REPORT: Anti-LGBT Executive Order Is Coming Soon

LGBTQ Nation reports:

An executive order from President Donald Trump opening up discrimination against the LGBTQ community on the basis of religious belief is expected sometime this week, possibly as soon as today. Several sources spoke with LGBTQ Nation on the condition of anonymity who have told us that the order will allow for discrimination in a number of areas, including employment, social services, business, and adoption.

From what we’ve heard, the executive order could be far-reaching, and could include: making taxpayer funds available for discrimination against LGBTQ people in social services; allow federally funded adoption agencies to discriminate against LGBTQ parents; eliminate non-discrimination protections in order to make it possible to fire federal employers and contractors based on their sexual orientation or gender identity; and allow federal employees to refuse to serve people based on the belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman, and that gender is an immutable characteristic set at birth, which would impact a broad range of federal benefits.

RELATED: Trump has vowed to sign the so-called First Amendment Defense Act, which would legalize anti-LGBT business discrimination nationwide. GOP Rep. Raul Labrador is due to refile the bill in the US House this week. Sen. Ted Cruz was a co-sponsor of the Senate version last year.

UPDATE: This just happened during Sean Spicer’s presser.


UPDATE II: The Washington Post has confirmed that a draft version of the order exists.

UPDATE III: The Washington Post further reports that “details of the order remain in flux” and that it’s not yet certain that Trump will issue it.

UPDATE IV: Last last night the New York Times reported that Trump will at least keep Obama’s executive order protecting employees of federal contractors from anti-LGBT discrimination. It’s not yet known if the issues mentioned above (adoption rights and so-called religious liberty) will be addressed by Trump with his own executive order.

  • Hunter M
  • DrRobY

    Here it comes. So can someone tell me how Clinton and Trump were essentially the same?

    • JWC

      her e-mails

      • Acronym Jim

        Those aren’t the same. Clinton’s emails were on a private secure server that was never hacked. Trump’s emails are on the previously hacked RNC email server.

        • JWC

          That was just a snarly reply to those who voted for trump

          • Acronym Jim

            I know, but I thought it was worth pointing out anyway.

    • Bill_Perdue

      One is a rebranded bigot and one is just a bigot.

    • UrsusArctos

      Beeeetttllleeeejjjjuuuiiccceeee!

  • Todd20036

    Now, can we start worrying about concentration camps? For Real?

    Hey Perdue, you worthless motherfucker, still think Hillary Clinton is no different than Trump?

    • JWC

      maybe we get to build his wall

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      You haven’t already started worrying?

      • Todd20036

        A lot of people accused me of being “chicken little”. Not those words, but you get the idea.

        • Mike_in_the_Tundra

          Yes, I understand.

        • Bill_Perdue

          They were correct. You are hysterical. “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. “HL Mencken
          .

          • Texpat

            You literally just described the Trump campaign and administration.

          • Bill_Perdue

            True, but it’s just more proof that Democrats are the same as Republicans.

        • Kim K’s Kute Koochy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Remember, I was 1 of the few agreed with you when this was 1st mentioned.

          President Bannon famously said he wanted to follow Lenin bringing everything down, one of the few quotes he ever tried to walk back. Lennin wasn’t too fond of the gays.

          • Craig Howell

            Or anybody else, for that matter. He was a ruthless tyrant. Robert Bolt, author of the play “A Man for All Seasons,” was a great admirer of Lenin. One reason why I couldn’t take him too seriously.

          • Kim K’s Kute Koochy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I think WE all should take Orange Toilet very seriously. He’s insane,totally under Bannon’s thump & has absolutely nothing to lose but everything to gain!

          • Raising_Rlyeh

            Homosexuality was decriminalized under Lenin, then Stalin recriminalized.

    • Acronym Jim

      I’ll save him the trouble of responding to your comment.

      “Blah, blah, you’re a racist. Blah blah, you’re a McCarthyist. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah…”

      *copy/paste*copy/paste*copy/paste*

      • Todd20036

        Thanks. I blocked him, but I figure you pretty much summed him up nicely

        • Bill_Perdue
          • Mark

            Well, I’m going to block you cuz I just ain’t in the fucking mood to have you go on and on with your self-righteous, all-knowing blathering. You’re all mouth. I;ll bet your ass hasn’t moved in years.

          • Bill_Perdue

            That’s OK, facts can be unsettling.

          • Statistics Palin

            Die of polonium poisoning, Red Quisling.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Poor little Hilbot quisling is upset.

        • Acronym Jim

          “This user is blocked” is posting a shitload on this thread but for some reason, all it is posting is its name. 😉

      • zhera
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      • madknits

        Don’t forget being true to the Socialist party line.
        More blah, blah, blah, bullshit.

        • Bill_Perdue

          …. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/12984d7b420aea38af2eb4a3043d5cdf24f981d252a7dd53be6abd6222cff5a2.png
          But Democrats always run the other way when ENDA has a chance in hell of being enacted.

          • madknits

            I do admire your purity and one track mind.
            It’s exceedingly tiresome, boring and totally lacking nuance, of course, but it’s admirable.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Opposition to the kind of bigot enabling promoted by you and Todd is admirable.

          • madknits

            I don’t oppose you. You just bore me.
            Johnny One Note. Dull as plain chant, la-la-la, always on the same note.

          • Bill_Perdue

            There are those who find opposition to rightwingers boring. Leftists don’t.

          • Gest2016

            I heard he had a stroke.

        • Dazzer

          Hey, don’t ever let him fool you into thinking he’s a ‘socialist’.

          He claims to be a Trotskyite, but has little understanding of the nuances of Trotskyist thought.

          His behaviour is that of a Stalinist (supposedly the exact opposite of a Trotskyist) and he claims to be a Workerist, but doesn’t support all Workers – merely the ones who agree with him.

          In political terms, he’s all over the place. He’s as ‘Socialist’ as my dog is (which is to say he sits on his backside expecting everyone else to feed him and barking at strangers).

        • Ernest Endevor

          American Socialists were traditionally anti-gay. The American Communist Party expelled men who were thought to be gay.

      • Frostbite

        Block is the best feature Disqus implemented. I make liberal use of it on trolls.

        • WitlessProtection

          I see what you did there…

          • Frostbite

            Hey, it lowered my blood pressure 50 points!

        • FloBear

          I just blocked my first troll. Fun!

        • Man_in_the_mists

          It’s nice, but Killfile is still useful. That at least keeps the name of whoever you blocked.

      • GayOldLady

        I blocked that ratfucker (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratfucking) long ago along with someone who would always come to his defense. He’s as transparent as glass and not worth the time spent on him.

        • Bill_Perdue

          Says another lover of bigots like H Clinton.

        • Cattleya1

          I just blocked him – he is my first!

          • Ken Berry

            Me, too! Feels SOOOOO good…

      • Guest

        Sorry Jim. You forgot at least 3 more copy and pasted items there.

        • Acronym Jim

          Apologies. My fingers were fatigued from all the “blah, blahs.”

    • TheSeer

      Jill Stein thinks that Hillary Clinton is different. Worse than Trump.

      • Gene

        yeah…but, any sane person loathes that bitch at LEAST as much as Trump. As an at least Pseudo progressive (in reality a Putin pal who makes a nice living running for office) she should KNOW better, and know that all she does is hurt people like us

        • So… you reckon Clinton would have launched a bloodbath from her first day in office, rather than Trump’s fascist coup?

          You should KNOW better, and you know talking such hateful bilge hurts people like you.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            I think gene was referring to jill stein

          • anarchic teapot is confused, needs to work on reading comprehension. Obviously Hillary Clinton is not the person described as “a Putin pal who makes a nice living running for office”.

    • KnownDonorDad

      I interviewed Holocaust survivors. I saw the numbers. Never again. Whatever I can do if it comes to that, NEVER AGAIN.

    • JT

      “Worthless motherfucker” is too good for His Travesty Perdouche.

      • Bill_Perdue

        Why do you Democrats flat out refuse to pass ENDA every time it has a chance of being enacted?

        • JT

          Trumpanzee Perdouche, you are vile, contemptible, lying, cowardly Nazi collaborator scum and you know it. Your hypocritical anti-war bullshit has got you Mad Dog Mattis and your Nazi lord and master, “we have nukes to use them” Drumpf, to endanger the world. Your hypocritical faux pro-worker bullshit and mindless false equivalences have got you the American Hitler as your overlord. Your treachery will never be forgotten.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Never try to reason with hysterical trolls like JT who can’t and won’t stop channeling Roy Cohn, Trump’s bestie, (except for JT itself).

          • JT

            Trumpanzee Perdouche, you are vile, contemptible, lying, cowardly Nazi collaborator scum and you know it. Your hypocritical anti-war bullshit has got you Mad Dog Mattis and your Nazi lord and master, “we have nukes to use them” Drumpf, to endanger the world. Your hypocritical faux pro-worker bullshit and mindless false equivalences have got you the American Hitler as your overlord. Your treachery will never be forgotten.

          • pj

            blocked and bye asshole

          • Bill_Perdue

            You and your opinions are as irrelevant as those of your Republican brothers and sisters, piggy. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/28488141c16e4ad954b1f7dc3ca847d88cd9cce45c0cb33887b3d8dd9c907d21.png

          • Gest2016

            I recommend blocking him, he isn’t worth the time of day. So happy I never have to see his meanspirited and pedantic posts ever again.

          • JT

            Thanks. But I’ll continue to battle his supreme ignorance and stupidity.

          • Bill_Perdue

            You and your opinions are as irrelevant as those of your Republican brothers and sisters, piglet.

        • James Pitcher

          it is always someones fault, other than their own. Ya right the party of personal responsibility just elected a draft dodger who doesn’t pay taxes. Good job, keep believing your force feed bullshit

          • Bill_Perdue

            Not always. The lack of ENDA is the fault of Democrats. Only people who’ve been off planet for a few decades think otherwise.

          • Oh, Parker

            Just ignore the insufferable idiot. He lives to cause trouble and draw attention to himself, i.e. troll.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Democrats are trolls, leftists aren’t.

    • zhera

      And Log Cabin can go fuck themselves with cactii.

      • scottrose

        Unless they enjoy that, in which case the offer is withdrawn.

    • Dk6

      I don’t know how to sew, plus pink triangles clash with everything
      from To Be or Not to Be (Mel Brooks)
      [Sasha puts on his coat to go out]
      Anna Bronski: What’s that on your coat?
      Sasha: Oh, it’s the newest fashion in occupied Warsaw. Jews wear yellow stars, homosexuals wear pink triangles.
      Anna Bronski: Sasha! How awful for you!
      Sasha: [quietly] I hate it.
      Anna Bronski: Now listen, they’re rounding up Jews. Are they rounding up…?
      Sasha: No, no, so far, so good. Now, don’t wait up for me. I’ve got a hot date with another triangle.

    • zhera

      PS. Might as well start organizing the protest for the weekend. Writing signs, coming up with new chants, etc.

      It’ll be a weekly sight for who knows how long. Every week they’re fucking over a new group.

      • pepón

        “It wouldn’t surprise me if the goal is to create “resistance fatigue,”
        to get Americans to the point where they’re more likely to say “Oh, another protest? Don’t you guys ever stop?” relatively quickly.”

        Yonatan Zunger, “Trial Balloon for a Coup?

      • Frostbite

        So many topics I’m not sure which one to protest!

        • Bj Lincoln

          As many as you can.

          • Frostbite

            I’m just going to carry around one of those LED signs with rotating messsges. Eaiser to protest all the current topics and add new ones as fast as Trump spits them out!

        • Bill_Perdue

          Start with the Democrats refusal to pass ENDA.

          • Kim K’s Kute Koochy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            your cut & paste game is getting old

          • Bill_Perdue

            You and your opinions are as irrelevant as those of your Republican brothers and sisters, loser.

          • Kim K’s Kute Koochy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            LOL you think I’m a Republicunt. what a loser!

          • Bill_Perdue

            Democrats are just Republicans in disguise.

          • Kim K’s Kute Koochy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            and you’re a piece of sh1t disguised as a piece of crap

          • Bill_Perdue

            You’re just a Republican in disguise, but you need to work on your disguise. Its’ wearing thing, piglet.

    • Bill_Perdue

      Why do you Democrats flat out refuse to pass ENDA every time it has a chance of being enacted. What’s wrong with you? I know you oppose ENDA but that’s becasue you’re a millionaire and can buy your way out of discrimination.

      And yes, she is not particularly different than Trump.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1-r1YgK9I

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkK2_6H9MM

      • Caliban M

        The difference is that Hillary is capable of learning and growth, unlike the trumpenfuhrer

        • scottrose

          Another difference is that Hillary had already evolved to full-throated support of LGBT rights and didn’t have Pence as her VP pick — hello?

      • “And yes, she is not particularly different than Trump.”

        Focusing on one point of similarity between two things (and here, one that isn’t even current) while ignoring thousands of others is the path to low IQ scores and other cognitive failures.

    • Clive Johnson
      • John30013

        I’d like to know what he means by that.

    • StSean

      i will find his daughter, rape her and buy her from her dad to marry as god commands (deuteronomy 22:28-29). #religiousfreedom

    • scottrose
  • JWC

    Just keep Pissing us off one at a time. A new Group daily Donnybe very careful poking beehives

  • Sashineb
    • Mark Née Fuzz

      If this bitch wants to emulate Eva Braun, let’s hope she follows through to the historical conclusion. And Cheeto Hitler as well.

    • KnownDonorDad

      The image used from this photoshop is worth viewing in context.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdqaZNfs1mk

    • MonochromeMouse

      People who act like Nazis should expect to face the same fate the Nazis did.

    • Pete

      From her high school yearbook.

    • Steverino

      Shorter Hellyanne on TV after this EO is signed: “oh, but yes (Chris/George/Chuck), it does protect gays- it protects them from being thrown off of buildings like in ISIS-controlled Muslim countries!”

  • Secure

    Disgusting.

  • OdieDenCO

    bring it donny! the ACLU raised $24M in 2 days over your last EO. Let’s see how fast ACLU donations top $300m after a FADA EO is signed.

    see you in court!

    • Butch

      I sent my third check of the year today to the ACLU. I would also like to start giving to one of the LGBT organizations but not HRC. Who’s worthy, in your opinion?

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        I changed my donations to the ACLU to monthly deductions. I can’t support HRC.

      • OdieDenCO

        I think global but act local. I donate regularly to project angel heart. they supply meals to shut ins predominately LGBT but anyone can apply.

      • Jake Stevens
        • Lars Littlefield

          Most definitely Lambda Legal.

          • Butch

            I copied down the web address. Will do. Thank you!

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            It takes less than two minutes.

      • Steve Teeter

        How about Lambda Legal? They’re on the front lines of the litigation approach.

      • REODELL

        Lambda Legal and the Southern Poverty Law Center get my money regularly.

      • Joe in PA

        NCLR (National Center for Lesbian Rights). They do great work.

      • UrsusArctos

        Think local. Some local group working with kids will need more help than ever. I survived the “Anita Bryant” years because of elder gays looking out for me. These kids don’t have the same inner resources because they grew up in a more tolerant time. They will NEED us.

  • kcken

    Complete pandering to the small right wing … I wonder how long this will last before we get a court date.

  • Cousin Bleh

    This is fucking awful. But on the other hand, I can’t wait to post this all over the Facebook pages of relatives who are Trump supporters and tell them to kiss my hairy gay ass.

  • HZ81

    Come for me, Donald and the white supremacist crowd. I’m ready and waiting to show you a new definition of gay bashing. I’d love it. I’d love it.

  • Lazycrockett

    “Let’s Roll.”

  • GeneInSJ

    I wondered when they’d get around to us.

    • KnownDonorDad

      I’m shocked he more or less targeted us scientists before you guys. Well, time to get ready for another massive protest….

      • ElenorRigby

        IIke he cares.

        • KnownDonorDad

          I’m aiming for the people who vote in the midterms.

    • Nowhereman

      I’m surprised it took so long. Hating us is their main reason for living.

    • Stogiebear

      Week 2

  • Fuck… The shitstorm never ends.

    • Elagabalus

      Shit storm? This is a shit tornado!

      • Snarkaholic

        A Tshitnami!

    • Todd20036

      If by never ends, you mean, is getting even worse, then I agree

  • PickyPecker
  • glass
    • Acronym Jim

      A kucking funt.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        A cucking funt.

    • JT

      The unkleinest kunt of all.

  • Acronym Jim

    But…but…Trump held up a rainbow flag at a campaign event.

    Of course, the fact that he was holding it upside down was foreshadowing…but still.

  • PickyPecker
  • Michael R
  • joe ho

    friendly reminder to punch a green partier and a bernie buster today.

  • Steverino

    Log Cabin Republicans, this one is for you.

    • Nowhereman

      I hope they’re the first ones to get rounded up.

    • geoffalnutt

      Will they have a separate ares in the camps? Good. I didn’t think so either.

  • Lars Littlefield

    Pissed enough to do anything about it?

    Here is some sound advice for making the biggest difference (the text below is from a high-level staffer for a Senator). Please join me!!

    –> You should NOT be bothering with online petitions, letters or emailing. These methods are not effective and are often ignored.

    You should make 6 calls a day: 2 each (DC office and your local office) to your 2 Senators & your 1 Representative.

    A) When calling the DC office, ask for the Staff member in charge of whatever you’re calling about (“Hi, I’d like to speak with the staffer in charge of Healthcare, please”) – local offices won’t always have specific ones, but they might. If you get transferred to that person, awesome. If you don’t, that’s ok – ask for their name, and then just keep talking to whoever answered the phone. Don’t leave a message (unless the office doesn’t pick up at all – then you can…but it’s better to talk to the staffer who first answered than leave a message for the specific staffer in charge of your topic).

    B) Give them your zip code. They won’t always ask for it, but make sure you give it to them, so they can mark it down. Extra points if you live in a zip code that traditionally votes for them, since they’ll want to make sure they get/keep your vote.

    C) If you can make it personal, make it personal. “I voted for you in the last election and I’m worried/happy/whatever” or “I’m a teacher, and I am appalled by Betsy DeVos,” or “as a single mother” or “as a white, middle class woman,” or whatever.

    D) Pick 1-2 specific things per day to focus on. Don’t go down a whole list – they’re figuring out what 1-2 topics to mark you down for on their lists. So, focus on 1-2 per day. Ideally something that will be voted on/taken up in the next few days, but it doesn’t really matter – even if there’s not a vote coming up in the next week, call anyway. It’s important that they just keep getting calls.

    E) Be clear on what you want – “I’m disappointed that the Senator…” or “I want to thank the Senator for their vote on…” or “I want the Senator to know that voting in _____ way is the wrong decision for our state because…” Don’t leave any ambiguity.

    From experience since the election: If you hate being on the phone & feel awkward (which is a lot of people) don’t worry about it – there are a bunch of scripts (Indivisible has some, there are lots of others floating around these day). After a few days of calling, it starts to feel a lot more natural.

    **If you want to share this, please copy and paste so it goes beyond our mutual friends.**

    • gaymex1

      Very good advice. First, another check to ACLU and then the phone calls from my last stateside residence.

      • Lars Littlefield

        “Yes. But first, Chichi!”

    • Joe in PA

      Thank you.

      • Lars Littlefield

        I only hope some people actually follow up on it. I have to send letters to friends in other states with their return addresses to get the attention of their reps. People like Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, won’t pay attention to mail unless it’s from a Utah zip code.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Kate

      Let’s wait until there’s an actual order before getting all riled up about it. There’s been a lot of fake news this presidency, and it’s only going to continue.

      • Lazycrockett

        If you want to wait till there is a boot on your throat that’s your business.

        • Todd20036

          There’s a reason I blocked that bitch. Her apathy is going to get us killed.

          • JT

            It’s a Trumpanzee troll.

          • TSS

            Apathy? To me, voting for Trump doesn’t count as apathy.

          • Nowhereman

            The two main reasons to vote for Trump were ignorance and hate. There’s a lot of overlap.

          • Bill_Perdue

            misogynist pig

          • jsmukg

            no, no, that sociopathic bitch has nothing to do with apathy.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Shes a britebutt troll.

          • Stogiebear

            She’s not apathetic, she’s a collaborator.

          • UrsusArctos

            Kapos went into the ovens as well, they just delayed the process.

        • Nowhereman

          I blocked it days ago. Effing troll.

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            Thank you. I forgot about blocking. I’ve only used for Bill Perdue.

          • Bill_Perdue

            … Says the lover of bigots like H Clinton and rebranded bigots like Obama. .

          • Raisinhead

            If one could design a light-cancelling torch, a bit like noise-cancelling headphone, then you could actually make black into white and white into black. Or…. you could be Bill perdue.

          • Bill_Perdue

            I know there’s a reason why they call you raisinhead, but most prefer chucklehead.

          • Nowhereman

            I’ve gotten to where I block them as soon as they show their true colors. That way I’m not tempted to respond to them.

        • Kate

          If you want to play chicken little, that’s yours.

          • pj

            troll

      • matrem

        Since you’re not actually LGBT and are instead a conservative troll, I’m going to ignore your advice.

        • Kate

          I’m bi, and in a gay marriage, but hey, thanks for playing.

          • The_Wretched

            You’re simply not credible.

          • Kate

            I have several years of history on this site, but hey, if you want to consider me “non-credible”, go for it.

          • The_Wretched

            Grats on long-term sticking to the persona?

          • Kate

            If it’s easier for you to believe that people like me can’t actually exist, then go for it. It wouldn’t be the first time that someone found it easier to participate in gay erasure than to accept that some of us actually exist that don’t meet their stereotypes.

          • Raisinhead

            So, you don’t meet a stereotype. Get over it. Think that makes you special? It just makes you a psycho-turkey voting for Thanksgiving.

          • The_Wretched

            Most people look out for their own health and safety ahead of their political ideology. Well, that statement was truer in the past and we have the model of Clarence Thomas who would bring back US slavery.

          • “If it’s easier for you to believe that people like me can’t actually exist”

            No one actually doubts that vile imbeciles who work against their own interests as well as the rest of humanity can be bi.

          • Marti386

            Then I’m sure you understand how you’re doubly screwed, right?

          • Kate

            So far, what we have is rumour and conjecture.

          • Marti386

            Oh, don’t worry. It’ll be real soon enough.

          • Kate

            At which point, I’ll go out and protest if the rumours turn out to be true.

          • Marti386

            That still won’t change the fact you helped put him in the White House, will it?

          • Kate

            No, it won’t. It will have mean I made a tactical decision to try to save the country, even if it put my personal marriage at risk.

            I’m OK with that.

          • Marti386

            The problem is, our country didn’t need “saving” until you helped put Chester Cheeto in power. And you didn’t just put your rights in jeopardy, you put MINE too.

            I kinda have a problem with that.

          • Kate

            Our rights were already in jeopardy. What do you think happens when the US turns into Greece?

            20 Trillion in debt.

          • Marti386
          • Kate

            Profiting off the secret service? What, like the Clintons? There’s a formula for how much rent is paid.

            http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/taxpayer-tab-for-clinton-inc-16-million-116008

            If I wanted a candidate that wouldn’t do that, there was always the option of throwing my vote away and voting green or libertarian.

            As for adding 9 trillion to the debt, I had my choice of a candidate who ran on a platform of “more of the same”, and Obama added about 10. So, we once again have a wash. I’d love it if he cut the military, and said “fuck you” to Israel, but we can’t all get what we want. Hillary’s a warmonger, too.

            I voted for jobs. He’s still the better candidate on that front.

          • Marti386

            Yes, Hillary was a stinking turd of a candidate. But at least she wouldn’t be turning this country into a fascist state as we speak. If you think the sociopathic billionaire with the anger management skills of a 5 year old and ZERO understanding of either government or the constitution was a brilliant choice, you’re pretty fvcking stupid.

          • Kate

            I’d rather have the sociopathic billionare who is trying to enact his populist platform over the violent psychopathic millionare who was in bed with wall street, was unforgavibly negligent with classified material, and is violent and disrespectful towards those under her.

          • Marti386

            Jesus you are so fvcking stupid. Trump is a million times more dangerous that Clinton could ever be. You want to talk about being “negligent with classified material”? Maybe you shouldn’t have voted for the Putin puppet.

          • Kim K’s Kute Koochy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            “…was in bed with wall street…” have you seen his nods ?

          • “So, we once again have a wash.”

            Only the most stupid people, like Bill Perdue, believe that.

          • scottrose

            What do you think happens when the US turns into Hiroshima, you fucking moron?

          • Kate

            It won’t.

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          Ive asked it twice if its lgbtq. Ive asked it twice whom it voted for president.
          No answer. I blocked

      • JT

        False equivalency Kate yells “fake news”.

        • Acronym Jim

          Irony, Katya, purveyor of fake news yells “fake news.”

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        You voted for him, so you own the whole problem. One of your comments said you voted for him for financial security for the country. Paying for the wall will certainly help with financial security.

        • Kate

          “You voted for him, so you own the whole problem”

          So far, it’s not a problem. He’s doing exactly what we elected him to do.

          “Paying for the wall will certainly help with financial security.”

          Yes, yes it will. It will give the enhanced deportations teeth, and when coupled with the massive crackdown on illegal employers and NAFTA nuking, mean that there’s a tremendous shortage of labor, and expensive Mexican competitors.

          That’s a recipe for increased wages (and a decreased GDP). I don’t really care about wall street, but if US companies are forced to pay higher wages to attract US workers, that’s a very good thing.

          Mexico will still “pay for” the wall, in the sense that they will be “made to pay”. It’s going to end up causing them far more economic harm, and a portion of the wall will end up coming back in tariffs. Trump went a bit too far with the “make Mexico pay for it” thing – he should have just said from the beginning that if they didn’t, he would do more than the cost of the wall in economic damage.

          It’s extortion, but we should be very honest about it, because that’s what he’s doing.

          • The_Wretched

            ” He’s doing exactly what we elected him to do.”

            “We” being you mexicans? Make up your mind on where you live Kate.

            in case you missed it, the US has been downgraded from ‘full democracy’ by the people who rate such things. it was not a full and free elections. he lost the popular vote and does not have a mandate.

          • Kate

            > “We” being you mexicans? Make up your mind on where you live Kate.

            My race is Mexican. /I/ live in Canada. I am a US citizen, hence I vote in US elections. If they are going to tax me, than I expect them to represent me. I’m going to be moving back to the US once I wrap up my affairs here, because I want to be there for the Trump presidency.

            “in case you missed it, the US has been downgraded from ‘full democracy’ by the people who rate such things.”

            Honest question – what makes you think I like democracy? Most people are idiots, and most of the voters voted for Hillary, despite the horrible destruction that would likely come from a continuation of democratic economic policy, and Hillary’s open-borders one-world-market approach.

            I’m an authoritarian nationalist, for fucks sake. If I loved democracy, why would I vote for Trump?

            “it was not a full and free elections.”

            Nor has it ever been. The states elect the president, not the people. The states have generally chosen to do a winner-takes-all first-past-the-post approach to apportionment of the electoral college votes, but I believe that voting for the president should be eliminated entirely. Leave it to the state legislatures.

            “he lost the popular vote”

            Which means absolutely nothing, because the people don’t elect the president. The states do.

            “does not have a mandate.”

            Which also means nothing. What he has is a job to do, and he’s working hard to do it.

          • The_Wretched

            things are not the same this time around; this isn’t ‘same as it ever was’

            If you can’t see that after the blitz of OE and shadow fvcks like the NSC changes, you’re utterly blind.

            he’s working hard to crash the federal gov and is a “useful duped idiot” who cannot see that bannon is working for his dominionist buddies and christian theocracy for the US.

          • Kate

            He’s not trying to crash the federal government – he’s trying to save it.

          • Raisinhead

            Err… it looks like a crash, it sounds like a crash.

          • Kate

            We’ll see.

          • The_Wretched

            the EPA, State dept and USDA were gutted and put on ice. that’s not saving.

          • Kate

            He’s trying to save the country, not the planet.

          • The_Wretched

            I care a lot about edible food, reports on pesticide levels, potable water and rivers that don’t catch fire. that’s this country, not the planet.

          • Mark_in_MN

            Gutting and muzzling the EPA, State Department, USDA, etc. is a very odd way to save the country. Doing harm to the country is saving it? Goodness gracious!! And what good does it do to save the country if we destroy the planet on which it is firmly affixed?

          • Mark_in_MN

            If the were not so deluded, it might be funny.

          • TSS

            An authoritarian nationalist. Now it all makes sense. No wonder you like someone who so blatantly undermines the rule of law.

          • The_Wretched

            yeah, that was a weird thing to cop to. Even assuming her representations are true, she’s all but willing to be the first that’s rounded up or harassed.

          • Kate

            “No wonder you like someone who so blatantly undermines the rule of law.”

            And what rule of law would that be? The law explicitly gives the president the right to restrict immigration – including the option to ban all immigration, or any class of immigrants, for any period of time, by proclamation.

            His orders so far are “to the extent permitted by law”, which has limited his executive action. Just wait until Congress starts passing bills for him to sign. This has been a warmup.

          • Raisinhead

            So are the protests.

          • Kate

            If protests accomplished something, they would be illegal.

          • Guest666

            So if signs the exec order you will not be protesting? Which is it?

          • Kate

            If he signs the order, I will be protesting. I won’t expect it to change anything.

          • TSS

            Not to this extent. This is why there have been court orders against the detainment of people with visas.

            Our rule of law is based on democratic norms. There are many excellent examples of nations that has historically been unable to reconcile democratic rule with democratic norms. Before you get all Generalissimo Franco on us, just know that your values are considered inhumane by the vast majority of Americans, many of whom have been Trump supporters.

          • Kate

            There have been injunctions. That doesn’t mean a whole lot other than there is a showing that they might succeed on the merits, and that there’s irreperable harm if they win but are already deported.

          • Raisinhead

            It does mean something. The only national and universal poll of popular will. That IS ‘mandate’.

          • Kate

            “That IS ‘mandate’.”

            That’s the wonderful thing about having a president that’s elected for 4 years. He doesn’t need one.

          • Guest666

            So you’re a self proclaimed fascist for all intensive purposes. Yikes & go fuck yourself.

          • Kate

            No, I’m an authoritarian nationalist. There’s a difference.

          • Carl

            “I’m an authoritarian nationalist, for fucks sake. If I loved democracy, why would I vote for Trump?”

            Hey….. Carl here signing in as guest….

            There’s no reason to continue after this comment. This is a fascist by her own admission. Probably a fake account. I’d bet dollars she’s not even really a woman. Tell the troll to fuck off and get back to your wonderful lives.

          • Kate

            That’s what I get for self-aware honesty, I suppose.

            There are a lot of us who want an authoritarian, nationalist government, but aren’t willing to admit it. Just like there are a lot of people who want communism but won’t admit it.

          • “I’m pure evil, for fucks sake. If I loved goodness, why would I vote for Satan?”

          • Raisinhead

            This is not the primaries. This is national governments and they don’t respond to threats.

          • Kate

            “This is national governments and they don’t respond to threats.”

            Tell that to Canada. Our charter (constitution) guarantees freedom from discrimination on the basis of National Origin, but when the US decided they wanted information on all of us, Canada caved. They passed a set of laws specifically to discriminate against US “persons”, and they turn over all the information to the IRS so that they can go on witch hunts.

            Countries cave. What’s Mexico going to do? Go to war? That would last all of 3-4 hours.

          • Raisinhead

            Your faith in the markets to bring back jobs to US is touching but misplaced. Your knowledge of macro economics is less touching, more, laughable.

          • Kate

            Self-interest works. If companies have to pay more to get workers, they will. That’s the reason that strikes work.

          • Mark_in_MN

            “So far, it’s not a problem.” You have to be kidding, right? Not a problem? Saying that what Trump has been up to since he took office, whether he said he was going to do it or not, is a problem is an understatement. Look at what he’s doing. He’s working against our nation’s foundational principles and he’s doing harm to our nation and to real people, both here and around the world.

          • Kate

            He’s working towards the country’s foundational principles. Tariffs, low taxes, freedom to religiously discriminate, and a weaker federal government, leaving more things to the states. An immigration policy that puts American interests first, and rejects the concept of the US running the world.

          • Mark_in_MN

            This is risible. None of those things are a foundational principle of the United States. None is less so than the farcical claim of some sort of “freedom to religiously discriminate.” Trump’s immigration policy in this Executive Order does not put American interests first. American interests are for a more free immigration policy, one that respects diversity, which welcomes the refugee and the immigrant from all over the world, and recognizes that it is our diversity that makes us strong.

          • Kate

            America’s interests are for the best and brightest, who can give more than they take. Anything else is altruism.

            Diversity is a joke, and detrimental to a society. It leads to increase crime, decreased civic partipation, and greater social isolation. Monocultures work better, as history and experience has shown us. Immigrants need to assimilate, to speak the language – to have a shared identity, American.

            http://nteb-mudflowermedia.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/teddy-roosevelt-immigration-quotes-speak-softly-big-stick-933×445.jpg

      • LovesIrony

        vichy kate

      • ZRAinSWVA

        “There’s been a lot of fake news this presidency, and it’s only going to continue.”

        No, there’s been one horrifying moment after another and we’re only in the second week. He’s pissed off our allies and neighbors, passed unconstitutional and illogical executive orders (want a new reg have to kill two existing regs), done more to empower ISIS and other terrorist threats than all previous presidents combined…and it’s only the second week.

        Should we be concerned. DAMN straight.

        • Kate

          8 more years… 8 more years.

          • The_Wretched

            Be careful with your intentional provocation.

          • Kate

            Or what? The left will resort to violence, yet again?

          • The_Wretched

            Hasn’t been an issue since the late 60s. Trump, and you, can own domestic leftist violence’s return. The domestic violence in the US since the 60s has a strong right wing christian flavor to it.

          • Kate

            I take it you missed the video where the violence at Trump rallies was funded and planned by DNC operatives? How they kept it outside the rallies because inside is handled by the Secret Service, and a federal matter?

            Look how few trump protesters were hurt by Trump supporters, and how many Trump supporters have been subject to violence. Look at how the black church that was burned down and had Trump written on it was burned down by a member of the church, who didn’t support Trump.

            The left owns violence, not the right.

          • Raisinhead

            I saw that. Believe it or not, it was FOX NEWS that debunked. OH, god sweet Jzus the irony. No group is immune from violence but Trump supporters are gullible fools.

          • Kate

            It was the veritas videos.

          • Raisinhead

            You mentioned credibility elsewhere. You have none if you watch those.

          • Oh, Parker

            Just give her the boot. Obvious troll is obvious.

          • Kate

            The credibility of the messenger in general is distinct from the credibility of any particular video.

          • Guest666

            Veritas videos!?!? You are a f’ing idiot.

          • Raisinhead

            Do you watch Cartoon network for tips on share prices? Do you roll dice to predict the weather? Do you use soft cheese instead of Tylenol?

          • The_Wretched

            And you missed the video where a counter-sting showed that the ‘DNC operative’ violence was a fraud by the ‘Veritas’ group headed up by noted fraudster and felon james O’Keefe.

          • ChrisInKansas

            You may be mentally ill. I would suggest a check-up.

          • pj

            see you in the camp

          • Kate

            If there actually are camps, yes, yes you will. I’ll be there fighting back with you.

          • Raisinhead

            Will you fight this rumoured Exec order? Simple yes or no. We don’t want K. Conway here.

          • Kate

            If I felt there was any actual merit to the Rumor, and if it went as far as permitting the government to discriminate against gay people in providing government services, yes.

          • Raisinhead

            Good. As far as it goes. But this is not just about actually obtaining a govt service, it is about obtaining on the same basis as everyone else. Otherwise, it is separate drinking fountains.

            (OMG you are so transparent and as touchy as Drumpf – this is a turkey shoot)

          • Kate

            “Otherwise, it is separate drinking fountains.”

            Are they government-owned drinking fountains? If not, I support the right of individuals to associate (or not) with people, as they please. It should be legal to refuse to serve christians, and legal for christians to refuse to serve gays.

          • pj

            no you wont. because i wont have anything to do with you. study history and have shame.

          • Kate

            If people are rounded up and put in camps, you won’t have a choice who you are sent in with, nor will I.

      • Anon

        Come on, like we’re not all expecting it.
        It’s not unreasonable to expect a man who is now an unabashed fascist with an unabashed Nazi by his side to start attacking us.

        Being rational is reasonable, but rational would mean we should all prepare for the worst given what’s happened so far.

        • Kate

          He’s the first president to personally hold a LGBT flag, and the first republican to actually take time during the primaries to talk about LGBT individuals in a positive light.

          He’s not going to round up gay people and put them in camps.

          • TimCA

            He held the rainbow flag. I’ll bet that’ll be your standard refrain throughout his entire term in office.

            #impeachnow

          • Robincho

            He held the rainbow flag in my hometown of Greeley, Colo. And he held it upside down…

          • The_Wretched

            He will entirely deny gay folks federal benefits. Way to compare to the plan for 2019.

          • Kate

            No, he won’t.

          • The_Wretched

            Bullshit, will you own your crap when the OE comes out?

          • Kate

            If it discriminates against gay people in government, yes, I will.

          • The_Wretched

            “gay people in government,”

            What a weird limit. How about all US citizen gay people?

          • Kate

            Rephrasing:

            If it causes the government to discriminate against gay people, yes, I will. The government has no business discriminating.

            If it permits private individuals to regain their freedom of association, I will not.

            For something like this, it shouldn’t be based on Citizenship. It should include all lawfully admitted Green Card holders and Work Permit holders, as they are subject to US taxes.

          • WitlessProtection

            Famous last words.

          • pepón

            Did you know that one of Hitler’s best friends was gay? One that helped him through the Beer Hall Putsch, created the SA and was his right arm, the second most powerful man in Germany for some time? Do you know how that ended?

            So much for holding a LGBT flag.

          • DJ John Bear

            He is essentially going to remove our rights. Sure, we can get married on a Saturday, and then fired that Monday when we either apply for benefits or our marriages become knowledge around the workplace. Cuz, freedom, you know.

            We will systematically be denied services, even by the federal government, despite that our tax dollars PAY for those very services. We can be denied housing, medical treatment, etc. etc. etc. for “religious reasons” and we won’t have a legal leg to stand on.

            You voted for THAT. Shame On YOU!

          • Kate

            “We will systematically be denied services, even by the federal government”

            Doubtful.

          • TJay229

            Wait…How much of a Dumbass can you be…?

            You actually think “holding a flag” is more significant than the man that had the WH lit in the rainbow colors; who came out and said he had changed his mind and “evolved” to now support gay marriages; who had his justice department stop fighting against Windsor for ALL gay couples. But a ignorant charlatan holding a flag is poignant.

            I wish nothing but pain, misery and strife for you, you stupid pathetic woman.

          • Kate

            “who came out and said he had changed his mind and “evolved” to now support gay marriages”

            I’d rather have a president who didn’t need to evolve, and went into his campaign believing that marriage equality was settled law.

          • TJay229

            You’re beyond pathetic, you don’t even deserve pity. The kindest thing anyone can do for you is to spit on you. You worthless used tampon.

      • Anastasia Beaverhousen

        Wait for it…it’s then to late. Go screw yourself.

      • Joe in PA

        fake news this presidency…

        Ah, I think you mean fake news from this presidency… FIFY.

        • Kate

          I didn’t, but there’s certainly plenty coming from him, too.

          I’m still waiting for people to figure out that he lies about the little things (like the inauguration crowd size), in order to get people distracted away from the big things.

          He’s also using scandal fatigue to good effect – there’s a lag in organizing against him, so by the time people make it to the protest, they have yesterday’s signs and are protesting the wrong things. His opposition is united against him, but doesn’t have time to work together to protest all the things he’s doing.

          He’s come back from a 12% rating before (during the election), and it took him only a couple months to turn that around into a win. This time, he has the power of the presidency behind him, which (as we’ve seen) really helps with re-election. So, he can get as much as possible out of the way in the very beginning, and have plenty of time to repair his approval rating pre-election.

          The guy is a master troll – he filed for re-election 5 hours into his campaign, which lets him take legal action against non-profits that try to work against him as illegal “campaigning”.

          • The_Wretched

            trump is a scared and pee-soaked little man with both Bannon and Putin’s arms up his ass running him like a puppet.

          • Kate

            Personally, I have better things to do with my time than sit there fantasizing about Trump in sexual situations. If that’s what gets you off, go for it.

      • Jeffg166

        Wake up and smell the coffee it’s here, it’s now. It will only get worse. Thanks for voting for him Kate. Heck of a job.

      • The_Wretched

        I will not wait. take a look at the last week. The Bannon’s puppet has done horrors and broken law and Constitution already.

      • scottrose
      • Yeah, wait until the chains are put on before resisting.

        That’s how we ended up here.

    • Pete

      Gosh, that picture seems like another lifetime now.

  • Christopher
    • Kate

      Note the lack of white people in the picture. Ignoring and vilifying them worked out so well for the left this time around, didn’t it?

      • Lars Littlefield

        Kate the troll (who is most likely white) is baaaaaaaaa’aaak.
        Begone moldy troll, you have no power here.

        • Todd20036

          White, straight, and doesn’t think she’ll ever need an abortion (assuming she’s actually female)

          • zhera

            I’m thinking she’s probably one of those Russian trolls.

          • barracks9

            So, is this one of those nesting trolls, where there are successively smaller (and with great concentrations of bile and gall) trolls inside it?

          • zhera

            I don’t want to know, I blocked her. ;D

          • jsmukg

            KAY ….the toxic trollette’s previous handle….is far too stupid to be anything but Katya from Kiev, who cannot even think of an alias starting with a different letter.

          • yes b’y
          • Lars Littlefield

            She’s claiming she’s Mexican. I’d be more impressed if she were Lesbian, Jewish, black and French.

        • Kate

          I’m Mexican, but thanks for playing.

          • The_Wretched

            Willingly paying for the wall?

          • Kate

            Absolutely. He shouldn’t have played the “make Mexico pay for it” game.

            As for me, my US taxes will already go to pay for the wall (I have US interests as well as Canadian ones). I consider it money very well spent.

          • The_Wretched

            “tear down the wall”

            Do you remember those times?

          • Kate

            Barely – I was living in Japan at the time. I remember when the wall was torn down a bit better – I was five, and living in the US, so it had better coverage.

          • Lars Littlefield

            ¿Eres Mexicana? Entonces hay más razón para ridiculizar su trolling estilo de cabaña de troncos. ¡Qué vergonzosa!

          • Kate

            I am, although Español is not my native tongue. My family went into hiding during the Mexican “repatriation” (despite being in the US legally). My Grandmother was forbidden from speaking Spanish, and grew up without her father (who was illegally deported).

            I’m not a troll.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Fine. I’ll accept that. What I find difficult to swallow is the pro Trump and pro Alt-Right supporting posts. What’s up with all that?

          • Kate

            “What’s up with all that?”

            8 years of Obama and political correct bullshit?

            As a more serious answer, I’m genuinely an independent. I care about labour deeply. My parents were responsible for a bunch of outsourcing that helped drive the loss of American jobs to cheap foreign manufacturers, and I swore that I would stand in opposition to anyone who would do that, and the policies that enable it. I’ve been pro-tariff since I was in High School.

            The democrats have gone pro-globalist, and it’s been great for Wall Street, but horrible for the workers. I left the country because of marriage equality (hence why I married in, and currently live in Canada), but Trump is the only republican I’ve voted for. The US debt scares me – it wouldn’t take much to trigger a crash much bigger than the Great Depression. Spending has to be brought under control, and taxes need to go up.

            Trump is the only republican I’ve ever voted for, but I did so because there needs to be a change. As an immigrant (to Canada) myself, I’ve seen a lot of fraud and abuse, and I have a good deal of respect for the law. I’m glad to see it enforced – legal immigrants (such as my grandmother) deserved the full protection of the law, and illegal immigrants do not.

            It took me a decade to be eligible to (and to qualify to) immigrate to Canada. I followed the laws, and I worked to be able to meet their requirements, and to contribute. I have little sympathy for those who would enrich themselves at the expense of their fellow man, whether they work on wall street, or in a little bodega. Unions have a hard time organizing when there is an underclass of cheap, desperate labour.

            In short, as an independent, I don’t really belong anywhere. I came here years ago after Pam’s House Blend went south. I came for the marriage equality battle, and finally couldn’t take it any more and left the country. I stayed on JMG, though.

            Most of my posts here come off as a bit more right because I try to defend the truth where I can. There’s a lot of falsehoods out there right now, like Trump picking the countries for the ban based on his personal business interests. He didn’t, but that doesn’t stop the hit pieces that say he did.

            It’s actually made me wonder about Hillary a bit. I had plenty of other reasons not to vote for her, but the media has been shown to craft a misleading narrative when it suits their agendas.

          • Lars Littlefield

            So, as a Canadian you really don’t have a dog in this fight, just a phantom dog. I see.

          • Kate

            Given that I’m currently working to move back to the US, and I’m a US taxpayer, yes, I do.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Good luck.

          • TampaDink

            Oh…..so YOU’RE the one who is going to pay for the wall!

          • Kate

            If you have a job, you are, too.

          • TampaDink

            I forgot….his campaign rallying cry was bullshit.

          • Kate

            That part, yes, yes it was.

            It should have been “we’re going to ask Mexico to pay for it, and when they don’t, we’re going to do more than the cost of a wall in economic damage, and tax a few things so we make a few billion back”.

            It was less catchy, though.

          • TampaDink

            Honesty has never been much of a priority to him. He’s a show man & a con artist.

      • matrem

        Spare us your faux concern.

        • Kate

          It’s not concern – it’s derision, and there’s nothing false about it.

          The left really hasn’t learned from their mistakes, so we get to see more and more of them as time goes on.

          Personally, I’d rather not go completely right-wing. As an independent, I like things in the middle. Trump is an opportunity to shift the balance a bit, but the left needs to get their game back in another 4 years or so, if they don’t want to see themselves neutered and irrelevant.

          • barrixines

            It’s a cartoon you massive suppurating prick.

          • The_Wretched

            Bannon and Putin’s puppet is a chaos agent and provides -zero- balance.

          • The_Wretched

            Bullshit, you’re about as ‘independent’ as pence is.

          • Kate

            Because us right-wingers are always pro-union, in favour of universal single-payer healthcare, anti-globalism, anti-free-trade, pro-tariff, anti-wal-mart, and in favour of higher taxes and a strong social safety net?

            Or am I just a left-winger with my anti-refugee, pro-self-defence, anti-abortion, and opposition to companies being forced to do business with people?

      • Cousin Bleh

        Pretty sure the fist on the far left is white. But anyways, that misses the whole point of the graphic.

      • barrixines

        None of your posts are worth shit but this has to be by far the most stupid and meaningless. Fuck off twat stain.

        • Kate

          Love you, too.

          • barrixines

            You are arguing that there are no white people in a cartoon drawing. You’re not well are you dear?

          • Kate

            Actually, I’ve been feeling really good this past week. It’s been an amazing change from the last 8 years or so.

          • barrixines

            I’m glad to hear that genuinely. I also know you have a hell of a long way to go to wellness.

          • Kate

            To be honest, I’ve been rather scared of the direction the US is going. It’s not trolling – I worry about the debt, and what it will mean for the children and workers, long term.

            I do want to see the country get better. It’s occurred to me that the hope and change I’ve been hoping for is quite possibly the same kind of exuberance people felt when Obama was elected – a chance for the country to finally start moving forwards, instead of backwards.

          • barrixines

            I don’t share your politics but that’s fair enough. However this bears no relationship to an utterly idiotic post about what you perceive to be the colour of some hands in a drawing. That’s the trolling.

        • djcoastermark

          Everyone, please don’t feed the troll!.

        • jsmukg

          Kunt, excuse me, ‘Kay’ and ‘Kate,’ is the personification of mandrill excrement.

      • TimCA

        Amazing that you, of all people, would have the nerve to show your face after this news!

        • Kate

          Why is that Amazing? I’ve been saying this whole time that Obergefell wasn’t going anywhere, and that he would likely sign things that permitted churches to discriminate, and possibly employers. I expected it to come from Congress, as an EO would be largely symbolic, but I also had expected him to be a little slower.

          I knew this, and I voted for him anyway. Why would I be ashamed now, when he’s literally doing the things he campaigned on?

          Are there things I don’t like? Absolutely. He’s still better than 8 more years of Obama. The states elected an inexperienced, authoritarian, nationalist. There will be some growing pains, and he’s only going to get more effective with practice.

          • barrixines

            You’re like Kellyanne’s dowdy shut-in sister.

          • TimCA

            Trump’s an “inexperienced, authoritarian, nationalist.”

            That much we can agree on. However none of those characteristics are particularly praiseworthy and when combined with the emotionally unstable mind of Donald Trump, they are frankly dangerous.

          • Kate

            “That much we can agree on.”

            I should hope so – it’s the Truth. Nobody is helped by pretending that Trump’s something he’s not.

            “However none of those characteristics are particularly praiseworthy”

            The states would disagree with you. With the exception of a few liberal enclaves, most of the counties would too.

            “they are frankly dangerous.”

            To liberal democracies, absolutely. Trump represents a wrecking ball, sent in to demolish political correctness, the concept of placing the world above one’s nation, and that “we the people” want tired, huddled, wretched masses.

            He was elected to put America first, and America hasn’t been about that for a very long time.

          • TimCA

            From Wiki. A liberal democracy is:

            “a liberal political ideology and a form of government in which representative democracy operates under the principles of classical liberalism. It is also called western democracy. It is characterised by fair, free, and competitive elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, and the equal protection of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, and political freedoms for all people. To define the system in practice, liberal democracies often draw upon a constitution, either formally written or uncodified, to delineate the powers of government and enshrine the social contract. After a period of sustained expansion throughout the 20th century, liberal democracy became the predominant political system in the world.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

            Since I support liberal democracy and you proudly support a candidate, who as you put it, will take a “wrecking ball” to this type of governance, there is simply nothing more for us to discuss. I want nothing to do with your alt-right authoritarian model. You disgust me. People like you are the enemy. Period.

      • The_Wretched

        Don’t you have a goat to go bugger?

        • Kate

          That would be the Muslims. Hispanics aren’t known for being goat fuckers.

          If you’re going to use racist stereotypes, at least get them right.

          • The_Wretched

            Way to take a personal insult and change it into a racial issue.

      • djcoastermark

        Trolls will be trolls. Now it is time to send you to bed without any dinner. Bye Bye troll.

      • CottonBlimp

        Bottom left, you shitbrained Nazi puke.

  • TheSeer

    Is this also to make America safe?

    • TimCA

      Yes, for Christian theocracy.

    • pj

      no hes making america great again.

    • clay

      alt-America.

  • TimCA

    Let’s just tell it like it is. No more of your lies. You and your administration hate us. That hateful foreign ideology you said you were going to protect us from is not foreign. The hateful ideology is domestic and is your administration!!

    Donald J Trump: “As president, I will do everything in my power to protect LGBTQ citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology,”

    • Beagle

      Hey, it didn’t say anything about hateful domestic ideologies.

  • Cuberly

    Just a flash-back to the gay, naive, billionaire (supposed) genius. He made history by speaking at the RNC. Like it matters even!

    “Cleveland (CNN)–Peter Thiel encouraged the GOP to not get distracted by culture wars on stage Thursday night, saluting Donald Trump for not focusing on such things as he made history.”

    “The tech billionaire declared to the Republican National Convention that he is “proud to be gay,” becoming the first speaker in the party’s history to do so from the stage of the Republican National Convention.
    “Every American has a unique identity. I am proud to be gay,” he said to applause,…”

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/politics/peter-thiel-gay-republican-national-convention/

    • Max_1

      It’s never a cultural wars when Republicans wage them…

    • gaymex1

      Fuck Thiel…he’ll move to New Zealand when things get hot. The Log Cabin Republicans will no doubt find that he won’t save a room for them.

    • TimCA

      Our brave protector Peter Thiel with his escape plans of artificial islands and New Zealand passport and acreage on South Island. F him with a pitchfork!!

      • Cuberly

        He had his compassion and empathy surgically removed ages ago. It’s frozen and buried in a capsule somewhere in his super-villain lair.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Sigh, … we all knew this day was coming.
    FIGHT BACK!!

  • Max_1

    ITMFA…

  • Mark Née Fuzz

    Let’s hope Gays for Trump are the first ones into the concentration camps.

    • Blake Mason

      deprogramming camps…

      • Mark Née Fuzz

        Did Hitler deprogram the Jews?

        • Todd20036

          The idea behind anti LBGT discrimination is that we can be “fixed”

          • barracks9

            Fixed to death. There is no other end game for them in this.

    • Anastasia Beaverhousen

      He’s got their names….

    • Todd20036

      Hell, I’d be willing to turn them in.
      They’re the blackest traitors.

    • TJay229

      I second that

  • David Patrick

    He bludgeons our American Identity as land of religious freedom with Muslim ban then uses Religious Freedom to bludgeon our Constitution.

  • Pip

    Buckle up… Here we go.

  • TexasBoy

    Well, as long as the Christofascists fan the flames of his ego, all is good in Trumpland. Rights are for losers.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Anyone else’s blood boiling yet??
    RAWR!!

  • DoctorDJ
  • BlindBill

    so will the people who are legally discriminated against get corresponding tax cuts?

    • Acronym Jim

      Only if they’re billionaires.

      • BlindBill

        true story

      • clay

        and emigrating to New Zealand or some artificial floating island in the Pacific?

    • sfprman

      that’s why we need to organize the gay church

  • bkmn

    This will show us who our true allies are.

    • Oh, Parker

      Corporate America is going to be on the forefront of this battle. This is a level of disruption that is going to seriously harm the economy and the people who put a lot of the GOP in Washington aren’t going to be having it. I’m starting to think he’s doing everything he can to be removed from office.

  • ZhyKitty
    • Lars Littlefield

      🙂

    • Elagabalus

      I can hear the music from that scene playing in my ears. Perfect!

    • TimCA

      Nice seeing you. Wish it could be under better circumstances though.
      I hope you’re well!

      • ZhyKitty

        I wish the same. *hugs*

    • Steverino

      Hell no, we won’t go!

  • JWC

    a liar is a liar is a liar

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Dumpf: I will be the best friend of duh gayz. Believe me, you won’t believe it!

    • Todd20036

      Yeah, I remember that. And the LCR bought it.

      • Nowhereman

        They should be the first ones to be taken to the showers.

  • Clive Johnson
  • bring it mother fucker. just try to hurt/assault/murder/maim me. believe me when i tell you there will be a fucking uproar like you’ve never seen before.
    #StrongerTogether

  • Mike C

    I hope it was worth it, Greg.

  • Michael R

    What will this two faced piece of shit actually do ?
    One never knows until he does it .

    NOV 14 2016

    “It’s irrelevant because it was already settled. It’s law,” Trump said in a “60 Minutes” interview that aired Sunday night. “It was settled in the Supreme Court. I mean it’s done. These cases have gone to the Supreme Court. They’ve been settled. And I’m fine with that.”

    FEB 01 2016

    When pressed further about whether he would appoint judges to overrule the Supreme Court’s June decision that made same-sex marriage across the nation, Trump responded: “I would strongly consider that, yes.”

    • zhera

      He will do whatever President Bannon tells him to do.

  • MonochromeMouse

    If this happens we need to fight back, and I mean actually fight not protest and march in the streets chanting nice slogans but riot and loot and break shit. If we can’t punish discriminating businesses in court then there are plenty of other ways to do it.

    • Violence is not the answer.

      • MonochromeMouse

        So you just want to wait around until they start sending people to camps then? This is not the time for peace and anyone who seriously thinks that it is is blind.

        • You present a false dichotomy.

          • MonochromeMouse

            No, you just desperately want things to be calm, but this is not a normal situation, fascists (and by the definition of fascism the current administration is fascist) have taken over the country and stopping them will take punches not peace and love.

          • Dreaming Vertebrate

            Exactly.

          • You are full of shit and have no idea what I desperately want. So kindly fuck off.

          • MonochromeMouse

            You replied to a post I made, you should be the one to kindly fuck off.

          • The_Wretched

            Stop pushing for violence, you’re trolling for trump.

          • MonochromeMouse

            I’m not “pushing for violence” I’m advocating fighting back against fascists, big fucking difference.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        This is an existential threat. The usual rules do not apply.

        • clay

          disrupting their (the policy makers’ and puppet masters’) lives will have more impact.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Actually, I have to respectfully disagree. Sometimes, violence is necessary…though I would say it should always be a last resort.

        “Violence is a reaction to a situation that has become intolerable”

        The situation in the U.S. is not yet intolerable, so calls to violence are premature to say the least. But should the bigoted gloves come off in the form of state sponsored discrimination, then there’s historical precedence for violence. Time will tell and I hope it doesn’t come to that.

    • TimCA

      A violent response might be exactly what some in the administration want. An excuse to restore law and order by any means necessary….suspension of civil liberties??
      I really wouldn’t put anything past Bannon.

    • Clive Johnson
      • zhera

        What the hell is going on there? I thought Seattle was a liberal city, and particularly a university in Seattle!

        • Clive Johnson

          It still is, as far as I know.

          What we might be seeing is the first signs of a fascist uprising. We all need to be thinking very carefully about how we’re going to counter this.

      • MonochromeMouse

        This right here is exactly why we need to fight.

  • PickyPecker
  • Blake Mason

    Women have it coming to them also.

    • clay

      of course– gender as immutable “fact”.

  • j.martindale

    Time to renew support to Lambda Legal. The only hope we have is in the courts right now.

    • JWC

      ah but he is appointing a newone on Friday

      • j.martindale

        They have not eliminated the filibuster in regards SCOTUS appointments.

  • Dk6

    we knew this was coming, I feel like we’re going to have to live with it for two years until we take back the House & Senate, I mean how much can the courts really save us?

  • Nowhereman

    Yeah, he sure didn’t waste any time, did he. Asshole. Hey Caitlyn–how do ya like him now?

    • boobert

      Do you really believe that freak ever cared about anyone but itself?

      • Nowhereman

        No.

  • PickyPecker

    Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. BE READY.

  • Tom Ato

    Do not mess with the gays. We are not going to take it!

  • pch1013

    General strike.

    • clay

      but let’s time it for the greatest identifiable impact.

  • Sam_Handwich

    o/t

    bam! Obama just released a statement on the muslim ban

    Former President Barack Obama’s office released a statement Monday
    supporting the protests going on around the country, and speaking out
    against discriminating against individuals because of their faith or
    religion, saying “American values are at stake.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/obama-supports-protests-american-values-are-at-stake-234375

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Mr. O – Please come back!

    • KnownDonorDad

      The ensuing frustrated tweetstorm is going to be entertaining.

    • clay

      There’s a time for restraint by former presidents, and there’s a time for strongly worded statements.

  • billbear1961

    Donald Trump’s White House is plunging the United States into a full blown constitutional crisis a little more than a week into his administration. One of the prime culprits seems to be his controversial chief strategist: Steve Bannon, whom Nancy Pelosi called a white nationalist.

    Massive protests sprouted up around the country on Saturday following Trump’s unconstitutional executive order banning all refugees and all travellers from seven Muslim-majority countries – including those with valid visas. But somewhat lost in that news was Bannon’s central role in the controversy and move to consolidate even more power within the government.

    On Saturday Trump installed him on the influential National Security Council (NSC) as part of a radical re-shuffling of the influential White House board of advisors that usually is comprised of intelligence and military officials to provide the White House guidance.

    The Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence were removed from the NSC. As journalist Sarah Jeong put it on Twitter, national security “is such an emergency you have to ban Muslims. But also let’s replace chairman of joint chiefs with some guy with a garbage website.

    Meanwhile, chaos reigned on Saturday as dozens of immigrants were detained after the executive order was put into force immediately. As CNN reported Saturday night, the mayhem seems to be Bannon’s doing.

    CNN reported that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the agency which oversees Customs and Border Protection, did not even know about the executive order until it was being released to the public. Nor did its lawyers, who did not do a legal analysis of it until after it was in effect. DHS lawyers reportedly determined that it did not apply to green card holders and permanent residents, but the White House – led by Steve Bannon – overruled that objection and kept the restrictions on green card holders in place, allowing exemptions on a case by case basis.

    Thankfully, several judges put an immediate stay on deporting legitimate green card holders stuck in airports on Saturday night and ordered those still detained get access to lawyers. But the situation got even more bizarre and Orwellian on Sunday: CBP officials at some airports – in direct violation of the court orders – were reportedly still refusing lawyer access and apparently not responding to Congressional representatives who were trying to figure out what was going on.

    While some immigrants were released from detention, others weren’t even allowed to see volunteer lawyers who had showed up at airports around the country to provide free representation. Democratic Representative Don Beyer tweeted on Sunday afternoon: “We have a constitutional crisis today. Four Members of Congress asked CBP officials to enforce a federal court order and were turned away.”

    As MSNBC’s Chris Hayes wrote: “$64,000 question is: are they being told to violate the court order by the White House?” If the White House is, in fact, directing DHS and CBP to violate a crystal clear court order, the rule of law has completely broken down and we are in a truly unprecedented situation here.

    In the face of the massive protests, on Sunday night, new DHS secretary John Kelly released a statement saying all permanent residents will be let in the country, yet there was still no word from lawyers on the ground whether it is actually being obeyed.

    The White House, meanwhile, is still pretending that its executive order is not technically a “Muslim Ban.” Beyond the obvious fact that Donald Trump campaigned on such a ban, Trump crony Rudy Giuliani laid those questions to rest on Fox News late Saturday night claiming Trump asked him to figure out how to make his Muslim ban campaign promise “legal” – confirming it’s a Muslim ban in all but name.

    No matter your political views, the fact that the White House is attempting to circumvent legal advice, install dubious appointees to incredible powerful national security positions and violate court orders is outrageous and despicable, so let’s be clear: Congress needs to quickly move towards impeachment if this is true.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/30/muslim-ban-consitutional-crisis

    We cannot pretend that the Rule of Law is not being violated.

    The Executive MUST be MADE to comply with the LAW–it MUST.

    We cannot allow the Rule of Law to be even temporarily suspended.

    If Congress will not, for whatever reason, act, if they aid and abet this CRIME, then they, TOO, must be held accountable. By allowing the Executive to VIOLATE the law, they also violate it. They FAIL in their FIRST DUTY, to uphold the Constitution. By breaking the LAW, by violating the Constitution, they put themselves OUTSIDE the law, and their authority is FORFEIT.

    A government where the Executive and the Legislative branches REFUSE to obey the Constitution is ILLEGITIMATE.

    I’m not asking for the help of Congress–I am DEMANDING it.

    They will ACT, or we will REFUSE to recognize their unconstitutional authority.

    If no one ELSE will defend this Republic and its Constitution, WE must.

    This is NOT an act of rebellion on OUR part, for it is THEY who are rebelling, against the Constitution.

    • DonnaLee

      Do-over election. I think the outcome would be different this time.

      • billbear1961

        Hello, Donna Lee!

        • DonnaLee

          Hello Billbear darling!

    • Dave B

      Regarding bannon “I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed.
      Shocked, I asked him what he meant.
      “Lenin,” he answered, “wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.” .http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/22/steve-bannon-trump-s-top-guy-told-me-he-was-a-leninist.html

      • zhera

        He’ll say whatever he pleases. He’s a fascist.

  • AC

    Please let it be true. No group will come anywhere close to fucking with Trump’s shit.

  • Anon

    If the GOP are scared of the crowds now, just f-ing wait.
    This year is going to be a year of never ending mass protests, from state to state, country to country.
    Trump, prepare for your American Spring.
    Come to think of it, Theresa the Appeaser better be ready too.

    • jsmukg

      May is a gutless turncoat who, as my UK friends say, hunts with the hounds and runs with the hares. She is, however, so stupid that she does not even realize her cloacal knowledge of Hair Furor will make her inevitable and mortifying fall occur much, much sooner.

  • TexasBoy

    I wonder what those that voted for Trump because Bernie didn’t get the nomination think of their voting decision now?

    • Todd20036

      Most of them were white and straight.
      They don’t care about us. Never did.

      • MonochromeMouse

        Yup, all they cared about was that supporting Bernie was gonna get them some liberal pussy.

      • sfprman

        except for all the BLM leadership in the Bay Area and beyond, black and trans, who decided pouting against Hillary was smarter.

    • Michael

      I wonder how those who supported Clinton instead of Bernie, seeing EVERY poll had Bernie beating Trump by a much wider margin, feel about their decision now?

      • MonochromeMouse

        Trump would have DESTROYED bernie in the midwest and south, all he would have to do is start calling him a commie and that would be it for his campaign with older white people. Hillary WON the popular vote trump only got elected because he exploited the poor white middle class racists who would have never voted for a democrat anyway. This shit is on YOU if you didn’t support Hillary because you didn’t want to hang out and have a beer with her.

        • Michael

          Ah, still ignoring all those polls, eh?

          • MonochromeMouse

            Like all the polls saying trump had less than a 5% chance of winning?

          • The_Wretched

            Bernie was right on everything but he wasn’t a politician. Making ‘what if’ speculations isn’t helpful for either you nor the bernie bashers. Tell them to move on when they are stuck but otherwise don’t provoke the fight.

      • joe ho

        lol. even far-left icon chomsky says lefties too righteous to vote for hillary made a very, very bad mistake.

        http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/307570-chomsky-liberals-who-didnt-vote-for-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake

        green partie shitstains and bernie or busters own this clusterfuck as much as trumpanzees.

        those polls you refer to were without any gop opposition ads which would have crushed him. trump was actually pumping bernie.

    • zhera

      Haven’t you heard? It’s Hillary’s fault for ‘stealing’ the primary.

      They’ll never admit failure, and they’ll NEVER apologize.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Can’t wait to hear all the bleating from the Log Cabinet lambs.
    Give him a chance!

    • TimCA

      Any Log Cabin group that endorsed him are just as culpable as that man in the Oval Office rescinding our rights.

      • BobSF_94117

        He only got Miami, no? Or maybe TX??? And a couple branches endorsed Clinton, IIRC.

  • Pete

    Log Cabin Republicans claim to “have the ear of the Trump administration.” They will have an immediate chance to prove it. They are really a bunch of amateurs who have convinced themselves that they have hit the big time (through no accomplishment of their own!).

  • Dexter

    Very difficult to make heads or tails out of that description. It says that the order will allow for discrimination by contractors, but the second paragraph suggests that it would affect federal “employers,” which I assume is a typo and actually means employees. If it is limited to contractors, that would essentially be a repeal of an Obama order from just a little while ago. Contractors in 22 states would still be bound by state law to not discriminate against LGB people. If it revokes protections for federal employees, that would revoke a Clinton-era executive order and would be a real provocation, more than the Christian Right would have even asked for.

    • BobSF_94117

      A revocation of the EO covering gay people is most certainly not “more than they would have asked for”.

  • Ninja0980

    We’ll be denied housing, can be discriminated against in all aspects of life by the federal government but we won’t be thrown off rooftops is the line we’ll hear.
    To those folks I say FUCK YOU.
    I’m tired of being told I should accept being treated as a second class citizen because it’s worse elsewhere in the world.
    Fuck that, this country isn’t a fucking theocracy and whatever your god damned book of fairytales says, it doesn’t apply to civil law.

    • UrsusArctos

      Ninja – This has been the reality for huge swaths of the US. All that discrimination won’t change because of an EO. The majority of states have no protective laws, so an EO from 45* doesn’t change much for most of us. It SHOULD serve notice to the “Blue Bubble” folk. I have always told non-red state friends and acquaintances that what the rest of us have been fighting to get for years means they need to keep fighting because their “Blue Bubble” comfort might be in trouble before too long.
      The good news is that we ARE everywhere and have largely thrived despite the theocrats and Y’allQueda types. Pick the right fights and we can leave their sorry asses for the roadkill they are. HUGS

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    This is going to be much worse than anyone thought.
    Channel your anger into rational, purposeful resistance. Anger can be a force for positive change, but do not let it rule you.
    (This little green dino is very angry right now, but it will not control my actions.)

    • billbear1961

      XO

  • Michael

    Can some of you dumb b!tches STOP trying to blame Bernie supporters??? EVERY SINGLE POLL had Bernie beating Trump by much wider margins than Clinton yet you guys still insisted on placing your bets on her.

    So next time you feel like dishing out “Gee, I wonder how so and so feels” go take a long, hard look in the mirror.

    • ETownCanuck

      Except when all was said and done and there were only two candidates to choose from…what did those Bernie Supporters do?

      • Michael

        Well, for sure, some of us DID NOT VOTE for a candidate who stole their primary from Bernie. That’s a definite ‘for sure.’

        • ETownCanuck

          Which makes you responsible for Trump,

          • Michael

            No, my dear sir, it makes YOU responsible.

            Sorry, I don’t bend so easily over for someone who ONLY SUPPORTED MY RIGHTS when it wouldn’t have lost him or her votes.

          • ETownCanuck

            And now you’re gonna be stuck with one who doesn’t support them at all….so good for you.

          • Michael

            Yup, good for me. In four years we’ll have another chance. No chance in Hell I would ever had given the keys to Clinton for 8 years. If you don’t remember she basically gave the big “f*ck you” to his supporters with her VP pick.

          • ETownCanuck

            Will you though? Look what they’ve managed to do in 7 days…what do you think they’ll manage to do in four years?

          • Michael

            Yup, and on Day 7 he declared war.

            Unfortunately there are many aspects and causes which led us to this point.

          • aar9n

            Here’s a hard question: which is better: some representatation or
            No representation

          • Millstone

            Hey. While you’re all arguing over who put the lantern next to the cow the barn is burning.

          • Michael

            Amen, brother. I only posted that due to the people in here still bitching about Bernie supporters.

          • BobSF_94117

            At this point the Bernie-bashers are:

            A tiny number of hardcore folks who are deeply mad at him. You might find two of those here.

            Shit-stirrers who sow discord cuz it gives them a chubby.

            Anti-Democratic Party GOP shills.

            I ask you, is it worth the trouble to take the bait?

          • Achilles Tsakiridis

            How easily do you bend NOW Michael … ?

      • Acronym Jim

        The vast majority of us Bernie supporters voted for Clinton in the general election. Michael either doesn’t realize JMG commenters are blaming the Bernie-or-Busters, or he is just trying to stir up old shit that’s irrelevant now.

        • Michael

          Irrelevant? Odd how so many JMG readers are still rehashing it.

          • Acronym Jim

            The first mention of Bernie in this thread was targeting people who voted for Trump after Sanders lost the nomination.

          • Michael

            Could you find me just one Bernie supporter who did that?

            No, we didn’t go vote for Trump, we just stayed home. I don’t see how some of you guys can’t fathom why we would after the crap Clinton and the DNC pulled.

          • Friday

            Though actually about half of that polling ‘support* *was* Trump voters wanting to run against Bernie.

        • Ninja0980

          Given the fact Bernie and his supporters are going after Democrats such as Cory Booker, it’s clearly not over.

          • Michael

            This is the 1st I’ve heard of people going after Cory.

    • aar9n

      The gop op research showed Bernie at an anti American protest with flag burners. People trust socialists about the same as atheists.
      Clinton had super high approval before the email blitz. The grass looks green till the mud starts slinging

      • Michael

        Why do you guys insist on ignoring facts? EVERY poll had Bernie beating Trump far, far better than Clinton.

        • aar9n

          Every poll had Clinton beating Trump on election night. Bernie didn’t get the heat from the general election. Stop trying to justify people who allowed Hitler’s reincarnation because they got their feelings hurt in the primaries

          • Michael

            She was NEVER out of the margin of error!!

            And, go look in the f*cking mirror if you want to see who is responsible for Trump. All of you guys thought Bernie supporters would fall in line no matter what.

            Well unfor we’re all doing with the “what” right now.

          • aar9n

            So I grew up conservative. I understand how they fight, because they understand how elections work. In the primaries, you fight for your individual candidates. In the general, we voted party line no matter who. And see how that turned out for them? Even the Christians who didn’t like Trump are getting pieces of pie.

            Hilary would have been loads better than this pile of dump and you know it. Hilary wouldn’t be attacking our rights right now and attacking Muslims.

            I hope you feel self Righteous with your purity standard, because you won’t have a single branch of government looking out for you in the next 4 years. If Hillary would have won we could have taken the Senate and the court.

            But no, your stupid temper tantrum will cost us the Supreme Court for the next generation

          • Michael

            GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!!

            “But no, your instance on telling the Bernie supporters ‘f*ck you, we don’t need you anyway’ will cost us for many generations.”

            It’s is ABSURD you guys don’t remember how big of d!cks you guys were to Bernie supporters and your beloved queen was the biggest one of them all.

            You guys were so sure Clinton couldn’t lose that you treated the Bernie supporters like they didn’t matter and, I guess, you never took into account what was going to happen when you belittled and pissed off half of your entire Democratic base.

          • aar9n

            If Bernie would have won the primaries I would have voted for him no problem. I would have voted for a rubics cube if it had won the primary.
            Bernie lost the primary. If you don’t like that, participate in the system to change it instead of fucking everyone because everything didn’t go your way.
            A lot of Bernie supporters weren’t even registered Democrats, and a lot of the young ones didn’t vote during midterms and local elections. Vote in those and the primaries to change the party. Stay at home and don’t vote if you like having our democracy dismantled by an orange dumpster.
            In politics you don’t always get everything you want, but most of us understand that some is better than none.
            But you enjoy none. You’ve earned it.

        • Silver Badger

          Wake up Michael. It’s 2017 and the past is still dead.

          • Michael

            Odd how the past is now shaping our present.

            Anything else you need help with today?

          • Silver Badger

            Sooner or later everyone must admit that they will never have a better past. Move on.

          • Michael

            LMFAO. And there are those of us who are very, very happy with what we’ve done in the past.

            I guess there are those of us who aren’t.

          • Silver Badger

            I certainly have no regrets. Again, move on.

          • Michael

            Sorry, Bubba, I totally misread your last posting before this. Time for Nyquil (sick as a dog atm)

          • zhera

            Serious question for you, Michael:

            Who would you prefer in the White House at this moment, Hillary or trumPee?

            And no, there are no other options.

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    Well, not re tipping, but what does Peter Thiel think about this? Thank you.

    • kanehau

      Blocking you. Thank you. Please re-tip.

  • JoeMyGod
    • BobSF_94117

      So, where are you getting your head? Priebus?

    • TampaDink

      He’d better not get ahead of him. I hear that Bannon can be a physically violent douche bag when he’s pissed off.

  • billbear1961

    This is the first step towards a new Age of Segregation.

    And, where government services are involved, it is most likely a violation of the Establishment Clause.

    I remember reading that the current SCOTUS is very unlikely to find this First Amendment “Defense” Act constitutional, as long as the judges who comprise the Obergefell Five remain on the Court.

    This kind of outrageous government-sanctioned discrimination, in the TWENTY-FIRST century, cannot and MUST not be tolerated.

    When anyone is discriminated against, they should record the discrimination and make as much NOISE as possible about it in the news and social media.

  • JoeMyGod
  • The_Wretched

    I’m still far from convinced Trump has the actual authority to make half the changes he did. Remember Obama on the Immigration stuff? He was hamstrung and needed legislation to get what he really wanted. Don’t do half the work of the admin for them by only saying something is bad policy. Also point out that it’s not a presidential power.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      … and donate to the ACLU. They will need a really big WAR CHEST to fight this level of absolute EVIL. Trump and his fascist goons must be stopped at all cost.

      • The_Wretched

        We did and will do so again.

  • Martin

    If we have no legal recourse, then we have no choice but to take matters into our own hands and dispense our own justice.

    • Silver Badger

      Sounds nice, but exactly what do you recommend? Any violence will open the camps in jig time. We need to get the nation behind us, whatever we do.

      • Martin

        I would NEVER advocate violence as the solution to any problem. It simply isn’t a solution anyway. I hope not too many people associate the word justice with violence. I am talking about economic pressure primarily, social shaming, etc…

        • Silver Badger

          Good job.

        • ^ This. Which sadly the more violence-minded who want to break shit and just escalate the hate seem to forget.

          Also, that Gandhi fellow had some really good ideas how to bring about change without violence and wanton destruction.

        • clay

          create our own service models (e.g. lesbians and other sisters fighting AIDS)– find what will hurt your community the worst, then find who’s going to step into the gap and help them out.

          give the time and money for legal fights– if you’re subject to this, sacrifice for a lawsuit, while we others sacrifice to pay the lawyers.

        • Yes, we can’t follow the trail down to violence, as that is what they want us to do. Our only viable option is to follow Gandhi’s method of peaceful resistance.

  • Joe in Wyo

    I’ve already sent in my donation to the ACLU for this year but I’m going to send another one now.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      People, just click right here!

      Link: https://www.aclu.org

    • BobSF_94117

      Consider the gay orgs, like Lambda Legal.

  • Silver Badger

    This was expected. One wonders how much can legally be done with executive orders? Where are the cries of executive overreach?

    • How much can be legally done? President Bannon has already overstepped that bound, bigly.

      How much can be done before he’s stopped by those who actually respect the law and our nearly destroyed system of government? That remains to be seen. This is officially now a “Stop me if you can and dare” administration that is trying for dictatorial powers via executive orders.

    • When President Obama wrote a few executive orders the GOP howled each and every time about presidential over reach. But when a white man writes to many to count executive orders, they are silent.

      And one day the knock on the door will be for them.

  • Mark

    This fucker is just edging for a fight. I don’t think he knows what he’s messing with. I’m no longer afraid – as there is way too much to lose. And he will get his fight.

    • I’m not real big on fighting (in general). But here? this time? oh, fuck yes, it’ll definitely happen.
      It Will Happen.

      • Mark

        If I can’t swing a big stick – I’ll cold cock ’em with a fucking rock filled purse. All that ‘gentlemanly’ shit goes right out the window.
        He won’t be thinking ‘faggot’ when his knees buckle!

        • Bomer

          They way i figure it if a fight doesn’t involve a referee then anything goes. If someone picks a fight with me then I’m going to make damn sure I’m the one that’s walking away, and if that’s not an option then at least I’m going to cause as much damage as possible.

      • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

        The time for “kumbaya” and “reaching across the aisle” has expired.

        Gear up, ladies and gentlemen. They’re going down.

        And to all you LGBT Republicans: Don’t think you’re not on our burn list.

    • billbear1961

      Beautifully put, Mark!

      Trump and the Republicans are human GARBAGE.

      If the pompous two-faced BULLIES push people till their backs are against the wall, the evil BASTARDS will be in for a FIGHT that will surprise them. [edited]

  • Bill_Perdue

    We need ENDA.

  • WitlessProtection

    I got into a FIERCE argument with my non-religious, pot-smoking, Libertarian mother this weekend about this. She has told me time and time again that I have nothing to worry about and that everything is going to be just fine. She tells me constantly that she will have my back, but when other family members attack me on social media, and rub Trump’s victory in my face, she is silent. I actually had one of her cousin’s husband comment on FB that if I was that afraid to live here, maybe I should leave the country, and again, silence from her. One of the last things I told her is that her silence on Social Media speaks louder than her words to my face. Then I was accused by my father of being pathologically “angry” all the time. I tried to explain to them both, straight, white, privileged individuals, that they have nothing to fear from the tRump administration, and I can’t understand their LACK of anger as I am in constant danger from them. Again – silence.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      They really are blind as fuck.

      • If it doesn’t affect them directly, they don’t think any moral atrocity is anything but a mere inconvenience for others.

        • Friday

          Cause the most horrible thing that can ever happen to the *privileged* is being ‘offended’ or ‘disagreed with.’

    • Ninja0980

      My Trump supporting Aunt and Uncle and my Bernie or Bust cousin said the same thing.
      I just sent them a link to this with the message they can all go fuck themselves.

    • zhera

      Sorry to say this, but they are lacking empathy.

      They will only understand what it’s like for you when they themselves are taken to a work camp.

      Oh, they don’t think that could happen to them? But surely a christian society must punish them for making you gay!

    • Bj Lincoln

      I am often accused of being “angry” all the time by my family because I pass on mostly LGBT info all the time on my FB. It is not that it’s the only thing I read but I think it’s important to pass it on. I get sent and watch puppies and kitten videos. I don’t see the need to pass them on when there are tons of them out there. It IS important to me because it effects my life. They too don’t seem to think it is a big deal or care if I am ‘inconvenienced’. They have always voted against my rights.

    • Oh, Parker

      And you’re still speaking to these people?

  • AtticusP
    • billbear1961

      The ugly, lawbreaking, court-defying BASTARD belongs in PRISON before he DESTROYS this country and the PLANET!!

      If he isn’t already, he will soon be the most HATED piece of SHIT in this country and in the WORLD!!

      We really must do EVERYTHING we can to make HIS life and the lives of every GOP politician a FUCKING living HELL!!

      • AtticusP

        Believe me, Bill: I am going to do my part. You can take that to the bank.

  • boobert

    To me , the federal employees being given the right to discriminate is the most disturbing. I give a shit about someone refusing to bake a cake, but having the government against you is a whole different matter. When scotus gets filled with scalia types, that won’t help. All this would really bother me , but we’ll probably be nuked before this causes problems.

    • Friday

      It’s only about the fricking *cakes* to the Fundies. What they really want is JIm Crow like this.

    • Pip

      I’m with you on this. What do I care if someone doesn’t want to bake me a cake, or pizza, or give me flowers. Their loss when I spread the word to not use them any more to my friends and family ad nauseam. The disturbing part is the freaking Federal employees being allowed to discriminate. I am an American citizen. I pay their freaking checks. As long as I am a legal resident of this country and pay taxes they serve me. I don’t give a flying fuck who the worship, they are paid to serve me and the public. The fact that the government would back up discrimination of this sort is pathetic and scary as all hell.

  • JWC

    I wonder at what point the Irishman and the Turtle will ever have the balls to stand up and say enuff

    • When 45 dissolves Congress. But by then it will be too late.

    • zhera

      Maybe next week, when the EO is about Jews? Seeing as how Bannon is in charge, it’s just a matter of time before that happens.

      • TampaDink

        That *might* be one area where there will be some inner circle push back against Pres. Bannon….if not for Hair Furor, perhaps his son-in-law will speak up.

        • UrsusArctos

          Nah, son in law worships at the House of Mammon and Power.

          • TampaDink

            They all worship the almighty dollar & themselves…and nothing more.

      • JWC

        Bannon is the silent scary one in that scenario

  • beariac
  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    THIS IS WAR

  • ralphb

    If anyone hears about demonstrations in NYC against this latest terrorist act against America, please post it here, or perhaps Joe could inform us.
    Hopefully all the folks who turned out in NYC yesterday (great rally by the way, huge crowd)will be there to back us up when we need it.

    • clay

      More that 1000 queers & allies at Philly’s protest of the visiting GOP leadership. NYC should be able to beat that, easy, even without the clowns coming to town. (Yes, that was a challenge.)

    • zhera

      Bring your sign and go to Trump Tower. you’ll probably meet lots of other protesters there.

    • Dazzer

      There are huge crowds demonstrating against Trump in London, Cardiff and other British cities tonight.

      As the reporter on Channel 4 news said: “Every time you turn round, more of them arrive”.

      • William

        I may have to miss 4:30 Jeopardy to watch BBC News.

  • Steverino

    Well, at least most of us don’t have to worry about being turned away from any Trump property, because at this point no self-respecting member of the LGBT community would set foot in one of those tacky places, anyway.

    Notice I wrote “self-respecting.” Log Cabinettes, we’ll see how this turns out for you.

    • fuzzybits

      I’d rather stay at motel 6

      • Craig Howell

        Hey! I just spent five nights at a comfortable, ideally-situated Motel 6 in Palm Springs, within walking distance of everything, and had no problems whatsoever.

        • fuzzybits

          I’ve stayed at motel 6 a couple times. One time was great,the other time,not so much.

  • Millstone
  • Will they be supplying the special color-coded patches we’re expected to sew into our clothing, or will we have to make our own?

    • KarenAtFOH

      We will have to make our own, and if they don’t meet proper specifications, we will have to rip them out and do it again.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Okay, Repug fags reading this, and, by extension, diehard BrenieBros and SteinHoisters, are you happy now?

  • fuow

    All you gay
    men who didn’t vote for Hillary? This is your fault.

    • Bill_Perdue

      No, it’s the fault of Democrats like Obama who refused to pass ENDA.

    • Jack

      Gay men?

  • clay

    ACA, housing, WIC & SNAP (family recognition), security clearances, SSI & Medicare/Medicaid (family recognition), immigration (family recognition) . . .

  • Jerry Kott

    why am I getting the impression that this was all part of the plan? To willfully create as much chaos in a short period of time in order to declare Marshall law to screw us even more.
    This is War. You have to fight like you have nothing to loose. There actually isn’t much left. Don’t expect the Democrats to do much more than whine.

  • JoeNCA

    Hey, every pro-LGBT Trump supporter who said they’d be the first to speak out again any action like this were Trump to do so….

    We’re waiting.

    • Richard Hughes

      This was actually the straw that broke the camel’s back for a Trump voter I know. I doubt he’s the only one.

      • LiberalDeacon

        This was the straw?

        • Richard Hughes

          Yeah, he was pretty horrified about the immigration order but wasn’t quite in full fury mode yet. But hey, turns out he’s not related to any immigrants or muslims, but he is a blood relative of a gay guy who he loves, so.

          • zhera

            And that’s exactly what will help us now. Gay people are sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers. When thousands of people protested last weekend, imagine what will happen now!

      • Ben in Oakland

        And right on time, too.

    • Etranger

      I can’t believe there were any pro-LGBT Trump supporters…it is an oxymoron! Trump was very clear when he picked Pence that he was not “pro-LGBT”. Plus he only ever said things that were anti-LGBT (e.g., anti-gay marriage)

  • Gil

    If you feel like you are being treated as a second class citizen by anyone working in the government, fed , state, or local, be loud and proud. Embarrass the hell out of them in front of their coworkers and other people in the building..Make them call security..Maybe the next time they’ll think twice….The days of simpering politeness are over…What do you have to lose ????Just remember, your tax dollars are paying them…

    • david fairfield

      And our tax dollars are equal to “traditional white people” tax dollars, yet we cannot receive the same benefits. I thought the 14th amendment was supposed to ensure that all people are treated equally. If that’s not the case please send my my tax exemption card.

  • boobert

    If lgbt areas start up , they will probably be the nicest places to live. When gays move into an area ,property values nearly always go up. We’ve been blending into most parts of society. Maybe it’s time to take over and start all lgbt cities and towns along with their governments. Discrimination works both ways. Detroit seems to be ripe for picking. We’re presently in a active adults development of about 550 homes. There are at least 25 lgbt households that I know of. I would love to get rid of some right wing neighbors and their nasty grand kids at the pool! lol

  • Rick

    Oh, yeah, I remember all this. The days when I got fired after mentioning my boyfriend at work. The days when I lost a lease on my apartment after introducing my landlord to my boyfriend. Getting spat on by hicks in a truck just for walking in the gay neighborhood. Let’s not have all that again, shall we? I’m too old this time around.

    • clay

      You’re old enough to know that and how you survived it, and fought against it, and won against it (and, yes, ALL victories are temporary). There are those who’ve only known the good times and will need your balanced perspective and long-term view. If it’s too hard for you, tell your secrets to the younger folks who’ll be on those front-lines.

    • Oh, Parker

      That’s what he meant by making America great again. For racists, homophobes and sociopaths.

    • gaymex1

      No more of that shit for me either.
      I don’t want the gay kids growing up in that climate.
      We can fight back in ways that can’t be discussed here.
      I will.

  • Marti386

    Can we line up all the “let’s give him a chance, he claims he has no problem with LGBT people” morons and punch them all in the mouth now?

    • Oiling up my crossbow and thinking of all the “There’s no difference between Clinton and Trump” fools. Purely for maintenance, you understand. I’d never shoot it at anyone. As far as you know.

      • Friday

        Of course remember why the Right wanted the infighting in the first place.

    • Acronym Jim

      “Kate” is already first in line down thread.

    • To bad that the rich homocon’s who funded and feted cheetolini have the money to flee the country when things go south for lgbt folks.

  • Friday

    Just remember a whole lot of corporations really don’t want any part of this, and those that do are the ones who’ll want to ‘compete’ for contracts.

  • Earl

    Wish I could say I was surprised by that shit. I read a hell of an article on
    daily kos. All you need to know about Bannon.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/18/1601406/-Everything-You-Need-to-Know-About-Steve-Bannon-Breitbart-Russia

    We’re going to be so badly fucked… 🙁

    At least everyone else will go down too.

  • Rick

    “C’mon you guys, give him a chance. Let him do his job.”

  • LiberalDeacon

    The Task Force is claiming it’s a roll back of Federal Protections for LGBTQ workers.

  • **Sigh** So we have to yell at them about this AGAIN? At least we already have the signs made.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f145a7d296b201fed5bb7926d39b07b29d0a3f29003b46b9ec1306f652c553c.png

  • Ah, at last the Evangelicals who sold their souls to the pussy grabber will be able to point with pride to a Trump accomplishment, i.e., that he legalized bigotry and discrimination in the name of their “loving” god.

    • TampaDink

      Those kinds of people haven’t been unhappy with a single thing he’s done….with the possible exception of hiring his Jewish son-in-law.

  • Secure

    I have several gay friends who are currently trying to adopt. This could make it much more difficult.

    • GayOldLady

      Or impossible.

  • Acronym Jim

    Anastasia Beaverhousen downthread asked someone to make a meme for this. I created and posted this in response to her request.

    Feel free to use and disseminate as you see fit.

    https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder755/400×400/75177755.jpg

  • GayOldLady

    Brothers & Sisters…….This isn’t something we’re unfamiliar with, but now we have an amazing number of allies with us so we will fight back everywhere. After this EO is signed, I suggest that we begin a campaign to OUT the businesses, people that refuse to serve us. We can take out ads that identify them. We can picket their stores/shops/businesses. We can place stickers that say “we do not serve LGBTQ” on their businesses, mailboxes, homes, vehicles. I suggest that we withhold tourist dollars from States that allow discrimination based on sexual orientation or sexual identity. Where possible we should move away from States that discriminate against us. We CAN fight back and we will WIN!

    • Bill_Perdue

      Why did you oppose ENDA? What’s wrong with you?

    • fuzzybits

      Yes,but it’s a goddamn shame we have to fight for rights we have now and this team of worthless shits don’t care at all!

      • GayOldLady

        It was a goddamn shame in 1960, 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000, but it’s more than a goddamn shame now. It’s criminal and we won’t go back. They have no idea what sort of hell they’re about to stir up.

        • fuzzybits

          Didn’t someone in Indiana have those stickers made up when all was going down there? If someone remembers if and when anything happens (hoping not) it needs to be posted because I could use a few hundred of them.

    • UrsusArctos

      We fought this fight in Mississippi. It amounted to giving the Christers a superior feeling and that was about it. (Which was the intent). Our allies came out in force over HB1523. You’re right, businesses stepped up and engaged in the “Everyone’s Welcome” campaign. Most of the cities squawked and encouraged the LGBT community with shows of support. If that can happen in MS the fight can be won.
      The ONE huge difference is that HB1523 didn’t change anything for Mississippians (and this EO wouldn’t for most of the country). This EO is INTENDED to inflame “Blue Bubble” folk by reminding them what they have won through all of our fights subject to challenge. It may divide the LGBTQ community because, be prepared, that EO from 45* doesn’t affect about 3/4 of the country. So, it is more important than ever to work together – “Blue Bubble” folk and “Blue Dots in Red Seas” to kick these MoFo’s asses.

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Not exactly re tipping, but this is actually a very good idea. Here is Dan Savage’s suggestion:

      http://www.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/02/27/a-baker-refused-to-make-your-wedding-cake

      This is especially applicable in states or localities where anti-LGBTQ discrimination is perfectly legal. Thank you.

  • Ben in Oakland

    “I’m not getting ahead of the president.”

    I don’t blame him. Bending over in front of Trumpee just invites a reacharound.

    • Canadian Observer

      Where on earth did you get the impression that that particular narcissist would be considerate enough to actually reacharound?

      • Ben in Oakland

        I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. But my comment was more about the inadvisability of being in front of Grabby McPussy at any time, not about smoking a cigarette afterwards.

  • Michael In Atlanta

    I really don’t mind Trump signing all these executive orders fulfilling campaign promises. One by one, they get signed, then they get stayed, then they will all be declared unconstitutional.

    • CraigNJ

      Obama signed an EO to close Gitmo, and that is still running. Just signing an order doesn’t make so.

  • AZResist

    Waiting to see if he has the IRS do away with joint tax filling status for same sex marriage.

  • vernacular100

    The only hope we got is that he shits in everybody nest!
    So far if you got fake blond hair and like the Hi Hitler! look your in good shape! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5ba095d106bcb05ebae3af68513ce6acc773d3f98cc3a1020d40572213795a05.jpg

    • William
      • vernacular100

        Yes Yes!…I must of saw this as a kid because every time I see that picture of Sessions arm in salute – arm ban they become one.

  • Bj Lincoln

    While many of us old farts can deal with the discrimination having grown up with it, I feel for the young people who never had it so bad. Once they came out, they were open and for the most part, never had to deal with it. Rolling back protections WILL cause problems in so many ways. As it is, violence against us and Muslims has been on the rise. This law will make it open season on LGBT folks and there are plenty who will be more than glad to use it to their advantage. Screw the cakes or flowers. Being refused healthcare services, lawyers, jobs, loans, homes and adoptions are the real problems.

  • AZResist

    Wonder if he will force the IRS to stop joint tax filling status of same sex couples?

  • canoebum

    Looks like we’re headed back to court. And out into the streets again.

  • david fairfield

    So now is the true test, whether corporations will continue to support us or take advantage of the fact that we can legally be kicked to the curb again. I feel horrible for lgbt youth who will get the worst of this bigoted order. I have no doubt this WILL happen, and I am disheartened.

  • So What

    To the concentration camps we go.. . . . . . . . .

    • Millstone

      It is, in my opinion, both inappropriate and disrespectful to compare this to the Holocaust. Since you asked.

  • david fairfield

    OT, I am having a very difficult time accessing JMG today on computer, ipad and phone…”site not available”…..

  • Kayla

    can we get on with the impeachment already? can we also preemptively impeach Mike Pence just to save time?

  • Robert Conner

    And it will all wind its sorry way up to the Supreme Court that will have a Scalia II sitting on the bench. Fascists, like the Vatican, play the long game.

  • JCF
  • sfprman

    start the GAY CHURCH now. One of these reduntant LGBT organizations needs to rebrand itself as a religion. Then we can’t be discriminated again.

  • Tj Long

    I am about to the point to where I may never again speak to my Republican friends.

    • Maggie 4NoH8

      Me too

  • Roelf Van Der Merwe

    Thank God Im not american

  • Kevin Bowen
  • Monica Acosta-Zamora

    My Lord. This is extremely disturb.
    Saints preserve us!

  • Thisoldspouse

    It’s about time.

  • Thisoldspouse

    Trump won. Get over it, losers.