How Obamacare’s Repeal Affects LGBTs [VIDEO]

Matt Baume writes in the Huffington Post:

If the ACA is repealed, as Republicans are trying to do, not only would 32 million people lose health care, according to the Congressional Budget Office, but LGBTs would be disproportionately affected. And “disproportionately affected” is a phrase which here means “get sick and die.” For example, HIV treatment can cost thousands of dollars per month. Insurance companies that don’t want to pay for that treatment could just refuse to cover all gay people on the basis that gay men are more likely to be HIV positive. Or they could raise monthly premiums just for gays. Or they could create a lifetime cap, so you pay into their system and then as soon as you need expensive treatment, they drop you. All this was legal until the ACA banned it.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    On the other hand, the gay population is one of the least obese and least diabetic segments of the population. One public health researcher even said that if it wasn’t for higher rates of STDs and alcohol/drug use, gays on average would be the healthiest demographic in America. But we still have a lot of work to do in those areas.

    • Treant

      Well, that’s true. At 5′ almost-9″ and 170 pounds, I consider myself a complete cow and am on a diet. I’m active. I don’t drink.

      • Todd20036

        I’m 5’6″, and I straddle 140 pounds. I’m active, drink minimally, don’t use drugs.

        But I’m taking an HIV med, which would cost me about $20k annually if it weren’t for insurance.

        But I’m a fed, so the repeal of Obamacare won’t affect me. It also won’t affect any lawmakers, including Trump.

        Funny that.

        • MT YVR

          Yes yes, go back to the straddle thing. (chin in hand) Doooo go on.

          It’s Friday. I have Friday brain. Forgive me? 😉

        • another_steve

          I’m your height, hon… but we won’t discuss my weight.

          What’s your secret? No Oreo cookies?

          Don’t know if I could do that.

          • MT YVR

            Here… I’ll lick off all the icing in the Oreos for you. Just helping, of course.

          • another_steve

            Lol. Thanks. 😉 My husband (a sugar junkie) buys only the “reduced fat” variety of Oreos.

            I’ve looked at the caloric content of those boys.

            Don’t ask.

            I don’t have the heart to discuss with him.

          • MT YVR

            Darlin, I’m 5 ft 10 and I have no idea what the hell I weigh anymore but it’s something between 200 and Airforce One. I smoke, I’m getting older, I drink, I’m poz and I’m a stubborn crank.

            My husband tries to reduce fat shit in my house he’ll be eaten. He knows it. Either don’t bring it in at all, or only the real stuff. And since I eat my feelings… “The chain on my mood swing just snapped. Run.” is a real thing when screwing with ma food. 😉

            lol

          • another_steve

            Totally totally hear you.

            I’m getting to that point in life where quality matters as much — if not more so — as quantity.

            If the decision point is “live to 100 vs. give up gin” — fuck the 100, I say

          • MT YVR

            I fully expect my corpse will have a drink in one hand and a middle finger extended as I’m sent into the crematorium. The resulting booze explosion of blue and green flames will be seen for miles, but it will be WORTH it.

          • another_steve

            Well since we’re into cemetery stories (and this is 100 percent true and may Zeus strike me down dead as I type if it’s not) my husband and I have burial plots reserved in the same New Jersey cemetery where Whitney Houston is buried.

            I kid you not.

            Some day, it will be me, my man, and Whitney girl.

            Forever partying.

          • MT YVR

            Awww

          • TheManicMechanic

            but it’s something between 200 and Airforce One

            You owe me one dry keyboard and beard.

            (*Note to self, stop drinking liquids while in the JMG comment section)

          • MT YVR

            What? Both have frequent flier miles.

            😛

          • Todd20036

            I might have the occasional cookie. But I go to the gym 4x a week – a spin class, a high intensity interval training class, and 2 weight lifting workouts.

            Try snacking on apples, carrots, and air popped popcorn.

            It will fill you up without the calories.

            Also, instead of buying 10 serving bags of chips, buy individual bags. So if you eat one, you are genuinely eating 1 serving.

          • another_steve

            All good advice.

            I’ve discovered the sliced green apples they sell in my local Giant. Tart and juicy. Yum. A good way to fill up without the excess calories.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        The British NHS chart puts you within normal weight. But, yeah, they probably didn’t adjust their chart for gay expectations.

        http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/healthy-living/PublishingImages/weight-chart-377.jpg

        • Treant

          I graduated college at the same height at 117 pounds. Now that was too thin, although I do seem to be genetically predisposed to be on the smaller side.

          Yeah, 170 may be the top edge of normal, but for me? Mooooo. I really do look better at 150.

        • The_Wretched

          I’m “overweight” on the chart, but like BMI, I’m a bit too muscled for these things to read right. I’m around or just under 20% body fat.

        • KCMC

          “gay expectations,” great Dickens-esque porn title?!

        • Stogiebear

          Oh, hallelujah! I’m only obese!!! If anyone else would like to find out their standing in pounds to stone….

          http://www.metric-conversions.org/weight/pounds-to-stones.htm

          • Jerry

            Thanks…I knew what a kilogram was, but have never really understood “stone”.

        • WretchedMouse
      • Boreal

        5’9″, 175 and also active. I DO drink and occasionally smoke pot.

        • Treant

          What are you wearing?

          • Boreal

            ????????

          • Treant

            My height, my weight, sounds hot. What are you wearing? 🙂

          • Boreal

            a thong, jeans and a flannel shirt, baby!

          • Treant

            Ooh, lumbersexual!

          • Boreal

            Women who dress like that here are called Adirondykes.

        • 5-9″, 150#.
          i also have big hands.

          • Boreal

            Me too! 🙂

          • I don’t drink though.

      • Did you remember to deduct 18 pounds for the shoes? 😉

      • Acronym Jim

        You don’t drink? How the hell are you getting through this administration, lithium?

    • Daveed_WOW

      There’s the rub. The punishment (via slow painful death) is in retaliation for STDs and alcohol/drug use.

    • Ninja0980

      Sad to say but until society’s attitude fully changes for us, drug and alcohol abuse will continue to be a problem for the LGBT community.

  • another_steve

    I caught the end of a TV interview with a medical expert, but I think I heard that something like 43,000 Americans — queer and straight — would die as a direct result of the repeal of the ACA.

    Anyone with more info, please add to / correct the above.

    • Gustav2

      That figure is annually, correct?

      • another_steve

        I assume, Gustav.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      I can’t speak to the exact number, but there’s no question there will be a lot of preventable/delayable deaths. It’ll be hard to pin some of them on a lack of health insurance per se, but I hope that doesn’t keep Democrats in Congress from playing that song good and loud.

      These GOP motherfuckers care more about their precious ‘principles’, (free market, ‘choice’, competition, yada yada barf) than real people’s lives.

      • madknits

        Yeah, well one person’s death is a tragedy.
        43,000 is a statistic.
        /s

    • OdieDenCO
      • another_steve

        Thanks for that, Odie.

        It confirms that the projected deaths are per-year (to address Gustav’s question).

        • OdieDenCO

          NP. google is a wonderful thing

    • madknits

      I’ve seen that figure floating around for the last couple of days. Once from a reputable source (which I can’t remember now).

    • KCMC

      Who’s the death panel now? Side-eye to congress.

    • It was estimated that there were some 40-50k preventable deaths in the U.S. every year before ACA due to lack of access to healthcare. Some was because preventable conditions weren’t being caught in time. Some was because a diagnosis of cancer or similar was basically a death sentence.

      All of it was because health insurance premiums were skyrocketing, there were almost no rules on how lousy the insurance could be, people were being refused coverage for shit like being pregnant or having seasonal allergies. Employers were dropping coverage and individuals like myself, an owner of a small business, couldn’t buy insurance at any price.

      The Republicans truly do not give a fuck how many Americans die, as long as they get theirs.

    • Hue-Man

      WaPo:

      The biggest and most definitive study of
      what happens to death rates when Medicaid coverage is expanded,
      published in the New England Journal of Medicine, found that for every
      455 people who gained coverage across several states, one life was saved
      per year. Applying that figure to even a conservative estimate of 20
      million losing coverage in the event of an ACA repeal yields an estimate
      of 43,956 deaths annually.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/23/repealing-the-affordable-care-act-will-kill-more-than-43000-people-annually/?utm_term=.228878860d3e

  • Friday

    Course the Republicans and Christianists just think that’s a feature.

  • Daveed_WOW

    This is all by design. Transgressors are to be punished. They can’t actually execute us, so it’s slow murder instead. I’m not kidding. There is a clear line between religion based executions (based on conscience) through the deliberate indignities inflicted on women and minorities.

    • Todd20036

      Except HIV affects straight people too.
      But no one cares because only HIV affects gays and other people who deserve to catch it.
      Just ask any Trumpanzee about HIV

      • MT YVR

        Remember the whole “so do you have the good AIDS or the bad AIDS?” days? I imagine that’s coming back as an actual criteria for care.

      • Daveed_WOW

        …notice how they always distinguish “innocent” (straight) people with AIDS from all the rest.

  • zhera

    OT: I have to laugh. The two Americans on my facebook, who are superduper anti-Hillary, have ‘taken a break’ from facebook because they can’t handle the anger they see there.

    Can you say snowflakes?

    • Boreal

      I had a friend do the same after I contacted them to ask why they had liked DJT’s facebook page.

      • Joe in PA

        But the other side…I un-friended a social acquaintance (gay) after he posted some Benghazi bullshit. Among other things. I don’t want to see it. Guess I’m the snowflake. 🙁

        • Treant

          “Not tolerating being lied to” is not “snowflake.” It’s just sensible.

        • zhera

          Not tolerating bullshit makes you a decent person. The snowflakes are whining about ‘language’, and ‘we didn’t do this when Obama was elected’.

          The hell they didn’t!

          • Steverino

            And Obama was duly and fairly elected, in spite of the usual GOP shenanigans. Trump’s “election” was the result of hostile foreign influence and massive cheating through voter suppression (targeting especially the “swing” states), even more so than usual. Essentially, it was and is, a proto-fascist coup.

      • zhera

        The ironic part is that up until the election they were (well, mostly one of them) very political on fb, posting all sorts of RW memes. Now? Crickets.

        I’ve removed them from my feed but haven’t unfriended them. Despite their political leanings they are very nice people. It’s hard to wrap my mind around it!

        • Boreal

          I unfriended 6 stealth trumpanzees yesterday.

          • Joe in PA

            I like the description “stealth”. So true. I’m willing to give them the benefit of “stupidity” but when they knowingly post some bullshit…I’m done.

        • Gustav2

          The hubby would have to unfriend his whole family in rural small town Ohio. They have always been nice to us, they don’t make the connection.

          • Tom000

            I have the same problem, except it’s MY family. I’m just not nice to them anymore. (And they hate me for it.)

          • Todd N. Law

            I unfriend my hubby and all his family. I told him if your kin voted for him I don’t need to see your posts to them.

          • Jacquelynjburch

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    • Lars Littlefield

      “Greene told police he was robbed by a male about 5 feet 5 inches tall who was wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt and black pants, according to the incident report.” Why didn’t he also describe the type and color of underwear the young robber was wearing? So many questions. LOL!

      • Boreal

        ????

        • Lars Littlefield

          Woops! Wrong comment. My bad.

          • Boreal

            Edit: sorry I see you were referring to That _Looks Delicious’ comment.

          • Lars Littlefield

            It’s Friday. I’m old. Disqus keeps jumping around. My feet hurt. I’m bald. My feet hurt. Arthur Itis is being mean to me. I haven’t had enough alcohol. The drugs have worn of . . . etc. Pick any and all that you think may apply to me. I’ll admit to them.

          • Gustav2

            And you grew up Lutheran I would bet.

          • Lars Littlefield

            That’s a bullet I was fortunate to miss. Missed the who Christian thing, too. 🙂

          • Boreal

            I’m drinking, any of those work. 😉

          • Lars Littlefield

            Yes. Alcohol is a wonderful thing. I’m sucking down my first of several Negra Modelos today. So rich. So meaty. 😉

          • Boreal

            La Fin Du Monde for me.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Le Fin de Cheri por moi.

          • Acronym Jim

            If you hover your cursor over the down arrow to the right of your comment, it will give you the option to delete it.

            Of course, that would rob the rest of us of the amusement of reading confused responses or tending forth our own snark.

    • Most of the country is anti-Hillary, but even more of the country is Anti-Trump.

      • Bill_Perdue

        ”The latest ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll finds Hillary Clinton is seen unfavorably by 60% of likely voters in the latest results, a new high. Trump is seen unfavorably by essentially as many — 58%.

        Marking the depth of these views, 49% see Clinton “strongly” unfavorably, and 48% say the same about Trump –- unusual levels of strong sentiment.

        Trump is quickly becoming very unpopular and the same would have been true of H Clinton because the two are as indistinguishable as the parties they represent.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    O/T- I’m shocked, shocked I am, that this happened to a Republican elected official.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/ga-gop-lawmaker-recovering-after-being-shot-at-adult-cinema-parking-lot-carrying-thousands-in-cash/

    • Boreal

      Oops.

    • Lars Littlefield

      “Greene told police he was robbed by a male about 5 feet 5 inches tall who was wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt and black pants, according to the incident report. Why didn’t he also describe the color and brand of underwear the young robber was wearing. So many questions. ¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?

      • Randy Left Brooklyn

        It was too dark in the both to see that. And the guy’s cock was too enchanting.

    • TampaDink

      Naturally, anyone would take a sack full of cash that had been collected for storm victims into a liquor store….but definitely not into an adult theater. Makes perfect southern republican sense.

    • OdieDenCO

      was the cash all ones?

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        LOL. And I’m in an airport; people are staring.

        • OdieDenCO

          smile and wave. it’ll drive them nuts or you just might find a friend.

    • djcoastermark

      Well I’ll be, will wonders never cease. Love some of the comments over there btw. Some of them are snarkier than a Baptist in a…….

    • KCMC

      ZOMG. Comments.
      I’m not saying that Green is a LYING CLOSET CASE, but thanks to
      Google Maps Street View, it’s clear to see that Foxes Cinema is a
      stand-alone building. To the right is a small building with a sign
      reading “Exotic Leather and Lingerie.” To the left is the Carousel Bar
      with exotic dancers. To the left of the Carousel stripper bar is a
      liquor store.

      I’m guessing the gunman had to knock Green’s mouth off his dick.

  • geoffalnutt

    Republicans: “Die and die quickly, faggots!”

  • Tomcat

    Well Trump it has been 7 days now and God still has you beat. You slacker you.

  • Mickey Bitsko
  • fuzzybits

    OT: What a fucking vile woman! https://youtu.be/LwFDx9fRvjw

    • The_Wretched

      Hadn’t heard from her in a while. i thought she was done. I guess we should start our bowing down practice.

      • PickyPecker

        Wasn’t she hired to conduct WhiteHouse tours or something?

        • fuzzybits

          She explains it in the video. And then attacks Joy near the end.

      • Millstone

        Her official title is “Assistant to the President and Director of Communications for the Office of Public Liaison.”

        She’s also an ordained Baptist minister. And a total bitch.

    • PickyPecker
    • Boreal
      • fuzzybits

        Ummmm,it’s close.

      • Treant

        Are there any photos of Trump where he looks like he actually understands what’s going on around him?

        …didn’t think so.

        • Boreal

          Welcome to the era of rhetorical questions. 🙂

          • Treant

            I think of them as “alt-questions.”

        • President Derp.

    • Treant

      Imma gonna call her “Openforbusiness Mangina.”

      • djcoastermark

        I’m stealing that one. 🙂

      • Snarkaholic

        I like “Ominous Man-gut”.

    • Robert Conner

      Omarosa’s an ordained Baptist preacher woman. Long story short, crazy as a shithouse rat.

      • Snarkaholic

        And far less pretty!

  • Mark

    FWIW – If ACA does get repealed….anyone who has served in the military with any thing other than dis-honorable discharge, can get health coverage via the VA. It may not be in a fancy building, but it will get prescrips covered with a very small co-pay. If you qualify, don’t overlook an important benefit.

    I should add: depending on your distance to a VA facility (I think it is 30 miles) you may also qualify to go to any doctor of your choice.

    Second add: If you were tossed out under the old ‘no homo’ laws – contact the VA to get it removed from you DD214 and your discharge (i think) can be adjusted accordingly.

    • Joe in PA

      Ding ding ding…we have a winner. I’ve been covered by the VA for about 10 years. Granted I haven’t needed a ton of care, but what I received was top notch.

      • Mark

        Been with them for two years now. Top care. Excellent staff and facility in Bonham, Tx. $8 prescription copay. Can’t beat it.

        • Joe in PA

          $8? Mine in $9. 🙂

    • OdieDenCO

      damn! I forgot about the veteran benefits. I have full coverage thru my employer but with donny going on the trade war path, I never know if the job will be there next week. thanks.

  • ErikDC

    If the ACA is repealed, isn’t it possibly (even likely) insurance companies will decide gay men taking PrEP are too costly and just cancel their coverage instead?

    • Friday

      They’re going to decide a *lot* of people are ‘too costly’ to give them the coverage they paid for, that’s a big part of why we needed at least Obamacare in the first place: a few people might have been paying a bit *less* but in fact getting nothing for it, come down to it.

    • If ACA is repealed and we return to the status quo ante, a few things will happen, and not just to gay men taking PrEP:

      – People will be unable to get new insurance due to preexisting condition disqualifications, often for trivial stuff, because as I personally learned, if it isn’t a cured infection or injury, that makes it ‘chronic’, and therefore they do not want you. As many here already know, my disqualifying conditions were migraines and seasonal allergies, both treated only occasionally with prescriptions.

      – We will see a return of annual and lifetime benefit caps. Basically, if a gay man taking PrEP, you’d probably see your insurance nullify itself within months.

      – Premiums, instead of remaining somewhat under control, will resume the hyperinflation we were seeing until ACA was passed. What this would mean for gay men, probably, is they’d see through the rest of this year, then be presented with a premium increase of 3-4x current amounts or more…or just a flat out cancellation of a particular ‘plan’, with an invitation to reapply for a new plan, which would then be immediately rejected.

      • Jerry

        “You didn’t tell us about the broken arm when you were 15, therefore we are unable to cover your cancer treatments.”

  • Belthazar

    There are no depths to which they will sink.

    CDC Cancels LGBT Youth Healthcare Summit, Despite High HIV Rates:

    https://thepridela.com/2017/01/cdc-cancels-lgbt-youth-healthcare-summit-despite-high-hiv-rates/

    • Mark

      The right wing homophobes are out to kill.

      We CAN do this with us+allies support:

      On Thursday, the Human Rights Campaign announced it
      has partnered with the Elton John AIDS Foundation for the second year
      for an “intensive, capacity-building fellowship program for young
      leaders at the front lines of the fight to end the spread and stigma of
      HIV.” HRC’s HIV 360° Fellowship program
      will focus on the challenges of those communities hit hardest by HIV,
      “including Black and Latino gay and bisexual men, transgender women of
      color, and LGBTQ people living in the South.”

      Of course, if HRC would knock it off with the galas and balls – even more funding would be available……

  • Ninja0980

    But LGBT people are being thrown off rooftops in the Middle East so you should just shut up about the stuff being done here!*
    * Snark.

  • Lars Littlefield

    “Thanks for the inhaler . . .” Poor kid. Matt sort of looks like he might be a tad asthmatic. Still, I doubt we need to handle him with kid gloves. 🙂

  • Bill_Perdue

    We need socialized medicine, especially for people with catastrophic conditions, for preventive medicine and to help guarantee good nutrition and good housing.

    The promise fop a public option was betrayed by Democrats in the WH and Congress and and Republicans in Congress during 2009-2010.

    Trump and Republicans in Congress will have little trouble getting rid of or drastically modifying Obamacare, because it’s a failure. They wouldn’t be able to get rid of Medicare for all or socialized medicine without sparking a revolution.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acc6Wn_BWlk

    • leastyebejudged

      Even you don’t name the people most responsible for what’s happened.

      The pharmaceutical, medical, and insurance lobbies are responsible for the ACA failing. The medical community in particular always gets a pass for their role in continually ripping off the nation, for their role in profiteering and exploitation, and a quality of medical care that is NOT comparable to the top rated nations.

      • Bill_Perdue

        “The pharmaceutical, medical, and insurance” companies and their lobbyists own the Democrat and Republican parties and are jointly responsible for the failure of medical care in the US.

        Obamacare, a boon for superprofiteering by those corporations, is a step backward, not an opening for improvement. It’s demise will expose millions to even more exploitation by the health care industry and will cost the Republicans dearly just as Obamacare’s failure is costing the Democrats dearly.

        On 05 15 2016 Gallup noted that ”Majority in U.S. Support Idea of Fed-Funded Healthcare System

        •58% favor replacing the ACA with federally funded healthcare system

        •About half would also be OK with keeping the ACA as is

        •Separate question shows that just over half would favor repealing the ACA … Americans are split on the idea of maintaining the ACA as it is, with 48% in favor and 49% opposed. The slight majority, 51%, favor repealing the act.http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

        Obama took about $20 million in bribes and had a couple of dozen secret meetings with the owners of HMOs and Big Pharma and then he scuttled single payer. “The new figure, obtained by Raw Story through an independent custom research request performed by the Center for Responsive Politics — a nonprofit, nonpartisan group that tracks money in politics — is the most comprehensive breakdown yet available of healthcare industry contributions to Obama during the 2008 election cycle. Currently, the Center’s website shows that Obama received $19,462,986 from the health sector, which includes health professionals ($11.7m), health services/HMOs ($1.4m), hospitals/nursing homes ($3.3m) and pharmaceuticals/health products ($2.1m).http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/01/12/obama-received-20-million-healthcare-industry-money-2008/

        “While he was getting those bribes, mislabeled “campaign contributions” he was having secret meetings with the health care sector of the .01% . LA Times July 22, 2009 “the Obama administration has turned down a request from a watchdog group for a list of health industry executives who have visited the White House to discuss the massive healthcare overhaul. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington sent a letter to the Secret Service asking about visits from 18 executives representing health insurers, drug makers, doctors and other players in the debate.”

        Obama, Ryan, Trump and the Democrats and Republicans are criminals for denying health care to working people.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e8e746311437738d077a0424db258abd063c73bc90be837c56477eb2f2ba8e6.jpg

  • Robert Conner

    ACA, which is corporate welfare for insurance companies (with some restrictions), was never the answer. Single payer affordable national healthcare is the answer, was always the answer, and always will be the answer. Sadly, “single payer,” “affordable,” and “national” are what the insurance corporations and Republicans are determined will never, ever, ever happen. Ever. Meanwhile, the Ayn Randians of the GOP are determined to destroy every part of the national safety net, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, federal employee benefits and anything else that does not directly contribute to the increased wealth of billionaires.

  • Six Pins Delores

    Despite $, EVERYONE should be entitled to health care

  • SDG

    I don’t want to know what they are going to do to Ryan White and ADAP!!!