Senate Panel Approves Betsy DeVos In 12-11 Vote

ABC News reports:

President Donald Trump’s nomination of Betsy DeVos to be education secretary was sent today to the full U.S. Senate for confirmation on a tight 12-11 party line vote in committee after a fractious debate over her qualifications.

The vote on the nomination of DeVos, a controversial figure in Michigan politics and education, raised hackles among Democrats in the Senate, who argued throughout a contentious hearing two weeks ago and today’s debate that she knows too little about federal education policy and would undermine public schools.

Republicans, in the majority in both the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee and the full Senate, defended her as being committed to children even if she has been a key supporter of school choice and vouchers — though two GOP members signaled that their votes in the committee today did not necessarily guarantee support on the Senate floor.

A vote for final confirmation in the Senate has not yet been scheduled. Immediately following the vote, Democrats moved to overturn the vote because a proxy vote in favor was made for U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, who was not in the committee room. A vote to overturn the vote was rejected after Hatch showed up in the committee room to effectively confirm the vote.

  • Sam_Handwich

    McConnell is whining about obstructionism to the press right now


    • David L. Caster

      That hypocrite can go to hell.

      • safari

        And his wattle, too.

        • Palmer

          His twatwaddle?

    • Lazycrockett
      • safari

        Makes me sad πŸ™

      • Philly Mike

        Put your head into your shell it will be alright.

    • kcken

      In the sense that they’re doing it poorly compared to him ?? lol

  • Butch

    Something that’s been bothering me lately – I’m seeing a lot of supposedly liberal sites signaling this “give up” message, that protest isn’t effective against Trump and he has the majorities and WASF because we’re powerless….I’m not sure what all I can do but I’m not giving up, even though the bad news never seems to stop. I actually made the first ever call to a senator today and wrote the third check of the year to the ACLU. Not much, perhaps, but not nothing.

    • Cackalaquiano

      Those phone calls are important.

      • safari

        They do tally.

    • David L. Caster

      What progressives need to be doing with their energy is organizing even more protests, energizing the progressive base, and registering new voters and helping them to vote. There should be two goals that progressives focus on: develop viable candidates for office at all levels of government and get people engaged enough to vote in the next round of elections, particularly the midterms but in their state elections as well.

      • Ninja0980

        They also need to stop imposing purity tests that are impossible to meet.
        With a few exceptions, having a Democrat in office will be better then any Republican.
        Our side needs to realize that ASAP if we want to make any headway.

        • David L. Caster

          The perfect must not be allowed to become the enemy of the good.

          • The_Wretched

            The doing something must become the enemy of throwing up our hands and saying “we can do nothing” or “I wrote donny a stern letter”.

        • The_Wretched

          …wth, it’s not enough that the DEMS fight a retreat action. That’s how you LOSE. They need to take the offensive and make facts on the ground to use as leverage. HOW? Go review the republican and teahadi’s effective crap they pulled the last 8 years.

          If they don’t lead, people won’t follow. That we only see single Dems (and without party support) going to and taking part in the various rallies is telling. They aren’t ready or able to use the support they could have.

    • DesertSun59

      Always carry a monkey wrench and use it.

    • NancyP

      Protests keep people aware. They may not be able to produce change in the short term, but they do make the average voter aware that this isn’t business as usual. These voters include the “why not try Trump?” types who aren’t ideologues. Plus, any protest invigorates the politically committed left and center.

      • Butch

        I wasn’t saying I agreed with that sentiment – I couldn’t be happier to see the protests. I just noted that i keep seeing that sentiment on liberal sites.

        • The_Wretched

          I wonder how much of the “give up” is rightwing plants sowing discord.

      • Todd20036

        If they empower our democratic leaders into standing up to Hair Furor, then the protests are worth something

    • Cousin Bleh

      What shitty sites are you visiting? I’ve seen nothing of the sort. I can barely keep up with all the marches I’m getting invited to.

      • Butch

        This isn’t the best example but it fell readily to hand and gets at what I’m saying, from No More Mr. Nice Blog:
        Eliot Cohen, who was in the State Department in the George W. Bush administration, predicts that the Trump administration will eventually “fail” because, among other things, “even the most timid senator sooner or later will say ‘enough.'” I don’t believe it. Members of Congress from both parties appear willing to let Trump walk all over them. Why would that ever change?

        • Cousin Bleh

          Oh, I thought you meant meaningful sites, not someone still hosted by Blogspot in 2017.

          • Butch

            Some of the sites are ones I would consider meaningful; that’s just a quick example I could grab quickly.

          • Cousin Bleh

            I hear ya. Like I said, I haven’t seen that type of thing myself, but I’m sure that sentiment is out there.

            Not on JoeMyGod though!

    • Brooklyn Joe

      It’s been bothering me as well – “it’s all over”, “democracy is dead”, “RIP America” etc. – it is pretty bleak and I am not Sally Sunshine – but giving up is not an option – we have to fight back – especially now – even when it seems the darkest – because it will be a lot harder a couple months or years from now to fight back. Only 10+ days in to Trump’s presidency – and he’s cause a lot of harm already – but we’ve had a lot of resistance as well. We have to turn the demonstrations into mid-term elections and getting on our Congressman and Senators backs

      • geoffalnutt

        It’s all bullshit. Ignore it.

        • Brooklyn Joe

          you’re right of course

      • The_Wretched

        It’s rightwing plants.

        • Brooklyn Joe

          never thought of that – you’re probably right

    • geoffalnutt

      The “give up” stuff is bullshit. Trolls. We’ll never, ever give up. They’re all going to have to get used to it!

    • Never. Never, ever, EVER, give up. That way death lay.

    • jsmukg

      in fact, there are several of those self-proclaimed prophets of doom just above you in this thread. concern trolling has never been more toxic.

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    “And look over here at the camera, Ms. DeVos; a bit more cheery if you could, please, think ‘school vouchers and conversion therapy,’— there we go, much better!”

  • Philly Mike

    I have started a cheer V-A-P-I-D what’s that spell “Vapid”
    R-E-P-I-G-L-I-C-A-N what’s that spell “Repiglican” put them together what do you have “Vapid GOP”

  • bobbyjoe

    You own this Republicans. Everything these creeps do is going to be tied around your ankles for generations to come.

    Meanwhile, what’s suddenly happening at these votes? Are the Democrats finally growing spines?

    • Scott Wyant

      Certainly, some Senate Democrats see the momentum gathering. From the rapid rise of the Indivisble movement to the Women’s March and the spontaneous airport protests, Democratic lawmakers are getting a sense of the support they have throughout this country.

      It’s going to be a long slog, but we can’t back off.

    • Brian

      Right. Unfortunately, it seems Democrats will have to nominate a friggin unicorn for some of these special bitches to be happy and get out there and vote. I am not sure who I am more disgusted with: People that voted for Turnip, or people who whined about not being motivated to vote for Clinton. Are you fucking motivated YET!?!

  • That_Looks_Delicious
    • My question is why didn’t those 5 senators recuse themselves from the selection process due to conflict of interest.

  • DaveDocSC

    This appointee above all, should be rejected. She is poison for our society.

  • Curieux Bleu

    Just another nail, she will be in the coffin of what America could have been, but will not now be nor probably ever be …. and that is to reach a just and equitable society, relatively enlightened, with “freedom for all”, including true justice for all, including minorities, women, blacks, hispanics, asians, LGBT, muslims and others including atheists as well. The new normal is the new THEOCRACY/OLIGARCHY atop a dumbed down nation (of the spineless, I suppose… hopefully not).

    As of democracy … that is pretty officially now dead, apart from a few pockets in a few blue states.

  • Sabazinus

    Well, time to look for a new career.

  • Supercubby

    What qualifications?

    • safari

      She gave the Michigan GOP $1.5M after they miraculously changed their minds and agreed to not hold charter schools in the state to the same regulatory standards as public schools?

  • Secure

    Abraham Lincoln: β€œOur progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that ‘all men are created equal.’ We now practically read it, ‘all men are created equal, except negroes.’ When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read, ‘all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.’ When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving libertyβ€”to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.” – August 24, 1855 in a letter to Joshua Speed.

  • Jon Doh

    She may be able to buy her way into the position of Education Secretary, but she will still be ugly as fuck on the inside and outside.

    • JaniceInToronto

      Doesn’t matter how ugly she is. She’s the Education Secretary now.

      What are you going to do about it?

  • JaniceInToronto

    Well, if you thought you had stupid people in your country you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. The fight for reason and logic is being lost quickly and badly.

    I just can’t figure out what you’re going to do to stop the madness. Trump has the power of the U.S. government behind him. Sadly, according to law, he won.

    Oops. Thanks Jill and Bernie.

    • DesertSun59

      Only a military coup will stop this now.

      • JaniceInToronto

        Sadly, I think you could be on to something.

        Problem, Evangelical Christianity seems to be rife in the U.S. military. Those are very difficult people to persuade that Trump is a disaster.

        This is not going to end well. I’m sorry for what you guys are going through. Sucks. In a bad way.

        • The_Wretched

          We know that the dominionists in the Bush the Lesser regime specifically targeted the military for purges.

          • JaniceInToronto

            Fuckin’ scary, eh?

          • The_Wretched

            I really hope I’m just being paranoid that all the changes we’re seeing are lining up for a state of martial law, to be followed by a ‘temporary’ suspension of the USCONST, to be followed by a theocracy.

            All of the changes we see that are attributable to Bannon are the necessary (but not yet sufficient) steps to that outcome.

          • JaniceInToronto

            How about a well-timed terrorist attack on U.S. soil?

            Hell, we had an American radicalized asshole take out 6 praying muslims, and Spicer was spinning it to try to support the travel ban. How do you think they would handle an actual attack? Goodbye Constitution…

            That would sure as hell throw a monkey wrench into the works.

        • M Jackson

          Maybe they can be persuaded when they’re sent to numerous new war fronts in the works by their tweeter-in-chief.

        • Todd20036

          I’m actually better off than most. No kids to leave in this mess, and I can retire in 8 years. Even if this county goes to shit, I can pack my bags and leave.

          And if things REALLY go to camps, I can leave immediately, and telework from out of the country.

          And I am still scared. And angry as fuck. We didn’t need to do this. But too many non-Nazis didn’t think Clinton was perfect enough.

      • Mark

        There is also a citizens coup. It will come with much blood…but it can be done.

  • Michael R
  • bambinoitaliano

    Mom! Dad! You have to buy these Amway soap detergent and vitamins from me. We no longer learn the 3 R’s, it’s now the 3 S’s and we are suppose to go door to door selling Amway products to the neighbors now. If dad drive me far enough, I could become a Diamond Distributor before i graduate from high school.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Coming soon to a school near you. (Yes, this is an actual page from a real Texas textbook)

    • safari

      Job creators?

    • Mark

      I’m sure they will add that the workers from Africa all paid their own way to relocate to the US.

      • Lazycrockett

        Traveling to the USA in simple luxury.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Really, it was kind of like winning a cruise holiday package in some ways.

      • Halou

        Nah. America in it’s infinite kindness paid their transit fees, black Americans should be grateful, dammit!

    • Michael R

      Next page : Hitler goes in to the lamp shade business

      • safari

        He wanted to make Germany great again.

    • Halou

      That can’t be real.

      • Todd20036

        Yeah, it’s real. Texas text books rewrite history so badly, no other state uses them

        • Halou

          All I can see is White House ‘advisers’ putting an Executive Order in front of Trump that mandates all states Texas-ize their education standards.

    • stuckinthewoods

      The weird thing about that text is that although 12.5 millions were brought from Africa only a tiny percentage (~ 400,000) actually came directly to North America. I’d have supposed these textbook fraudsters would highlight the actually much lower number of their “guest workers.”
      Most enslaved people were sold to the Caribbean and South America. The British North American colonies eventually produced two types of products, agricultural and human. Although the shipping interests of the North benefited from importation, and the Cotton States supplied a ready market for them, states like Virginia and Maryland stood in opposition to the Atlantic slave trade only because slaves became their big export to the Cotton States. The internal politics of that are hardly acknowledged today, the deadly rivalry between VA and SC and the Northern shipping interests. Using actual figures of only imported enslaved Africans could minimize slavery in America and frankly, I’m surprised they didn’t do that. Probably didn’t understand it enough to even do that.

      • PBGVNinja

        The largest number of African abductees went to Brazil to work on fazendas growing sugar cane, which eventually was refined into cane sugar and distilled into rum – both very lucrative exports to Europe. Sugar was extremely expensive in Europe until the sugar cane industry got going in the Americas. Prior to the 16th century honey was used in Europe as the primary sweetening agent. It was also used to make Mead – which is still very popular in the Baltics and in Russia (Myod’).

        • stuckinthewoods

          It’s horrifying to read the production methods of the different commodities. The European market had awoken to the products of the world, the “white things” which could be produced here, sugar, cotton, and rice, and tea from Asia. Sugar was produced by the Caribbean slavery “gang” system, the “first gang” of vigorous male and female slaves planted and mowed down the cane, followed by the second gang of less able people who aggregated it, followed by the third gang composed of children, the old and disabled who gleaned the field. It was lethal. Rice in SC was similarly lethal because of the swampy malarial snake infested location. Tobacco production, where it grew well, was less lethal. As the land was exhausted what was left to sell? Humans. Virginia and Maryland became dominant in the production of what were acknowledged as the finest slaves, and the wealthy slaveholders in those states politically defended their market. Almost from the beginning Virginia petitioned Britain to stop the slave trade, directly opposing British and New England interests (and SC), but not for humanitarian reasons. VA and MD had humans to sell.
          I find it interesting that today the marketing mottoes here in Virginia are “Virginia is for Lovers” and for Virginia products, “We Have it Made in Virginia.”

    • fuzzybits

      Oh fuck.

    • ZRAinSWVA

      It’s not even f**king grammatically correct. Beyond sad…

  • AtticusP
  • Ninja0980

    Betsy Devos would have been nominated under any Republican president.
    Their goal is to destroy public education and you can’t get a better pick then this vile witch.

    • damn!! and you were doing so well, too.

    • Michael R

      More fun with FASCISM :

      You fear and demonize intelligent people who have a higher education because they are the ones who can thwart your effort to brainwash people. You then attempt to prevent others from achieving a higher education because you want the people as ignorant as possible so you can convince them that your way is the right way.

      • Robincho

        Dumb America Down, Alot !!!

  • Mark

    Hello Intelligent Design. Goodbye Evolution
    Hello Religion. Goodbye Science.

    And when that meteor is bearing down on us, all them religiously affiliated charter school ‘gradiets’ will drop to their knees and pray.

    • CB

      Hello darkness, my old friend…

    • Ninja0980

      And hello to more overseas workers taking American jobs.

    • Friday

      If they even know it’s coming.

  • DesertSun59

    There goes the public education system. Once she starts to dismantle it the entire education system will be in chaos. She will go down in history as the cause.

    • Mark

      I don’t know. She may find the teacher’s unions have a lot of support…..

  • Bryan

    But golly, she sure has a nice smile.

  • Ninja0980

    One more thing, as I’ve said before, if the nuclear option hadn’t been done, it’s possible she would have been blocked.
    1) Democrats don’t show spines so why would they here and 2) It had to be done to fill the courts with some judges who will respect the law.

  • JWC

    well there goes a cell of under educated kids for the next 4 years

    • JAX

      Try 10 years.
      The vestiges of policies enacted under administrations take nearly a decade to eliminate.

      • JWC

        I suppose

  • Sam_Handwich

    has anyone seen a whip count?

    Joe Donnelly says he’s voting no. Any other republicans?

    • Cousin Bleh

      I believe we need 3.

      EDIT: Wait, Donnelly is a Dem? If all Democrats aren’t a sure vote no, we are well and truly fucked.

      We need all Dems and 3 Republicans.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      I’m hoping at the very least that Sessions can be blocked, if not Carson or De Vos. We’re already into constitutional crisis territory after just one week, so I’m hoping that at least a few of the Republicans realize that the Attorney General position is critical if we are to remain a nation of laws with three balanced branches of government.

  • Michael R

    If she can get confirmed then it’s hopeless , except that they will
    all be exposed as idiots in time , but what a waste .

  • GeneInSJ

    So, being rich, white and well-connected is all you need to get a high-ranking government job…

    • Brooklyn Joe

      hasn’t that always been the criteria

    • Jon Doh

      Watch for her in 2020. She’s about as qualified to be President as she is Education Secretary, and the bar has been set pretty low.

  • M Jackson

    Now schoolchildren can spend the next 4 years trying to find The Rapture in their textbook bibles — because the end is closer than we knew.

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci
  • Henry Auvil

    Great! Now parents can have more “choice”. And The Blacks in the “inner city” can now “choose” to send their kids to Horace Mann and Dalton. Right?

  • Brooklyn Joe

    Is there any possibility that she won’t make it in the full vote in the Congress?

    • The_Wretched

      she’s very likely to get the votes for the office from the floor

    • Cousin Bleh

      Do you think there are 3 Republicans with morals?

      • Treant

        No. I’m not sure there are 3 Dems who won’t step over the line, point in fact. And I have a very close eye on both Independents.

      • Brooklyn Joe

        well if Lindsey belle and McCain can be swung and perhaps Susan Collins – though I’m not optimistic – they may be holding their big guns for Sec’y of State or higher fruit on the bough

        • Cousin Bleh

          Murkowski claims she’s not a firm yes.

  • PickyPecker
    • Todd20036

      This is going to set back education long after Trump is gone, assuming we still have a functioning country

      • BlindBill

        once public funding of religious schools is a done deal, the religious organizations can milk taxpayers for all they want, school taxes will skyrocket for home owners
        middle class people will flee the urban areas completely and religious sponsored school will be the only option for city kids – effectively busting the teacher’s union and much of governmental oversight of education

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  • Anastasia Beaverhousen
  • vernacular100

    The future of education…we wish!

  • PickyPecker
    • Earl

      I thought the USA was a Republic?

      Didn’t you ditch monarchism?

      • safari

        West Michigan Dutch. They are not fun people.

    • Lazycrockett

      Fuck That.

    • Snarkaholic

      What did God say about rich people who think they’re going to heaven?

  • Mark

    xtian xunt

  • Paula


  • Ninja0980

    O/T but homocon Guy Benson is just slobbering over Neal Gorsuch, a man who basically said same sex couples need to win equality at the ballot box or move to blue states.
    Fuck both of these worthless pieces of shit.

  • Halou

    The U.S. ranks 14th in education
    The U.S. ranks 2nd in ignorance

    The U.S. ranks 24th in literacy
    The U.S. ranks 17th in educational performance
    The U.S. ranks 23rd in PISA science score
    The U.S. ranks 54th in education expenditures
    The U.S. ranks 72nd in girls going to grade school
    The U.S. ranks 85th in boys going to grade school
    The U.S. ranks 15th in tertiary graduation rates
    The U.S. ranks 18th in reading
    The U.S. ranks 31st in highest female math scores

    The U.S. ranks 1st in foreign students

  • Treant

    As expected. This, along with Sessions, are the two that really aren’t arguable in terms of being unqualified and downright evil.

  • AlexInIdaho

    No offense to the folks here who are doing a heroic job in the public schools (thank you!), but if I had kids, I’d do what many of my co-workers did and send them to non-sectarian, private schools with the international baccalaureate program, even if it meant eating PB and J twice a day.

    • PickyPecker

      And I would support your decision to do so but only if you are not given any sort of ‘funds’ back from your taxes……those should be used to fund public education. Private schools – great. But on the parents’ dime, not the taxpayer.

      • AlexInIdaho

        That’s why I’d be eating PB and J!

      • AlexInIdaho

        Also, there’s a PUBLIC school in Boise with that curriculum.

  • Eric Lewis

    $200 million dollars in campaign contributions can buy a unqualified dilettante the ability to destroy the future of Americans children all in the name of baby Jesus. WTF?

    • Halou

      Once they start inserting their religious dogma into the country’s education curriculum, how soon do you think it will be before they start talking trash about home schooling? That nobody can refuse education under a federally mandated curriculum in federally funded schools.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Welcome to Freedom!

  • david fairfield

    So, this really is (not that I had doubt, but others around me did) about doing what trump wants, because any SANE, RATIONAL, GROUNDED IN REALITY person can see that she is the LEAST qualified candidate for the position of education secretary. She deferred everything she could not answer, and the questions she chose to answer were riddled with absolute stupidity and ignorance. They want her because $$$$ and the EXTREME BIGOTRY she has demonstrated toward the lgbt community. Everyone with a grizzly bear please keep him tied up in the backyard, she has given express permission for their execution.

  • Time to abandon the Democrat party and throw our support behind those who will create a real opposition and are not beholden to lobbyists and corporations.

    • fuzzybits

      And much new blood is needed.

    • Friday

      Or, resist and actualy build such a thing, instead of surrendering and bitching?

    • Etranger

      Why do we have to abandon the Democratic party as a result of this vote?! The Democrats opposed DeVos…

      • They’re a worthless opposition team.

        • Etranger

          How so? What else could they do? Your new opposition party would have had the same success.

  • fuzzybits
  • Lars Littlefield

    And they didn’t even make her take a cursory spelling and remedial math test? Unbelievable.

  • TheManicMechanic

    This hateful, willfully ignorant, smarmy coont.

  • HZ81

    Goodbye public education. Hello, publick edukashon.

    Thanks, Trumpers.

  • Gerry Fisher

    I don’t understand why the Dems didn’t “go to the mat”–use stalling tactics on this one–she’s really horrible.

  • boobert

    Say goodbye to public education and teachers union !

  • NancyP

    We the people need to have a website to list and coordinate anti-Trump actions. Maybe the ACLU could host such a site?

    • Tor

      A friend just emailed this link. I haven’t had a chance to check it yet, but I trust her judgment.

  • DoctorDJ

    It’ll be interesting to see her response when the local madras gets in line with the all the other christian schools for their handout.

  • Matt

    Party lines. Surprise, surprise. She’ll get approved along the same lines also because the GOP are nothing but spineless bastards who couldn’t give two sh**s about public education.

    • Piona O.

      Matt, they DO give two shits..the GOP’s goal is to destroy the American school system, which was once one of the greatest wonders of the world…that’s what they care about, and DeVos has been put in charge of the destruction of public school in favor of vouchers for religious schools.

  • HerrKirsch

    poor kids

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    And with that, America’s children suddenly went from so-so in the world standings to the bottom. I feel so bad for not only the kids, but the parents who will now have to deal with the fuckery of vouchers and fake-god knows what else.

  • KilgoreCarp

    Great news.

  • Spudman
    • Lumpy Gaga

      She’s feelin’ the Joementum in that thumbnail.

  • Piona O.

    there goes the american public school system

  • SDG

    Well, ‘murica is going to get a whole lot dumber… is that even possible?

  • Snarkaholic

    She’s only 59???

  • Roger

    My sister is a professor at a very prominent university. She flunks, flunks, flunks any of her students who plagiarize. It’s easy for her to do because she checks on the Internet and it is not hard for her to find the pirated source. Use other sources all you want, but give the credit due and not claim it as an original thought. Betsy de Vos has failed miserably in this manner.