Hillary Clinton: Russia Hacked Those Emails Because Vladimir Putin Carries A “Personal Beef Against Me”

The New York Times reports:

Hillary Clinton said Thursday the hacking attacks carried out by Russia against her campaign and the Democratic National Committee were intended “to undermine our democracy” and were ordered by Vladimir V. Putin “because he has a personal beef against me.”

Speaking to a group of donors in Manhattan, Mrs. Clinton said that Mr. Putin, the Russian president, had never forgiven her for the accusation she made in 2011, when she was secretary of state, that his country’s 2011 parliamentary elections were rigged.

“Putin publicly blamed me for the outpouring of outrage by his own people, and that is the direct line between what he said back then and what he did in this election,” Mrs. Clinton said.

It is the first time Mrs. Clinton has publicly addressed the impact of the hacks since the intelligence community concluded that they were specifically aimed at harming her campaign.

“Make no mistake, as the press is finally catching up to the facts, which we desperately tried to present to them during the last months of the campaign,” Mrs. Clinton told the group, which collectively poured roughly $1 billion into her effort.

“This is not just an attack on me and my campaign, although that may have added fuel to it. This is an attack against our country. We are well beyond normal political concerns here. This is about the integrity of our democracy and the security of our nation.”

  • Lazycrockett

    Doesn’t everyone who even half followed this election already KNOW this?

    • safari

      Know and believe are two separate things. Feels are the new truth.

      • Robincho

        Colbert nailed it way back with “truthiness”…

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      • Scott Fitler

        So much trouble resisting the urge to bitchslap everyone who goes around saying “I feel that… “

        • safari

          “It might as well be true.” is the new public mantra. (Btw, discuss tries to interpret < > as HTML. You can still use them but you need to type them in as &lt; and &gt; [note the semi-colon] respectively.)

          • pch1013

            Ditto the converse – “it’s probably a lie.” Coming soon to a public sphere near you, especially if/when there is a terror attack during Tsar Donald’s reign. The immediate instinct of non-fascists will be to call it a “false flag” attack – and why not?

          • Jamie_Johnson

            TBH, since Cheetolini was crowned, I’ve been looking forward to claiming that any attack, no matter how minor, is a false flag.

          • Scott Fitler

            oops thanks!

    • crewman

      We are trapped in this pretend land where we politely take at face value whatever the Trump et al say no matter if they have lied over and over and over. We pretend like we don’t know what we know until there’s solid proof, and then we pretend to be surprised. It’s like a nightmare.

    • Bad Tom

      The difference between what private citizens know, and what is publicly admitted.

      Drumpf is Boss Tweed writ large.

    • Goodboy

      Well, Putin did show one thing. Very hypocritical of people to just accuse him of using rigged elections. From this point forward we have no righteous ground to stand on.

    • Bad Tom

      What keeps the separation intact is a powerful group benefits immensely from it.
      ——-
      Sound familiar?

    • Xiao Ai

      Sure they do. How many are willing to argue on its behalf though with the people who won’t?

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Not if they were following it on Fox Noise.

  • BobSF_94117

    I wish she’d point out that it’s because she was — and would remain — tough on Putin, in defense of the Russian people, not be some pussy(grabbing)cat.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    There is a apparently a new game show in Russia that will allow rape and murder

    When do we all get to wake up from the horror movie we are living in?

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/dec/15/russian-reality-tv-show-allow-rape-murder-game2-winter

    • Todd20036

      Trump would allow an American version.

      Steven King nailed this concept. Read the book (not the movie) of the Running Man

      Or even the Long Walk

  • Martin
    • Robincho

      China sizes vessel, decides it’s not big enough, goes home…

      • Martin

        My typing is FUBAR.

        • Robincho

          Sometimes FUBAR typing can open a window through which I can enter with a lame pun. I do that a lot…

    • cleos_mom

      The rhythm of that statement, considering the B.R. takes immediately above, was rather…. unsettling.

  • PickyPecker
    • safari

      I don’t even know what to post in response other than a whimper and hitting my head against the desk.

    • Todd20036

      I’d like to agree with this gif. I really would.
      But if RFAs become the law, then I won’t believe in Americans anymore.

    • HZ81

      I wish I did. I can no longer. My home is now more of a house.

      • Robincho

        How to bring back the time when the only things that twittered were the fucking birds?

        Must. Find. Way.

    • FAEN

      I’m afraid I don’t at the moment.

  • Ta-er al-Asfer

    We’re so fucked.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      W.A.S.F!

  • Lazycrockett
    • DaddyRay

      McCain has socks older than that

      • Bluto

        McCain has dingleberries older than that.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Hallelujah! The Catholic Church that put Galileo on trial is now more fact-based and pro-science than the U.S. White House. Nice going, my fellow Americans. You know, that NASA budget would go a long way towards gold-plating Trump’s toilet seats.

    • Chucktech

      To be fair (and, frankly I hate being fair to these fuckers), he did correct himself, barely audibly, by saying the 5,500 years of human history.

      And that, of course, is still way off of human history, but it’s not like he said the earth is 5,500 years old.

  • HZ81

    This election was a Banana Republic-esque fraud and our media is shrugging compared to how they were screaming over complete nonsense regarding the Clinton Foundation, etc.—only weeks ago!

    This is not the country I was born into. The majority of us have been sold down the river. Shut the door on your way out, or leave it open so the pigeons can squat.

  • DaddyRay

    Democrats need to learn how to use the Fear Factor – she should have said Putin carries a beef against the United States to get Republicans to care. They only respond to fear and will not give a damn if it was only directed at Hillary

  • William

    I see a little silhouetto of a man….

    (comment goes to Lazycrockett’s post below}

    • Bluto

      Scary moose, scary moose,
      Eat your duty-free mango….

      • Megrim Twist

        Thunderballs are tightening
        very very exciting to me!

  • Bad Tom

    I just read an account of the fall of Boss Tweed in New York City.*

    His greed and graft were well known before he was removed. He was tolerated because he was useful: he kept peace among the Irish in NYC.

    When he failed at that during and after the Orange Riots, suddenly, the press found its voice, his graft was exposed, (although everyone already knew about it,) and he was removed.

    This is how it works. We must find the equivalent for Drumpf.
    ——-
    It’s the economy. And Drumpf is too stupid to keep it running well.
    —–
    * Bellvue: Three Centuries of Medicine and Mayhem at America’s Most Storied Hospital

    • pch1013

      If Boss Tweed had had Twitter, things might have turned out rather differently.

      • Bad Tom

        Boss Tweed was master of the communication channels of his day.

        What he couldn’t do was control the hatred between the Catholics and Protestants he had unleashed.

        The consequences of public violence ended his rule.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          And the sentiments surrounding that were older, which he did not think would come to bear against him as hey! it’s all in the past, why so upset?.
          The Orange Riots didn’t just happen as people thought “Oh, I feel like liking/pissing on the Irish today!” The sentiment was older, linking to the economic hardships that pre-dated it by about 20 years during the Draft Riots of 1863, a good deal of which was Irish vs. Blacks. The result was people hating both groups after the violence that ensued.
          Just repackaged the hate in new bottles. Voila. And Tweed underestimated the impact of that history, just with new enemies.

          • stuckinthewoods

            Catholic/Protestant hostile sentiments were far older. The French Wars of Religion had effects on early emigration to North America. Huguenots tried a colony at present day Parris Island, SC in 1562, and in Florida where the Spanish wiped them out. By 1700 a flood of Huguenots settled in VA near where I live.
            Ah religion, we must protect it.

          • Bad Tom

            Indeed, the resentments were of long standing, and had been inflamed by (at the time) recent provocation. Tweed had good political instincts, but they failed him at the end.

            Trump is an instinctive politician. He has to be, since he has no actual experience governing. They are ugly, nasty instincts, but so far, they have served him well.

            Any politician has to ultimately be perceived as delivering the goods to keep governing. Trump took advantage of a disconnect in our society, and rode that discontent into office.

            But I think his ego will prevent him from seeing the limits of his own deception, until it is too late.

            How badly America will fare in the meantime is a terrifying question.

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      Admit it, you posted this just because of ‘Orange Riots”.

    • JWC

      As Trump was useful to the RNC he gave them the Executive the House and the Senate

      • Bad Tom

        Exacto.

        • JWC

          now he isn’t needed wheel in Pence Oh now that is downright scary!!!!

        • JWC

          Bad Tom I am a bit new on here what does it mean when someone “upvotes” you and when you check a message the persons name is behind shades

          • Bad Tom

            I think you are referring to when a person’s profile is private. This means you cannot see their commenting history, nor ‘follow’ them. This is a setting you can set or not in your own profile.

            There are some good reasons to have a private profile: it is easier to find out the real identity of a poster by looking at their profile. However, Google will index the user handles (like BadTom or JWC) on websites that allow it, so you can find comments posted by searching for that.

            Of course, there’s more than one BadTom (as I’ve discovered,) so making sure the comments you find are the ones you’re looking for gets tricky. That’s easy if the profile is public, since they are listed in the profile.

  • Max_1

    In the mean time Trump and his goon squad cheer foreign espionage against our Nation. Treason by any other name..,

  • pablo

    I’m skeptical. I haven’t seen any evidence of Russian hacking except the “CIA says”. I know they’ve never lied to the American people before but there’s a first time for everything.

    • Dirk Prophet

      It’s always good to be skeptical but this isn’t just the CIA, it’s the entire NSA.

      • Bad Tom

        Central Intelligence Agency, Federal Bureau of Investigation, National Security Agency…

    • Cuberly

      Even Assange, finally, although glibbly, admitted that some of the wikileaks data may have originated from Russia. Considering Assange’s ties w/ Putin I think it’s safe to say he let slip more than he may have realized.

      • pablo

        Asange is saying it was a disgruntled insider who was the source.

    • Jeffg166

      Trump is in Putin’s pocket.

      • Jamie_Johnson

        Putin has intel on Trump, and is leveraging it. I guess I could be more direct: Putin is blackmailing Trump.

    • Ernest Endevor

      17 US agencies issued a joint report in October. And now new evidence points to Putin directly. The US can’t ‘publish’ evidence without betraying sources.

    • stevenj

      “I know they’ve never lied to the American people before…”

      LOL

  • Cuberly

    This could get super interesting. Especially if travel records are requested from Trump staffers.

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/809828130663919617

    • Bj Lincoln

      Oh Please Please Pretty PLEASE! Find out if Drumpf knew about this and his team was in on it! Then arrest him and his team before this slime is sworn in! That would be a great way to start the new year!

      • FAEN

        Would it make any difference really? His followers and his party(you know the pols that kept insisting Trump wasn’t a republican but now that he’s won they can’t stick their heads up his ass fast enough?)don’t give a crap what he does or doesn’t do. Even if we find out he knew they’ll just turn it around and make it seem like playing dirty is a sacrament once again. And his followers will eat it up and beg for more. I don’t mean to depress anyone but that’s who we’re dealing with.

  • That_Looks_Delicious
    • BobSF_94117

      A very weird article. Whatever Ivanka will be, she will not be First Lady (unless there’s a divorce in the offing).

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I think the article was an excuse to put that headline at the top of the page.

        • Pro Tip: Grab Young

          It’s an open secret that Trump is pro-incest.

  • we’re still here

    o/t Reality tv show in Russia… promotes rape and murder for contestants in real life Hunger Games…. / So, no rainbow flags in Russia, but televised murder is ok…..

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/russian-reality-tv-show-allows-rape-murder-a7478346.html?cmpid=facebook-post

    • DaddyRay

      Welcome to the new reality

  • ceeenbee

    That’s nice. Now we both have petulant little children running our countries.

  • MABPHX

    I think we should get too nullify the election and let us revote.

  • NancyP

    Well, not JUST because he has a beef against her. He also has a beef against the USA. Cold War never went away completely.

  • joe ho

    Putin’s been playing the long game. Goal: destabilize Europe/NATO and regain power over the former Russian satellites. Hence, his support of Assad in Syria, knowing a refugee crisis would overwhelm Europe and cause rise of right-wing opposition friendly to him. Now pro-Russia Trump and probable end of US sanctions.

    • ultragreen

      Assad has always been an ally of Russia. The United States and the Gulf petrol-states rather recently have attempted to undermine Assad by fomenting rebellion among Islamic fundamentalists in Syria and giving them weapons, hence the civil war. Thus, the United States and the Gulf petrol-states are the aggressors, not Russia. This means the United States and the Gulf petrol-states are primarily responsible for the refugee crisis in Europe and the rise of European ultra-nationalism. It’s another example of the disastrous consequences of neoconservative foreign policy under the 2 Bushes, Clinton, and Obama.

  • safari

    Amusing O/T — Adult store workers fend off armed robbery with sex toys
    http://abc7.com/news/armed-robber-chased-off-with-sex-toys-at-san-bernardino-shop/1658847/

  • Martin
    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Trump is used to being in perpetual lawsuits, so I wouldn’t bet against him doing this.

      • Martin

        It so closely mimics Russian policy, what a strange coincidence.

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          And Russia would be one of the nations most affected by the change.

    • Bad Tom

      Not so sure about the “key” part. Tonnete’s influence is limited for one simple reason: Drumpf already cashed Tony’s check, (evangelical support at the polls.)

      Tony now wants Drumpf to pay up.
      ——-
      Snicker

      • Chucktech

        Christians are too stupid to learn that they will always be thrown under the bus once they’re not of use anymore.

    • safari

      I suppose security clearances come next.

    • Bj Lincoln

      Lets get rid of all pro-gay staffers and replace them with pro-family conservatives. This will put a lot of people out of work for being LGBT or and ally. I’m thinking this ass doesn’t have a clue to how many people are on our side. Even some of those haters will think these actions are un-American. If this were to get pushed through, I would make real plans to get my ass to Canada.

      • Stogiebear

        If you don’t already have a passport it’s not too late to put in an expedited order and receive it before January 19th. But after December 23rd it may be.

        I don’t know how I know this . . .

    • safari

      Oh. It’s just TonyKKK.

  • Blake J Butler

    O/T: Straight and naked Warwick rowers have a message for pussygrab and pussygrab’s bitch.

    They are sending their world famous calendars to pussygrab and Pence.

    https://vimeo.com/195318863

    • Bj Lincoln

      That is cool! The guy on the left is really cute. Thanks for posting this.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      And the opening shot is of a double decker bus with a sign for Sheperd’s Bush.

    • Tiger Quinn

      I’m not interested in what straight men have to say about gay issues, thanks.

      • Blake J Butler

        Gee, why bother making a comment if you have nothing to contribute to the conversation.

        • TuuxKabin

          ‘cuz that’s how formerly TigerANN Quinn is. Bitter ol’ bitch.

          • Blake J Butler

            I was clearing my Facebook messages a few weeks ago and found a message back in January addressed to me from him suggesting that I tone down my posts because in the real world i would get my ass kicked.

          • TuuxKabin

            He’s one miserable prick. I remember maybe it was your first OT: introducing us, here at JMG, to Lucie’s Place or Equality Texarkana. He was the first to reply to you in his typical nasty manner to ‘tone it down’. I replied to him with a Mr. Chow gif (can’t find it now) “HA HA HA. GO FUCK YOUR SELF”!!! I trolled him for awhile, replying to him as TigerANN Quinn, when he went by TigerMANN Quinn then finally blocked his idiocy. IIRC he’s a war vet, living in Dallas, was glad he was getting out of Dallas and moving to Palm Springs the 4th of July. I replied to him, “Pity. For Palm Springs.” He’s surrounded his self with land mines. His real world prolly’s filled with ass kickings. His own. I’m thinking of unblocking him, just to get a dig in at him like someone else did awhile ago. Happy Holidays.

      • We can only truly succeed when we have straight people as our allies. So I for one am entirely happy to support them in their efforts.

      • Straight Talk v Straight Crazy

        Anthony Kennedy excepted? ….Idiot.

  • Xiao Ai

    Russia hacked those emails because it was made to be much too easy. Blame where blame lays though and, that is still predominantly in the lap of Republicans. Through sheer negligence, they’ve repeatedly undercut, underfunded, and under legislated, technology security. That’s what she needs to be pushing, not this crap about Putin.

  • Bj Lincoln

    You go girl! Tell it like it is everywhere! Lying sacks of shit needs to be exposed for the cheating stealing miserable excuse for humans they are.

  • Kim K’s Kute Koochy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Harrison held the presidency for like a month. And Lady Jane Grey had the crown for nine days. Always up for a challenge, he could try to beat those records.

      • Kim K’s Kute Koochy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        I don’t hope he’ll last over 24h. Already they can’t find a singer or marching band for inauguration.

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    The very best way to immediately address income inequality in our country is to tip generously for good service.

    February 8, 2000, Village House Restaurant, Albion, New York, waitress Trish Trupo, Hillary, no tip.

    April 15, 2015, Chipotle, Maumee, Ohio, Hillary and Huma, no tip.

    Remember, tips are good karma. And karma never lies.

    And only the wait staff knows for sure. Thank you.

    • danolgb

      Here’s a tip.. take your spammy comments elsewhere.

      • Lazycrockett

        It’s not customary to tip at a Chipotle. It’s like tipping at a McDonalds.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          And I’d take no tip over pussy grabbing any day of the week.

    • Tiger Quinn

      That’s fun, but tipping is not a law.

  • chris james

    Putin is just another piece of Kremlin scum. Anyone who becomes butt buddies with that genocidal maniac in Syria deserves our scorn. If Trump thinks this guy is his friend he will soon find out quite different. The Soviet power is rising once again.

  • Cuberly

    Here we go! Now that we’re all on the same page, what are we going to do about it, eh Comey?

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/809841597538045952

    • Lazycrockett

      Maybe the Press conference is starting so late is cause the CIA is arresting the Drumpf campaign staffers.

      • Cuberly

        Stop tantalizing me like that! You’re getting my hopes up! 😉

        /s

        • Lazycrockett

          Or the Secret Service could pull on order 66 and turn their weapons on Drumpf Tower.

          • Cuberly

            Ha! If only.

          • cleos_mom

            The classic Caligula Play.

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    And just remember that our nation’s biggest concern used to be her husband getting a blow job.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      lately the medias biggest concern was john podestas cookie recipe and hillary emailing an assistant to pick up her dry cleaning

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        (and thoughts of John Podesta’s cookie recipe oddly make me start singing “‘cuz I’m bluffin’ with my muffin.)

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    See! SEE! There she is again giving special speeches to wealthy donors! Hillary is corrupt! I just never trusted that Hillary had my back. Emails! Benghazi! Bernie-gate! All these politicians are the same! She and trump are the same!

    Thats why I threw away my vote and ruined my country by voting for jill stein.

  • Natty Enquirer

    To be fair, Hil, our own plutocrats have done far more to undermine democracy than the Russians ever did. With deceptive journalism, “infotainment” and inane commentators who swallow up the gullible public like hungry baleens.

    • Spongebob CrankyPants

      When exactly was journalism NOT deceptive?

  • Tiger Quinn

    Michael Moore is rattling his sabre.

    https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10154015321206857

  • Lawerence Collins

    None of this changes the fact that she’s an establishment candidate who didn’t have a message. “I’m with her” “stronger together” tells voters nothing. That and people strongly dislike her.

    • Spongebob CrankyPants

      LOL. What was Trump’s message?
      They strongly dislike her based on nothing more then rumor and innuendo.

      • stevenj

        Lawerence misses the point a lot. He’s still sore Bernie didn’t get the nomination. And if he had, Lawerence is in denial over the fact that the Republicans would have done the same exact thing they did to Clinton.

        • A million times THIS. I’m so tired of the claim that Bernie would have won, or that this was Hillary’s fault. I’m not ashamed of my vote, nor of my candidate. I *love* Bernie Sanders, but never thought–and still don’t think–he’d win. We have slipped into a bizarro alternate timeline kind of thing, to my way of thinking. Trump would’ve won regardless. The masses who voted for him were easily snowed by so many things, the Comey crap, the Russia crap, the idiocy spewing forth from Trump.

          I’ve known otherwise decent people, ordinary, hardworking people who voted for Trump because “emails and Benghazi” (both crap stories), and because they think Trump “would be fun,” “is just like us,” and will fight for American workers. Why they believe ANY of this is and remains a mystery to me. Nothing in the 30+ years of Trump in media speaks to any of this imagined reality. Nothing about his celebrity explains WHY he’s either famous or popular. He inhabited that formerly Zsa Zsa Gabor/Pia Zadora now Duck Dynasty/Honey Boo Boo/Kardashian not-really-famous-for-much fantasy realm that inexplicably sells tabloid papers and keeps TLC and Bravo on the air.

          Hillary is/was an ordinary politician, with an unusually tenacious opposition force. I don’t think it was unreasonable to have assumed that all of her baggage was so old and musty that it would’ve been old news. It should have been. Newt and Rudy have dirtier, mustier, more relevant baggage, and they were on the Sunday shows every week as The Donald’s surrogates. The shit they slung at her stuck with the rubes. And we have a lot more rubes than anyone suspected. There is no reason to assume that Bernie Sanders wouldn’t have suffered the same fate.

      • Lawerence Collins

        Make America great again! Geez, really?! Just like hope & change.
        Her people didn’t want to discuss her platform.

      • cleos_mom

        What are you thinking, trying to talk sense to a Trumpbot?

    • Ore Carmi

      Her policy proposals spoke loud and clear. The media failed to report on them, instead focusing on bogus scandals.

      • Lawerence Collins

        Are we speaking of the same Hillary Clinton?!
        The same Hillary Clinton who on tape is heard speaking of election tampering in another country? Saying that if they were going to go through the trouble of rigging the election. They should’ve made sure the person they wanted to win, won.
        Yeah, I get she’s better on civil rights issues. On the surface.

  • Mark

    I like the way everybody is giving “The Hack” all kinds of lip service. And for most folks, pointing a finger or two at Putin is sufficient to distract them from the real crucial aspect: Putin fucked the election. The election was a sham. The results should be discarded – and new elections (AFTER security protocols are in place)(and arrests of those involved here in the US) should be held so that EVERY voters vote counts.

    Anything less is dismissive of that one right that keeps us standing.

    • Spongebob CrankyPants

      Problem is your vote doesn’t actually count since we use the Electoral College. Clinton won the popular vote by a wide margin and she still lost.