FLORIDA: GOP Official Mocks Jeering Crowd For Not Believing His Obamacare “Death Panels” Claim [VIDEO]

Mediaite reports:

During a town hall for Rep. Gus Bilirakis (R-FL) today, the secretary of the county’s Republican Party was met with loud jeers and chants of “liar” when he made the claim that there’s a “death panel” provision in the Affordable Care Act. Speaking to the crowd, Bill Akins attempted to explain why he was against Obamacare, but found resistance when he made a specific claim.

“Here’s the problem i have with the Affordable Care Act,” he said. “Number one, there is a provision in there that anyone over the age of 74 has to go before what is effectively a death panel.” The moment after uttering those words, the audience went ballistic, with many shouting “no” and yelling out that Akins was lying. “OK, children. Alright, children,” Akins stated, mocking the crowd.

The claim Obamacare calls for death panels was Politifact’s “Lie Of The Year” for 2009. And yet idiots shamelessly continue to say it.

  • olandp

    Yeah, pull that with seniors in Florida…

    • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

      They have golf clubs and aren’t afraid to use them. I’m only half joking.

      • Donald is. He apparently has ordered the press to be sealed into windowless rooms so they can’t see what a shit-hack & known cheater he is at golf.

  • MrRobotoLA

    Then why isn’t he dead yet? He’s clearly over 74.

  • Treant

    At least they’re not good at changing the record as times change.

    Sure, hospitals have ethics panels. And those panels sometimes recommend withholding care from the terminally ill. But those decisions aren’t generally made based on coverage or money. They’re made based on quality of life and resource availability.

    • And furthermore, take into account the expressed wishes of the patient (when possible) and/or that of legally empowered family members.

      • Treant

        I have a nice Advance Directive that expresses my wish* to simply be drugged to the gills and otherwise left alone.

        * Welcome to PA, where it’s not binding.

        • It’s one of the reasons I needed to get my sorry ass out of PA 20 years ago, because I knew damned well my family would not respect my wishes.

          • Treant

            Whereas mine will, so no problems there. I have one, Mom has one, my husband has one, and most of my cousins have them.

        • Chucktech

          Better hope you don’t find your dying ass in a Catholic hospital…

          • Treant

            There’s only one in the area, it’s small, and in the worst area of the neighboring city. So not likely.

    • MonochromeMouse

      Ethics panels also have no authority, they simply advise doctors and patients.

  • Sam_Handwich

    and it continued when the meeting ended

    https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/830486762220822537

    • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

      You could definitely hear the incredulousness in his voice. He’s been taken aback by his constituents rising up. Good.

      • Waarki

        The body language gives it away too… he’s walking backwards away from the confrontation.

        • Xiao Ai

          Most people in America, especially those in power, can’t handle confrontation. That’s the edge we have. All of us.Use it!

    • clay

      In the battle of the hair, the one in black seems slightly more honest.

    • MarkOH

      GOOD FOR HIM! It is about time we start using the term “liar” instead of “misspoken”, or “alternative facts” with these morons.

  • Henry Auvil

    At this point, death panels don’t seem like such a bad idea.

    • Todd20036

      Make the method of execution as follows: Tie the tea bagger up, tape his eyes open, then make him watch ever Trump and Kellyfuck reality show, news conference and interview until they tear their own heads off

  • Rebecca Gardner

    “OK Children. OK Children.”

    You’ve got to be fucking kidding me! He lies to the face of his employers and then makes an ad hominem attack. Republicans are all Sociopaths.

    • Oh, Parker

      He must either be in a really safe voting district or he’s tired of the job.

      • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

        Or he has a death wish.

      • Ninja0980

        His district is R 7 and he’s been there since 2007.
        Hopefully stuff like this will change that.

        • Chucktech

          Nope. Bet they’ll vote him right the hell back in.

      • johncAtl

        It wasn’t the congressman speaking, it was a Republican Party official.

        • Oh, Parker

          Aah. Yeah, I see that now. Hell of a mess to create for his candidates.

          • johncAtl

            Yes, and I hope he continues speaking.

        • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

          The lines are blurred.

          • johncAtl

            True.

        • Dramphooey

          Trust me, he’s completely safe. You can’t get one of those old geezers out of the party machinery with a crowbar.

      • clay

        maybe he believes Chafetz’s delusion– they’re all just paid protesters from out of state.

        • Rebecca Gardner

          Yes he does and he had a press release sent out saying just that.

    • That statement so disrespectful to his constituents – wow! They forget they work for us.

      • Frostbite

        And yet they will re-elect him next time!

        • Skip Intro

          Yes. His constituents are very likely to RE-ELECT this arrogant liar! Please let them prove me wrong.

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          I’m afraid you’re right.

      • Buford

        It wasn’t Rep Bilirakis who made the comment… it was Bill Akins, who is a country Republican Party secretary. Not sure he’s accountable to ‘constituents’… but I’m eager to know what Rep Bilirakis had to say about those comments…??

    • gaymex1

      “Ok Children…”
      I’m surprised that one of the adults in the room didn’t knock the fuck out of him.

      • TampaDink

        Unless it was spoken in the voice of Chef on South Park.

        • gaymex1
          • TampaDink

            It has to be forgiven….R.I.P. Isaac Hayes.

          • gaymex1

            Yes, RIP

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      • jixter

        “…didn’t knock the fuck out of him.”

        It’s always tempting to imagine this sort of thing, ‘gaymex1’, but the reality is that doing so would get you arrested, charged with assault, likely lead to a conviction and end up costing you a ton of money and time in jail/prison.

        Surrendering to emotion never works out well; it’s far better to keep your head screwed on and coldly present a rebuttal with the facts in hand to back it up.

        Maybe that second option wouldn’t be as immediately satisfying as the first, but you’d come out ahead in the end – and you’d win the game.

        • gaymex1

          lol…..Please, spare me the lecture.

          • jixter

            It wasn’t meant to be a lecture, it was meant to be another option. Knocking “the fuck” out of anybody isn’t smart and will get us nowhere.

          • gaymex1

            I was joking, but since the topic has been raised…Being nice has gotten us exactly where?
            As my Great Uncle Porter used to say…”first you have to get the mule’s attention.”
            Lighten up. We’re on the same page.

          • jixter

            I know we’re on the same page, ‘gaymex1’. Thanks for saying so. We’re cool.

          • gaymex1

            Peace

          • Joe in PA

            As we like to say here — get a room you two. ;).

          • David Walker

            That is, if he had any fuck to knock out. And weren’t the death panels just for republican’ts?

          • Exatron

            It’s that sort of attitude that’s letting frelling Nazis feeling take over. If anything, we should be punching them more often.

        • Librarykid

          Probably better to call him a fucking liar and then exit en masse

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            Or turn your backs to him for the rest of the meeting…

        • Cerberus

          Oh yes, it would be terrible for the person who did it, as power always makes an example of those who fight against it.

          But oh my word, can you imagine how fucking terrified the congresscritters would be if some octagenarian fellow voter punched out their congressman during a town hall? Like, it’d remind them of how thin the line of separation is and how close the people are to total revolt and we’d see even more of a reaction than we already are seeing to the protests and negative backlash at constituent meetings.

          And it’d make them much less inclined to believe that they’ll be safe no matter what horrendous policy they support on behalf of Piss Hitler.

      • Uncle Mark

        Actually, I was hoping that someone would have pulled that ridiculous wig off his head…or at least called him out on the phoniness of both the death panels and his cheap ass toupee

        • Librarykid

          Like, “Your argument is as fake as your cheap wig”?

        • gaymex1

          That would’ve been nice. I wonder when the Republicans will all be reduced to tweeting because it’s a lot safer than facing the rabble.
          Rabble definition–Everyone that is not a liar.

      • John

        …‘tis a consummation
        Devoutly to be wished…”

        (“Hamlet, Prince of Denmark” Courtesy of The Bard Of Strattford On Avon, i.e. William Shakespeare.

        • gaymex1

          lol. Perfect.

    • 2patricius2

      Well, I turned 74 last November, and have been expecting a call from the “death panel,” but it just never comes……

      Of course, it this and other Republicants have their way and gut Medicare, I fully expect insurance companies to send death sentences in the mail in the form of termination of benefits and denial of services.

      Lots of people are alive today because they had insurance, and didn’t face the death causing sentences of insurance officials. But the Republicant Party is itching to be the very “death panel” they warned us about.

      And as it is, the Republicant Party in many states held their own little “death panels” when they refused the expansion of Medicaid benefits provided for by the Affordable Care Act.

    • Niblet58

      Hes going to find his ass on the unemployment line very soon with that childish remark. What a fvcking asshole.

    • The_Wretched

      Right wing tools are in their seats because they are compliant to their donors.

    • Waarki

      ‘Scum of the earth’ has a nice ring to it

    • Buford

      How are these residents ‘his employers’? Bill Akins is a Republican Party executive.

  • HZ81

    What a kunt.

  • Of note: The crowd jeered right back at him and called his claims bullshit. And the people in that crowd know goddamned well that at age 74, you’re on Medicare and that has nothing to do with the ACA.

    I think America is finally becoming ‘woke.’

    • David

      Meh. You’re giving Americans waaaaaay to much credit.

      • I don’t lump all Americans into a single group.

        There are those who knew not to vote for Cheeto Hitler.

        Those who would vote for him even if he ate a human baby live on TV.

        And then the people in the middle who can be persuaded yet.

        • clay

          In fact the majority of those who voted, voted for someone else.

          • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

            … and if more voted, Clay, they couldn’t have stolen the election the way they did.

          • Mistakes are there to be learned from, not to be a source of constant hopelessness and despair.

            Can’t move forward if one’s eyes are forever cast backward.

          • JCF

            I just got sent this today (by my Congressman of all people! He’s a Dem, but sometimes more “Blue Dog” than I care for)

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6920ec650eb05ac8f6c10b789865c39d7e0f0553e71ce00152b160e5405b7505.jpg

            Thank you, Madiba.

          • Do Something Nice

            Don’t blame San Franciscans – we had 81% turnout!

          • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

            Yay SF. It’s in 3 swing states that they got the US screwed.

          • TampaDink

            But it is looking more & more each day that they certainly had outside help taking those 3 states.

          • Chucktech

            Outside help. WAAAY outside help. Like, other continent outside help.

          • TampaDink

            Help made all the more effective by the use of a retired U.S. Army general as a broker.

          • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

            Oh yes! And a corrupt system administered by partisan state governments rather than independent electoral commissions.

          • TampaDink

            I wonder if we will ever truly know all of the shit that went down to bring us to where we are.

          • Xiao Ai

            No. That’s need to know and apparently we don’t.

          • TampaDink

            True….rather than including us in the conversation of what the fuck is really happening, we are expected to focus on tweets & lies from Ms. Conjob & Mr. Spicerack.

          • Xiao Ai

            If more were “allowed” to vote. Fixed it.

          • Chucktech

            But the crybabies in Flyoverville get to have more say. See “Electoral College.”

    • Gustav2

      At one time there was a Medicare provision to PAY for doctors etc, for help with living will decisions. That was removed. Now there is no professional help.

      If they are not paid, they don’t help.

    • Buford

      I’d actually welcome a real, honest ‘Death Panel’ discussion… so maybe these assholes can explain why, in the Greatest Country In The World™, an insurance provider is able to veto treatments prescribed by a doctor.

      • Xiao Ai

        Right! If they aren’t the death panels, then there are none.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    Gus, Gus, Gus, don’t treat us like little children or you won’t have any pudding!

  • MikeBx2

    Beginning of the end, I hope. If the GOP and Trump lose the ability to lie convincingly, they’re doomed.

    • Tomcat

      The will lose that ability ONLY if the media keeps standing up to them.

      • billbear1961

        Which is why I’m not holding my breath.

        We’re in this situation mainly because they’ve let us down REPEATEDLY for MANY years.

        But IF this keeps growing, IF they listen to the Resistance, people may turn on media who kowtow to Trump and the right, on any “reporters” who let them get away with their lies.

    • Chucktech

      I hardly think they ever had the ability to lie convincingly. If you mean lie convincingly to their rubes, they have to start saying shit like “we’re jesus and you aren’t.”

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    Like he thinks this is a one-time deal from a few troublemakers. Asshole, prepare to be destroyed. The people are fed up with the likes of you, and their number and anger is growing stronger every day.

    Be afraid.

  • Richard

    “Death Panels” are the health insurance companies, who give either a thumbs up or down to necessary treatment to keep people alive. If your disease cuts into their profits, you will not get live-saving treatment.

    • SoCalGal20

      Also, the ones who used to deny coverage (including to women who are pregnant) under “pre-existing conditions”. You had cancer 20 years ago? No insurance for you!

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        They were denying coverage to newborns for preexisting conditions!

  • another_steve

    As if Trump’s base knows the difference between truth and fiction?

  • Tomcat

    The real death panel is what republicans want to do with ALL health care.

    • billbear1961

      Except for themselves (the ones in office).

    • clay

      see, Jan Brewer’s Arizona before ACA. Death Panels for those needing Kidney Transplants.

    • Exactly. The Death Panels were the health insurance companies who put lifetime caps on people’s benefits, denied people with pre-existing conditions, and mysteriously denied claims or cancelled policies when previously healthy people suddenly had an accident or new health condition. And that’s what the GOP would take us back to.

  • AtticusP

    This asshole will just release a statement saying that they were all paid protesters.

    He’s a Republican.

    Don’t expect much truth.

    • billbear1961

      IF this keeps up and the numbers keep growing, that lame LIE is going to get stale FAST.

      • clay

        We’ll start wearing our voter ID around our necks.

  • JWC

    The snake oil salesmen are being seen for their truth

  • Tomcat

    Buffalo playing Bowling Green today,,, another massacre.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      hehehe

  • David
  • David
  • RyanInIllinois

    My parents are both over 74. I hope they let me know when they get summoned to to appear before the “death panels” that this moron insists are in the Affordable Care Act. I want to be able to say goodbye to the folks and maybe take them out for a nice meal before they go. 😉

    • Treant

      Don’t forget to collect their jewelry and pocket cash before they go. Otherwise, you’ll get taxed on that when they return the little box of ashes with the bill attached.

      • RyanInIllinois

        Cheers for the pro tip!

      • jixter

        “Don’t forget to collect their jewelry and pocket cash before they go.”

        Better yet, collect all your parents’ valuables before their ‘Home Health Aides’ do.

        I AM THE VOICE OF EXPERIENCE.

        • bzrd

          yes, my uncle’s night aid worker forged checks to the tune of over $100,000, he was too ill to notice on his bank statements thus no reimbursement from the bank

    • Reality.Bites

      You know since it’s only Republicans that talk about death panels, I always assumed it was some shoddy wood panelling for basements that was a fire hazard.

  • Ninja0980

    Anger like this is nice but unless we show up in all elections and boot these fuckers out, it won’t mean a thing.

    • JWC

      Take heart that Trump took 2 years to build this fear it will take time for the pendulum to swing back The deludded part of Trumps base has to be made to see his stupidity and the fact he is really not for them, for themselves

    • SoCalGal20

      Motivated people vote. Or at least try to. Republicans will do everything in their power to prevent people from voting against them or otherwise game the system.

    • Tomcat

      What will it take for Democrats to win again,,,, point out republicans.

      • Chucktech

        “Hmm… Oh, yeah, look at the Republicans…. What’s on TV? Let’s go out for a beer….. What’s for dinner?”

  • JWC

    Between these townhall meetings that are falling apart (albeit caused the 100k of imprted busloads of protesters) and Rachel Maddows little piece, The tweet machine may overheat

  • Rebecca Gardner

    I wonder if the GOP had planned all along for a President Ryan?

    Flynn & Pence go to Prison, Trump is Impeached, Ryan is President. hmm.
    At least Eddie Munster knows how the Government works.

    https://twitter.com/mcspocky/status/830168981126443008

    • Treant

      Any of the two (Pence or Ryan) will sign whatever Congress puts in front of them. Trump…maybe, maybe not. Ryan seems to have fewer vendettas than Pence does, and far fewer than Trump.

      Neither Ryan nor Pence are likely to get us into a nuclear war, so that’s nice.

      Neither Ryan nor Pence are all that electable in the nationwide theater–particularly after this kind of fight–so that’s good.

      You could be right. I’d actually prefer Ryan, but at this point I’d even settle for Pence.

      • My thoughts and feelings exactly.

      • KnownDonorDad

        The other positive about Ryan or Pence: they don’t have the reality TV star teflon shield that Trump has. They’d be judged like normal politicians.

        • jixter

          And Pence has zero ‘star quality’ or charisma, so very few will find him interesting or attractive enough to follow.

          I’m not sure how I’d gauge Ryan. He’s got more charisma than Pence, but is that saying much? He looks too young to have any gravitas, but in thinking back to the time when Oliver North was giving testimony about ‘Iran-Contra’ in 1987 and how just about every young or older woman I knew then thought that he was cute and in need of mothering – the seriousness of the charges against him being secondary – I’m wondering whether Ryan might well have that same sort of effect on a newer pool of women.

          Cute, lovable and little-boyish works sometimes.

      • SoCalGal20

        I figure at least Ryan knows what diplomatic protocol looks like and won’t get us into a stupid war due to pathological narcissism nor would he embarass us outright with by just making a fool of himself with international leaders. Healthcare and the environment will still be fucked but at least we won’t have to worry about WWIII next week.

        Pence is a Jesus freak and he’s a weak leader like Trump so I don’t think he’d be much better, especially if he surrounds himself with the same sorts of people Trump does.

      • Todd20036

        At this point, I’m nostalgic for W.

        No sarcasm either.

        • jixter

          No sarcasm taken, Todd. ‘W’ was dopey (take both ways) and frat-boyish, not nasty and mentally ill like our current resident.

          Lately, I’ve begun seeing a generalized similarity between ‘W’ and Mike Love of the Beach Boys. Same goofy, party-boy demeanor and lots of the same body-language. I don’t know why I’d never noticed it before.

          • Well W and Trump suffer from the same entitlement mentality but the difference is that W was raised with some sense of responsibility while Trump was not.

          • bzrd

            Shrub lied to get us into two illegal wars so his buddies could make big bucks. How many died there and how many did we lose not counting the many still having psychological problems, and those that killed themselves? This stupidity and greed has made the middle east the hot bed of terrorists and a never ending problem. Please, do not diminish the evil of those surrounding the fcking entitled asshole and the asshole himself.

          • I protested the Iraq War, btw. I know what he did. But we are only 3 weeks into the Trump administration and look where we are. A war with Iran is coming and we are going to stand by while Russian annexes the Ukraine and undermines NATA. This is all going to be so much worse. that’s not to say that W wasn’t bad. He was. The point is that Trump is even worse.

          • bzrd

            you are correct, BLOTUS is even worse, but shrub will never be elevated to an inch above an evil bastard. The BLO is in a ditch to hell.

            And, yes, I and may father ( 85 years) were marching In San Francisco each first Sunday of the month until the idiot attacked Iraq.

        • I know. Who thought we’d ever think that?

  • justmeeeee

    I guess nobody ever told him that anyone over age 74 would have been on medicare already for almost a decade.

  • Mike C

    The excuse will be that these people didn’t vote for him or these people were biased in. This is the worst thing they can do so I hope they keep it up.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      I assume the 2 “they”s in your 2nd sentence don’t refer to the same people.

      • Mike C

        Edited for clarity.

  • Philly Mike

    Dragging up that tired meme again, the repiglicans really lack imagination, how about the ACA contains a clause to castrate all liberals. That might get conservatives behind getting rid of it.

  • j.martindale

    Arrogant Republican prick. But I repeat myself.

  • sfjohn

    I hope more than one went up to him later and said “Don’t ever talk down to me again”

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

    Continue to play your lying out-of-tune fiddle, Rethug Bill Akins. The people are tired of your screeching party notes. What’s off key is insurance companies’ death panels denying life-saving treatment to people of all ages with pre-existing conditions or unreasonable restrictions in policies.

    It’s time to tune your instruments, or else we’ll throw you to the trash heap in 2018. Meanwhile, we’ll listen to perfect pitch progressives who will continue to hold your feet to the fire, in increasingly melodious harmony.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VkYFYZ1rkM

    • johncAtl

      Damn, the video ends before they get naked.

      • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

        Damn! I posted the G rated version. Sorry about that. 😬

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    In memory of the victims of the Bowling Green Jade Helm Death Panel, we will have a special screening tonight of “The Undefeated.”

    http://cdn2.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/portrait_300x450/2011/07/the_undefeated_poster_349x466.jpg

    (Yes, this is a real movie really written by Bannon. It got 1 star on IMDB and went straight to video.)

    • KnownDonorDad

      Bannon’s name is missing two K’s.

    • Treant

      Did he write this before or after she was defeated in the 2008 elections?

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Had to look it up. It’s from 2011, so after.

        • Treant

          Dayum. Undefeated was uninteresting even to the unintelligent.

    • Beagle

      Looks more like a poster for Clueless.

  • margaretpoa

    They try to belittle us and marginalize us by calling us “children” and “sore losers” and accusing us of being “paid” protesters. This is an old tactic and an effective one as long as the intrepid fourth estate allows and amplifies that framing.They’re playing with fire, though. Why? Ask Marie Antoinette.
    Thinking about going into the pitchfork and tumbrel business.

    • Treant

      Alas, Chinese tumbrels are so much cheaper. Sure, the quality sucks, but you can pick one up at Wal-Mart and roll it home behind your SUV.

      • margaretpoa

        I hope they at least get quality guillotines.

        • Treant

          Chinese steel.

  • billbear1961

    OT: Can you guys on Twitter tweet Joe and ask him to cover the massive ICE raids that have been underway in homes and workplaces in a number of major U.S. cities, raids of “unusual intensity”?? They say they’re after dangerous criminals, but they’re also arresting people whose only crime is being undocumented. Sources are quoted saying that roadway checkpoints have been set up to nab people on their way to work or to pick up their kids at school or bus stops.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/10/1632258/-Trump-s-ICE-agents-start-rounding-up-parents-of-American-children-in-multiple-deportation-raids

    Some of the details in this WP article are chilling and heartbreaking:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/federal-agents-conduct-sweeping-immigration-enforcement-raids-in-at-least-6-states/2017/02/10/4b9f443a-efc8-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html?utm_term=.5f9d8a0c44e9

    Check out this devastating article to understand what they’re up to:

    https://theintercept.com/2017/02/09/trump-administration-prepares-to-execute-vicious-executive-order-on-deportations/

    This really is VILE and something should be done to PROTEST it!!

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      In some reports it sounds like ICE is trying to do some damage control (?). It seems like local news stations are doing better reporting on this right now than the national media.

      http://www.krgv.com/story/34480652/rumors-of-ice-removals-cause-fear-among-mexican-community-in-the-us

      • billbear1961

        Yes, I’ve read some of their excuses and the euphemisms they use for what they’re doing.

        Jesus, the national “media”!!

        Thank you, TLD.

      • billbear1961

        Damage control by LYING.

        I’ve read the article, TLD.

    • SoCalGal20

      Republicans are going to be upset when their undocumented housekeepers and gardeners disappear. And when their favorite restaurants are shut down because they can’t run (a large number of back-of-house restaurant staff in many cities are undocumented). And when they can’t get fruits and vegetables because they’re rotting in the fields and farmers are going out of business because their field workers have all been deported.

  • Martin

    OT: Judges Concerned Over Threats From Trump Thugs

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-attacks-judiciary-safety-concerns-judges/

    • billbear1961

      Trump should be asked point blank if he wants to get these judges KILLED!!

      The BASTARD!!

      Journalists should do their JOBS, and in a democracy, defending the independence of the Judicial branch is ONE of those DUTIES!!

    • billbear1961

      Thank you for the link, btw, Martin.

  • MikeBx2

    I wish his approval would shrink to the 30’s or even 20’s but I’m not sure it ever will. If/when they drag him out of the White House in handcuffs, 40 percent of people will still say they approve of him.
    https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/830495652916379648

    • Cuberly

      That 40% is convinced he’s been doing awesome stuff, moving super fast, getting things done. They say this constantly online.

      The thing I’ve noticed though is they seem to think Trump being confrontational about random shit somehow translates into effective leadership. Quite a few boosters are all jazzed about the fights, of course they blame the media for getting in his way.

      There’s a very f’d cognitive dissonance at work with those people.

      • Ninja0980

        In their minds, he is getting liberals riled up therefore he IS doing his job.

        • Cuberly

          Yep, and the complete unsuitability of his cabinet picks goes right over their heads.

          To your point, Trump and his boosters haven’t switched from campaign mode to governing mode yet. Or that’s what it seems like to me.

          • billbear1961

            He’s a bully seeking the approval of bullies.

            That’s not going to change.

            They are all DISGRACES to this nation, and will DESTROY it unless we STOP them.

        • MikeBx2

          Anytime I express disgust about Trump being anywhere near the Oval Office, someone always says that’s how they felt about Obama. Which makes me always think of this…
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/afbf8d473e88382c1fccf0cff5769a9633ad2e89083d2e66df68d7e80bb878ac.png

    • SoCalGal20

      I think some portion of that 40% are people who don’t want to admit (yet) they were wrong. Others won’t change until they personally experience something or somebody close to them does.

      • another_steve

        Just wait until the Republicans do something with Obamacare that adversely affects them personally.

        The worms will turn, big time.

        • Reality.Bites

          They won’t make that connection or accept it when pointed out to them. The cognitive dissonance of Americans opposed to single payer health care is mind-boggling. And I’m aware Obamacare is not single payer. it’s just a small improvement on a barbaric system.

    • another_steve

      That forty percent or so probably largely consists of his core evangelical base who would have voted for Satan himself if it kept “that woman” out of the White House. That woman who was pals with the negro. You know the one.

      I’ve long believed that a solid 35-40 percent of Americans are irretrievably lost to the world of sanity.

    • Max_1

      prediction:
      In two weeks he’ll be at 35% approval…
      In four weeks, Mike Pence will step down; A new VP will replace Pence…
      In six weeks, Trump will be impeached; That new VP will take a new Oath…

      Making America Great, Again…

      • MikeBx2

        I like the way you think. 🙂

      • David L. Caster

        Nope, they will all go for broke. The “pivot” is already underway. Trump has backed off on China, Japan, NATO, and Obamacare. The GOP leadership is talking to him out of sight of the media and telling him the cool it. The clandestine services are talking to him now too as clearly evinced by his shutting up about them. Trump is slow but he is starting to get it. This will drop the rage down to a dull roar and the GOP juggernaut will roll on for a while longer.

        My advice is start focusing on the states.

    • McSwagg

      For comparison, here are Nixon’s approval ratings. Once Watergate began to take hold, his ratings dropped quickly, bottoming out at about 25%.
      http://www.gallup.com/poll/116677/presidential-approval-ratings-gallup-historical-statistics-trends.aspx

      http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/sg-1ey22v0wixrrifrcnpq.gif

  • vorpal

    I can’t pinpoint the exact moment that it happened, but I think I’ve lost my ability to feel surprise and incredulity.

  • The only death panels are composed of Republicans in the House and Senate.

    • And the insurance company coverage denial committees, which existed before the ACA and who saw their previously mostly unlimited power to deny coverage reduced with ACA’s passage. Men and women whose personal enrichment in the form of pay and bonuses depended upon denying needed medical care. “Mrs Smith gets chemo? Well, forget that performance bonus this year! Perhaps you’d prefer to reconsider? She is pretty sick and won’t last long enough to go to court over this.”

      That was one of the most despicable and pernicious lies of the GOP, that those who had no motive other than to save lives if possible — doctors, hospitals, and the gov’t agencies overseeing them — were the death panels when all along it was those whose motives are based entirely on profit who actually WERE such.

    • McSwagg

      Don’t forget the Department of Health and Human Services. Secretary Price will be cutting all the discretionary parts of the ACA that he has authority over. The ACA will be gutted as much as possible long before it is repealed.

  • Bert_Bauer

    Time to get the torches and pitchforks.

  • Adam

    Congress is the real death panel

  • BeaverTales

    The voters of Florida got what they wished for. They got Pam Bondi too.

    You can’t get progressive ideas if you don’t vote for progressives. Sorry Grandma and grandpa.

    • TampaDink

      Some of us Florida voters have been voting for progressive candidates all of our lives.

      • That_Looks_Delicious
        • TampaDink

          That was a waste of bananas.

      • BeaverTales

        Every year, you have an influx of wealthy snow refugee retirees who skew your elections conservative. Medicare is a progressive govt program funded by big government, and they are ALL going to be on it if they are over 65.

        • TampaDink

          As are we disabled folks…..but the wealthiest among our invasive republican species love to game the systems. One very common (and legal) method is by claiming Florida resident status….requiring owning real estate & living here 6 months + 1 day each year, avoiding paying income tax. That’s all fine & good….if only they weren’t consistent voters.

          • BeaverTales

            Same thing happens here in Alaska. They leave the state in the winter and come back in spring-summer-fall for 6 months and a day. No income taxes and they get to claim their free PFD oil dividend.

            Since oil prices crashed and income taxes are likely soon, our state will hopefully veer purple as those retirees flock to states like yours. Sorry 🙁

          • TampaDink

            Shit happens. Florida does have it’s charms….every insect that can survive in our humid climate, including Palmetto bugs the size of small children; prehistoric looking predators in almost every body of water; and Silver Alerts!

          • Lars Littlefield

            What are Silver Alerts?

          • TampaDink

            Silver Alerts are public notification system in the United States to broadcast information about missing persons – especially senior citizens with Alzheimer’s disease, dementia or other mental disabilities – in order to aid in their being found.
            The FL Dept. of Transportation posts Silver Alerts on digital signage….whenever someone with dementia goes missing while out driving. Yes….we have that many people who drive with serious mental challenges…..seems lately, they are all reported driving Toyota Camrys.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Toyota Camrys you say? Hmmmmm . . . .

          • TampaDink

            I don’t know why they became the go-to choice of senior drivers in FL after Ford pulled the plug on its Mercury division. Until then it seemed that Grand Marquis were the rage. (Of course this trend is not true in wealthier parts of the state.)

          • Lars Littlefield

            The County Sheriff Department in my part of the world still cruises around in 2011 or earlier Mercury Marquis. So far they refuse to down size. The police and sheriff offices employers all them “rollers.” They are much beloved. LOL!

          • TampaDink

            The local law enforcement here has moved on to Dodge Chargers, Ford Tauruses & Explorers.

          • Lars Littlefield

            The Highway Patrol has finally settled on Lincoln Navigators. Not Ford Explorers, mind you, but Lincoln Navigators. I guess San Juan County has deep pockets and lots of leftover tax revue they need to spend. LOL!

          • TampaDink

            Deep pockets indeed! I guess you should just be glad it isn’t Land Rover Range Rovers, like the nightly J.M.G. spammers are always bragging about.

          • McSwagg

            Do you have fire ants and africanized bees? If not, count yourself lucky.

          • TampaDink

            Yes on the ants, not yet on the bees.

        • Reality.Bites

          The wealthiest areas of Florida – Palm Beach, Broward and Dade – are reliably Dem.

  • andrew

    Could it be that many Americans are catching on to the fact that most Republican politicians are liars? Maybe there’s hope for 2018. Maybe.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      Good one.

    • McSwagg

      Where’s the Non-Disclosure Addendum?

  • yes b’y
    • Waarki

      Aesop described it best….” I dyde shyte three grete toordes “

  • This is true–

    https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/830488481742909440

    And it’s worth noting that Democratic Minority Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi still doesn’t think Donald’s done anything worth investigating, never mind pursuing impeachment charges over. She appears to have fully absorbed IOKIYAR as a guiding policy.

    • billbear1961

      Then, she is MAD.

      Nothing even to investigate?!

      Christ JESUS!!

      Demand his TAX RETURNS, Pelosi!!

      Do your JOB or RESIGN!!

    • Ninja0980

      Sad to say but I do think Pelosi’s time in the sun is over.
      Democrats need younger blood, simple as that.

      • SoCalGal20

        They also need people who are activists and who know how to work WITH grassroots organizations to organize and maximize progressive (and anti-Trump) momentum. We should be looking to John Lewis and hisphilosophy of making “good trouble” and the establishment Dems like Pelosi and Schumer need to get on board or move out of the way.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      I’m starting to suspect that Pelosi, Schumer and others are banking on a backlash election in 2018 to regain Congress, so they want to let the outrage keep building.

      But I’m not sure that will work. Look at Kansas, which Brownback & the GOP have completely devastated, and yet Kansas still voted GOP again this fall by a large margin. The FuckSnooze-hypnotized zombies don’t vote with any logic anymore.

    • Max_1

      As long as Pelosi and Schumer do nothing…
      … May the backlash strike them as well!

    • McSwagg

      Contact Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D, TX-18) and tell her it is time to live up to the legacy of her seat and its former holder, the venerable Barbara Jordan, by filing a motion to impeach the sitting President.

  • David
  • Wayne W

    The Affordable Care Act has no provisions for people over 74 as they already have access to Medicare and therefore are not eligible for tax credits to purchase insurance from the marketplaces. This is bullshit on so many levels and he must know this. I think his lies are worse than his condescension.

    • Lazycrockett

      Its right up there with Ryan constantly lying bout Medicare going bankrupt because of the ACA.

  • Cuberly
    • YAY!

      • Cuberly

        It looks great! Love the Ego touch too…

  • John Boily

    Such contempt for the people that gave him power. 2018. Remember.

  • David Wickham

    Moron

  • Whicker Park

    Children??!?? CHILDREN??!!?? Why, you white haired, bigoted dick-head!

  • PickyPecker

    OT: A nice distraction from Down Under.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE8YLs-_SR8

    • gaymex1

      …hubby is in the kitchen and he must be fixing something with onions.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Beautifully done.

    • PickyPecker

      The staff of ANZ Australia talks about what this short presentation meant to them…and just what holding hands means. I found it enlightening and touching.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlupPDP_Nzw

    • ByronK

      tears….

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    OK Children..lol..This Child did good :

    https://twitter.com/somebadideas/status/829985027958173696

    • gawddayum! i guess teh people really are Angry.

      • Max_1

        They see nothing in their future… They see robber barons… They see a Plutocracy that they’ve never seen before… They see a swamp that didn’t get emptied, but instead filled to it’s brim…

        EDIT: Wait till pets die because Trump’s USDA doesn’t care…

      • Lars Littlefield

        They be angry.

    • ByronK

      How much did she get paid for asking her question? 😉

      • SoCalGal20

        And they probably bused her in from California, right? /s

        • Lars Littlefield

          The gentle saints of Utah are not taking well to Chaffetz claim that everyone who showed up for his “town hall” was a paid protestor. And those “gentle saints” are predominantly Republicans. The BYU football player isn’t doing well in his adopted state. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

        • ByronK

          Or she drove there in her Range Rover!

        • vorpal

          Clearly a libcuck: her outfit wasn’t even from the Ivanka collection.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            They say libcucks are the best. Is this so ?

          • vorpal

            As a critter who is completely cuck-crazed, I can conclusively confirm this comment.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            PICS!?!?!!>!!?!!

  • SDG

    He is still alive, obviously NO death panels.

  • Lazycrockett

    Yea!! My Pete is on MSNBC!!!!!!

  • Cuberly

    OT: “Sales of Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid’s Tale have soared since Trump’s win”

    “The novel has experienced a 200 percent increase in sales”

    http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/11/14586382/sales-margaret-atwoods-handmaids-tale-soared-donald-trump

    On a somewhat similar vein, I started re-reading Sherri S. Tepper’s “Raising the Stones.” think I’ll revisit Handmaiden’s Tale next.

    • Treant

      Why not follow that up with the ever-cheerful, The Gate to Women’s Country and, just to make sure you do slit your own throat, Beauty?

      • Cuberly

        lol….yeah, maybe a little much. But haven’t reread Handmaiden’s Tale in quite a while

        • Treant

          Honestly, I find my fiction choices moving toward the “Something With A Happy Ending” genre over the last few months.

          I’ve been reading some Mercedes Lackey (one has to admire her characterizations while noting that the woman can’t pace a plot to save her life). Lawrence Watt-Evans. Molly Harper. Lighthearted, fun fare where you know your hero or heroine will eventually win out.

          • Cuberly

            Haven’t read Lackey in quite a while. If I recall correctly she co-wrote a series, can’t remember the name right off, about some gender-fluid motorcycle riding elves in San Francisco. The plot was about having to break into some lab or something. Wow, haven’t thought about that in ages.

          • Treant

            Oh, yeah, the Bedlam’s Bard series. It ended up being about six or seven books. Not bad, really.

            I actually like the Elemental Mage series. Most are fairy tales retold in a 19th or early 20th century setting.

          • Cuberly

            Ah yes, funny, when I watched the Netflix series Sens8 that made me think of that series. Somewhat similar in tone I spose.

      • I love Gate. it’s the fucking blueprint. i am not a breeder. i am educated in medicine and reproduction. this is what must happen, and after the Devastations, my niece will be the first to build the Women’s Cities.

      • Cuberly

        Why not “Gibbon’s Decline and Fall” another fave of her’s. Though it’s slow to get started. Not quite as bleak.

        • Treant

          That one I’ll take. And Grass, which is far less depressing as well.

          I quite liked After Long Silence, but that’s probably her most upbeat work and still involves a fair number of deaths and tragedies.

          • Cuberly

            Haven’t read that one. Will need to give it a go.

            Really like Grass.

        • GDF was awesome. uplifting. my dad used to say Sherri had some issues, but he was old fashioned in a certain way and i could never quite make him understand her. i’m sorry; i could talk about my love for her all day and night. i’ve read almost everything she’s ever written and next to CQ Yarbro, i love her more than anything.

          the scene where they sing for the priest made me laugh out loud. i have friends of “our religion.” hee.

          • Cuberly

            I found GDF surprising. Tepper can get overly repetitive. Of course GDF has her typical themes, but it totally kicks ass in the last act. Really enjoyed it.

    • Jeffg166

      I liked Raising the Stones a lot.

      • Cuberly

        Same here, it’s my fave ST book.

      • Singer kind of messed me up.

  • bkmn

    Let me guess, Florida’s legislators get a very nice benefit package. (Yup, taxpayers subsidize each of them to the tune of over $22K/year).

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/florida-legislators-benefit-from-deeply-subsidized-health-insurance/2232608

  • MassageBear

    All this uncertainty is wreaking havoc on the insurance industry. There is nothing definitive for them to base their (greedy) long-range coverage plans (i.e., profits). Not good news for the business world (health of the nation’s economy) or Wall Street.

  • billbear1961

    OT: Shy Guy just sent us this article, but we’d already heard some of the details on Radio-Canada in a report this morning.

    WINNIPEG, Manitoba — Almost three months after Bashir Yussuf watched Donald J. Trump win the presidential election, he made his way to Noyes, Minn., where he set off at night into the snow-filled woods and crawled across the unmarked border into Canada.

    “I saw what was coming,” said Mr. Yussef, 28, who fled his home in Somalia in 2013 to make a circuitous, five-month voyage to San Diego, where he applied for asylum but was rejected. “I knew Trump was going to deport me.”

    After a three-hour walk, much of it through deep drifts, Mr. Yussuf arrived in Emerson, a small farming town in sight of the snow-swept border with both North Dakota and Minnesota.

    Emerson’s 700 inhabitants have long known “border hoppers,” often offering them lifts to the nearby Canadian Border Services Agency office. But they have never seen them coming in these numbers.

    The morning before Mr. Yussuf arrived with another Somali last Sunday night, 19 other Africans had emerged on the Canadian side of the border, cold and hungry after walking much of the night across frozen farm fields. There were too many to fit into the small border office for processing, so the people of the town rushed to open the community hall, where the new arrivals could get warm, doze on sleeping mats and refuel on Nutella sandwiches, tea and coffee.

    Noting a worrying trend, Emerson officials convened an emergency meeting on Thursday with the police and border agents to figure out a protocol for the next wave of arrivals — which they feared would be soon.

    “The farmers are worried about what they’re going to find when the snow melts,” said Greg Janzen, the reeve, or chief elected executive, of the Emerson-Franklin municipality.

    On Christmas Eve, two Ghanaians were picked up on the roadside north of town, some 10 hours after they had set off into a field near the border, sinking to their waists in snow. The temperature that morning was reported to be below zero, with windchill making it even worse. The men’s hands were so badly frostbitten that they lost almost all their fingers.

    The Manitoba Interfaith Immigration Council, known locally as Welcome Place, typically serves 50 to 60 asylum seekers per year, said its executive director, Rita Chahal. “Since April, we’ve seen already 300,” she said.

    While the government of Canada was unable to provide statistics on the number of people seeking refugee status who illegally enter the country, Sgt. Harold Pfleiderer of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said “there has been an increase in illegal migration in Quebec, Manitoba and British Columbia, with the largest increase being seen in Quebec.”

    A loophole in the rules covering asylum seekers has led some to walk for as long as eight hours in the middle of the night, through wintry landscapes and biting prairie cold, before arriving in Emerson. While an agreement between Canada and the United States makes it impossible for them to simply present themselves at the border and claim asylum, those who make it into the country and then present themselves to border guards can do so.

    Now, in light of the uncertainty and disruption created by President Trump’s executive order on immigration, refugee advocates and human rights groups in Canada are demanding that the government led by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau suspend or cancel the refugee pact, which is known as the Safe Third Country agreement.

    “We are essentially encouraging people to come across the border through irregular means,” said Sean Rehaag, a York University law professor who specializes in refugee and immigration law.

    On Wednesday, the immigration and refugee clinical program at Harvard Law School issued a report stating that Mr. Trump’s executive orders on immigration made the United States “not a safe country of asylum” for people fleeing persecution and violence.

    “When Canada sends someone back to the U.S., we are saying we have confidence the U.S. is going to protect them if they need protection. We don’t see how we can have confidence to say that in the current context,” said Janet Dench, executive director of the Canadian Council For Refugees, a nonprofit umbrella organization of 170 refugee advocacy groups.

    Bashir Khan, a Winnipeg lawyer, has represented 125 refugees before the Immigration and Refugee Board over the past five years. That is on top of the 17 he is representing currently. All were rejected at refugee hearings in the United States.

    “Let’s be honest here,” Mr. Khan said. “They did not get access to justice in the United States. They were locked up from the moment they crossed the Mexican border, and detained an average of nine months. They didn’t know how to fill out asylum forms, they were not given legal aid — not one of them.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/11/world/canada/trump-migrants-canada.html?_r=0

    There is more in the article.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Bienvenidos al régimen autoritario de Estados Unidos.

      • billbear1961

        Vive le Canada!

        • PickyPecker
          • Lars Littlefield

            Num. num, num, num, num . . . . .

          • another_steve

            Had to go get my reading glasses for that one, PP.

          • PickyPecker

            It (the pic, that is) embiggens nicely. 🙂

          • another_steve

            Love the sly little smile on his face.

            It’s like, “Yeah…I got that goin’ on down there. Pretty nice, heh?”

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            Yeah, called my husband over to see this one.

          • I would still pick Justin for a hot evening over any two of these guys — offered at the same time.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Many upvotes to you

    • ByronK

      I couldn’t find the direct link on the CBC but yesterday the did talk about these two gay men who made the trek to Canada rather than be extradited to their home countries to be murdered.
      http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/diaspora/Ghanaian-gay-refugees-lost-several-fingers-to-frostbite-508530

    • SoCalGal20

      Thanks for posting this. Good luck and safe travels to those folks attempting to (and making it) across the border.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • fuzzybits

      Hope nothing happens to that sign.

    • where is that? that is totally awesome!

      • JCF

        I’m guessing it’s in a black neighborhood, where probably few “poor white folks” will see it.

        • there are lots and lots of poor white folks. some of them live close to poor black people, some of them don’t. there are in fact more poor white people than any other kind, in the USA. i grew up among poor white people. i blame the churches.

  • karen in kalifornia

    VOTE ‘EM OUT!!!!!

    • karen in kaliforni

      He won by quite a bit, but still….
      Congressionl District: 12
      Gus Michael Bilirakis (REP) Robert Matthew Tager (DEM)
      Total 253,559 116,110
      % Votes 68.6% 31.4%

  • fuzzybits

    I saw this today and wanted to say I was surprised when he said “ok children”,but nothing out of these heartless bastards surprises me anymore.

    • Could he have been more condescending to the audience? And to try and pass that old worn out LIE about death panels, just shows the how superior he believes he is.

  • Lazycrockett

    Another weekend, another nation wide protests going on!!!

  • JCF

    Topic-related (via Drumpf):

    Rachel Maddow had this story last week, and as DOG lover, it made me so furious I wanted to [self-deleted in the interest of not arousing the Secret Service]!!!

    “the United States Department of Agriculture removed public animal
    welfare inspection reports and annual reports related to the Animal
    Welfare Act from its website. These reports contain information about
    thousands of puppy mills, roadside zoos, and animal testing facilities. If
    you want the federal government to stop hiding animal cruelty, please
    sign this petition telling the USDA to make these taxpayer-funded
    documents public once again!”

    Please sign!

    https://www.change.org/p/tell-the-usda-to-stop-hiding-animal-cruelty-from-american-taxpayers

    • JCF

      Here’s the story Rachel reported:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0foggra7Z4

      • Brian in Valdosta

        I can hardly express how happy I am to hear this report! I have been talking about the need for this kind of legislation for over 20 years. So glad that Rachel is reporting on it, too.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Signing the petition might make you feel better, but if you want to actually get results you need to write a physical letter, put in in an envelope and make sure it has a stamp on it. Real letters actually do get read. Petitions? Not so much.

      • JCF

        I will absolutely do so. This is my effort to FIRST bring this story to people’s attention.

        • Lars Littlefield

          You are a good person. The great puppy and kitten goddess approves.

    • Max_1

      Yep… You think people are mad now…?
      … Wait till their pets get poisoned and die.

    • fuzzybits

      The Humane Society is suppose to be suing.

    • fuzzybits

      One good thing here in the Buckeye state is we passed a law not allowing pet stores to sell puppies from puppy mills. Not so sure if it works though since the Amish are big into it with auctions.

  • goofy_joe

    We have failed our founders, when men like this can stay in office their entire lives, vote for their own raises, lie consistently and then gerrymander their district to keep getting elected.

    • “False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men
      and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime
      without knowing what they are doing.”

      Joseph de Maistre

  • SoCalGal20

    Vincente Fox responded to Trump’s tweet about the wall again. #fuckingwall is officially one of my favorite twitter hashtags lol.

    https://twitter.com/vicentefoxque/status/830424070248357888

    • goofy_joe

      And he is right, especially if Trump levies a 20% tax on Mexican imports. Mexico won’t pay a cent, the American consumer will.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Vincente Fox wasn’t Mexico’s most successful or well-like president. In fact, he’s a major conservative wonk. But I do admire his style and intelligence. He has a rather large spread outside of the city of Guanajuato and still is a major influence in what happens in Central Mexico.

      • fuzzybits

        I kinda dig him though for standing up to the orange menace.

        • Lars Littlefield

          Me too.

          • jixter

            And he’s also seriously hot.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Sí, muy varonil.

      • SoCalGal20

        I might not agree with him in all things but he is intelligent and knows what he’s talking about on the wall and Trump. Much like Evan McMullen. I might not agree with that guy on most political issues but he’s smart, and has smart things to say about Trump, his administration, and fascism. And I welcome any other Conservative with smarts and spine to speak the truth about Trump and situation we’re in right now.

        • Lars Littlefield

          Vincente Fox is a very intelligent politician. Unfortunately, he was slow to get anything going to implement his platform of reform. He was so late it getting reforms going that by the time he’d done anything it was time for him to leave office. Mexico limits a president’s term to six years and only once. Sometimes I think that’s a good idea. But not since Trump fell into the presidency.

          • SoCalGal20

            That’s too bad. Maybe he’s better being an ex-President, like Jimmy Carter has been.

    • I love it. The shock word used above in one of the few words that is still considered taboo in the United States, only people like Bill Maher can get away with using it on cable when discussing politics with limited audiences. No major party politician is allowed to use it. Here, a former President of Mexico is using it his own country people are loving it (as they should). Is there any word in Spanish that would be off limits? – there has to be (no need to put them here, my friends can tell me I am sure).

    • Robincho

      Esto Zorro me gusta muchísimo…

  • Max_1

    O/T:
    Cantwell, Murray Seek Answers From Betsy DeVos After Resource Website for Federal Law Protecting Students with Disabilities is Taken Down, Redirects to Inadequate Source
    Senators are seeking a “detailed explanation” from now-Secretary DeVos for the disappearance of the resource website for the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)

    https://www.cantwell.senate.gov/news/press-releases/cantwell-murray-seek-answers-from-betsy-devos-after-resource-website-for-federal-law-protecting-students-with-disabilities-is-taken-down-redirects-to-inadequate-source

    • Lars Littlefield

      Well, as any Republican will tell you, only perfectly fit humans deserve an education. If you have so much as a limp, forget it.

      • Bj Lincoln

        It’s their own fault for having a problem. It’s just like the poor don’t work hard enough to afford healthcare. It’s their own fault. Healthcare is a privilege not a right. I have heard this from republicans all my life.

        • Max_1

          “You chose to be born that way…”
          I can hear it now…

      • fuzzybits

        Good thing Walter Brennen isn’t alive.

    • Incoming admin has been pulling this shit with EVERY agency public-service website.

      Did you know the USDA took down the info reporting on known puppy mills and other violators of animal welfare laws? Plus of course, the EPA has been scrubbing anything involving environmental concerns. NOAA, NWS, NPS, and other agencies have been ordered to remove climate change info, and so on.

      Basically, the GOP philosophy is “fuck regular Americans, they have no right to anything from their government.”

      • fuzzybits

        And with the USDA thing animals who have no voice at all.

      • Bj Lincoln

        Within hours of being sworn in, all civil rights pages and the LGBT rights page was scrubbed.

        • Our government, even when under the GOP in the Bush years, was familiar and operated within the guide lines the constitution and amendments set forth. The country under cheetolini and the rabid right wing GOP is one of rape and pillage and a place where it’s survival of the fittest.

    • Here is a snip from Politicus USA:
      “In 2000, now Trump Attorney General Jeff Sessions argued in a Senate floor speech that giving disabled children federal protections in the education system was what was causing public education fail. Sessions was arguing against the IDEA act, and DeVos thinks that those protections should be handled by the states.”

      http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/11/trump-attacks-disabled-children-removing-disability-education-rights-website.html

      This just goes to show that its a rare elected GOP person who has even a smidgen of empathy.

      • billbear1961

        Who cares what she thinks?!

        She WILL obey the LAW!!

        (Hello, biki!)

        • Hallo there Mr. Bear!

          Well, it is law for now, but who knows how much longer…..

          • billbear1961

            If they–the GOP–change/rescind that law, sweet biki, may Justice DESCEND on the bastards!

            (XO)

          • The country is quickly approaching a crossroads. On the one hand is government as the framers of our country designed, while the other hand is more of a fascist state with reduced liberties of anyone of; color, creed, nationality, religion, gender, sexuality and ability that those in power decide are worthless. But the non-stop protests across the country leads me to believe we wont be turning down the path of fascism.

    • Bj Lincoln

      Wow! I just read the whole thing. She has guts and not afraid to use them. DeVos better have a response or this gal will go after her.

      • Max_1

        Both of my Senators… I called them relentlessly going into her confirmation hearing.

    • billbear1961

      Jesus, what an evil BITCH DeVos is!

      This is EVIL, and that bitch calls herself a CHRISTIAN!!

      • Homo Erectus

        Bill, honey – christians are evil.

        • billbear1961

          Yes, the majority of them are vicious hypocrites, H.E.

          XO

  • Lars Littlefield

    The arrogance and dismissiveness of Rep. Gus Bilirakis (R-FL) is to be expected. I cannot remember a time in my life since WWII when Republicans haven’t presented themselves as better than everyone else. Growing up my parents, grandparents, me and my siblings were made to feel inferior to the Republican businessmen, teachers, and local politicians. But at least we were in good company. It was damn rare to find a farmer who was Repubilcan.

  • The 12th district is Pasco County and other suburbs north of Tampa and St. Pete — an area that went overwhelmingly for Trump and helped him carry the state in November. The white voters here are generally not young trendy progressive liberals. Mr. Bilirakis carried the district by 68% in November. If he is running into trouble at a town meeting in his own district, the Republicans are in trouble for both the Florida Governorship (Rick Scott is not on the ballot in 2018) and for the congressional elections in general next year. No wonder they are petrified about destroying Obamacare (sorry the ACA, since so many Republicans don’t know that they are the same).

    • fuzzybits

      Still love that woman who went after Scott in Starbucks.

    • Homo Erectus

      Gov. Scott plans to run for Bill Nelson’s senate seat in 2018. Nelson (D) will be 76 years old and is expected to have a difficult time defeating Scott. Bilirakis’s district includes north Pinellas county, where I live. He got 68% of the vote while running un-opposed in the primary and general election. Gerrymandering saves his sorry ass every time.

      • I think Scott is so unpopular in Florida — and Nelson so well liked — Nelson is the clear favorite, even at 76. years of age.

        • Homo Erectus

          Scott’s approval rating is currently 49% which is the same percentage as for Florida voters likely to vote Republican.

  • billbear1961

    OT: Do you want to know how far we’re down the rabbit hole? Check this out.

    The Windsor, Ont. public school board is cancelling all student field trips to the United States because the current American political climate is considered too “unsafe” and unpredictable to permit cross-border travel.

    “Paramount for us is student safety … we really don’t know what will happen to our students at the border,” said Clara Howitt, a superintendent with the Greater Essex County District School Board.

    Ottawa has begun monitoring the situation and recording instances where Canadians — particularly dual citizens — have been turned around.

    “Where one person doesn’t go, nobody goes … we want to make sure nobody is excluded,” said public school board spokesman Scott Scantlebury

    “If ever there was a point in which the world needed to learn about racism and prejudice and the unspeakable truths that need to be spoken, (now is the time),” Masse told the Star.

    Howitt said the board contacted U.S. border authorities before making its decision and was advised that any students who were citizens of the seven listed countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Yemen and Somalia — would be barred from crossing.

    3 weeks in and our closest friend and neighbor is afraid to send some of their children to our country. Can you blame them?

    RESIST!

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/11/1632670/-A-New-Travel-Ban-Bars-Children-From-Entering-The-U-S

    I thought the entire ban had been at least temporarily stayed, by Judge Robart in Washington State.

    EDIT: And, of course, his ruling was upheld unanimously by the panel from the 9th Circuit.

    • It’s worse than that: Anybody who ‘looks’ Muslim can be and sometimes are now being questioned at the U.S. / Canada border. One Canadian citizen was turned away at Detroit, when she wanted to visit her family, after CPB objected to the presence of Muslim prayer videos on her phone. And another of Moroccan descent was turned away simply for being Muslim.

      It has also been noted that some of these visitors are also being asked whether they support Trump.

      • billbear1961

        Yes, I’ve heard these reports.

        So, does that mean Border Patrol is defying the courts, AGAIN??

        Jesus, I find this so confusing!

        • SoCalGal20

          Technically, CPB can deny entry to any non-citizen they feel like. But the targeting particular groups and asking questions like that is wrong. And to refuse entry to dual citizens is something I can imagine they are or will be sued over one of these days.

          • billbear1961

            Yes, they’ve got too much arbitrary power.

            They can’t keep permanent residents out, either, which is one of the reasons that EO was/is so WRONG, legally and morally.

          • SoCalGal20

            Billbear, did you see the picture I posted for you?!

          • billbear1961

            I haven’t seen it yet, but CJ told me about it!

            🙂

            XO

          • SoCalGal20

            I think you’ll enjoy the entire thread. Glad CJ saw it, too! 🙂

      • billbear1961

        I’m an American citizen, and I have NO desire to cross the border for the foreseeable future.

        I’m really afraid my ANGER would show if they asked me ANYTHING that pissed me off.

        They couldn’t keep ME out, as I’m a U.S. citizen. But they could give CJ a tough time.

        And I will NOT set foot where CJ is not allowed to go–EVER.

        At least not of my own free will.

    • Bj Lincoln

      That is so sad.

      • billbear1961

        The U.S. is being SHAMED on the world stage.

        Thank God for the courts and the protesters, or there would be NOTHING but DESPAIR.

        • PickyPecker
          • Edmund Allin

            I’ve never understood that. If all the bad stuff escaped to affect the world, why would keeping hope in the box be a good thing? Shouldn’t it be allowed to escape too?

          • guest

            It’s a symbol of finding hope where you aren’t expecting it, and showing that hope can be anywhere and everywhere, it’s not meant to be about “keeping” hope somewhere.

          • guest

            On second thought, if that is some kind of tool box, then this probably symbolizes the hope that hard work will pay off . . .

          • billbear1961

            Hope is the last thing to emerge from the box Pandora foolishly opens, EA.

            It “enters” the world, too, after all the evils have escaped.

            EDIT: And the bear is WRONG.

            Just checked in Wiki, which says Hope is all that’s left in the box when she, too late, “hastens to close it.”

            Still, it IS supposed to symbolize that hope remains AFTER she has foolishly realized so many evils into the world.

          • billbear1961

            xoxoxo

  • Max_1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp4suZ4jNXg

    Money changes everything
    I said money, money changes everything
    We think we know what we’re doin’
    That don’t mean a thing
    It’s all in the past now
    Money changes everything

    They shake your hand and they smile
    And they buy you a drink
    They say we’ll be your friends
    We’ll stick with you till the end
    Ah but everybody’s only
    Looking out for themselves
    And you say well who can you trust
    I’ll tell you it’s just
    Nobody else’s money

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Is there any way someone can just say to the Dems, “I will run against the asshole even if you think it is unwinnable. I just need the damn D next to my name on the polls.” Because damn, even a name is better than leaving this uncontested.

    • That’s what I feel! Give the people a choice! if they don’t win, they don’t win, but at least the seat wasn’t uncontested!

      Is it legal to do one of those crowdfunding groups to raise money to run for state or federal seats?

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I will have to look that up but jeez, I am sure they would have a lot of volunteers right now with that bitchy child remark. It can not be stressed enough how true this attitude is of most if not all GOP pols.

    • Ninja0980

      Howard Dean did that and was shoved out the door for it.
      Hopefully they’ll do his plan again and stick with it.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Howard made them win, why the hell do they want to lose?

      • bcarter3

        Gov. Dean’s “50 State Strategy” was the most successful electoral plan the Dems have had this century.

        So, in typical Dem move, the party got rid of it, just as they wasted the chance for a real national transformation when they had the Presidency and total both houses of Congress in 2009.

  • This is priceless. I am sure Alec Baldwin is laughing his ass off right now. Those crazy Dominicans!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b834790d0fd66e1de02f0b2b0b7cd45075aba0b19924e64280ba6ebbcde9d60.jpg

    • gaymex1

      Now, if we can just sneak him into the WH

  • Ben in Oakland

    So where were all of these people at election time?

    • Homo Erectus

      Bilirakis always runs un-opposed.

  • Max_1
    • SoCalGal20

      YES REV. BARBER. Watch this video!

      I belong to Indivisble North County San Diego. And there’s a member mailing list. One of the conversations that just happened the other day was a woman who is part of the group but said her husband wants to do something but he’s leery of a group like Indivisible because he thinks it’s just a bunch of Democrats and liberals and he’s a Republican. Somebody on the list made a very smart comment. What the movement is about isn’t a Democratic thing or a Republican thing. It’s a Constitutional thing and about who we are as Americans. Rev. Barber’s comments are similar when he talks about it being a MORAL movement. The resistance groups need to make it clear that anybody who supports the rights and tenets of the Constitution and has compassion for people is welcome, no matter their political view. My Indivisible group is talking about that and I bet others are as well.

  • Max_1
  • Jack

    Good for the good people of New Port Richey.

    I hope someone called him on his attitude, too.

    Now, if only Rep. Chris Collins would show up somewhere in his district.

  • GayOldLady

    The “death panels” is the stupidest and most repudiated lie about the ACA. Look at his audience, there are enough seniors in that audience to challenge him with direct evidence that “death panels” are a LIE.

  • Max_1

    Piers Morgan’s one salient comment from last night’s Real Time…
    https://twitter.com/kharyp/status/830277053207498753

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    The only reason I can think of why Pelosi will not move for impeachment is because she wants the GOP to have to do it and not be able to huff and puff that the mean Dems did it. She may be taking a you break it, you bought it attitude. That said she SHOULD be saying he should be impeached because of how shitty he is.

  • andrew

    The Real Death Panel is the Trump Cabinet, chiefly among them Tom Price. Head of HHS, who wants to cut one trillion dollars from Medicare and Medicaid over the next decade. That sure will cause a lot of deaths.

  • Max_1
    • OdieDenCO

      long haired hippy pinko commie in drag

  • Acronym Jim

    I remember when Jon Stewart, nearly single-handedly shut down the whole “death panels” lie.

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/b52wbd/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-betsy-mccaughey-pt–1

    Apparently, Akins didn’t get the memo. Fortunately, his audience did.

  • Max_1
  • bambinoitaliano

    Hope this is the same scenario across the country. The arrogance these voters feel from their representatives this close will be more effective than explaining to them why these asswipes cannot be supported.

  • Homo Erectus

    Bilirakis is my asshole legislator. Did I mention he is also the highest paid NRA congressman in Florida? Up until now he has been firmly entrenched. Maybe now we can replace him with a real human being.

  • Max_1
    • Cuberly

      Ya know, even when I strain my brain thinking of Trumpisms. I’ve yet to recall a single thing he’s ever said that approaches “stateman-like”.

      • Gianni

        When I hear Ivanka’s name mentioned, all the comes to mind is Donald saying: “If she wasn’t my daughter, I’d be dating her.” Daddy sort of let the cat out of the bag. I’m sure he’s thought of boinking her, too.

        • Cuberly

          Yeah, that passes my mind as well.

          Then I remember the wives were the ones that did the work of raising them, after the divorces of course. Dahnald off-loading them, but hey, now they’re perfect props for him to exploit, right? I mean, look at how he uses Melania, yet she seems to want as limited contact with him as possible.

          What’s that adage? Look how he treats his ex-wives before signing on the dotted line? Or something like that.

          Then I remember their $$ situation, and their obvious catering to daddy’s ego. Then that subtle modicum of sympathy I had for them disappears.

  • bambinoitaliano
  • peterparker

    Hey Joe…It may have already been pointed out, but there appears to be a typo in the original, Mediaite link which had made it’s way into your post.

    The first sentence refers to Representative Bilirakis and then the next sentence refers to Bill Akins. It appears someone at Mediaite’s autocorrect feature doesn’t like Bilirakis any more than that crowd did.

  • gaymex1
  • grada3784
    • gaymex1

      Un-fucking-real.

    • SoCalGal20

      This is right wing propaganda pure and simple. I look forward to OFA working with resistance groups around America.
      🙂

    • Treant

      Yes. Yes, that’s correct, he also has a shadow government and a shadow army. The forces of the Trump cannot withstand this, and Trump supporters, such as Sperry here, would be wise to hide underground and eat their very salty Bakker survival bucket crap.

      Fear us.

    • OdieDenCO

      oh, that’s just wrong. first Obama has at minimum 3 million who will fight and second, he will be commanding the multitude from my sister violet’s. she’s the one with the mercedes, swimming pool, and room for a pony.

    • Michael R

      How Obama is scheming to sabotage Trump’s presidency

      https://s29.postimg.org/mm5lauu1j/not_my_job.jpg

    • Charlie

      this is the best fake news ever – I’m in!

    • Cuberly

      That’s also on the cover of the National Enquirer.

      Journalism!

    • safari

      Oh, so they’re both paid and Obama agitators now. Where do I sign up?

    • BobSF_94117

      And, just to insult to injury, he’s doing it while on vacation

    • Gianni

      Ackk……….conspiracy! Obama, how could you? If there’s even a grain of truth to it, I hope it succeeds.

    • JCF

      Did you notice yesterday’s “news conference” w/ Drumpf and Abe? Drumpf took precisely TWO questions from U.S. media: the NYPust and FUX! >:-/

  • Clive Johnson

    The bitter irony is that without Obamacare we had, and still to some extent do, a lethal degree of rationing of care, with 10s of thousands dying prematurely annually according to two studies.

    So, on the one hand there’s the imaginary “death panels,” which have by definition resulted in no deaths.

    On the other, back in the world where reality and facts and research data count for something, we’ve had many thousands of deaths.

    Bilirakis, in his incomprehensible stupidity, prefers the former view. Is this level of ignorance a precondition for conservative political affiliation?

    • Lars Littlefield

      Studies schumdies . . . Republicans don’t believe in studies.

  • rednekokie

    I hope they keep it up — each time they do it, they lose votes.

  • Brian in Valdosta
    • Michael R

      It’s funny because it’s not funny .

    • Lars Littlefield

      So true.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme
      • Brian in Valdosta

        Chilling, indeed. Clearly the Repubs have borrowed a page from the Goebbels Handbuch.

        • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

          Karl Rove turned it into a GOP playbook, with the Faux News propaganda machine. President Bannon cranked it up a few notches.

    • JCF

      Poor Obama “O”, what they’ve done to you. 🙁

  • Michael R

    Time to supply the children with pitchforks and torches .

  • Charlie

    seriously…are we gonna rehash this? Wasn’t it Tundra Twatwaffle (aka as Caribou Barbie) that pushed this back in the day? How’s her “career” going?

    • Lars Littlefield

      She’s going to be Trumps appointment as ambassador to Canada where she will be able to see angry Canadians from her house.

      • Charlie

        oh yeah…I forgot we were being threatened with that fresh hell…

  • bambinoitaliano
    • Treant

      “No! Wrong! Prepare for the tanks, we’re at war!” –which I’m hearing in Baldwin’s voice as Trump.

      Honestly, I’d rather hear Baldwin for the next five years as opposed to one second of Demented Donnie. At least Baldwin knows that what he’s saying is an over the top joke.

    • Gianni

      😀

  • Halou

    “…but found resistance when he made a specific claim.”

    There is half of the problem. The general population accepts all the small lies without question only waking up when the big lie comes by which time, as November’s events have taught us, it’s too late.

  • SoCalGal20

    OT but those of you in SoCal, leter Feb/Mar could be in for a spectacular desert bloom in Anza-Borrego. The L.A. Times has all the info.

    http://www.latimes.com/travel/deals/la-tr-california-anza-borrego-wildflowers-20170208-story.html

    • Lars Littlefield

      Starting today, February 12, through early March Death Valley is exploding in bloom. It’s not the biggest bloom in recent memory, but it’s promising to be very very good. Also, Interstate 8 from Yuma to Flagstaff and then the byways outside of metropolitan Phoenix area (Gila Bend, which is on Interstate 8) are in full major sex orgy bloom at this very moment. You may have to be prepared for hiding in your car because of sudden thunderstorms, but if you can make it outside of Phoenix right now the world is looking pretty good.

      • SoCalGal20

        Good news! I am planning a day trip out to Anza-Borrego for later this month and then again in March, weather permitting. Last Saturday a friend and I took the 79 and to 371 to 74 into Palm Desert. I’d never taken that drive before. It was awesome!

        I didn’t make it iut for the superbloom last year so I’m pretty excited about going out there this year.

  • Carl

    All republican arguments for dismantling the social safety net are a variation of “we have to take it away from you now in order to stop someone from taking it away from you when you’ll need it later”. It makes no sense but people keep falling for it.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    I think he’s forgotten who pays his damn salary.

    • Halou

      Private healthcare company CEOs, of course.
      His so-called “wages” are just icing on the cake.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        That’s likely true, Halou, but his legal salary comes from us. He’s up there spouting lies and calling citizens children when they disagree with his utter bullshit.

        We should have a method of firing these assholes before elections.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    I hate saying this but there is nothing inevitable about progress or justice. Here are some pics of Kabul, Afghanistan in the 1960s. A lot of people wore Western clothes and nobody looked really afraid. I can only wonder if modern Kabul looks like this or not.

    http://www.architecturendesign.net/afghanistan-1960-bill-podlich-photography/

    • gaymex1

      Thank you for that. It was a chilling refresher.
      Reasonable prosperity, hope and smiles….then came the fundamentalist Islamic militia. Their hate filled unhappiness with life and themselves was/is a virus.
      Could it happen in the U.S.? It is…beginning.
      Vote.

  • safari
    • Lakeview Bob

      Andrew Sullivan is a giant ass. I have no interest in anything he has to say as I suspect most people here would agree.

      • safari

        It is why I posted it.

  • BobSF_94117

    “Number one, there is a provision in there that anyone over the age of 74 has to go before what is effectively a death panel.”

    Under the GOP plan, they don’t bother with a panel…

  • Gianni

    Boy, even Sarah (loudmouth) Palin stopped spouting that bullshit. He looks like he might be 74. Isn’t it time to go before that Death Panel?

    • Michael R

      Let the people vote on it .

    • safari

      Question 1: “Are there death panels?”

      If the answer is yes, then he is senile and should be removed from all offices.

  • Cuberly

    OT: May get slapped for this but I was a little skeptical about ICE’s raids over the past few weeks. Obama was also backing raids, so wasn’t sure if there was in fact a surge of enforcement or if levels were as they’ve always been.

    Well, after a heck of a lot of reading my skepticism appears to have been misplaced. This is unprecedented. And truly sickening.

    Then there’s the expansion of “detention” centers, basically camps to house and process the people they round up. Also, there’s no screening being done prior to rounding people up. It’s not singling out bad apples or anything, it’s every and anyone.

    This is vicious, cruel. This shouldn’t be the face of who we are as a country. Not by a long shot.

    https://twitter.com/EricaJong/status/830548749512560640

    • safari

      This will go on until the business community says enough.

      • Cuberly

        CA central valley farmers, that voted for him btw, are freaking out already. Go figure.

        • safari

          I will never stop being amazed at how many people “never thought he’d do what he said he would” and voted for him.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            I feel like laughing and spitting at them.

          • Cuberly

            Get ready for higher food prices. #MAGA!

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            I’m expecting the farmers to then beg for cheap prison labor until one of the prisoners either escapes or attacks a farmer or his family.

          • Cuberly

            California has a substantial prison population being used for that already. It’s gonna get a LOT worse.

          • safari

            Let me guess the race

          • Cuberly

            Most likely.

          • SoCalGal20

            And also limited or no access to certain fruits and vegetables!

          • Cuberly

            Seasonal considerations for access to certain food too. What’s going to happen to imports.

          • SoCalGal20

            The U.S. would be in a world of hurt without California agriculture. If this ICE bullshit continues, get ready America.

            From a Slate article written in 2013:

            California produces a sizable majority of many American fruits, vegetables, and nuts: 99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts, 97 percent of kiwis, 97 percent of plums, 95 percent of celery, 95 percent of garlic, 89 percent of cauliflower, 71 percent of spinach, and 69 percent of carrots (and the list goes on and on). Some of this is due to climate and soil. No other state, or even a combination of states, can match California’s output per acre. Lemon yields in California, for example, are more than 50 percent higher than in Arizona. California spinach yield per acre is 60 percent higher than the national average.

            http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/explainer/2013/07/california_grows_all_of_our_fruits_and_vegetables_what_would_we_eat_without.html

          • Cuberly

            Can’t prove it but I still think a lot of people that voted for him just didn’t want to see a woman President. Their misogyny winning out over reason.

            Like I said, I can’t prove it but I do think holds true for some.

          • safari

            I have a female relative that I adore that doesn’t like women in office. It’s odd.

          • Cuberly

            Wow, not sure how I’d respond to that. But I know relationships are nuanced not either/or.

          • safari

            She’s my grandma. It’s a generation thing for her.

          • Cuberly

            Ah, ok, that does explain it.

    • Treant

      So they’re being put into…let’s call them “camps” where they can be…let’s just say “concentrated” until they can be…we’ll call it “deported” for now.

      Remember, Hilter’s forces made sure to send faked letters back to the families of those taken away, at first. Later on…was too late.

      • Cuberly

        ICE Agents, the “new” Stormtroopers.

        It does have a certain trumpian ring to it. At least till the GOP decides to rebrand them as “Patriot Freedom Liberty Family Scouts”.

    • Michael R

      The cost of this starts at 50 billion if they go through with it .

      • Tomcat

        And don’t forget the annual budget.

      • grada3784

        On the credit card. Like the Iraq war, it won’t go in the budget.

      • Cuberly

        I have no doubt the “fiscally responsible™” GOP will sign those checks.

    • BobSF_94117

      The unfortunate thing is that Trump’s supporters will see this as the improvement that he promised. The truth is that ICE has only the money Congress gives it and that money is better spent deporting real criminals, not folks on their way to pick up their kids at school. This way, Trump will break apart families, but he’ll deport fewer criminals.

      • Cuberly

        You’re right. You can see posts about how “criminals” are being kicked out. Meaning all undocumented. It’s horrific some of the things they post.

        I mean, shit, even Rubio’s overly punitive immigration plan had a path to citizenship, and his was just shy of being this draconian to begin with.

        • BobSF_94117

          Sadly, ICE is considering the state of being here illegally as a sufficient “crime” to warrant deportation.

          I’m sure they’re going to snag quite a few green card holders and actual citizens in their raids, as well.

          • Cuberly

            Those unfortunate enough to get caught in a raid then sent to “camp”. Waiting to be “processed”. Yep, it’s going to happen, if it hasn’t already.

          • Homo Erectus

            Maybe they’ll snag Ted Cruz.

    • SoCalGal20

      Here’s your new internment camps. I guarantee the for-profit prison industry is salivating over this (and I assume throwing money all over Congress). The detention centers were a mess under Obama and they’ll be even worse with Bannon/Trump and his goons in charge. This is terrible.

      It’s also an attack on CA, NY, “sanctuary cities”, and pretty much any place that has a sizeable immigrant population.

      Btw, most undocumented immigrants are not people who try to sneak across the border. They are people who overstay their visas.

      • Cuberly

        When congress hands them a check to start construction it’s gonna get ugly fast.

        That’s the thing, how many white europeans that may have overstayed their visa are being rounded up….hmmm. I’d say none.

        • Homo Erectus

          Only the brown ones.

      • Kruhn

        They’ve been salivating since November 9th.

    • ByronK

      Well, maybe I’ll skip watching Children of Men again and just put on the news. 🙁

      • Cuberly

        The “Reality Show” version. ARGH!

    • TuuxKabin

      ICE: Water frozen solid.
      ICE: Immigration Customs Enforcement.
      ICE: Hielo

      no. not this one. but the next. sorry, cuberly, my ‘copy’ mode sometimes stays with previous. will edit. damn it. this was for some troll up above.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssC77hapv0g

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssC77hapv0g

      • George Hein

        cuck.

  • Marti386

    Seriously, dude? The “death panel” lie was dead on arrival the moment it left Sarah Palin’s piehole. Talk about dusting off a moldy oldie.

  • Treant

    Way OT: We’re now at the turning point of the year, with spring already on the way in some locations, reaching the turnaround point where the days start to get warmer in others, and not quite there yet but coming in the most northern sections. It all gets nicer from here.

    I started the gardens this morning, with the first flat of the things that need the longest to develop currently on the heater in my office. So far, that’s Melampodium (star daisy, butter daisy), Easter Egg plant (gold eggplant), heirloom vinca (mostly magenta), and mini-Marine heliotrope (a first timer for me).

    • Michael R
    • safari

      I don’t even herb well.

      • Treant

        Ha! Try something like basil; that stuff is a no-brainer. Plant, stick in part or full sun, water and enjoy.

        • safari

          I forget to water. If it doesn’t lick my eyelids or pull at my hair to remind me to feed it, I’m pretty bad with such things.

          • Treant

            Venusian stranglevine? You won’t forget to feed or water that…it’ll let you know by attacking and sucking your precious bodily fluids.

    • gaymex1

      I enjoy gardening too. I sometimes miss the joys of a brisk spring day, but a tropical climate isn’t all bad. Today I harvested a stalk of bananas, picked some citrus, mangoes and avocados…lol. I do miss spring veggies and flowers though. Good luck with the upcoming season.

      • Homo Erectus

        My citrus is all in bloom and it smells heavenly.

        • SoCalGal20

          Ah, that reminds me that I need to go drive by some of the local orange groves. The smell of citrus blossoms is one of my favorite things.

        • gaymex1

          Especially in the evening…heaven.

          • Homo Erectus

            Intoxicating.

          • gaymex1

            Sometimes in the evening I like to float in the darkened pool and take in the fragrance…no Trump thoughts, just blank…until the mosquitoes discover me and reality comes rushing back.

      • TuuxKabin

        Any pitaya?

        • George Hein

          cuck..

        • gaymex1

          Already gone for the year. It’s one of the few fruits we freeze. I love aqua de pitaya. Plants should flower again around June.

          • TuuxKabin

            I love aqua de pitaya, pitaya mojitos, pitaya ices, the entire fruit. They look like something that re-entered the atmosphere. Wish they’d appear on the market up here sometime. It’d blow a few minds to show some friends what a strange fruit and incredible flavor it has. Ice pellets have been falling all day. Sounds like my old Smith-Corona at 65 wpm on the sky lights. Brrr. Can feel the cold air standing beneath them. We enjoy the light they let in, but they conduct cold like a steel I-beam.

          • gaymex1

            I’m a big pitaya fan too…simply frozen and scooped out like a sorbet in its own beautiful pink bowl. Ice pellets are for you hardy souls. Fortunately the only ice I’ve seen today was when I made a glass of iced tea and I’m getting chilled just reading your description of falling ice pellets. We have vented skylights; I love the light and we seldom use any lights during the daytime. My only complaint is that since we leave most doors open during the day, birds sometimes fly in and up to the skylights and I have to balance on a ladder to retrieve them. One dove and two hummingbirds this week and for those who have never tried to catch a hummingbird buzzing around in a 1X2 meter space…well, it’s a trip.

          • TuuxKabin

            Ay, pobre Colibrí. After all these years I’m used to the seasons and enjoy the changing ‘of the guard’ if you will, when we open the skylights (screened) early summer, close ’em when a storm comes in, open them again until another or the end of the warm weather.

            I used to make ice cubes out of the morning’s left over coffee or tea, pour it into ice cube trays, make another pot, let it sit until the afternoon, put the ice cubes into the glass and as they melt they don’t dilute the beverage. Same with alcohol, make fresh squeeze OJ/grapefruit/limeade ice cubes for mixed drinks. HATE a diluted drink. Ain’t nobody got time for that!

          • gaymex1

            Funny, I’ve never really used the ice cube trick with anything other than coffee. Great idea with iced tea…I say as I am sipping on a glass that’s been sitting too long and is diluted…one inch layer of water on top.

          • TuuxKabin

            Optically it’s a turn off to me, to see all that water. Ack! Today, when I stepped outside during the ice storm to shovel and throw the salt all over the place, the stoop, sidewalk, street, cars parked at the curb we’re all coated with a layer of ice. It was like looking thru a frosted window. Almost gave me a fit of vertigo.

            When I was shoveling snow and salting the sidewalk and stop on Friday, a tall, fair, blond, blue eyed, outdoorsy type with just the right facial hair growth to accentuate his features stopped me and asked to let him finish shoveling. I asked him, ‘what did you say?’ He pulled the shovel out of my hands, but I had such a grip, I kinda fell into his chest. He was much taller than me and I’m 6′ 2″. The scent of him was . . . citrus and masculine. He finished, but first told me, go inside your building, rest, lean against the wall, hang your head a bit, breathe normally and BEND YOUR KNEES. He took me by surprised, but I went and did it. He finished shoveling, threw the salt down and left. I’ve lived in the neighborhood for 40 years, except the 7 in Mérida, and have never seen him before. He could have been visiting, or parked his car on the block, tho there was so little traffic in the storm. He was like a visitation. El HubCap thinks it was the human reincarnation of a guard dog we had upstate when we had goats, loyal and stealth protector from the perimeter and would only come into the flock when necessary, and LOVED the snow. Like el HubCap said, you and Garret always had such fun in the snow together and he was always at your side when not ‘on duty.’

            Sorry for the TMI, but it just came back to me. I hear it’s warm down your way. Nice.

          • gaymex1

            Never TMI. That was a great story–a reminder of the kindness of strangers–what a great thing for him to do and what a great experience for you. Nice.
            Beautiful day here. 88 right now in the sun. Clear. Wonderful.
            Stay warm.

      • i don’t think i could give up the northern spring. as a gardener, it is my favorite time of year. the woodland beds here are spectacular, all the more bc of their limited nature and timeframe. it’s just so uplifting and heartening. monoculture would grate on me, i think. i certainly didn’t like texass, which is basically a desert at this point.

        • gaymex1

          I did suffer from lack of spring green when I first moved south. I missed the wonderful perennial beds of North Carolina, but I have adjusted and I now enjoy all the tropicals.

          Peony. Daffodil. Crocus. Early flowering shrubs. Beautiful spring meadows. I do miss those.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Treant

      Oh, fuck off, Donnie. It must be so hard for her, being a thousandaire’s (actual net worth) daughter and holding part of the presidency since you can’t be arsed to do it.

      • -M-

        I also don’t recall a her being abused by the media. They’ve reported companies dropping her failing brand, A) because it’s happening and B) because it’s partially a result of him making their brand toxic.

    • safari

      Was his hand down his pants when he typed this?

      • johncAtl

        Saturday evening, so he’s naked since he doesn’t own a bathrobe.

    • Michael R

      Her personal Vietnam .

    • Gianni

      Get over your fucking self already, shit-for-brains. No one cares how proud or not you are of the daughter you lust after.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      If I were her, I’d be begging him to stop tweeting on my behalf. I think Tiffany is getting the better end of the deal by being FAR AWAY from the shit show.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Remember, this guy has both a Twitter & facebook. Be sure to drop by and send him a message if you happen to have either social media acount.

  • Lazycrockett
    • pikers. i got Soros to buy me a luxe apartment in the heart of Paris, and i use mink for toilet paper. you’ve got to get really creative, spending all this money he sends us.

  • Jeffrey

    So mocking your constituents is now good politics? Why didn’t he just call them all “fuckin’ retards”?

  • OK, so would Yall rather be a fly on the wall at SNL right now? Or a fly on the wall at the white house?

    • safari

      White House because I’d like to testify.

  • Joe Evony

    Check his FB page, I seems he falls for the extreme right wing almost truth

  • Lars Littlefield

    FUN OFF TOPIC du jour: As you may or may not know, Utah is the biggest online viewer of porn in the USA. The Theosilature of Utah keeps trying to make all things porn illegal, but it keeps backfiring on them. They can’t even agree on sex education in schools. “Sex? What’s that? We don’t have sex!” So, xHamster has taken it upon themselves to redirect anyone looking for porn on their site to their own sex education site which is full of legitimate, reasonable, factual, scientific and sensible sex education — with photos and everything. Plus, it includes some major real world advice on sexually transmitted diseases. Just imagine. This has the gentle saints in Utah all a dither. You may enjoy readning this article in the Salt Lake Tribune. If you do, be sure to check out the comments section. The SLTrib uses Disqus.

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/4928118-155/utah-lawmakers-nix-comprehensive-sex-ed

  • Tipsy

    Not that this should be a surprise, but he has a long history of being a bigoted, conspiracy theory believing dispicable human being…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/11/gop-official-in-viral-town-hall-video-is-known-for-sharing-misleading-stories-bigoted-jokes/

  • Blake J Butler

    Its demonic, Its demeaning, its DeVossy.

    https://www.facebook.com/baldpianoguy/videos/1627517420887971/

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

    Just watching CBS evening news. I hate that they are referring to Mar-A-Lago as “the Wiinter White House”. Uggghhh.

    • safari

      I use it as a term of derision. The fact that a news agency uses it is troubling.

    • bobbyjoe

      More like The Winter Outhouse.

    • Natty Enquirer

      And that makes Donnie the Winter Warlock. Note the orange choo-choo. Coincidence?

      http://www.acartoonchristmas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/24SantaClausIsComingtoTown.jpg

      • Bryan

        It’s time to descend upon the territory and turn it into a blazing glorious hellhole with no habitable area for human life and every single open centimeter a terrifying danger to the livin…….
        AH….carry on then.

    • Kruhn

      It’s a tradition that comes from the Nixon era where his house in California was called the Winter White House.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      What, no “beloved (3 syllables) ranch”??

  • Sam_Handwich

    BBC: North Korea ‘test fires ballistic missile’

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38947451?ocid=socialflow_twitter

    • safari

      War with the ocean continues

    • gaymex1

      “It won’t happen.”

      • safari

        Donald’s response will be interesting. And by interesting I mean closer to land war in Asia.

        • gaymex1

          I hope someone around him has the balls to slap him down before he gets us in deeper shit.

  • JT

    What an ignorant fuckwad.

  • JT

    I’m surprised his fat ass didn’t burst into a fat fire.
    http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings/tom-pantsonfire.gif

  • leastyebejudged

    Idiots keep electing these douchenozzles though

  • Paul David

    Here’s the thing that makes me fucking hate progressives, though:

    Sure, these protesters will rightly boo this GOP shitstain at a town hall.

    But come election time?

    Oh, that’s right, these same progressives can’t be bothered to vote. So turnout is down. And, naturally, Racist Grandma can get her racist, Medicare-dependent ass into the voting booth to reelect Rep. Doug Shitstain and, poof!, all those jeers DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

    I just don’t get how progressives don’t understand that you can protest all you want, you can jeer your fucktwat of a GOP representative at townhalls all you want, but literally THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS is whether you vote in November or not!

    • Gil

      Hey, I have a theory: I bet every one of your “progressives” is made of straw.

      • Paul David

        Bullshit.

        The fact that Democrats have lost not just the presidency, but both houses of Congress and 33 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) state houses tells another story.

        Here’s what is actually happening: Progressives tend to think that protesting and generally making your political preferences known is the same as making your market preferences known–and they expect the political system to respond accordingly.

        The problem is that the political system doesn’t work the same as the market, there the expression of market preferences leads to the creation of goods/services/etc. to serve those preferences.

        In fact, the political system ONLY RESPONDS TO VOTING, PERIOD.

        This is why progressives can get all worked up and make a bunch of noise and–guess what!–the GOP politicians that are the target of this vitriol don’t give two millifucks!

        And why? Because they know that politics isn’t about the expression of market preferences, it’s (for them) getting Racist Grandma out of vote on election day…which isn’t hard to do!

        And they also know they can count on progressives to not show up in November!

        And NOTHING ELSE matters.

  • houstonray

    Let’s see, the ACA has been in force for several years now, correct? So shouldn’t there be some examples already? I’m sure more than a few people have turned 74 since then…sooooo….where are the panels?
    Hello?
    Is this thing on?
    McFly?

  • Westcoast88

    I wish there had been Death Panels, like Sarah Palin said. They could have had their meeting and then scheduled her for termination.

  • Richard B

    It really roiled and got under my skin when I heard that smug republican asshole call his constituents “children” when they called him out for lying to them when he stated the Affordable Care Act required people over 74 to go before death panels.
    May Karma catch up with this sleazy republican hack and make wrong, right.
    The real question to ask is why are those people hiring this dishonest low life to represent their interests?

  • The Democrats need to start pointing out the TRUTH that the real death panels are the Republicans who are trying to take health insurance away from Americans.

  • Angelicacwilks

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  • Robert Conner
  • Phillip Hunt

    Florida is the final answer

  • Noh

    So, he’s facing a “Death Panel”?

  • When it was first tabled, the Republican Party gutted the Public Option out of Obamacare, that would have given universal healthcare free at point of delivery, and then they tried nearly SIXTY TIMES to repeal what was left. Voters have given the Republican Party the power to strip Americans of healthcare by electing them knowing that is what they are going to do, so why is anyone surprised? The Republican Party now control all three branches of US governance, as well as the majority of state legislatures and state governorships, AND they now command the US Military too.

    I don’t blame politicians, because they never made any secret of the fact that they were going to repeal Obamacare, nor that they would criminalise abortion, ban Muslim immigration, deport 11 million undocumented immigrants, build a giant wall at the Mexican border, and repeal 100% of the LGBT rights gains made under Obama. America, you voted for this, and now you have buyer’s remorse?

  • When it was first tabled, the Republican Party gutted the Public Option out of Obamacare, that would have given universal healthcare free at point of delivery, and then they tried nearly SIXTY TIMES to repeal what was left. Voters have given the Republican Party the power to strip Americans of healthcare by electing them knowing that is what they are going to do, so why is anyone surprised? The Republican Party now control all three branches of US governance, as well as the majority of state legislatures and state governorships, AND they now command the US Military too.

    I don’t blame politicians, because they never made any secret of the fact that they were going to repeal Obamacare, nor that they would criminalise abortion, ban Muslim immigration, deport 11 million undocumented immigrants, build a giant wall at the Mexican border, and repeal 100% of the LGBT rights gains made under Obama. America, you voted for this, and now you have buyer’s remorse?

  • Juliejschumacher

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  • Gregory In Seattle

    Those would be the death panels that Republicans desperately want to create by eliminating the ACA?