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Breitbart Features Sponsored Post From “Christian Healthshare” As Major Advertisers Stay Away

Late last month Breitbart called on their millions of readers to boycott Kellogg’s after the cereal giant declined to continue advertising with them. Unsurprisingly, Breitbart’s “advertise with us or else” threat did not sit well with other major brands, virtually all of whom have since abandoned the site. Today Breitbart’s front page contains yet another attack on Kellogg’s, below which is this sponsored pitch from a company offering something called “Christian health sharing.” An excerpt:

As a Christian healthcare sharing ministry, Liberty HealthShare facilitates the sharing of medical costs between its members, like-minded individuals who have committed to shoulder one another’s eligible healthcare costs as a group. Of course each individual has his or her own story, but Liberty believes there are a few key reasons why its members have chosen to approach healthcare costs in this unique way.

For starters, Americans are tired of being told what to think and do. Liberty HealthShare believes people are smart enough to choose what is best for them and their families. As a matter of fact, the ministry functions best when its members prize personal responsibility.

Secondly, Liberty believes people care about each other. Despite the things that divide our diverse nation, if you ask most people, they genuinely want to help one another. Healthcare sharing is necessarily about community. It’s about being there to help one another when circumstances take an unexpected turn.

Thirdly, Americans want to know where their money is going and why. The divide between patients, their doctors, and insurance companies is now massive. This has made it so that neither doctors nor patients feel they have a real stake in the cost of care. Prices are arbitrarily set, and layers of bureaucracy make it nearly impossible for patients to intelligently shop around. Making matters worse, insurance companies answer to shareholders, not patients. Participating in a healthcare sharing ministry puts control back in the hands of members and allows them to bring their doctors along as they approach their healthcare costs in a revolutionary way.

From Wikipedia:

Some states have tried to block health care sharing ministries on the grounds that they are selling unauthorized insurance. A majority of states, however, have enacted safe harbor laws specifying that the ministries are not insurance and do not need to be regulated as such. However, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services issues exemption letters to ministries that have met the criteria to operate independently of the Affordable Care Act.

Most ministries are oriented toward practicing Christians, with restrictions like abstaining from sex outside of marriage, excessive drinking, tobacco, and illegal drugs. They usually require members to make a statement of belief as well. For instance Samaritan Ministries requires a statement of Christian faith including belief in the triune God and divinity of Jesus; Liberty HealthShare is more inclusive, accepting members with a wide variety of religious and ethical beliefs. All such ministries require that members subscribe to the ethical principles of individually responsibility for health, and helping others in need.

Over 428K have signed Breitbart’s pledge to boycott Kellogg’s, but the company’s stock price has not been affected.

  • tcinsf

    “Christian Healthshare” – you mean you can pay for a prayer-chain?

  • Bared Bear

    “… helping others in need.” Bullshit.

    • Ray Butlers

      Not really. The others in need are the shareholders of the ministry. That tax exemption represents about 20% in increased owner’s equity. Image how much money YOU would have if you didn’t pay taxes.

  • bkmn

    There is no end to the ways Christians can be scammed.

    • Ray Butlers

      It’s the original pyramid scheme. This is why war is often fought along religious lines. The victors get all the spoils. BOOM!

      • The Return of Traxley

        You mean the grain storage scheme?

        • jsmukg

          I want to see the enclosed grain elevators.

    • edrex

      the training goes back for generations and is VERY comprehensive.

      • CanuckDon

        “Leave the thinking up to us.”

        • Snarkaholic

          “And how DARE you question us in the first place?!?”

    • Joe in PA

      Next thing you know they’ll be going to a “theme park” with an ark or something.

    • Snarkaholic

      We should try this, too. “Invent” a special pin that they can wear…it emits a special ‘no homo zone’ scent* that keeps gehys from approaching/converting them.
      We’ll make a fortune!
      *Refills sold separately…supplies are limited…order now before you run out and become ghey bait!!!!!

      • olandp

        Ladybird Bachmann would order by the truckload.

    • jimbo65

      Mm hmm. Look no further than Jim Bakker’s fall out shelter freeze dried food or silver cream for Mrsa etc

  • Hey, if their god wants them to be sick, they shouldn’t fight it.

    • Fifth-and-a-Half Element

      Kinda like Jesus’ parable about God sending a helicopter to save a man trapped on his roof during a flood.

      Or something.

      • The man didn’t have enough faith to walk on the water to safety, so Jesus let him drown. Besides, he wasn’t Catholic.

      • Robincho

        I’ve seen apples that are more parable than that…

    • DumbHairyApe

      And, they better damn well NOT rely on any of that SCIENCE stuff to find themselves a cure!

      • clay

        Makes me wonder if they cover reimbursements for faith healing.

        • Joe in PA

          LOL, the “laying on of hands” can get really expensive. Oh, and what about the cost of snakes? They can’t be cheap.

      • Snarkaholic

        But if you pay an additional $79.99, they’ll mail you a dozen leeches (the kind that don’t wear suits).
        Attach them to the afflicted site, and then read the enclosed brochure, requesting additional payments.

    • Michael R

      Any reason to get off their asses is null and void :
      Matthew 21:22
      And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.

      Any problems ?
      Not enough faith , oops .

    • The Return of Traxley

      JESUS IS MUH HEALTH CARE

  • james1200

    Nazi losers! Bwhahahaha!

    https://markets.ft.com/data/equities/tearsheet/forecasts?s=K:NYQ

    “As of Dec 24, 2016, the consensus forecast amongst 20 polled investment analysts covering Kellogg Company advises investors to hold their position in the company. This has been the consensus forecast since the sentiment of investment analysts deteriorated on Nov 15, 2011. The previous consensus forecast advised that Kellogg Company would outperform the market.”

  • mikeinrkfd

    Sounds kinda communist to me.

    • CanuckDon

      Sounds kinda universal heath care-ish too…but only to those we like.

      • Uncle Mark

        Is birth control covered, HPV vaccines, PrEP? Will they cover any STD treatment (or only in cases if my wife cheated on me)?

        • Joe in PA

          Hey, he did add the qualifying ‘ish’, ok? :)

        • Menergy

          Of course not!!!

        • CanuckDon

          We said to only those we like!

          • Uncle Mark

            So they don’t cover any of the “-ish” then after all !!

          • CanuckDon

            Unless “PrEP” has something to do with baking, we’re not interested!

        • Chucktech

          Those are all diseases of the devil, so of course not.

  • DumbHairyApe

    Gee, I wonder how long before this Ponzi schemed ministry will be discovered to be a fraudulent ministry that is just fleecing those who join it?

    • Martin

      I just read the Wikipedia article on health care sharing ministries, and was flabbergasted that they are accommodated by the Affordable Care Act.

    • OdieDenCO

      the RC church has been on the take for 2 thousand years. they had one dust up with someone nailing posters to a church door in protest. but, it turned out to be the competition trying a market share grab.

  • Fifth-and-a-Half Element

    The New York Times published a feature on this type of pyramid scheme back in March…P.T.Barnum would be proud.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/us/christians-flock-to-groups-that-help-members-pay-medical-bills.html

    • Todd20036

      Basically, no pre existing conditions, no STDs, no tobacco/alcohol/drug related maladies are covered.

      Oh yeah. Sounds real tempting.

      I’m HIV+, their answer would be: you deserve to sicken and die, even though there are medicines that can keep you healthy.

      Real Christian of them – literally.

      • edrex

        basically, they just cover boils and leprosy,and sometimes raise you from the dead, but that’s Premium.

        • Menergy

          LOLOL !

        • edrex

          heh. ..and if you’re blind someone will spit in your eyes, but that considered experimental and is out of network, and comes with a high deductible.

  • Mark Neé Fuzz

    They lost me at “Americans are smart enough.” These are the same people who voted for Trump.

    • Lazycrockett

      Can I get an AMEN up in here.

      • Joe in PA

        Ru, is that you?

      • Phil2u

        “A” the damned “men” !

      • Robincho

        I’d settle for A MAN up in there… 😉

    • Uncle Mark

      …and reading Breitbart

    • clay

      Who promised to eliminate state-level insurance regulation.
      I wonder if they plan to eliminate state-level regulation of education and other human services, as long as claimed as a Christian ministry?

    • zhera

      They lost me at ‘Liberty’. What is it with christianists and their obsession with that word?

      • nocadrummer

        It’s Orwellian “Newspeak”. Oppression is “Liberty”.

      • jmax

        Liberty University
        Liberty Counsel
        Liberty HealthShare
        I see Matt Staver’s liver-spotted hand in this…

        • Rolf

          Hey, my liver spotted hands take offence at your association of spots with being a bigoted shit for brains asshole.

          • jmax

            All apologies. How about “grifting hands” instead : )

      • Guest

        See how far a family with a daughter who was raped and wanted it out of her would get with their rules.

        See how far that child of rape would get if said woman had it. The child would not have 2 ChriSTAIN parents and I bet that breaks a rule so no coverage.

        All these persecution claiming a holes, wanting to use their religion to justify their hate and discrimination of others, are doing is swapping out one set of rules for another. And they are too stupid to realize that in a complex world that is modern society, that they can become the other fast with the religious and Reich wing purity demands

  • Martin

    Note to self: Unwise to launch negotiations with an inescapable ultimatum.

  • Acronym Jim

    “Liberty HealthShare facilitates the sharing of medical costs between its members, like-minded individuals who have committed to shoulder one another’s eligible healthcare costs as a group.”

    So, Communism?

    • NO MORE GOP!

      Exactly.

  • Ben in Oakland

    It seems that healthcare sharing has a name. It’s called “insurance.”

    • Todd20036

      Its also called Obamacare, but that’s evil.

    • DaddyRay

      Yeah but they take chicken heads as payment

      • edrex

        and firstborn males.

        • DaddyRay

          Only if they are white

          • olandp

            They need salves too, Jeebus said that slaves should be obedient to their masters.

      • Todd20036

        Gays have been known to suck cocks, so this can work.

    • Uncle Mark

      Except you only receive prayers as compensation

    • redsxfenway

      But without the whole price negotiation thing.

  • Nowhereman

    So instead of “death panels” made up of insurance company executives, you’d have death panels made up of people telling you to just pray harder?

    • PeterC

      And die sooner ;;Whoope !!

      • Chucktech

        What’s the BFD, you’re going to heaven, aren’t you?

        AREN’T YOU???

        • The Return of Traxley

          Depends on god’s mood at the time. He’s a fickle bitch.

    • Michael White

      I work in Palliative Care and there is not a group more afraid to die the so called christians. They will do what ever torture we can do in the ICU to keep a live an extra few weeks. Maybe we get them better enough to veg in a nursing home until they finally die with stage 4, infected bedsores. But they trusted in god to make them better.

      • Nowhereman

        When my body is done, I just want to go. I watched my mom go through the cancer mill. They resuscitated her against her written wishes and kept her “alive” for about two more weeks, during which she was barely aware. I don’t know how much that cost, but I’m sure they ran her medicare bill up through the roof.

        • Michael White

          Sorry it took me so long to respond. But may I suggest a few things to help you in your wishes? If not ignore me.
          Appoint a healthcare rep who can speak for you if you are unable. Have long and detailed conversations regarding your wishes. It is your life to live. As you have experienced we can keep folks “alive” for a long time. But you have the RIGHT to determine when the burden of treatment is higher than the result.

          A living will is pretty useless because it is for a few specific situations. I spoke with my physician about what is important to me: being able to care for myself; being able to read and comprehend; be able to watch a documentary and understand what it is about.

          Your POA needs to be a strong personality who can stand up for you. If you have the conversation it lightens with burden of those left behind because the POA has the difficult, but loving task of supporting your decision – not make them for you.

          Life is wonderful, but it does come to an end. I plan to bring the curtain down on my show with grace and dignity. With the medications available to help with pain, anxiety, and shortness of breath, there is no reason for someone to suffer at the end.

          Sorry, but this is a topic (actually my job) very dear to my heart. I want folks to die well and in comfort with their loved ones with them

          Remember our health care system is based on fee for service. So physicians, especially those in groups of physcian care centers, will do as much as they can to charge your insurance/Medicare, as much as they can. Rarely has much to do with your wishes/desires.

          • Nowhereman

            Thanks, and it’s been on my mind. I am 65 and don’t have any close friends here anymore and no family to speak of. I really do need to get on that. The nurse practitioner who I see when needed is wonderful, and a strong person. If I get my thoughts on paper I will talk to her about that. I think she’d be willing. It’s just such a hard topic to think to hard about–but I need to.

          • Michael White

            It is a very difficult to talk about. We humans are still very primative and still fear magical thinking:if I think about it I will make it happen.

            Your primary care physician is the best place to start expressing your desires for end of life care. She/he will keep a record of your desires. I don’t know which state you live but each state is different. You can google Five Wishes and this will give you a good starting point.

            I too am 65 and had emergency open heart on July 1. But I am fortunate as I have a husband and sister in town.

            No matter your social circle speak with those who might visit you if ill. It doesn’t hurt to see what resources are available in your area for folks. Planning helps you keep control of your life.

            I don’t know how to give you my email address without making it public on JMJ as we could continue this conversation. I would like to support you in the journey, if you would like. I have theses conversations daily in my job and people tell me I am helpful. We mature gay men have supported each other since we first came out. We will stick together

          • Nowhereman

            Thank you–I do have one younger brother here. And I stay away from doctors. I’m glad I found a Nurse Practitioner who I like and trust.

  • edrex

    didn’t pagans invent medicine?

    • Nowhereman

      They had to!

      • edrex

        xtians wouldn’t let folks dissect human bodies, either.

  • Ninja0980

    Hey, if these people want to pray to Jeebus instead of sucking up health care money, I’m all for it.

  • kaydenpat

    Sounds like a scam.

    • Todd20036

      It easily can be. THey rely a lot on “faith”

  • Michael R

    Technically , what they call ” truth ” should be sponsored by …

    https://s27.postimg.org/xoq3rkq5v/post.png

    • JWC

      an interesting and boring anecdote Kellogg was a doctor/dietician and ran a clinic He had a patient names WH Post The long and short is bothe started cereal company Kellogg eventually suing Post

  • CanuckDon

    “Like-minded individuals” who “are tired of being told what to think or do” in a Christian health sharing plan. You can join but only if you love Jesus and do what the bible says.

    • Menergy

      yep, the irony, it burns!!

  • DumbHairyApe

    Here’s what I image a returned claims form letter would look like:

    “Dear Christian Healthshare Member,

    We’re sorry to hear about your $1,213,347.26 bill for your recent cancer treatment. Enclosed you’ll find a check for $27.32 to defer the costs of your treatment. After we’ve paid our administrative staff their godly wages and our CEO and CFO their ungodly wages and bonuses, that’s what we have left to give to you. We hope you enjoy being a member, we treasure, literally, your contributions.

    Our Prayer Accountants also inform us that, had you prayed harder, more often and sent us more money, we likely would have more to give to you- and God would likely have healed you without the need for our services.

    Won’t you please consider making a one-time special gift to help God help others of $5, $10, $15, $50, $100, $500, $1000, $5000 or whatever your heart leads you to give?

    God Bless,
    Christain Healthshare”

    • zhera

      The short version:

      “We’re sending you our thoughts and prayers in this difficult time. Invoice will be sent seperately.”

      • DumbHairyApe

        You forgot the money-beg. That’s their most important part!!!

        • zhera

          That’s what the invoice is for! 😉

    • CottonBlimp

      I wouldn’t ever advocate murdering these pieces of shit, but I’m not exactly going to cry when they murder each other.

  • Michael R

    Christian Healthcare Ministries is not an insurance company. It is a nonprofit “health care sharing ministry” based in Barberton, Ohio. The cost of membership is far lower than the rates of traditional insurance policies — $45 a month for the cheapest plan — but the ministry makes no guarantees of payment

    • Joe in PA

      but the ministry makes no guarantees of payment….

      Sucker born every minute, eh?

      • Michael R

        One we pay are nonprofit CEO $800,000
        a year ( etc etc ) we’ll see what’s leftover .

      • DumbHairyApe

        And, from an article I read about such “ministries”, they have some “exempt” illnesses…like cancer, because treatment costs are likely way too high.
        And, people who join have to sign an agreement to not sue the ministry…reminds me of a DT non-disclosure/non-disparagement clause.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      It’s just like church. You pay to feel like you’re doing something good for one’s self but you’re totally not.

  • Lazycrockett

    “Maybe Jesus is calling you home!”

  • Oikos
  • Michael R
  • zhera

    So, it’s like a christianist, communist club where people pay more than necessary for services they can get elsewhere, while the people on top make a huge profit.

    How exactly is this different from health insurance?

    And how many of the not-so-brightbart-alt-right see this for what it really is?

    • Millstone

      Well, one difference is that if your health care needs stem from ungodly behavior, you won’t be covered. Examples: Injuries sustained in a DUI crash, abortion, contraceptives, liver disease that can be linked to drinking, drugs, etc. Got an STI? Nope. Sorry.

      • Chucktech

        And don’t even THINK about HIV…

  • MichaelJ

    And insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry are smart enough to make their own business decisions affecting the health and lives of those they insure, where “smart” is defined in Trumpian way: making the most money possible and taking the least responsibility for how their decisions adversely affect others.

  • OdieDenCO

    “Over 428K have signed…”

    should be read as “Over 100 have signed at least 4280 times…”

    we all know how breitbart likes to freep.

  • Jeffrey

    Breitbart is no more disgusting today than it was last year. Why are advertisers suddenly so bothered by its despicable content?

    • Joe in PA

      Bannon.

    • Friday

      Cause they hadn’t even heard of the site, really, just bought advertising in blocks and all.

  • TJay229
    • David Milley

      People who pull shitty stunts like that get on my last nerve. There are families who have actually had stuff like this done to them — back in the ’60s, the Klan offered to burn down _our_ house. Frauds like this just let the right-wingers feel justified in their contempt for us all.

  • BobSF_94117

    [redundant]

    • DumbHairyApe

      “They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.” Acts 2:45

  • geoffalnutt

    A.) “And how do you know The Bible is the word of God?”
    B.) “Well, because it says so right in The Bible.”

    • Cackalaquiano

      This literally is the argument. I remember raising this question when I was young. It never did compute with them.

      • Robincho

        I always like “If Jesus loves me, why doesn’t He ever call?”…

  • Ernest Endevor

    Good luck with cancer specialists in NYC where an office visit can cost $7,000 in cash money. No credit cards or insurance or Medicare or, presumably, prayers accepted.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    People need to recognize the word “Christian” as meaning “die faster so you don’t cost us money.”

  • Boycotting Kellogs I suspect is a useless endeavour.

    With regard to “christian” based health care and insurance I have huge problems with this. Many institutions will refuse treatment to LGBT people and won’t perform things like abortion. In online advice they eradicate anything relating to LGBT as though it doesn’t exist and lobby against other non-religious organisations from publishing advise to those communities (I have been in that field and some health content providers will succumb to their crap and those who buy the content are too lazy to review it). Health care should be about hiding nothing in order for the patient to make their own decisions not about manipulating what American’s should think and how they live. So, certainly “buyer beware” on anything that has “christian” on it just like anything else in the dodgy health care market here.

    • Friday

      They probably never pay out at all by claiming ‘Everyone’s a sinner, so you sinned, so you broke the contract.’ :)

  • NO MORE GOP!

    Not enough of Brietbart died when that diseased pustule finally stopped misusing the atmosphere. What’s it going to take to put a stake through this thing?

    • Joe in PA

      You had me at diseased pustule. :)

  • Friday

    So, ‘faith-based’ insurance scam/pyramid scheme?

    • JW Swift

      Not really any different than organized religion, itself.

  • Bared Bear

    Giving a fundamentalist christian a food bucket and he’ll scam for a day. Give a fundamentalist an enabling, dystopic, butt weasel president and he’ll scam for life time.

  • Eric Lewis

    Money is the only way to hurt these people now, we could starve Trump & his like into submission if people would be willing to stop spending money during his time in office.

  • Piercedchrlz

    Liberty Mutual Insurance already exists and probably does not want to be confused with these hacks.

    • Chucktech

      That was before christians and right wing kooks co-opted the word “Liberty.”

      • Silver Badger

        Co-opted and redefined it.

  • Kim K’s Kute Koochy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    I haven’t heard of this kinda scam before LOL . They dare to rip Obamacare ??? Excerpts
    In fact many participants [of this scam] have insurance through work or another source. They participate with us for the sheer excitement of helping others. They never expect to submit bills https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/376abd786ebf0ffd1398da85c87a40876b75373b230d66c270b0d88e25292beb.jpg

  • Soetoro Marx

    So they all have to band together and contribute to help each other afford medical care. It would never occur to them that this exposes their “Free market solutions will drive costs down!” rhetoric as total bullshit.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    1) Does anyone read this “insurance” groups statement and think it sounds Stonegate like single payer?

    2) There are millions of Americans who believe in homeopathy, that vaccines cause autism, and that prayer heals. So I call bullshit on them being smart enough in terms of health care.

  • Clive Johnson
  • Rebecca Gardner

    They don’t need sponsors. On January 21st they will be the U.S. equivalent of Pravda and paid for by the State. No, I’m not being sarcastic.

  • DumbHairyApe

    OT: Sadly, Carrie Fischer has died.

    • David in Palm Springs

      Oh, crap :-(
      Could this year get any worse?

    • Treant

      Fuck. Just…fuck.

  • David

    Sure sounds like unauthorized insurance to me.

  • nocadrummer

    Sounds strangely by “Church of Christ, Scientist”, which believes that healing can come from prayer.
    Interestingly, some parents have been brought to trial because they’ve let their children die, rather than taking them to medical facilities. I’d imagine such deaths will only increase with this type of “insurance”.

  • Stogiebear

    …the sharing of medical costs between its members, like-minded individuals who have committed to shoulder one another’s eligible healthcare costs as a group….”

    That sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Kind of like all those electrical cooperatives all over the rural west. I guess communism is ok as long as you don’t allow folks who believe differently from you to handle it.

    • The_Wretched

      This is one avenue for enforcing christian sharia on us. You’ll have to join a ‘committed christian group’ to get decent health care.

      • Tor

        I have acquaintances who joined (or re-joined) a Catholic parish in order to get their kids into preschool, and later, parochial school. Whatever.

    • Kelly Lape

      The new testament is a communist manifesto.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      “Healthcare Sharing Ministries” are unregulated voluntary health insurance co-ops. The church gathers the funds and then distributes them to ‘the worthy’ sick.

      “Healthcare Sharing Ministries” are different from standard “Obamacare” health insurance by:

      Discriminating against customers with pre-existing conditions and existing health issues such as obesity or smoking or STDs.

      They may choose not to cover medical procedures the group finds morally objectionable such as abortion, birth control, HIV antivirals etc.

      They are allowed to impose lifetime limits or caps on coverage. Those limits vary by plan, but typically fall somewhere in the range of $250,000 to $1 million per illness.

      They are not required to pay for free preventive care, though some ministries include free well visits in their plans.

  • jmax

    I don’t see this working out very well. After all, if you’re a good xtian, you know that if anyone other than you gets sick, they’re a sinner and deserve punishment. Why would you want to help them?

  • ColdCountry

    “Americans are smart enough to make their own health care decisions.” Unless you’re a woman, of course.

  • JCF
  • Barry William Teske

    Breitbart.
    Because ripping off the public isn’t businesslike unless it hurts…

  • M Jackson

    They think people should all just help each other by joining together to take health care away from 24 million other people. That’s christianity for you.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Totally !!

  • IamM

    A health insurance co-op / Reich-wing Ministry.
    0.o
    ~

    http://gif.co/tlQi.gif

  • JellyDonut

    the 20 million of you who HAD healthcare under Obama, you are now fucked! A little prezzie from the GOP

  • ajchar

    All you need to know about Liberty Health Shares:

    General Legal Notice

    The following legal notices are the result of discussions by Liberty
    HealthShare℠ or other healthcare sharing ministries with several state
    regulators and are part of an effort to ensure that Sharing Members understand that Liberty HealthShare℠ is not an insurance company and that it does not guarantee payment of medical costs.

    Our role is to enable self-pay patients to help fellow Americans
    through voluntary financial gifts.

    This program is not an insurance company nor is it offered through
    an insurance company. This program does not guarantee or promise that
    your medical bills will be paid or assigned to others for payment.
    Whether anyone chooses to pay your medical bills will be totally
    voluntary. As such, this program should never be considered as a
    substitute for an insurance policy. Whether you receive any payments for medical expenses and whether or not this program continues to operate, you are always liable for any unpaid bills.

    Caveat Emptor!

  • olandp

    So, healthcare sharing ministry is another word for insurance and SOCIALISM. I’m sure there are real “death panels” in these groups as they evidently don’t cover anything reproductive, alcohol, tobacco, or drug related.

  • TheManicMechanic

    I think all conservatards need to pray for healing when they get grossly sick. No medicine, no medical care, nothing. Let Gawd do the healing. That will thin them out. No insulin, no health maintenance meds. Nothing but Jeebus.

  • Rt1583

    “like-minded individuals who have committed to shoulder one another’s eligible healthcare costs as a group.”
    Funny that. Doesn’t this make it a socialist group?

  • John Calendo

    Clearly, Americans are smart enough to make their own healthcare decisions. Go to any Walmart in the small hours of the morning and you will see not only are Americans smart enough to dress themselves, they’re smart enough to pick out their own sugary treats and packaged fried foods and cigarettes. They also know how to get to the emergency room when the big sicknesses set in. Obamacare, what communism!

    Over on Breitbart, the commenters refer to not only Obamacare as gestapo communism (yeah…I know), but Medicare and Social Security as well. Why go to doctors at all? They just coastal elites with left-wing educations. Who are they to tell Americans who are making America GREAT again what to do. Do what comes naturally, patriots Do what dogs do when they get sick. Eat grass.

    • BonnieBlueFlag

      Amen