Spicer On Anti-LGBT Order: “Ideas Are Being Floated” But The Pendulum Is Swinging To “Religious Liberty”

Keen News Service reports:

Asked whether the draft in circulation is one being considered by President Trump, Press Secretary Sean Spicer said at a White House briefing Thursday, “Right now, there are no executive orders we are able to read out.” He added, however, that there are a “lot of ideas being floated out,” and “input and ideas” being provided “on a variety of subjects.” But he said that “until the president makes up his mind, there’s nothing going out.”

The answer provided little relief to LGBT legal activists, particularly given that President Trump on Wednesday, met with almost a dozen representatives of right-wing groups, including those with specifically anti-LGBT agendas. And at the National Prayer Breakfast Thursday morning, President Trump reiterated his support for eliminating the “Johnson Amendment,” which prohibits tax exemptions for organizations participating in political activity.

Start the clip at 9:30. Note that Spicer three times says the “pendulum” is now swinging back to so-called religious liberty.

  • Jeffg166

    Whatever they say is true is true to them and their believers. To the majority of the people who didn’t vote for him and don’t support his policies not so much.

  • William

    Will Friday evenings bring us horrible surprises as long as Trump is in office?

    • Jeffg166

      Yes.

    • safari

      Has there been a night yet without some revelation?

    • Derrick Johns

      Yep, bad surprises. Can you even imagine his first State of Union Address?

      • Ernest Endevor

        Personally, I can’t wait. Also the White House Correspondents’ Dinner. If anyone shows up.

      • AtticusP

        I keep hoping he’ll be forced to leave office before then.

        Every day that he’s in that office he damages America a little bit more. And it’s already starting to add up.

        • ScubaBearLA

          Day? Try hour.

      • He’s going to be STILL yammering on about how he won the election so bigly.

      • ByronK

        OMG, no. “The State of the Union is fabulous, ok folks? Really, really fabulous. Tremendous. The best in history. In all of history. Fabulous.”

        • Derrick Johns

          LOL Yes. It might be impossible to watch and listen…even for Pence.

      • Frostbite

        Will there be a Union left to address?

    • AtticusP

      His son-in-law Jared Kushner is an observant Orthodox Jew. From Friday at sunset through Saturday at sunset, he won’t be available to advise Trump. You can bet he has been a somewhat calming influence on Trump. When he’s out of the room, that asshole Bannon takes charge.

      We’ll probably be at war with somebody by Sunday morning.

      • JDS

        If he is a observant Orthodox Jew, then I’m Jewish by injection also. His wife did not do a valid conversion. And I’m certain they do NOT keep Shabbos.

        • AtticusP

          I sure hope you’re right, but I think I have read otherwise.

          It would be comforting to know that, if Kushner is a calming influence, he would be available on Friday nights to prevent any mayhem.

          • TampaDink

            Nah. It would just mean that his father-in-law can & will do anything antisemitic that Pres. Bannon tells him to do.

    • Every morning now I wake up expecting to hear that he’s issued an EO to either (a) blow up Mt. Rushmore completely or (b) add his visage in place of Lincoln’s…

      • Mark

        He’d replace all with him and the kids….

    • Dagoril

      I’m afraid every evening will be bringing us horrible surprises.

    • Acronym Jim

      They don’t even bother waiting for Friday nights anymore. The horrible surprises begin at 3:20 am Sunday morning and don’t end until 11:59 pm Saturday night.

      • William

        Now that the administration knows lawyers will turn up at short notice, they might not bother with the traditional Friday afternoon news dump.

  • Cousin Bleh

    Get ready to march.

    • Scribble Writer 🌹 ☭

      …and keep marching. Protest fatigue is not an option any more than taking a break from swimming is an option for a drowning man.

      • Bad Tom

        Actually, taking a break from swimming IS an option.
        It’s just that then you drown.

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    How disgusting that for SS, on the one swing of the pendulum, you have “religious freedom”, and on the other, “political correctness”. Summing up discrimination protections as political correctness.

  • Tomcat

    Well, time to start claiming LGBT is a religion, people.
    One religion is as good as another. Then you can start screaming religious persecution, like the poor white Christians do.

    • TampaDink

      I’ve already picked out my new confirmation name….Mary-Blanche.

    • Acronym Jim

      You really want to get them in a tizzy? Bring back the same-sex temple prostitutes Paul was railing against in his letters to the Romans.

  • William

    If churches want to get down and dirty into politics, they can pay their fair share of taxes.

    • Chucktech

      Nope. Not gonna to pay. Gonna do it anyway. That’s how christianist rat fucks roll.

      • Matthew Delemos

        Taking advantage of everyone is how they always roll. They’ve fed off human misery for eons.

      • Mihangel apYrs

        don’t defame rats. They’re sweet and loyal

  • SunsetGay

    Right now ideas are being floated as to what to do about the Jewish problem. The pendulum is swinging in the direction of elimination. — Wannsee Conference, 1942

    • Vegas sunshine

      I would like to welcome young LGBTs to our world now. Thank you for joining us in getting to witness and feel discrimination and hopefully you too will learn to NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!

  • AtticusP

    “Religious liberty”, my ass!

    It’s freedom all right: freedom to bully others into having to live by the same bullshit rules that they’ve chosen to live their lives by.

    Let the fuckers just put the little Christian fish on their doors. You can bet your ass that I would go a mile out of my way to avoid doing business with them if I know how they feel.

    Fuck them. Fuck the Republicans. And fuck Trump!

    • ETownCanuck

      Except it’s usually not the rules they live their lives by, they only expect others to follow them. Do as I say and not as I do and all that jazz….

      • AtticusP

        Very good point. Thanks!

      • Exactly. That’s why Republicans keeps breaking the rules and do underhanded shit, because the rules aren’t “meant” for them, they’re meant for others.

        • Especially democrats and anyone not a blinding shade of white who worships a zombie.

      • Curieux Bleu

        When the “Christian” republican hypocrites break the rules, there is no Senate Inquiry. Of course not! Don’t be daft, people!

        They run, tears running down the cheeks, to Jesus, who automatically lets them off the hook every single time! Cuz he knows full well they have no moral fibre or basic human decency to start with.

        What a crock of shit, their vaunted “family values” or “moral standards”.

        Nasty, insecure, fearful, angry, greedy little right wing pigs who are also horrendous bullies. Excessive retail therapy seems to assuage their existential angst slightly, but they have to constantly go back to the well, and therefore need to hog most of the wealth and resources of the world.
        Yes, these phony pseudo-“Christianistas” and their religious freedom bullshit NONSENSE are the DEPLORABLES in every way. Fuck them all!

        • Mihangel apYrs

          pigs are intelligent.

      • FAEN

        Exactly! They have no problem baking or selling a cake to someone who is divorced but won’t bake or sell a cake to a gay couple getting married? That isn’t ‘religious liberty’ but pure animus.

    • David

      Exactly this. If they get to discriminate then I want a sign in the window so everyone knows what they’re dealing with up front.

      • kelven

        We’ll have an app for those that think they can practice their bigotry without anyone noticing.

      • NancyP

        And more practically, there could be an app that would crowd-source information rating discrimination, or lack of, for various groups. I think that it could be gamed to require registration and curated so that ratings of newcomers are either not shown or are given little weight. Plus, registered users get adverts from gay businesses. At least some of the adverts should be NSFW.

    • kaydenpat

      Religious liberty = hate.

  • safari

    Is it normal for there to just be a buffet of executive orders being produced and the president bellies up to the bar every day and loads a plateful to sign?

    • Adam Schmidt

      I’m waiting for him to sign a bill… you know, where Congress takes part in government? Because so far he’s ignored the courts and ignored Congress acting as if he’s the only part of the U.S. government.

      • William

        Didn’t you hear, Trump was anointed Emperor by god.

        • safari

          Actually, he’s Jesus. He said so.

          • William

            Get him back up on that cross.

          • Paula

            And for fucksakes use some superglue and duct tape, too. Make sure he stays there this time!

          • perversatile
          • William

            Through the wrists, not palms.

          • perversatile

            ”Not the back, but the side”-The Rocky Horror Picture Show

          • Rick

            This song brings back the memories!

          • Bad Tom

            We can spare the wood.

          • TampaDink

            He’s way better, he has more fans.

          • TimCA

            “He’s way better, he has more fans.”

            Exactly. After all, how many Twitter followers does JC have?

          • TampaDink

            “If I keep winning as president, I plan to establish my own religion, where I am the deity to be worshiped by my ignorant followers. Then I can prove how much better I am the J.C..”

          • Timothy W.

            He’s a better Jesus. People have finally started to say it and he agrees.

          • Steverino

            And he’s more popular than Jesus. That would likely go down better with his religious right-wing supporters than it did with John Lennon.

          • Frostbite

            Jesus never had a reality show with ratings as high as Trump!

          • Jerry

            He doesn’t like messiahs that were captured and killed…

          • TimCA

            McCain and Jesus…..LOSERS!

          • Rex

            He prayed to himself this morning.

          • TimCA

            I’m sure if you’re of the ilk of Michele Bachman, Jerry Fallwell, Jr. et al, Trump is the next best thing until the second coming of Christ himself.

          • FAEN

            He can’t be, Jesus has HAWT abs.

          • kaydenpat

            White Jesus. Get it right!

        • Jerry
      • Ernest Endevor

        Because he is the King! Of Everything! It’s good to be King! And such as.

      • TimCA

        Trying to pass legislation is for cucks. Consensus and actual governance are for effeminized weaklings.Trump is an alfa male according to Limbaugh

        #notmypresident

      • kaydenpat

        You have to wonder why he doesn’t work with Congress since it is dominated by Republicans anyways. Kind of strange.

    • Lazycrockett

      Its all Pence and his team are doing.

      • William

        Bingo!!!

        • Lazycrockett

          You can tell at each of these EO signing that Asshole has no clue what is being presented to him. He just says a couple words like “beautiful” and “amazing” signs his name then holds it up to the camera proudly like he didn’t shit himself that day.

          • Chris Baker

            “You have such beautiful penmanship President Trump. Let me see you sign your name here.” “Oh wow, that is terrific, perfect” ” I wonder if you can do even better, try it again here”

          • Acronym Jim

            He has one of the ugliest signatures I’ve ever seen. It looks like it’s stabbing the text above it with multiple knives.

          • William

            The handwriting is straight out of Nazi Germany. The Allies banned that type of writing after the war.

          • David

            The man would sign his own death warrant if there were cameras.

          • TampaDink

            Oh please, oh please, oh please.

          • Steverino

            Signing his resignation would be good enough.

          • Acronym Jim

            Having him sign the personal belongings registry at a federal prison would be even better.

          • Todd20036

            I’d take that bet

    • TampaDink

      No. Nothing about this administration is or ever will be normal.

      • FAEN

        Nor should we let anyone normalize his behavior.

        • TampaDink

          Absolutely. The world needs to be reminded, every day, that everyone in the USA is not on board with this madman.

          • FAEN

            I think most of the world has figured that out but it’s always good to keep reminding them.

          • TampaDink

            Let’s just hope that we are able to maintain freedom of speech & not end up like the Germans who disagreed with their Hitler’s reign of terror.

          • FAEN

            I’d like to say that isn’t a possibility in our country but these days who knows.

            I do have faith, for now at least, that Chito Voldemort and his Nazi pack will go too far and will pay for it at the polls.

          • TampaDink

            Speaking of possibilities, I keep thinking that there is a possibility that even if we are not nuked into oblivion, elections might be determined to be passe & best left in our history.

          • FAEN

            Perish the thought. It’s going to be a LONG 2 years.

          • TampaDink

            My liver is going to weigh more than I do.

          • FAEN

            LOL! As I salivate thinking of a Moscow Mule made with French vodka not Russian.

          • TampaDink

            There are plenty of good vodkas from quite a number of places besides Russia.

          • FAEN

            As afraid as I am I still believe there are too many people in this country who would put their bodies on the line to prevent that from happening.

          • TampaDink

            I hope that you are right.

          • FAEN

            Me too.

          • FAEN

            Isn’t it ironic that Germany is now looked on as the free country of the world while the US, UK and France are moving towards fascism.

          • TampaDink

            It boggles my mind to think that if we are plunged into another world war, Germany & Japan will be the good guys & we’ll be everyone’s worst nightmare.

          • FAEN

            I know. Makes my head hurt.

        • TampaDink

          Especially the media.

          • FAEN

            Exactly.

          • TampaDink

            I hope that the creators of “South Park”, as mentioned in a newer thread here on JMG, are not setting a standard in backing off on making fun of Hair Furor. I can’t help but wonder if they haven’t been “advised” by the presidential brute squad to stop portraying Hair Furor….and if that is the case, we can expect a whole lot more cases like this.

          • FAEN

            I’d be disappointed in them if they succumbed to Chito Voldemort’s bullying. You can’t back down from a bully or they won’t stop. Just look at how he backed off going to Wisconsin because there were going to be protests. He can’t handle it.

            He’s SUCH a thin skinned whiny little bitch the more he’s mocked the better.

          • TampaDink

            I agree….I just worry that our freedom to do so may be removed via executive order.

          • FAEN

            I think if that happened there would be riots in the streets.

          • TampaDink

            Whatever it takes for as long as it takes.

          • FAEN

            I’m with you!

          • TampaDink

            We’re all in this together….sadly we are also in this with people who want nothing more than to live under the type of govt. that Pres. Bannon fantasizes about.

        • Acronym Jim

          Chris Haye’s show was reporting on the latest Trump malfeasance with a banner saying “The New Normal.” It should have read “The Not Normal.”

          • FAEN

            YES!

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Cory Booker had an excellent point this morning talking to Rachel Maddow, which is that he’s worried about “outrage fatigue,” that Trump & Bannon are deliberately keeping up this constant barrage of outrages in order to just wear everybody out.

        I’ve read a few other columnists the last few days who think that this is their strategy.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          exactly right.

        • TampaDink

          I saw that interview & have to agree as well. The plan to wear us out & wear us down cannot be allowed to succeed.

          • PickyPecker

            It’ll be along haul, but we will NOT be worn out by this nonsense.

          • TampaDink

            Unless he manages to snuff us out before we can get worn out.

    • paulrees100

      I wondered the same thing. According to the Washington Post, it is often the first thing a new president does.

      “Back in 2009, for example, Obama signed nine executive orders in his first 10 days and 16 total in January and February.”

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/27/what-is-an-executive-order-and-how-do-president-trumps-stack-up/?utm_term=.b8f32ea6a59a

    • kaydenpat

      Don’t you recall the good old days when Republicans routinely decried the Black Man in the White House signing Executive Orders?

  • Derrick Johns

    Well, I know we’re not suppose to feel sorry for Spicer, but he’s headed for a nervous breakdown. Having to defend and explain that orange maniac in White House.

    Free Melania!

    • Lazycrockett

      Let everyone associated with this Asshole heads spin till they pop off. Fuck all of em.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup, they were willing to deal with this for SCOTUS and other judicial seats, so I have no pity for them.

    • David

      I admire your kind impulse, I have to fight those within myself as well. But no, Spicer signed up for this, it’s a hell of his own making. Sink or swim buddy.

    • TampaDink

      I think that he & that Conjob lady are competing to see who can avoid a complete breakdown the longest.

    • Mike in Texas

      Nobody forced him to accept this job.

      • Lazycrockett

        Everyone of them even down to Tiffany got on the gravy train the only so far that gets a pass is Barron but Im sure he will show his entitled assholery soon enough.

  • Tomcat

    Damn religious SNOWFLAKES.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Yes, a “pendulum”. Because as was so wonderfully expressed yesterday about “originalist” judges, there’s a magic center, which they and they alone hold down against activist hordes.

    And of course, we know it’s the correct position because it’s in the CENTER! DUH!

  • Pollos Hermanos
    • Sam_Handwich

      lol

      • abqdan
    • moebym posted this

      *BRAAAAAP* *BRRP* *PTHHT* *PTHHT* *FTHBBBBBT*

      Bravo! Brilliant speech, Mr. President!

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        We’ll now interview former Congressman and current Douchebag Joe Walsh, who will defend Trump’s “FTHBBBBBT” remark, and Scott Baio who feels that the “PTHHT” was most important. Also, Jeffrey Lord to be fair & balanced.
        ….
        ….
        ….
        And Kimberley wins because she has the shortest skirt today.

        https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oczL8Rml-Yw/maxresdefault.jpg

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      • Jeffrey

        Which would be the smartest thing he’s ever said.

      • coram nobis

        And Secretary of State Tillerson praised the Leader for finding new energy sources.

    • David

      This is wonderful.

    • AtticusP

      The likeness is uncanny!

    • Blackfork

      Oh, thank you so much for that.

    • Gigi

      Love it!!

    • abqdan

      Considering the amount of shit that comes out of Trump, I sincerely doubt his ass-hole is that tight. 🙂

    • kaydenpat

      A decisive improvement.

  • KnownDonorDad
  • Rex

    Of course it is, because Trump is surrounded by anti-lgbt haters that are constantly kissing his ring and ass so they’ll have their way.

    • David L. Caster

      I think all of this can be lain at the feet of Pence. This is the courting of the religious right and “buying” loyalty of the evangelical base.

  • William

    It’s time to rebrand the Party as the Christian Republican Party.

    • Christopher

      The Christian Republican Association Party.

      C.R.A.P. for short.

      • Snarkaholic

        Conservative
        Republicans
        Against
        Progress

        • Christopher

          I like yours better!

          • Acronym Jim

            Change the last word to “Progressives” and maybe we can trick them into adopting it.

      • Hue-Man

        From 2000

        On the weekend, delegates at the United Alternative convention formally named their new party the Canadian Conservative Reform Alliance, also known as the Canadian Alliance.

        But it quickly became known by the unfortunate acronym of CCRAP by those attaching “party” to the end of the official name.

        By Monday afternoon, the name was changed to the Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance, switching the two words to avoid the embarrassing acronym. The acronym now is a sanitized CRCA.

        http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-party-changes-embarrassing-acronym-1.240933

        • Acronym Jim

          Since acronyms are a sequence of initials that are meant to be pronounce phonetically, does that mean CRCA is pronounced “Ker-KAW!”?

          Seems appropriate.

  • Tomcat

    looks like we are headed to ETHNIC CLEANSING, Trump style.

    • alguien

      rather than wringing our hands, we might be thinking of ways to fight them off and defend ourselves.

    • penise-pence style

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Good. Time for some Muslim adoption agencies to pop up, making sure no Xian families get their hands on the defenseless “pagan babies”.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Q1: Are you a Christian ____ Yes ____ No.

      (If you answered Yes, your application process is complete. DO NOT answer any other questions. Please sign on page 29. kthxbai.)

    • Jerry Kott

      I sometimes lie awake at night wondering how my “pagan babies” are doing.

  • Translation: “Trump hasn’t decided how much pain and misery to inflict yet. Throwing the dirty homos off of roofs hasn’t yet been ruled out.”

    • I think this has penis-pence and kkkbannon’s fingerprints all over it. I don’t believe that cheetolini cares one way or the other about lgbt folks or abortion.

  • Kim K’s Kute Koochy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    There have been a slew of “leaked” EOs floating around. Donnie’s gaslighting all of us

  • another_steve

    Very very tricky to make the case to the American public (which for the most part is religious) that something as benign sounding as “religious liberty” can be an evil thing.

    It can be done, but it’s going to take the brightest and most strategic thinkers and orators the United States has.

    • Mike in Texas

      Given the definition of “exercise of religion” given in yesterday’s leaked document, it shouldn’t be terribly difficult, since it states “exercise of religion” includes things that are not required by or even taught in religions.

      • Wow, they are going after opposite sex per-marital sex? How is that going to play in the heartland?

        • Snarkaholic

          “Shirley Bob, the guverment says we cain’t has sex no more, but you’ll still always be my favorite sister!”

          • hahahahaaaaaa! You are so very funny!

    • David L. Caster

      Freedom of religion does not include a freedom to ignore the law and the provisions of the constitution. It will require an education process to teach the public what freedom of religion actually means. What is needed is the voice of people associated with religion and religious organizations speaking out against the abuses and misinterpretation of the free exercise clause.

      • Hahahahahahahahahahaaaaahahahahahaaaaa! Yeah, like THAT will ever happen. All those NALT xtian groups never helped the fight for lgbt freedom.

      • another_steve

        With some notable exceptions, religious leaders will be loathe to make the argument against Trump’s soon-to-be-signed E.O. because to do so would be viewed as a form of emasculation. The taking away of their power to control and sway their flocks.

        There’ll be exceptions. Some religious leaders will speak out against the E.O. forcefully.

        But most will not.

        • David L. Caster

          I know, and those voices that are raised will likely be drowned out by the even louder yells of the evangelical and dominionist sects.

          This is not going to end well.

  • Ninja0980

    And when the bigoted EO comes out, the homocons will do what they’ve been doing the past few days and that is attack Joe and other LGBT activists while make excuses for their own bigoted party.

  • Oh, Parker

    They’re just trying too keep everyone in suspense for ratings. This is a bad reality show that you can’t turn off.

    • FAEN

      I’m hoping we can lower the ratings in 2018 and cancel it in 2020.

      • TampaDink

        I hope that we can do both sooner. Much sooner.

        • FAEN

          I do too. He’s a danger to the world.

          • TampaDink

            Yes. Reminiscent of lyrics from Sondheim’s “Assassins”, the song is (of course) about guns…but I really fear that some little orange fingers will find their way to enter the launch codes.

            “And all you have to do
            Is move you little finger,
            Move your little finger and-
            You can change the world.
            Why should you be blue
            When You’ve you little finger?
            Prove how just a little finger
            Can change the world.”

          • FAEN

            IKR? He’s just itching to use our nukes. And people wonder why I’m barely sleeping these days.

          • TampaDink

            I’m right there with you. Sleeping is giving way to more drinking.

          • FAEN

            Vodka is our friend.

          • TampaDink

            Best of friends.

          • FAEN

            Damn skippy 😍😍😍

          • TampaDink

            Damn Stoli too.

  • Lazycrockett
    • yikes….

    • The quid-pro-quo is blindingly obvious at this point. President Babyhands is selling out the country and its national security to Russia in exchange for the presidency…and probably that 20% stake in the Russian oil company everybody keeps talking about.

  • Mike in Texas

    And, of course, absolutely nobody understands that “religious liberty” is a code word for license to discriminate for any bigot pretending to be religious.

    Sean is a very lousy liar.

    • Silver Badger

      Religious liberty is such a useful term. As Swarthy Ham covered up his naked, drunken father, Noah, blacks are justifiably enslaved. The Jews killed Christ so It’s ok to hate jews. Women are biblically possessions, my religious liberty lets me talk down to them and pay them less. Christian LUV at it’s finest.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    The reason this is taking so long to craft some POS which will float has already been brought up on JMG: where does this “corporate sovereignty” begin and end? The CEO? The Board? The clerk behind the counter in Kentucky?

    The problem with all previous attempts is that, in the private sector at least, they freed up underlings to defy corporate/HR policy which might exist, but leave corporate/HR out to dry for any legal challenges brought as a result of the behavior.

    If an FADA iincludes a de facto elimination of any and all Federal protection (and it will), then, in hand with a properly crafted EO, discrimination is home free. If they want this, they’re going to have to accomplish two things, and they’re going to have to craft them both so that neither runs afoul of the Establishment clause.

    Pretty tall order for their usual brain trust.

    • “…they’re going to have to craft them both so that neither runs afoul of the Establishment clause.”

      THEY DON’T CARE! Why don’t people get this? Trump is already ruling by fiat, essentially leaving the other two branches of government out in the cold because NO ONE will stand up to this man-child and say NO, YOU CAN’T DO THAT.

      Meanwhile, the vast majority of Democrats continue to bring feather dusters to the knife fight. “Politely” asking that he pay attention to them.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Yes, they have always crafted perfectly illegal legislation because they don’t care.

        The point is, state RFRAs have traditionally offended business certainty enough to erode support from that part of the GOP base.

        So they’ll take their time to avoid another Indiana in the interests of longer term goals. (However, South Carolina shows that we are in completely new territory with just how suicidal the Christers are, and this was before the inauguration.)

  • Butch

    Well, the check to the ACLU went out yesterday; I was going to wait until next paycheck for Lambda Legal but I guess I need to bump up that schedule some.

  • FAEN

    See you in court mother fucker.

  • PickyPecker
  • Boreal
  • Lazycrockett
  • The pendulum is swinging toward legalized Fundamentalist Christian oppression against anybody who doesn’t believe as they do.

    • Lazycrockett

      Maybe its time we start showing these fundies what Oppression really feels like.

      • Lions are endangered, no? What can we use instead?

        • Lazycrockett

          wood chippers?

        • Treant

          Thousands of giant rats. They nibble, it takes longer, but they get there eventually.

          • Mark

            Waaaa. Did i mention that i discovered yesterday evening a fucking rat chewed the wire harness on my truck?? Won’t even start!!

            So, I’m gonna have to vote no on the rats as they are most definitely my enemy now… ! 🙂

          • Treant

            Plus giant rats are the enemies of people and most people dislike them.

            The only other thing I could suggest is large spiders.

          • Acronym Jim

            The giant rats are too busy running the country at the moment.

          • Treant

            Oh, honey…there are always more giant rats.

            🙂

        • Snarkaholic

          Honey and fire ants?

        • ETownCanuck

          They wouldn’t be endangered anymore if they were all well fed like they were back in ancient Rome 😉

    • Mark

      It’s swinging toward theocracy.
      If Trump is removed – we have pence. With pence, we have theocracy.

  • Paula

    “Ideas Are Being Floated” But The Pendulum Is Swinging To “Revolution”
    We have our own idea, Lyin’ Spice

    • Treant

      I’m beginning to think that revolution…at least a small and very specific one…may be the only workable solution.

    • Mark

      I am honestly beginning to believe that a revolution to remove the current administration regime is the only way – whether it be done via the military or the citizenry.

      You say you’ll change the constitution
      Well, you know
      We all want to change your head
      You tell me it’s the institution
      Well, you know
      You better free you mind instead

  • Bad Tom

    We Used To Be a Nation of Laws

    Back then (before January 20, 2017,) noxious notions like this would AT LEAST be debated on the floor of the Congress, and then VOTED ON.

    Now we only become aware of them because some robust soul LEAKED A DRAFT.

  • Cuberly

    Ph-Leeeeze! We’re kidding ourselves thinking this won’t happen. Our fight started Jan 20th fer kriss sake.

    https://twitter.com/ReaderAdrift/status/827164991149191168

  • Duh-David

    So let me see if I have this right — If the groundhog sees his shadow we only have six more weeks of Trump? Or is it that the groundhog on his head goes back in his hole and we return to sanity? I’ve never been able to figure out groundhog day. My Gram used to call them, “whistle-pigs.”

  • Jeffg166

    Donald better have a woman who doesn’t like LGBT people doing his comb over everyday.

    • Treant

      And his cooking. And serving the food. And guarding him while he sleeps.

      • Jeffg166

        One wonders how many loogies are in his food nowadays.

  • karmanot

    Kristallnact Part Two: The Amerikan version! And so it begins

  • PickyPecker
  • canoebum

    We’ll see you in court, motherfuckers. And on the street. And in front of your houses, and at your churches and at your town halls.

  • Ninja0980

    Don’t forget the lawsuit in Texas next month which is designed to limit the effects of Obergefell with the hopes of one day overturning it or making it worthless.
    And it’s a safe bet that if Thomas and Alito say they have no qualms doing so, safe bet the man joining them and is to Alito’s right will be too.

    • Circ09

      One thing- Isn’t that case running through State court, though, not Federal?

      • Ninja0980

        Yes but when they rule against us, we can appeal, only it will go straight to SCOTUS just like Romer did.

  • Will the following scenario be legal with what was proposed on the memo? (this is theoretical). Two attractive well dressed men around 35 – driving a car with California tags — walk into a rural diner on a cross-country trip say, in Biloxi, Mississippi, and are looked at suspiciously by some of the patrons and staff. They are simply paying attention to each other, look at the menu, and an ornery Waitress walks up to them and says “The management is sorry, we prefer not to serve your kind here. Unmarried same-sex couples are not welcome. You gentlemen will need to leave now please”. The two guys look at each other, and decide that its best not to put up a fight, even though they are just friends. Will a scenario like that be legal? Note — I never said if these guys were straight, gay, whatever, trans, or friends — it does not matter. But I have had nasty looks in some rural places driving cross country with a straight friend of mine who thought people thought we were a couple once.

    • Yes.

      • Uch. If this passes, this will embolden people to be bigoted. That is what is scary.

        • Drumpf’s election already emboldened them in many parts of the country, especially in places like you just mentioned.

  • Boreal

    Just donated (again) to ACLU and first time to FFRF.

    • Gene Perry

      Been an ACLU & a FFRF member for years … welcome!

      BTW: FFRF can be found at https://ffrf.org/get-involved

      • Boreal

        I’ve belonged to ACLU since the 90s but not FFRF. Thanks for the link but I’ve already been to their website to donate. 🙂

      • Jon Doh

        I like the Donate in Mike Pence’s Name option at FFRF.

  • Gene Perry

    Just waiting for the Executive Order annulling all same-sex marriages.

    • But…but…”States’ Rights!!!” /s

    • If they do that, a question needs to be answered: the supreme court has ruled gay marriage legal* for a year and a half, so what harm has it done in that time? and it has to be actual harm, hurt feelings… don’t count.

      *I know it’s not as simple then that, but not the point…

  • Lazycrockett
    • Ninja0980

      I don’t understand anyone from our side saying others could have been worse.
      If he gets confirmed, the only person on SCOTUS worse then him will be Thomas.
      This asshole is truly as bad as it gets.

      • Circ09

        I think it may be a tie between this guy and Alito.

        • Ninja0980

          Rankings have him as more conservative then Alito, with only Thomas being worse.
          All are evil POS regardless.

          • Kelly Lape

            Thomas only needs someone to tell him how to vote.

          • Ninja0980

            My friend heard him give a lecture once.
            He’s no dummy, he’s simply a bitter right wing hack that should have been borked.

          • Lars Littlefield

            That’s a great idea. Send him to Iceland!

          • Texndoc

            I thought I saw an “expert” saying if he is confirmed that the most likely resignation (retirement) you’ll see is Thomas. They predicted Trump can possibly fill up to FOUR seats. But we knew that ahead of time didn’t we, anybody-but-Hillaries.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      So were Reagan and Thatcher.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Even if the Dems get nuked by the GOP, as long as they stand together and filibuster, I’ll respect the effort.

      i am so tired of so-called experts wanting Dems to do nothing and continue to play a game when the GOP set fire to the damn table.

  • TimCA

    Trump administration:

    The queers are next….soon, very soon.

  • boobert

    I thought trump got on him about his appearance ? That tie ! lol

    • Lazycrockett

      He’s not wearing a dark suit, OMG hes going rogue!!

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    … the Pit and the Pendulum.
    What a horror story!

  • Blake Jordan

    Probably because 99% of “the gays” did not worship Donnie for doing nothing (i.e. not undoing Pres. Obama’s EO protecting LGBTQ+s on the federal level)…
    So now he is going back to the homophobes that helped him steal the election!

  • Cuberly

    OT: Some good news, Chaffitz the Cave Troll withdrew his yard sale bill. The bill that he wrote purely as revenge against Obama.

    https://twitter.com/landarchmag/status/827220557804482560

    • Ninja0980

      He ticked off part of his base and that’s a no no.

      • Cuberly

        The GOP in UT tried to spin it. Thankfully it didn’t work.

    • Lazycrockett
      • Cuberly

        Fuck. But, it’s not a surprise really.

      • Bad news? I read this as an admission they didn’t have jack shit in terms of evidence of widespread anti-Drumpf voter fraud. So far, nearly every case found was some idiot voter trying to vote GOP multiple times because they’d stupidly been convinced it was easy to cast fraudulent ballots.

        • Chucktech

          But let’s ignore the smoking gun of Russian meddling.

          • bobbleobble

            It was never going to be properly looked into by any investigation set up by team Trump. It would have just come back with some guff saying that Trump is right and he actually did win the popular vote by millions because Democrats cheat.

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          Or it means that all the fraud they could find was done by Trump voters.

    • A lot of those federal lands are parks and wilderness reserves in otherwise poor-ish GOP-controlled states, often major sources of state tourism revenue, and hence even states like Arizona are like, “No, you will not strip-mine the Grand Canyon.”

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I remember hearing on NPR that a lot of hunters love to hunt in untouched wilderness and do not want to lose their access because of fracking and privatization. They actually have political lobbies.

  • If the infamous WBC can go out in public with signs that say “god hates fags” and spout out hatred about homosexuality under the reasons of religion and NOT go to jail, that ought to be a sign that your “religious liberties” are NOT being oppressed.

  • Circ09

    That Trump is going the EO route with this stuff is the interesting thing to me. He has the House and Senate. And the House would love nothing better than to pass a bill like this pronto. So why not wait and go the expected route through Congress?

    • 1. Impatience
      2. He’s power-mad now and wants to cement his role as America’s fascist dictator
      3. Congressional GOP is apparently clueless he’s making them irrelevant

      • Ninja0980

        That and some of them are already feeling the heat from the ACA repeal talk.
        They do this and many of the GOP in swing districts can kiss their seats goodbye next year.

        • Circ09

          Cuz standing by and letting a dictator take over Congressional responsibility looks so good? We have to make sure there is a reckoning instead of the last few weeks of letting them avoid all conversation.

          • Ninja0980

            Yup, I know the congressman in my district is getting plenty of phone calls and will continue to do so.
            And given we are a very swing district, he’ll be in deep shit if he continues to do nothing with Trump.

        • you assume voting will take place, and be fairly counted.

          i don’t.

  • Tom G

    Well this comes as a surprise…….

  • fuzzybits

    I want people screaming outside the White House day and night! Make these motherfuckers have to listen to how they’re trying to destroy this country and earth!

  • joe ho

    Another friendly reminder to punch out a green partier or a bernie-or-buster today.

    • Lazycrockett

      Between them and the nazis I’m gonna need an ice soak.

    • yep. keep people’s anger directed at the group that is responsible for all this. those poor, powerless, not elected far lefties who made this all happen, just like LGBT folk cause hurricanes!

      srsly, i’ve kept quiet about this for a while now but i’m sick of it. in fact, i’m going to start associating people who can’t let it go with Russians.

      now is the time to UNITE. it is not the time to bitch and moan over spilled milk, or lousy candidates who won’t fight for a victory they won by 3 million votes and more.

      what are you going to do today, about this mess? other than bitch about bernie supporters?

      • joe ho

        lol.

        i’m doing plenty.

        these green shitstains need to take responsibility for their self-destructive extremism.

        it’s irresponsible to let them off the hook.

        now take your medications, please before you embarrass yourself further.

        • srsly, fuck off. you’re the one stuck in the past, maybe you need some pills. “plenty”

          • joe ho

            lol.

            forgetting the past–the greens self-destructvie behavior in 2000– is exactly how we got trump.

            but self-destructive behavior is evidently something you relate to and try to rationalize away.

  • Lazycrockett

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/827190495210266628

    • fuzzybits

      Yea,right. Eye roll.

    • Boreal

      I think that is what they call a knot of toads.

      • Pilot Nozzle

        Or a Rat King.

    • DaddyRay

      Nixon tried to use that excuse

    • Gustav2

      Always notice Bannon is the only one who isn’t required to wear a tie.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        His hands are probably too shaky from DT’s in the morning to tie a tie.

      • Lazycrockett

        Cause he’s all “Hollywood”. smh

    • coram nobis

      They didn’t have a Russian translator.

    • Rick

      Which drawer in that desk has Bannon’s liquor?

    • pj

      piles mean don is working

  • Jack

    Nobody’s religion tells them “don’t hire homosexuals.”

    • Circ09

      Several do say to kill us though.

  • The Milkman

    It amazes me that anyone in the world is surprised by this. I recall people saying “oh don’t worry, he’s not really homophobic himself”. Riiiight.

    • Circ09

      Half my family is still telling me that as of last night!

    • honestly, i don’t think he is. he’s just an idiot who was born on third base and has been given everything, and so he thinks he’s really smart. he’s not. but he’s also not motivated enough by jeebus to be a real hater.

      he is lazy, otoh. “drafts being circulated” means other people are writing these proposals and handing them over to the staff. i doubt he’s even read it. a staffer told him to mention the Johnson amendment at the pray morning meal, and he did. he doesn’t even know what it is.

    • bobbleobble

      I honestly don’t think he is but I don’t think he’s pro gay either. I just don’t think he gives a damn about us one way or the other so it’s literally nothing to him to sign an EO taking away our rights.

    • Gigi

      Twinks For Trump assured us there was nothing to worry about.

    • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

      This has Putin written all over it.

  • coram nobis

    Also in today’s news, Donald Trump received further “input and ideas” from noted experts on religious freedom, including Tomas de Torquemada, Girolamo Savanarola and Samuel Sewall.

    • CB

      With special outreach to the ladies from St. Paul.

    • Robincho

      Anyone who thinks Frederick Douglass “has done a great job” is perfectly capable of having a chat with Torquemada…

      • coram nobis

        It’s the sort of PBS NewsHour riff I do frequently here, where Judy Woodruff hosts Richard III, J. Edgar Hoover and Marie-Antoinette. It’s a surreality show.

  • DaddyRay

    Spicer has proven himself to be a liar so why should we believe a thing he says

    • fuzzybits

      They’re all liars.

  • ericpayne

    Bill Clinton would issue an executive order, and the Republicans couldn’t get to a microphone fast enough to scream.

    GWB would issue an Executive Order, and if Democrats voiced their opposition, they were told the President is only “acting in the best interests of the country”

    Obama would issue an Executve Order, and the Republicans couldn’t get to a microphone, oe a courthouse, fast enough to scream “America is a democracy… separation of powers… Congress makes the law, not the President!”.

    DJT issues Executive Orders that are directly contradictory to both the Constitution of the United States, but settled law and the GOP is silent?

    In less than two weeks, we’ve become a fiefdom. With a “religious liberty” order, we become a theocracy. So what happens when two persons clash and both claim “religious liberty”? Do we then have courts of law making decisions about the validity of a litigant’s religion?

    • Two persons clash. One of them is a fundamentalist Christian. The other…isn’t.

      Guess who is supposed to win every time according to the Republicans?

      A theocracy doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s in service to one particular dominant religion, to the detriment and oppression of all others. This would, for example, also include progressive Christian sects as targets for discrimination, as well as all other systems of belief or non-belief.

  • fuzzybits

    Yes,religious liberty is at stake . That’s why when we came home the other day there was a JW pamphlet stuck in the door.

  • Lindoro Almaviva

    How quickly they forget… Go ahead and talk all you want. Remember that 10 years ago the idea of marriage equality was unthinkable, 20 years ago the idea of gays in the military was unthinkable, 30 years ago the idea of conversion therapy being labeled as ineffective and abuse was ridiculous, 40 years ago the idea of taking homosexuality off the mental disorder list was ludicrous, 50 years ago the idea of a gay man fighting back was risible… How quickly they forget…

    • Hue-Man

      50 years ago consensual sex between adult men was a criminal offense in Canada (repealed May, 1969)

  • Lars Littlefield

    The Religious Liberty folks are more accurately Religious Terrorists. It’s imperative we ensure they are always labeled as such. Call them the (Religious) Terrorists that they are and the subconscious of the country’s citizenry will register the message correctly. Now repeat after me: Not religious freedom. It’s Religious Terrorism.

    “Religious Terrorism is a fundamental threat to Freedom. It must be stopped. It will be stopped.”

    • djcoastermark

      I am all for now using the term Religious Terrorists. It will become part of my vocab.

  • well, if we had any doubt that Putin really hates us, that day is done.

    donnie is too stupid and lazy to bother with us. he’s from NYC, which also hates him, but you can’t be part of NYC and be an open anti-gay sort. it’s just not done there.

    in Pooty’s russia, otoh? you betcha! you can hate on some gays. i’m starting to have my doubts about him. i really don’t want to have to claim him as being on our team! but you know what they say about homophobia, intense, focused homophobia…

  • HZ81

    Here’s a big idea you can float around with your dumb-ass boss, Sean. Go fuck yourselves!

  • Tomcat

    Remind me again what party it was that wanted LESS GOVERNMENT CONTROL.

    • Circ09

      The do consider this to be less govt. control. They believe they should get to hate on and discriminate against anyone they want without pushback.

  • Tomcat

    The religious right is neither, RELIGIOUS or RIGHT.

    • djcoastermark

      Reminds me of a bumper sticker I had on my car back in ’91 that said, “The religious right is neither”

      • Jerry

        A campaign button I have from the late ’80’s or early ’90’s: “The Moral Majority is Neither”.

  • Robert Anthony
  • Gigi

    Religious Liberty = LGBT Persecution

  • Superman

    NOW is the time for Thiel to sit down with the President. Because we are certainly going to get a religious freedom executive order, and then a First Amendment Defense bill out of Congress for Trump’s signature, and damage control is the best we can do. We have got to have some input on the language of the order, and hopefully, also the bill. In Indiana, public opinion forced Pence to soften the first religious freedom bill he signed with an amendment specifically saying that it could not be used as a defense to discrimination against gay people. And that settled everybody down. If this forthcoming executive order, like the draft of it I saw, specifically gives the right to people who are religiously opposed to same sex marriage and premarital sex to deny us services, then we are going to see gays turned away from businesses nationwide by zealot Christians. We have to soften this language. And we have to use the Indiana model to specifically say the order can’t be used as a defense to discrimination against gay people.

  • Boreal

    Where have all the homocon trolls disappeared to?

    • Vista-Cruiser

      They’re at training sessions right now, where they’re learning how to herd the rest of us into gas chambers.

  • coram nobis

    It’s not about “religious liberty” generally. It’s about establishing, officially, one particular, sectarian religious dogma. Last session’s First Amendment Defense [sic] Act wording is a good example:

    H.R.2802 — 114th Congress (2015-2016)
    Prohibits the federal government from taking discriminatory action against a person on the basis that such person believes or acts in accordance with a religious belief or moral conviction that: (1) marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman, or (2) sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage.
    — Congressional Research Service summary

    I don’t remember this being a central tenet of the Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Druid or FSM canons. It’s certainly the opposite of, say, what’s believed by UU, UCC, or Reform congregations, among others.

    • Such a law ought to be found obviously and manifestly unconstitutional, in that is promotes one particular set of beliefs over others, to the detriment of those who do not believe in them.

      For at least two generations now, Republicans have stood against the idea that one the expression of one person’s religious beliefs are supposed to stop when they impact another person’s civil rights. And this is because they’ve deliberately muddied the line between “liberty” and “privilege.”

      • Hue-Man

        “Puritan States of America” as the first settlers intended!

  • Mark McGovern

    Hoping for a really really large turnout June 11…..

    • djcoastermark

      Hubs just booked us for 3 nights in DC for that weekend. Yep, we’ll be there.

      • Mark McGovern

        Awesome. We get there Friday.

  • j.martindale

    If they get to ignore laws protecting us from discrimination, do we get to ignore the laws that say we can’t club them with baseball bats?

    • moebym posted this

      Laws are for the little people.

    • Dirk Prophet

      I just can’t resist an opportunity to tell this true story.

      Many years ago, my cousin, Neil and his younger brother, Scott came to visit us in NOLA from AL. They went down to the Quarter for fun and adventure. There was some altercation between Neil and a gay gentleman. Neil challenged him and the man replied, “The only thing I like better than sucking cock is kicking redmeck ass.” And then he did.

  • Boreal
  • Rick

    Oh and there’s this little item to worry about: no more Johnson Act separating churches from political activities.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-religion-idUSKBN15H2M4

  • Blackfork

    Where did the pendulum start? Over the pit?

    • CB

      Nicely played.

  • Gil

    There’s no one on the Hill looking out for your interests. There’s no cavalry coming. So stop feeding the fist that punches you. Stop all non-essential purchases. Stop paying taxes. Stop paying with credit cards. Pull all discretionary funds from your accounts. Co-operate locally.

    • Friday

      I’m all for cooperating locally but bear in mind consumer prices are likely to go through the fricking roof as soon as any of these Trumpublican policies really hit. It might be wise for some to square themselves away for a while, stuff-wise, save resources for a long struggle, and all.

  • Cuberly

    OT: McCain must be feeling quite lonely right now.

    https://twitter.com/HunterDK/status/827250665160265728

    • Treant

      No, he doesn’t. It’s just lip service and everybody knows it–McCain doesn’t vote against Republican interests unless the press’ eyes are on him.

    • billbear1961

      Just incredible!

      How dare anyone apologize for that petty POS’s appalling behaviour?!

    • IamM

      The Rethugs spent eight years trying to undermine Obama’s international diplomacy. Now they have to try to clean up after the illiterate shitgibbons they helped to put into the White House.
      😂🤣

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      As much as I hate McCain for Palin and being a sourpuss Obama won, I’d actually applaud if he gave Trump the bird.

  • Rick

    Jesus, that tie. Please kill it. Kill it with fire!

    • Dirk Prophet

      Even jesus would curse it.

      • WhiteJesus

        It’s blasphemous.

    • Trump’s fat ass

      Spicer’s Joker look.

    • Sam_Handwich
      • Hue-Man
      • coram nobis

        A bit early for St. Patrick’s Day.

        Oh, fun fact. This upcoming Valentine’s Day will be the 88th anniversary.

        • boatboy_srq

          And for St. Paddy’s you’d expect tRump and Spicer to wear orange, at that.

      • Mike in Texas

        Have wide ties and fat Windsor knots become a thing? I haven’t worn a tie in so long I’m completely out of the loop.

        • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

          They’re not a thing outside shitgibbon’s empire. He’s issued a dress code, including how ties are to be worn.

          Women are to dress like ladies.

          I am not joking. I’ll post the link if I can find it again.

          I hope this stupid thing doesn’t escalate to sharp black uniforms designed by Hugo Boss. Bannon would look like an oil spill.

          EDIT: I just remembered something when I was in higher-end menwear management a few years back. There were guys who really wanted this look, with the tie knots the size of a hamburger and worn with spread collars and french cuffs. Usually they were overachieving banker douches in their 30s. One told me he wanted to look like he belonged to the Russian Mafia.

          And there you go, right there.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • TimCA

      Yeh but they will not be looking at any direct ties between Trump, his associates and Putin. This is a start though. Maxine Waters introduced legislation last week to probe direct ties between the administration and Putin. THIS we should be vociferously supporting.

      • TimCA

        “Today, Congresswoman Maxine Waters, Ranking Member of the House Financial Services Committee, introduced legislation demanding that congressional investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 election include a thorough review of any collusion between persons associated, formally or informally, with President Donald Trump and the Russian government. In a press conference announcing the legislation with other progressive Members of Congress, Congresswoman Waters delivered the following remarks:

        Like so many of you, we have been shaken by events that have occurred over the last 11 days since Donald Trump was inaugurated. We have been shaken by the lies, the deception, and the stunning level of incompetence.

        In just under two weeks, Donald Trump has unnerved our allies, challenged our values, and brought so much instability and chaos to our country. This chaos is sure to please at least one person – Vladimir Putin. For everyone Trump is quick to bully, from world leaders to gold star families, to disabled Americans, there seems to be one person on the world’s stage who can do no wrong in Trump’s eyes. A dictator and former KGB agent who armed Assad in Syria as he attacked innocent civilians appears to be the only man that Donald Trump will not disparage.

        Given the extensive ties between Russia and individuals associated with Trump, we cannot ignore the possibility that there may have been collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.

        Both during his campaign and since his election, Donald Trump has surrounded himself with people who have extensive ties to Vladimir Putin and the Russian government.”

        More at:

        https://waters.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/congresswoman-waters-introduces-legislation-urging-investigation

        • billbear1961

          She’s terrific!

          That is a beautifully worded, passionate statement, really first-rate!!

          THAT is the behaviour of a LEADER who believes in DEMOCRACY!!

          • TimCA

            I just now posted about this more extensively as an off topic comment under a more recent JMG thread. It’s really important we don’t allow this issue to be brushed aside or lost in all the other crap being simultaneously hurled at us currently

          • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

            Thank you so much.

    • billbear1961

      Sam, thanks so much for all the reports!

      You’re so fast.

      It takes me forever to lumber about the net looking for important news!

  • Halou

    Such contempt for the country, it’s institutions and it’s citizens. Apparently Executive Orders are like fucking confetti, you bring your own and you throw them at the president like you’re making it rain. Does Trump even read the damned things?

  • By “religious liberty” he means the freedom to act hatefully in the name of Jesus and oppress the downtrodden.

  • Well, we all know how Jesus felt about gays. Oh, wait. We don’t!

    Well, we all know how Jesus felt about self-righteousness.

    • Many of us don’t care what he felt about either.

      Live and let live. If a church or private (non-profit) enterprise wishes to set their standards of conduct, let them. A for-profit, public entity is another.

      So long as we’re not blurring the lines, I couldn’t give a shiite.

    • billbear1961
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Jesus was also against adultery and being uncharitable, so Trump is in way more trouble with Jesus.

  • EdA

    I guess this is Hair Furor’s response to the Log Cabin bleatings.

    • TimCA

      So glad we have such robust LGBT civil rights groups like Log Cabin Club defending (vigorously groveling for) our civil rights.

  • CB

    As long as every business is required to post a sign outside that says who it will not serve and let the market vote…
    If you’re going to make religion a determining factor of who you do business with, then you should have no qualms publishing and publicly proclaiming your position.

    • I agree completely. Save folks the humiliation of being turned away, and save the owner’s breath and time in having to explain their policies.

    • Charlie

      I couldn’t have said it better myself. I, for one, would never do business with a florist or baker that has a sign posted in their front window that LGBT people are not welcome. Why should I spend my money there? And why should straight people who support LGBT do business there either? Own your bigotry if you’re so proud of yourselves.

    • billbear1961

      “No Gays Allowed” signs should be SLAPPED on any business that discriminates, and they should be excoriated in all available media.

      Don’t LET them discriminate quietly, for Christ’s SAKE, which is what most of them want–make an ISSUE of it–a LOUD one!!

      MAKE NOISE when you’re discriminated against by these sanctimonious, two-faced BASTARDS!!

      It’s AD 2017!!

    • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

      Someone is right now building an online reboot of the Damron Guide.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      It’s like they think Yelp doesn’t exist. Do they really think they can keep their discrimination secret?

  • coram nobis

    Pendulum. Is there something phallic in that metaphor?

    • Acronym Jim

      I think so, but then, I, Todd, and another_steve could find something phallic in a Georgia O’Keeffe painting.

  • AdamTh

    “Anti-LGBT Order” or “Religious Liberty”

    Is there a real difference in the two?

    • EdA

      Yes. One is honest and the other is a blasphemous fraud.

      • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

        And both are legal and moral atrocities.

  • GayOldLady

    OH……You have us shaking in our boots at the thought of your religious beliefs trumping our civil rights. Y’all have never done that before, have you? So, what else is new?

  • FAEN

    How would this work in cities where the majority of businesses are pro gay?

    O/T-Hey LCR’s, still think your new savior is on your side?

  • AdamTh

    Did anyone go to YouTube to watch the clip? It’s on the “Trump TV Network” channel. I’m surprised they allow Thumbs UP/DOWN votes and comments. We’ll see how long that lasts..

  • dcurlee

    Is it just me or have the LCR gone undercover

    • Treant

      They’re curled up and rocking back and forth, wondering how Daddy could have touched them that way when they specifically said he never would.

      • dcurlee

        .😂

  • Michael

    Well at least we still have the big businesses on our side.

    – Famous Last Words.

  • IamM

    Where by ‘religious liberty’ they mean the exact opposite.

  • Mb

    I still don’t know how this would work legally. (Beyond the obvious Constitutional inconsistencies like equal protection under the law and how it will create a second class of citizenry). How do you define “sincerely held” religious beliefs in court? What is the litmus test for that? How do you separate the religious bigots from the garden variety bigots who are going to use this order to discriminate just because they hate The Gays? Of course the whole thing pitting civil rights of a minority vs. so-called religious rights is horrifyingly bigoted anyway but seriously how are they going to, in a court of law, distinguish between these two forms of bigotry?

    • Mike in Texas

      The definition of “exercise of religion” in last night’s leaked document includes things that are not central to, required by, or taught by religions. Essentially it permits bigots to make up bullshit and pretend it is “exercise of religion”

      • Mb

        I see. Thank you. I suspected it was something like that.

    • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

      Bigots are now respectable people.

      Religious beliefs are whatever you want to call them.

      This law applies only to christians.

      Any lawsuit filed against any business that rejects the LGBT community will be thrown out due to lack of merit.

      Fuck the Constitution.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Well now, this could prove interesting. What happens when a Jew refuses to serve a Christian? A Muslim refuses a Jew? A pagan refuses any monotheist? Seriously, it’s clear you haven’t thought this through. After all, religious freedom for one must be religious freedom for all. Oh, and while you’re at it, perhaps your should add a rider to the law that states: “Any business, organization or other entity recognized as having religious rights shall, for the purposes of clarity and public information, place a sign in full view of the public stating that they exercise religious freedoms for the purposes of discriminating against certain person or persons” It won’t happen of course, but it would be interesting to see how it would be dealt with if such a rider existed. Oh, they’re rather brave and bold when they pull a ‘gotcha’ while in the store, but how many would be willing to openly flaunt their BS?

    • Gianni

      It is already written into law (Civil Rights Law, 1964) that it is illegal to discriminate against anyone because of their religious affiliation. The Congress has consistently refused to add ‘Sexual Orientation’ as a protected category against discrimination.

    • Duck

      These people are continuously surprised that “religious” and “religion” mean any thing but evangelical christian. My guess is violence against the non-christian would ensue, whether at the hands of lawyers, government or more personally really depends on how far into theocratic jackbootery the US gets.

  • kaydenpat

    Calling Peter Thiel and Log Cabin Republicans: I thought y’all said that Trump was a friend to the LGBT community? What the hell is happening?

    • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

      Thiel’s moving to New Zealand, silly.

      Remember?

      • kaydenpat

        Yes I do!! Argh!

  • boobert
  • Hue-Man

    O/T From the Crime Doesn’t Pay file:

    The former Royal Canadian Mint employee who apparently used his rectum
    to smuggle 22 solid gold “pucks” out of the secure facility in Ottawa
    has been given a 30-month prison sentence and must pay a fine of
    $190,000.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/gold-smuggling-mint-sentencing-1.3961567

    • Earl

      But Jack swore that if I fertilized the magic golden beans with my butt, I’d turn into a golden goose.

      /s

  • Igby

    Anyone here live in Netherlands?

  • ultragreen

    When Republicans say they support ‘Religious Liberty,’ what they really mean is ‘Religious Tyranny.’

  • C Rubye Falsz

    So the Fundies will finally get to refuse service to murderers, adulterers, and liars? What about shellfish-eaters?

  • bmoore4026

    …he has a tiny face

    • Piona O.

      I’ve often said that all of these Repugnicants have something wrong with their faces. From Spicer’s face where all his features are pushed together in the middle of his face, to Trump, whose failings in personal appearance are obvious to everyone, to Kellyanne “Crack-Whore Barbie” Conway, to Steve “What The Hell’s Wrong With My Nose” Bannon

      • bmoore4026

        Don’t forget Ted Cruz’s cartoonish nose and what ever is up with Ann Coulter.

  • david fairfield

    Goddamn religious “freedom” and everyone who claims they have a right to OVERPOWER everyone around them.
    Where the fuck are our leaders????????????????????????

  • Brian in Valdosta

    Great. If that is the way that you fucktard bitches want to play this thing, then so be it. But I will simply start having my own “sincerely held religious beliefs” in which I discriminate against all of you.

    And there won’t be a goddamned motherfucking thing that anyone can do about it.

  • customartist

    Pendulum, pendulum, pendulum!

    What Spicer is saying here, on behalf of President Donald Trump, is completely focused on the rights and liberties OF THE UBER-RELIGIOUS in this country, AND NOT on the rights and liberties of the moderately and non-religious. This is crystal clear.

    The hyper-religious-right staffs circling around Trump have apparently convinced him that pandering to Christians will “make him look good”. He is hearing only their select opinions, maligning others – others which, to be sure, WILL be voting in 2018 and in 2020. Millions of marchers evidence this.

    Trump would do himself greatest justice to be listening to All voices. Don’t be so gullable Mr. Trump as to sign just any order that crosses your desk. Actions have consequences. The country is progressing. Think of your legacy.

  • JCF