How To Reverse Obergefell In Three Steps [VIDEO]

Just in from activist Matt Baume: “The National Organization for Marriage says that now Donald’s president, they have a plan to undo marriage equality. But can they do that? Is marriage equality really at risk? Well, yes — and in fact, they could weaken or roll back marriage in just three steps.” Watch below.

  • Oikos

    They will do this as soon as they control SCOTUS.

    • Frostbite

      And repeal abortion as well. And who knows what else.

      • Todd20036

        Maybe nationalize Christianity – amend the first amendment to make sure it’s for Christians only

  • Oikos

    If you don’t think it can happen, you haven’t been paying attention.

    • lattebud

      No.. We have to worry about the emails the Russians have on Trump, Ryan, McConnell, etc. and how they will use those to blackmail them to screw over America

      • Todd20036

        You are giving Americans too much credit.

        Trump already cheated thousands out of their life savings, groped women, raped a girl, and was openly racist.

        Whatever Putin does have on Trump, the Trumpanzees won’t give a shit.

  • Mike in Texas

    As if this day wasn’t horrible enough with the the electoral college voting …

  • leastyebejudged

    “Marriage Equality” has always been bullshit when you can be fired the day after the wedding.

  • Oikos

    I’m going to buy a weapon. It goes against everything I believe, but I think major oppression is coming.

    • PickyPecker

      I’m with you. Make sure you sign up for safety classes and know where your nearest shooting range is so that you know what you are doing.

      • Oikos

        I can buy a rifle or shotgun here in NY without any permits, etc.

        • PickyPecker

          Make sure you actually ‘handle’ the weapon prior to making a purchase. They vary so much in weight and balance. If you are to be comfortable firing the weapon, you want to be able to handle it quickly and effectively.

          • Oikos

            Thank you. Will do.

          • Mikey

            stop talking about guns πŸ™
            you guys are making me cry so badly right now. I know it’s bad and it’s only going to get worse, but my sitting here worrying about you having to buy guns is giving me nightmares.
            I wish there was something I could do to help, other than cry.

            Just a few short years ago, who would have thought my brothers and sisters would have to arm themselves to protect themselves?

          • Oikos

            Sorry but I do not intend to go quietly if things go south. Prepare yourself Mikey. I hope I am wrong.

          • but what is a gun supposed to do…of course protecting yourself is one thing but to have a gun for the sake of having one is like having flood insurance in the middle of the Sahara…it seems pointless and incredibly myopic…

          • Oikos

            It is to protect my home and family if need be.

          • I see…as many people have stated practice with it and lastly have a designated safe and secure place for it…

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Most of us hate talking about it too.
            But now, we have to.

          • TheThruster

            It’s horrifying πŸ™

          • Oikos

            It is and nothing I ever imagined I would have to do.

          • TheThruster

            I know. A decade of hope and moving in the right direction, and now this?! What the actual fuck is going on! A living nightmare, is what it is. I’m so far away, and practically all I can do, is watch in horror. But the whole f*cking world is moving backwards, it seems. My heart is breaking for us all. A “miracle” would do nicely, just around now, thank you. Stay strong, and RAGE HARD!

          • Jay George

            (((hug)))

          • Nic Peterson

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        • PickyPecker

          Also, Paula or RG here on JMG can provide you with tips on models, etc. πŸ˜‰

        • Paula

          If the store has a range attached, shoot it first to see which is better for you. I don’t know where you live in NY but, if it is in an urban setting, get a shotgun. Simple operation, powerful, safe and needs the least proficiency to use.
          You can get low recoil ammunition for the shotgun, so you don’t destroy your shoulder. Now that I am getting older its what I shoot.

          • Oikos

            I’m in a suburban setting but was leaning toward a shotgun.

          • PickyPecker

            How often do those need to be cleaned, oiled and/or fired, Paula?

          • Butch

            Cleaned and oiled any time they’re used or if you see any sign of oxidation. Don’t worry about how often you fire it, although do fire it enough to know the weapon (you don’t want to be fumbling to load it and DON”T keep it loaded) but do make sure the shells aren’t too ancient.

          • Todd20036

            I live in DC. I am in what is considered an oasis.
            Plus there are enough cops and secret agents that no neo Nazi will get very far if they pull that sort of shit.
            If DC falls, then it’s time to leave

          • Paula

            Oiled 6 months. I clean mine every time I shoot them.

          • fuow

            Also one of those ‘close counts’ weapons I like.
            Never give someone out to hurt you or your animals or your family a fair chance.
            We keep a pair under the bed, just barely long enough to be legal. By a hair.

          • Gil

            shaver

          • fuow

            Just about. They’re legal, and I hope we never have to use them. If I have to chose between our animals, my husband, child or grandchildren, his wife or the occasional guest and some christian asswipe out to teach us gays a lesson, it’s the mother-fucking christian who won’t live to regret breaking into our home and attacking us.
            Two attempts to burn down barns with animals in them were enough.

          • Jay George

            Okay, I googled ‘close counts’ weapons and I still don’t know what they are.

          • Butch

            The shot comes close enough to count, in other words, to at least do some damage or scare away the attacker.

          • Jay George

            Thank you.

          • fuow

            Oh, sorry. It’s an old saying: Close only counts in hand-grenades and horseshoes. And thermonukes, I guess, today.
            Shotguns in general and just barely legal not-quite-sawed-off shotguns in particular also fall into the ‘close counts’ category – anything you point and shoot at within several meters is going to be dead, even if your aim is off by quite a bit. Ideal defensive weapon for the home-owner who neither has the time nor the ability to learn how to aim and shoot well.
            The dispersion pattern combined with the uumpf behind it is enough to guarantee the intruder will be dead that one needn’t worry about having to regroup.
            Which is the whole point. There’s also something delightfully menacing about a big, nasty shotgun which a delicate little .22 (just as lethal) doesn’t convey.
            Not that an intruder would ever get to one of the grandkids who is staying here – the dogs roam the house at night and they have zero sense of humour, no PC, no ‘second-chance’, no, let’s talk to Fierce about it first before we convene a committee to discuss it mentality. Approach the grandkids without a family member or close friend of the family or servant and you’re going to wish you’d died at the end of the shotgun. Rottweiler have absolutamente no grey-area when it comes to protecting the young of their family.

          • Oikos

            Thanks. I wrote down the low recoil ammo thing.

          • EweTaw

            Paula, that’s too much sound advice. I just dug down into the stuff I inherited from a gay uncle and found his Luger P0.8. It was made in 1911, but German quality and all that. It’s a bitch to find ammo that fits. I’ve also got a meeting with my father this week (lunch with the brethren) to discuss obtaining one or his rifles or shotguns.

          • Paula

            I take it that it shoots the 7.65 mm ammo? If that is the case, just look for .30 Luger ammo or 7.65 Luger. The old gun ammo has had a resurgence in the last several years. You can buy new ammo for it.
            If its the (mm, just buy any 9mm for it. You may want to have a gunsmith check out the pistol first.
            Gun accidents are very unforgiving.

          • EweTaw

            I’m from the land of gun accidents. They are a timed honored tradition during deer and elk hunting seasons in the Inter-mountain west and depended upon by the locals for thinning many large families. Surprisingly, the 9mm stuff fits and amusingly, for such an old automatic pistol it has a safety mechanism. The sales/gun guru at Gun World explained buying a newer hand gun wouldn’t buy me much more as far as quality and utility, but he would be “happy” to take it off my hands. I’ve sent the holster off to the saddle shop for professional cleaning, repair and revival. Now I have to decide what kind of rifle or shotgun to choose from my father’s vast collection. I done got my gun certification and training from the good ol’ NRA when I was a Boy Scout. Such memories. :-/

          • Nic Peterson

            Classy piece. Was your uncle an international man of mystery and intrigue?

          • EweTaw

            He was classy. He was intriguing. But he had the misfortune to serve in the Army during WWI.

          • Dean

            Thanks for the tip. I didn’t know about low-recoil ammo.

          • Circ09

            Exactly. And the best thing about a shotgun is you rarely have to actually use it. It’s a deterrent all its own. Anyone halfway sane will leave when they hear it being readied. Everyone knows that sound and what it means.

        • PickyPecker

          I spoke recently with my sister who is in KC. She and her husband are stocking up on ammunition, cash and canned goods. They are NOT what I would consider ‘tinfoil hat’ types either.

          • Oikos

            I’ve already started buying canned food.

          • PickyPecker

            Same here.

          • Michael White

            How much do you buy I am asking in all seriousness. I think about it too but …..

          • Oikos

            Every time I go to the store I buy 4 or 5 cans.

          • Gil

            The Dollar Tree and Dollar General sores around here are a great place to go for canned goods..

          • Oikos

            My local supermarket has a pretty good selection. I need to buy a labeler to keep track of age.

          • PickyPecker

            I’ve been going the ‘sharpie’ route and dating them on the tops. πŸ™‚

          • Oikos

            Good idea

          • Michael Abbett

            Those are both owned in red states by people who give money to the Republicans, BTW. Dollar General outsources it’s call center to the Philippines.

          • PickyPecker

            What oikos said for me as well. Keep in mind that the majority of canned goods have an extremely LONG shelf life. Even things like tinned fish (tuna, salmon, etc) will keep for a very long time.

          • NancyP

            Canned tomatoes tend to have a shorter shelf life, I have had cans go bad – acid in tomato juice rots out the can.

          • NowAnAgnostic

            The same goes for canned pineapple. I’ve had the acid leak through the can on the cupboard shelf.

          • Cans of “cocktail wieners” will self destruct in humid climates. (Lessons of hurricane supplies bought and not used.) Have two buckets of grub, not the sawdust and insect parts that the televangelist sells.

          • Michael Abbett

            Don’t forget sardines. They are excellent for you, have a long shelf life, almost no mercury because they are low on the food chain, and are cheap. They’re actually in such huge abundance now due to overfishing of their natural predators that the sardines make up less of the cost than the tin can they come in.

          • Todd20036

            3 or 4 ” armageddon buckets” should be enough.

          • Paula

            Armageddon some myself!

          • Stogiebear

            Youllbegeddon some intestinal distress, Missy!

          • Paula

            Be sure to store the foods that you like to eat. i.e. six months of pork and beans or tuna fish and you will be ready to kill yourself.

          • Oikos

            Yeah, only things we like. No lima beans for me. πŸ˜‰

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      My partner said the exact same thing a few days ago.

      I just cant believe all this shit. It’s fucking real.

      • Oikos

        It’s fucking terrifying to have to think about these things.

        • PickyPecker

          But ever so impractical to NOT think….and prepare.

          • Oikos

            But still awful. All the things hubby and I have planned on doing in our lives may never happen. All because our fellow countrymen are hateful fucking bigots and narcissists.

          • Jay George

            I said the same thing about buying a gun two or three days ago and I fucking hate guns. I hate to passively support the NRA with gun buying because they helped get Cheeto Hitler in the White House. I hate that in a country where tax dollars pay to support law enforcement, I suddenly don’t feel safe.

          • Oikos

            Just how I feel. Things are changing too quickly to not take notice. The normalization of fascism began on the campaign trail. It is easy to see how the German populace fell under the yoke of Nazism after watching the enabling of orange hitler.

          • Ninja0980

            Indeed.. it’s scary as hell.

        • Paula

          You don’t have to go full survivalist/militia member.
          Just be prepared. Be aware of what is happening around you,. Evaluate news and use common sense to make decisions. You brain is your best weapon.

    • Barry S G

      I bought my first pistols a couple of weeks ago, one for home and one for personal defense. Took a safety class and have been to the range a couple times. Got my carry permit for GA and just today received my concealed carry holster.
      To all who are considering this move, learn proper gun safety. There are plenty of resources on Youtube (you just have to hold your nose to some of the political BS). And also practice, practice, practice so you feel comfortable and proficient. You might also check out if there is a Pink Pistols group in your area.
      The recent election has unleashed the mad dogs of our society and seeing the makeup of the coming administration I don’t expect any aid from that quarter. We must stand up for ourselves, because the republicans who will be taking control of all three branches of government will not.

      • Oikos

        No pink pistols active in my area. Agree with everything you posted. I’ve been thinking these same things since the election.

      • Barry S G

        I’d like to expand on a few things. First, do some research before purchasing a gun. Yes, a Glock is great but there are many other semiautomatics that are much less. I am retired, so not a great deal of disposable income. I got a Hi-Point C9 for home and a Taurus PT111 Millennial G2 for carry. If possible stick with one caliber of weapon.
        Ideally a shotgun makes a great home defense weapon, a handgun for personal protect, and a rifle for hunting (if you are in an area that makes hunting an option. You don’t need to be Rambo, with an AR 15. If we do enter a SHTF (as the survivalist call it, I’ll let you figure out the acronym) situation this should keep you ok. Also don’t forget about ammunition.

        • Oikos

          A pistol is a lot of paperwork in NYS. I can and will buy a shotgun without much hassle and as Paula suggested low recoil ammo.

        • Michael Abbett

          If anyone is behind the person I shoot coming through my front door it’s probably a safe bet they didnt come there to protect me.

    • Ninja0980

      Hubby and I have our guns ready to go if need be.

    • Stogiebear

      Coming out of the artillery closet here: I did that in November right after the election. It’s something I thought I would never do.

      Smith & Wesson Performance Center 627 snub nose 8-shot .357 magnum revolver. Got the 8-shot one because I figured as big a klutz as I can be it probably needed to have as many bullets in it to begin with as possible.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/057deb1ecf758cdda6c2c20a96890115f71ec6716e87d339049ad40fe744aa05.jpg

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        If I have to like gins, I think I like this one

      • Paula

        A Performance Center gun… I am impressed.

        • Stogiebear

          To be honest, so am I!!! LOL LOL LOL I really did decide to go with it because of the 8-shot thingy.

          Far more than I had intended to spend but it saw me coming and just screamed out, “Me! Me! Me! Buy me!!!” So I did. Revolver, check. Ammo, check. Training scheduled, check. ID paperwork, check. Passport, check. Now to finish up all the estate stuff and have the finances all taken care of.

          May we speak privately? [email protected]

          • Paula

            Hey Stogie. I didn’t write the address down. I sent a message to what I remembered, Check your mail.

          • Stogiebear

            Got it and replied. Thank you!

    • Danieruw

      I know a guy who bought 4 tasers: one for his car, one for his husband’s car, one for home and one to carry around.

    • JamesR

      There’s some surprisingly good advice on this thread, I would add though: hearing protection. It will be louder than you’d thought, (and even way way louder if ever discharged indoors) you need to get used to it and not flinch. And the stock MUST be on your shoulder firmly or you will get a bad bruising. On your shoulder you won’t get sore for a while, depending you the gauge and your shoulder…

      Just remember just about EVERYTHING you have EVER seen on TV or movies regarding the proper safe handling of a gun is wrong. Don’t EVER point it where you wouldn’t shoot, and NEVER at a person (even when ‘unloaded’ it’s a THING don’t do it,) know where your safeties are in the dark / by reflex and don’t keep one in the chamber (!? usually a poor idea) don’t keep your finger on the trigger when carrying, don’t play with it, and you will have eliminated the possibilities of having all the most common of accidents. Learn how far whatever you shoot goes – like bullets can go through entire houses and a mile or so free flight, shot from a shotgun dissipates into non-lethality within 80 yards or so, is supreme at close ranges but can be stopped by walls at distance. Things to consider in an urban environment. I would recommend something like a Mossberg 500 or old Remington 870 (new ones are pricey and same quality as Mossberg, for your purposes.) Most salespeople will be happy to show you your options and also how the stock fits. Shotguns are quite versatile, and skeet is fun if you can find a range.

    • Boy Elvis

      They’re certainly going to try. But one thing they can’t roll back is the approval that LGBT rights now enjoy with the American population. If you feel you need a weapon, go for it, but that’s the last line of defense. The first line is activism.

      • Oikos

        If they control all the branches of govt, they can do whatever they want. Don’t kid yourself that it can’t happen here.

        • Boy Elvis

          I absolutely believe it can happen here. But I also believe we can and will resist. I don’t know what the future holds, but I do know I won’t take it lying down.

          • Oikos

            I’m planning on resisting in many ways. A weapon is just one of those ways if my family is threatened.

  • greenmanTN

    Can they negate marriages that have already occured?

    I thought this was settled law and even Trump has indicated he thought the same, but he’s placing some seriously homophobic people in key positions, and they will do everything that can to undermine our rights.

    • Bared Bear

      Trump will be on vacation more than Dubya. He’s just going to be the shiny knob on the door of the asylum.

      • PickyPecker

        aka. MAGA

      • greenmanTN

        That’s what the dumbasses who voted for him don’t get. He’s a figurehead, wants to be the face and get attention, but he delegates the real work to other people and given the people he has appointed we are seriously fucking screwed.

    • Talisman

      If they can get the “right” ruling from the Supreme Court (and I’ll be Roberts and Thomas are already being briefed on exactly how to craft the opinion), they can make it as if the marriages never happened.

    • another_steve

      No. A tipping point has been reached in this country. Too many straight people know openly LGBT people, including married same-sex couples. Too many moms and pops and siblings and aunts and uncles have married queer children/siblings/nieces and nephews.

      This video of Baume’s is overly alarmest imo. People who want others to watch and listen to them so that they can make money tend to be that way. It sells.

      Yes, we know the enemy wants us dead. Yes, we know they’ll try to legislate against us. Given the “right” Supreme Court, I think marriage could be returned to the states for a state-by-state decision.

      But no way are existing marriages going to be “negated.”

      • Michael Abbett

        That’s the reason we’re prepping to move to Washington State, the fear that marriage might revert back to the states, and we’re in Pence’s shithole, Indiana. That, and being within a close drive of Vancouver…

        • another_steve

          Imo, people who have been considering marrying their same-sexed loved ones should get married. Now. Before marriage is returned to the states.

          If Trump gets two or three picks to the Supreme Court, I think there’s a good chance marriage might revert to the states.

          I strongly doubt that any same-sex marriage — already performed in any state — will be negated, but we might very well find ourselves pre-Obergefell with regard to “new” marriages.

          • Michael Abbett

            I agree. We drove to Iowa and got married before it was legal in Indiana. Not going back to the way things were. If we have to, Canada is an option.

          • another_steve

            Canada is lovely, but too cold in the winter.

          • Michael Abbett

            Hubby has already passed on opportunities in Bellevue, Washington in the past, but those and ones like them are still available, until Trump manages to crash the economy of course. Vancouver is only about an hour or so from there and not much colder than Seattle/Bellevue. Believe me, we’ve thought all this through and then some. Barring any unforeseen catastrophes we’ll be gone in a year. We should never have bought this money pit, or any property in Indiana for that matter.

          • another_steve

            Seattle holds a special place in my heart.

            When my dad served during WWII, he was a prison guard in Seattle Washington. He befriended a German prisoner of war being held there — an artist — who was starved to do his art, denied it by war.

            My dad gave him a photo of himself and his then-girlfriend (my mother) and the prisoner did this incredibly beautiful pencil recreation of it. In his prison cell.

            Dated 1944, the pencil drawing hangs today in my home.

          • Michael Abbett

            That is a great memory and a great story.

  • Bared Bear

    Yep. Just as I feared. But at least we don’t have to worry about Hillary’s emails.

  • Gigi

    But, but, but Trump’s gay supporters said this could never happen because he held up a Pride flag that one time.

    • Halou

      The most gay friendly republican candidate ever, or so the morons down at the Log Cabin told us.

      • Gigi

        The most gay friendly candidate to ever be elected President! (According to them.)

    • lattebud

      He held it upside down… a sign of distress.

    • Todd20036

      And because Trump himself claimed he was a friend of the gays

      • Gigi

        He’s a good friend of The Blacks as well.

        • UrsusArctos

          Only “His Blacks”, if I recall.

    • John

      I beileve the dummkopf held it upside down

    • Ninja0980

      Yup and because he said nice things after the Pulse Massacre.

  • bkmn

    The religious right is going to demand nothing less for helping him get elected.

  • Jeffrey

    He sold his soul to those cΓ»nts and unlike liberals they will demand payment in full for services rendered.

    • Silver Badger

      FLAGGED. Widen your vocabulary, Jeffrey. There are many appropriate expletives.

      • fuow

        Seriously? After all of this, you’re riding the PC-Politessa broom?
        CΓ»nts is the perfect term for the asswipes and I shall use it a lot over the next few years.

        • Silver Badger

          Seriously! Use it somewhere else. This is one of the VERY FEW terms that are offensive on JMG. Grow up and follow the very few rules.

          • fuow

            Joe permits it as long as it’s misspelled. When he changes the rules, I’ll abide by the new ones.
            As to the grow up part, it’s the PC-Politessas like you who have cost us so very much these past years. I will not bow down to your PC yoke.

          • Silver Badger

            Ain’t my rules. Do as you will. I personally don’t care. A word is only worth the meaning attached to it. I am tired of people slamming Joe by refusing to abide by his rules. Showing simple respect to Joe is a small thing, but an important one.

          • Adam Schmidt

            Principles matter most when times are hard. When it’s easy, principles cost you nothing. When it’s hard, that’s when you see what a person really believes. This is why I still will not buy a gun, nor will I use someone’s race, gender, or identity as a swear word.

            But you should understand that the words you use say more about you than they do the people you’re speaking of.

          • Silver Badger

            You are absolutely correct.. I will admit I don’t own a gun because I can’t see well enough to use one effectively. Principals matter.

          • EweTaw

            You want to shoot your principal?

          • Silver Badger

            Only if he gets in the way.

          • fuow

            I hear you – I’m blind as a bat without my glasses. Which is why the dogs roam the house at night. By the time somebody got through them to us, I’d have time to put on my glasses. Not that they’d get that far – Rottweiler have this delightful ability to coordinate and work as a pack as well as individually.
            Which is why pit-bulls leave them alone.

          • fuow

            Oh, puhlease, Mary. Enough with the pearl-clutching. You SJW and PC-Politessa are a big part of the reason we lost this November.
            I will gladly follow Joe’s rules. Yours? Not happening.
            Now, go back to your ivory tower and think up other ways you can cause us to lose in 2018.

          • Adam Schmidt

            If we act like Republicans then we’ve already lost.

          • fuow

            How about we grow a spine and act like Jeffersonian Democrats?

          • Frostbite

            But it’s ok to call someone an “idiot” (insulting their intelligence), “ass” (insulting a body part and/or animal), or some other trait on your list?

            You can’t pick one line of reasoning (“race”, “gender” or “identity”) and say that others (“intelligence”, “appearance”, “musical choices”, etc.) aren’t as worthy of respect if you’re going to toe the politically correct line. There are some countries where “cΓ»nt” is no worse a swear word than “shit” is in the US. “FΓ»ck” has certainly lost all meaning in the US as its populace has become numb to the overuse of the word.

            If you don’t like a particular swear word, mentally replace it with one of your choosing, ignore it, set up a filter to block all appearance of it, or block the user with Disqus. But claiming your swear words are superior to someone else’s is laughable, at best.

          • Gigi

            I must have missed that memo. I’ve been a member of the JMG community since its inception. When did Joe say the c-word was verboten?

          • Stogiebear

            As far as I remember, he hasn’t.

            I suspect some people have inflated a gentlemen’s and ladies’ agreement not to use it here into Joe banning it.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            I think StrGmother made a special plea for us to self ban it.

          • Gigi

            I don’t use it often but sometimes it’s the only word that seems appropriate.

          • fuow

            She did and I tried for a long time, but the nastiness from the PC-Politiessa and SJWs toward me for (grabs her pearls and swoons, elegantly onto her fainting couch) saying the following led me to give up:
            Gun Control: Using both hands to aim.

          • Silver Badger

            Joe and many of the womyn posting here find the term offensive. While I personally don’t care, Joe’s blog has been a gift to the community and I feel he is owed respect.

          • Gigi

            I’ve never seen Joe comment on the word. I know that he’s asked that we refrain, understandably, from making threats (feigned or otherwise) against people, but I’ve never seen him tell us not to use certain words. Using words that some find disagreeable is in no way disrespectful to Joe.

          • Silver Badger

            Using knowingly disagreeable words is just another form of hate speech.

          • Gigi

            No, it’s not.

          • Silver Badger

            Right. Have a nice day.

          • Gigi

            You too, SB!!

          • Silver Badger

            I will.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            You’ve said this about 5 times now. I suggest you try and post something containing the unadorned word in question and see what happens. The “rules” will be clear enough. They’ve been encoded so JMG doesn’t have to be a babysitter.

            If JMG DOES have to become a babysitter, he’ll probably just close it the fuck down. Then you’ll have plenty of time to text yourself the ‘c’ word all day.

          • Gigi

            It’s my understanding that the Disqus platform is responsible for blocking certain words, that it’s not Joe’s doing. I could be wrong. It’s different on every site that uses Disqus. At Towleroad, comments get thrown into moderation mode even if you use a word that’s in the article heading. It’s not about using the c-word – I could live the rest of my life very comfortably without ever using it again – I just found SB’s tone to be overly pedantic. I was having a bad day yesterday, so it’s possible it had more to do with my mood than his tone. I love our community here at JMG! I love that fact that we, for the most part, all get along, Sometimes we don’t, but at least we remain respectful.

          • Frostbite

            Oh that term is offensive to you but other offensive terms aren’t? Aren’t you a special little hypocrite.

          • Silver Badger

            I don’t personally care one way or another. What I’m asking is respect for Joe and HIS rules. If you can’t follow the house rules, don’t visit the house.

          • Frostbite

            Well if Joe has an issue with it I’m sure he’s quite capable of speaking up for himself. I don’t recall him electing you to be Grammar Nazi.

          • Silver Badger

            Grammar Nazi? Whatever. Grow up little fella. We’ll talk when you’re a little older and can understand the idea of respect. You’re sounding a little cranky. Take a nap.

          • Frostbite

            lol. I haven’t been called “little fella” in a few decades sweetie. Respect is earned, and you certainly haven’t earned any. Treat others how you want to be treated. So far you’ve tried to police others language, appointed yourself language enforced of this site, and now attempted to belittle me to try and save your ass. I’ve heard worse from better, cΓ»nt badger.

          • Silver Badger

            May others treat you exactly as you treat them. Hopefully, one day you will learn to argue with out the poorly thought out insults. Have a nice day frostbite.

          • Frostbite

            LOL. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t go throwing stones, “little fella”.

          • Silver Badger

            Whatever. Go on pretending you opinion has meaning. Have a nice, self centered day.

          • Frostbite

            LOL. Has just as much meaning as yours. And no, my universe doesn’t revolve around you.

          • Silver Badger

            It is pretty obvious that your universe revolves around yourself. Your entitlements and your privilege. Too bad. It is always such a shock when your dream world collapses. Don’t worry. This shock will likely help develop the character you seem to lack.

          • Frostbite

            LOL. Judge much? Funny how you go from Grammar Nazi to condescending to judgmental ass. None of them are pretty. They say with age comes maturity and wisdom, you have learned neither. And no, your opinion means nothing to me. Just another sad internet troll.

          • Silver Badger

            Poor little guy. Looks like I struck a nerve. You have a nice life now! BTW, this conversation is over.

          • Frostbite

            Lol. Nerve. You wish. As I said you’re a pretty sad troll. Try harder. I doubt you got my blood pressure up 2 points.

          • Gigi

            I’ve been around since JMG began. I’ve never seen him say that the c-word is verboten. Anyway, who died and made you hall monitor?

          • Silver Badger

            That’s nice dear. Would you like a cookie?

          • Gigi

            Thanks, but I don’t like cookies. I don’t like people who act like self-appointed hall monitors either.

          • Silver Badger

            That’ nice dear.

          • Gigi

            πŸ™‚

          • Frostbite

            Wow. Just noticed a whole lot of these threads telling SB to mind it’s own business. You’d think they would get the hint.

          • Gigi

            So it’s not just me? Gtk.

          • Gigi

            Who says? I’ve never seen Joe say that we can’t us that word.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Use the word without workarounds in a post, and your post goes to moderation. (As I learned when I tried to share a faaaaascinating tale about a Pointer Sisters video. I WUZ OPPRESSED… yet lived).

            Generally, JMG is forced to break out the ruler only occasionally, and it’s usually to gently remind us now and then about threats of violence.

          • Gigi

            The Pointer Sisters got you into trouble? Oh, the horror!! πŸ˜‰

            I’ve warned people about death threats in the past. Not acceptable, even if you’re joking. (Not sure how one can jokingly threaten to kill another person.)

          • Silver Badger

            What ever. Use all the dirty language you want. It does indeed say more about you than your subject. Having a diverse vocabulary is nice though.

          • Gigi

            Not behaving like a supercilious c#nt is nice as well.

          • Silver Badger

            How would you know?

        • NancyP

          OK, disease-ridden tiny dicks fuow and Jeffrey, how are those sores healing?
          Just because you don’t like female genitalia doesn’t mean everyone dislikes female genitalia. Try not being so stereotypical.

          • fuow

            Honey, the day you can mix it up with a Wyoming Queen is the day you done growed you some. I’ve got nothing against vaginas, but some people just are the picture in the Urban Dictionary next to the word cΓ»nt. Did you submit yours yet for the 2017 edition? I hear the competition for Politessa of the Year is going to be rather tight this year. Might want to grind those fangs a bit sharper, deary.

          • Silver Badger

            It’s a matter of respect. Joe and many of the women posting here don’t like the term. Joe has earned your respect.

          • fuow

            Joe surely has. The PC Politessa, not at all.
            I saw Pam’s Coffeehouse – the best discussion forum/blog on the internet, hands down, torn apart by the PC police. The moderators were horrid.
            There’s got to be an end to the PC, it’s sole purpose today is to force gay men to conform to the docile, not-quite-house-broke standards the radical Ivory League wants to impose on us.

      • EweTaw

        But he used a circumflex over the U. That’s way different than not using one. πŸ™‚

      • John Ruff

        No, they’re treasonous traitors, worthy of capital punishment

      • stuckinthewoods

        Why is that term considered off limits when similar ones for male genitalia to insult someone are not?

        • Silver Badger

          It’s a matter of respect for Joe and the women posting here. If you don’t give respect, you don’t deserve any.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Yup. Just the kind of question that haunts me in my dreams these days.

      • Jeffrey

        I don’t need your approval on my vocabulary and I certainly don’t behave like a child and tattle when I hear words I don’t like. Go flag yourself.

        • Silver Badger

          Poor fella. Your words say much more about yourself than they do me.

          • Jeffrey

            I’m not your poor fella, old man.

          • Silver Badger

            You’re certainly right their. On both counts.

        • Silver Badger

          You don’t need my approval. This is a good thing for you, as you won’t get my approval. Have a nice self centered day.

  • Gigi

    O/T: Has anyone else apart from me been having issues with Disqus notifications? In the comments sections of this and other pages I see likes and responses but they’re not showing up on the notifications page.

    • Oikos

      Disqus is all fucked up for the last 3 days.

    • SFBruce

      I’ve noticed a delay, but it seems to me they show up eventually, but I’ve been more quiet lately.

      • Gigi

        Mind hasn’t updated is 2 days.

    • Bared Bear

      Yep. It’s Putin. Probably tits out and riding a horse while hacking.

    • Silver Badger

      Hopefully Joe will get this fixed when returns. A small price to pay for the privilege of going to Joe’s place.

      • Gigi

        It’s not just here. It’s a problem with the Disqus platform.

    • JT

      It’s been going on for more than 2 day. There was a brief period when it seemed to be working right but then it went off again.

  • SFBruce

    What disgusts me about this is my belief that Donald Trump doesn’t much care about LGBT rights one way or the other, but if throwing us under the bus will get those crowds roaring at the perpetual campaign he’s about to embark on, he’s more than happy to lead that pitchfork and torches crowd.

    • Lazycrockett

      He summed up himself, his run for the presidency and the insuring next 4 years when he said this at a rally, “Aren’t you being entertained?”

    • Todd20036

      W felt the same way towards us, if you remember.

  • fuow

    Hey all you A-List-Fags who didn’t bother to vote, ’cause ‘they’re all the same’ and ‘we need to be taught a lesson’, fuck you. Fuck you big time.

    • Ninja0980

      Far more straight people did that then the A-list fags you keep talking about.
      Direct your anger towards them as well.

      • fuow

        I’ve decided to focus my anger this year on those gay men who are traitors to our queer existence.
        And, to be honest, my work in our local Democratic Party gives me lots of opportunity to deal with straight idiots.

        • Ninja0980

          My cousin’s former friend is one such person.
          Any LGBT Republican or one who stayed home is a traitor, simple as that.

  • we’re still here

    Forcibly divorcing people is not a family value.

    • Talisman

      They don’t consider it divorce because those icky gays were never married in the first place.

    • Oikos

      Nothing they do is about family values, only control.

    • Bared Bear

      We’re not people in their eyes.

      • Ray Butlers

        Correct. It’s really that simple.

      • Todd20036

        Which is why I think camps are possible. The American people at large will be ok with this.

        Or ok enough not to openly revolt against Trump

        • Silver Badger

          The majority will smile sadly and shake their heads. The next generation’s outrage will be too late for us.

          • Todd20036

            The ones who don’t think we brought it on ourselves anyway

          • Ninja0980

            Yup, they didn’t get their St. Bernie so it’s okay if we pay for it.

        • Oikos

          I’ll kill them or they’ll kill me before I go to any fucking camp.

          • Snarkaholic

            Same here.

          • Silver Badger

            For many, they don’t need camps. All they have to do is block access to HIV drugs. However, with nothing to lose our final options grow immensely. I would like to cancel the order for 50 virgins. Skill takes experience.

          • Ninja0980

            Same here.

          • Paula

            That goes without saying for me. I will get my family into Mexico and I will come back.

      • madknits

        Nor are we families.

  • Michael R

    I think Trump will let the divided country fight
    amongst itself while he plunders it for billions .

    • John Ruff

      You mean TRILLIONS

      • Frostbite

        “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” and all that.

  • Ross

    For the 15,865 time since 11/8, I feel a need to vomit.

  • karen in kalifornia

    I did not need to be reminded of all that today. All valid points moving forward.

  • Halou

    Trump. The Nepotism President.

    You’re a donor? Here, have a government office. You used your church as a propaganda network? Give me your SCOTUS picks and I’ll make them happen. You’re a foreign government who used your intelligence agencies to elevate my chances? Sure thing, I’ll let you conquer half a continent. You’re a member of my family? Yes, you run my “blind” trust while also sitting in on all my meetings with foreign representatives.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    I think it’s time, my partner and I got off our butts and end our engagement.

    • Frostbite

      Get married and enjoy it while you can.

    • Stogiebear

      And get an official copy of the marriage certificate as soon after the wedding as possible for proof.

  • Talisman

    My company has already figured out a way around the law – they are imposing a $50 fine per pay period if an employee’s spouse is eligible for insurance through his/her own employer.

    Yes, you read that right, $50 per *pay period*. Most exempt employees get paid twice a month – so that’s an extra $1,200.00 per year.

    Non-exempt (hourly) employees are getting hit even harder, since they get paid every two weeks and have an extra pay period every year.

    My evidence is anecdotal, but the talk around my office has been that many people are not signing up for benefits through the company. And that also makes it worse for those of us who have no choice but to take what the company offers. With fewer people are paying into the plan, I expect the premiums and deductibles to rise next year, or for the coverage to get slashed.

    • Todd20036

      And for work quality to drop. It’s not like people will feel any loyalty to such a hateful company

    • Reasonoverhate

      How is that even legal?

      • Tiger Quinn

        There’s no way that’s legal.

        • NancyP

          Chances are good that the employees were required to sign away their right to sue. The requirement that all employee disagreement with employers be routed through an employer-chosen “arbitrator” is very common. Of course, the arbitrator will find for the employer every time, because the employer is the source of their business.

          • Talisman

            We don’t have employment contracts.

            I checked our handbook, which contains a disputes section, and it says nothing about arbitration. I signed a non-disclosure agreement when I was first hired, but I don’t remember anything about arbitration.

      • Talisman

        I don’t know, but they are doing it. I’m not married, so I doubt I would have standing to challenge the surcharge.

        BTW, they also have a surcharge if you smoke or fail a biometric screening. At least in these cases, they rebate the charge if you attend some counseling sessions.

    • Silver Badger

      Expect both.

    • Michael Abbett

      What sector are you talking about? I’m not seeing anything like this in tech, where my husband works. If anything, the opposite.

      • Talisman

        Financial services (software for banks).

        • Michael Abbett

          Good to know. We’ll be watching the details closely in his benefits package.

  • this country is so fucked. unbeliveably so. i’m talking Michael Bay levels of demolition.
    way to go.
    on the plus side (there’s always a silver lining), i have met the guy that i’m going to marry.
    you know that one person who absolutely takes your breath away? who’s touch is absolutely electric? the one who gives your stomach butterflies when you get a text from them?
    now, take that feeling, and add it to the fact that he values you as much as you value him.
    I have found my man.

  • EweTaw

    OK. After watching Matt I realize more than ever that we’re really, really, really fucked. Really.

  • But at least Trump hasn’t called us fagots. (Has he?)

    • djcoastermark

      in public (yet)

      • I wonder if he’ll use the British spelling with two g’s when he tweets.

        • anything less would be….unpresidented.

  • Jo-Nathan

    Can we just blow this all up? What’s the fucking point anymore.

  • Gil

    On this day in 1941, Hitler took command of the German army….HMMMMMMM

    • EweTaw

      Happy Taking Over the German Army Day! Is there an emoji for that?

      • Todd20036

        a Swatzstika

  • This goes beyond just repealing our marriage rights. Other SCOTUS cases can be overturned as well. Lawrence v. Texas overturned sodomy laws. That is just as capable of being overturned as well.

    • EweTaw

      Roe v. Wade is the biggest star on their quest for repealing laws. Then maybe they’ll “refine” the 1st Amendment to control the media.

      • Paula

        And when they realize “Hey! Those people have guns” the 2nd will be curtailed, also. That will drive the trumpanzees nuts.

  • AJD

    Congratulations to any LGBT person who supported Trump, whether by voting for him, voting third-party or not voting at all.

    But please throw this in the face of any moron who tells you Trump is pro-LGBT or that our rights are safe.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    But let’s all remember what the regressive left et al told us, the Democrats are exactly like the republicans, so this would have happened anyway, right?

    • Ninja0980

      Yup, I’ll tell them what I told my Bernie or Bust cousin and that is to fuck off.

  • Oikos
  • Todd

    If the court composition changes, is it possible to just refuse to litigate any case that might challenge any of our rulings? So as to lock it in forever since it is binding precedent on the country

    • NancyP

      No, because the other side will bring cases claiming irreparable harm yadayada and precedent will be reversed. Yep, our side is likely to lay low, but that won’t prevent change.

      • Todd

        Yea but again couldn’t we just refuse to litigate? You’d need two parties to form a case.

        • Brian in Valdosta

          It wouldn’t be difficult to find some patsy or two that are willing to take part in the farce to get the ball rolling.

        • canoebum

          The cases will arise when some couple in a bigot state feels the sting of discrimination and seeks to vindicate their rights in court. That will definitely happen. Count on it. On the other hand, these same hateful bigots have been going after Roe v Wade since 1973 and have always come up empty. Sure, it’s not good, but we’re not dead yet and we have made a place for ourselves at the table.

        • No — the plaintiffs would be suing the state or federal government, which must necessarily defend the law (or it may opt not to, which would be worse). There’s no “we” involved here.

  • CatCope

    Well, I’m totally disgusted, frightened & want to puke. And, I am an old, white, hetero broad.
    Like Mr. Stipe says “It Is The End of The World As We Know it”.
    There has GOT to be some counter steps we could take. Or, are we going to be the US of Russia?

    • Oikos

      I’m buying a gun to protect my family from trumpanzees.

  • Mark Ross

    The knot in my stomach just got worse.

  • Ninja0980

    Clarence Thomas made clear at the Federalist Society gloating session this past fall he’ll have no qualms overturning Obergefell.
    Alito has said the same thing and as for John Roberts, he invited his lesbian cousin and her wife to the Windsor hearings where she got to hear him trash relationships like hers and how it was fine and dandy to discriminate against couples like her.
    Writing the ruling overturning Obergefell is something he’d have no problems doing.
    You showed by your actions you sure as hell don’t.
    You showed by your actions you sure as hell don’t.

    • NancyP

      Thomas should beware, since many of Trump’s followers would like to overturn Loving. (Thomas is married to a white woman).

  • Frostbite
  • Yeek

    Learn how to fight, learn how to kill, and hope you never have to. Don’t fire the first shot, but be ready to fire the last one.

    • Rt1583

      I’ve been thinking the same thing since election night.
      I know how to use a gun but I’ve never had a reason to own one. Now, with all stripes of conservatives believing they’ve got the right ‘because Trump’, that lack of reason has all but vanished.

  • KQCA

    Has anyone else noticed there is a new culture of, “I don’t agree with a certain law so it doesn’t apply to me,” and lower courts have become rather lenient with this?

  • Paul David

    We love to feel that progress, once made, cannot be unmade.

    Of course, we are all coming to terms with Trump, the Great Unmaker.

  • The_Wretched

    Well, that was depressing.

  • Don_K

    I am thinking about arming myself, which no doubt will distress my husband, but I’m also going to look into proving my descent from my Irish grandmother(and proving that she was born in Ireland), which would allow me to claim the Irish citizenship that is my birthright, and would allow me to move to a sane country (and I can’t believe I’m using that term to describe Ireland, considering their history from not that long ago).

    • Rt1583

      Sanity is relative (pun intended if it works).

  • I might point out that the Republicans have been trying to undo Roe v. Wade for — what is it, forty years now?

    Realistically, the “chipping away” strategy is not going to work on marriage, simply because it’s unconstitutional on its face to treat gay married couples differently than straight married couples — it’s not like putting limits on abortion, for which one can sometimes make a legitimate case. They’ll try, but it will take a travesty as blatant as Bowers vs, Hardwicke to do it.

  • I’ve got this to say: They better hadn’t dare. The one thing you can do to anger people worse than just about anything else is to attack their families, and this is what they’d be doing. They haven’t seen ugly yet, til they try this.