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YES PLEASE: Obama Wants To Help Find “New Talent” For The Democrats After Leaving Office [VIDEO]

The Hill reports:

President Obama said in an interview broadcast Monday that he wants to build up the Democratic Party by helping to develop a “whole new generation of talent” after he leaves the White House. “There are such incredible young people who not only worked on my campaign, but I’ve seen in advocacy groups,” the president told NPR.

Obama said he’s seen young people speak out on issues such as climate change, criminal justice reform and a livable wage, adding that he wants to make sure he uses “whatever resources, credibility, spotlight that I can bring to help them rise up.” That’s something both he and first lady Michelle Obama can do well, he added.

“That’s part of what makes me optimistic about our future because I know those young people are out there ready to lead,” he said, “and when they start moving into more and more positions of authority, then I think the issues that I care most deeply about are going to be well served.”

  • HZ81

    Considering this President was considered a failure by followers of the High Sparrow, I wish him luck.

    And thank you, President Obama. As our last American Commander-in-chief, I’m just glad the country went out on a high note.

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  • geoffalnutt

    Unfortunately he will not be able to operate very effectively in the new ‘climate of hate’. I wish him success, though. When I think of his leaving it brings me to tears.

    • Moebym of the Resistance

      The thought of him leaving office has filled me with dread and made me literally sick.

      • Ninja0980

        Same here, especially given who’s replacing him.

    • Michael White

      I have never been so proud of my votes for him. He is a class act and will be missed. He has not been perfect and I was disappointed a number of times, but he has done will.

  • Michael R

    This gives us some HOPE .

    • TuuxKabin

      SOME, but until then it’s going to be very bleak.

      • Michael R

        I still have a hard time accepting how bleak this is going to be , but I felt it watching the election results come in .

        • fuow

          You and me both. It’s part of what drives my fury at gay men who couldn’t be fucking bothered to vote, because my party needed to be ‘taught’ a lesson. This being the Internet, I’d better add that ‘my party’ is the Democratic Party….

          • Todd20036

            Be prepared to run

          • fuow

            Honey, I’m unelectable. My ginger temperament combined with a penchant for telling the unvarnished truth, my disdain for PC and the SJW, hell I can’t even use a Hillary avatar here without some of the center-leaning, scared to death spineless Democrats having a fainting spell. Caused by clutching their pearls too tightly.

          • Todd20036

            No, I mean literally. I would not put it past Trump to build “reeducation camps”

          • fuow

            Oh, I knew what you meant – I just chose to play with the language.
            Our child is an adult now. He’s got dual citizenship and we set up enough financial resources abroad to protect him and our grandkids and his wonderful wife.
            Yes, we can run if we have to. Still, I think I’d rather stay and fight this one out. I’m so fucking sick of my spineless party.

          • Chucktech

            Good on you, fuow!

          • Goggles

            Two months ago Trump was also unelectable. So on the contrary, you’ve listed a bunch of characteristics that appeal to many voters and at the very least don’t turn off the rest. Don’t write it off.

  • Mark

    I’ve got nothing but respect and admiration for Obama. But I certainly hope there are some young ones coming up through the ranks that have a bolder bitch voice.

    • Obama was as bold as he could get away with. I understand the argument you are making and it’s valid. He tried to deal with people fairly and maturely and got smacked down for it over and over. But what was his alternative? That wouldn’t have worked either.

      • Mark

        Agreed. But the times have now changed. “Cut it out” isn’t going to work with the creed of rats heading to DC. It’s going to take “jump back mother fucker” to make a point with them.

        • And Pelosi and Schumer aren’t going to be very effective either. FML.

        • Chucktech

          I’m all for “jump back mother fucker,” but jump back or else what?

          • fuow

            How about, ‘or else we’ll actually vote in 2018’.

          • Chucktech

            Now, now, empty threats aren’t the answer…

          • fuow

            O! My paws and whiskers! So true! So sad and so true.
            Sigh.

          • Mark

            said strong enough and with ample bristle…no ultimatum is needed.

      • CanuckDon

        I understand what you’re saying but a bit of piss and vinegar seems to go a long way in regards to gaining respect from the people. The Left is an all-encompassing ideology and force. The traits are understanding, patience, and acceptance of all but a bit of passivity is required to allow these traits to exist. This is where the Right takes advantage.

        Some fiery, I-don’t-give-a-damn-what-you-think voices on the Left are needed…voices like Alan Grayson for example. Canada was very fortunate to have had Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien in the past to powerhouse progressive ideals here.

        • fuow

          You are so right. I’m so fucking sick and tired of the ‘take the high road’ bullshit. We need to fight. The Constitution is on our side, why the fucking hell do we tip-toe around?

        • Do Something Nice

          Yes, but had Clinton been a more passionate speaker, she probably would have won the election – I mean the electoral vote.

          I’m sure that Obama would have trounced Trump.

          • Chucktech

            One of my “former friends” on Facebook tried to use the ridiculous fig leaf of “If it had been Obama/Trump, [he] would have voted Obama.” But, instead, since Hillary was so “corrupt” or “reckless” or “untrustworthy,” he voted for Trump.

          • Do Something Nice

            Well, I’m not much of a fan of Clinton and I went to great effort to vote for her and harangued everyone I know to do the same.

            How is it than anyone considers Trump trustworthy ?

      • fuow

        There are several mistakes we made (and still make) as Democrats.
        We should have (and still should) push back much harder with the facts when the rethugs tell lies. How often was I told ‘take the high road, the voters will understand in the end’.
        Well, guess what – they did not understand in the end.
        If we’d fought for Obamacare instead of getting party lectures not to call it that, but ACA, what a difference it would have made. The death panels lie, the ‘they’ll take your medicare lie’. We ignored them. Totally ignored them and then got slaughtered in 2010 – because of Democrats who refused to fight.
        I fought. Unfortunately, it was useless. Our party spent the last six years (and is still) navel-gazing and worrying about purity, instead of defending our country against the mother-fucking asswipe christers and the batshit rethugs.

        • Ninja0980

          Right on all counts.
          We need to push back and hard, as well as telling the purists in our party to go fuck themselves.
          Enough is enough, we need to fight fire with fire.

        • CanuckDon

          It really is all about keeping one’s initial passion and priorities in mind. That’s where the strength comes from and cultivates.

          • fuow

            Yup. And all we did was fight and argue about irrelevancies.

          • CanuckDon

            And let corrupt narratives from the Right (and the Russians) run rampant.

        • leo77

          This is what I meant when I mentioned up stream that the Democrats consistently get caught flatfooted when the Republicans aggressively and proactively define an issue. That they never found a effective way diffuse the whole death panel nonsense is failure to both anticipate and counter where the Republicans direct the debate. They have got to get better and more aggressive in this respect.

  • We have a pattern in presidential elections that neither party seems to have noticed. The last time the “it’s my turn” candidate (as in, the one who came in second in the last primaries or the obvious next nominee) was Bush Sr in 1988. Clinton hadn’t run before. Bob Dole, Bush’s runner-up lost in 1996. The Gore lost to Bush (okay electoral college etc but still lost). The Obama beat McCain and Romney (both former runners-up). The Democrats ran Clinton, the former runner up. Anyone notice a pattern? When it’s time for change, Americans what CHANGE. Not just of party but not the same-old, same-old. Don’t yell at me if you think it shouldn’t be this way. I didn’t create this trend. I’m just acknowledging it. We need some new faces. if we want to win and not just at the national level. The Democratic party has done a horrible job of this. People would rather sit in their cushy office forever and ignore any new political talent. And where has that gotten us? Almost no governors and a minority in both houses of Congress. And then there are the state legislatures. We need fresh faces who can articulate our message in an interesting and exciting way. and retreads are NOT the way to do that.

    • BobSF_94117

      So, what you’re saying is that you want a new, shiny party that spouts popular nonsense, just like the GOP?

      Maybe we should concentrate on creating a propaganda machine like they have.

      • Nice strawman. Look around. We just got our asses kicked. More of the same? We have a popular message but we SUCK at delivering it. Obama was good at it and so was Bill Clinton. They both won. Kerry was terrible. So was Gore. They lost. Hillary Clinton wasn’t that good either. We need to do better. Propaganda machine sounds horrible, but we do need to connect better to people and not just talk to each other in witty sound bites like we have been.

        • Moebym of the Resistance

          Funny how one rarely hears about voting rights in the post-election blather. It’s all bad messaging, wrong candidates, all the time.

          In our country, you can’t always vote even if you’re properly registered, and your votes don’t always count even if you can vote, and if they count, they’re not equally weighted from one state to another. That’s the real issue, here.

          • fuow

            It’s one of the really biggest problems. Not issues, problems.
            Failing to motivate people to get out and vote is our biggest. Our very biggest. Our voter turnout was dismal.

          • Chucktech

            Our voter turnout was dismal. Even with nearly 3 million more votes.

          • fuow

            Yes, it was. Those 3 million more popular votes were wonderful – but in the areas where we needed for people to show up, they did not. Facts are facts, there’s no reason to pretend otherwise.

        • BobSF_94117

          We got our asses kicked because the GOP stopped fighting fair a couple decades ago and are now at crazy stage. I’m not sure there’s really much we can do. Ethically, at least.

          Step one, stop blaming ourselves. START BLAMING THEM.

          Heck, they’ve been blaming us for everything for 30 years, true or not. It’s about time we started on them. We just need a few billionaires to stop giving money for useful things and throw it a propaganda….

          sigh…

          • I don’t know. Democrats ran away from the ACA and got trounced in 2010. They are spineless and don’t stand up and fight and then get clobbered by people who do. We let them lie and lie and lie. Yes, I blame them for lying but I also blame Democrats for not calling them out on it. The media isn’t going to do it. We have to do it or it isn’t going to get done. Pelosi and Schumer are not going to get it done. Democrats only seem to win after Republicans have fucked up so badly that even some Republicans can’t vote for them. I thought that had happened this year but I was wrong.

      • fuow

        That’s not what any of us are saying. Houndtenor is approaching this from a very different wing of our party than mine, so I won’t speak for him. BUT – we are both saying that the approach of the last years has not worked.
        It very much has failed.
        From my perspective, we need to push back hard with the truth. Stop running and acting ashamed to be liberals.

    • Treant

      Trump’s an “it’s my turn” candidate as well, given the runs (2) and feints (many) at the Presidency.

      This was less a “change” election than a “burn it the fuck down because we’re not getting what we want” election.

      • geoffalnutt

        !!!!! THIS.

    • fuow

      On this, we agree. It’s not nothing, but, damn – your wing of our party with your ‘speak softly and carry a limp stick’ has a lot to answer for. It’s one reason I have fought against PC and the SJW mentality from the beginning.
      We lost so much ground by focusing on the wrong fights at the wrong time throughout the entire century . I said at the time that cute, grandmotherly Nazi bitches from hell like that flower maker were a bad hill to die on. We should have focused on what really mattered such as protecting the rights of our transgender brothers and sisters.
      But no, the focus was on driving every single trivial issue to the fore, while our organizations (HRC) were kicking the people who really fought for us during the Aids holocaust under the bus.

      • What wing of the party is mine? I’ve been fighting against regressive leftists since before I knew that had a name. I’ve been on that for almost 20 years. For a long time I’ve been saying that we need to pick a short list of important issues that need to be done that at least 2/3 of Americans agree on. There are a lot of those actually. And not get bogged down in the trivial bullshit.

        Also HRC is a joke. Why are they still a thing. All these years and millions of dollars and they have zero accomplishments. What other lobbying organization is such a failure. Give to your local gay rights group. Some of them actually get things done. But it seems like HRC just exists to maintain it’s staff of well-paid A-list gays usually with partners on the board. Enough.

  • Silver Badger

    Perhaps the first thing he should do is get Michelle and the girls out of trump’s reach.

  • TK

    YES! But judging by the reaction to his pick for who he wants to head the DNC, I don’t think the far left will like all his recruits.

    • canoebum

      Can we please stop worrying about what the “far left” wants? I think most of us would be perfectly happy if we could get even a “center left” government in place and working to advance the country.

    • fuow

      I am on the far, furthest, left most edge of the party. I always vote for the Democratic candidate, I always support our platforms.
      Of course they’re too conservative, too milquetoast. BUT I hold my nose and get in there and fight. When the roof is burning down on the right side of your house, you don’t ignore it because it’s not your side.
      We on the left (never mention far left, our party has drifted so far to the right, it’s horrifying) DO work together. It’s the cahn’t be bahth’rd to vote gays and young women who are killing us.

    • Goggles

      Perez supports the TPP, in a time when preserving American jobs is one of the top voter concerns. If Obama’s other picks are on par with Perez, lack of support from the far left would be the least of the party’s worries. Remember when Obama’s wing of the party attempted to grand bargain away the social safety net and the GOP didn’t take him up on it? No more like that, please.

  • BobSF_94117

    Political parties have a natural structure. The old, experienced pols lead the party. Younger ones, starting locally, moving to the state level, then the Congress, as they find their voice and work their way up. It’s how it works best.

    There’s plenty of talent in the Democratic Party. It doesn’t need “finding”. But let’s play into the meme that the Dems have lost it…

    • No, it’s not happening. Maybe in CA that’s happening for the Democrats but in 3/4 of the states there is almost no Democratic part to speak of. They hold a few isolated offices in the legislature and there is no way to move up. We have no Democratic bench here in Texas. There’s not even a third string, much less a second. And that’s true of a majority of states. There was one Congressional district (sorry I don’t remember which state) where Clinton won and the Democrats didn’t even run a candidate. Don’t tell us they are bringing politicians up through the ranks. That’s rather obviously not true.

      • Mark

        I remember how fucking aggravating it was when the Tx ballot had way too many completely uncontested races. There’s not even enough willing Dems to put their name on a friggin ballot. Ugh!

        • fuow

          That was one of the worst decisions Wassermann-Schultz made, to write off the deep-red states.

          • Ninja0980

            Howard Dean’s plan was so successful he managed to help Democrats win a seat in Upstate NY where my uncle lives in district that hadn’t voted for a Republican since the civil war.
            Why that plan was trashed I’ll never know.

          • fuow

            I think things started to go south over two issues: Guns and abortion.
            There is a large group of us who don’t agree with the coastal position on blanket gun control. We see guns very differently in the Rocky Mountain West than in the inner cities where 50 people die every weekend.
            We were really beaten up. Well, I wasn’t – I have a spine and my local party needs my husband’s and my money. But we lost a lot of people over the ‘one size fits all’, bend to our yoke mentality on guns.
            Second, the abortion problem. Instead of coming out with all guns blazing to PROTECT the rights of women, we tried all sorts of candy-assed ‘compromise’, ‘reasonable’ positions. We should have fought and fought hard to make it clear to young women that we are the only party who gives a flying fuck about their dominion over their own body.
            We didn’t make that clear.
            Now, we’re paying for it in their lukewarm support.

          • Chucktech

            I never had the impression that Democrats were giving anything less than full-throated support for a woman’s right to choose.

            But what was laid bare for all to see was Trump’s shocking, disgraceful, unpresidential, outrageous, and crude disrespect of women. How any self-respecting woman could vote for Trump is, for me, one of the great enigmas of this election.

          • fuow

            No, too many blue-dawgs made that clear in 2009/2010. Sadly.
            There’s a difference between actually getting out there and doing something and vaguely endorsing party policy. Which is still ‘legal but rare’.
            Personally, I’m very happy with that – BUT I’m a GAY MAN. I have zero standing to tell a woman what to do with her body – just as a woman has no right, at all, to tell a man he should be cut or uncut.
            None.
            Being actively, militantly pro-choice is the one and only option which is acceptable for a man who cares about women’s rights to take. Too many in our party let themselves be cowed into an embarrassed silence on the matter. Either women have dominion over their own bodies or they don’t.
            We have not fought for that, not actively.

        • I’m in Texas now. My Teavangelical idiot Congressman ran unopposed (I think there might have been a libertarian but no Democrat) in 2014. This year Dems ran a candidate but didn’t take away that much of his vote. Oh well. But yeah, it’s time to act like a national party. Howard Dean was saying that over a decade ago.

      • Ninja0980

        Indeed, the Democratic bench in many states has been wiped out… and it will sadly take a generation or more to fix.

      • fuow

        On this, we are in agreement. Sadly. Hell, I’m in my fifties and I’m one of the YOUNGEST people active in the off-years. By a wide margin. But for a married couple in their late 40’s, I’d be the youngest.

    • fuow

      The talent may be there, but there were exactly Two people under 47 engaged in our local party this election year.
      Two.
      We must resolve this problem. Problem, not ‘issue’.

  • pablo

    Rumor has it that he convinced Biden not to run in the primaries. If that’s the case, his help can only fuck up the Democratic Party further.

    • Silver Badger

      What ever. Rumor has it that you didn’t vote at all.

      • pablo

        im registered in Alaska, so it doesn’t matter which candidate I vote for, it’s going republican.

        • Todd20036

          I’m registered in DC, so it didn’t matter who I voted for because DC went democratic.
          But I voted for Hillary anyway.
          What’s your point?

  • Moebym of the Resistance

    I fully support these efforts. It’s never not a good time to find new talent.

    • fuow

      Winner of the Internet for the entire Trump Divergence. May it end in 2018.

    • leo77

      Everyone joked about how many Republicans entered the primary race, but the other nagging question that has to be asked is why was Democratic bench so shallow? Absolutely the Dems need to identify and cultivate new talent, and they need to look beyond career politicians and look at people who have had careers in the private sector.

      A professor at the University of Wisconsin has been doing extensive interviews with voters who have swung red in that state and her work reveals no so much an affinity for the Republican party, but rather a deep distrust of anything the seems “DC establishment”. We can bemoan this and call them yahoos, but this is what’s driving their decisions at the polls and the Dems can’t ignore this trend.

      • Oikos
      • Gerry Fisher

        I also think it might be time to go back and revisit Jim Webb’s complaints about what drove him out of the primaries so early (other than his own lack of viability). At that time, I thought his statements were whiny and avoiding personal responsibility, but now I think there might be something there.

        I’m not interested in another “the fix was in for Hillary” whining session. That being said, maybe there’s something we can learn that would encourage a deeper bench and more competition.

        • Gerry Fisher

          The other thing we need to do is to define better “DC establishment,” which is vague and prone to “switching things up every 4 to 8 years.” We need to better define very specific “DC establishment” practices that are “bad,” and put forth excellent arguments as to why Democrats can avoid these bad practices better.

          • leo77

            I think the Republicans have been very adept at exploiting/using/adapting vocabulary and “defining issues” “framing debates” to their benefit and the Dems need to get more aggressive and proactive in that respect. And i don’t mean with bar charts, graphs and wonkishness. I mean with some good aggressive, sensational, sound bite, yellow journalism of their own.

  • CanuckDon

    Hopefully he chooses ones with honest passion and fire rather than those merely needing to up their resume and reputation.

  • bkmn

    I hope he does not remain silent, as is tradition. He needs to call out Trump every chance he gets – and point out that he still has not shared his tax returns (as promised) and has not put his business into a real blind trust.

    • Chucktech

      I feel quite assured we have hardly heard the last of Barack Obama.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Too late. Our Republic will die today. Thanks for the sentiment Mr. President, but now we are on an express elevator to Fascism.

    https://twitter.com/BikerBecca/status/810846750734950400

    • DaddyRay

      Republicans never gave up and neither should we. When the people see what Republicans do the Democratic Party will come in and fix it yet again. We have to have candidates ready and in place to run

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I don’t think we should fix shit for red states that ALWAYS fucking expect Dems to rescue the day but never vote for them. Seriously, george W. wasn’t that freaking long ago and that should have taught anybody not to vote GOP for decades.

        • Ninja0980

          Indeed, as far as I’m concerned, they’re on their own.

          • fuow

            See above. What we need to do is to make clear to voters in the red states why it’s in their interest to vote for us.

        • fuow

          Wrong. As those of us who live in red states know, those two senate seats and electors matter. Why you don’t grasp this is a tragedy.

        • Oikos

          Coal miners are about to get theirs when the jobs don’t magically reappear and they lose unemployment, health insurance,e tc.

      • CanuckDon

        The adults of the political realm. There are Republicans/ Conservatives who are totally convinced that they are the adults because of their love of money but in reality, they’re just adults in arrested development…money as their soother.

    • Treant

      I know, I know! They’ll vote in Donnie* and risk the end of the Republic.

      Fortunately, some Republicans are already pulling back from him.

      * I won’t even call him Trump, much less the P-word.

      • Todd20036

        Why not? Trump is a pussy if I ever saw one!

  • Oikos

    Republicans build an effective message of lies and any drones willing to carry the message are sufficient.

    Dems fail to tell voters what their message is and depend too heavily upon a few to try to explain what the message is.

    • Moebym of the Resistance

      We do. No one fucking listens. I guess we have to simplify our platform to a fourth grade reading level for anyone to give a shit.

      • Treant

        You’re quite kind to the American public.

        You can’t tell the truth when it’s bad news. See: the Midwest, who actually seems to think that Donnie can return those jobs. Somehow. But managed to communicate that in four words on a hat.

        • Chucktech

          What astonishes me is that these midwest and rust belt voters don’t realize/will not accept the fact that even if those jobs DO come back, robots will be doing them. In fact, that’s the only way those manufacturing jobs will come back to the US.

          • Ninja0980

            Indeed, that is what is happening with the Carrier Deal.

          • fuow

            I share your astonishment.

        • CanuckDon

          Flash a few dollars under their nose and promise that they can start calling people names again. It seemed to work unfortunately.

      • GayOldLady

        It doesn’t make any difference what the Democratic Candidate says IF the MSM is fixated on Trump to the exclusion of the message of our candidate. That happened to Hillary over and over again during the primary. They literally covered word-for-word Trump rallies, waiting for him to say something outrageous or the crowd to do something outrageous, while Hillary rallies were barely covered.

        • Gerry Fisher

          My main hope is that, just like his rise, his fall will be Must Watch TV and great for the ratings!!! [heaving noises]

      • fuow

        Actually, we’re awful at communicating.

    • GayOldLady

      During the primary I would watch as MSNBC and CNN would cover Trumps entire rallies while they’d have a tiny box in the right hand corner of the screen of a Hillary rally

      • Oikos

        Dems relied too heavily on President Obama-both within the party apparatchik and on local levels.

      • greenmanTN

        Every word that came from his mouth was “good TV” because it was somewhat ridiculous, caused talk, so they covered his every utterance.

        Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton could have dowsed herself in gasoline and struck a match and it would be covered the next day in 3 paragraphs with headline “Hillary’s emails continue to burn.”

        If there is ANY good news it’s that the thin-skinned Cheeto is going to make them rue the day they gave him so much attention when the 4th Estate becomes further under attack. Too bad, so sad, but maybe if you’d done your fucking job in the first place you wouldn’t be in this position.

        • CanuckDon

          Even in my part of the world in Ontario, our local news would show corporate-driven, biased stories on Hillary. I really started to notice subtle things like how they grayed her skin tone to make her look more evil whenever it was about her emails. If it was a more positive story on her, the photo was much brighter.

          • Chucktech

            Jesus, Canadian media pulls that subtle, post-production editorializing crap, too?

          • CanuckDon

            Thankfully, that bit of subtle deviousness didn’t seem to sway the majority of Canadian support for Hillary.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            To be fair, it wasn’t every outlet. Global and CTV seemed to do it, but CITY, CBC and CHCH (when they were still around) didn’t. That all said, we still liked her.

  • GayOldLady

    If they don’t MIND considering Women then there is “new talent”, which I see as people who are known, but not worn out. I personally like Kirsten Gillibrand, NY. Then there’s Chris Murphy, MA. I like Corey Booker, but I don’t expect to see him run. During the search for a VP candidate Trump threatened Booker in a tweet warning him “If Cory Booker is the future of the Democratic Party, they have no future! I know more about Cory than he knows about himself”. NO DOUBT Trump is getting his intelligence about Democratic hopefuls from his Comrade Russia/Putin.

    • greenmanTN

      Corey has shown up in my dreams once or twice, but not as a politician.

      I still remember watching the DNC in 2000(?) when Obama spoke and I thought, “Damn! Who is this guy? That was great!”

      We do need to foster new talent. It’s so ridiculous, but modern politics requires they at least be somewhat photogenic AND inspiring speakers, which is often a hard combo to find.

      • GayOldLady

        Well, trump was the exception to the “photogenic AND inspiring”

        • Chucktech

          Yeah, apparently bombastic and mesmerizing works, too. Certainly with deplorables.

          • UrsusArctos

            I think a LOT of it WAS the message. Bernie isn’t photogenic. I’m not a Bernie Bro. I did see his message play well in the Deep South. The contents of the vessel does matter. In this case a lot of people felt the Democratic messenger couldn’t recognize “genuine” in a crowd.

          • fuow

            Very well put. Bernie really did hit the right note with a lot of people who voted for Trump. Why more people in my party aren’t willing to accept that puzzles me.

          • UrsusArctos

            HRC actually did stand the better chance of winning, unfortunately. Bernie would have been trampled for being an outsider socialist who threatened DC. The Democratic establishment feared this. The GOP establishment feared Trump, BUT was hellbent on winning at any cost. Determination to win defeating raw self interest should come as a surprise to no-one.

          • fuow

            No arguing that – but we had a riled up, engaged group of young people whom we should have held onto. We didn’t. Some went Trump. Many went Stein. Most stayed home.
            That’s our fault.

          • Circ09

            If those young people were so riled up and engaged they would have shown up for the primaries instead of just for brunch and some rah-rah rallies. They didn’t. A lot of these young people like to talk big but don’t show up to do the work when it counts.

          • Circ09

            I like a lot of Bernie’s message too. But the numbers don’t support what you say. The deep south democrats still went for Hillary Clinton by large margins in the primaries. And the rest voted for Trump.

    • JCF

      Drumpf OBVIOUSLY gay-baiting Booker.

  • fuow

    gods, yes.
    Oh, and we have to, simply must, find a way to get our voters to the polls in the off-years. That’s killing us. It’s something I have never understood. Why don’t we vote in the off-years? Rethugs do.

    • Todd20036

      Because today’s millennials never knew what it was like to have basic rights suppressed.
      I’m not 50 yet, but I’m old enough to remember when gays were ignored when we were dying of a plague.

      • Ninja0980

        Not to mention voting rights, reproductive rights etc.

        • Oikos

          ‘Because today’s millennials never knew what it was like to have basic rights suppressed.’

          It would seem they are going to find out.

          • fuow

            No shit.
            I have focused my anger on gay men who didn’t vote – being a gay man, that makes sense. Doesn’t change the fact that young women who stayed home or voted ‘green’ because Hillary didn’t ‘speak to them’ are about to learn just exactly what Hillary has had to fight against her whole life.
            They deserve it, too. Maybe it will wake them up.
            For my fellow gay men who couldn’t be bothered to vote, just you wait ’till they pull the financial support for the cocktail drugs that have kept so many alive. Their deaths are directly on your heads, you A-List-Asswipes.

          • it depends on what kind of ‘rights’ we’re talking about.

            things that used to be “rights” or at least “basic expectations as an american citizen:” quality education, free thru high school, cheaply or free in exchange for service, in college and beyond. reasonable mortgages and home prices in areas where there are jobs. COLA adjustments every year or two that accurately reflect real inflation. opportunities to start up new businesses and compete in a market that does not penalize them for being new and small. a stock market that had some semblance of an activity that relates to the economy of people including those who have no portfolio. retirement that is at least comfortable. a system that enforces “time served for a crime is the only penalty, and that time shall be allotted fairly.”

            they may be ignorant of the “bad old days” when hatred and bigotry were firmly enshrined in law. but a lot of older folks seem equally ignorant of what the younger generations are facing right now, that the older ones never did. at least the white older ones.

            what good are laws enshrining equality and fairness, if in reality and practice, they are never applied? THAT is what a lot of millennials are asking people older than they, right now.

    • Chucktech

      IMO, it’s because only angry people vote in mid terms and Democrats simply aren’t engaged or angry enough. Look who votes in mid terms: Disgruntled elderly, angry christian sheep, and gun nuts.

      • CanuckDon

        It seems to be a frustrating fact but part of the reason is that angry people tend to not have many friends and social lives. This isolation results in them focusing more on politics and elections in order to voice their anger.

        • JCF

          These are both good explanations. I would add: nothing so motivates Rethugs as FEAR—and Fear is a POWERFUL motivator.

          Well, maybe it’ll take the election of the Pussy-Groper-in-Chief to TERRIFY Dems as much as Rethugs *always* are.

      • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

        We also have to work for a living. Elections held during the middle of the week which means working people only have time to go before and after work. The lines are long so that its impossible to wait the hours needed to cast a ballot.

    • UrsusArctos

      Some of it is because the Democratic party ceded most of “flyover country” to focus on pumping up the numbers in presidential elections. This time that bit all of us in the butt. Voters in EVER county count.
      Much of the Democratic under-vote in off years is because there are NO democrats to vote for, due to lack of party building outside of areas rich for fund raising for incumbents.
      This year the chickens came home to roost for Caravelle, Emmanuel, Wassermann-Schultz and the rest of the “triangulators”.
      The message from this should be “When given a choice between faux-GOP and the real thing people will chose authentic even if it is bad for them.”

  • TrollopeReader

    Yay. of course that *was* what Debbie W-S was to have done for the last few years.

    • fuow

      She was a disaster. Those of us on the left who ALSO believe we have to win ALL states said so.
      Frequently.

      • TrollopeReader

        even if a race is a sure loss, find a good person to run … at least the issues get discussed (hopefully!)

  • Ninja0980

    Not only do we need new talent, but our base needs to be made aware that even not so sexy races such as AG, SOS, school board and city council matter just as much as the WH and Senate do.

  • Dedangelo

    I cannot wait to read his memoirs. And I hope FLOTUS writes one, too.

  • greenmanTN

    OT, But Disqus fucking up for the 4th day in a row is really starting to piss me off.

    • Ninja0980

      Same here, they need to fix their damn problems… NOW!

    • Treant

      Yeah, this borked thing totally isn’t working for me and I’m looking behind Disqus’ back for another comment program relationship. No bloatware.

    • the russian hackers are generating lists of comments and people who made them who are going to be targeted and identified as “terrorists” later on. the folks at disqus are out of their league and unable to keep up. ha ha, i’m kidding!

      or am i…

  • Oikos
    • TrollopeReader

      there’s going to be schools in the future?

    • ColdCountry

      A lot of people already have to pay for water, and more do it by choice.

  • UrsusArctos

    That’s nice. /snark I hope it is more than talk. Us Democrats outside the Coastal Blue Bubbles need support and attention on party building.
    This sounds a LOT like Howard Dean’s 50 State Strategy the Clintons and Democratic machine killed off intentionally so there would be no one to challenge HRC. They lost 8 years of party building to focus on a goal they missed.
    The Democrats need to stop writing off huge swaths of the country. A few more votes in red tending districts and none of this storm and drang would be necessary. Democrats running GOP-lite/Blue Dogs/Center Left as currently defined they will dig the hole deeper.
    In places like AL, MS, LA the angry folk will excitedly go with the noisiest, most on message, most “populist” candidate they see – right OR left. The winning GOP message for president was VERY close to a Progressive Democratic one on jobs and a couple of other issues. Yes, he went so far right he ran on some far left ideas. The shame is that the substance is GOP delusions for the beaten up middle class to comfort themselves that someone cares about THEM.
    Here in MS, most of the recent Democratic candidates have been hopeless, fringe “candidates” – without experience, filling in a place on the ballot (if there’s even a Democratic choice present).
    In those 3 states there IS enough “blue” vote to make all those states “purple” if only there was someone to get excited for and actually turn out to vote FOR. Because there’s no support in place to train/groom low level candidates there are NO “centers left” candidates running for anything in more and more “fly-over country”.

    • TrollopeReader

      yep. the parties need to get over the cult-of-the-personality. one (liberal) commenter in Boston said (about this time last year) that the two parties could save time and money by nominating Hillary and JEB! for 2016 and 2020, and Chelsea and George P. Bush for 2024 and 2028 … he was snarking, but it is the way the parties were pre-Bernie and pre-Donnie….

  • Dan M

    Sadly, with the current Democratic party that probably means looking for leaders in their mid 60’s instead of their mid 70’s. The group that is in power controls the money and they aren’t going to give it up to younger candidates.

  • i know a lot of yall round here love him, but i for one would like him to stay as far away from younger democrats and their careers as possible. let him raise money for rich candidates who don’t need any help; he’s good at that.

    what he utterly sucks at is keeping his word to any progressive, younger or otherwise. right now the last thing we need right now is more “younger, highly similar to the older, neoliberal democrats.”

    on this topic, i just can’t trust a man who literally threw single-payer democrats out of the building, while cozying up to the insurance industry, during the run up to the ACA. or one who in his own words promised to join people opposing Walker in WI when it could’ve made a difference, and instead flew right over them to attend a thousands per plate fundraiser dinner with the elite in another state. those are just two examples that i can think of off the top of my head; there are many more.

    • fuow

      Sadly, your side and my side of the Democratic party didn’t bother to vote. He’s the best organizer we’ve got right now.

      • my side voted, i’m not sure which you think i’m on.

        • fuow

          I’m too your left on everything but gun control.
          I know for a fact many on my side didn’t vote and unless your side has not gay men and no young women, then yours failed as abysmally as did mine.

    • Goggles

      I’m similarly sceptical of the quality of talent he’d bring in. Obama has unofficially endorsed Tom Perez for DNC chair, for example. Perez supports the TPP, FFS. Neolibs are political poison now. Obama won on his charisma, which is certainly abundant, and a vague sense of change, which turned out to just be neoliberal incrementalism.

      The Dems can’t afford to push away the progressive wing of the party any more if they ever hope to win another election. At best I could see Obama in a fundraising or hype man role, but I’m not sure he’d be willing to rep for the kind of candidates that can actually win.

    • Chucktech

      i just can’t trust a man who literally threw single-payer democrats out of the building, while cozying up to the insurance industry, during the run up to the ACA.

      Seems to me if he had not done what you say, there would never have been Obamacare at all. And we have Republican opposition, not to mention the K Street Gang, to thank for that.

      • sorry, my friend. i know what happened b/c at the time i was working with some of the people who were actually in the building, during the time when “views would be considered from all interested parties.” i used the word “literally” for a reason, and not lightly. the report of it is over at my old blog, but i’ve got too much stuff to do to go dig it up right now. i’ll ask you to trust me, and/or do some research. i have this annoying brain injury/memory problem that is causing me to forget the exact name of the Professor and his group, but their reps did a couple of guest posts from on the ground.

        the orders to toss them came from O’s admin and staff, not rethugs.

  • Jon Doh

    We are fortunate he doesn’t just walk away from the shitshow he has had to deal with. I am surprised he has a fuck left to give.

  • Lawerence Collins

    No! No! No! For the democrats to thrive they must take an actual progressive lead and start being the party of the people, not the corporatist establishment donors!

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    My, how quickly the worm turns and rats jump the ship.

    Reading many of the comments here, one would swear Obama was a cruel and venal despot who did absolutely nothing positive for his nation. Truly, the acolytes of Trump and his ‘my way or the highway’ seem to have slipped into the consciousness of many on JMG. How else to explain the rigid, almost authoritarian nature of their brand of whine? Was Obama perfect? No. Did he ever claim to be so? No. Did people foist their own expectations, ridiculously unrealistic though they may be, upon him? Most definitely YES!

    Not everything progressive or liberal was achieved, but to hear many here tell it, Obama was an abject failure. Really? You didn’t get every single thing you wanted, so Obama’s now a pariah, a failure? As much as I would have loved to see more done, especially in areas of foreign policy and a shake up of the financial sector, I cannot and will not simply throw away or cast aspersions on what he did do…and he did much good you know. Not that that matters to the oppressives on the right or the regressives on the left. Neither of those two vapid & rigidly dogmatic wings will ever be satisfied.

    I’ve said it before and I will repeat it until it sinks in, politics is not rigid ideology, it’s pragmatism. Pragmatism demands compromise and co-operation, rigidity demands absolute obedience. That people can’t seem to grasp the not-at-all-subtle difference is maddening. Obama was a pragmatist and did what he could and I would like to think that he can still contribute. But to those who have nothing but contempt, all I can say is: enjoy the Trump years, you’ve earned them.

  • BeaverTales

    the Democrats who didn’t want Hillary nominated Obama in 2008. The Dems who didn’t want Hillary couldn’t unite behind Hillary in 2016 to give her the states he won in 2012. The Reps who didn’t want Trump still united behind Trump. The winning coalition that defeats finally Trump in 2020 will have to win without Hillary. If the Democrats ignore the obvious and try to nominate Hillary again in 2020, we will most likely have 8 years of Trump instead of 4.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      We won’t win in 2020 because the Republicans won’t let us. Hillary didn’t lose the election. It was stolen through voter suppression, gerrymandering, and probably Russian hacking. There was literally no way for any Democrat to win the 2016 election and there won’t be any way for us to win any going forward. The Republicans will make sure of that. The only thing we can do is exit the union.

  • JCF

    “There are such incredible young people”

    But WHY DON’T THEY VOTE??? In EVERY election????

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