Marriage Equality Linked To Decrease In Teen Suicide

PBS reports:

State legalization of same-sex marriage appears to be linked to a decrease in adolescent suicide, based on a new analysis published today in JAMA Pediatrics. The results give more context to the potential effects of social policy on mental health.

The researchers found that suicide attempts by high school students decreased by 7 percent in states after they passed laws to legalize same-sex marriage, before the Supreme Court legalized it nationwide in 2015. Among LGB high school students, the decrease was especially concentrated, with suicide attempts falling by 14 percent. But in states that did not legalize same-sex marriage, there was no change.

Suicide is the 10th-leading cause of death in the U.S. and the second for people aged 10 to 24. But young LGB people are particularly affected, attempting suicide at four times the rate of straight youth, according to the Trevor Project, an organization that works to prevent suicide among LGBT youth.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Wow!! – what more proof do you need that LOVE saves lives!!
    No H8!

    • Todd20036

      The Nazis don’t care. They WANT us dead

      • Nowhereman

        They like to toy with us first–then it’s off to the ovens.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Love & Happiness! This is gonna piss off the GOP and Evangelicals.

    • kareemachan

      I’m *almost* tempted to wander over to Breitbart to see the heads esploding.

      ETA: I’m pretty sure they’ll be throwing things around “lying media”, even tho JAMA is nothing of the kind.

      • Tawreos

        If you listen closely you can hear the popping from here

        • Rebecca Gardner

          Horton hears a RWNJ head explode.

  • Lars Littlefield

    Yay! Love heals!

  • fuzzybits

    I love that photo of James and Edie.

  • clay

    “Evidence-Based Practices”
    -vs-
    “alternative facts”

    Guess which one deVos will embrace for federal education policies.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Probably the one that would fit the “Science” in this Christian textbook.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a44b82b8bf67937e20ebac8dc49b1e4fa594b58bb506f9b44fba68316509a541.jpg

      • fuzzybits

        Gaaaaa!

      • kcken

        If they think immigration is a problem now, wait until this next generation of utter morons graduate from school and businesses need people educated by real schools.

        Sure these “Americans” can tell you the names of all 12 disciples, but they think algebra is the work of the devil. — everyone in 2030

        • Rebecca Gardner

          Well, they are probably ready to remove things like the concept of Zero, and Algebra because those evil Arabs created it.

          • -M-

            The Map of Mathematics
            https://youtu.be/OmJ-4B-mS-Y

          • Rebecca Gardner

            Cool video. I love math! If you want to read a neat book I recommend, “The Mathematical Experience” by Philip J. Davis & Reuben Hersh.

          • Earl

            If you want to learn more about math and science, and don’t wanna go to school. Head on over to the Khan Academy, it’s free, and it’ll learn you something. πŸ™‚

            https://www.khanacademy.org/

            I may have learned about probability there, while baked out of my mind, so I recommend it highly.

            Puff, puff; pass.

          • Earl

            Like, what’s the probability that Earl would forget to pour the freshly boiled water over his tea…

            It approaches one.

            What’s the probability that I should have learned anything while that stoned?

            It approaches zero.

          • McSwagg

            KhanAcademy Science is pretty simplistic and watered down, in my opinion. There are real on-line science courses that can be watched for free on the web if you care to search a little. Most are connected to universities.

          • Earl

            One has to start somewhere. The site is designed to work for the younger students, did you know that?

            Are you arguing that they’re not teaching things that are ‘true’?

          • McSwagg

            I taught high school science and found them to be too simplified and low level for my students. But you’re right, start at the level you need based on your experience. Lord knows that I would need to start at a remedial level for some subjects.

          • kcken

            My theory is that they will use public schools to keep kids dumb and pliable (or angry). Private schools will be unaffected, and that’s where the rich kids will go.

          • McSwagg

            Texas has settled on the strategy of social promotion to solve its low graduation rate problem. Gap years to take remedial courses before beginning college will become the de facto standard.

          • Earl

            Zero actually came from the Indians. We just give the Arabs credit because they taught us about our own ‘western’ history, and algebra and alcohol. πŸ™‚

        • Earl

          Algebra is the work of the devil, eh? They wouldn’t be the first religious nutters to kill a golden age with that kind of bullshit.

          Just before the end of Islam’s Golden Age, an Imam declared that mathematics was the work of Iblis (the devil). Look where they are now? πŸ˜•

      • This is how humans self-regress to the point where they shit themselves when there are thunderstorms, because they’ve lost the capacity to know how stuff works.

        I wonder how long it’ll be before fire is worshiped again.

        • Rebecca Gardner

          I would love to see what that textbook has to say about fire.

          Fire is a mystery. We can see, feel, and hear what fire does, but nobody can say what fire is like.
          We cannot even say where fire comes from. Some scientists believe small pieces of the sun fall to earth but that has never been observed.
          Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven ~ Genesis 19:24

          • McSwagg

            Why do you deny the phlogistic theory of fire. Fire is one of the four elements and it is released whenever a substance is heated to a sufficient temperature.
            /s

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        I have been struck by lightning four times (NOT an alternative fact) and luckily was not damaged too much, scar on both calves and two on side of one foot.

        I saw it.
        I felt it.
        I heard it.

        If your sky fairy was tryn’ to kill a bitch, he’s got bad aim.

      • Earl

        They’re comparing a known thing to their gawd.

        It’s blasphemous if you actually believed in a higher power like that, and mere bullshit if you don’t.

  • Tomcat
    • Baltimatt

      I’d forgotten this song. Thanks.

  • swimboy

    Conservatives won’t be swayed by this argument. They really don’t care if LGBTQ kids kill themselves. After all, they intentionally kick them out of the house to fend for themselves, why would they care if they live or die? Monsters, all of them.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Yup! Just like my ultra-religious Mom did to me 31 years ago next month.

      • Ninja0980

        And like my one friend’s “parents” did over 14 years ago and another whose family disowned him when he came out in college.
        But hey,you weren’t thrown off rooftops so it’s okay right?

        • GayOldLady

          My family turned their back on me too when I came out in the early 70’s. My grandmother was the first to support me, then my mother and a couple of aunts, but it took them quite a few years to come around.

          • Rebecca Gardner

            31 years for me and my parents have completely removed them from their lives. I turned out a smart, successful, grown woman and they want nothing to do with me. However, if I was a serial killer they’d probably visit me in prison every weekend. I don’t get it.

          • Ninja0980

            Same with my friend.
            His “parents” have missed out on the rest of his teen years, his 20’s and the start of his 30’s because Jesus.
            I don’t get it either.
            How can a bunch of stuff written thousands of years ago make you abandon your own flesh and blood?

          • GayOldLady

            It’s so sad, but I’ve seen so much of it over my life and rejection by family is the reason so many people are still in the closet. It’s crazy!!!

          • GayOldLady

            It’s their loss and a terrible loss. You have family, RIGHT HERE darlin! I know being rejected by your family is a wound that never heals, but you’ve done well for yourself and by yourself. You have a lot to be proud of.

            I’m an old woman, my mom’s been dead for nearly 25 years and she was almost to her death bed before she reconciled with me. But she did finally come around and in the end loved my wife as her own daughter. I hope someday that will happen for you, but if it doesn’t your parents were the losers!

          • Rebecca Gardner

            Thank You *hugs*
            Excuse me, I need some tissues.

          • GayOldLady

            Hugs right back at ya baby!!! If you need a surrogate mom, I’m available.

          • Ninja0980

            You’ll always have us.

          • Bj Lincoln

            You are with Family here.
            XOXOXO

          • Mark

            I can relate Rebecca. Mu parents came around some but it’s don’t ask, don’t tell. My brother, my nephews and great nieces, I’ve not seen since 1993 and my nieces and great nieces, I’ve never met. Oh well…..

          • teeveedub

            I know this story well. Having been excised from my family’s lives, they didn’t get to know someone who turned out to be basically happy and successful and – more of a loss to them – they never got to know how wonderful and loving my late partner was. I’d venture to guess that, in your case, as in mine, they lost out on a lot more than you did.

          • Joe in PA

            Whoa, I read that your were 70 when you came out…and you had a living grandmother! They started early. πŸ˜‰

            But to your point, coming out in the 1970s was pretty bold, good for you, and too bad for them. To have lost someone for THAT. Stupid.

          • GayOldLady

            If you wait til 70, what’s the point? And BTW, my grandmother lived to be almost 100, she outlived my mother.

        • Todd20036

          My father’s dying wish was for me to marry a woman and have children, even if it meant I had sex with men on the side.

          So basically, he would have been happier if I were a manipulative, lying miserable person.

          I don’t mourn him much these days.

          My mother came around only after I gave her an ultimatum. Either accept me (and don’t write me out of the will), or I will leave her. Kick her out of my life.

          Being the one successful and happy chid does have its advantages.

          • Gene

            (HUGGGGS) Todd.

            So sorry to hear of your fathers last wish….happy to hear mom came around, and happy that you are the wonderful amazing guy you are

          • Nowhereman

            It’s funny–I’m probably the most well-adjusted member of my fucked up family. Out of 6 siblings, I’m only close to one brother. We didn’t grow up together–I’m a lot older and we have different mothers–but I think that he and I got the best mix of the genes in that pool.

          • MB

            Boy do I hear that. I gave my mom the same ultimatum. My siblings lives are all train-wrecks, multiple-marriages and divorces, or serial dysfunctional/failed relationships, drug addiction, financial ruin, rage issues, (and they’re all Trump supporters) ad nauseum…..

            But “I” am still the weird one ??

            Ya’ just CAN’T fix STOOPID !!!

          • Derrick Johns

            MB, you should become a writer: literature, TV or movies. Hell, all three. You’ve got the material.

          • MB

            Though I am from NW Pennsylvania and never heard nor knew any rednecks, I lapse into speaking red-neck in silliness and mockery. I have younger adult friends who have ’em sum kinfokes in TN, KY ArrKanzaz etc. I went to kolayge with whey tew many reyudnekk klasmaits.

            Oh krapp, now eyem typin’ tha reyudnekk………

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          • ChrisMorley

            REPORTED and FLAGGED

          • Ninja0980

            It’s amazing how some folks think that being in a miserable, loveless marriage is good for society.
            Good for you holding your ground.

          • gothambear

            Amen brother. My parents kicked me out at age 17 before I started my senior year of high school when they discovered i was out on a date with a guy. Well flash forward 37 years and the family has been asking me for loans or donations to help them (including my late mother) and now many of them are coming to my wedding in April at age 55. I made my own successful way and never looked back. Being gay is indeed a gift.

        • JWC

          maybe not physically but emotionally yes

      • swimboy

        I’m so sorry Rebecca. My religious parents never got to that point, but pushed me into “therapy” to fix me. I was suicidal for all of high school and my first year of college because of it, too.

        About 30 years later, and I’ve just about patched up my relationship with them, but it started with me confronting them about being “bad Christians.”

        • Todd20036

          Did it ever occur to them that they were the bad people, and you were not?

          • swimboy

            Not until I rubbed their noses in it.

          • MB

            Gandhi β€” “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

            In far too many instances this is a reality rather than the exception. We still have homophobic bigoted Bishops and Dioceses in The Episcopal Church who refuse to permit the full sacramental rite of marriage in our Church to those of us who are LGBTQI – cuz’ that’s what white-Jeezuz would want, right ???

            I want to just punch them, and hard. But that still would never change their hearts, though it might give me some temporary satisfaction.
            Grrrrrrrrrr…………..

      • fuzzybits

        I also had a couple friends growing up that were sent to homes because they got pregnant in high school.

      • Gene

        I….cannot grasp that Rebecca. I dont have words…dont know what to say. Just that I am sorry it happened to you, that you did not deserve it…no one does.

        I grew up in a branch of Christianity that was working its way though these issues as I was, and came to (at great cost ) officially say “you are wonderful as the Gay man God made you to be”…and, my family have, with a few exceptions (cousins, no one really close) totally accepted me and my husband. I did not understand the very real (and justified) bitterness of many GLBT people until got to know so many people on this site.

        I cannot relate…I mourn…truly, I mourn the injustice done to you. Its the lose of anyone who does not love/accept/celebrate the strong and wonderful person that you are Rebecca. I only “know” you online here…but, my life is very much the better for it. I mean that, and, I wanted you to know that

        Gene

      • Diogenes Onionpants

        Jay Zeus.

        Reading the stories from you, GayOldLady, Mark, Ninja, MB, Teeveedub, etc., etc…. It’s soul-crushing.

        I feel weird up-voting your stories, and I’d feel weird not doing so, but just know that what I’m up-voting is the goddamn kick-ass survivor selves you all made yourselves into. Much love here!

        • Jay George

          Don’t feel bad about upvoting. It just means, I see you, I hear you, and I feel what you’re saying. Sometimes it means I support you too. πŸ™‚

      • SelectFromWhere

        I just hope, for the love of G-d, that those of you who were disowned by your families have set up ironclad wills and powers of attorney so they can’t swoop in and grab your estate when you die. Disowning suddenly seems “temporary” in those situations. DON’T WAIT. Even if you don’t have a significant other, leave it to a friend or a charity and change it when you do. They WILL inherit everything you’ve worked for otherwise.

      • LovesIrony

        I realized long ago how very lucky I was to have had loving parents. My parents both adored my husband. I can’t imagine the pain you must have experienced. You’re a tough lady.

      • JCF

        {{{Becca}}}

        It SICKENS me, that “ultra-religious” has come to mean “viciously ultra-bigoted”. The more I go to (Episcopal) church, the more I pray, the more I try to be the person [my Higher Power] made me to be, the more PASSIONATELY, out-spokenly QUEER I become!

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/057e68e0fe9297e81155248d34c5c4e7c5df8ecbae855a1aa270f7d05c25ce03.jpg

      • greenmanTN

        I don’t want to be a naysayer, but sometimes things do work out. I came out to my dad at 17 after he waited up for me to get home, way late again, because I was off being a slut. A monogamous slut, but still a slut.

        I told him I had never told him I was gay because I had heard of kids being kicked out of their houses because they were gay and his response was “I would rather cut off my own arm than reject you.”

        I’m sorry so many of you faced that hate and anger.

        • Reading all these stories and it was your dad’s response that has me choked up and teary…

          • greenmanTN

            I was very lucky.

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      They don’t care that women are less likely to be murdered by a spouse in homes without guns. They don’t care that people are less likely to be successful in committing suicide in homes without guns.

      Gays killing themselves? To the cons, that’s a feature, not a bug.

    • kcken

      Thankfully my family was mostly accepting.

      I did fuck it up my own shit though.

      I Moved from Canada to California.
      I had no idea what a homocon was, nor a mormon (I’m not religious).

      I’m 5’6″, and weighed about 130 pounds
      He was 6’3″ and weight a good 220-230

      He’d been watching fox news, and drinking. The yelling at the tv got louder. I tried to sneak off to bed.
      Made is as far as my underwear before the bedroom door flew open.

      He literally dug his big paws into my chest and carried me, by my pecs, out to the garage, still in my underwear. I spent the night locked out there in 40 degree weather while he slept it off.

      Apparently fox news had done another one of their hit-pieces on Canadian health care, and i was somehow responsible, at least that was the excuse he used as an apology, and that I should be OK with that.

      i had never ever been afraid for my life up until that point. I took a day off work, and moved out a few days later while he was at work.

      I moved about 25 miles away, and eventually he found me and then he drove by my apartment every couple of days for about two months before finally giving up.

      It took months for the bruises on my chest to heal, and i’m not 100% sure my broken brain ever fully healed. I still finch if someone brings a hand near my face to fast, but you know. I’m ok. I’m way luckier than a lot of people.

      • KCMC

        shit. I hate that story.
        Cheers to your survival and resilience.

        • kcken

          Thank buddy! 15 years ago now. I’m fine.
          I can still love with my whole heart, something he will never be able to do.

          • KCMC

            That’s a good soul. Better world with you in it.
            Some fine day we may need to meet in this city. IRL Ha

          • kcken

            Maybe Bear Night next month… First Saturday.

          • MB

            We’re all happy that you survived and have so much love to share. I don’t understand how others are so hardened, cynical and hate-filled that they have not one ounce of love in their hearts. My natural state is one of empathy and generosity by my default wiring, so that at times I actually have to remember to say NO.

            You are right. They will NEVER to be able to love friends, partners, spouses and even strangers as we do. It totally escapes them that in giving love, you receive love, usually many times more.

          • kcken

            Thanks MB.

            You’re right thou and whenever I forget, I go look thru the comments section on Breitbart. I always reel back in horror at the things they say, but from my perspective I need the reminder of no matter what they say to your face, a little internet anonymity will get them to show you their true hearts.

            I tend to go thru life thinking everyone is honest, trustworthy and will always tell me the truth. Yeah, still a fucking farmboy after all these years. πŸ™‚

      • Joe in PA

        So sorry you’ve had to go through that.

        • kcken

          Thanks Man. Water under the bridge.
          Little farm boy Canadians are tough πŸ™‚

      • Nowhereman

        Wow! I’m glad you got out! Having grown up in an alcoholic and abusive home, I left when I was 16 after my father confronted me about being gay, and lived with a friend’s family so I could finish high school. Physical violence scares the crap out of me and one thing I was always wary of was any sign of violence in a relationship. I was lucky–though I did have a couple of relationships that were emotionally abusive. After the last one I gave up on all of that entirely. I’ve been more or less happily single and not at all interested in having a close relationship with anyone since 1992.

        • kcken

          I can’t imagine my family throwing me out. That truly must have sucked. I’m so sorry. Family should give you strength, not be ONE of your enemies. We have enough battles as it is.

          There’s someone out there for you who is nice. Don’t give up. (But I do understand the wanting to be single thing. I did that for a long time as well).

      • Delwin

        Sounds legit. But you should try to toss in a Trump reference just to make it current.

      • JCF

        Geezus H Christ! I know the statistics: we (LGBTs) are no less likely to experience domestic violence in our relationships than are hets. Still, I’m shocked & appalled to hear your story.

        • kcken

          Yes indeed. It’s a little easier to call the police these days though. Wouldn’t have dare called them 15 years ago. uh-uh!

      • DonnaLee

        No one will ever know the extent of the damage Fox News has done in my lifetime. Kids estranged from parents, spouses and friends fighting over bullshit stories, etc.

        • kcken

          Yep. Re-enforcing what these people think. But you have to wonder what kind of lump would sit in front of the TV and not bother actually questioning what they’re watching. … Fox presents disguised bigotry and hatred as “news” but People can make up their own mind…

    • MB

      This just happened last week to a 19 year-old dear friend of mine in Albuquerque who was living at home and attending UNM. His asshole of a father is ex-FBI and ex-Navy. You would think his dad would be proud that his son was a scholar at ABQ Academy – the 5th top prep-school in the nation and graduated with a 3.90 avg. But NO, his dad thinks he can BEAT the gay out of him. His dad threw him out of the house last week with little more than the clothes on his back.

      I helped him rescue his belongings, and now he has three places he can stay safely. Our other friends in town stepped-up and also offered once they found out what was happening. His dad was even tracking the young man on his phone. So I counseled him to wipe the phone and leave it. DONE.

      He now has a new untrackable phone and a new # his dad does not know and I am looking to connect him with attorneys to get a protective order against his father. JUST IN CASE. He had a job interview this afternoon so he will have some kind of income to live on and I am waiting to hear about those results. The whole situation has me very upset and I have to just bury the anger and just be supportive.

      • ChrisMorley

        Thank you for being such a practical loving friend to him. You are a star.

        • MB

          He is a young musician (I am a lifelong organist and musician) and he is a gifted and multi-lingual scholar (4 languages so far) and so very brilliant. Kind, mild-mannered and seriously discerning the Episcopal priesthood; What’s not to love ?? I tease him that he is my adopted wee-gayling.

          • ChrisMorley

            Most of us could have used having such LGBT ‘foster parents’ to show us the ropes as gayling teens.
            When I volunteered on gay switchboard back in the pre-internet day, we befriended teens taking tentative first steps.

          • SelectFromWhere

            Just make sure he gets a power of attorney and a will, however, simple, to keep his stuff away from his dad–especially if his dad is violent and could “hasten” the process.

          • MB

            His stuff is ALL at my place or my friend’s house. No need to ever see his father again. Because he has been bounced around from his uber-religious psycho-mom in FL and asshole father here, he needs a special legal and financial protection (for UNM) that makes him not a dependent on his family. UNM here has some really WEIRD stipulations that basically consider under-grad students as minor/dependents until age 26.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        I was the same age when I got kicked out. Please tell your friend that everything will work out in the end. Tell him to do what I did. Make your life as interesting, successful, and filled with love as he possibly can. Then, when he’s sad because he misses his Dad he’ll be able to look around at all of his success in life and proudly say to himself that it’s his Dad’s loss he missed out on sharing the life of such and awesome child.

        Oh, and give him a big hug from me. I know the pain and confusion he is dealing with right now.

        • MB

          I’ll tell him exactly that. My advice for him comes from the many experiences of my own life and the amazing survival stories throughout our community. The single factor that he and his generation is struggling with is that THEY got/enjoy equality (for the most part) as they have come out. Their straight peers are overwhelming supportive and understanding. Understanding the intensity and the history of the/our struggle and the character that the struggle has helped each of us build is difficult for him and his friends to understand, because fairness and equality are just plainly obvious and common sense principles.

          • Ninja0980

            You are a good friend.
            Tell him to hang in there and that he’ll have you and others for support.

          • Rebecca Gardner

            You’re an awesome friend. Thank you for stepping up and being there for him.

            I hear he’s a musician. I hope one day I see him at Lincoln Center or I’m buying his latest #1 hit.

          • MB

            He’s a great pianist and clarinetist. He wants to also study organ but I advised him to get his basics and music-theory under his belt first, as organ study is a monster undertaking if you don’t come pre-programmed with the organist genes.

          • Rebecca Gardner

            P.S. – I want to be clear about what I mean by “Interesting” and “Successful.”

            By Interesting I mean never ever make anything put your dreams on hold. I do not have a bucket list, I have a do it right now list. People have told me I should write my Biography but it would have to be fiction because nobody would believe it. I’ve raced cars, flew planes in aerobatic competitions, taught firearms, competed in pistol competitions, I ride motorcycles, I travel, I SCUBA, I do as much as I possibly can because for all I know I could be dead tomorrow.

            By Successful I mean never ever make anything put your dreams on hold. If someone says you can’t do that then work twice as hard to do it. This young man sounds like he has the brains and talent to do just that.

            For me success was about an amazing career and a life of comfort. I’ve done that and I’ve gathered a few toys along the way. In addition to all my motorcycles I own this beautiful Mercedes-Benz that even Mercedes-Benz Tweeted about.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/28a2704c52e0612c83ccf53938298f04dad99fe29e696aa6e0c05685bed89005.png

            I bought my first airplane when I was 29 years old and am currently shopping for another one. This was my first plane.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a9ff499c8b555942d80d0e7c89873ee0fe815728631af81421128d081702d84.jpg

            He needs to make his life so amazing that everyone that meets him and hears his story about his father will have the immediate reaction of, “What an asshole! You’re an amazing person. His loss!”

          • Cattleya1

            I think Ray Charles said ‘live every day like it is your last, because one of these days you’re going to be right.’ It is just such a damned tragedy that creeps like this young man’s father screw up so many lives.

      • Nowhereman

        Wow– and good on you and your friends.

    • JWC

      That’s why it is inherently important for these abused kids to know there is supportConservatist may not care but Gay people do To paraphase Maupin there are 2 familes for gay people The biologal and the illogical.

      • Diogenes Onionpants

        Yep. It’s one of the big problems we faced as a community: because asshole right-wingers spread lies about gays as predators (pie-faced Anita Bryant made a career of it), those who survived adolescence were often reluctant to be seen as supportive to abused teens, lest they get labeled pedos–leaving the most vulnerable with little help. It took some brave, stout-hearted people to turn that around: anybody remember the avalanche of shit thrown at Kevin Jennings, founder of GLSEN, when Obama appointed him to a position in the Dept. of Education?

        • JWC

          My Oldest brother(d) just could not let it go so , after trying for year to get him to like me I just decided , “His loss” Although that hurt, it was what i had to do.Later in life when I encountered people with problems I would listen then offer help usually by saying thay I wish I had someone like me to talk to as I was going through it I am pround to say I got 4 freiends and families through it, a little dented but in one piece

    • Bill

      Fuck, SWAYED?????

      Hell no, they’ve just discovered their ‘final solution.’

      • swimboy

        I’ve never doubted for a minute that at least some of them are consciously aware that their behavior is causing teen suicides and use that as motivation to continue.

    • SelectFromWhere

      Nope, the only time they really matte is when they are fetuses. once they breathe air, it’s Follow The Script or fuck off

  • kcken

    Shocking that social acceptance of your gender preference makes you feel like you have a shot at life, and not fear you’re going to GET shot in life by someone wielding a shotgun and a bible.

    Go figure.

  • GayOldLady

    Remembering what it was like to be a young girl and not knowing how in the hell I was going to survive holding the secret of being a lesbian I remember the emotional torture. No telling how many people of my generation killed themselves because we had nowhere to go, no one to talk to. I’m so proud that steps we began taking in the 50’s and 60’s led to this time where young LGBT people can find support and feel some sense of acceptance in society.

    • Nowhereman

      I think I’m about 10 years behind you. I was a child in the 50s and a teenager in the 60s. I knew early on that I was different. I was about 6 and as you said, there was NO ONE to talk to. When I did realize what was so different about me, I also realized that if I did talk to anyone about it, I would be beaten up, sent away to a mental hospital, or kicked out on the streets, or some combination of the above. Things have gotten better, but not by a lot. Gay people are the minority that even other minorities love to hate.

      • GayOldLady

        I agree, things are better, I suppose it depends on how we measure better on whether we determine our progress to be a lot or minimal. From the perspective of being able to come out of the shadows and being able to live our lives with dignity, I think it’s a lot better. We grew up in similar circumstances. I was born in the 40’s and by the time I was 6, like you, I knew I was different. Life in the 50’s & 60’s was scary for a gay a person of any age, but especially for children. Like you said, if you were found out when I we were growing up you would have been institutionalized. I can remember a female family member, 2nd cousin who was probably 10-15 years older than me, was suspected of being a lesbian and hearing family members talk about her like she was dirt. She was actually one of the sweetest and nicest people I remember from my childhood. The gossip got so bad for her and her friend, which I now know was her girlfriend, they moved away and basically were never heard from again. We were all lucky we survived our own families.

    • Jay George

      And I say, thank you for your service to humanity. <3

  • Ninja0980

    Not a surprise.
    When LGBT youth and young adults see things like this happening, it gives them hope for the future.
    And even a small amount of hope is enough to give many of these kids reasons to keep going.

  • i think we can file this under “duh”.
    let’s see how this gets spun. because you know it will.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Administration response: End funding for researching teen suicide. /s

    • billbear1961

      Why the /s??

      They may very well do that.

      Wouldn’t surprise me in the LEAST.

      They may certainly stop looking at sexual orientation in the matter.

      These people are EVIL.

      • Skokieguy [Larry]

        Because if I didn’t, people might think I was reporting on an actual response. Sadly, its too believable as possibly true, I felt the snark tag was needed, but like you, I totally believe they would do it, just as they’ve ended funding for many other things that could literally help save lives.

        • billbear1961

          I understand.

  • JWC

    Oh Now that has JUST got to be Fake News

  • Sam_Handwich
  • JWC

    hey People This is Monday Anyone heard from Kelly Anne Conjob, Sean Sphincter or the new guy Stephen “baby Goebbels” Miller??

    • Tawreos

      Evil likes to sleep in on Mondays

    • clay

      They had Rinse on over the weekend– looked like they were cleaning house.

  • Tawreos

    Who would have thought if you give people the hope of finding love and acceptance in the future it will help them get past the rough time today.

  • billbear1961

    And yet PBS feels the need, after interviewing people fighting for equality, to interview fascists who, based on nothing but lies and hateful, two-faced bigotry–using cherry-picked curses from the Bible as an EXCUSE–argue LGBTs should be stripped of every right imaginable and our freedom, sometimes our very LIVES.

    They do NOT interview fascists who suggest OTHER minorities should be stripped of THEIR rights–not YET, anyway. Who knows how much longer that will be the case, now that the media have helped to NORMALIZE far-right hate-mongering??

    Of course, despite their efforts to placate Trump–a recent Frontline special indulged in false equivalencies and opined that those who believe Trump represents something other than normal politics in this country are “living in a bubble”–it now looks like he may DESTROY them, ANYWAY.

    • JWC

      or they destroyTrump

      • billbear1961

        We’ll see, JWC.

        I don’t trust the media to keep up the fight against his relentless LIES.

        • JWC

          they have to We can’t have anymore rich silicon valley faggot doing what they did to Gawker

          • billbear1961

            I really don’t feel able to predict WHAT they’ll do.

            I only know I don’t trust them.

          • JWC

            Its best to fight them now while we can than wait till FOX news is your Pravda

          • billbear1961

            Yes, but try to make THEM understand that.

          • JWC

            they will NEVER understand that’s why they have to be voted out

          • billbear1961

            I don’t believe most in the media care much about this country or their neighbours.

            They care mainly–many exclusively–about PROFITS.

          • JWC

            of course Billbear Thru this debacle that is TRUMP where is the stock market Soaring I am surprised he hasn’t taken vcredit for that If they weren’t making money this “pup’ would be put out to pee

    • Joe in PA

      Stay out of the comments on the PBS site Mister Bear. Some stupid trolls (on PBS?) Yikes.

  • bkmn

    This is exactly the type of information the right will try to silence. We can not allow that to happen.

  • SFBruce

    Welcome news, but not surprising. Haven’t we said all along that the reason for the heightened suicide rate in the LGBT community has to do with the way we’re treated, and not something inherent in being gay, bi or trans?

    That pic of Jim Obergefell and Edie Windsor is wonderful. Just looking at it makes me feel better.

    • Exactly. Life is a hard thing to go at alone and when you take away support from family and then put barriers in place to forming a family via marriage it is that much harder to go on.

  • Tomcat
  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    It makes perfect sense, so naturally, Trump and his thugs will do all they can to reverse the trend. This must not be allowed to happen.

  • ErikDC

    It’ll be 20 years in October since my near death by my own hand as a teenager.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Glad you chose another path. Hugs and much love from the Great White North.

      • Earl

        You have snow?

        Mon dit tabernacle.

    • GayOldLady

      How much different do you feel today Erik? How much has your perception of yourself and the importance of your life changed?

      • ErikDC

        Today I feel it’s a life unfinished and would be disappointed if today was my last day. I still have work to do. There is still good I can do.

        • GayOldLady

          I’m so glad Erik! To fight back from such depression is remarkable. You’re an amazing person. We’re with you!

        • MB

          Good for you Erik !!!
          Share your love, kindness, compassion, grace and understanding and change the world around you.

    • TampaDink

      As Jean-Marc stated, so glad that you didn’t….and that you are here with us.
      Hugs from the balmy southwest coast of FL.

    • GayOldLady

      And hugs to you from the heart of Dixie in TN.

    • BearEyes

      glad you’re here to tell us that – hugs

    • Jay George
    • Raybob

      39 years this summer since my husband technically DID die by his own hand. And was revived/chose to come back. So glad he did!

    • Bad Tom

      Thank you for staying with us.
      I have been in exactly the same place.

    • TuuxKabin
  • Gaymurcan

    Now having an actual future to look forward to; instead of asphyxiation inside airless closets of “mandatory-heterosexuality,” helped a lot. A full civil rights bill would have been even better.

  • PeedeResistance

    I put on full hazmat gear and waded into Breitbart. As you might expect, the only LGBT news they are featuring is a fake story about a ‘failed protest…’ The JAMA findings are not even mentioned….after all, as one of the most liked comments on that fake story had it, ‘those perverts are only happy when being looked at in revulsion.’ Projection of their own tortured and hideous existences, yet again.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Great news and news that should not be surprising. When we do more to support people and provide them the opportunity to live their life free from oppression they are more likely to want to live it. When we deny people the opportunity to live their life free of oppression they are less likely to want to live it.

    I would also say that in nations like Germany or Australia when marriage comes up it is important to drive this point home. this is not some abstract conversation about marriage, this is a very real question with very real impacts on peoples lives.

  • GayOldLady

    Our Hero and Shero…..Jim & Edie

  • -M-

    Hit the recommend button people.

    • billbear1961

      Done!

    • Joe in PA

      Done, but what does that do? Thx.

      • Jay George

        Pretty sure it recommends the conversation on the disqus board.

        • billbear1961

          Ah, that’s it!

          But I will forget again, alas.

        • Joe in PA

          Thanks.

      • billbear1961

        I forget the details, although Picky P has explained.

        But it means more people will be likely to see it.

        • -M-

          Yes. Disqus may promote it to other users based in part on popularity and it’ll be listed under recommends on your disqus profile if someone looks there.

          • billbear1961

            Thank you.

  • Tomcat

    Won’t be seeing the Whitehouse lit like that under Trump and the stormtroopers any time soon.

  • another_steve

    I don’t think we want to send a message to young LGBT people reading here — some still in the closet — that marriage is “the solution.” It’s perfectly okay not to be married. It’s perfectly okay not to be partnered.

    A good way to fight depression is to stay connected with your community. You can do that on blogs such as JMG.

    No need to ever be truly alone again.

    • Edmund Allin

      I agree. But I suspect the decrease in suicide rates might have more to do with the perception that at least the highest court in the land accorded gays the dignity of equality in a basic human right, rather than the prospect of a fairytale wedding.

      • billbear1961

        Yes, it is the respect and the dignity.

        I don’t know how long those things will endure in a world where FUCKERS no longer give a FUCK about FACTS and the TRUTH, and where simple, basic DECENCY is flushed into the SEWER.

      • David Milley

        Agreed. The Obergefell decision put to rest the lie that “people like you can’t succeed at relationships.” It says we get to choose for ourselves how we define those relationships, not the religious bigots.

    • JWC

      As bigottry will always be with us, young gays will face negativity.If they are in a progressive state where hope is a real possibility that is a healthier environment. Much better than the opposite,I don’t think here, the message was get married , but more “you are not alone” A core message

      • another_steve

        Yes. “You are not alone” is the core message. The essential message.

        The internet has probably done more than anything else to reduce adolescent suicide. Even if you live with fundamentalist parents in a repressive household, in your private moments you can go online and spend time with people who understand your experience.

        People who have been there.

        • JWC

          I grew up in a redneck town which wasn’t necessaril anitgay just ignorant My Mom made sure I got to a big city at 18 Will you and your Hubby be watching “When we Rise” on 27/02 /2017 on ABC?

          • another_steve

            Absolutely!

            It’s already on our calendar. πŸ˜‰

          • JWC

            hehe I was just a budding princess back then Few are left to tell you Oh What a Princess

          • another_steve

            I came out in 1972 in New York City. I wasn’t present during the Stonewall riots but I had (still have) friends who were.

            The early 70s were peak activist and social change years for the queer community.

            I could tell ya stories, hon.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/49e9c5e4b9a10db232102492cd0cf092febe601055242c5d3d03645562f1257a.jpg

          • JWC

            you Stonewall was I believe in July In May of that same year PM Trudeau (Justin’s daddy) simply made a speech in parliament saying that the government had NO business in the nations bedrooms and that was that or to quote CNN “alrighty then”

          • McSwagg

            It’s a four part documentary. It airs M-W-Th-F in my locale.

          • JWC

            have it in my day book

    • billbear1961

      You’re assuming progressive blogs will continue, indefinitely, even in a fascist state, which may very well be where we’re headed.

      • another_steve

        The flow of information is like the flow of water. Very very difficult to stop.

        If you divert its course, information, like water, will find a way to continue its travel.

        • billbear1961

          You’ve got a lot more faith in people than I do.

          • another_steve

            I have 100 percent confidence that what there is, that the way of things (what Philosophical Daoists call the “Dao”) is a way of beneficence.

            The universe is not conspiring against us.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Unfortunately, human stupidity is conspiring against us. It may well be we as a species fail and something smarter will prevail.

          • another_steve

            What’s more useful to us as a species will ultimately prevail, imo. It’s more useful for us as a species to be allies with one another than enemies.

            Nature will see to it that in the fullness of time we do what is most useful to us as a species.

          • billbear1961

            And I know how much MANY love to scapegoat, LOVE to HATE.

            And then there are those UTTERLY indifferent to any suffering except their OWN.

          • billbear1961

            I’m sorry, Steve; I’m in a fucking FEROCIOUS mood.

    • Good message there, Steve. The important thing in all this is “choice.”

      Before Windsor and Obergefell, there was little choice…especially a generation ago when even to be partnered was to paint a target on one’s back. Then, to be out was to take a risk, potentially a big one where the cost could be one’s family, home, job, and everything.

      Well, in most of the country now, you can get married on Saturday and fired for it on Monday. That’s awful. But at least one *can* get married, and thus have access to most of the legal protections and civil rights associated with it.

      What I mean to say is that to be publicly LGBT before was invariably a loss of potential life options. Now it’s not. And that, along with increased social acceptance of being LGBT, is what has helped younger folks immeasurably.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I’m hoping that support from the older generation prevents a pot backlash from the new administration.

    • “The trend raises questions about effectiveness, safety”?!

      People wouldn’t do grass if it didn’t work. Sure, some of the more outlandish claims of being some kind of universal panacea should be viewed with skepticism, but there is no question there’s pain relief. Other confirmed benefits include relief from nausea and glaucoma, lower blood pressure, and increased appetite — all useful benefits for many older folks. Seems pretty clear it also can help a lot with Parkinsons, epilepsy, and MS.

      As for safety, since when has a single death or adverse event (other than getting a little freaked if one takes too much) actually occurred? Meanwhile, thousands die every year due to opioid overdoses and negative interactions. The only ‘safety’ issue I saw raised was folks might ‘get dizzy and fall down’ — as if that’s not a problem with other pain meds if the dose is wrong.

      • McSwagg

        I recently saw a news story about a young man who died from an overdose. He was reportedly vaping a concentrated THC extract in excessive amounts. It was an odd, extreme, and rare case, but it’s out there.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Hair Twitler sure does seem to be filling his entire administration with old white dudes, preferably military.

      • clay

        He interviewed four old white dudes for this position, but one of them was not former military– former UN Ambassador Bolton.

        BTW, Military Times started their article this way:
        “As he seeks to get his struggling administration back on track,”

        • billbear1961

          Bolton, a maniac and born BULLY.

          Really surprised he wasn’t chosen.

    • Lars Littlefield

      This is the only legitimate appointment Trump has made. And it’s a good one. McMaster wrote Dereliction of Duty: Johnson, McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which is a reasonable and considered explanation about why Vietnam was a fucking bust from the beginning. Old hippies like me even appreciate his candor criticizing the “highly educated, well-meaning” intellectuals who were responsible for corrupt advice they gave to Johnson and Kennedy.

      He certainly won’t walk in lock step with Trump’s ignorance and paranoia.

      • Don’t forget: The Admin tried to get Harward for this same post, who then turned it down after being told he wouldn’t get to control his own staff and witnessing Donald’s bizarre 70 minute press conference melt-down.

        The fact they’re trying for another reasonably well-qualified candidate suggests to me anyway that Donald had no real hand in picking him (or Harward), nor President Bannon, but probably the Priebus-Pence axis.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          He should still insist on having only his picked team on board. I wonder if the PP team basically said, “Fuck Donald, any more refusals and you’ll look like a loser!”

          • GlennF

            Pence and Priebus realize it’s not just the Donald that’ll look like a loser if he’s allowed to continue to f-up, but the entire rethuglican party and it’s far right-wing legislative and judicial agenda will suffer as a result also.

        • Lars Littlefield

          Yes. Maybe. Possibly. Probably. Yes. We shall see. But I suspect the general is smarter than Bannon and will be able to thwart Bannon’s efforts to destroy the country.

      • boobert

        I can’t believe a qualified person would allow bannon calling the shots.

        • Lars Littlefield

          Bannon may well have met his Waterloo. But Bannon is supposed to be a big fan of the retired general. We shall see.

    • Jay George
      • Treant

        Congratulations, I am now going to carry a Sharpie with me everywhere.

        • Jay George

          Yep. It’s now mandatory.

      • billbear1961

        LOL

        Thank you for making me LAUGH, ma chΓ©rie!

        • Jay George

          You’re welcome! πŸ™‚ I’m in ‘laugh or go insane’ mode. I figured y’all are probably right there with me. πŸ˜‰

          • billbear1961

            You figured CORRECTLY.

            XO

    • billbear1961

      Why doesn’t he just MOVE into that goddamned club?!

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I will never stop hating the double standard of harping on Obama for the occasional vacation but handwaving the huge $$$$ going into letting Trump tralala all over the place at OUR EXPENSE because the White House isn’t as golden as his creepy tower.

      • billbear1961

        Radio-Canada said this morning that if he keeps spending at the current rate, he will cost the nation in eight MONTHS what it took Obama eight YEARS to spend.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          What I wonder is if all the future GOP pres noms will try to imitate the self-indulgent practices of Rump or do they fear that they don’t have the Golden Peesicle’s ability to get away with being such a lazy and extravagant bum.

        • Tomcat

          It’s alright because they are going to pay for it with social cuts to everything the poor and middle class need.
          And those new tax cuts will be raining down even more debt on the middle class soon as they are passed.
          Trickle, trickle, Donald has a little pickle.

          • billbear1961

            And they will blame all the hardship THEY cause on the wicked Democrats who, despite having NO power, will SOMEHOW be responsible for GOP policies.

            And the right-wing propaganda machine will convince HALF the country these OBVIOUS lies are the TRUTH.

  • AtticusP

    Love the photo of Mr. Obergefell and Ms. Windsor together.

    You can’t always tell what heroes look like, but there are two of them in that picture.

  • fuzzybits
    • Jay George

      It’s 70 degrees where I live in February. It doesn’t bode well for summer.

      • MB

        Albuquerque has had almost 3 weeks of 55-70 degree weather in late January and February. Me thinks this summer is going to be a scorcher.

      • The_Wretched

        It rained at was nearly 60 in Minnesota yesterday and rainy in February. It’s unheard of. It’s our coldest month of the year and the average is 13-29 degrees.

        • Jay George

          I read that 2016 was the hottest year on record worldwide. If this is any indication for 2017, we are in trouble.

          • The_Wretched

            Spring snow / ice pack melt helps ensure the ground moisture for planting. If it all melts and runs off during the winter months, we get less water available for agriculture. And we don’t have dams & weirs to keep the waters back nor the means necessarily to redistribute it to the agricultural lands.

          • McSwagg

            The top 15 hottest years have been since 2000. The el nino / la nina has shifted this year, so 2017 may buck that trend. But there are no guarantees.

      • McSwagg

        We’ve been breaking record highs in the mid 80s here. I fear summer will come early and last longer. Add to that an increased chance for hurricanes. I so want to move away from this swamp.

        • Jay George

          I want to take off to the great white north myself while it still exists anyway. I hate the south. Hate. It.

          • McSwagg

            Same here. My “wish list” for relocation at the moment includes Colorado, western Washington, and Alaska.

    • MB

      My potted dianthus from 3 years ago has once again survived the winter and has many little red blossoms on plants that are already 4 inches high. Other dianthus that I got over the last 2 years didn’t survive the cold

  • Gerry Fisher

    I always sensed that it was about more than just the individual marriages.

    • McSwagg

      I remember thinking as a teen that I wanted to get married and have the “house with the white picket fence” but I knew that was impossible. For today’s youth, just the fact that it is possible makes a huge difference, even if they chose another path.

  • safari

    It’s amazing in this day and age to have out gay role models and queer families. Growing up and going through coming to terms with being gay, I felt like the only people I could look toward were the closeted teachers that were whispered about but themselves were never open. TV and movies didn’t help because it seems they were either about dying of AIDS, being queer bashed, or made to make the gay characters acceptably campy / girl’s best friend disarming. I’m glad the youth of today have more positive role models and culture, even if it isn’t fully embraced.

    • JWC

      very Much so In the Christmas classic “A Wonderful Life” there is a derogatory Gay slur After he has met his ‘angle and thet are in the bar discussing a drink the bartender says’Listen you 2 pixies make up your minds…” As tuff as it was it was a fascinating road to go from that to this Lost 14 to Aids in the darkest of it

    • Bj Lincoln

      It is much more accepted and more help available today than when I grew up. We had nothing. I knew in the early 70’s but didn’t come out until I was 22 in the early 80’s. Even then there was nothing but the local bar. I would ‘go to the store’ so I could run in to the bar and grab all the new printed material. It was the only connection I had to the LGBT community. I even answered a few personal ads. I ate up every fact and followed the news. When the internet became public, I was on it in a flash looking for information and have been a political junkie since.

    • Paige Turnerβ„’

      I have this conversation a lot with my straight friends – I am a Gay Man of 50. Growing up with the threat of AIDS as a death sentence constantly hanging over you was almost unbearable.

      I remember being about 18 and seeing a tele-movie called “An early frost”. Spoiler alert – The 2 main characters are WASP Men and get AIDS and die. It depressed me for years afterwards. I convinced myself that I had AIDS and would eventually die too. I was 18. My own family were also homophobic and unsupportive and remain so to this day.

      Its a form of PTSD.

      At 50 I am lucky in many ways. I remained physically healthy and mentally resilient albeit at the cost of a functional sex life until recently (Thanks PrEP) and a functional long term romantic relationship. Many of my Gay brothers have not been so lucky. The ones who survived are in toxic relationships, have given up or have scars that wont heal. They are zombies.

      This generation doesn’t need to have that pain and marriage equality is part of the healing that needs to happen. It costs nothing to straight people and yet pays dividends to the rest of the community.

      • GetItStraight

        Wow. Overly dramatic much?

        I grew up in the same era (I’m 47) and once I learned the basics of HIV transmission, I was good to go.

        It is PTSD or is it anxiety/hypchondria that you’re dealing with.

        I don’t know who your “Gay brothers” are, but I know plenty of gay men in happy relationships of longstranding duration. True some relationships are bad (or “toxic”) as you say, but the same sorts of relationships are seen in the hetero community.

        If you’re blaming the presence of HIV and a lack of access to legal same-sex marriage for your lack of a relationship/sex life, I think you’re pointing fingers in the wrong direction.

        • The_Wretched

          I was going to ignore you first comment but you need to stop being an asshat and troll.

          • McSwagg

            He’s a “drive by ghost troll” here to get his lulz at our expense. He’ll never see your response.

        • Paige Turnerβ„’

          Developing empathy for another others journey and realising that not everyone lives in the same part of the world that you do would help you develop a world view beyond the one at the end of your hut. I can only assume from your rant that you are a disaffected American (excuse the tautology).

  • 2patricius2

    Not surprising. Now the goal of the 45/Pence Administration is to reverse those gains.

    • The only “good” lgbt person is one who is fully 100% abstinent or dead. They prefer dead.

  • GetItStraight

    Uh….am I missing something? There was an observed decrease in (self-reported) teen suicide ATTEMPTS, but (as far as I can tell) no decrease in suicides.

    Two different outcomes, very different outcomes.

    And based upon teen self-reports only? No confirmation by medical care received after said “suicide attempt”?

    Yeah….not impressed..

  • fuzzybits

    OT: Kurt Cobain would’ve been 50 today. http://i.imgur.com/7cAde4u.jpg

  • JCF
  • greenmanTN

    Odd how not being treated like a POS can be benificial, isn’t it?

    So of course the Republicans want to undo it because there isn’t enough suffering in the world and they have to add to it.

  • david fairfield

    Not the case in Utah, gay teen suicide is higher. Anyone want to guess why?

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