Harry Reid: James Comey Cost Hillary The Election

The Hill reports:

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Monday blamed FBI Director James Comey for Hillary Clinton’s loss in the presidential election. “Comey helped [President-elect Donald] Trump significantly,” Reid said in an interview with CNN.

“A week before the election, he came out with this, ‘Oh, we found some more emails,’ and, as a result of that, we lost Senate seats, and, I think, we lost the presidency.”

When asked if Comey “singlehandedly” swayed the election, Reid said Clinton “would have won” had Comey not “written that letter” shortly before Election Day. “We would have picked up at least two more Senate seats,” he added. Reid also said it is “obvious” Comey was “partisan in all this.”

  • The_Wretched

    Why is Comey still in office? Dems don’t win by looking like they have no balls.

    • Fuck “bipartisanship”. If the dems are gonna survive they need to play just as brutal as the GOP and weed out all these Nazi sympathisers.

      • Skip Intro

        Dems are textbook beta subs. We can’t play as dirty as the bad guys so we turn on ourselves. “Oh, we made a grave mistake and ignored poor white folks. Our bad.” No, actually Hillary won. A few days of “We’re a bit cross at you Mr. Comey, Sir” and all is forgiven … and quickly forgotten. Zero protests. Pathetic.

        • Mike__in_Houston

          Comey should be executed for treason, with insubordination a lesser included charge. Anything less than that should be denominated “getting off with a lighter sentence.”

        • Kate

          “Hillary won.”

          No, she didn’t. The states elect the president, and Trump won the states.

          Hillary has the political equivalent of having the most “likes” on Facebook. It gives you bragging rights, but doesn’t actually mean anything.

          • The_Wretched

            It means Trump is fundamentally illegitimate or doesn’t have a ‘mandate’.

          • Kate

            Since when has he cared about a mandate? Seriously.

            The republicans will pass things because they can, and he will try to do what he was elected to do.

            Look at how the left and the media has attacked Trump. If he cared what they thought, he wouldn’t have run.

          • The_Wretched

            No one gives any shits about Trump’s feelings. You’re deflecting again by not answering the point and just using the same words to talk about something else.

            Mandates matter from a ‘what can you pass with out mobs getting their pitchforks out’ or ‘how many angry people show up at the townhalls’ perspective.

            Lastly, if the assholes-nationally (R) gave -0- shit about public opinion, Trump would not be lying just yesterday about having won in an EC landslide (he didn’t) nor would he have that bizarre lie about millions of voter frauds depressing his ‘real win’.

            Do you see from this comment why I think you’re a professional propagandist and not an actual interested member of the public?

          • Kate

            “Do you see from this comment why I think you’re a professional propagandist and not an actual interested member of the public?”

            I suppose I should be flattered. My posts here date back years and years, before Trump announced. I was open about moving to Canada, and disliking both parties.

            https://disqus.com/by/disqus_Yu4NZkoYY0/

            I have two profiles because I login with Facebook, and I deleted that Facebook account.

          • andrew

            No real patriotic American runs off to a foreign country because she/he doesn’t like American political parties.

          • Kate

            I was never a patriotic American. I wasn’t even born in the US, though I am a US citizen and lived there for years.

            My loyalty is first and foremost to my family. After that, it’s to the people of the country, not it’s government. I care about workers – the government is supposed to simply be a means to protect and care for the people. It’s not an end in and of itself.

            I love Americans – it’s the government I can’t stand.

          • andrew

            It means that millions of more Americans wanted Hillary to be our president over Trump.

          • Kate

            And that matters why? That’s like getting the most points during the regular season, but losing during the finals. You won a game that wasn’t being played. Congrats.

            The states elect the president, not the people. The popular vote literally doesn’t matter.

            Hillary is #notanyonespresident, but she can take comfort in the fact that most of the people who bothered to vote chose her.

    • FAEN

      Agreed. This olive branch strategy hasn’t worked and won’t work in the future. When you have control more figuratively bashing their heads in and less niceness.

      • Jerry Kott

        They have turned the other cheek so often that their heads are spinning. The Reps have written the rules to this Game. Less understanding and more action. It is easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. The Dems appear to always seem to be cowering in a corner. The Dems appear to be more concerned about losing than winning.

      • Ninja0980

        Same with the judicial branch as well.
        Leahy should have told the Republicans to take their blue slips and shove them, just like Republicans did when they were in power.
        There wouldn’t be as many judicial vacancies for Trump to fill if he had.

    • Chucktech

      James Comey should have been fired on November 9th.

      • Bad Tom

        He should have been fired when he released his first letter.
        And then been indicted for violating the Hatch Act.

      • William

        Cannonized, the old fashioned way.

  • Paula

    I am sure that Trump will reward Comey rather handsomely for his effort, too.

    • William

      US Ambassador to Abkhazia?

  • bkmn

    Keep talking about this Harry. Bit by bit more people will understand what has happened here.

    • MonochromeMouse

      That is the most important thing, no matter what keep talking about how the Trump campaign cheated and colluded with a foregin government to steal the election, about how Comey, without permission from his boss, told the media they had new evidence of crimes Hillary committed then a few days later said “nevermind, turns out it was nothing”, about how the GOP in various states passed unconstitutional laws making it harder for minorities to vote. Talking about it makes sure that Trump’s residency is remembered as illegitimate and keeps him from being able to take credit for the things his democrat successors do like Reagan did.

      • bkmn

        It is the least we can do for him after all those years he publicly questioned Obama’s citizenship.

        • Giant Monster Gamera

          Why has this gone down the memory hole? He entered politics by questioning the legitimacy of a popularly elected president.

          • Because people are busy pretending that Trump isn’t racist and acknowledging Trump’s part in birtherism would implicate him as a racist.

          • lk

            The fact that Trump pressed on and on with a conspiracy theory that appealed to racists should, on it’s own, have been enough to disqualify him (never mind what was to follow) and yet in the end that hideous conspiracy theory was how he gained momentum.

      • Mike__in_Houston

        And the “never mind” wasn’t even a “never mind.” It was a “Hey, ignorant and gullible American electorate, the election is two days away. Remember that this faux story about Hillary is still out there.”

    • Lawerence Collins

      This keeps up, and the establishment Neoliberalist, way out of touch with the American people, Democrats will keep losing. It should be investigated by all means. All the true facts are Hillary didn’t have a message that resonated with people. “I’m with Her” with her for what?! I voted for her. Only after listening to a trusted source. Eight years ago we bought the “Hope & Change” bill of goods. Yes, things are better then they were, but not for all. Not even for most. I’ve been waiting for the Dems to get their act together for decades. Guess what, so have millions of others.

      • bkmn

        I disagree with you on this. It was not a lack of a message from Hillary it was the fact that the media legitimized Trump and gave him unprecedented coverage – to the point that they aired routine speeches of his live while not covering any of Hillary’s speeches. The media demonized her with little to no evidence while giving him a pass on virtually everything, including his pussy grabbing, his screwing vendors out of payments due, his sham of a university, all of it.

        • Kate

          “Routine speeches of his live while not covering any of Hillary’s speeches.”

          To be fair, he gave a lot more of them, and they were looking for things in them to attack him.

          Russia isn’t the reason that Hillary decided to have fewer campaign stops, and to skip places he went after.

          As for “giving him a pass”, the pussy grabbing thing was nonstop news for days, pushing Hillary’s comments about private and public positions, and how she wanted a global market with open borders out of the cycle.

          It was covered by everyone other than Fox News nonstop.

          http://mashable.com/2016/10/07/trump-comments-fox-news/

      • CJAS

        And the winning message that resonated was what? White nationalism?

        • Kate

          Sure, “white nationalism” is why Trump did better with minorities than Romney.

          Simply “nationalism” – the notion that a country’s government should represent the country’s people. All of them.

          What a concept.

          • CJAS

            Being non-white doesn’t make one immune to calls for white nationalism. And Romney’s opponent was a man.

            I must have missed his calls for representative government of which you speak between the discussions of Mexican rapists, Syrian terrorists, Muslim terrorists, and lynching black protesters.

          • The_Wretched

            depends on what better means. When the same small set is counted in a smaller total set, it looks like a bigger %. That doesn’t mean there was a growth in minority support for Trump/ Republicans.

    • Goodboy
    • Kate

      What happened here is that Hillary engaged in behavior that (had she still been working for the government) would have resulted in loss of security clearance and potentially her job.

      Since she was caught after she left office, Comey decided to go after her publicly. It might very well have cost her the election, which would be an appropriate punishment for someone in her position betraying the United States.

      The only problem is that it wasn’t done early enough to replace her with someone who didn’t give classified emails to people without clearance.

      • The_Wretched

        The laws and tradition of the US meant that Comey should have sat on his hands or at least released information on Trump’s frauds. I know you think everything that lead to Trump’s election was justified by the ends but I’m taking the moral approach that says the means matters.

      • StraightGrandmother

        Correction, she did not “give” e-mails to unauthorized persons. Hillary doesn’t even use a laptop nor desktop computer, neither does Trump. She allowed her e-mails to pass through and be stored on an un authorised server. She did not hither and thither forward on classified information to unauthorized persons. Big difference. And had she been more computer savvy no doubt she would not have done so. What she did did not rise to the level of a prosecutable offense.

        • Kate

          “Correction, she did not “give” e-mails to unauthorized persons.”

          She forwarded them to her maid, who is an unauthorized person. Technically, it’s not “giving” a copy – it’s “instructing her device to send a copy to an email address belonging to someone she knew did not have authorization to possess that information, with the express intent of causing that person to receive that information, so that it would be printed and handed to Hillary”.

          “She allowed her e-mails to pass through and be stored on an un authorised server. ”

          She did that, too.

          “She did not hither and thither forward on classified information to unauthorized persons.”

          No, not “hither and thither”. Just one specific person. Illegally.

          “And had she been more computer savvy no doubt she would not have done so.”

          I agree. She seemed to have difficulty printing things, so she would forward them to Huma (legal) and Marina (illegal) to print on her behalf.

          “What she did did not rise to the level of a prosecutable offense.”

          Yes, it did. They chose not to, because (as is often the case), they make the laws fairly strict then selectively enforce them.

          • StraightGrandmother

            I was not aware she had her maid printing e-mails. That wasn’t a great idea on her part. See I can relate to Hillary because my husband doesn’t know how to use a computer either. I live with somebody like that have been married over 40 years to somebody like that, I get her.

          • Kate

            If you listen to Breitbart, Hillary is Hitler. The reality is (of course) far short of it.

            Most of what people criticize her for is bogus, and as she likes to say, politics often involves making sausage. The FOIA emails (where we see the maid), DNC leak (and later Pedesta hack) showed a lot of things done behind the scenes that seemed sketchy, and undoubtedly the Republicans do just as much.

            My issue (and the one that’s actually illegal) is the maid. I understand why she did it, but the Secretary of State should know better. Classification means something, and it’s not uncommon for intelligence agencies to try to get people into positions where they can get access beyond what they should have.

            I can relate to it, too – my parents were much the same way. “This isn’t working, fix it”. The difference lies in the type of material, and the duty and care – duty and care that a president must demonstrate. The lives of our servicemen and women depend on it – on her.

            Understanding, and forgiveness, are separate matters. I think that some actions (including mishandling classified intel) should disqualify someone from being anywhere near government, and I decry Trump ever even thinking of putting Petraeus within 100 miles of classified intel, under any circumstances.

  • Lazycrockett

    So the KGB and the CIA led the coup. Heads should roll but since the GOP is in charge nothing will change.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • The_Wretched

      Might be too little too late but an Electoral College flip would save untold harm and be entirely Constitutional.

      • Lazycrockett

        Though I doubt it would happen, how Drumpf has acted and what his cabinet is shaping up to look like this would be the moment that the electoral collage should step up and do its job. Seriously we got a man who with one tweet destroy a companies stocks for the day costing billions of dollars. That kind of fear is NOT good for the economy.

      • justmeeeee

        yes, will we love the electoral college then?

        • The_Wretched

          No, getting rid of them fixes the problem of them existing in the first place.

      • Chucktech

        Won’t change the outcome, even if they did. The House of Representatives can and would override them.

        • BobSF_94117

          The House can’t override them. If no one gets 270, it goes to the House. If someone gets 270, that person is president.

  • Nausea

    Republicans always play their morality and patriotism cards, but this election proves what we have known all along…that Republicans are neither moral or patriotic.

  • FAEN

    Cost her the election and got away with it scot-free.

  • But here’s the silver lining, she still won the popular vote despite the Nazi traitors for Russia in the FBI. More voters saw through facade then didn’t. Now only if the “anti-establishment” fake leftists had considered the facts in the key states, we wouldn’t be here.

    • FAEN

      Her popular vote win and 5 bucks will get you a Flat White. Unfortunately it doesn’t mean much.

  • we’re still here
    • justmeeeee

      yes, and we must believe Nate becaue the called it soooooo right on election eve: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c35bf337031d30806b2c075698e40308797e582ac1d8e63cbdbbe1ccb092b345.png

      • The_Wretched

        huh?

        • Todd20036

          I blocked it. I don’t suffer trolls anymore.

          • GayOldLady

            I blocked it long ago apparently because I can’t see it’s comment, but I can see yours.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Says the cowardly troll

          • ericxdc

            you’re next, my friend.

          • ericxdc

            yep – every time i see “This user is blocked” I’m grateful for the “block” feature!

          • Bill_Perdue

            Says the cowardly troll.

  • Xiao Ai

    Hillary and the DNC cost Hillary the election.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      They may have done their part; but to be so naive and strident as to think there weren’t other factors or bad faith players, well that’s just willful ignorance.

      • Xiao Ai

        If they’d done what they should have, short of an actual military coup she could not have been stopped. This is on them. I know people here tend to lean Democrat, and I’m okay with that. I get the whole left leaning thing. But, had she been more forthcoming about the emails (whether or not it was a significant story), not attempted to forcefully suppress Bernie voters with the whole Bernie Boys thing, she’d have had more clout and even more people in those swing states would have been inclined to vote for her. The whole electoral process is seriously fucked up on both sides of the aisle because neither is working on behalf of U.S. Citizenry. They’re working on behalf of the corporate elite and people who have money. That’s not a Republic nor a Democracy.

        Of the people, by the people, and for the people, remember?

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          “…had she been more forthcoming about the emails…” Really, that’s where you’re going to plant your flag? she VOLUNTARILY gave up the emails, months before the election and there was NOTHING in them of scandalous value. FACTS dear, FACTS.

          As for the whole Bernie thing, please, the BernieBros (not boys) did that to themselves when they chose to become strident puritans. Politics isn’t purity, it’s pragmatism; sadly, most people, on either side, don’t understand that.

          As for your final point regarding the electoral process, on that we can agree. The U.S. system of governance has fractured and is now more a plaything for the rich, the CEO’s and the lobbyists…not to mention foreign interests. That can laid at the feet of many, but if we’re going to be honest, the people are themselves to blame. They chose to be lazy and not educate themselves, they chose populism over reality, false flag over facts and fake news over journalism. As you said: Of the people, by the people, and for the people.

          • Xiao Ai

            I’ll plant my flag where it gets people to review the consequences of their action. You’ll note that I didn’t suggest anything of merit there (about the emails). What I did suggest, and if you examine the evidence I believe that you’ll agree, what she did do is attempt to act like it was something insignificant. Most of the American electorate doesn’t want to go the extra mile to see what’s actually occurring. They look to support their own biases. That’s it. Hillary needed to be more transparent from the get go. From a security standpoint, even she admits that protocol was breached. She could have, from the get go, said that, “Hey, I made a mistake here”. She didn’t until she was called out on it. By then, she’d indulged a questioning public.

            As for the Bernie Bros, there’s no such thing and there never was. It’s the American people. As a leader she had a responsibility to acknowledge Bernie as a contender and not cavalierly discard them by creating just another label. I want truth and honesty in politics. The media by and large have traded that for their CEOs, Boards, and Stockholders and then when we complain, we continue to turn them on, and with no further research of our own, either support or discredit their conclusions.

            Let’s stop being Democrats, Liberals, Republicans, Conservatives, Gay, Straight, Americans, Canadians, etc, come together for the people and start directing our anger at all the people in power. Their goal is only to retain it and push agendas that aren’t in the interests of us all.

          • Strepsi

            So her admitting she made a mistake would have helped against a man who has never admitted to making any mistake and overtly lies? Um, no.

            I do wish she’d have had Bernie as her VP pick though. Kaine was weak and Bernie would have secured the win.

          • Xiao Ai

            My point is, if she wanted to win then, that’s what she had to do. We can argue fairness but, at this point it’s irrelevant. I’m talking about what she had to do to win.

            First rule of politics, give your constituents what they expect. I think Hillary is a wonderful person overall. Super committed to children and women and that was a huge factor in her favor in the blue / purple states.But, she needed those Conservative states to win. Obama was able to overcome them and, while we can argue about the many things that occurred to ensure her loss that, I believe, was by far the most damaging.

          • BobSF_94117

            attempt to act like it was something insignificant.

            Because it WAS INSIGNIFICANT. She handled emails better than her predecessor, her replacement and most recent presidents, ESPECIALLY Bush.

          • Xiao Ai

            Actually that’s incorrect. She did not handle the emails the way she should have but, that’s a different discussion.

            The fact of the matter is, she should have addressed it in a way that did not cast doubt on her campaign. She didn’t.

            At this point it is irrelevant. What’s done is done. We need to move on. The more we argue about semantics, The more entrenched Donald Trump, white supremacists, Putin, and a plethora of others become. We need to be addressing them through the media and at this point, the media is only interested in what brings in $.

          • The_Wretched

            “all the people in power”

            Uh, no. Some are doing just fine and others are not. Telling them apart takes some effort. Burning down the house is just that.

          • Xiao Ai

            I’m not just speaking here in America.

            Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
            ~John Dalberg-Acton

          • The_Wretched

            Generic arguments are never valid rebuttals of specific instances.

          • Xiao Ai

            What do you consider a valid rebuttal then? Because there’re plenty of examples of power corruption within the DNC I am happy to point to as well as the RNC.

            I say burn it down but, if we are going to, it must be worldwide. Of course that’s only if people are willing to take responsibility for their own destinies. If not, why even discuss any of this?

          • The_Wretched

            “responsibility for their own destinies.”
            so you’re a libertarian?

            You need to address that someone has to be in power and that not all people in power are equally bad.

          • Xiao Ai

            Hell no! Ick!!!

            Nor, am I an anarchist. I don’t like chaos at all. I like order. I’m a leftist radical. And I believe we can manage affairs worldwide with good planning, commitment, and practice. We should be able to govern ourselves so long as we focus on all of us, not just some.

    • The_Wretched

      Like I keep telling everyone else with single theories, there were several failure points. “Crosscheck ™” kicked valid voters off the rolls who would have been enough votes to swing it. (for one additional failure point).

    • Moebym, Resistance Pilot

      That’s it? So what you’re saying is that Republicans will be Republicans, and that if the Democrats did/didn’t do X, Y, Z, we wouldn’t have lost? Do you know what this sounds like? Victim-shaming.

      And victim-shaming within our own ranks will not help us win future elections, but it certainly will embolden our enemies because Democrats can always be counted on to undermine ourselves.

      • Xiao Ai

        Really, is that what I said? Please reread because I don’t see anywhere that I made that statement or implication.

      • canoebum

        Troll alert. Best block him as he has nothing worthwhile to say.

        • Bill_Perdue

          Coward.

          • FAEN

            Trump.

        • Xiao Ai

          Yes, run to your safe space. That works well.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    The Comey letter was so obvious, Putin could see it from his house and you can bet he grinned ear to ear like the Cheshire Cat.

    • Lazycrockett

      Not only was the letter unheard of the media response to it was grotesque. The overreacting was damning. No wonder the Clinton’s hold their cards close to their chest.

      • Ninja0980

        Same with WikiLeaks.
        Anyone who says the MSM was rooting for Hillary wasn’t paying attention to the coverage at all.

        • StraightGrandmother

          Oh I agree with you there, Julian Assang is a Russian Troll for sure.

  • Bill_Perdue

    The email and hacker wars are another example of the deepening partisan gulf between the two gangs of politicians that are equally dependent on and supportive of the rich.

    They are simply not important. They’re a tempest in a tosspot.

    What’s important is the struggle for a $15 dollar an hour minimum wage and all the benefits of a 40-hour work week no matter how few hours are worked.

    What’s important are the fights for socialized medicine, excellent federally subsidized housing and free education all the way.

    What’s important is the fight to end the Democrat/Republicans wars of aggression, especially their ‘pivot’ towards aggressive action against China.

    What’s important are the efforts to restore the Bill of Rights and stop Trump from murdering US citizens, something Trump expects as a right that he inherited from the Obama regime.

    What’s important is escalating the fight to end the environment damage of the Obama/Trump regimes by outlawing fracking and offshore drilling. That’s especially critical given the fact that all the tipping points leading to climate catastrophe have been passed

    What’s important is the fight to demand that the Obama/Trump regime prosecute killer cops and border police who murder people of color in increasing numbers.

    • Xiao Ai

      Now that’s focusing on the important things.

    • Guffey

      Equally supportive of the rich? That’s rich. (sorry, just had to…). Given the admin assignments Trump has made I honestly don’t see how “equal” can be claimed. Personally, I think (and I could be wrong) that we will now be back to fighting basic injustices that already seemed assured before, forget the rest of the important things you list. Socialized med? Yes, important, but now that Trump is in power I think we’ll be back to fighting to retain insurance for previously existing conditions and basic healthcare rights. Still to be seen, for sure… so I hope I’m wrong.

      • Bill_Perdue

        There’s no question about it, Trump is a reactionary every bit as right wing as the Clintons, the Bushes and Obama.

        • Friday

          You’re still trying to attack non-right-wingers even when it’s your own right-wingers that are doing the damage, even with stupid and baseless false equivalencies you used to bring about this state of affairs.

          • Bill_Perdue

            I’m doing a good job of exposing right wingers like you.

          • Friday

            As what? Am I a ‘False flag’ now? Why? How? I think *you’re* the one with a lot to answer for and no answers, that’s why you get blocked.

          • Xiao Ai

            What I’ve always gotten from Bill_Purdue, like it or not, asshole or not even, he’s attacked both. This being a more left of center blog, he’s taken greater aim at Democrats because, let’s face it, the Democrats speak better to the left. The power structure worldwide must come down. It hasn’t worked for centuries and it’s time for something new.

          • Friday

            “Both” is as close as Righties get to admitting guilt. They claim ‘Everyone else is doing it too’ even if that accusation is completely non-factual. What did he come here asking people to *do* besides always take-the pro-Right action? His motivations are irrelevant, his *words* are not new. And you’re either too new here to know that or part of the same shit, and *that* doesn’t matter either, ‘Kate.’

          • Xiao Ai

            Are you inferring that I’m Kate? Hahahahahaha.

            You’re totally wrapped up in attacking and it’s blinding you. I’ve been here for years, you just don’t recognize me. That’s because you don’t pay attention to people, you pay attention to what you intend to attack. You’ve got to stop this “Righty, Lefty” shit. It doesn’t suit you. I know that you’re a lot smarter than that. Unlike you, I pay attention. My intent is to wake people up to who the real enemy here is. I don’t think that’s you or anyone else here. Not even Bill_Purdue. Stop it Friday. You’re better than that and I won’t give up on you or any of the people here. No matter who they are. What I will do is call out the truth. And the truth is that we’re all being played by the people in power on both sides.

          • Friday

            It’s the same damn line whoever pushes it. Paying attention to what *matters* and is *possible* rather than just spreading the blame for one side’s actions is *not* synonymous with never calling Democrats out on anything *they* actually do.

            The fact is and has always been that whoever we elect doesn’t define all of who controls what in this country, and that definitely means money and all kinds of other means-to-actually do something.

          • Xiao Ai

            I feel I should, for clarity, respond to your comments individually here so as not to be confusing. As I said, I I’ve been here a long time and I really want to impress upon everyone here, including you with my take on things. Not to manipulate nor to divide but, so that somehow, in some way we can come together to deal with what is coming. I can be highly aggressive in my comments sometimes, and even be as much of an asshole as Purdue. I get that. However, you have to trust that, I’m not the enemy, and I don’t believe he is either. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt as well. Fair enough?

            I’ll bracket the comments I’m immediately addressing and respond after each.

            [It’s the same damn line whoever pushes it. Paying attention to what *matters* and is *possible* rather than just spreading the blame for one side’s actions is *not* synonymous with never calling Democrats out on anything *they* actually do.]

            It’s my belief that for all Bill_Purdue’s viciousness in his attacks on the Democrats, he’s not ever addressed them in a way that has made me believe that he’s not any less hard left as I am. That’s why I’ve often overlooked his commentary. Much of it aligns with me. The difference, IMHO is that I temper myself more, and I do that because, I prefer to be more tactical in my approach to everyone. Once someone shuts me down, I get no where. I don’t believe I can afford that because of what I believe is coming.

            I try to research my beliefs, and back them as factually as I can before printing them. Looking through my more recent comments, which I’ve left wide-open under this newer pseudonym as well as the old which I’ve closed, would you say that overall I’ve been addressing things as a radical leftist would? Have I been consistently anti-Right? If not, why would you say that I am not? Have I also, attacked the left? If so, why would I have done so if I’m anti-Right?

            I think that the “Left” these days is become moderate, prone to finding arguable middle ground, believing that is what the vast majority of people want. However, the Right has steered even further Right and they keep going, and going; dragging the left with them because the left thinks it can get their power back by being more appealing. Because of this, the goalposts have moved dramatically in the past 40 years and not in our favor. I believe Purdue knows this, and he also knows that talking to anyone on the right about moving left is a lost cause.

            If you’ll notice, I actually immediately called out “Kate” because she’s one of those lost causes. I won’t even waste my time with people like them. I’ve already blocked her because, I know I’m a damn good judge of character and she doesn’t have the character that I’d ever align with.

            I feel that we must create a counter to the tea-party/alt-right. We have none on our side with any real teeth and for my money, (I lean toward taoism), all things in life must have a counter-balance. We’re way out of whack right now.

            [The fact is and has always been that whoever we elect doesn’t define all of who controls what in this country, and that definitely means money and all kinds of other means-to-actually do something.]

            I’m not so sure that’s going to hold true with the coming Trump administration. Real leftists, and I mean radical leftists, the kind we’ve not seen since the 60s need to start shoring ourselves up because, this administration is going to have power like we haven’t encountered before. And unless we can get the money behind us, or most importantly, cut off the oppositions supply, which means getting enough people to not pay any taxes, and ensuring funding from outside the country is impeded, we won’t get anywhere and the result of that I don’t even want to begin speculating on.

            Sorry for the length. Too often though things remain unclear though because, we aren’t willing to go the extra mile. I will as long as I think it’ll be helpful.

  • Cackalaquiano

    Sure, I don’t disagree about Comey’s responsibility, but come on freakin’ establishment Democrats! You all need to do some self reflection and understand why the Democrats aren’t doing better than they are.

    I’m afraid these guys are only going to look backward, blame everyone else for this loss, and never foster the growth and future direction the party needs.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      It is possible to do both; that is to say they can look inward, which they most certainly should, but also challenge the bad faith players who contributed to the mess the nation is in.

      • Cackalaquiano

        True, and they may be doing this behind the scenes. But I frankly have zero faith in the Democrats. They are phenomenally adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          True enough. I posted this a few time during the primaries and the election. Clearly, the message didn’t take….

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3cb6328ca2abbb58bb89d1e4e456a43fc0aa401dc0f58dd977a2671d952cb0e2.jpg

        • Friday

          It’s not like the corporate media hasn’t been helping the Swiftboating of Dems since Morton Downey Jr. was a thing and Rush was just starting to get his drug-fueled (but anti-drug) ravings including about Hillary as FLOTUS out there in right wing ‘consciousness.’ This can be done precisely because of what Reagan did to our journalistic and educational institutions. Media and other corporate consolidation, for-profit news, etc etc. “The dumbing-down of America” was a book title and everyone knew it was a problem.

      • justmeeeee

        starting with Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz?

    • Cipher

      I supported Hillary with all of my fiber. That said, I sure wish there had been NO server to even discuss in the first instance…

      Sorry. For future reference, with political enemies who make sh*t up, there is ZERO margin for error. Hand them nothing on a silver platter to work with knowing they are capable of transforming doggie doo into Russian oil

      • With today’s climate they don’t even need any kind of verifiable or unverifiable facts. They can just make shit up and their sheep will gobble down every damn word. We are well and truly fucked as a nation.

        • canoebum

          I’m afraid the only thing that will snap the goobers out of their belief in GOP propaganda is another Depression. With the collapse of the middle class and the rise of the plutocrats, we may be in for one very soon. Certainly Trump’s approach to international relations and trade policy does not bode well for our near future. The crash is coming. When the Trump supporters finally wake up to the fact that they’ve be lied to at every turn and led down the garden path of race scapegoating, it will be too late. After it all burns down, they’ll turn to the Democrats and ask for help.

        • Cipher

          People concerned about fake news. Let me say this: one of my close friends from High School ended up acting on two soap operas. People routinely scared the crap out of her by approaching her and launching into conversations with her characters!

          Forget “news”, we live in a nation where a troubling number of people cannot even conceptualize overt fiction! You know… The mostly cancelled shows where people come back to life every other month, battle evil twins and the sets are so fake looking you can imagine them being in a high school auditorium!!!

      • Lazycrockett

        If it wasn’t the servers, it would have been paid speeches. If it wasn’t those it would have been Benghazi, or Uma, Or this or that. She could have been as open as possible and released everything the media demanded and it still wouldn’t have been enough. She would have to had to break down and cry over the fact that Bill cheated on her 20 years ago on LIVE tv before the media would build her back up. It was impossible.

        • The_Wretched

          I agree. Given the right wing ability to lie any predicate into ‘the worst thing ever’, if it wasn’t email, it would have been something else.

          • CanuckDon

            it’s astonishing how they took that small story and blew it up into the major controversy of the election. One thing that has to be said is the rightwing has some of the most devious, propagandizing minds working within it. No doubt, major talents in the marketing field.

          • The_Wretched

            It’s the fear/hate button.

          • Friday

            I don’t even give them credit for ‘deviousness.’ They just hammer on blatant lies and expect the corporate media and their right-wing Russian propagandists and trolls to make it stick.

        • Ninja0980

          Indeed, there was nothing she could have done or said that they wouldn’t have made a scandal out of.

          • Friday

            It’s not like the Right doesn’t just make shit up whole-cloth. Like non-compromised email servers that were in fact the only ones *not* apparently hacked by hostile powers trying to foment chaos in the Western democracies.

          • Bill_Perdue

            You’re the right wing.

          • Friday

            If you cared about reading comprehension I’d suggest you go learn some.

        • Bad Tom

          Then they would pile on because she cried.

      • Cackalaquiano

        Me too re supporting Hillary.
        And yes, the Republicans are really really good at misinformation and distraction. I’m not sure how we counter that, when people hear what they damn well want to hear.

      • Friday

        In retrospect they probably only complained bout *her* as opposed to anyone else doing like Colin Powell cause it meant he Russians couldn’t ‘wikileak’ her private emails sooner.

      • William

        Most of the people screaming about her server wouldn’t know a server from a waiter.

    • Ernest Endevor

      The Democratic candidate won the election. We also won the house. The republican candidate won the electoral college by tiny amounts. Because of gerrymandering and voter purges our wins don’t count. Both CA and NY, where Democrats win huge pluralities go for nothing. That’s what we need to work toward fixing.

  • William

    Once again: Duh!

  • EweTaw

    Reid’s a Mormon and has some strange ideas, but I’m behind him 1000% on this. I hope he’s able to whip up lots of trouble and damaging dissent against the Trumpanistas during the next four years.

  • Paula

    Give it 6 months and all government employees will be required to stay at a Trump hotel when traveling for business. The room will be billed to the governmant at the rate of $1,000 a night. No conflict of interest, there.

    • Jerry Kott

      I kind of suspect that his Hotels around the world will be targets for Terrorist which would make them unpopular place to stay or even be near.

      • Paula

        Very true. Donnie’s Executive Order # 10,592, All Gov. personnel will stay at Trump properties, while traveling for gov. business.

      • Friday

        So far the terrorists love him cause he promises to both destroy freedom and democracy and also plunge into the ‘holy war’ both monotheisms’ radicals are spoiling for.

      • Xiao Ai

        There’s always a silver lining.

    • McSwagg

      You forgot tje mandatory room service for all meals.

  • I’m starting to understand how Cassandra must’ve felt…

    • Chucktech

      Brexit was our Cassandra.

  • Jerry Kott

    The Revolution will not be televised! Gil Scott Heron

    • Xiao Ai

      Uh, RATINGS!

  • Texndoc

    Michael Moore was right all along and I didn’t want to listen: it was blue collar whites in the rust-belt who gave a big F-U with Trump and didn’t care if they were called racist.

    • Jerry Kott

      and they didn’t care if they sank the ship. From my experience , you can’t teach something to someone who doesn’t want to learn. Shooting yourself in the foot is a pass time.

    • CJAS

      Didn’t 45% of college-educated white women vote for him? The other candidate just gave a subset of voters the hate they’d been waiting to hear.

      • Strepsi

        and even though Latinos broke 75% for Hillary it begs the question WHAT THE F$#@ is WRONG WITH 25% of the LATINOS in the US?!

        • CJAS

          That’s 4 points better than Pres. Obama did. So I’d suggest that not much is wrong with Latino voters, comparatively.

        • Kate

          Legal immigrants rather dislike illegal immigrants. When you wait 10 years for the right to come, and other people come illegally, hop the fence, bring criminality, and work illegally (often competing for the same jobs), there’s not a lot of sympathy.

          • The_Wretched

            It’s normal to vote against a man who retweets white supremacists when you’re not white (and sometimes even then). Legal immigrants tend to also have family who is of uncertain status.

          • Friday

            I wouldn’t expect them to be dumb enough to think the bigots actually check your papers, ….Trump claimed being third-generation Mexican-American made a district judge unable to rule about one of his unrelated frauds fairly.

          • Kate

            Judge Sotomayer once commented on how a “wise latina”, because of her ethnic heritage, might very well make different (in her opinion, better) decisions than a white male judge would.

            Trump made the same comment – that a judge affiliated with a race-based advocacy group (la raza) might make a different (in his opinion, worse) decisions, due to the judge’s ethnic heritage.

            It’s a double standard. Either a judge’s heritage affects judgement, or it doesn’t.

          • StraightGrandmother

            Sotomayer no doubt DOES see racism more than white people and it was not wrong of her to say that. But Trump University lawsuit doesn’t habe anything to do with racism, it was just a generic scam so it was wrong of him to smear the Federal Judge hearing his court case, that he recently settled. To bad no residents in Florida will get their money back, after a $25,000 donation to her campaign Pam Bondi declined to join in the court case to protect Florida residents.

            There is no double standard, every judge brings their life experiences with them to the bench. And the life experiences of a Latina Supreme Court Justice is quite different than say Chief Justice Roberts when it comes to the issue of race and discrimination.

          • Kate

            “And the life experiences of a Latina Supreme Court Justice is quite different than say Chief Justice Roberts when it comes to the issue of race and discrimination.”

            Which is exactly why the heritage of a judge might affect the ruling. Trump wasn’t wrong to point that out, particularly when the judge in question is affiliated with racially-based advocacy groups.

          • StraightGrandmother

            Beg to differ, you are creating a false equivalency between a court case that involves racism and a court case that is a business fraud court case. I do not believe race is a factor, the race or ethnicity of the victims Donald Trump duped in Trump University.

          • ericxdc

            So you’ve indirectly answered my earlier question to you: there really is nothing that Trump can do that you won’t rationalize away.

          • Friday

            No, it’s *not* the same thing. And that’s nothing to do with ‘double-standards’ except those that assume only white straight Christians are ‘above bias’ even when being blatant ideologues ….or when just plain having no clue what it’s like to be any kind of minority. “Wise” we should hope for any Justice, ….guess who doesn’t necessarily *have* to be.

          • Ross

            Kate, you seem to believe the nonsense that immigrants are a BIG problem.

            They are a small problem. And getting ever smaller:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/131d1f60f1a74295759224a13692da4833c20e01af91404a6c705e90d5d9c320.png

          • Kate

            A country without borders is not a country, and laws that are broken breed contempt for other laws.

            We have immigration laws – we need to enforce them. The harm they do is a secondary (though certainly important) matter, but at the end of the day, a country that cannot, or will not enforce it’s laws, is not a country.

          • Ross

            Kate, you wrote: “We have immigration laws – we need to enforce them.”

            You appear to live in a tiny bubble. A tiny non-reality bubble.

            Because in reality we have, yes, immigration laws, but we DO enforce them.

            Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than any president in history:

            http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

          • Kate

            They changed the definition of deportation to include “catch and release” people at the border.

            http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

            “A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

            Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.”

            “If you are a run-of-the-mill immigrant here illegally, your odds of getting deported are close to zero — it’s just highly unlikely to happen,” John Sandweg, until recently the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said in an interview.”

            His “deferred action” for illegal students and their parents is another problem.

          • andrew

            Most who “hop the fence” are not bringing criminality and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting it.

          • Kate

            “Most who “hop the fence” are not bringing criminality and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting it. ”

            Failure to register is a crime. Working illegally is a crime. Identity theft (using a stolen SSN, needed to work for most employers) is a crime. Uttering false documents (showing fake ID) is a crime.

            If you are over 18, and have not registered as a foreign alien, you are a criminal. Almost all of them are criminals. Anyone working illegally is a criminal.

            “This slander shows you to be a mindless Trump supporter”

            It’s not slander – they are very literally breaking the law constantly, particularly when it comes to fake ID. I am a lawful, Mexican immigrant.

          • andrew

            I seriously doubt that you are a Mexican immigrant, legal or illegal. I’ve looked at some of your posts and you seem to be nothing more than a shrill voice of the right.

          • Kate

            That’s me, the “voice of the right”, with my support for unions, tariffs, a living wage, climate change mitigation, and opposition to religion in all it’s forms as a pox on humanity.

    • Kate

      That’s because being called “racist” has lost any meaning, any power.

      If you want voting to be reserved to legal citizens, you’re “racist”.
      If you want jobs to be reserved to legal citizens, you’re “racist”.
      If you want the government to focus on displaced Americans before displaced foreigners, you’re “racist”.
      If you believe in protective tariffs, you’re “racist”.
      If you vote for a man who you think will protect the country because he will shift the focus to the economy and jobs, you’re “racist”.

      I’m Mexican. I’m an immigrant. My family were lawful immigrants. Believing that people should follow the law when immigrating regularly gets me called a “racist”, here and elsewhere.

      The left has called enough people racist, for long enough, that people quit caring. The SPLC and the ADL tag anyone who thinks differently, and people don’t care anymore.

      It’s really going to backfire – instead of reserving the words for actual racism, and people avoiding actual racists like the plague, the word itself is losing it’s meaning, which will help racism grow.

      The boy has cried “racist” one too many times.

      • The_Wretched

        If you think Trump or the Republicans will create even one job, you’re wrong. Their policies kill jobs and shift wealth to the most elite.

      • Friday

        If you think those excuses have anything to do with the real and obvious racism, never mind reality, *you’re* too racist to realize the side you’re supporting is blatantly *lying* to you about the real state of affairs. Particularly about who’s voting. (Though pretty conspicuously, if you think there’s anything ‘too PC’ or ‘related to racism’ about why (claims of) protectionist trade policies *are a dumb idea when the corporations already outsourced our manufacturing * …then you’re being lied to about economics and what job-outsourcer Trump and his corporate cronies actually intend to do. )

      • Ross

        If you want voting to be reserved to legal citizens, you’re “racist”.

        No, that just means you respect the law: Non-citizens can’t vote.

        If you want jobs to be reserved to legal citizens, you’re “racist”.

        No, that just means you live in a fantasy world where non-legal citizens are ‘taking” away jobs from citizens, rather than dealing with the reality that non-legal citizens accept crappy jobs that citizens don’t want.

        If you want the government to focus on displaced Americans before displaced foreigners, you’re “racist”.

        No, that makes you a Xenophobe.

        If you believe in protective tariffs, you’re “racist”.

        No, that just means you are ignorant about economics.

        If you vote for a man who you think will protect the country because he will shift the focus to the economy and jobs, you’re “racist”.

        No, that just means you are stupid in buying the bullshit. Not a single credible economist thinks Trump will create jobs.

        • Kate

          “Non-legal citizens accept crappy jobs that citizens don’t want”

          Crappy jobs stay crappy jobs because illegal workers keep them that way. If you try running a contractor in many places with legal labor, you can’t win the bid.

          As long as illegal workers are willing to work for less than legal wages, many jobs will stay at that wage. Eliminate the illegal workers, and the businesses – all of them will have to raise their prices enough to cover a legal wage, or go out of business.

          Illegal work undermines worker protections, and the ability of unions to push for living wages. When coupled with tariffs, companies are able to raise their prices without going business due to foreign competition that uses cheap labour.

          • StraightGrandmother

            Remove 10 million people out of our economy, that is going to hurt the economy.
            Landlords won’t be able to rent their properties do to low demand. Remove 10 million people out of our economy and it’s gonna hurt. Who do you think picks all our California lettuce and Florida oranges?

          • Who do you think fill most of the positions in restaurant kitchens? Many chefs have had to learn spanish to communicate with their staff. There has always been undocumented humans filling in the gaps and spaces of society. It will never change unless we become a one world country.

          • Kate

            “It will never change unless we become a one world country.”

            Or, we get serious about enforcing laws. Child labour was once a big problem – now, it’s rather rare. Illegal labour should be the exception, rather than the rule, and it should carry harsh penalties. Extreme fines for the first offence, and loss of business and jail time for the second.

          • Kate

            “Remove 10 million people out of our economy, that is going to hurt the economy.”

            Short term, absolutely.

            “Landlords won’t be able to rent their properties do to low demand.”

            Which (like the housing crash) will help return property prices to more sane levels, and help the millenials be able to actually afford houses, rather than living their lives renting. This will result in greater amount of lifetime savings.

            For bonus points, unemployment has been high among youth and high school students, who are often the ones forced to compete with illegal labour in places like fast food, janitorial, etc.

            “Who do you think picks all our California lettuce and Florida oranges?”

            Why do you think all our California lettuce and Florida oranges are so cheap? Illegal labour. To pay more, they need to charge more. Add an extra $0.25 per head of lettuce, and you can start paying a living wage. Repeal NAFTA, and you don’t have to compete with tariff-free Mexican crops.

          • StraightGrandmother

            “Which (like the housing crash) will help return property prices to more
            sane levels, and help the millennial be able to actually afford houses,”

            Yes and what about older people who have invested their life savings into rental properties and literally live off of this investment income? So the old people lose out so a millennial can buy a house below market value? There are two sides to every coin. People can always move further out and commute a longer distance, old people have nothing to replace their lost income. Crashing the economy by taking 10 million people out of our country robs anyone who has any investments.

            So if you think 10 million ppl who are illegal leave there are 10 million teenagers who want those jobs and can replace them? Kate, if we deport them all it will absolutely crash our economy. And I am against “guest worker” programs. Any program that does not have a path to citizenship is plain old slavery in my book. It is an unfair advantage over the worker.

            Could your ancestors legally immigrate today? If they were highly skilled doctors then yes they can, if not highly skilled, then they would not be admitted today.

          • Kate

            “Yes and what about older people who have invested their life savings into rental properties and literally live off of this investment income?”

            They get screwed, like any housing bubble popping.

            There are a lot of people in Vancouver who bought houses for $200,000, and now the price has been ran up by foreign investment and speculation (foreign and domestic). This has ran the prices up to ridiculous levels.

            Now, there are a lot of people who have refinanced, or who are counting on it for their retirement. If they deflate the bubble, a lot of people lose on their retirement. If they don’t, we have an entire generation living their whole lives in debt, as they can’t ever afford to buy.

            “So the old people lose out so a millennial can buy a house below market value?”

            No. The artificially high prices on housing that have occurred due to cheap, easy access to credit and exploitable labour drops down to reasonable levels, and people who tried to use a commodity as an investment vehicle lose out.

            A home (historically speaking) tends to track the price of inflation. With interest, it’s a losing proposition to buy and hold, but it holds it’s value reasonably well. Homes are consumer goods, and should not be going up wildly in price, unless there is a change in the fundamentals (such as a new employer opening up in the area). You could make a lot of money in Beanie Babies, but it was a bubble. Popping that bubble hurt a bunch of people, but people shouldn’t use a consumer good for their retirement.

            “There are two sides to every coin. People can always move further out and commute a longer distance, old people have nothing to replace their lost income.”

            Old people who based their entire retirement on the value of their house, yes. That’s true whether they want to sell, or rent it out. We need a social safety net, and better (mandatory) retirement – outside home equity.

            “So if you think 10 million ppl who are illegal leave there are 10 million teenagers who want those jobs and can replace them?”

            No. I think there are millions of teenagers, and adults who will take the jobs when the price starts getting above minimum wage.

            “Kate, if we deport them all it will absolutely crash our economy.”

            No, it won’t. It will destroy some components of it, for a short period of time. A shortage of bananas and clean bathrooms isn’t going to crash the entire economy.

            Besides, we don’t have to deport them all overnight. If we can keep them from coming back, we can deport a few million every year. We can finish it up during Trump’s second term.

            “And I am against “guest worker” programs. Any program that does not have a path to citizenship is plain old slavery in my book.”

            So, we let prices go up. I’m ok with that.

            “Could your ancestors legally immigrate today? If they were highly skilled doctors then yes they can, if not highly skilled, then they would not be admitted today.”

            I’m aware. I’m a lawful immigrant myself. While marriage equality was the straw that broke the camel’s back, I have wanted to move to Canada (at least temporarily) for some time.

            Canada has a points system based on the factors that led to successful integration and economic success, as well as contributing rather than being a burden. Points are allocated for age (more time paying taxes, less burden on the healthcare system), for language competency (better able to find a job), for education and work experience (able to find better jobs).

            It works well. It’s not Canada’s job to be a good deal for me – I’m free to take the offer or leave it. It’s my job to be a good deal for Canada – if I can’t succeed, or I lack the skills to be an asset, I have no business being allowed in. The government of Canada should act in the interests of their citizens, and so should the US.

            Illegal immigrants undermine wages and worker protections, and should be gone. The same goes for low-skilled immigrants. Immigration should be a privilege, reserved for the best, and the brightest.

          • StraightGrandmother

            “The same goes for low-skilled immigrants. Immigration should be a privilege, reserved for the best, and the brightest.”

            I don’t agree with this statement at all. If this were our policy we would never had admitted the 300,000 to 700,000 Russian Jews who were persecuted in the former Soviet Union. Immigration, refugees, can never be reserved for the best and the brightest, that is elitism. We invite people for humanitarian reasons as well, family unification is a big one. The Somalis who lived in a horrible war torn country, yes them too. Obviously we can’t house every person who lives in non democratic countries, however to say we ONLY ever admit the best and the brightest, no I don’t go along with that.

          • Kate

            “If that were our policy we would never have admitted the 300,000 to 700,000 Russian Jews who were persecuted”

            Yes, that’s true. There are billions of people on this planet – it’s mathematically impossible to solve the world’s problems with immigration. We have to help people where they are.

            “That is elitism”

            No, it’s the belief that governments should act for their people, not for foreigners who don’t pay taxes or elect them. Each government is accountable to, and responsible for, it’s own people.

            “Family unification is a big one”

            Family unification is the government acting for it’s own citizens. That’s a legitimate thing for a government to do.

          • PBGVNinja

            Also the low prices are due to higher mechanization in US agriculture than in Mexico, and efficiencies in distribution of US raised crops (Mexico does not have a lot of high grade infrastructure – no nationwide system of superhighways like the US Interstate Highway System. Fewer workers are needed to pick many crops in the US vs. Mexico, where the farm labor pool is large and the wages are low. We pick a lot of crops by machine, Mexicans pick them by hand. As for repealing NAFTA, that is going to be difficult to get through Congress, I believe. Too many US corporations have vested interests in the status quo vis a vis Mexico.

          • Kate

            Trump may not need to go through congress. It’s an executive agreement, and arguably he could just give notice unilaterally. There would be a lawsuit, certainly, but it’s a possibility.

          • andrew

            No one, not even the demagogue Trump is going to remove ten million people from our country.

          • Kate

            We’ll see. REAL ID laid a lot of the groundwork.

            They have done millions of deportations under Obama – there’s nothing stopping them from doing more.

            Heck, if Trump wanted to, he could start with the lists of immigrants registered for Obama’s executive amnesty. Obama collected a nice list of names and addresses of people all in the country illegally.

            It would piss a lot of people off, but that hasn’t stopped him before.

        • Xiao Ai

          Kate likes to diddle herself when she sees her comments in print. Pity, no one else even likes to see her comments.

        • Kate

          “Not a single credible economist thinks Trump will create jobs.”

          Not a single credible pollster thought Trump would win the nomination. Or election.

          What’s your point?

          • andrew

            If Trump starts a tariff war as he has suggested, millions of jobs will be lost here and abroad.

          • Kate

            Yes, they will.

            Jobs lost abroad is kind of the point, and replacing lower-paying jobs with fewer (but higher-paying) jobs can be a net positive, particularly for positions where people have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet.

      • andrew

        I wish you had said “some” on the left have “called enough people racist”. Many on the left, in and out of Congress, have been working hard to improve the lives of working class people of every race. When you see an organization or individuals working to improve the lot of working people, they are almost always liberals in their politics. When you read about proposed legislation in Congress to improve the lives of working class Americans, it is almost always being proposed by those on the left. The “rugged individualism” and unregulated capitalism of those on the right does nothing to lift up the lives of working class Americans.

        • Bill_Perdue
          • andrew

            Of course they are. Some are center left like Clinton and some are left, like many of the Democrats in the Senate.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Keep on smoking that hopium. Democrats are all rightwing and range from right centrists to rightists.

            Socialists are leftists.

        • Kate

          Edited to point out that it’s some on the left. There is a lot of diversity in opinion in the party, and I don’t want to imply that everyone on the left abuses the term racist – rather, those who do abuse it are devaluing it, and they are almost exclusively on the left.

          • andrew

            The fringe on the right are often racist, so they are not going to use the term racist. Just like the left has to deal with their fringe, who see racism everywhere, the right has to deal with their fringe who are racist. Look how many white supremacist have come out applauding Trumps election. Just like JFK, Carter, Clinton and Obama had to make it clear that they rejected the extremist on the left, Trump must distance himself from the extremists on the right, Appointing extremists like Bannon to important positions shows that he is not willing to do that.

          • Kate

            “Look how many white supremacist have come out applauding Trumps election.”

            And look how many literal socialists, and misandrists support Hillary. It’s not surprising that people who are racist support Trump. That has nothing to do with the rest of us.

            “Trump must distance himself from the extremists on the right, Appointing extremists like Bannon to important positions shows that he is not willing to do that.”

            You’re linking two separate things. Trump has disavowed racism. He doesn’t have to disavow his electorate.

          • andrew

            Trump hasn’t disavowed racism if he has a white supremacist like Bannon as one of his chief advisers.

      • stevenj

        You are attempting to do the same thing the “alt right” people are doing. Sugar coat racism. Sorry – fail.

      • andrew

        I am the grandchild and great grandchild of Irish immigrants who always knew, no matter their flaws, that it was the left, the Democrats, that were fighting to make the American dream a reality for them. It is clear to me that it is the left, the Democrats, who are today fighting to give Mexican American immigrants and all immigrants and minority groups their fair chance at the American dream. The right made up of unregulated capitalism supporters and fundamentalist Christians are interested in pursuing their own extremist agenda and not really interested in improving the lives of working class Americans.

    • SoCalGal20

      I’d say that combined with voter suppression in WI and MI and several other states. Add Comey in the mix and, well, here we are.

  • andrew

    t seems reasonable to believe that Comey’s intention was to help Trump.

    • Kate

      It’s funny – everyone said the exact opposite when he found that her wrongdoing wasn’t enough to merit prosecution.

  • Ninja0980

    Anyone who says with a straight face that Comey’s letter didn’t impact the race and downballot races is a flat out liar or fool.
    Or both.

  • Dave B

    No shit.

  • penpal

    Oh, please. DEMOCRATS lost this election for her. SHE lost this election for her. Weak, ineffectual, bullied-and-belittled, establishment Democrats who couldn’t land a single effective blow against the most incompetent, corrupt presidential candidate this country has ever seen in its entire history, they lost this election for her. It’s an absolute fucking disgrace. They can bitch about the dirty tricks, the sexism, the Trump-obsessed media, gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, and whatever else, and it won’t matter. Republicans have figured out how to win elections and Democrats haven’t. “When they go low, we go high”, right? And that’s why they now control the House, Senate, state governorships, and soon the presidency.

    • Friday

      Actually, that’s bullshit, “Landing blows” was ridiculously easy and target-rich, …frankly the corporate media outdid itself trying to make a ‘lopsided’ fight into a ‘nail-biting horse race’ and that put everything in range of various lies, cheats, and corruptions and vote-suppressions that were also each very obvious. Comey just put a stamp of officialdom on so much of the fact that the real issues simply weren’t *covered* while the Right and corporate media just harped on proven bullshit about those same emails Comey tried reinflaming into a ‘real story’ at just the key moment.

  • GayOldLady

    In effect we had a Coup on November 8th, 2016 orchestrated by James Comey, dark agents in the FBI, Vladimir Putin, Julian Assange and Wikileaks. There should not be a transfer of power on January the 20th. The Electors should refuse to vote for Trump even if that means they refuse to cast a vote at all.

    • Ross
    • Bill_Perdue

      Hysterical.

      “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. “HL Mencken

      Lose the hysteria.

    • Kate

      All kinds of people tried to influence the election. Some of them were foreign. Some of them were not. Some (like the Saudis, and Wall Street, and most of the media) were in favour of Hillary Clinton. Some (like Fox News, and most of the police and military), were not.

      It was not a coup. There was a vote, and the vote was fair. The news was not.

      To quote Elizabeth Warren (when Trump said the election might be rigged):

      “It’s not rigged. You’re losing fair & square. Put on your big-boy pants because this is what accountability looks like, Anyone with children knows that whining about imaginary cheating is the last refuge of the sore loser

      Or, Obama:

      “There is no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time. And so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes,”

      • GayOldLady

        Commenting from the safety of your HOME in Canada.

      • GayOldLady

        When a presidential candidate invites a foreign government that is hostile to the U.S. but friendly with Trump, to hack the campaign of his opponent believing that hack will help him win an election, and that country obliges said candidate and releases the info in dump fashion via Wikileaks to the public, I would call that a Coup. You can call it whatever you want because you’re a Trumpologist.

        Donald Trump has basically threatened our NATO allies with pulling our support for the alliance, in doing that he has fulfilled the number one item on Putin’s wish list. Donald Trump has already breached diplomatic protocol with China and today, for the first time since diplomatic relations were reestablished with China during the Nixon Administration, China flew a nuclear bomber along the nine-dash line in the China Sea. China is the one and only diplomatic card we have to play in keeping North Korea in line. If we fuck up our relationship with China, you can count on Kim Jong-Un to send an intercontinental ballistic missile in our direction. It may not be armed, yet, but he has the missile that will reach North America. STAY IN CANADA!!!

  • Michael

    Wow, well that’s a crock of crap. Hillary lost the election because of Hillary. Nothing else.

    • stevenj

      Although she garnered 2.7 million more popular votes.

  • Stubenville

    …and he has neither been charged with violating the Hatch Act nor been fired by the President. Pitiful.

    • Why won’t President Obama fire Comey? Why????

  • Mark

    Well. well. well. So where was your fucking spine back in November?

    • His wife had to craft him one.

  • Sean Taylor

    Hillary Clinton cost Hillary Clinton the election. You cannot go around like “neener neener neener, I’m gonna win” not address the issues and lower yourself to the level of your shitty opponent and not expect someone to hand you your hat. Can’t be done. She made huge mistakes, and her hubris is going to cost us all. damnit

    • Gianni

      2.7 million more people cast ballots for Hillary than for Donald. She lost the presidency because of a built-in fuckup in our electoral system.

      • Sean Taylor

        That’s true she did get more votes, in all the wrong places. She didn’t campaign where she should have. She along with her campaign manager elected to ignore WI MI and PA. She did this to herself by not paying attention to some very obvious signs in the campaign, in fact she ignored the advice of her husband, who presumably knows a thing or two about the subject. Just because she got more votes does NOT change a thing. We’re still screwed and apologizing for her and blaming a thing WE ALL KNOW EXISTS like the electoral college doesn’t help a damn thing. Not accepting responsibility for errors is so the new American way. She fucked up…period.

        • Gianni

          Remember something: Hind sight is always 20/20. The shit system that is the Electoral College is totally to blame for her loss. That is one of those hard facts. No matter who blames what, nothing is going to change the results now. We all know that. 2.8 million votes (it has gone up) cast that don’t count for a thing. This system of ours literally tossed millions of valid votes right into the dumpster. Whether she and her campaign made judgement errors in where to concentrate her campaigning also doesn’t change a thing. She still got many, many more Americans to vote for her than did Donald. W/O this dumbass Electoral College system, she would be the President. That is one of those cold, hard, facts. The system is flawed and has caused 5 candidates, who should have won, to lose the presidency over the course of time since its inception.

          • Sean Taylor

            yep no responsibility. Buy American!

          • Gianni

            Nothing like keeping your blinders on.

          • Sean Taylor

            I was thinking that very thing

          • Gianni

            Sean, I want you to know that I understand where you are coming from and I’ve understood all that you’ve said. It’s easy, after the fact to, say that Hillary could have won if she would have done this, that, or the other thing differently. That may very well be true, but you can’t know that. No one has a crystal ball that predicts the future or can look back and see a different and, in this case, a more successful outcome for Hillary. You, of course, aren’t alone in that viewpoint, but it really is supposition. Hillary has lost the election and there is no way to go back in time and prove your point. I don’t wish to sound pompous, but, my point is perfectly provable. If it weren’t for the built in screwup in our presidential election system, Hillary would in fact be our next President to the tune of having received almost 3 million more votes than her competition. True, as you’ve said, that is the system we have. But the system has a major flaw in it and it has allowed, twice in sixteen years, for the loser to win the office. Also true is the fact that this chink in the system can be changed. Sure, it wouldn’t be easy mainly because altering the Constitution is not an easy thing to do. But it’s been done many times since its inception and it’s not impossible. The candidate that gets the most people to vote for them for President is the one who should be the President.

          • Sean Taylor

            Thank you for this. Let’s hope we actually can get rid of the electoral college.

          • Gianni

            You’re welcome and thank you for answering.

          • JOHN MAYOR
          • Gianni

            Thank you for that info. The electoral college has long outlived whatever benefit it was intended to bestow on certain states. It has literally become a destroyer of voters’ intentions. We’ve all heard repeatedly from people who don’t vote using the excuse that “my one vote doesn’t count” . Well, this election has once again proven that there is a certain logic to that statement. This time around, almost 3,000,000 votes didn’t count. That’s 3 million people who didn’t have to bother voting. The Electoral College easily makes a lie out of the notion that in this democracy, every vote counts. This is the fifth time in its history that the Electoral College has turned the loser of the election into the winner. I read one comment that said the Electoral College prevents the “tyranny of the majority”. By that reasoning, it pays to get the least amount of votes because, while technically being the loser, you become the winner. Totally ass-backwards and insane to its core.

  • Between Comey and his last moment email nonsense, and the press refusing to hit Cheetolini hard on his many lies, outrages statements and pure and utter racism we have what has been sown. A jumped up new rich redneck with zero sophistication and a skin thinner than a fresh peach.

  • LAguy323

    I thought it was the RUSSIANS?
    I thought it was the 3rd Party Voters?
    I thought it was the Bernie or Bust crowd?
    I thought it was the vagina haters?
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  • JOHN MAYOR

    ATTENTION JOE AND JMG COMMUNITY, THE FOLLOWING GOOGLE SEARCH STRING AND GOOGLE SEARCH RESULT CONTAINS AN URGENT NOTICE!:… AND, HARRY REID’S PROGNOSIS IS PREMATURE, AS THE PROCESS ISN’T OVER UNTIL THE ELECTORS MEET ON DECEMBER 19, AND CONGRESS MEETS ON JANUARY 6, 2017!!
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    c-o-l-o-r-a-d-o electors appeal ruling that binds them to clinton…
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    Please!… no emails!

  • JOHN MAYOR

    Hey Joe!… re my gifs below in response to “baghead”!… the “arrangement” of the gifs have been altered! And so… this doesn’t reflect good on the site!… and it doesn’t reflect control by way of the Blog Hosting Service! And!… it breaches FREE EXPRESSION!
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    Lady Gaga was selected by me as the FIRST GIF, as Lady Gaga has led the charge to have the Electors support the Change.org Petition to switch their Trump votes to Hillary! And!… the young girl on the bus was chosen by me as the FINAL GIF, as she represents the future of American women!… and thus, deserves to “sum up” the story I’ve pictorially told! And… and to be frank!… allowing someone (ANYONE!) to alter even the “arrangement” of the images displayed in association with a Comment Log/ Clog, is as egregious as allowing someone to arrange the actual text in a Clog! To the extent that one is granted by this site to display gifs!… and to the extent that the original creators of the gifs directly and/ or indirectly allow their gifs to be displayed!… the “arrangement” of same, should be the choice of the presenter/ Clogger! And, if an original creator of a gif is dissatisfied with the use of one’s gif!… and “fair use” DOES NOT apply!… then such have every Right to invoke a “Take Down Notice” based on justified grounds! Otherwise, not even an original creator has a LEGITIMATE Right to effect a “rearrangement” of one’s “seconded” renderings!
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    Individuals are free to effect a “reworking” of even my efforts!… BUT, INDIVIDUALS ARE N-O-T F-R-E-E TO “REWORK” MY EFFORTS WITHIN THE CLOG I’VE FASHIONED!… save, of course, for the “social anarchy” this site permits!
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    Please!… no emails!

  • JOHN MAYOR

    P.S.: I just realized why someone thought the young girl in the, “on the bus gif”, should be stuck in the middle of the remaining four gifs!… and that is, as this jerk thinks she’s a w-i-d-d-l-e b-a-b-y, and in need of some “protection (being isolated at the bottom of the other gifs!)”, this “HERO” thought it was best to place her “more comfortably” next to her BIG SIS, Taylor Swift! Or, this jerk is INDIFFERENT to the girl in the “on the bus gif”, and relegated her to some “marginalized position (and how shall I put it?… AT THE BACK OF THE BUS!)”! Or, this jerk believes that Lady Gaga would– should!– “push her way to the microphone (metaphorically speaking!)” and FORCIBLY UTTER the “last word” on all things feminine, and Trumpian!… and, maybe, because Lady Gaga has been the champion of the Change.org Petition!
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    First of all!… MORON!… this young girl’s PROBELM is having people like YOU pat her on the head, and say:… “Now, now!… w-i-d-d-l-e b-a-b-y g-i-r-l!… I’ll take care of you!… I know where you belong!… S-T-U-C-K I-N T-H-E M-I-D-D-L-E O-F N-O-W-H-E-R-E! And exactly WHERE people like Trump want such to be! Not on their own!… U-N-M-O-L-E-S-T-E-D!… and standing up for one’s self!… but, somewhere OUT THERE, A-D-R-I-F-T I-N M-E-D-I-O-C-R-I-T-Y!
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    And as for Lady Gaga!… Lady Gaga believes– as I believe!– that the future of this w-i-d-d-l-e b-a-b-y g-i-r-l (who, incidentally, is much older now!) rests with her TAKING ACTION!… and not COWERING BEHIND some “protector”! She understands that this w-i-d-d-l-e b-a-b-y g-i-r-l MUST AFFIRM HER OWN PLACE IN THE WORLD! And although Lady Gaga realizes the just aforesaid, she also realizes that someone must take the LEAD!… A-N-D L-A-D-Y G-A-G-A H-A-S!… and so, DESERVES FIRST BILLING!! But then!… maybe!… you were just being an *SSHOLE!
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    Please!… no emails!