REPORT: Trump Administration Mulls Mobilizing 100,000 National Guard Troops To Round Up Immigrants

Via Reuters:

The Trump administration is considering mobilizing as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up non-citizens who are in the country illegally, the Associated Press said in a tweet on Friday without citing a source.

UPDATE: From the Associated Press.

The Trump administration is considering a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by The Associated Press.

The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana. Four states that border on Mexico are included in the proposal — California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas — but it also encompasses seven states contiguous to those four — Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana.

Governors in the 11 states would have a choice whether to have their guard troops participate, according to the memo, written by U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, a retired four-star Marine general. While National Guard personnel have been used to assist with immigration-related missions on the U.S.-Mexico border before, they have never been used as broadly or as far north.

The memo is addressed to the then-acting heads of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs and Border Protection. It would serve as guidance to implement the wide-ranging executive order on immigration and border security that President Donald Trump signed Jan. 25. Such memos are routinely issued to supplement executive orders.

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Boreal

      The first thing that came to mind when I saw the headline was Kristallnacht.

      • Gene

        just a few weeks ago, I tried to explain what that was after I had used it in a sentence. the Trumpster I was talking to told me to “stop exaggerating and making shit up”…

        I left. sat in my home library, total silence..and, wept.

        • Bob Conti

          The similarities in the propaganda wars, making shit up and demonizing the press and minority groups is frightening.

          ://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/854a127c41025d4ba9d96f80998f8c3c93c980db4773e28125cdc32bc8c39fd2.jpg

          • Paul David

            It’s interesting what being a sinister little shit does to a person!

            This little fucktwat is 31 years old!!!!!!!

            !!!!!!!!!

          • Oh, Parker

            The face of a serial killer.

          • Paul David

            I was thinking more genocide.

            This is the face of a guy who gets a “bright idea” about a “final solution” and then completely nerds out on design, efficiency, and speed of use of industrial-sized ovens.

            He’s scary as fuck.

          • Snarkaholic

            The dead eyes speak volumes.

          • Orly

            🙂 That’s what I’ve been calling him: Dead eyes.

          • Bob Conti
          • Paul David

            Gross.

          • Smartypants

            Goebbels was only 33 when Hitler came to power.

          • CottonBlimp

            He’s got the same dead, soulless eyes as Putin. He looks like if he saw a child being murdered in front of him, his eyes wouldn’t even open all the way in surprise.

          • narutomania

            If he were an actor in a movie, we would say he was type-cast.

          • Barry William Teske

            Coincidence?
            I think not.
            Humanity has a tendency of walking in to the same traps.
            Yes, we endure.
            But for the pain of it all.

          • SelectFromWhere

            He used to work for Michelle Bachmann–NO WONDER

        • Chris Baker

          If you had mentioned “home library” to the Trumpster, he would have said you were making up TWO things. “you cant fit a big building like a library inside your house!”

        • Waarki

          Those who do not remember the past….

      • sam

        Boreal, the first thing that came to my mind, I “JUST: canceled the re-order of the high blood pressure pills, then the Mary Mother of that Kid,
        at my age do I really have to go outside again to start protesting? With tear gas masks again. I would if they came into the New England area.
        And so it begins…………….and it’s going to be VERY UGLY, for the Administration. The Guards should be sent to DC and then detained and deported Congress, Senate and Drunpfs gang back to their origins. I am sure Europe does not want them back. Australia started out with criminals, but that issue has been settled.
        I heard an interesting little ditty, that parents are not sending their children to school anymore, due to the fright of the family. This is just sickening.

        • McSwagg

          Not sending their kids to school is itself a legal violation that can result in hefty fines if the truancy officer pursues the issue.

    • perversatile
  • pj

    he better not.

  • bkmn

    I would think and hope that more than a few National Guard might balk at this order.

    • Tawreos

      How many of those troops come from immigrant families?

  • Tawreos

    I did see that governors in the states affected would have final say over whether or not their national guard troops would participate, but since most statehouses are under GOP control it isn’t much of a hope.

  • j.martindale

    Riots in the making.

    • Oh, Parker

      They’re going to need more than 100k. We’ve already shown we can mobilize more than that within a couple of hours anywhere in the country. They’ll spend all of their time defending themselves.

  • Uncle Mark

    You know Trump had to put this rumor out before his rally this weekend. Gotta make sure his deplorable base turns up.

    • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

      It really is a Golden Oldie for him.

    • BobSF_94117

      I wonder if his goal is to get his supporters to come out or to provoke violent protest…

      • bzrd

        bannon’s goal is to provoke violent protest thus a good reason to declare marshal law

        • Cody in CT

          martial law

          • Mikey

            that’s ok, Marshal is Jude’s cousin.

          • MB

            Martial, Martial, Martial….

            https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wPOYGMova0I/maxresdefault.jpg

            Oh Jan….How Wude.

          • bzrd

            stressed
            stressed and fuckin’ stressed
            so can’t think
            and spell check doesn’t think

          • cleos_mom

            Literacy is so over-rated, nicht wahr?

          • ColdCountry

            Homophones are my special Boggart, too. Not necessarily a function of literacy.

          • bzrd

            thanks,
            stressed

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      • Xiao Ai

        Both.

      • OdieDenCO

        4 dead in Ohio will look like the good old days. I think donny & co are looking for anyway possible to invoke martial law.

      • Steverino

        The Koch brothers are promoting “hand-to-hand combat” against the Resistence protestors.

        • boatboy_srq

          I’ll take them up on that, but only if I can go h2h with the Kochs themselves.

          • Steverino

            They would fold like the cheap suits they wear.

          • boatboy_srq

            I probably wouldn’t be able to do much damage through all the protective gear they’d demand anyway.

        • bambinoitaliano

          Will they be paying more than the Soro’s protesters? Just asking before I committed to one.

          • cleos_mom

            I’ll sign up if the deal includes a nasty weapon.

        • Remember when we progressive suggested stuff like this for the Tea Party protests?

          https://twitter.com/Talkmaster/status/832425385275039744

          -_-

          • Steverino

            I didn’t know that boor Neal Boortz was still a thing.

          • Daveed_WOW

            Can we order some for use in Florida on Saturday?

      • NancyP

        Both

    • JT

      I wonder if they’ll check the crazies for guns since they want them to be free to carry.

    • Mark

      I see it more of a ‘response’ to the Day w/o Immigrant event yesterday. Revenge, so to speak….

    • Rand503

      I reserved my two tickets. It’s easy. And no way am I attending!

    • Todd20036

      I wonder if the National Guard would ever be willing to do such a thing. Or if people would let them

  • olandp

    I don’t think he can do that.

    • Boreal

      I think they will twist it to justify anything they do:
      ‘Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution (the Militia
      Clause) also authorizes use of the National Guard under continuing state control but in the service of the federal government to
      “execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel
      invasions.”
      These provisions are unique to the National Guard.’
      http://www.ngaus.org/sites/default/files/pdf/primer%20fin.pdf

      • suppress insurrections
        which bannon and pootie will use to start rounding up protestors, who conveniently are all in one place (that is, in each place where there is a protest).

      • Ray Taylor

        They justify it under “repel invasions”.
        /s

        • Boreal

          That was my thought as well.

  • Sam_Handwich

    the chief of the National Guard Bureau is doing a facebook Q and A at 11am ET. i’m not on FB

    https://twitter.com/Holdthebaloney/status/832613369932894209

  • kirtanloorii

    Just when you think he can’t get any dumber.

    • Tawreos

      This isn’t dumb this is getting scary

      • kirtanloorii

        He’ll fail and then just sit there looking like an idiot in the courts.

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Todd20036

      Yeah, I’m speaking out too. As I keep telling people, it’s not just illegals they are going after.
      They’re going after legal immigrants.
      They’re going after refugees.

  • Secure

    Who will be harvesting all those crops? How much produce will rot? How many farms will go bankrupt? How much will food prices soar? How many restaurants will close? How many people will lose their jobs?

    That’s just from agriculture alone.

    • Ray Taylor

      How much will Target drop?

  • Gustav2

    If you are going to start rounding certain types people up it is important that your enforcement group does not contain ‘the other.’

    The SS didn’t have a whole of Jewish members (/s), the National Guard has all sorts of folks.

  • Rolf
  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    If the crazy press conference yesterday didn’t do the trick to change the subject from Russia, then maybe this hail mary pass will?

  • Michael R

    Meanwhile …

    Jason Chaffetz using his checks and balances—on Hillary Clinton aide

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/17/1634811/-Jason-Chaffetz-using-his-checks-and-balances-on-Hillary-Clinton-aide

  • Sam_Handwich

    the AP’s source is a leaked draft memo

    According to the 11-page draft memo, the Trump administration is
    considering an unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement
    as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-national-guard-immigrants_us_58a71356e4b037d17d271bcb?section=politics

    • BobSF_94117

      Hold on. What about the Red States?

      • Rebecca Gardner

        “and as far east as New Orleans.”

        Red States would be Arizona, Texas, Louisiana right?

        • pj

          yes on arizona

        • BobSF_94117

          Well, yes, but not the heart of the red, in the Southeast. TX and AZ, being border states make more sense. But why LA and not SC or GA?

        • Stogiebear

          New Mexico is blue but has a Repube governor.

  • JoeMyGod

    Refresh for an update…..

  • pootie isn’t wasting any time, i see.

    like i’ve been saying, we really need the military (as well as the courts) to step up, and start refusing and resisting. i don’t know any active members of the NatG right now, but it seems like a good time to communicate with the organization in our homes states and let them know this is fascism, and they should must not participate if this order comes down.

    • David L. Caster

      It’s not going to happen. This is a ruse.

      • McSwagg

        The Texas National Guard has been on border patrol since 2014.

        • David L. Caster

          Being on border patrol is different from actively, and well away from the border, hunting down, rounding up, and deporting people.

  • Bess Watts

    This is not normal.

  • thom

    don’t fall for it (yet)
    they’re throwing something out to distract, then will deny they were thinking about it. another way to call the media liars.
    sounds like the rumors of the LGBT executive orders,cthe 20% tax to pay for the wall, RFK Jr. chairing the vaccines board.
    they’re trying to get us to look like crazy conspiracy theory nuts.
    if confirmation comes down that this is serious then get ready for one of the largest grassroots movement in decades

    • another_steve

      The “distract game” is played by both sides.

      Remember the tape of Trump using the ‘n’ word that was about to come out during the campaign? And then the Russian whore pissing tape? Both were apparently attempts by entrepreneurs on the left to garner attention and make money for their various publications and the like.

      There is, in fact, “fake news” — and both sides promulgate it.

  • Michael White

    Sweet baby jeebus this is the night time knocks on the door by the Gestopo

  • Mike C

    If this happens they are damned well going to be met with armed resistance and we *will* most certainly be plunged into a violent nightmare we never thought we would see in a free country. This does not end well.

  • David L. Caster

    This sounds more like a ploy to locate the source of the leaks coming out of the WH.

    • that’s an interesting theory.

      • David L. Caster

        We may never know, but if there is a big scene made of a firing in the WH then we might be able to connect the dots. If such a process is going on, it may take a few more of these test balloons to isolate and expose the source(s) of the leaks. Then again, given the ineptitude of those in near orbit around trump, the tactic might not work if the leakers are smart.

  • AtticusP

    Trump has made it very clear that he only intends to be president for the 27% of the Americans who voted for him. And I’m sure that they were thrilled with his performance yesterday.

    This will not end well.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7766a9d830894aa526ec25f4f915dc548b0c0778cc4711da34242982ba9aff0a.jpg

  • Paula

    This immediately made me think of the Ludlow Massacre. What could possibly go wrong?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

  • Max_1
  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Really no doubt now that Trump and his goons are trying to impose a fascist state upon America. Lock them all up!!

  • Henry Auvil

    Noche de cristal…

  • Xiao Ai
  • Raising_Rlyeh

    What’s next, fucking secret police and people turning in their neighbors because they helped immigrants?

    • canoebum

      Bounty hunters. $500 per individual captured, regardless of age. A mother with babe in arms is a two-fer!

      • bzrd

        nope, baby probably a citizen

        • canoebum

          You think that will matter? ICE has deported many US citizens without due process.

    • Steverino

      Nazi-style against those who hid Jews, and Uganda-style against those who hide gays.

  • JoeMyGod
    • Xiao Ai

      So it is true then.

      • another_steve

        I think the White House implementing such an order now — when there’s generally-recognized chaos and confusion there — is very unlikely.

        There’s probably a draft proposal for the action circulating, but I doubt they’ve decided to implement such a thing at this time.

    • Sam_Handwich

      the leak isn’t fake but the news is. got it

    • Lazycrockett

      Yeah you’re trustworthy.

    • Sam_Handwich

      AP says they asked the WH for comment before publishing the story and they declined

      • billbear1961

        It’s not the AP’s fault if they’ve been deliberately misled by the regime!

    • canoebum

      If Sean Spicer announced that ducks like water I would still have my doubts.

    • ByronK

      If his mouth or fingers are moving, he’s lying.

      • geoffalnutt

        Never trust anything said by the regime. Ever.

    • bambinoitaliano

      Like I’m going to take the words of a Hollywood celebrity impersonator.

    • Waarki

      How many fingers do you see?

  • BobSF_94117

    TGIF is being replaced with OSIF…

  • Blake Mason

    Ethnic Cleansing… pure and simple.

  • billbear1961

    It better be 100% false, Spicer!!

    FUCK the goddamned illegitimate FASCIST regime you GROVEL to serve!!

    Fuck Trump and his NAZI Svengali, Bannon!!

    • grada3784

      The Sphincter has been lying all along. What makes you think it’ll tell the truth now?

    • MB

      Good morning Mr. Fuzzy-face 🙂

      ~ Some Quiet Reflections for a raucous and noisy world ~

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpEIa-fcRN0

  • thom

    and here we go…
    WH’s Sean Spicer on AP immigrant roundup report: “That is 100% not true. It is false. It is irresponsible to be saying this.”

    they’re trying to play the media. if the AP up on this it’s the only thing we’ll hear about for a decade

  • Rex

    False. He’s mobilizing the troops to show up at his rally on Saturday.

  • Paula

    Companies that manufacture railroad box cars are going to get rich.
    Trump is creating jobs!!! Whodathunk?

  • ChrisInKansas

    And the riots start when?

    • the protests MUST stay peaceful. any violence will be used as an excuse to employ the guard to add protestors to the list of people to round up.

      • billbear1961

        ^^This!!^^

        • geoffalnutt

          Bannon wants/needs violence. We must not give it to him.

          • Dicky

            I forget what I was reading or watching, but after the Women’s March, there was a comment or tweet that the policing forces are those who determine whether your “protest” was violent enough to warrant action, not the protesters.
            While protests may be peaceful, they can just call it violence or lawlessness and go about their merry way. Given the current distrust of anyone not in the ingroup, it would not be difficult for them to garner support.

  • ChrisInKansas

    So we’re next month then?

  • Steverino

    Not today, motherfucker!

  • thom

    “AP reporter noted they asked multiple times before publication”
    “Requests to the WH and the DHS for comment and a status report on the proposal were not answered.”

    It was a plant by Trump to discredit the media

  • Greg B.

    Did we ever get to the bottom of Melania’s immigration history? Did she have paid modeling gigs before she was legally authorized to work in the U.S.? Did she enter into an arranged sham marriage for the sole purpose of obtaining a green card? If one or both of those claims is true, she could be deported and prohibited from reentering the country. Melania — if you’re reading this, this may be your chance to escape the orange ogre!

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      She’s a whore, darlin’

      • geoffalnutt

        A very sad whore, evidently…at least when she has to be with Cheetolini.

    • lol

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    Posse Comitatus Act… Does not apply to the National Guard.

    • Steverino

      Trump wants to grab their posse.

  • Ninja0980

    This story doesn’t appear to be true.
    And even though the AP ask for comments, folks won’t read that.
    They’ll hear how the AP was wrong and therefore shouldn’t be trusted.

  • greenmanTN

    You know what’s so awful about this? Trump supporters actually think this is a great idea.

    Given half a chance, Bannon would tear this country down. He is a nihilist.

    • Steverino

      Bannon acts like a fascist, but calls himself a Leninist.

      If a Democratic administration had anybody ideologically equivalent to this, there would be howls of outrage calling for a firing squad.

      • greenmanTN

        And therein lies the irony. If a Democrat pulled even half of this shit the GOP would be screaming like scalded cats.

  • Rick

    This seems like another distraction tactic deployed to keep the media busy enough to forget about that whole Russia-hacked-the-election thingy.

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      Вы, вероятно, правы, товарищ

  • thom

    show your receipts, AP. publish the draft memo

  • Lazycrockett
    • Sam_Handwich

      Spicer now saying the source was a leaked transcript of one of Steve Bannon’s wet dreams.

      • Joe in PA

        Teeheehee. Eeewwwh, but teeheehee.

      • billbear1961

        There are 3 things we require NOW: Trump’s TAX RETURNS, congressional in addition to IC investigations of the Russian connections, and the IMMEDIATE DISMISSAL OF BANNON!!

      • BudClark

        EEEWWW!!! GROSS!!! The very THOUGHT of that THING producing semen ALMOST made me lose my LUNCH!

  • Ben in Oakland

    Front page of the chronicle today.

    A MUSLIM IMMIGRANT voted for Trumpee. He now regrets his vote.

    Since he’s a citizen, he could vote. Nevertheless, I do hope that he and his family get rounded up by “mistake.”.

    • Boreal

      I would like to have pity for him but he voted for trump.

      • Ben in Oakland

        I would like to have pity on him, but I just washed my hair, and pity makes it frizzy.

    • Pip

      I know Muslims that voted for him here in Denver. I was baffled, and had to know why. So I finally just asked a few. Was told women should never be in government. I just had to walk away before I said something that could get me fired.

      • Ben in Oakland

        Unbelievable. I would hope they enjoy a nice long vacation in Iran, but they’re citizens. Maybe they’ll get rounded up anyway.

        • Pip

          Sure they are, but their parents, uncles, aunts, and cousins they are housing aren’t. That’s what had me so freaking baffled.

          • Ben in Oakland

            Well you know what say about guests, especially relatives.

  • Joe in PA

    Simple way to stop the immigrants…stop hiring them. Yeah, good luck with that.

    Also there is this little tidbit about Trump Winery:

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/trump-winery-begs-labor-dept-to-hire-more-foreign-workers-over-americans-for-second-time-in-3-months/

    What the actual fuck.

    • yea, i read that this morning. what the fuck indeed.

      • No surprise there… you expected anything else from the guy who spent a quarter of the campaign bitching about H1B visas?

  • Statistics Palin

    I used to call the DHS “the Keystone Gestapo” during the reign of Dubya. Now they’re just “the Gestapo.”

  • Clive Johnson

    This is what Bannon’s white nationalism/white supremacy looks like. It’s intimately connected with a social darwinist/libertarian view of society.

    Apparently the Drumpf administration also wants to deport LEGAL immigrants:
    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/31/14457678/trump-order-immigrants-welfare

    “This executive action, though — according to the draft obtained by Vox, which seems consistent with the Post’s reporting — would ask the Department of Homeland Security to issue a rule saying that an immigrant can’t be admitted to the US if he’s likely to get any benefit “determined in any way on the basis of income, resources, or financial need.””

    It’s perfectly understandable, just and fair, that recent immigrants would need help adjusting to a new country. Not to the Trumpanzees. Instead they seem to view non-natives/non-whites as inherently parasitic in nature, a drain on American society. Forget all the crooks in executive suites committing crimes and dodging taxes, it’s the suspicious “foriners” who are the problem.

    At some point the thought might alight momentarily if dimly in the minds of Trumptards that persecution of people that are not like them doesn’t magically make their lives better. The scapegoating impulse intrinsic to the white nationalist/supremacist view of the world logically can’t produce the results it promises since these vaguely defined non-American others are not causing problems.

    • bzrd

      Immigrants and refugees are treated differently in many countries. While refugees may get financial help and housing for awhile, immigrants must show financial backing so they won’t be a drain on society, and that they will not be taking a job away from a citizen.

      • Clive Johnson

        People are treated differently depending on their circumstances, of course. Immigrants are no different in this regard.

        The idea that immigrants take jobs away from a citizen is largely mythical. And what does it even mean that someone would “take” your job? You’re not entitled to any job unless you’re qualified for it. If an immigrant is admitted to work here to becomes a new citizen they have every right to a given job as you do.

        It’s interesting that you frame immigrants in this negative way vis-a-vis jobs, since it shows your bias against them. There are any number of immigrants who actually create jobs when they get here.

        And if we’re going to broaden the discussion as to what encourages or prevents jobs–a discussion that must happen if we’re to be fully honest about all the social and political realities at play–then let’s talk about all the ways in which free market ideology prevents immigrants and others from starting businesses. The threat to American jobs from immigrants is minuscule at the very best.

        On the other hand a substantial threat to jobs, entrepreneurship and profitability is the “free market” in health care–health insurance companies, Big pharma, etc.. which creates too much risk and cost for many people. The US actually has a lower rate of small business ownership than in other countries:
        https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/10/think-were-the-most-entrepreneurial-country-in-the-world-not-so-fast/263102/

        Immigrants aren’t the problem. At all. This is a right-wing bogey man that obscures all the other ways in which our current system works against our economic interests.

  • boatboy_srq

    Because of course all of Those People© are clambering over the totally inadequate hedge-and-picket-fence border and not going farther than the first state or two before settling into their lives of crime and drugs and stealing Ahmurrrrrcan jerbs.

    /s

    • Joe in PA

      Don’t forget all the welfare we give them!!! /s

  • Joe in PA

    Every single day…a new horror.

  • Tomcat

    Just a means to find leakers, nothing serious.

    • mpatreyu

      That’s an interesting thought. If you lay a trap for the leakers and they fall for it they will be found out. The WH only needs to do it a couple of times to get the leaks to stop because they (leakers) will always be wondering whether something is true or a setup. Worst case scenario it is both a trap and true….

  • Paul David

    This is meat so red it’s practically still quivering.

    Imagine what all the uneducated white duded with trucks and a poor understanding of civics are thinking right now!

    • Joe in PA

      you mean, the folks that voted for Trump, right?

      • Paul David

        Yes!

        I’m so glad that the rural and exurban white working class–what, with their excellent schools and history of learning and scholarship–are the group in America today that decides who runs our domestic and foreign policy!

  • Joe in PA

    Ok, bring it Trumpee…but first let’s reinstate the draft. Uday and his brother first, k? And no deferment for “bone spurs” this time.

  • Barry William Teske

    Oh look!
    White guy in position of devastating power.
    Abuses that power to further a problem already profiting from.
    Capitalism and White Nationalism.
    Mmmm Mmmm Good?
    How’s that tasting these days?

    Sure is not a brand I will invest in.

  • JoeMyGod
    • JoeMyGod
    • Joe in PA

      Ya know, he is going to joke about this at his rally today. Fake news et. al. But then he’ll say “but ya know, that sounds like a great idea.” Queue thunderous applause from the adoring crowd.

      Sigh.

    • pootie isn’t stupid. the crown jewel of a free society is a free and critical press. ours has really fallen down on the job for the past few years, but at least some of their product has been informative and useful.

      but i think he’s miscalculated. esp after last night’s wtf performance by drumpf, i don’t believe there will be an increase in the number of people who don’t trust the press. it’s much easier to just perceive that all those fucksticks in the WH are lying liars, who are deliberately fucking with the press.

      • CottonBlimp

        Honestly, that might even be their real agenda. Even if we were to impeach Trump today, or the first day of his inauguration, the office of the President has been permanently delegitimized, and America’s image in the world may never recover.

    • DaddyRay

      They are trying to identify the leakers

      • David L. Caster

        That was my guess.

  • Tomcat

    Everything being done by the Administration is a deflection from what congress is doing. They keep us arguing about stupid things while they jam through their deals.

  • Bomer

    Is the goosestepping mandatory or optional?

  • Mark

    Go ahead. I fucking dare him. The flyback is gonna be more…much, much more than he ever imagined…and it won’t be drizzled in fake gold.

  • disqus_D9pH1OIG67

    Aren’t there posse comitatus
    problems with this?

    • UrsusArctos

      Not exactly. If they are “state” troops (National Guard) acting under the governor and cooperating with the feds it’s kosher. There has been a series of SCOTUS rulings that give the executive the power to “nationalize” the Guard in extreme circumstance. So there’s a way around posse comitatus.

    • Pip

      From Wiki: The Act only specifically applies to the United States Army and, as amended in 1956, the United States Air Force. While the Act does not explicitly mention the United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps, the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the Act force with respect to those services as well. The Act does not apply to the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state’s governor. The United States Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act either, primarily because although the Coast Guard is an armed service, it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission.

      Sorry was too lazy to type it all out in my own words.

  • Lazycrockett
    • ding ding ding!

    • BobSF_94117

      Cuz they asked for it to 1) find leaks 2) get us to stop talking about Russia 3) shits and grins — it’s Friday!

      • Earl

        Not after sundown, yet. 🙂

        • Bad Tom

          But sundown comes every day.
          We only have to wait.

      • Pip

        We’ll likely start seeing all sorts of crazy things leak. It’s just a matter of time before they start releasing false info to find leaks. It’s a two-for. They get to find the leaks, and show that the media reports on false information.

    • MB

      Kelly is “a dope, a no action-dummy and a so-called, boring, dishonest Secretary….will do anything to stay at the trough.”
      His ideas are “totally-biased and very disloyal. He must be” an establishment flunky. Terrible and unfair, all talk and no action.”
      Total disaster….

      /s

      * Trump’s own words excerpted from his endless list of insults

  • GayOldLady

    This is another trial balloon to see if it would fly before they set it in motion. Now they’re going to cry, “lying press”.

    If you have time go freep this poll
    https://action.donaldjtrump.com/mainstream-media-accountability-survey/

    • Sam_Handwich

      it doesn’t record a response unless you make a donation

      fake poll

      • ggg

        Are you sure? I “voted” and it thanked me for my vote, although I did not donate. I was forced to give an email, name, and zip code.

        • ggg

          I may have missed something . . . but seemed like it was done with the survey and on to an option to donate

        • Sam_Handwich

          ok maybe i’m wrong! seemed like i was prompted to donate after i finished the poll (which was really ridiculous anyway)

          • ggg

            In any case its a long and painful and dumb survey served up to a specific crowd to garner the results they want to see.

      • GayOldLady

        Oh. I thought it recorded the response when you put in your

        Name: Mary Jane Weed

        and your

        email address: HRHuff&[email protected]

        • Oh, Parker

          Yeah I used fake info too except my real zip so they would know it came from Pence’s old turf.

    • Mark

      It reads like a 7th grader’s punishment assignment.

      • ggg

        One of the questions was “If the Republicans had obstructed Obama the way the Democrats are obstructing Trump, do you think the media would have held their feet to the fire?” Kind of funny and ironic and sad as a question, but mostly wtf????

        • Mark

          That is the one where I bailed. The fucks are trying to re-write history by erasing their past.

    • anne marie in philly
      • ggg

        Is it better to mark the ones so obviously that are clearly not to be taken seriously, or do we think they will just throw out all the responses that don’t contain the answers they want.

    • Earl

      Done, holy crap, what a bunch of dishonestly written questions. I used ‘other’ mostly, so I could express myself.

      I was sorta polite. I only said “Jesus Christ…” on 6 of the questions.

    • Pip

      WTF on the wording of some of these.

      14. Do you believe that contrary to what the media says, raising taxes does not create jobs?

      Just WTF

  • Tomcat

    If they point over there, look behind you. They are magicians at deflecting your attention people. They are trying to destroy the media outlets so they can create their own propaganda media.

  • MB
  • I wonder who’s next.

    • ByronK

      Us?

  • Chris Baker

    Not sure of all the technicalities, but doesn’t the Posse Comitatus Act prohibit that? And for the National Guard, it has to be under the Governor’s authority.

    Maybe someone can clarify?

    • Mark

      Shit…Abbot (texas) will lick trump’s ass with speed and efficiency. Trump doesn’t even need to bend over. Abbot will wheel up behind him – and lickety-split!

      • McSwagg

        Perry deployed the Texas National Guard to the border in 2014 and Abbott recently extended the mission. This is old news.

    • The president can nationalize the National Guard, as happened in Alabama in the ’60s.

    • Tomcat

      Governors have to give the OK. However the guard is allowed to do this as long as the people rounded up are NOT citizens or greencard holders.

    • Stogiebear

      Greg Abbott will ok this so fast he’ll get a hardon for the first time since that tree fell on him and paralyzed him from the waist down.

      • McSwagg

        Perry OKed this in 2014. Abbott extended the mission last year.

  • ByronK

    Welcome to the beginnings of your new police state.

    • Earl

      The foundations were laid quite some time ago. 🙁

      This is not the beginning, it might be the end of the beginning, but we’ve a way to go before we finally end up in a hell on Earth.

    • UrsusArctos

      The beginnings go back to “The Patriot Act”. ICE/CBP was expanded to a national police by giving them authority within 100 miles of any border, coastline, or international airport. That covers most of the east and a lot of the west.

  • anne marie in philly

    HOW in the hell do you tell who is “illegal” and who is not? just going by skin color DOES NOT make someone “illegal”. ANOTHER FUCKING FAILURE by dump and his brownshirts! oh, and sean, STFU, YOU LIAR!

    • Tomcat

      We age not far from having to wear the MARK.

    • William

      Papiere, bitte.

  • Waarki
    • Ross

      Exactly.

      Perfect.

      Tragic.

      Thank you.

    • karmanot

      I can never forget this massacre. Years later I interviewed for a job on the Kent State facility and I swear that campus was haunted by an atmosphere of murder.

      • Bj Lincoln

        It is will always will be. Great school and town but draped in sadness.

    • JDS

      I saw a news special about this on either PBS or HBO. They interviewed the survivors and the people at the event. Very chilling. I’m from Ohio and Gov. Rhodes who instigated the shootings never apologized. Never.

      • Bj Lincoln

        Rhodes was also re-elected. I am from Ohio and went to Kent just a few years after this happened. It is still a very sad day on campus every year and part of our heritage as students clear up today. I’m in Maryland now and even here I get the occasional sad face of recognition if I mention my Alma mater.

        • JDS

          I was very young with this happened. I just remember the news reports from the time. Watching the special was very eye-opening.

          • Bj Lincoln

            To be fair, the students were pretty bad the night before burning things and one building but they did not deserve what happened the next day. Those students were NOT doing anything at the time.

          • SelectFromWhere

            AND burning buildings is of course not a capital offense.

          • Waarki
          • That_Looks_Delicious

            The students who were shot, if I remember correctly, were not even in the protests. They were just walking to their cars after class.

    • cleos_mom

      This time it could as easily be a National Guard member on the ground.

      • Earl

        Which would escalate the situation the hell out of anyone’s control. 🙁

      • Pip

        It would just take one, then it’s open season on immigrants. We all know there are folks just waiting for something like that to happen…

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      And let’s also remember what St. Ronnie Raygun said about Kent State. “These students want disruption – if it takes a bloodbath, let’s get it over with.”

  • SDG

    I am out of words… exhausted.

    • FAEN

      Yep. Me too.

  • MichaelJ

    I wonder how many immigrants are serving in the National Guard and the armed forces in general.

    • Tomcat

      Then ask yourself how many of THEM voted for Trump.

  • geoffalnutt

    Bannon.

  • karmanot
    • No, they won’t use the camps for illegal immigrants – those are for us, just as soon as he figures out a way to overturn Obama’s exec. orders, and reverse the repeal of DADT and marriage equality.

  • True or not – the last time I looked they’re called the National Guard, not the National Gestapo.

    • MaryJOGrady

      It was the National Guard who were called in to enforce school desegregation in the Deep South on a number of occasions, if memory serves.
      After Hurricane Celia, the National Guard was deployed to Corpus Christi Texas, to protect against looting and provide relief to a city with scarcely a window or tree left unbroken. I remember riding my bicycle to the fire department training center where they were encamped, to pick up free milk for the toddler brother who is now a fifty-ish lawyer. (The guardsmen invited me to breakfast, scrambled powdered eggs and a cup of milk.)
      To my mind, those are the sorts of jobs the National Guard is for.

      • I have an uncle who recently retired from the Guard, after 40 years – the last 25 of it as a quartermaster. His last deployment was to New Orleans for the aftermath of Katrina.
        During his entire career of service, the only thing his troop was involved in were disaster relief and as support services for regular military operations.
        This would be neither – this is nothing but the militarization of the police state. Pure and simple.

  • WTHella

    I’ve thought for a while now that they’re going to start using fake leaks to bait the mainstream media into reporting it. Then use that to discredit them.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Hmm … so lying Spicer is denying these reports now.
    They leak the memo, then accuse the media of spreading “fake news”.

  • FAEN

    We’ve all said this in one form or the other but

    every day I wake up and think ‘it can’t get worse’ and every fucking day Cheeto Voldemort proves me wrong.

    I can’t believe the GOP is going to let troops drag people from their homes. In the Unites States!

    • geoffalnutt

      It’s what The GOP has always wanted.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Hmmm wondering who is the one to leak the news?

  • Jmdintpa

    this is why i believe that violence is coming. trump and his ilk will not give up power. they will turn the troops on fellow americans if need be. if you dont think the military is full of white nationalist trump supporters all to willing to do this then think again. smells like civil war this morning. mr butler go round back and hitch up the horses, we going to atlanta

  • ceeenbee

    Sounds like a fake story, planted by the tiny fingered, cheeto-faced, ferret wearing shitgibbon, to a small number of people in his cabal to determine the source of the leak when it gets out.

    He’s a paranoid who will do anything to clamp down on those around him.

  • greenmanTN

    This is so fucking nasty. Ok, I get it, there are people in the US who are here “illegally.” But borders are just lines on a map and there has to be a humanitarian way to deal with this.

    Republicans are so punitive, they like to make people suffer, and that just doesn’t make sense to me. Why is inflicting pain on others a central part of their agenda?

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      A recent psychological study found most Dumpf voters score high on the “Authoritarian Index”. All republicans are authoritarians at heart. They want a strong man to beat the crap out of their opponents and put them in their “well-deserved”, subservient place.

      • greenmanTN

        Yes, but they also ignore the rules that get in the way of benefiting themselves. Those hard and fast rules are for other people, not themselves.

    • geoffalnutt

      With Republicans causing suffering is not optional it’s mandatory.

    • FAEN

      The best way IMHO to cut down on undocumented immigration is to fix the bloody system. It’s so antiquated it encourages people to come here in that manner. No immigrant wants to live in the shadows but this clogged, sloppy, bracingly antiquated system forces them to.

      • greenmanTN

        I actually do believe that nations have the right to maintain borders and control who comes in. But you also have to deal with the reality of the situation as it is, and as we have seen Trump and reality are only acquaintances at best.

        There was all this paranoia on the Right when Obama was in office, FEMA camps, tunnels under Walmart, etc etc. There are something like 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country, and personally I don’t want to live in a country which puts people into camps, so therefore a reasonable solution has to be found. Most of those people are productive citizens, so if we have to hit the reset button and say “Alright, let’s give them amnesty, but from here forward these policies will be strictly enforced, so let’s get it over with.”

        Putting Japanese Americans into internment camps during WWII is a stain on our history and this isn’t going to be any better.

        • FAEN

          I also agree that nations have the right to maintain borders and control who comes in. There is a reasonable solution that was the 2007 and 2013 bill but the GOP are so hellbent on bowing to the extremes of their party they won’t take the deal. A deal that ironically the majority of republicans support.

          CIR and Roe are always the boogie men to get votes.

  • Mark

    Hmmmm….another weekend, and another dollop of national chaos.

  • Natty Enquirer

    Okay, here we finally have a candidate for “fake news.” So save the hyperventilation for something real.

    • Mark

      But! It is just enough to send waves of panic through the Hispanic communities. That is his target ‘audience’ with this news leak of fake news, or is it fake news leak of news? ……

      • Natty Enquirer

        “Resist” also means resisting fear tactics.

        • Mark

          Those of us with full citizenship can resist all day and all night and still not calm the nerves of those he targets.

          • Stogiebear

            If this comes to fruition, you can be sure that before it’s all over that those of us with citizenship will be having to prove our citizenship too.

          • Mark

            white, black or brown……won’t matter unless you can prove it right then and there…else you get hauled away.

    • McSwagg

      Except that Rick Perry sent the Texas National Guard to the border in 2014 and Gregg Abbott extended their mission last year. It’s not “fake news”, it’s “old news”!!!

  • Cuberly

    And the trumpanzees will howl with delight. It’s all one big action adventure movie to them. Assholes.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    Will they just impeach this fat motherfucker

  • MB
  • Daveed_WOW

    Kinda looks like war against your own people. Or at least SOME of your own people.

    • UrsusArctos

      71% of the nation. Never will be “his people”.

  • bambinoitaliano
    • Tomcat

      Hey, that is Donald’s job.

  • Cuberly
    • coram nobis

      Eleven pages is a lot of “it never existed and we deny it.”

      God bless whoever leaked it.

      • FAEN

        Not great for all the immigrants. My partner being one. Some of my family are as well. I’m a mix of fear, anger and disgust.

  • teeveedub

    Seems like they’re spreading false stories among their own staff to try to figure out where the leaks are.

    • Tomcat

      Exactly.

  • tbj5

    This is a distraction from the treason, and a way to sniff out leakers.

    Focus on Russia.

    • David L. Caster

      Focus on Congress.

  • narutomania

    How many members of the National Guard were born in the U.S. to Mexican parents? Or perhaps Central American or South American parents? And Drumpf essentially wants to use the National Guard as his goon squad to “round up them for’ners” who are simultaneously stealing jobs while being too lazy to work.

  • Gigi

    It’s almost as though president Bannon Trump puts out these “fake” news stories himself only to be able to debunk them later, thus proving that the media “hates” him and is out to get him.

    • tbj5

      Lying Spice jumped at this IMMEDIATELY to call it fake.

      This is a setup from Supreme Chancellor Bannon.

  • Acronym Jim

    Fortunately, Oregon Governor Kate Brown would give a resounding NO! to such a request. Otherwise, all of Portland’s best taco trucks would be moving to Seattle.

    • coram nobis

      That only lasts till Trump federalized the Guard.

      • Acronym Jim

        That would still be an uphill battle. How many members of the Guard are immigrants or the children of immigrants?

        • coram nobis

          Fair enough question. Trouble is, once called up and Federalized, they’re under U.S. military law.

          10 U.S. Code § 894:

          ART. 94. MUTINY OR SEDITION

          (a) Any person subject to this chapter who–

          (1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;

          (2) with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;

          (3) fails to do his utmost to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition being committed in his presence, or fails to take all reasonable means to inform his superior commissioned officer or commanding officer of a mutiny or sedition which he knows or has reason to believe is taking place, is guilty of a failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition.

          (b) A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court- martial may direct.

  • DavidAZ

    Einsatzgruppen. The troops won’t be used for deportation. Their primary job will be to cordon off state capital & legislative buildings once Herr Trumpf declares martial law. Oh, and to shoot protestors who try to stop the Putsch.

  • I was willing to believe it was false until Sean Spicer said it was false.

    Me sure him from Bizarro World.

  • Halou

    Reminder. When was the last time a president of the United States raised an army to invade their own country?

    • Kelly Lape

      1861.

  • bambinoitaliano
  • DesertSun59

    This ‘news’ doesn’t show up on Breitbart. So, it’s a plant. I suspect Bannon has PLANTED this news item so they can figure out who is the leaker.

  • TuuxKabin

    The more they deny it the more I believe it’s going to happen. How many constitutional crisis does this make in less than a month?

  • Blake Jordan

    Time for a military coup on behalf of >70% of the USA population (and the world)…

    • Earl

      To be followed by a new American Empire. A coup ends the republic.

      • KarenAtFOH

        A fair percentage of coups have resulted in the establishment of democracy.

        • Earl

          Not when they happen in nations that are already democratic republics.

  • Acronym Jim

    Regardless of whether this is true or a plant, didn’t the campaign or administration already previously suggest this idea? Like…out loud?

  • Rand503

    Well, then, let’s see just how the NRA likes it when the undocumented take up arms against this tyranny.

  • dcurlee

    Oh Sean to you honestly think we are going to take your word

    • kareemachan

      Oh dc, you think there isn’t something donnie wouldn’t do if he thought it would work for him?

  • bambinoitaliano
  • bambinoitaliano
  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Just the idea makes me want to cry.

  • Halou

    Soldiers were sent to round up the undesirables.

    https://canadaalive.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/budapest-deportation.jpg

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      That’s scary. This whole thing is just so horrible. I’m Latino and live in California. I’ve been carrying my passport with me at all times since January 20.

      • UrsusArctos

        I’m A WASP and started carrying my passport on 9/12. This has been a long time in the making. It’s the obvious end of “othering” people to make political gain. *SIGH*

        • KarenAtFOH

          I have mine with me at all times.

      • Halou

        I hope that is enough to keep you safe.

      • gaymex1

        I am so fucking sorry Mike.

  • Silver Badger

    Colorado will resist. I wonder what will happen to the those who refuse to participate in a roundup. There will be many.

    • kareemachan

      Washingston state as well.

    • Treant

      Hell, I’m not sure you’ll get Pennsylvania on this one.

  • coram nobis

    I wondered when this would happen. Immigration courts and agents were already working to the limit at the end of the Obama years. To step up the roundups as Trump promised, you’d need more storm troops and more holding facilities — and the Trump people were well aware of the Korematsu precedent. Call out the troops and claim national security.

    Worse, even if the governors refuse, Washington can federalize the Guard at any time. The only good thing about all this is that the courts knew Korematsu was a mistake and maybe they can order a halt as soon as one Plaintiff emerges with a habeas claim. At that point Donald will have a decision to make.

    • ultragreen

      I think the following assertion is dubious: “Washington can federalize the Guard at any time.” There would have to be a bonafide national emergency in order for this to happen, but there is none. I’m pretty sure the Federal courts would back up the rights of recalcitrant governors to control their national guard troops, and not the Trump administration, in such a scenario.

      • coram nobis

        They can and they have. Arkansas, 1957; Alabama, 1963 as recent examples. The definitive ruling on this may be Perpich v. Dept. of Defense, 496 U.S. 334 (1990), where the governor of Minnesota objected to his Guard being called out to Central America.

        https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/496/334/case.html

  • witch

    Once again the Courts will Bitch Slap this order

    • Halou

      How much damage will be done in the mean time?

    • coram nobis

      And at some point Donald may simply refuse to obey them. Then things will get nasty.

  • boatboy_srq

    What’s the probability this is merely provokatsiya?

    • kareemachan

      What’s the probability of you being a trollette?

    • Earl

      High, as Olbermann asks. They’re very very high.

  • Halou
  • ultragreen

    I don’t think such an executive order would be legally binding. State governors control the national guard troops that exist within their own states. The U.S. president doesn’t have any authority over them unless a governor provides explicit permission for this to happen.

    • coram nobis

      Wrong. The Guard can be federalized at any time, and the governors have little control over that. See Perpich v. Dept. of Defense, 496 U.S. 334 (1990). Besides, the States pay very little for the Guard and the Guard has been trending toward Federal control since WWI, as Perpich attests.

      • ultragreen

        That ruling was very narrow, and it involved the explicit authorization of Congress to provide training to national guard troops outside of the country. This authorization did not have an adverse impact on the interests of the states and people living therein. However, using the national guard to enforce immigration within the borders of the country (which is something they are not trained to do) has a potentially negative impact on the well-being of individual states as immigrants provide labor, spend money to support local economies, and they attend schools in which the states have made sizable investments in their education. Also, the militarization of civil life within the borders of the country is contrary to the principles of democratic rule by civilians and it has the potential to cause major civil disturbances, such as protests and riots. Therefore, I don’t think it is necessarily the case that the Federal courts would support an executive order nationalizing the guard troops under these circumstances.

        • coram nobis

          It’s not just the ruling itself. The opinion traced the gradual evolution of the Guard from WWI to 1990, and it’s quite a history. Whatever the Framers may have had in mind when they wrote about the Militia in the Federalist papers, that’s long gone. In any event, Dept. of Defense pays for the Guard, their training, their equipment and state military departments are puny in comparison of funding.

          It’s arguable that using any Federal troops in this manner breaches the Posse Comitatus Act. That being said, the Japanese-American precedent (Korematsu) is ample grounds for a roundup on a racial or ethnic basis. It’s bad law, but there it is, and Donald isn’t going to scruple about it. Not after his unhinged performance at yesterday’s presser.

          • ultragreen

            The court decision that allowed the round-up of Japanese Americans into concentration camps during World War II has been widely criticized. I don’t think it would provide much of a precedent, especially because we are not involved in a war with any Hispanic country.

          • coram nobis

            Perhaps, and even Scalia thought Korematsu was bad, and the Korematsu and Hirabayashi precedents were partially discredited in the 1980s. Even so, the Supreme Court will still have to overturn it. Constitutional scholars may very well say what you’ve been saying, but Donald is no scholar.

          • coram nobis

            Indeed. You can argue that Korematsu is regarded as bad case law — even Scalia disliked it — and that it and the 9th Circuit partly discredited Hirabayashi and Korematsu later on. Also, the dissents by JJ. Murphy and Roberts in Korematsu would make good arguments for its overturn. However: the Supreme Court never explicitly overturned it. As for our not being at war, any national emergency, real or conjured up, might suffice under this precedent.

    • Halou

      The “small government” zealots from the red states will be more than happy to increase the power and authority of the central government.

    • Phil in FLL

      The president can “nationalize” the state national guard. This happened during the 1960s when Governor George Wallace used the state national guard to prevent black students from attending the University of Alabama. President Kennedy then “nationalized” the Alabama state national guard, and Wallace was forced to back down because the Alabama state national guard was now under the president’s control.

      • ultragreen

        The nationalization of state guard troops was necessary in order to carry out the instructions of the U.S. Supreme Court in regards to school integration. Alabama was deliberately defying the Federal courts, thereby creating a constitutional crisis. Under such circumstances, the Federal courts sided with President Kennedy to nationalize state guard troops in order to carry out the ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court. However, the current situation involves no such crisis. Therefore, it would be perceived by the Federal courts as a naked power grab by the Executive branch of the Federal government to usurp the authority of the states.

        • Phil in FLL

          I think this is actually a trial balloon and will not go into effect. If it does go into effect, it would be interesting to see which way the courts rule: states’ rights vs. federal authority over the national guard.

          • coram nobis

            What’s going to stop him if he signs the order? As I’ve cited elsewhere, the Supreme Court has ruled that the U.S. controls the Guard ultimately (Perpich v. Dept. of Defense). Rounding up people without due process is a breach of the 5th Am. due-process clause, but the Court never overruled the Korematsu case as yet.

          • ultragreen

            Some state governors, state attorney generals, and civil rights organizations would be very hostile to such an executive order. There’s no doubt in my mind that such an executive order would be challenged in the Federal courts. Personally, I think many members of the Federal judiciary are wary of the Trump administration and would not be inclined to support such a power grab.

          • coram nobis

            Indeed, and let them push back. Donald will find that state Guard organizations might not co-operate, he may then federalize them and then it goes to the courts. And then we will have a confrontation of some sort. As things stand, he’s not going to round up 11 million (or even 3 million) undocumenteds without additional muscle; ICE and the immigration courts are already at the limit. As we found in 1942, it’s easy enough to call out the Army and start putting people in improvised transit camps (usually racetracks) given a sufficiently ruthless administration. If FDR did it, Donald certainly would.

    • houstonray

      Rest assured our Texas Governor is having wet dreams over something like this…

      SIGH.

      • McSwagg

        Perry sent the Guard to the border in 2014 and Abbott extended the mission in 2016. It’s already happened.

    • coram nobis

      Donald could do it and make it stick. See Perpich v. Dept. of Defense.

      https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/496/334/case.html

      • ultragreen

        I’m skeptical of that claim for the reasons that I have stated below.

        • coram nobis

          Perhaps, and it’s a reasonable argument. But the counter-argument is (1) Donald is who he is, an impulsive autocrat who is quite capable of signing that order and (2) we may have to get the courts to distinguish or overturn both Perpich and Korematsu. Assuming that the courts get any say if this happens.

  • coram nobis

    Justice Robert Jackson, dissenting in Korematsu v. U.S., 1944:

    A military order, however unconstitutional, is not apt to last longer than the military emergency. Even during that period, a succeeding commander may revoke it all. But once a judicial opinion rationalizes such an order to show that it conforms to the Constitution, or rather rationalizes the Constitution to show that the Constitution sanctions such an order, the Court for all time has validated the principle of racial discrimination in criminal procedure and of transplanting American citizens. The principle then lies about like a loaded weapon, ready for the hand of any authority that can bring forward a plausible claim of an urgent need. Every repetition imbeds that principle more deeply in our law and thinking and expands it to new purposes. All who observe the work of courts are familiar with what Judge Cardozo described as “the tendency of a principle to expand itself to the limit of its logic.” * A military commander may overstep the bounds of constitutionality, and it is an incident. But if we review and approve, that passing incident becomes the doctrine of the Constitution.

    • coram nobis

      Justice Frank Murphy’s dissent, same case:

      I dissent, therefore, from this legalization of racism. Racial discrimination in any form and in any degree has no justifiable part whatever in our democratic way of life. It is unattractive in any setting, but it is utterly revolting among a free people who have embraced the principles set forth in the Constitution of the United States. All residents of this nation are kin in some way by blood or culture to a foreign land. Yet they are primarily and necessarily a part of the new and distinct civilization of the United States. They must, accordingly, be treated at all times as the heirs of the American experiment, and as entitled to all the rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution.

  • Earl

    While I think this may be an attempt to find the leaks in the White House, I’m also pretty sure that they’ve fucked up their attempt by leaking this story to too many people. 🙂

    Then again, this is something that he mulled about doing during the interminable campaign. (campaign is still going on, for the election the fuckwit won…)

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    If Spicy Sphincter says its false, then it’s patently true.

  • REODELL

    First round up the unauthorized immigrants, then the gays.

  • coram nobis
  • No More GOP.

    It’s looking like the time for more active resistance is coming, sooner than I thought.

  • NancyP

    Oho! I don’t think this is going to be too popular with the rank and file Guard. They join for the money and a chance to do good for people affected by natural disasters. They DON’T want to be cut-rate police. They DON’T want to have unending deployments. This is a volunteer force we are talking about – I would think that many commanders would be reluctant to deploy for this, because it is guaranteed to cause an exodus of better (gainfully employed non-meth head) Guards from the service.

    • coram nobis

      Once federalized, they’re subject to U.S. military law. That includes the UCMJ provisions regarding mutiny.

      • Earl

        They do have the defence of arguing that the orders are unlawful.

        Of course, they’ll be in jail while they argue that. 🙁

        • coram nobis

          Or awaiting execution.

          And the burden is on the defendant when making that defense.

          • Earl

            That’s why I left the military. 🙂 You want me to prove I didn’t do what you say I did?

            I was happy to GTFO.

          • coram nobis

            Fine, and you may very well have. I take your word for it. I gather you’re not writing this from the military prison at Ft. Leavenworth. Others might not come out too well in this administration.

            I’m simply here pointing out the outlines of the unthinkable as it now exists in U.S. law, and the unthinkable is coming fast.

          • Earl

            No, I never got charged with anything serious. 🙂 But you’re told how the system works. I completed my contract.

            I hate to say it, but I’m not sure Trump has much respect for the law. Nor am I sure he’s going to learn it. 🙁

  • NowAnAgnostic

    Hmm. Trying to get us used to seeing US Troops in the streets of our cities? First they came after . . .

  • ColdCountry

    So… which is the lie?

  • robirob

    My main concern is that that Trump and his friends deliberately spread false rumors in order to accuse the media of spreading real Fake News to discredit the media.

  • gaymex1

    I am totally upset by this because even if it’s not true, I don’t put this sort of action beyond Trump and cohorts. That I would even think it was possible in the U.S—- is horrific.

  • Kruhn

    So the National Deportation Force is nearly upon us! And it is completely legal as the President can federalize the National Guard. Of course, it used to be that it would enforce equality like helping black kids go into segregated schools amid rabid opposition of racists.

    Primo aduenam venerunt autem diximus hodie genitricis fututor.

  • ultragreen

    Another problem surrounding these anti-immigrant enforcement actions is discrimination on the basis of racism (Hispanics) and religion (Muslims). It’s mostly Hispanics and Muslims that are being targeted. Even the current round-ups occurring under ICE agents could be challenged on the basis that it involves racial profiling of Hispanic immigrants and thus Federal law is being applied in a highly discriminatory manner.

  • SoCalGal20

    I’ll believe it’s not true when ICE stops detaining people who aren’t criminals, etc.

  • AJ Drew
  • Talisman

    The dumpster is preparing to invade Mexico.

    Instead of a wall, we’re going to have a yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge canal on the Mexican-Guatemalan border, named for the dumpster.

    • coram nobis

      Just speaking rhetorically, where’s he going to deport 11 million people, if he invades Mexico? And who’s he going to deport from Mexico, assuming he wins? And who’s going to provide the soldiers and Marines to do the invasion and the roundups?

      Even that’s too much for The Donald. The roundups, though, are plausible.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • Pete

    Don’t Trump and his followers realize how much they are perpetuating the “Ugly American” concept by all their talk and actions?

  • coram nobis
  • Gianni

    More leaks from the White House? It’s like the National Sieve.

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    Not re tipping, but this proposal is bad for our military and its relationship with the American people.

    Since “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” was repealed effective in 2011, Americans all across the political and social spectrums have stepped forward to support our servicemembers. This is good for servicemembers, for Americans, and for America.

    Calling up the National Guard to perform intrusive law enforcement functions, as in this proposal, will seriously weaken the bonds of trust and confidence between the American people and our military and is an extremely bad idea for the long term.

  • JCF

    Just in time for this anniversary! /s

    “Japanese American internment camps created 75 years ago Sunday”

    http://abc7.com/society/sunday-marks-75th-anniversary-of-japanese-american-internment-order/1759020/

  • Mark

    All – A couple months back there was discussion about vets getting their discharge status corrected. There was one person in particular whose discharge was greater than 15 years ago – and it appeared nothing could be done.

    Today I received an update there is a renewed outreach effort as of Dec 2016, and there are now two ‘groups’ who can submit for evaluation: within the last 15 years, and greater than 15 years.

    ” For discharges over 15 years ago, the veteran should complete the DD Form 149 (http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/forms/eforms/dd0149.pdf) and send it to their service’s BCM/NR (the address is on the form). ”

    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/Article/1039945/dod-announces-new-outreach-efforts-to-veterans-regarding-discharges-and-militar

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

    The SPLC examines violations of civil rights and appalling conditions in Immigrant Detention Centers in the South. (Post-election, pre-45 inauguration.)

    https://www.splcenter.org/20161121/shadow-prison-immigrant-detention-south

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2006dd31fa9149d46c2a42b824dd7aaa77fdc3de9cf1df195746b17e64d9d19d.jpg

  • Galvestonian

    Is this even legal ? Does Trump even realize how many pissed off people that he is creating ? I men REALLY pissed off !!! We’re talking enemies here … bad asses. A Spainsh man or woman that is pissed off is a fearsome thing to see … even terrifying. You don’t messs with them.