House Democrats Mull Electoral College Challenge

Politico reports:

Several House Democrats are weighing a formal challenge to Donald Trump’s election on Friday, when Congress meets in joint session to certify Trump’s Electoral College victory. Reps. Ed Perlmutter of Colorado, Bobby Scott of Virginia [photo] and Jamie Raskin of Maryland are among a group of Democrats eyeing challenges.

Members have the right to lodge those protests when Congress officially counts the electoral votes on Friday. But for the protests to have any effect on the proceedings, they’ll need to secure the backing of at least one senator, and it’s unclear whether any Senate Democrats are weighing a similar challenge.

Either way, there’s effectively no chance the protests will alter the actual election outcome, given Republican control of Congress. Instead, the effort could give Democrats a new venue to protest Trump’s victory. And if the Democrats can secure a senator’s support, the challenges could delay the certification of Trump’s victory for hours while the House and Senate separately debate the merits of each protested electoral college vote.

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  • The_Wretched

    Less mulling, more being decisive please.

    • Acronym Jim

      Mulling is for wine.

    • JR

      Thank you. I’m tired of them being a pack of impotent, spineless do-nothings. Fight back and resist at EVERY turn!

      Didn’t they see what the Republicans tried to pull Monday night? You can’t let ANYTHING slide.

  • Gene Perry

    Challenging Donny’s electors is an exercise in futility, but, still, it would be fun to watch (especially the FOX news “reporting”)!

  • Chucktech

    I don’t give the first fuck whether it will do any good or not.

    Resist, resist, resist.

    • billbear1961

      Hear, HEAR!!

    • AW

      No breaks given, no compromise. Make that word just as dirty to dems as it is to republicans because the republicans are not good people. They are evil assholes.

    • clay

      Even if the GOP doesn’t let them win, it would still do some good.

      • Chucktech

        It’s called “going down swinging.”

        • clay

          I prefer “staying in for the third round”.

    • perversatile

      Here’s How We Prepare to Be Ungovernable in 2017
      ”We cannot and should not legitimize the transfer of authority to a right-wing populist who has neo-fascist orientations.” – Kali Akuno

    • Christopher
      • Guest

        Love this. It looks like every race, black, Asian, Latino, and our community too. The colors are all minorities. It needs another fist, a pasty white fist to, to show those worried white people that they are included.

        That worried middle class, job loss and white folks leaving Obama for the messaging of the left Trump stole is what lost Hillary the election.

    • Kim K’s Kute Koochy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      I 100% support this. Time to remind Dems they lost Gore 2000 election bc NO senator had any ball to sign at the time

    • JCF
    • Guest

      It is past 30 years for the left to act like the right and obstruct if it does not help the cause and county. I know the left has been the adults and governed, but it was the right with their governmemt shutdown, sequestration, and austerity that hurt our recovery and credit rating. The left always caves.

      I expect Chuckie shummer to cave too. Watch Trump get his judicial nominees.

      If it was illegal, then lawsuit time. Prevent Trump from being sworn in. Do it and more to make the right see what it was like, not like the right will care.

      As Bill Maher said, the right had the tea baggers, ( called themselves that first), tea party and the left needs the Donner party. A good video to search for.

  • matrem

    That would require Dem legislators to grow a pair.

  • Bill #drain that swamp?

    Their leadership structure should be challenged before anything.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    I got this twitter notification too.

  • Blake J Butler

    O/T: HA! Tucker Carlson is getting Megyn Kelly’s time slot.

    • Blackfork

      Grabbed her by the time slot.

    • WNY

      A pretty blonde with big tits replaced with a single boob with a bow tie.

  • Rex

    Do it.
    Trump and the republicans would.

  • Rex

    Challenge Twitler and the rest of the Republicans at every possible opportunity.
    No more Mr. Nice Guy, Dems.

    • Cackalaquiano

      My thought too. Delay everything.

    • (((GC)))

      And on Friday NOT ONE Democratic Senator had the SPINE to join the House Democrats who were ready to file a formal objection to tRump’s electoral votes! This despite tRump’s unconstitutional foreign entanglements, despite Russian interference in our election ordered by Putin himself, despite a long campaign of racist voter suppression tactics (purges from sloppy Crosscheck matches were enough to hand tRump an electoral college victory), and despite at least 50 Republican electors technically being illegitimately seated.

      Not the kind of thing that makes me eager to donate to or volunteer for Democrats again!

  • Bared Bear

    What we need is a goddamn witch to come in and smear some ass against the walls…

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    RESISTANCE…is not futile. #VigilanceAndVoices

  • Ninja0980

    Republicans did the same to Obama for eight years.
    Time for us to return the favor.

    • pj

      i didnt know that. fuck em

  • billbear1961
  • Richard

    There’s gotta be at least one Democrat Senator willing to show some cajones !

    • Christopher

      I would hope that Elizabeth Warren would take this up.

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    That is right, Dem legislators. Keep banging your heads against the wall and waste time and effort on a constitutional amendment THAT WILL NEVER PASS. In the meantime Obamacare, Medicare, Social Security, the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act will all be repealed.

    • Um, this isn’t a Constitutional amendment which would be debated, but the legitimacy of the Electoral College electors — or a significant number of them anyway who, in typical Trumpian / GOP fashion, believe that following the rules and the laws of this nation is entirely optional for them. Including fiddly details here like whether the electors THEY picked to stand for THEIR candidate for President were in fact eligible.

      All that’s needed to make the public spectacle of reminding the American public that the GOPers can’t be bothered to follow the election rules and laws is one Representative and one Senator. It further ties the coming criminal and likely treasonous presidency of the orange madman directly to them, the Republicans.

      That said, do I think the Dems have the backbone and guts to do this? Nope.

  • Dot Beech

    Bless them. So what if it fails (as it probably will.) Make the case. Present the arguments. Do it all on the Congressional record. Preserve the information for history.

  • Rex

    trump needs to enter the White House as the most hated and despised president ever elected.

    • Mission Accomplished.

      • Christopher

        I vaguely remember a banner with those words on it.

  • Bluto

    Grow some goddamn spines!

  • dr morbius

    Dems doing an absolutely *awesome* job of pursuing NO-WIN strategies since November 8. Christ, we’re doomed.

  • BobSF_94117

    You’d think they could at least leverage the threat and get an independent counsel to investigate the Russian hacking.

  • safari

    Will it change anything about the outcome? No.

    But neither did 8 Benghazi hearings about what happened in Benghazi, yet it was still used to the GOP’s advantage.

  • Mike__in_Houston

    No, of course they aren’t going to do anything. (1) It would be rocking the boat; (2) the Republicans might not like it; (3) Trump might send out a mean tweet.

    I have a better idea. How about if instead the Democrats write a weally, weally strongly worded letter expressing their disappointment and ask that it not happen again?

    • safari

      …and then never mail it.

    • missmobtown

      Seems like a fine time for a freshly sworn-in senator to make a stand. Kamala Harris, I’m looking at you.

      • Bob Conti

        My thoughts exactly.

  • Ernest Endevor

    This could upset the president-elect.

    • safari

      …so could yet another performer refusing to sing at his party.

      • Ernest Endevor

        People can be so unkind.

    • clay

      I’m sure he’ll release a massive tweet.

      • BudClark

        Or shit his Depends.

        • clay

          Not the same thing?

    • Chucktech


  • BobSF_94117

    You’d think with everything he’s said and done and now the threats to hobble the intelligence agencies at least some GOPers would be getting nervous.

  • DaddyRay

    I say we use this for the same amount of years they challenged Obama’s birth certificate

    • billbear1961

      The difference being OUR complaints are legitimate, fully justified by the FACTS and by the LAW.

      Long live the REPUBLIC–either WE save it, or it’s DEAD!!

  • andrew

    IMO, it’s a bad idea. It has zero chance of changing the outcome of the Electoral College vote and will just be used by Republicans to accuse Democrats of being sore losers.

    • safari

      I don’t care what the GOP thinks. I want the thought of his illegitimacy haunting him forever.

      And I want the dems to act like they have the ability to stand up and do something even if it results in nothing. It’d be quite refreshing.

    • DaddyRay

      Anything that questions his legitimousy is fair game is my opinion

      • andrew

        Maybe so.

    • Uh huh. Like the GOPers haven’t spent the last eight years being sore fucking losers…

      Honestly, I don’t give a fuck what the Republicans accuse the Dems of doing. Because they make up lies that are worse than any truth anyway.

  • Bob Conti

    At first I thought why bother, but then, why make it easy? Why not make a record of how this man ascended illegitimately to become POTUS?

    • JWC

      where in the last 8 Year has the GOP made anything easy In fucking Obama they fucked the country and now its “OK lets get over it”

  • DaddyRay

    Ask yourself if the republicans would have just let it go and you have your answer

  • clay

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  • JT
    • billbear1961

      And the corporate media are their allies.

      This failure of “journalists”–the great bulk of them–to do their JOBS is the MAIN reason–not the ONLY reason, but the MAIN one–why I believe we are going to LOSE our democracy.

  • David

    Well that has a ZERO percent chance of passing.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Thats the problem with Democrats. Mulling.

  • Lazycrockett

    For this to get any traction there also has to be a Senator that objects.

  • Mike C

    Wow. I’m so impressed. Again, we need new Democrats. These expired ones are starting to smell.

  • dr morbius

    Some Dem RESULTS for y’all (and Republicans approve, if they’d admit it):

  • Republicans spent the last eight years spreading the lie that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii. They also have lied about just about everything else…which when you think about it, might just be why they were so comfortable nominating and then helping to elect the Pathological-Liar-in-Chief who’ll be inaugurated in a few weeks.

    Will Democrats have the stones to spread the truth that Republicans play so fast and loose with election laws when it comes to their own, they won’t even bother to follow the form and letter of these laws? I doubt it. ‘Feckless’ is their watchword now.

    I had to laugh the other day when Chuck Schumer expressed all kind of outrage, saying he’d fight them, that now wasn’t the time for mere words. When ‘mere words’ is exactly all he’s offered so far.

    • dr morbius

      Count on Schmuck for nothing. Politicians don’t lead, they follow.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        It’s up to us to push them

  • Charlie In SF

    You know damn well, were the situation reversed, the Republicans would. The problem w/ Dems is that we’re to nice.

    • Well, yeah. Hell, before the election, they were saying if their candidate won the popular vote but not the Electoral College, they were going to challenge the results.

  • Snownova

    Honestly the focus needs to be on getting rid of that whole Electoral College debacle.

    • Gianni

      Frankly, YES!

  • “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…”

    Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

    I do not consent. The powers just seized by the Republicans and Putin’s personal ass-puppet are in no way just.

  • clay

    BTW, It doesn’t have to be a Dem Senator. hint, hint.

    • Totally true. But as cowardly as the Dems have been through all of this, the Republicans are even worse. A lot of ’em know deep down this is going to be a nightmare for the nation, and quite possibly for them as individuals and for their party in the long run. However, at this point they’re like a dog who’s tasted the lethal poison in the lump of hamburger, yet they just can’t stop themselves from scarfing every last bit of it down anyway. Because hamburger. (Only here, it’s the White House.)

      Meanwhile, the Dems, off to the side are vowing to fight with…words and sternly worded letters and all kinds of “I’ll give you such a pinch!” empty threats.

      If there’s a challenge, it’ll be some Dem, maybe. Frankly, I doubt they have the guts either.

      • clay

        (two Independents)

        • canoebum

          Bernie did say, repeatedly, that he would do whatever was in his power to prevent Donald Trump from becoming President. I say now is as good a time as he’ll ever get to fulfill that promise.

          • LaChatSayWha

            This seems like a perfect opportunity for Bernie to walk his talk. What’s he waiting for? He’s nearing his retirement date, and he’s yet to stand up for the common people. C’mon, Bernie, what do you have to lose? I’ve actually been a little baffled at his inactivity. The big tweet was nice I guess, but asking dUmp to treat his campaign lies as promises is either cynical grandstanding or mystifying naïveté.

  • Here is the real issue: “Specifically, at least 16 electors lived outside the congressional districts they represented in violation of state statutory residency requirements, and at least 34 electors held dual offices, in direct violation of statutes prohibiting dual-office holding,” the briefing’s executive summary says, noting this violates two sections of the U.S. Constitution. Then there’s Cross Check which illegally removed over 1 million minority voters from roles.

  • Richard B

    Democrats – Between Russian hacking interference, republican voter suppression, and we are now learning the electoral college was stacked improperly with Trump supporters, it is time to wake up and take action. Our presidential election was unfairly stolen from us by our enemies. We should vigorously challenge the electoral college’s selection and fully adjudicate this in a federal courtroom. Even if the effort proves to be futile due to politics, it will remind the public, Trump’s presidency is illegitimate for many reasons and the masses need to be reminded over and over again, Trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in our nation’s history – there is no mandate.

  • Ross
  • Gerry Fisher

    There’s no downside, succeed or fail. Just do it. Why the mulling?

    • Beagle

      Depends on the reason. It’s perfectly reasonable for Representatives and Senators to review so they can challenge only those votes that are actually illegal. It’s fair not to rely entirely on one or two media reports, especially in an era where “fake news” is a thing. On the other hand, if they aren’t sure whether to spend political capital to challenge illegal votes, then they deserve all the scorn they get.

  • Mark

    Well, here’s your last chance Fancy – don’t let us down.

  • Lawerence Collins

    This kind of talk is why Democratic Neoliberal establishment losers have to be primaried and gotten rid of.

  • MarkBuster

    They should rename it the “Do we ever want a chance at a Non New Yorker, young person’s vote again” bill.

  • Ore Carmi

    I called my senators and representative and asked them to back this challenge!

  • David Milley

    Dear Senator Booker,

    Circumstances surrounding the presidential election of last November have, time and time again, raised questions about the validity of its results. The latest perturbation arises from the discovery that “more than 50 members of the Electoral College were ineligible to serve as presidential electors because they did not live in the congressional districts they represented or held elective office in states legally barring dual officeholders.” (source:

    If nothing is done, in two weeks a wildly unqualified man will assume the office of the Presidency, having successfully manipulated the system to cheat his way into the Oval Office. Our country is running out of options.

    It’s my understanding that members of Congress can, on the basis of the invalidly seated members, challenge the validity of the result of the Electoral College vote, but that to go forward, such a challenge would require participation of a U.S. Senator, such as yourself.

    Please challenge the Electoral College result. This is not the time for inaction; history will not thank the Senators who permitted Donald Trump to ascend to the Presidency without making every effort to prevent it.

    Thank you for your time.

    • David Milley

      And have sent similar emails to Senator Menendez and Representative Norcross.

  • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

    We need to arm-twist our state legislatures into binding the electoral vote to the popular vote.

    Oh, and call your congress critter and gripe about Electoral College reform too. Actually call them and gripe about everything and anything GOP related.

  • SDG

    Ya, good luck with that. The Dems now have NO power! They totally FUCKED it when they had the chance. Always playing it safe. Now… they are living in Trumpistan.

  • stuckinthewoods

    I called Sen. Tim Kaine’s office to point out that no other Senator has more legitimacy to challenge this Electoral vote and I expected him to do so. (I refrained from pointing out his miserable debate performance hadn’t helped the election results at all but that’s another matter.)