixon was Quaker.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Programmed. It’s a different sect. There was a major split (think Catholic vs Protestant, but make one them say “the bible and only the bible” and the other say “Bible, Rumi, Shakespeare, haiku: it’s all meaningful. Even those Quakers didn’t appreciate him.

      • androphiles

        I believe she may be Mennonite. Their women do wear a specific type of cap.

    • Rex

      You were expecting Bill to actually pay attention and get butthurt at same time?

      • David Walker

        Well, you know…a fag can always dream, although folks like Donna Who tend not to come ’round to reality, especially when they’re paid not to. I mean, defending an indefensible religion is his life’s work.

      • Chuck in NYC

        Billy still misses Cardinal O’Connor — pretty much the worst person to have been heading up St. Saks Fifth Avenue during the 1980s when a societal crisis such as AIDS might have demanded a leader with a measurable amount of compassion.

    • DaveDocSC

      AMAZING how the religionist only see and hear what they want too..
      Wait……. No it isn’t. That’s what they do all the time.

      I watched the show last night and I didn’t notice any overtly cathlick references. This bill guy will say anything to try to get on TV.

    • teeveedub

      Religious lady with something on her head = Catholic nun. (I wonder if Bill makes that same mistake when he sees a woman wearing a hijab.)

    • BillyDee4

      The comment about the Catholic police* struck a cord with me. I was in one of the first Gay Pride Parades in Chicago. Underlying the feelings of pride and elation was a current of fear. We were watching every window and every roof along the route. There were cops all over the place, ostensibly to protect us, but we had no reason to trust them. This was Chicago and it was only three years after the police riots at the 1968 Democratic Convention.
      *I had a racist, homophobic brother who was a Catholic Chicago cop.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Glad to note that I got my official “you’ve been booted for being an apostate!” letter from the Church and started hanging out with Quakers. Yea, Atheists are welcome. We also don’t say the thee but the we. And the pope can bite me.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Jones actually noted that Quakers were quite cool with him being gay. Catholics would have burnt him at the stake:

      GROSS: So you found out that there was like a gay movement through being a Quaker. You and your mother went to Quaker meetings. She went to Quaker meetings because she wanted to be a Quaker, so you’d have a reason to avoid the draft. This was during the Vietnam War, but so how did going to Quaker meetings lead to your discovery of the gay rights movement?

      JONES: The Quakers were very welcoming and even back then I think they were performing commitment ceremonies for same-sex couples.

    • gewaite

      “Roman Catholic”? As opposed to Unite Catholic or Maronite?

  • hdtex

    This asshole is the personification of professional “victim”.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    Donohue complains about the angry fundamentalist catholic stereotype, whilst confirming it.

  • ChrisInKansas

    The truth hurts.

  • TimCA

    I thought the depiction was of a Quaker sister. Notice her use of the term “friend” in the scene.

    Edited to add:

    “Even when he’s having a trysts with a boy at his Quaker church (Cleve’s mother is a Quaker, his father a psychiatrist)…….”

    http://ew.com/recap/when-we-rise-series-premiere/

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      That was my take-away.

      • TimCA

        Mr. Donahue needs to get it through his thick skull that not everything in the world is about him and his silly church.

  • Bomer

    Bless his heart the poor dear. /s

    • safari

      Now that you point it out, thoughts and prayers for the organ.

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      In the South, that means a lot more.

      • Bomer

        Yeah, I spent a large portion of my life in Texas. Never picked up the accent (people kept asking if I was Canadian) but I did pick up somethings.

        • Mike_in_the_Tundra

          Unfortunately, I got an accent.

  • Jay George

    Maybe if you stop being a bunch of huge fucking assholes, then maybe folks wouldn’t hate you so much. Geez! Blame the entire stinking world for *your* behavior. Take some responsibility and grow the hell up. }:^{

  • AdamTh

    Hey Billy…. IT’S. THE. TRUTH.

  • boobert

    It’s people like donohue that cause dislike of the catholic religion.

    • Jamie Brewer

      In a way that is the silver lining to his shit cloud of outrage…

  • coram nobis

    “Yet when it comes to negative stereotypes of religion, Hollywood targets us almost 100 percent of the time. Nowhere is this more true than with history dramas. The hostility shown toward all things Catholic made us wary when we heard about the miniseries on the history of the [Crusades/Inquisition/Thirty Years’ War/Irish boys’ schools]. As last night’s opening episode confirmed, we were right to be on guard.”

    Ha — and wait till Donohue gets a load of the upcoming Stephen Spielberg film, “The Kidnaping of Edgardo Mortara.”

    http://variety.com/2016/film/news/oscar-isaac-to-star-in-steven-spielbergs-kidnapping-of-edgardo-mortara-exclusive-1201814739/

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3675680/

    • Bomer

      And don’t forget the Magdalene Laundries.

      • coram nobis

        See my movie list later along this thread. Good stuff.

        • Bomer

          I saw the Magdalene Sisters a few years back. Good movie.

          • coram nobis

            See:
            Philomena
            The Magdalen Sisters
            Agora
            Spotlight
            Doubt

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

  • Ray Page

    Bill, quit your fucking whining you drama queen, you insipid, sniveling bitch. There is no role a religious zealot loves more than that of a martyr.

  • kmcdevitt

    So, this would be an historical miniseries….this shit happened. Lots of us were there; lots of us who were, aren’t anymore. So fuck you, you shapeless, quivering bowl of sour cream…

  • 2patricius2

    Hadn’t heard from Billy boy in a while. I guess he needed some publicity, lest people forget him.

    • vorpal

      Time for his regularly scheduled temper tantrum to remind people that he’s here, he’s impotent, and nobody gives a damn.

  • 2amor

    history, history, history don’t like being portrayed as an asshole…. quit acting like assholes!! it really is just that simple.

  • vorpal

    Pssst…. Bill Donohue:

    It’s not always about you, despite your narcissistic iron-age belief that you are super duper mega-mega special and created in the image of a god that supposedly exists and created the entire universe just for you, but that somehow can’t be bothered to put in an appearance every so often except through earthquakes and tsunamis when gay people have buttsex and once in awhile on a slice of toast or in a bag of Goldfish crackers.

    • Frostbite

      What? No! Of course it’s always about him! You can’t be a proper martyr if it isn’t about you! Silly kitty.

      • vorpal

        Well, being a cat, I mean, it’s OBVIOUSLY all about me.

        Bill Donohue just needs to realize that.

  • bkmn

    If his lips are moving, he is lying. Typical right winger.

  • Jon Doh

    If the shoe fits.

    • Jim Gallagher-Barker

      If the red satin slipper fits…

  • Lance Thrustwell

    …and I’m sure he’s personally offended because he and all his Catholic buddies are actually big gay rights’ supporters?

  • “when it comes to negative stereotypes of religion, Hollywood targets us almost 100 percent of the time”

    That sound you hear? That’s Imams and rabbis across America laughing their asses off.

    Someone thinks the Anti-Defamation League was formed because people were saying too many nice things about the Jews.

  • Blake J Butler

    Shut up. The shit that happened was real that aired last night.

    If only closed minds came with closed mouths, or at least “MPPHHHHHH!!!!!!!”

    http://68.media.tumblr.com/0a132ca6003d128cd0029e1a39a93555/tumblr_inline_odgy6dCKDw1r53pcs_540.gif

    • Bomer

      Does come with the ball gag, or is he extra?

    • james1200

      My porn watching would be nothing without Breederfuckers, StraightHell and CastingRoom. God bless you, kinky boys of Britain! And thank you sir for honoring them in the middle of the work day.

      • Blake J Butler

        “Guy” from BF and SH is one of my favorites.

        • james1200

          Vincent, Joseph, Edgar, Bryan, Marcus…I love them to death and I know I’m forgetting a bunch. They absolutely look like British street trade, sound it, are gorgeous and they keep coming back for more rough treatment. Amazing porn empire they got there. I need to look up Guy ’cause I don’t think I know him.

          • Blake J Butler

            He’s one their earlier models on SH and he hasn’t been on BF for over three years and i believe he’s made some appearances in Brutal Tops where you have the same models from BF and SH appear on there in domination videos.

        • james1200

          Never mind, Guy is the dude above. Also that professional soccer player, the ‘str8’ dude Cathal McCarron, that they got to do full on gay porn, that was them! That was fucking amazing too!

  • Clive Johnson

    “You dissent in any way from my specific Catholic beliefs” = anti-Catholic

  • Rex

    It seems that all you hear from the religious folks is how pissed off they are about something. They say you can’t be truly happy until you’ve found god, so I’m just assuming they’re all still looking for him since they are constantly angry.

    • JWC
      • McSwagg

        You can’t have the cheezus without having the whine.

    • Princess Lardass

      It’s the religious form of bullying and insecurity.

      “I can put myself up by putting others down. See, God. I’m a terrible person, but those queerosexual perverts are worse!”

      • vorpal

        They just need to feel better than someone else.
        All the time.
        Over and over.
        You see it throughout the history of Christianity.

    • vorpal

      Many of them can’t be happy until they’ve tried to force everyone else to find god. If I’m not interested in scuffling around in the dirt looking for imaginary superbeings because I’m some kind of filthy heathen who needs salvation, I’m somehow persecuting them.

      Religiosity and joy are inversely correlated, I think.

  • Ninja0980

    Maybe if the Church hadn’t made it a point to wage war on us, you wouldn’t be viewed in such a negative light.

  • JWC

    Well Fathead you may be only 25% of the population but you make 150% of the negative rhetoric so wear your garland like you should…deservedly

  • Greenscreen

    So this grifter issued a press release. So what? No one cares.

  • Sabazinus

    Yes, because it’s always all about YOU.

  • coram nobis

    Now, class, Hollywood films about the Catholic church. Here’s a good list.

    Philomena
    The Magdalen Sisters
    Agora
    Spotlight
    Doubt

  • Rex

    Bill Donohue is pissed off.
    Must be Tuesday.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Or just a day ending in Y.

  • SammySeattle

    “There was the nun, in full habit, of course, who walks in on two teenage boys kissing, grunts, and walks out” For someone who is All Catholic All of the Time, you’d think he’d recognize the difference between a nun in full habit and a woman wearing a Quaker bonnet.

    • McSwagg

      Donohue has only one lens to view the world through.

      • David Walker

        It needs to be cleaned.

        • McSwagg

          That won’t help. It’s got those ‘ripples’ that old glass get. The distortion is permanent at this point.

    • Lars Littlefield

      He firmly believes that Quakers are really catholics who have yet to find god. You see, everyone is catholic. We just don’t know it.

  • KQCA

    Well isn’t that just the pedophiles calling the kettle black.

  • Kelly Lape

    If you fucking Catholics weren’t such fucking assholes with violent tendencies (in the name of your fucking God) – we wouldn’t have to point out what fucking assholes some of you are.

    • Lars Littlefield

      That’s how blood cults work.

  • Raising_Rlyeh
  • William of Glynn

    “Hollywood targets us almost 100 percent of the time.”

    If you weren’t such an ass sac, maybe Hollywood wouldn’t bother.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    That’s right Bill, make the struggle for equal and civil rights all about you; a straight white man of faith who has never had to think twice about his rights, let alone his privilege. Bitch Please.

  • vorpal

    Keep in mind that Donohue is the dickwad who also thinks that the cute comedy, the Real O’Neals, based loosely on Dan Savage’s life and Catholic upbringing, is all about him and insulting his religion.

    I’m willing to be that he has a ceiling length mirror and it has nothing to do with sex.

    He has an inability to laugh at himself. Fortunately, I’ll average it out.

  • coram nobis

    Wait till ol’ Bill gets a load of the new Spielberg film, “The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara.”

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3675680/

    He’ll probably have a stroke.

    The Mortara affair was an evil matter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortara_case

    • Gustav2

      As soon as I started to read the Wikipedia…oh yeah, I remember that story.

      • coram nobis

        With Spielberg on it, it’s probably going to be big. The whole Risorgimento, not just the boy’s story.

        Some fun facts: the Pope mixed up in this affair was Pius IX, who was also the last ruler of the Papal States before the Italian reunification chased him into the Vatican in 1870. He presided over 133 executions during his time as a secular ruler. He was beatified by John Paul II in 2000.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX

    • MaryJOGrady

      It certainly was.
      J2P2 didn’t care *who* he beatified, or canonized. Many Catholics think he was greasing the skids for his own self, and sure enough he has been canonized in record time.

      • coram nobis

        Well, if the Church can beatify Pius IX then maybe Savanarola and Torquemada should be next in line.

        • MaryJOGrady

          I am sure there are Dominicans out there who are pulling for canonization of both Savonarola *and* Torquemada. (My worst uncle almost became a Dominican priest, before the Dominicans figured out, weeks before his ordination, that he was too obnoxious and crazy for them.)

        • Friday

          Cyril was: shoulda been at Nuremburg if it’d been another century.

  • Mr. Mister

    Donahue refers to a “nun, in full habit, who walks in on two teenage boys.” His religious ignorance is showing. She is not a nun. She’s a Quaker, wearing plain clothes and a bonnet. When she talks to Cleve privately later, she addresses him as “Friend,” a traditional Quaker form of addressing other Quakers. A quick Google search will inform you that the real Cleve Jones’ mother was a practicing Quaker. Aside from that glaring mistake, the rest of his rant is just his knee jerk, “How dare you recount the factual shortcomings of Catholicism!”

  • Tom (wpg)

    The more the better. We have to clean up the cultural filth of religion in this country/

  • Bad Tom

    Our history is not gay-themed entertainment.
    ——-
    Motherfucker.

  • Ian

    What has been the Catholic priest’s share of child abuse in the US in the past decade? 80%????!! Fuck off, you gin blossom.

    • Clive Johnson

      And on top of that, Donohue resists attempts to hold the church accountable for this problem. If people ever wonder why a problem as obviously wrong as child rape and molestation shouldn’t have everyone in agreement on solving it, they only have to look at people like him.

  • Michael R
    • Friday

      Sold. 🙂

  • greenmanTN
    • vorpal

      I’m intrigued.
      Go on.

      • greenmanTN

        LOL!

  • jm2

    nun? I didn’t think she was a nun. Cleve’s mother was Quaker. I thought the woman was like Amish or something like that. as far as the other ‘accusations’ Donohue makes, back then not only in Boston but most big cities the police were Catholic and usually very, very Irish! oh, wait! ‘Donohue’! he’s a mick! and one that my Granda would call “pig-shit Irish” as he claimed to be. Nana was “lace-curtain” Irish…..

    • Friday

      Goddess, don’t remind me, but actually it really wasn’t as Irish as people claimed.

  • greenmanTN

    Somebody’s panties aren’t twisted quite enough. He’s still breathing.

    • David Walker

      I be happy to hear him whine. Give him a tighty whitey wedgie.

      • greenmanTN

        Oh, gather round the the campfire, children, because there is much worse than a wedgie. My older brother would grab the front AND back of my underwear and pull them back and forth and give me a “flossie.”

        Anything I did to him later was purely deserved.

        • David Walker

          Sounds excessive. I’m glad my brother was 6 years older. He never bothered (with) me. An uncle, on the other hand, was Satan incarnate. No lie: When he came around, the cats would hiss and run. One of his joys was to see how quickly he could piss me off and then laugh at me. Was not all that sad when I heard he died. Of natural causes, oddly enough.

          • greenmanTN

            My brother was 6 years older too, but we shared a room. It had (heinous) plaid carpet he designated the stripe over which I was not allowed to cross. What my older sister and brother didn’t realize is that I was taking notes…

          • David Walker

            Well done, grasshopper.

          • greenmanTN

            You have no idea.

            https://youtu.be/A5PHC4t-j_s

          • greenmanTN

            I have no idea when my older brother will die, but I will have an iron clad alibi. 😉

        • TuuxKabin

          Is he still, uh, among us?

  • The Milkman

    If you define “catholic” as being synonymous with “anti-gay bigot”, then sure. However, we all know that most American lay catholics are far more advanced on this issue than their priests are. They’re also more advanced on the issue of birth control, divorce, and child abuse.

  • David Walker

    “There was the nun, in full habit, of course, who walks in on two teenage boys kissing, grunts, and walks out…” Forgive me Donna Who, but I believe you are incorrect. I realize that speaks blasphemy, but wasn’t she a Quaker? I mean, when was the last time you heard a nun in full drag use “thee” as a pronoun? And if that was a nun suit, you need to have your lenses checked.

    • Friday

      I’m unaware of Quakers having been wearing habit at any time, actually.

      • David Walker

        It may also have been that’s the way she chose to dress…or a choice on wardrobe’s part.

  • LovesIrony

    uh, did someone say something?

    • David Walker

      I think he’s trying to fax somebody.

  • Reality.Bites

    If Carly Simon had known this putz we’d know who the song was about after all.

    • McSwagg

      I like that she’s non-specific. That lets us use it as needed where ever it applies.

    • M Jackson

      I just finished her autobiography “Boys In The Trees”. She can write.

  • LovesIrony
  • Reality.Bites

    It’s times like these I just can’t understand why Marlo ever married him. ;P

  • Eli Bradley

    I guess that he missed the part where the navy man was sent to a church and was discussing whether or not his lover was in heaven or hell was just fast forwarded through? Or when he went to a black church?

    So disrespectful… or cherry-picking.

  • coram nobis

    Here’s a negative stereotype for you: the Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home scandal. And this was just one facility in one religious order in Ireland.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Secours_Mother_and_Baby_Home

    • MaryJOGrady

      Some of the survivors of the Irish Roman Catholic Church’s answer to extramarital female sexuality, the Magdalen Laundry slave labor facilities, are being granted compensation from the Irish government, which played right along with that scheme as long as it lasted. (Most of the victims are already dead. No one knows how many there were in all. The last ones extra-legally imprisoned there were released in 1996.)

      • TuuxKabin

        The Magdalene Sisters, Trailer.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dqMxvJLmew

        • MaryJOGrady

          Some survivors who were asked about that film said it went too easy on the nuns.

          • TuuxKabin

            The final scene in that movie stays with me to this day. At the bus stop. Most powerful from the young woman to that nun. Pure hatred. I identified with that scene most of all.

      • Nasty Girl Brianna

        And let’s not forget what the Catholic Church did to indigenous people all around the world, with their residential schools and cultural eradication efforts.

  • fuzzybits

    Mr. Potato Head can’t stand Bri Bri fissure getting all the attention.

  • I wish the media had been more critical of the church a lot earlier. Spotlight is a good recounting of what it took for a major city newspaper to report what was and had been happening for decades inside the Catholic church. The reality turned out to be far worse than anyone could have imagined. The churches get a free pass 99% of the time and when the story is so bad that it can’t be ignored, they cry persecution.

  • Mike

    That was a catholic nun? That didn’t look like a catholic nun’s getup to me. Anyway, she was depicted as being way more kind than any real catholic nun would have been in those circumstances, especially circa 1970. If anything, that scene was generous to catholics.

    To hell with the catholic showflake Bill Donahue and the hyper-sensitive cupcake catholic church. Our mere existence is an affront to the catholic church? Right back at you.

    You have no power here. Be gone, before someone drops a house on you.

    • Bomer

      If someone does drop a house on him they better reinforce the floor first.

      • McSwagg

        Not if it’s a southern house. There’re built on concrete slabs.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Honey when “Jewish Bankers” beat us up at Pride marches, yes, we’ll call them out too.

    And as a general rule, we find that our community does not tend to be oppressed by “gay hairdressers” although I did suffer serious perm regret back in the 80’s.

    • Friday

      Man, male privilege right there, you never got attacked by gay male fashion police. They let me off with some color, but it was scary. 🙂

      • ByronK

        Ha, you two weaklings. I had streaks and a perm in high school. Trust me, in a factory city, it went over tremendously well!

        • Friday

          Actually I went to Siouxsie Sioux hair the moment it *wasn’t* trendy anymore, cause that worked. I probably sound like I’ve got a buzzcut or something but actually it’s kind of the opposite. 🙂

      • McSwagg

        I’m male and I can’t go to any LGBT venue without being attacked by the fashion police and the diva national guard. I’m an introvert and my “wall paneling impression” is one of the best. Yet they descend on me anyway.

  • Patrick Thomas

    That was no nun, it was a Quaker woman. Cleve Jones found solace with the Quakers at times, and his mother was a Quaker.

  • Friday

    Oh, for fuck’s sake, Donahue: I was practically *raised* by Catholic cops in Boston, that shit *happened* and wasn’t just to what… have someone else be ‘anti-Catholic’ for pointing it out later? My own Catholic father got better about that and could never stand those abuses that *yes did happen* ….but it cost him.

    For such a ‘penitent’ religion, funny how Catholic cons and bishops can never acknowledge what they actually did.

    (This is actually why most American Catholics are *not* represented by the bishops and Catholic Right pundits like Donahue and his one-man-KoC-funded ‘League.’ (And mouthpieces wouldn’t have to pretend this current Pope is ‘progressive’ in his worldwide actions if this were not so. ) )

  • Uncle Mark

    Sorry, BIll, but I guess that’s just your cross to bear…so quit whining about it. Worry more about setting the example, instead of bitchin’ about how the world sees you. For your information, Bill, the world sees you as a whiny, entitled, attention-whore, and hypocrite. What kind of Catholic are you anyway? You even work against your papal commander & chief.

  • mpatreyu

    I’m an equal opportunity organized religion bigot. I wouldn’t support any of them.

  • Talisman

    Wait, isn’t the show set in San Francisco, not Boston?

    • Friday

      I don’t have TV but apparently they condensed a lot of the history. Boston was actually a place that a lot of lesbians fled *from* in the Seventies, though, so a character like that could well be coming from there.

      • Talisman

        The Roma character had a brief stopover in Boston after leaving her lover in Africa (the real-life Roma is from Maine, but I don’t think the series mentioned where her family is).

        He obviously wasn’t paying close attention.

        • Friday

          The part where I don’t have TV means I ain’t in a position for quibbles about a dramatization. People also did leave Maine *for* Boston pretty regularly, too, if not because of LGBT issues because the textile mills and fisheries, particularly the Georges’ Bank, were faring poorly.

  • edrex

    what part wasn’t true?

    • Friday

      Christians are “reverse-persecuted” if anyone tells people of how they”acted on their proud religious convictions.”

      (They’re also “silenced” if you rebroadcast what they say into microphones *more,*)

  • 2guysnamedjoe

    ‘Any negative comments about “Jewish bankers,” or “gay hairdressers,” or “black criminals”? Of course not. Those vicious and hurtful stereotypes’ . . . are just that: stereotypes. The RC’s centuries-long, multimillion dollar campaigns to deny us equal rights and to try to make us disappear are well-documented, and our hostility towards it is well-warranted.

  • TuuxKabin
  • Robert Conner
    • Friday

      Boston, twenty years ago: Friday comes back to a house, “So, OK, it looks like I just trashpicked a buncha blank indulgences. I didn’t think they were supposed to leave this sorta thing lying around, so here they are.”

  • guest666

    But you are are worst Blanch, you are.

  • Jim Gallagher-Barker

    Bloviating harangutang needs a ham shoved where?

    • Friday

      Nice word. 🙂

  • Richard B

    The mini series was realistic and spot on.
    The fact is Catholic Church has aggressively marginalize and demonized the LGBTQ for decades. If we are employed in one of their organizations, they will fire us. If we seek civil rights, the Catholic Church is there lobbying our politicians to not give us equal rights. They are aggressively lobbying Trump to sign a religious freedom executive order so they can freely and LEGALLY discriminated against us.
    I am disgusted by Bill Donahue, the loud mouth idiot from the one person Catholic League. The Catholic Church is no longer a moral authority and if anything, a criminal organization. It is a fact today, they still shamefully deflect the blame of thousands of their priests who molested tens of thousands of boys and then covered it up. About half of the priests today are repressed self loathing homosexuals mired in Catholic dogma – sickening.
    For the record, most of America’s Catholics Bill Donahue has claimed are either non-practicing or Cafeteria Catholics. The American Catholic Church is shrinking and much of their churches are half full or empty. For every 5 kids raised in a practicing Catholic family, 4 will not call themselves Catholic by the time they are adults.

    • Bj Lincoln

      Awesome!

    • Reality.Bites

      But Bill will even count their grandchildren as bible-believing, church-going Catholics, even when they’re divorced like he is.

  • CottonBlimp

    Every fucking week nearly every Catholic church in America spouts evil, bigoted lies about gays, atheists, women, feminists, Jews, non-Christians, the pro-choice, but actually tell THE TRUTH about Catholicism and this angry boil gets ready to burst.

    It’s true of every religion, but it’s especially true of Catholicism: when you worship a lie, the truth is blasphemy.

    • Friday

      Oh, nope on the ‘like’ . You went to ‘Every religion.’ When it’s about always variations on the same Abrahamic one.

      • CottonBlimp

        I don’t know where you’re coming from with this, but, actually, no, your assumption is way off base. I was talking just as much about Buddhist and Hindu violence in response to “heresy”, all the way down to relatively benign religions that simply whine when you take apart their woo.

        Religion, practically by definition, means the worship of false ideas.

        • Friday

          False ideas like trying to smear all cultures over what one or two just kep on doing *as* part of their religious hate-prachings?

          Every group’s got its flaws, but just smearing all non-Atheists as though it’s all the *same* flaws (for not being Atheist) isn’t shedding any light on abuses.

  • Oscarlating Wildely
  • DonnaLee

    This guy matters why??

  • Tom Kidd

    I gotta tell the Truth and shame the Devil: It’s hard for me to take Catholics serious when they start to rant and rave against LGBTQ folk, because Connie Francis’ “Where the Boys Are” starts playing in my head.

  • roadtripboy

    Bill just can’t handle the truth of history. This is what happened back then. Sorry if you’re unwilling to face up to what your church did and said.

  • Wayne

    So this misguided buttcrack thinks those incidents didn’t really happen?

  • Rick Hammond

    Don’t you dare blame your plight on hairdressers or I will smack you with my curling iron you ignorant pile of bovine farder!

  • caphillprof

    It’s a docudrama. Catholics aren’t big on mirrors.

    • Robert Conner

      True dat!

  • argeejay

    Methinks Blohard Billy needs to put his own house in order…….I was kind of wondering why Blohard Billy has been rather silent since Hair Furor took control.

  • Nasty Girl Brianna

    Oh noes! Won’t anybody think about the poor, put upon CATHOLICS! Why, they’re the most oppressed minority group in HISTORY!

    Wait, what? They aren’t? They actually ran the government for centuries? What did we call that time? Oh right, the DARK AGES.

  • Etranger

    There is a way to stop the negative (true) portrayal of Catholics when it comes to gay issues. I doubt Donahue would like it though – it requires being nice to gay people. How would he fill his time?!

  • Gianni

    So victimized. It’s really just a case of the shoe finally being on the other foot. The Church has been condemning various peoples and individuals for countless generations. Perhaps it’s time for a tiny bit of changing attitude to creep in? It couldn’t hurt. You stop hammering us and I’m pretty sure we’ll stop hammering you.

    • Robert Conner

      When LGBT mobs begin burning Catholics alive at the stake then the shoe will finally be on the other foot. Of course if I belonged to a church with a 17-century-long history of murder, I’d probably be as defensive as thick mick Bill Donohue.

  • Guido Miller

    When will God call this fat, disgusting old fool home? Not soon enough!

  • DaveMiller135

    What I’m not hearing is any talk of the long-term hostility, of Catholics towards gays, not being historically accurate.

  • Charlie

    How is it that these idiots always think it’s about them?

  • Gates Ortt

    Let’s see , raping children and hiding it, denying condoms to AIDS ravaged African nations, supporting Hitler when he was killing the Jews etc. I can’t imagine why anyone would think those things are bad.

    • EdA

      In fairness, it is also American Christianist Fundamentalists who actively believe that their loving god wants to see women and infants die of preventable disease.

  • Mike Knife

    Anti-Catholics and their anti-gay psychotherapist who do Ex Gay Therapy are behind anti-LGBT Bigotry and discrimination.

  • Pete Carroll

    Another blow hard to ignore, he is why I don’t go to churches. Oh and Mass is boring and judgemental, that too.

  • JCF
  • customartist

    Please don’t shoot the Messenger, mkay?

  • Charlie

    Too bad, isn’t it? The catholic religion is the most hypocritical religion because most catholics do NOT practice what they preach…child molesting priests, priests who have secret sex partners (I knew a few of those), etc. I say to this fat blowhard, ‘if the shoe fits Cinderella, wear it!’ Sad!

  • Tom Chicago

    It is laughable for Bill Donohue to take offence at a gay perspective of historical Catholic policy. If he were walking in a pair of gay shoes, he’d know why. Did he expect praise? Furthermore, the show was not an analysis of stereotypes like “Jewish bankers,” “gay hairdressers’ or “black criminals.”