THREE MILLION MORE THAN TRUMP: Hillary Thanks Her “Nearly 66 Million” Supporters In Year-End Message

Snap. Politico reports:

Hillary Clinton thanked her supporters Monday in an end-of-year email. “Before this year ends, I want to thank you again for your support of our campaign,” Clinton wrote. “While we didn’t achieve the outcome we sought, I’m proud of the vision and values we fought for and the nearly 66 million people who voted for them.”

Clinton, the former secretary of state and twice-failed presidential candidate, garnered nearly 66 million votes in November’s election against Donald Trump — nearly 3 million more than the president-elect, who secured the presidency by winning a majority of Electoral College votes.

“I believe it is our responsibility to keep doing our part to build a better, stronger, and fairer future for our country and the world,” she continued, echoing her campaign’s mantra of “stronger together.” “The holidays are a time to be thankful for our blessings. So let us rejoice in this season and look forward with renewed hope and determination.”

  • Blackfork

    “3 million more votes”
    Good t-shirt.

  • S1AMER

    Every day since November 8th, I’ve thought about what could have been, and should have been happening now. I’ve thought about not having to worry about my Social Security and Medicare going forward. I’ve thought about 20-30 million people now about to see their health-care diminished. I’ve thought about saving the environment, and staving off climate change. I’ve thought about civil rights and voting rights and … and …

    Mostly, I’ve thought about 62 million of my fellow citizens who did a very bad thing, and who might be so blinded that may never be able to fully comprehend what they’ve done.

    And I’m not sure when I’ll ever sleep well again.

    • Do Something Nice

      Work on getting restful sleep. All of us need to be in good shape to fight this shitstorm.

      Now isn’t the time for us to be victims or sleep-deprived election zombies.

      So focus on the good stuff in your life to heal and once we are all healed we again unleash the warriors that we’ve had to be for the last 3 decades.

    • Have faith….history throws in one of these lying dictators every now and again…Each of us has to learn the lesson… We have to “rise up” like Parachute Club song… Perhaps, we have been too lazy in the LGBT community. We have let others fight for us….now, it’s a fight for EVERY ONE OF US. We may have to march like Martin Luther King followers on Washington in our millions.
      I am not sure he is going to change Medicare and hurt his followers – I think he will be too busy making deals …all visitors to the White House will stay in his hotels….Any trade deals will be followed up by the Trump kids building golf courses/casinos – What conflict of interest? My kids own the company.

      • fuow

        Trump may well keep his hands clean. Unfortunately, he’ll sign every single horror-cut Bill the congress sends him.
        We’re in deep trouble and I’m still furious with all the gay men who voted for him or who stayed home.

    • Mihangel apYrs

      “tomorrow is another day”

      What is, cannot be changed, so try and look forward, and think what needs to be done to ameliorate Trumpism. And try not to worry about things that haven’t happened.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Oh how that does make the trumpanzees squeal.
    Remind them at every chance. Ram it down their throats !

    • Cuberly

      Yep, it’s what I plan on doing. That, and reminding every GOPer they have NO such thing as a mandate. Not even close.

    • b

      Let them waltz down our briar patch. Little sting here, little snag there, until the feel an aggregate sense that they are going to lose. Revenge is a dish better served with a million cold snaps. Especially those assholes in the rust belt. Get off your asses and do something creative, or move to a coastal place and let your home town declared a wildlife sanctuary. Get off the booze and do something, douche. We don’t have to suffer because of grandma and her teacups and your whisky living. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SropqIg9KbA

      • The Return of Traxley

        The trouble with Michigan is that our state government has been seized by the same strain of GOP grifters that control the federal government. They have successfully convinced the uneducated segment of the population that it IS the fault of “the other” — latinos, Muslims, families receiving assistance (but not like them because THEY sweat blood to pay taxes), and of course, black people. The GOP has turned the state treasury into a Scrooge McDuck swimming pool full of cash for crony corporations — who haven’t delivered SHIT in terms of jobs or manufacturing since Rick Snyder took office.

        Because of the GOP and it’s primitive social policies, we’ve lost out on so many opportunities to grow with new, progressive industries. We’ve lost millions, thanks to our Attorney General’s insistence on defending indefensible laws that inevitably get thrown out in appellate court. We have some of the best areas in the nation for wind farms, but special interests keep them at bay. We refuse to invest in our infrastructure but our governor will appropriate three million of our dollars for upcoming legal fees when his ass is dragged into court for his criminal neglect in the Flint water crisis. Like almost everywhere else in America, we have come down to the visionary educated in cities who push forward, while the proudly uneducated in the dying suburbs and rural areas pulling everything backwards.

        I love my state. It’s my home, and it’s been such since my ancestors arrived before the 1850s to farm, sail on the lakes, and cut timber as lumberjacks. I’ve adjusted to the ways it’s changed, and I’m realistic and optimistic about what’s possible to build upon, given a fair shake to do so. I don’t expect the auto industry to return any more than I expect the copper mines to reopen. Shit happens, and we must move forward together. I don’t plan to leave here. Ever.

        I will, however, stay and fight for as long as I’m able. I will stand my ground.

        • DonnaLee

          Yes, there is a segment in PA that is convinced that Immigrants are taking jobs, and I’ve confronted many of them with “Where are they in PA?” They are truly few and far between here, but that’s part of the problem. They have xenophobia due to not empathizing with a groups they don’t ever meet. In Florida there was not the rallying cry against immigration, due to the right wanting to pander to that segment of their population.

          Trump pushed hard and loudly, despite sounding to almost all of us like a complete idiot. He galvanized that segment of the voting population that still isn’t paying attention. He spouted absolute nonsense here about steel jobs coming back to the area. Really. These fools believed he’d actually do such a thing.

        • Robincho

          Even without the near-certainty of atomic warfare, millions will die as a result of this “election.” Not hundreds, and not thousands, but millions. I can’t get real exercised about the Darwin-related deaths, but it’s the other ones that’ll get me, and get me good…

        • jsmukg

          We need more of this. Keep screaming these facts as loudly as possible.

          • The Return of Traxley

            I am. There are more of us than there are of them.

          • jsmukg

            To coin a phrase, My Beautiful Launderette. 😀

      • Mihangel apYrs

        one of the proudest things I have is the knowledge that my grandfather was a rescuer at the Gresford (Wales) mine disaster.

        Honour
        Duty
        Comradeship

        Qualities that ordinary working folk display beyond that expected when their mates are in need.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Hey !! My ” Whiskey living ” serves me quite well, thank you !!

  • MΩebym

    “Twice-failed presidential candidate”

    Let this not be her legacy.

    • facts can be harsh to anyone. i wouldn’t call her a “loser” in the sense the term is generally used. but it’s fair to say she aimed high twice and was defeated twice. being generous one could say she was forced to accept the label ‘loser’ for this round, and beaten fairly in the primary battles that elevated obama.

      • MΩebym

        There’s no getting around the fact that she lost two bids for the presidency, but my point is that I don’t want her to be remembered for these losses, and little else.

    • BobSF_94117

      Her Senate and State Dept legacy is plenty. Though I assume from the pablum above that she’s planning on running again in 2020.

      • MΩebym

        As much as I like her (and maybe because I like her), I hope she doesn’t run again; why would she want to put herself through this torturous process a third time?

        And who’s to say that the Republicans won’t try to make sure to erase her good deeds from our collective memory?

        • Jay George

          She’s 69 years old. She won’t run again.

  • MikeBx2

    Despite the outcome, I’m proud of my support for her, every dollar I gave to her campaign and, of course, my vote for her. American voters wanted Hillary Clinton, but we end up with Donald Trump. I am not hopeful and resent being told I should be. May the universe have mercy on us.

    • MΩebym

      I too am exceedingly proud of my vote for her and all the time I’d spent on helping her win my state. She’s going to keep holding her head high, and with time, we will be able to do the same.

      • Lars Littlefield

        Me three.

        • Silver Badger

          There are almost three million of us!

          • Jay George

            Actually, 66 million of us. 😉

          • Silver Badger

            Yeah!

          • That’s the spirit, Jay. Let’s not let our victories spoil us…there is a fight going on to take away our human rights…we will never surrender! The vast majority of non-voters (next time voters) will notice the injustice being done to minorities by Trump. These are a more educated and savvy group of technologists and they will vote for Democrats next time.

          • fuow

            Sadly, if this wasn’t reason enough for them to vote, I rather doubt they’ll get their asses in gear for 2017/18/20.
            We’re just plain flat screwed and until we figure out how to motivate Democratic voters to actually vote, nothing can change.
            Rethuglicans and the mother-fucking christers vote. We don’t.

          • SelectFromWhere

            Yup–I annoyed the hell out of people “reminding” them to vote, or to register, and now that my state has published the voter turnout updates which show by name who voted, I’m deeply pissed at those who couldn’t even drag themselves out to vote in the most important Presidential election of our lifetime. No way will those MoFos vote in 2017 or 2018. Grrr.

          • I disagree – let’s not let the LGBT throw themselves on the hopeless pile – We have fought tooth and nail for years – we know how to fight. There are those in our community that have been fighting for us relentlessly and many of us sat back and reaped the benefits of marriage equality – the repeal of Don’t Ask- Don’t Tell. We need to give our heads a shake and revitalize our minds and souls. We need to become one solid community that will like the Phoenix rise from the ashes and in rising we will be ONE and stronger and more beautiful. We may just have to get off our asses and march – we may have to dig into our pockets and get the air, train, bus or gas to drive on Washington and march, march and march. We may need to take our SUMMER holidays and march through those homophobic states that are taking away our rights through ‘freedom of religion.”
            WE NEED TO MARCH LIKE THE BRAVE BAND OF MARTIN LUTHER. We need to network and just as King had whites marchers and white clerics – we need straights and clerics of every religious denomination – we need PFLAG –
            No more crying and moaning like people who have lost a vote and are running off like dogs with tails between their legs. Stop the hysterics – Stop the Oh, Woe is Me – and Stand up and Rise Up. Be the Phoenix instead of wearing ashes on your faces like there is a death!
            P.S There have been so many comments about the lazy people who didn’t vote. But we will be like those same people if we lie down and let the Republicans extremist and unChristian extremists walk over us.

          • fuow

            paulakey, I think you’re new here. Perhaps I’ve just missed you. Over the last decade +, I’ve frequently been accosted and asked just what I am doing. I’ve always responded with the list of things I do in off and on years.
            I am right now working my ass off within m party.
            We have much better counts of the gay vote for the last five elections than ever before and the simple truth of the matter is this: Far too many gay men don’t bother to vote.
            I share your desire that we unite and fight – I was strongly involved in ACT-UP! in San Francisco during the early days. I fought for marriage back when being monogamous was treated as a perversion (and not a good one).
            Unfortunately, until we figure out how to get those gay men to the polls and the, young women nothing else will matter.
            We lost in 2010, 2014 and this year for one reason – the conservatives and the mother-fucking christers always vote. Liberal gay men and young women only vote when they fall in love.

            Again – we must solve this problem first. Everything thing else must wait until we figure out how to increase our voter turnout. Trump and the rethugs didn’t win, we lost. There’s a world of difference there.

            We’re not working at odds to each other, not really. Just, after every single defeat, those of us who say: We fucked up get a strong dose of: Get happy, don’t be a Debbie Downer, think positive, etc.

            That approach has failed and failed utterly. Totally. Absolutely.
            We have tried the sweetness and light nonsense – they don’t work. Until my party sits down and pays attention to reality, we are screwed and will remain so.

            First, figure out how to get gay men and young women to vote.
            Second, figure out how to get candidates in ALL counties in ALL states. I live in Wyoming. I’ve had it up to hear with the self-satisfied ‘who needs the fly-over red-nex’ lectures. My state has three electoral votes – that’s nearly 12% – of the vote we needed to stop this disaster.
            And, we have the same number of senators as do the ‘important’ states. Howard Dean never said we’d carry all the red states, he wanted to stop the march to the right. Something the idiots under Wasserman-Schultz totally failed to grasp.

            Writing off the ‘red’ states was a horrid mistake.

            Third, we know that white men, as a group, aren’t all that opposed to equal rights for the queer community – INCLUDING OUR TRANSGENDER BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

            They are, however, incredibly threatened by the changes in this world and they are susceptible to the lies and ginned up outrage of the media about ‘our’ hatred of them.
            We must focus on helping them, not alienating them. That does not mean we abandon our fight for social justice. It does mean, however, that the next time a SJW stands up at the start of a meeting and says white men must be silent until everyone else has spoken, they need to be told to sit the fuck down and shut the fucking hell up. Last time that happened to me
            (in October), I told the idiot that I was a ginger, not white and if she wanted to discriminate, then she needed to go down the street to the rethuglicans. There was applause! And it wasn’t jazz-hands, either.
            The PC-Politessa and the SJWs have gone too far. Just as the HRC lost my generation of queer activists in 2005 when they threw our transgender brothers and sisters under the bus, so have these tom-fool idiots cost us the support of people who are damn close to neutral in the Culture Wars.

            I’ll stop there – I’m not ranting at you. I am, however, furious, with the gay men who didn’t vote.

          • Jay George

            I hope and pray you’re right.

          • Robincho

            This is actually half an upvote — hope is fine, Pray? Nope…

          • Jay George

            I pray a lot, just don’t know who to exactly…

    • I have read too many comments that are in the category of “hopelessness.” Hillary supporters need to organize, march, challenge and not lie on a pile of inertia. We in the LGBT community were born fighting and in 2015 marriage equality was a bonus, icing on the cake, etc. etc. Trump must not break the spirit of the powerful LGBT community. We must rise like a phoenix from the ashes – stronger, brighter, louder, prouder!

      • fuow

        Yeah, I fought hard in every election. I’ll fight hard between elections. I have zero hope that anything will change – too many gay men are too fucking lazy, I won’t even speak about the lesbians, let’s just say the incoming stats. on the election don’t make them look any better.
        Every transgender person I know did vote. Every single one.

        • What about the lesbians?

          • fuow

            I focus my anger on gay men. We on the left waste too much time arguing over whether one group has a right to criticize the other. I’m not investing in that. I’m a gay man, so I focus my anger on the mother-fucking asswipe A-Listers who ‘voted their conscience’ or ‘taught Democrats a lesson’ by voting for Stein.
            Or, didn’t vote at all. They’re the biggest asswipes of them all. Any formerly fabulous man who voted for Trump is now officially a double-knit polyester wearing heterosexual. Their gay card has been withdrawn.
            Now, to the lesbians – they’re turn out appears to have been at least as dismal as that of gay men. The only queer people who voted in this election in any number, at all, seem to have been transgender people and party hacks like me.

      • JCF
    • The Return of Traxley

      I, as well.

      Regarding my vote, my conscience is clear.

      I would do it again without reservation whatsoever.

  • Robincho

    Wow. A message couched in civility from a statesman (in the sense that Streep is an actor). A message that doesn’t arrive at 3 a.m. via Twitter. What a grievous pity that the good old days are upon us so soon…

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    As we look forward to wading through what will be certain toxic sludge in 2017, we can take some pride in being counted as part of the 66 million decent.

    • JWC

      if she had 66 million voyes 3 Mil more than assholle 63 Milliomthat accounts for 129 million How many eligible voters are there in the US?

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Math ?

        • JWC

          yes I’m just trying to figure out ho many could have and didnot bother

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            I figured you probably are just trying to figure that out. But I am the last person you should ask a math Q.

          • Silver Badger

            After me you come first!

          • Lars Littlefield

            In 2016:
            Total number of Americans eligible to vote – 218,959,000
            Total number of Americans registered to vote – 146,311,000

            Without doing any long division* or algebra*, it looks rather simple.

            *This is intentional snark. There is no need for long division or complex algebra.

          • JWC

            thanks Lars I am not an American and did not have the numbers so basically 17 million sat on their hands altho 129 mil out outof 146 is a relative good turnout

          • stuckinthewoods

            The shocking statistic in Lars’ post is the fact that so few of those eligible to vote are even registered, much less cast ballots.

          • Bill_Perdue

            They wisely boycotted the banana republic elections.

          • JWC

            oh well,sadly, its water under the bridge

      • Bill_Perdue

        231,556,622

      • SelectFromWhere

        There were about 8-9 million more who voted someone other than those two.

        • JWC

          oh well its all academic now

  • Sam_Handwich
    • DaddyRay

      We need to keep up the deligimit campaign

      • Silver Badger

        Google didn’t understand your post and neither did I. Could you please explain?

        • DaddyRay

          We need to keep reminding Trump he didn’t win the majority of America.

          • Silver Badger

            Thank you. I thought you were removing ligaments and it just didn’t make sense.

          • DaddyRay

            Lol – sorry, still in SF for Christmas and posting via phone

          • Silver Badger

            I almost envy you. I’ve always wanted to visit when I was young and beautiful!

          • John

            Come visit anyway. You don’t have to be young and beautiful to enjoy one of the greatest cities (still) on the planet. Take it from one who knows. We definitely have our faults (no pun intended) but there is sooo much more to help override them.

    • ChrisInKansas

      Is getting under Trump’s skin now the easiest thing in the world to do?

    • How do we even begin to combat his lies when we have a significant population of people who pick and choose their facts?

      • ChrisInKansas

        Do what they do – keep repeating it, again and again and again and again, then again. Maybe I’m a stupid optimist but the truth will eventually win out.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Yep – ” Many people say he is not legitimate. Lot’s of people. People are talking about this ! Believe me “

          • JWC

            not only in the US a Lot of people are nervous

          • bzrd

            and more are saying the dump is a traitor

          • Silver Badger

            I certainly believe that. He is.

          • There needs to be a new version of Monopoly and the Trump organization may put it out. The idea is to get a property, hotel or build a sky-scraper, but points are awarded when workers are NOT paid. Cash is awarded to players who claim bankruptcy – the more bankruptcies the more cash. Part of the game will be lying and cheating. Points will be awarded for taking down women’s clinics and replacing them with casinos. Each purchase will receive a tax card, but the winner of the game is the person who has ‘traded in’ his tax receipts.

          • bzrd

            And, the best of all, taking a loss on your IRS taxes when it’s those who invested and lost that investment who should have had the deduction
            bigly points

          • Some people say that Trump has flown his plane to North Korea and Russia many, many times with security clearance. Trump denies such claims. He claims that lots of people are jealous of him and write the name Trump on their planes.

          • JCF
          • Paula

            When I first glanced at this I thought it said dumb as a tractor. Then I realized that works, too.

      • Silver Badger

        Keep calling the lie. “Never give up, never give in.”

        • John

          Let’s modify and use the Larry Kramer mantra: ACT UP, FIGHT BACK, FIGHT tRump. (or substitute THE GOP)

          • Silver Badger

            Works for me. I’ve always been a Churchill fan, but I’m flexible.

      • John

        Lemmings just follow the pack….right over the cliff.

        • canoebum

          Unfortunately, we’re shackled to them.

    • Sam_Handwich
      • ChrisInKansas

        Compare the two tweets. OBVIOUSLY, he was the smarter choice.

        • Silver Badger

          You forgot the sarcasm indicator. (s/)

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          But… but… but… what about her *other* emails!

      • “But but but Putin said that Hillary was a sore loser and Putin never lies!” – The majority of republicans apparently.

    • Cuberly

      Ugh. He’s gotta keep feeding the hatred 24/7. Setting the talking-points the MSM will follow for the week no less. Distracted while he clusterfucks everything behind the scenes.

    • Lars Littlefield

      He’ll be tweeting more off-the-wall paranoid things when ObamaCare is disassembled. Lots of paranoid things.

    • Silver Badger

      keep lying to yourself, trump. Lies are all you have.

    • bobbyjoe

      Hey, Herr Drumpf, if you believe that so much, why don’t you repeal the 22nd Amendment and give it a whirl?

      • JCF

        Um, I’m tired of tempting Fate w/ Drumpf!

    • Lazycrockett

      Idiot doesn’t even live in reality. Just last week he was taking credit for all the good Obama has done. We hates it.

    • MattPS

      Oh, just fuck you, Fuckity-fuck Trump! I am so sick of reading your fucking lame-ass tweets. YOU are the biggest piece of useless shit in America today. Your approval rating represents an all-time low (which is saying quite a bit, since you haven’t even been sworn it yet.). If you even manage to keep your head above water during the next four years, most people will consider that to be your greatest accomplishment/legacy, because at least you won’t have provoked WWIII. But hey, I’m being optimistic. Your senseless insults to the greatest POTUS in recent history only serve to underscore your pettiness and a personality that is devoid of any sort of human goodness.

    • Bryan

      And “etc.” is used by people who have nothing better to say.

  • DaddyRay

    The popular vote President

  • Cuberly

    I’m embarrassed about the degree I bought into the Clinton Baggage myth. I wasn’t operating with facts nor an evenhanded assessment of the myth even. I don’t think I was being misogynistic, or at least I hope I wasn’t.

    But, after doing the work, the research, the reading, the debunking, I realized I had been duped by both the far left and the GOP/Trumpists. Think I learned to late.

    If anything I wish I had volunteered more, done more phone banking than I did.

    Sorry Hillz. You didn’t deserve any of the intensity and off the charts bile directed your way.

    • bzrd

      with 61.5% of California voters going for Hillary, you were needed elsewhere for 6 months or more going door to door in the middle of nowhere, Cuberly,
      don’y be hard on yourself

      • MΩebym

        Without the assistance of countless volunteers from CA, NV would’ve been lost. We owe the Californians big time.

        • bzrd

          thanks to all who worked so hard for our candidate

      • Cuberly

        I realize that. Some of the calling I did was out of state. But the lists I was working from were pretty much voters already committed to Hillz.

        • bzrd

          huzzah !

    • Dramphooey

      Sadly, the baggage was the myth itself.

      • Cuberly

        Yep.

      • canoebum

        That baggage was carefully crafted, maintained and disseminated by a very dedicated group of domestic enemies over more than two decades. They had been plotting and scheming to destroy her since she first appeared and made it known she wasn’t here to bake cookies.

  • Was she a perfect candidate? Far from it. Did I agree with her on everything? Heck no. Was she my ideal candidate? No and I as a brown person am resigned to the fact that I won’t have a perfect candidate in my life time. But was she better than the alternative? Hell fucking yes. But in this post-fact world you could enumerate all the differences between Secretary Hillary and Trump and the idiots from both side of the political spectrum will just put their fingers in their ears and scream “she would have been worse”.

    • bzrd

      Surprise, surprise ! there never is a perfect candidate for you unless you run! I’m 71, never has been, never will. When someone has been investigate as much as Hillary and nothing found, one has to think, “a lot of incompetent people investigating, or the person didn’t do the crime.” Also, she gave us a list of what she hopped to accomplish but we know how well that went with the Congress fighting Obama at every turn. Being in different aspects of government, and with her knowledge of how to work WITH people, there was hope something good would happen for all. The dump is basically telling us he’s for himself first then the wealthy and since he’s a sociopath we are doomed; just this alone should have made people vote for her.

      • Silver Badger

        Evidently being a sociopath is epidemic in our country. Is it the water or the persivitives in the food?

        • bzrd

          some people are just born evil

        • Lazycrockett

          or all the painkillers the midwest is gulping down before moving on to heroin.

    • MΩebym

      Let this be a lesson to those who refused to vote for her because she’s flawed. This wasn’t about her. No one had to like her. They just had to recognize that she’s the superior candidate!

      • They think this fucking high school where you voted for the class president that was most likable even if they didn’t have any real polices. Hillary had real policies. She had numbers and math. I don’t care if she didn’t send people warm fuzzy memes on Facebook.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          “They think this fucking high school where you voted for the class president that was most likable even if they didn’t have any real polices”
          But, but, but he’s so cute/strong/rich/popular/gives out blowjobs to cover up for his growing insecurities over his closeted self–what? just my high school?

          • He’s on grindr now, at least for my high school.

      • Lazycrockett

        I have never voted for a person that I don’t know cause I felt I could like them. I voted for experience, knowledge and the ability to get the things I desire in a country done.

        • canoebum

          Yeah, the Federal government is immense and immensely complex. It has a lot of moving parts, not all of which together smoothly. Knowledge and experience matter. America choose a dunce to run the most complicated enterprise on the planet. I’m sure everything is going to work out just fine.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      “No and I as a brown person am resigned to the fact that I won’t have a perfect candidate in my life time.”

      I had this discussion with a student of mine from the Dominican Republic. Note: I’m not just white, I’m pasty. I’m so white I glow in the dark. People wear sunglasses by me. But no-one talks about my whiteness. It’s default. My student noted that there is such a long way to go until people see past or celebrates his brownness. Even if, he said, that someone is elected that “looks just like me” they will be noted to look just like him. No-one would say “Wow, George W. Bush looks like me!” (except he doesn’t; he’s not as white as me.) For my student, he had to admit that we have a long way to go to not just a perfect brown candidate but for a candidate who was not even noted as being brown. It made me think.

      • Sounds like you might be from Washington! I mean there were men of all race there but the white ones look like they were imprisoned in sex dungeon. Not that I can complain; If you’re shirtless and grinding up on me in a bar I don’t care how much melanin you have, just have a sexy body and face.

        • You noticed the Washington Casper Complex too?

    • OdieDenCO

      the only perfect candidate you will ever find is yourself. all others will always lack.

      • I’m hardly the perfect candidate. I left all the gifts on the washing machine when I went to Christmas dinner last night. /self-deprecation

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          Don’t be so hard on yourself — at least they weren’t in the washing machine.

  • well, nobody ever said she was anything less than polite. altho if i were one of her supporters since the primaries, i think i’d be made sad by finding this in my inbox.

  • andrew

    Hillary lost the Electoral College vote because she narrowly lost Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by a combined total of about 105,000 votes. In those three States a combined total of about 600,000 people voted for someone other than Hillary or Trump.They threw away their votes on candidates with no chance of winning, because they deluded themselves into believing that Hillary and Trump were equally unacceptable. We will all have the next four years to regret their delusion.

    • bobbyjoe

      And they’ll learn absolutely nothing. Nader taught them nothing. Stein and Johnson will teach them nothing.

      Next, we’ll probably have a confirmed serial killer whose campaign slogan is “Gang-rape, Greed, and Genocide” vs. a saintly former fireman who once rescued twenty-eight children from a burning building and whose only major offense was once returning a library book slightly late… and those gullible dimwitted bozos will still vote third party because someone told them “they’re both equally bad.”

      • Ninja0980

        Indeed, if Nader didn’t teach them anything, nothing will.

      • j.martindale

        What??? You don’t recognize the universal import of E-MAILS?????? Benghazi!!!!!

      • Steverino

        Well stated. In this election, the Achilles Heel of American democracy unfortunately came to pass.

      • DesertSun59

        And the GOP was successful in shutting down the recount, too.

      • Cerberus

        And the sad sick thing is that they only believe “both sides are as bad” because it’s a comforting fiction sold to them by the media they claim to be too smart for. Because the media needs a horse-race at all times and so hamstrings whatever is the more moral position or party and fellates the egos of those who see themselves as “independent”.

        Until we end this bullshit stroking of the “non-partisan”, we’re never going to adequately handle the fact that democracy, decency, and the right to live for millions has been labeled “partisan” and “political” by society.

      • Michael Abbett

        We have to face up to the fact that a lot of Americans are miserable people for whom dragging others down to their level is easier and more “fun” than doing anything to improve their own lives. They don’t know what they’re missing by trying to live better, more informed and more diverse lives. Ignorance is bliss.

        • Gene

          does it hurt…physically, being both that stupid, and ineffectual in life Bill?

      • DonnaLee

        Yeah the false equivalency thing needs to stamped out….hard….

        • Bill_Perdue

          We’ll have to wait until after you stop voting for racism, warmongering and union busting. No ones holding their breath.

          • JT

            Trumpanzee Perdouche, you are vile, contemptible, lying, cowardly Nazi collaborator scum and you know it.. Your hypocritical anti-war bullshit has got you Mad Dog Mattis and your Nazi lord and master, “we have nukes to use them” Drumpf, to endanger the world. Your hypocritical faux pro-worker bullshit and mindless false equivalences have got you the American Hitler as your overlord.

          • juanjo54

            Mad Dog will be blowing up shit in Syria and Iraq and there will be boots on the ground – one thing most people never quite wrap their heads around is that we have special ops ongoing all the time. This includes the Middle East. We already have spotters on the ground in Iraq and probably Syria [they admit to Iraq]. There are “trainers” and advisers assisting the Kurds and the Iraqi forces now. Mad Dog has long been an advocate of wiping out the extremists with conventional forces. As is often the curse with generals, they fight the new war the way they fought the past war. Terrorists are not wedded to controlling territory. The war to stop terrorism involve log term strategy and tactics cutting off their sources of income and their sources of recruitment of new members. Going in a blowing shit up, like villages full of peasants or installing corrupt governments does not help win people to your side. Demonizing 1.7 billion Muslims as the enemy, does not convince them that your real purpose in fighting is not a war on Islam.

      • JT

        Include in that number the worst of the worst, the willful, irrational, contemptible ideologues like Trumpanzee Perdouche. Remember them for their treachery.

    • stuckinthewoods

      Even though I live in a state carried by Hillary, I’m having trouble dealing with people I know who voted third party. Their vote had no effect. Should I find that more acceptable because of that? So far, I haven’t brought myself to the point of resuming a relationship, and if I have to, it will be an altered one.

      • As Trump escalates the nuclear arms race – ask these thirty party voters if they have started on their nuclear fall out shelters?

      • The Return of Traxley

        Me, too.

        My former stoner housemate was a virulent Hillary hater, thought that Trump was ALMOST as bad, and couldn’t choose between Stein and Johnson. Stein because she didn’t seem to fully advocate vaccinations (as he’d never done with his now 14 year old daughter because he thought “Big Pharma” was getting rich off them), and Johnson because if the legalized weed shit.

        In the end, he decided that our electoral process was corrupt and rigged worse that African dictatorships (this coming from a guy who sincerely believes that the House of Rothschild controls all world events and must be stopped), so he didn’t vote because he’s so much smarter than the sheep who aren’t as “enlightened” (his word) as he is.

        I’m glad he moved out before the election. I have a crowbar, a shovel, a private back yard, and neighbors who tend to their own business.

        Do the math.

        • Gene

          😉

    • JCF
      • Jeffrey

        stealing that

    • Bill_Perdue

      What is it about voting for the lesser of the two racists, warmongers and unions busters that you consider acceptable.

      • Gene

        one is better than the other.
        you are, in life, an ineffectual failure..so, no one listens to or takes advice from you.

      • JT

        Trumpanzee Perdouche, you are vile, contemptible, lying, cowardly Nazi collaborator scum and you know it.. Your hypocritical anti-war bullshit has got you Mad Dog Mattis and your Nazi lord and master, “we have nukes to use them” Drumpf, to endanger the world. Your hypocritical faux pro-worker bullshit and mindless false equivalences have got you the American Hitler as your overlord..

      • Mihangel apYrs

        Bill, you want to overturn the system and install something you think is fairer (I won’t speculate on what). However,certainly in the USA the majority of voters are adherents of the Democrats or the Republicans, and I can’t see that changing (without revolution) while the 1% fund , bribe, and propagandise to maintain the status quo.

        Therefore, either you vote for the lesser of the two “evils”, OR you let the worse get in in the hope that there will be n uprising (with all that follows). In all honesty I prefer the former, since the latter tends to hurt the little people worse, at least in the short term. What has to be done is education and encouragement of the alternative parties, to destroy to “diocracy” you have

        • JT

          There’s no reasoning with Trumpanzee Perdouche. But watch for his comical reply.

          • Mihangel apYrs

            BP is an idealist (I’ve come across others in my time) who doesn’t like the realpolitik of things but seeks a workers’ socialist paradise. He doesn’t support Trump, buts sees him as the?worst optoin that may lead to revolution of the workers.

            I won’t deny him his right to question, stir, and annoy, because I believe his intentions are honest

          • JT

            He’s an idiot who is blocked by many for his insane lies.

    • SelectFromWhere

      Even quite a few TRUMP voters are already going on record as “regretting their decisions”–tell it to someone who gives a flying fuck, assholes. #deadtome

    • justmeeeee

      ….or….to try to come up with more appealing candidates?

      • JT

        Right. More appealing candidates who don’t win the popular vote.

        • medaka

          IKR? “Appealing” — as if American elections were a fucking reality show.

          • jsmukg

            As you now see, they fucking are. In every way. Including the fraud and lies.

      • juanjo54

        Those are words which are high on emotive content but which have no substance to them. Clinton is a highly intelligent, well educated, skilled politicians who has a good idea of how to work with others to get things accomplished. She has been a target of the Republicans for decades because she has those qualities and because they knew she would run.

        When you look at the substance of the accusations made against her, they are tissue paper thin. But that did not matter to the weak minded, conspiracy believing Americans on the far left nor in the working class targeted by Trump with his bullshit about bringing back jobs which no longer exist. Add to the mix a little voter suppression such as occurred in Michigan where 300,000 people were not allowed to vote because they had the wrong form of id and you squeak out a victory for a man who has no qualifications whatsoever for public office.

    • Hryflex

      If forget where I read this, but one of my favorite “explanations” of this is: “Sauron’s bad, but Gandalf’s done some morally gray stuff, too, so I’ll stay home.”

  • bkmn

    I hope Hillary remains a voice for the people that Trump & Co. will work hard to marginalize. Obama too, since we will need every voice we can get to protest and scream and shout every time they make our lives harder.

  • Blake J Butler

    3 million more votes, more than any presidential candidate in history, even Obama.

    That should make me happy on that end, but on the other end the facts are still clear: She will not succeed Obama, republicans still control congress, republicans still control the senate and most of the state legislatures. Dysfunction in the Democratic party, interference from foreign governments, hackers with an agenda, republicans still embracing a POS candidate putting their party before their country.

    The days of having common ground are gone, both sides are polarized, with one being sane, and the other embracing fascism and Russian dictators.

    I’m not going to be fine unless things change in 2018, simple optimistic words could calm me as a child, but as a 22 year old gay man trying to start a life for myself in this new country, i do not feel fine, with having Twitler being my representation for the next 4 years.

    • Sam_Handwich

      i think Hillary is just shy of topping Obama’s 2012 popular vote.

      • Blake J Butler

        Noted. Still though that is an accomplishment that can not be taken away from the winner of the popular vote of the election. Versus handing it over to a clear loser because of the dated electoral college.

        • Sam_Handwich

          yup, and bottom line, she got more votes for president than any white man ever.

          • SFBruce

            And as she’s already pointed out, had she been elected, she would have been the youngest woman every to have served in that office.

      • SFBruce

        Clinton and Obama 2012 got about the same number of votes. I’ve seen counts that show here with slightly more, and also counts that show Obama with slightly more. With over 69 million votes in 2008, Obama holds the record for the most popular votes by any US presidential candidate. Of course, Obama didn’t have to deal with significant third party candidates in either election.

    • jsmukg

      As a gay man who was your age when this was not yet amurriKKKa, let me say that it is not fine, none of us will be fine, you have my deepest sympathies for being young and having to deal with this Ebola-infested shitshow–and:
      Never despair. The one thing left at the bottom of the box after Pandora fucked up ROYAL and unleashed every evil upon the world (rather like this stolen ‘election’ has) was hope.
      Remember what Olbermann said the morning of 11/9.
      “The terrorists have won—but we shall NEVER SURRENDER.”
      Never surrender.
      Period.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Yesterday was our first full family get-together since 11/9. When the election topic came up, i shouted “So how about those Red Sox???” Alas, my Sam-ham-handed ploy to change the topic failed, but through the brief comments that ensued i deduced that my father was probably the only one to vote for Trump. My mother openly admitted she didn’t vote at all, which surprised me.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
    • JT

      11/9 Always Regret and Never Forget.

      • JCF

        11/9 Always Resist!

      • houstonray

        Remember, remember the 9th of November…

        • SelectFromWhere

          But it was actually the 8th of November.

    • Bill_Perdue

      The 90 million plus who boycotted the election have everything to be proud of – unlike you they won’t support wars of aggression, union busting and racism.

  • BrianQTD

    She needs to lead a shadow presidency. Like all bulwarks against authoritarianism (see De Gaulle, Churchill, etc) she has her flaws but it would be great if she remained a symbol of the opposition.

    • Silver Badger

      100000 thumbs up. She also needs a shadow cabinet so each and every trumpanzie move can be vilified by experts.

    • JWC

      it will be most interesting on the 21 Trump does not have the will of the people There are way to many in dissent Unless he locks up every one he has a problem

    • MoonlightUnkindledOne

      Speaking of shadow presidency, here’s a link which goes along similar lines: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/12/hillary-clinton-inaugural-address

  • Talisman

    And the investigation into this newly-uncovered email begins in 5…4…3…

  • Jay George

    An electoral system that denies the presidency to the candidate overwhelming selected by the people of the United States is broken and I believe it’s been willfully broken in order for those in power to keep their power. Our republic is a joke.

    • Silver Badger

      trump’s republic is a joke. Ours is totally outraged.

      • justme

        Hopefully outraged enough to show up for the midterms..

        • Silver Badger

          We must keep the fire burning hot!

          • And rise from the ashes like a beautiful, stronger, Phoenix that puts all LGBTI under her wing.
            Having said that so poetically (in my opinion) may the Phoenix shit on those who voted for Trump. LOL

        • Jay George

          I’m not optimistic but I hope like hell I’m wrong. I think dirty republican tricks like voter suppression and gerrymandering are the norm. Instead of the republican party going down in flames, we may have seen the last of the elections that are actually determined by the will of the people in our country until we literally revolt. They have figured out how to keep their power and I don’t think they’ll let it go anytime soon.

    • bzrd

      hair balls are always a nice gift, gold plate them for dump

  • JellyDonut

    Votes ignored! This system sucks!

    • Jay George

      Yes it does.

  • Slippy_World
  • Lazycrockett

    Every fuck up he makes its gonna be so easy to just shrug and think what could have been. I will never let those who fucked this up for all of us never ever forget it. Even as Im beating what little clothes I have left on a rock down by the river.

    • Jay George

      On the positive side, those clothes will probably have a decorative holiday glow from the fallout.

    • Ninja0980

      And when every ruling with “religious freedom” being allowed to gut civil rights laws, when the VRA is fully destroyed, when the environment is allowed to be pillaged etc., I’ll tell Stein and St. Bernie supporters they helped caused this.

  • Mark

    I will admit that my vote for Hillary was all about SCOTUS. Between the Kennedys and the Bushes – I am over all this dynasty stuff.

    And we need to start now with vetting some one who can knock the thing out of his perch.

    • Sam_Handwich

      the only real example of “dynasty” there is the Bush’s. a dynasty is generational.

      sure, SCOTUS was a great reason to vote for Hillary. but so is not handing over the nuke codes to a completely insane TV celebrity, instead of the most professionally qualified candidate to ever run for the office.

      • NZArtist

        Oh please! She has a vagina. That’s an immediately disqualifying handicap.

        • Lazycrockett

          Following a president that didn’t have skin that was white. Let’s be honest to many old white men thought they were gonna lose power forever.

      • Mark

        So are you saying that unless i voted for HER, then my vote was misplaced? (you use the word “but” to your other reasons)

        • Sam_Handwich

          yes. it was a binary choice between sanity and insanity.

          • Mark

            I will have to remember that for the next election cycle. If I have any reason other than they are the most wonderful, then I should stay home.

            Seems to me – too many deployed that concept this time around – and we all lost.

          • Sam_Handwich

            part of the problem of this particular election cycle is Americans’ inability to admit that this was no ordinary choice.

            Romney, Reagan, Ford, Bush, Dole, McCain, even GW Bush at least had an understanding of government and public policy.

            donlad trump is the most unqualified and temperamentally unfit candidate ever. and now he’s president because voters were worried about bullshit like emails and “dynasty”

          • Lazycrockett

            That is why every relative that voted for Drumpf that I know of has underlining racist thoughts. He is not a republican.

          • Ninja0980

            Same here.
            The few folks in my family that voted for Trump did so because they were like my great grandmother.. racists and bigots to the core.

          • Todd20036

            At least one of my coworkers who voted for Trump wants a wall between America and Mexico.

            Nothing racist about that….

          • Mark

            You are making the same mistake the Dems made. You are selectively dismissing all that aren’t enamored with Hillary herself. Well, I’m not as she brought a shit load of baggage to the table that proved in the end to be her demise. However! I did vote for her for President knowing full well that I wanted her choosing for SCOTUS. I voted for her in the Dem primaries, and again in the national. What the fuck else do you want?

          • MΩebym

            Please. No one here was demanding you to “love her or else”. Plenty of people, like you, voted for her who don’t particularly like her. What we were trying to say was that dislike for her was a flimsy excuse for not having voted for her, especially given the alternative.

            The “baggage” was manufactured bullshit, and the people who bought into it were idiots. Never forget that it’s ultimately the stupidity of the American voters that delivered this result.

          • Mark

            They may well be stupid and idiots – but they still retain the power of a vote. Going forward, the Dems have got to extract from Hillary – as a candidate, and also the campaign – the fails for the next go-round.

            I’m pretty certain i will live through the next 4 years. That certainty diminishes for another 4 simply due to age. And i have no fucking desire to die with that orange bastard running the show.

            I wish she would have won. She SHOULD have won. There is nothing any of us can do to change what did happen. But – we can try to figure out what the hell went so wrong – and not repeat it.

      • Mark

        ok – family affair. does that string it together better?

  • Ore Carmi

    I was glad to hear from her. I wish she were president-elect.

    • JT

      She is, given Drumpf’s treason with Putin.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    All these pretty words mean shit. In 2017 our Country, our Republic, our great Democratic experiment dies. All we can hope for is to survive it, but that is most unlikely as nuclear winter will kill all life on the planet in less than two decades.

    • Tiger Quinn

      Okay, seriously with this shit.

    • safari

      Nah. Killing all life is quite a tall order.

    • JCF

      Rebecca, hon, BREATHE. Despair don’t help NOBODY…

  • Gerry Fisher

    I voted for her. I think she would have made quite a good president. I acknowledge her achievement in 1) Besting Trump by 3 million votes, and 2) Doing all this despite sexism, horrendous lies, and a media obsessed with pseudo scandals.

    That being said, the Dems need new, strong, clear leadership. It’s just not going to come from her. She just doesn’t seem to have the campaigning or organizing skills needed to rally people around a vision.

    • She’s too lukewarm to fire folks up. Usually very smart people don’t burn with outward intensity, but are perceived as being “cold” and unfeeling. Beginning to think that is Hillary’s problem with elections.

      • MBear

        Intelligent people seem cold & unfeeling to idiots, perhaps.

        • DumbHairyApe

          Cuddle me MBear. I’ll feel much better.

          • MBear

            I’m the exception: a cold, unfeeling idiot. 😉

            …and gassy.
            *giggle*

        • AmericanIdiot

          And unfortunately this country has proven itself to be more than 50% idiot.

      • MΩebym

        Her HONY interview provides some insight as to why she is perceived that way. It was a defense mechanism.

        • The trouble with gender and politics is how we perceive women and men. We like our fellas in politics to be “stern fathers” and “large and in charge” sorta guys. But our society still has issues with women acting that way. However, if to make the voters more “comfortable” they act softer and kinder, we see them as weak, or at least many people do. Women who act “large and in charge” are accused of being ball busters, but not seen as capable. It’s a nearly impossible line to straddle.

  • Lars Littlefield

    Rather than just wring our hands and bitch, here’s some hope and direction for winning the future. Sorry that it’s from another gay site, but I couldn’t locate the original AP link.
    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/12/post-election-activists-gain-resolve-civil-rights-veterans/

  • Ninja0980

    Our side also needs to realize that Republican obstruction doesn’t outrage their side or voters one bit.
    In fact, they LOVE it.
    And for the most part, nothing vile they say about certain groups will move them because they feel the same way.
    We need to fight fire with fire, simple as that.

  • fuow

    She has class.
    I don’t.
    Every single gay man out there who didn’t vote for her? You’re an idiot.
    Every single gay man out there who voted for Trump? I curse you with double-knit polyester leisure suits and bad lighting to the end of your days.

    • Ninja0980

      Married ones are even worse.
      Also, directing the ire to the rest of the people who didn’t vote for her and will be fucked over as well is also needed.
      My BOB cousin actually thinks we’ll all have that progressive revolution now and that the damage done can be done in a flash.
      Told her to fuck off and never call me again.

      • Todd20036

        There’s a better chance the Trump will overstep his authority and there will be a military coup.

        I think this is a small chance, but it’s a much larger chance than a “progressive revolution”

      • JCF

        “My BOB cousin”

        I thought Bob was your uncle?

        ;-p~~~

  • Lazycrockett
    • Sam_Handwich

      positive indicators may boom for a year or two, but after that GOP voodoo economics will strangle us….

      and that’s assuming no one launches nukes

      • Lazycrockett

        The only stocks are up are the same ones that will benefit from the banking de regulations that caused the recession in the first place.

        • Sam_Handwich

          i’m still dancing around whether i should protect retirement investments now, in low risk funds, or see how long the growth lasts

          • j.martindale

            Don’t wait. Unless you are looking for return in 10 to 12 years, make two thirds of your investments conservative.

          • Sam_Handwich

            i’m about 20 years away

          • j.martindale

            I would leave things alone, then.

    • OdieDenCO

      eat, drink and be merry. remember the roaring 20s?

      • Todd20036

        Not really….

      • djcoastermark

        I only remember my roaring twenties. Somehow, I don’t think that was what you are getting at. Luckily I did not have a great fall entering into the 30’s.

      • LesbianTippingHabits

        Unlike Donald Trump, just please don’t forget to tip generously for good service.

        Tips are good karma. And karma never lies.

        And only the wait staff knows for sure. Thank you.

    • SFBruce

      How long, I wonder, before the Orange One takes credit for the setting and rising of the sun?

    • safari

      Is he going to take credit for gas going up 25%, too?

  • KnownDonorDad

    I’m amused when Trump claims that had he been playing to win the popular vote instead of the electoral vote, he still would have won. Really? Three million people would have flipped? I have no doubt the exact totals would have been different, but that’s just a bit of a heavy lift.

  • j.martindale

    I am proud of my candidate — the first woman to win the nomination for presidency of a major party, the most qualified candidate for President ever, the winner of the popular vote, the rightful President of the United States who was cheated of her victory by an unjust and undemocratic Electoral College. We were right. We won. This embarrassment of an administration which follows has no moral authority to me.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Michael R

      Do they waste all their time on Twitter ?

    • fuzzybits

      He forgot to say to watch soap operas too.

      • Bryan

        And eat bonbons.
        Don’t forget the bonbons.

    • grada3784

      So Trump admits it’s at least 1 better than his hotels.

  • DumbHairyApe

    Class act.

  • worstcultever

    God damn it, I love her.

  • Martin

    OT: This is what happens when you try to be civil with a bigot.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/subway-rider-charged-hate-crime-stabbing-transgender-man-article-1.2924741

    Zero interaction is the best policy.

    • Ore Carmi

      🙁

    • Lazycrockett

      how bout charging her with attempted murder?? Stabbing someone isn’t a open hand smack to the face.

  • DumbHairyApe

    I used to believe in the “American Dream” where, given enough intelligence, determination and general good luck, anyone could succeed. Anyone could, in fact, be President. Now, I think that’s not the case.

    This country has a real serious, and I fear, incurable problem. As much as I think there’s a racist problem here at home, I think the bigger issue is there is a christian-led misogynist problem. I keep thinking “Hillary should run in 2020″…but then I wake up to the reality that women, well, you’re despised by a lot of men…and MANY of those men tell their womenfolk how they should act, behave, dress and vote. It will never change in my lifetime. They distrust YOU. They fear YOU.

    I think the root of all this misogyny is radical christian fundamentalism…and it’s twin christian evangelicalism. Men will NEVER forgive Eve for the Great Fall: Women, you deserve the pain of childbirth and the embarrassment of menstruation. It’s all your fault. Men were fine with God in the garden until you caused the origination of sin. YOU had to talk with the snake. YOU had to compromise our security and bliss with divinity.

    Now, of course, I don’t believe all of that and am being facetious. But I DO think most “christian men” do on a sub-conscience level. Hillary, nor any woman, will ever be President of the United States so long as Christianity reigns as the state religion. And, make not mistake about it, it’s a state religion.

    • worstcultever

      Pukes and god-botherers really do hate us women. Or should I say, they hate us not in our place. Which is to be warm, wet weenie receptacles for their precious weenies, and that is ALL. They REALLY are not interested in whatever we might have to say about stuff, let alone things like running the world.

  • Michael R
    • Lazycrockett

      God I never thought that someone might actually have to do that for him. That poor person, the horror of he/she daily life.

      • houstonray

        I like to believe he just sticks his head in some machine while wearing goggles and boom it’s done. I mean, we’ve never actually seen him (God forbid) shirtless or wearing shorts, have we? 😛

    • safari

      That’s not right. His tan lines imply he wears aviator glasses while getting sprayed with cheeto dust.

      • Michael R

        Busted

  • Andymac3

    There seems to be a mental illness of people voting against their own interests in this country or not voting at all. Why the red states that get more federal aid vote republican to lose their health benefits. Why people say they wished the US had universal health care but vote republican because they might pay less taxes and ‘we are at the mercy of the insurance industry and nothing can be done’. I have been shocked by the number of neighbours complaining about Trump and saying that they never votes because, you know, they are all the same.

  • Ross

    Thank you, Madam Should-Be-President.

  • safari

    My one solace out of this is that the shit was going to hit the fan anyway. National populism, xenophobia, and racism were already sweeping the planet. When it goes to hell, and it will, I will cackle while we all burn because of the planet-wide stupid at work.

    • johncAtl

      Well, at least with nuclear weapons you burn really fast.

      • safari

        In a planet-wide event that would be the lucky outcome. I suspect Donald will first try to use “tactical nukes” for some reason or another.

        • johncAtl

          Yeah, I like how his supporters believe there is such a thing as “tactical nukes.” Iran is a popular choice to nuke on Breitbart. Too bad that Russia and China have close ties to the country and won’t appreciate us disrupting the flow of oil. And North Korea is another often mentioned target. I’m sure China won’t mind us dropping a few bombs on their doorstep.

          • safari

            And even if were such a campaign successful in the short term it gives everyone on the planet permission to use them likewise. It’s a losing proposition from the start.

          • johncAtl

            I haven’t noticed it yet but I assume that we’ll be seeing the acronym MAD (mutually assured destruction) coming back after a 25-30 year retirement.

          • safari

            I think the problem is that MAD is a poor deterrent unless there is a unilateral division. The modern world is much messier.

          • johncAtl

            Very true. And on January 20th it moves from messy to filthy.

          • Friday

            Authoritarian narcissists don’t think this way, they don’t care about any of this.

          • safari

            Yup. That’s why this will be the time of “So Long and Thanks for All the Fish”
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nxTj81w4j4

  • Michael R
    • safari

      I’m not quite sure I like to take advice from one of the Spanish-American war commanders. TR did many good things. He also did many bad things.

      • Michael R

        Well at least he told be not to support what he was doing .

      • Sam_Handwich

        Remember the Maine!

      • Lazycrockett

        The Roosevelts which Joe in PA just mentioned delved deep into Teddy’s issues. The guy had some real mental baggage.

        • safari

          I’ll have to watch it. I know the basics about TRs frailty growing up and suspected it was why he was his larger than life persona later.

    • Joe in PA

      Ahhh, remember the good ol’ days when it was Teddy vs Franklin?

      As the saying goes…I’d give my left nut to have Teddy back.

      I just watched the doc “The Roosevelts” (all 1100 hours of it). Amazing to learn so much about Teddy.

      • Lazycrockett

        For a Ken Burn doc its actually rather short.

        • Joe in PA

          LOLz. I really did enjoy it. Hubs was out-of-town and I got to binge. 🙂

      • edrex

        hmmmm…. my left nut is pretty important to me. i’d give up…maybe netflix.

        • TuuxKabin

          Better you do that. We just joined last night. So your giving it up is already compensated for.

          • johncAtl

            Wait for a weekend when it’s snowing heavily and binge watch House of Cards. Kevin Spacey is awesome in the role of a very corrupt Southern politician.

          • TuuxKabin

            Does it have to be a weekend? Heavy snowfalls here don’t coordinate with the weekend, unless it’s a holiday . . . so that would be, MLK’s weekend. Then Dead Presidents’, and that’s about the only holiday weekends coming up. And, wasn’t there a BBC production of House of Cards, in the late 80’s early 90’s? Enjoyed that a lot, and Kevin Spacey, tho being a major creep is an awesome actor. Saw the title on one list or another, will add it to our ever growing list. Thanks. Where you at? Back in ATL? Be in the 50’s at 6:30 in da’ mornin’.

          • johncAtl

            Good morning. Back in ATL – 60s and rainy today.

          • yes b’y
          • edrex

            on behalf of my…um… you know. thanks.

          • TuuxKabin

            on behalf of both of them, the right one would be lonely, you’re most welcome. All youse.

          • edrex

            oh. and watch “the crown.”

          • TuuxKabin

            Ya’ know, that’s what everyone here, in our wee coop of 8, and friends say. Zo, I guess we will. El HubCap being Bronx-Irish isn’t too keen on royalty and to me, meh, but a good performance and production can sway us into being entertained. I’m keen on a new European film, Toni Erdmann, but it probably won’t get to NETFLIX any time soon. If at all. May have to brave the mob. At least it’s foreign and NYC audiences tend to pay more attention to a foreign film. I’ll wrestle HisNibs into submission and we’ll add ‘the crown’ to the list. Thanks.

          • edrex

            the depiction of history is fun, but in all honesty I watched it for the interiors.

          • TuuxKabin

            I’m interested in the styles as well. Hair. Costumes. Era. It’s all production anyway.

  • DumbHairyApe

    Twitter should be charged with some kind of “RICO” act that they’re enabling Trump to start a war with other countries by giving him a platform that he can use without going through the normal filters a President should have to use given the severity of the job.

    As amused as I am by his antics, it’s going to be problematic once he’s in office and could lead to some very, very serious fallout (and I mean that in the most radioactive way).

    • Tom Ato

      Turns out you’re not so dumb after all.

    • Sam_Handwich

      interesting that in a short time, the twitter address @POTUS becomes Trump’s. how do they cancel that?

      • Lazycrockett

        I believe that Drumpf doesn’t have to use @POTUS if he doesn’t want to. NPR did a whole thing on it. Barack’s tweets get archived. It will be interesting to see the numbers of unfollow of that account after 20th.

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    I contributed, volunteered and haven’t received any communication – yet.

    I wonder why not. Thank you.

    • johncAtl

      I got the email about 1:30 today. Given how aggressive they’ve been with emails I’m surprised you haven’t gotten it.

    • houstonray

      Mine came just about an hour ago but it went to my spam folder for some reason. And I had been getting regular emails for the better course of a year.

    • andrew

      I voted for Hillary and contributed $400.00 to the Hillary Victory Fund. I don’t need a thank you. I thank her for putting up a good fight and giving America a chance to choose a bright, dedicated and hard working civil servant for POTUS.

  • andrew

    what a wonderful president she would have made. We have missed a great opportunity.

  • Natty Enquirer

    I’m thinking of throwing a wake on January 20 so we can grieve together, eat a lot of food and get drunk. But that petulant child with the bad hairdo will still be President on the 21st. Sigh.

    • fuzzybits

      The way things go anymore I’d gain 15 lbs. from one meal and be depressed about both things happening.

    • Lazycrockett

      I was thinking of organizing a mass unfollowing of @POTUS on twitter the moment Drumpf is sworn in.

  • DesertSun59

    Given how the GOP operates, come Jan 20 there will be a ‘mandate’ from the Trump. That ‘mandate’ will include the shutting down of all things liberal. The reason is clear. They will very very very successfully be able to declare every single source that proves that Hillary won the popular vote to be fake news sites.

    That is a guarantee.

  • edrex

    ot: but so much leftover duck from xmas dinner. can i send it somewhere?

    • Sam_Handwich

      -send to the freezer.
      -make hash.
      -make a soup with wild rice/ carrots/mushrooms/herbs/etc so forth and whatnot

      • Your comment reminds me of my favorite cartoon of all time from the New Yorker magazine (which I cannot find). It is a bunch of people sitting around a dinner table, and one guy is speaking, with the caption “It’s a genuine White Trash recipe without the Shiitake Mushrooms”.

    • Silver Badger

      Be honest with yourself. If it is great, freeze it in individual portions and enjoy it in the coming months. If it was a ghastly mistake, give it a decent burial and move on. Been there, done both.

      • safari

        Does duck freeze? It’s quite fatty… so it’ll quickly take on anything else nearby.

        • Mickey Bitsko

          Good point about the fat. A few years ago, my wife and I spent a day preparing and baking a duck according to a NY Times recipe and there was barely anything to eat.

          Damn you Mark Bittman, damn you to .. just kidding since after all he did bring the no rise pizza dough recipe to the world’s attention. 😉

          • Lazycrockett

            Totally not bout duck, but the best pizza dough I have ever made is from Alton Brown’s Pizza Pizza recipe. It takes 24 hours but man is it worth it. Cut back on the salt though.

        • Yes, but get as much air out of it as possible when you freeze it. Air destroys the taste of food. Air tight containers (that tupperware “snap”) is best. And more important, defrost food slowly. In the fridge for several days, and then defrost it to room temp (but do not let it sit at room temp or you may get food poisoning) before you cook it. This is the trick for eating good taste out of leftovers. Call me Betty Crocker!

        • Mike_in_the_Tundra

          If you think duck is fatty, try goose.

        • BobSF_94117

          Mmmmm…. Rock Road Duck…

      • edrex

        can u freeze cooked bird? it was pretty delicious.

        • Silver Badger

          As I don’t care for duck, I have never tried to freeze it. Chicken and turkey can be frozen after cooking.

  • fuzzybits
    • johncAtl

      I already know Putin is listening to everything I say. I don’t need Alexa and Siri listening as well.

      • safari

        The brilliant thing is that no one cares (either way) until suddenly everyone does.

        • johncAtl

          When Apple introduced the feature for Siri to respond even if you didn’t press the button my immediate reaction was “oh hell no.”

          • safari

            … (…?) … [employment?]

    • safari

      “Siri, show me Chinese takeout nearby.”

      “Okay. Here are the directions to New Jersey.”

      (I live in the midwest)

    • BobSF_94117

      I’m never going to hear that song again without chuckling.

  • Mickey Bitsko

    But … erm… she’s a … girl!!!!

    But seriously and all sarcasm aside, happy holidays and a bitchin’ new year to JoeMyGoders across the globe.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Interesting read.

    Seattle’s Franz Wassermann, 96, warns of chilling parallels with Nazi era
    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/franz-wassermann-96-remembers-the-nazis-and-warns-of-chilling-parallels-here/

  • safari
  • MΩebym

    Argh, I just realized that I didn’t get Hillary’s email. Is it only for people who donated?

    • safari

      (I tried to write a joke. It made me sad.)

  • Cuberly

    OT: Hair Furor is getting reamed on twitter re; his most recent claim. A claim with zero evidence.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/813581917215977473

    • safari

      mis-filed scam says what?

      • Cuberly

        The evidence of his dipping in the foundation is there. Just how much and how frequently he did it, guess we’ll never know.

        • safari

          We will. In the end. After it all happens.

        • johncAtl

          Unless of course Eric Schneiderman really wants to dig into the DJT Foundation Scam.

          • Cuberly

            The NYC investigation is ongoing though, right?

          • johncAtl

            From what I’ve read, yes it is.

            Edit: NY, not NYC.

          • Cuberly

            Good [evil laugh] heh heh heh….

          • Cuberly

            Yeah, I just noticed that…my bad.

      • Cuberly
    • Rebecca Gardner

      Yeah, I replied to the stupid fucking circus peanut earlier.

      https://twitter.com/BikerBecca/status/813593918961057792

      • safari

        My Trump family were quieter this holiday. It might be that they were either GM whose jobs were saved by “the government” yet despise it (“tell me, my aunt in insurance, why regulation is bad and your husband pulls in GM checks”) or just try to jab “you know what bert says” and I can quote it (decades later) better than the joker. When asked what the greatest threat is, I say “Doanld”. They get silent.

        • The Return of Traxley

          There is nothing worse than those whose dreams of success were realized by the blood, sweat, and tears of activists, unions, and progressive legislators, who have now turned their backs on them; instead, they’ve betrayed that hard work in exhange for the snake oil of lowering taxes for the rich with the promise of bringing back the lucrative glory days of working eight hour shifts screwing ashtrays into the armrests of Oldsmobile Toronados.

      • Cuberly
        • TuuxKabin

          Question: not having twitter or any social app: doesn’t/can’t he or anyone, block you? And how do you know if you are blocked? After one remark like that, with his fragile ego, I’d think he’d block the sender. I’ve considered twitter just to be able to respond to him with sarcasm and calling him out.

    • Cuberly

      Tomorrow is going to be interesting.

      https://twitter.com/AC360/status/813560485341757441

      • Max_1

        Wait when defending Trump property somewhere is considered National Security event…

        • The Return of Traxley

          Golf courses are prime ISIS targets, doncha know.

        • DaddyRay

          I certainly would never stay at a hotel associated with the leader of a country, especially Trump because I would always be wondering if some midnight tweet would make the hotel a target

          • BobSF_94117

            On the other hand, imagine how clean and tidy a Merkel Motel would be…

    • Max_1

      If you call using money from it to pay off legal settlements, ‘charity’…

    • SoCalGal20

      If you call bribing government officials and buying a portrait of yourself charity.

    • The Return of Traxley

      But — but — HILLARY’S WAS WORSE!

      • Cuberly

        Ha! People have been pointing out that Hilllz released the Clinton Foundation books when they were requested.

        • The Return of Traxley

          BUT EMAILS!

          • Cuberly

            Creme Brule-GATE!

    • safari

      RELEASE YOUR TAX RETURNS. Clarify it for me.

    • justme

      Didn’t know HIS family was considered a wonderful charity…

  • Bill_Perdue

    Those not voting beat her and Trump. They’re the smart ones.

    “According to the United States Election Project, nearly half of eligible voters (46.9 percent of approximately 231,556,622 people) did not vote in the 2016 election. And while not the lowest voter turnout in history (that honor goes to the 1996 election between Bill Clinton and Bob Dole, with 49 percent of eligible Americans abstaining from voting), the numbers are much lower than they were in both 2012 and 2008, particularly among Democrats. http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8265143/almost-half-eligible-voters-did-not-vote-election-2016/

    • JT

      Trumpanzee Perdouche non-reasoning points to a situation his ilk created.

      • Bill_Perdue

        JT is a bizarre little Trumpeteer, neutered by mass desertions. He’s hilariously inept, irrelevant, a mad dog frothing racist and a sore loser.

        • JT

          Trumpanzee Perdouche, you are vile, contemptible, lying, cowardly Nazi collaborator scum and you know it. Your hypocritical anti-war bullshit has got you Mad Dog Mattis and your Nazi lord and master, “we have nukes to use them” Drumpf, to endanger the world. Your hypocritical faux pro-worker bullshit and mindless false equivalences have got you the American Hitler as your overlord.

          • Bill_Perdue

            JT is a bizarre little Trumpeteer, neutered by mass desertions. He’s hilariously inept, irrelevant, a mad dog frothing racist and a sore loser

          • JT

            Trumpanzee Perdouche, you are vile, contemptible, lying, cowardly Nazi collaborator scum and you know it. Your hypocritical anti-war bullshit has got you Mad Dog Mattis and your Nazi lord and master, “we have nukes to use them” Drumpf, to endanger the world. Your hypocritical faux pro-worker bullshit and mindless false equivalences have got you the American Hitler as your overlord.

  • Max_1
    • houstonray

      Wow. Just wow.

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      I didn’t realize Santa Claus died this year.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        No one wants to talk about it.

        • Mike_in_the_Tundra

          Oh. That guy assured me he was the real Santa. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have …….. boy, I made a big mistake.

    • Bryan

      Seen so many things similar across other sites, doesn’t stop being sobering…

  • Hillary just may be a little happy that she has time for her two adorable grand children now and her husband who is getting on in years — and for herself. She would have very little if she were President. It just may be that Hillary is actually very thankful for the way things turned out right now for herself, personally, if not for the nation.

    • Lazycrockett

      Honestly I was surprised that Hillary even ran. I figured after SoS she had done enough for this country that has always treated her like shit. When the shit hits the fan and the nation is falling apart I honestly hope i hear her cackling and telling the country “I told you so.”

  • Blake J Butler

    So according to an article i found on Huffington Post someone posted through Facebook, and the article said that the Beach Boys were considering to play for Twitler’s inauguration.

    • Mickey Bitsko

      Memo to Repugnican Mike Love:: Bite me, Rhonda, bite bite me Rhonda. 😉

      • djcoastermark

        Grab me as rhonda, grab me as rhonda, right by the pus…

        • TuuxKabin

          Gawd, you’re up early or late . . .

          And with all due respect to a previous comment:

          Bomb, bomb, bomb,
          Bomb, bomb Iran . . .

          • JT

            That might bring McStain over to Trumpanzeeville.

          • djcoastermark

            Was up late talking on the phone with my mother til about 5am-ish, and wow, didn’t realize how late it was.

    • JT

      “Make America Blonde Again.”

  • Cuberly

    OT: Politico is saying that the campaign knew about the Miller/Delgado affair for months.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/jason-miller-affair-trump-232966

    https://twitter.com/JerseyJ2K/status/813431154741301248

    • Lazycrockett

      This what I dont understand. Is Drumpf tweeting bout his glorious foundation to take away from the lacky’s fucking each other, why? His fans dont give a fuck they supported and voted for a rapist. The media sure as shit doesn’t care. The dems already know they can get away with it. What is he trying to distract everyone from today?

      • JT

        He’s trying to keep hold of the christofascist hypocrites.

  • Blake J Butler
  • coram nobis

    Kate McKinnon (as Hillary) sings Leonard Cohen’s “Hallelujah.” Worth a look if you haven’t seen it yet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG-_ZDrypec

    • andrew

      Hillary would have made an excellent president. A worthy successor to Obama. But alas, over seven million voters chose to vote for candidates who had no chance of becoming president, because they correctly believed that Hillary wasn’t perfect, as none of us are, so they gave us the most unqualified candidate. We will all have four years to regret their mistake.

  • justmeeeee

    Snap? Really?

    • JT

      Take your Trumpanzee carping over to Doucheville.

      • justmeeeee

        Oh, was I mistaken? Queen Hillary is actually the president elect? No? Oh, okay….

        • JT

          Carp on over there at Doucheville, Trumpanzee.

  • Hryflex

    I can’t wait for The Orange One’s petulant tweet about this.

  • Mike Knife

    She won.