NORTHERN IRELAND: Activists Ask Santa For Equality As Poll Shows 70% Support For Same-Sex Marriage

The Belfast Telegraph reports:

The Northern Ireland public would vote overwhelmingly in favour of same-sex marriage, the latest Lucid Talk tracker poll has found. The Northern Ireland polling company runs regular online tracker polls on topical issues to register changes, trends and opinions. For a period of 60 hours between November 30 and December 2, 1,536 people responded to the survey. Those responses were boiled down to 1,080 in order to extrapolate the results to represent Northern Ireland. And almost 70% of people said they were in support of it.

Lucid Talk managing director, Bill White explains: “As we see a healthy majority of Northern Ireland would support same-sex marriage. However, there are some warning signs. A majority of unionists are still against same-sex marriage, while nationalist/republicans and Alliance/Green/PBP/Others (Graph 4) are overwhelmingly in favour, with both groups showing 90-95% support for same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland. However, with a majority of unionists still against, this indicates that in a full blown referendum situation – with the DUP electoral machine in full opposition mode – then the final result could much closer than our polling might suggest.”

And from Gay Star News:

Northern Ireland same-sex campaigners don’t want a lot for Christmas, all they’re asking for is same-sex marriage. Love Equality, the campaign launched to finally give the last place in the UK marriage equality, unveiled a massive card to Santa and encouraged shoppers to sign their support. An estimated 300 people signed the card throughout the evening.

John O’Doherty, of the Love Equality campaign, said: “Christmas is a time for families, for celebrating the time that we spend together and reflecting on the past year. We want to spread a message of equality and inclusion this Christmas. That is why we are asking people to get involved in the campaign for marriage equality and make a big impact by signing our huge Christmas card to ask Santa to bring us marriage equality for Christmas.”

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  • zhera

    How can NI be so difficult when its neighbor Ireland is not? NI is surrounded by equality, the people WANT it. Yet, the politicians are blocking it.

    Something is very, very wrong with this picture!

    • Archipelagos

      Nobody defines obstinacy quite like politicians from NI, nobody.

    • Chucktech

      Two words: Catholic Church.

      • JWC

        The Catholic flly embraces a gay life style…. for inhouse Bishops and priests

      • TuuxKabin

        Five. Goddamn fucking RCC.

      • StillALiberal

        Can’t put the blame on the Catholic Church for this one at least. Most nationalists (who are primarily Catholic) support equality but the unionists (who are primarily Protestant) that are the major stumbling block. The RCC maybe anti-equality but they are ignored by most NI Catholics on this issue, it’s the NI evangelical versions of Tony Perkins that provide the main opposition.

    • ChrisMorley

      See may explanation of the complex realities of religion and the struggle for marriage equality in Northern Ireland above: http://www.joemygod.com/2016/12/10/northern-ireland-activists-ask-santa-equality-poll-shows-70-support-sex-marriage/#comment-3045925373

  • Gustav2

    Translation:

    All those with a Christianist lifestyle could undermine equality.

    • bsinps

      Also the SIN FEN which is the largest Republican Party in Ireland, also associated with the Irish Republican Army and extremely Anti-LGBT.

      • StillALiberal
      • ChrisMorley

        Fighting with PRIDE for LGBT Rights in Ireland

        “As an Irish republican party, equality is at the core of all that Sinn Féin represents. We are committed to building a Real Republic, where social and economic equality is one of the main measurements of our nation’s success. Sinn Féin therefore has a longstanding position of support for LGBT equality in all dimensions of life and law. This includes the equal right to legal recognition of same-sex marriage and the equal right to found a family, including by adoption. It also includes full legal recognition of the preferred/acquired gender of transgender people. These are important battles that have yet to be won.”
        http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2015/LGBT-Doc_June2014.pdf

      • Canadian Observer

        Well, it is nice to see you are consistently wrong… the correct spelling is Sinn Féin, and Gerry Adams (leader of the party) has been a consistent supporter of LGBT rights since at least the early 1980s – I had the chance to interview him when he was in Montreal on a tour in 1982 and when I broached the question with him back then… much to the annoyance of the local organizer of the tour, and Mr. Adams took the time to correct his organizer and came out clearly in support of gay rights as being an important part of SF’s platform.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        You’re quite wrong on this.
        In the early ’90s I met someone who had marched in one of the first LGBT parades in Belfast. She reported that an IRA contingent marched with them in a show of support, and served as security.

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    • Gustav2

      TCM!

  • Paula

    If the catlicks really believed in celibacy for their priesthood, why isn’t castration a prerequisite for being ordained? It should be. That should cut down on the number of pedophile priests.

    • Gustav2

      Because castrati haven’t been used in choirs since the 19th century?

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Cry to Heaven by Anne Rice comes to mind.

    • Robert Conner

      AND…it would be following the teaching of Jesus!

      “For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others–and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” (Matthew 19:12)

    • j.martindale

      This is protestant Northern Ireland, Paula. The holdouts there are largely the Church of Ireland–conservative Presbyterian/Calvinist types.

      • ChrisMorley

        Not really. You misunderstand the realities of protestantism in Northern Ireland.
        In Northern Ireland the opposition to marriage equality comes almost exclusively from the Presbyterians of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), whose electoral manifesto is of outright opposition. Five times they have used the ‘Petition of Concern’ procedure in the Northern Ireland Assembly to veto marriage equality, on the last occasion to block a majority vote for this.
        The ‘Church of Ireland’ in Ireland are Anglicans and a small minority of the population on both sides of the Northern Ireland border. Like much of Anglicanism in Ireland and the UK it is deeply divided on marriage equality. In the Republic it accepts the realities of the Referendum and legislation there for marriage equality.
        In Northern Ireland it is a political bystander in the ongoing struggle for marriage equality, officially opposed, because UK and Irish Anglicans haven’t quite got to the point of accepting it like US episcopalians and some other Anglican communions, but in practice a tiny minority voice.
        Here’s a report in the Belfast Newsletter from Jauary 2016 of its divisions on the subject. http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/church-of-ireland-in-turmoil-again-over-same-sex-marriage-1-7164223

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          Thank you, Chris, for your very informative post.

      • Paula

        Castrate them too!

    • McSwagg

      One of the requirements to be Pope is to have intact male genitalia and they DO check. (They even have a “special chair” for the occasion.) Since any priest has the theoretical possibility to one day become Pope, castration is not allowed. That’s their rules. Logic doesn’t apply.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Try as I may to remove politics from my twitter feed it appears to be an impossibility. So, this showed up…

    https://twitter.com/VoteHillary2016/status/807417213191761920

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      • ChrisMorley

        OK.

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    • Prudence

      God I hope Trump resumes the Prosecution against Hillary

  • TrollopeReader

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    • Rebecca Gardner

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      • TrollopeReader

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  • Robert Conner
  • andrew

    Wow. Seventy percent support for marriage equality in Ulster.

  • Ginger Snap

    So nice to see a good story as I sit in the ER with a penis injury. Don’t ask just LOL with me.

    • vstill

      Then, I’ll assume the worst involving a zipper, a flaming cocktail, lips, stilettos and the obviously injured schlong in a sling.

      • Ginger Snap

        We’re you there? LOL

  • Prudence

    My issue with the term “marriage equality” because it’s not about that. If it were then you would arguing to get government completely out of marriage. That “marriage” would be left to individuals and/or the Church. If someone wants to marry a tree for example based on some weird religion then they could, but more importantly no one else would be legally forced to recognize it. So my way would protect Churches and Religious businesses who don’t want to be forced to accept gay marriage, but of course the LGBT is about using gay marriage as a weapon against Christians so..

    • Robert Pierce

      I wouldn’t say we’re using it as a weapon if so called “Christians” stopped judging, condemning the right of gay couples to have a civil marriage which has nothing to do with any religion, settled law on both sides of the pond. Here in the mainland UK, any religious component or reference to religion is strictly prohibited for both straight and gay couples choosing a civil ceremony, constructed in the 18th century by the state in the UK to accommodate divorced heteros to re-marry because the only other alternative was a religious one and churches at that time did not permit remarriage of divorced people. It would be a different argument if gay couples were trying to force religious denominations to perform same-sex marriages, which they aren’t. A number of religious denominations where I am opted in to recognise and perform marriages for gay couples which was part of the public consultation, the longest in parliamentary history, for religious denominations to have a say, whereas the established church was granted an exemption and could opt in if it so chooses to do at a later date through an Act of Parliament. This is a civil matter in N. Ireland and has nothing to do with anyone’s religion. If opponents don’t like it, don’t have one. It doesn’t affect them or their own marriages does it?