Nancy Pelosi Reelected House Minority Leader

The Associated Press reports:

House Democrats have re-elected Nancy Pelosi as their leader. The California lawmaker, who has led the party since 2002, turned back a challenge from Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan on Wednesday. Her win came despite disenchantment among some in the Democratic caucus over the party’s disappointing performance in the elections earlier this month. Democrats will remain in the minority in the House and Senate next year and won’t have the presidency as a bulwark against Republicans. Democrats were also choosing other leaders during the closed-door session that was expected to take several hours.

  • Treant

    Pelosi, not Pelosio. Just sayin, I make typos like that six times a minute… πŸ™‚

    • coram nobis

      You say Pelosi, Joe says Pelosio, let’s call the whole thing off, face the music and dance.

  • Cipher

    Seriously, when you lose the Speakership (years ago in this instance), step down! I like and respect Rep. Pelosi, but please stand aside for a new face. This does not seem to help the Democrats.

    • bkmn

      She left Steve Israel in charge of the DCCC through THREE losing election cycles. One big year of loses should have been enough.

      • SoCalGal20

        I agree something needs to happen with the DCCC. (And probably DSCC) But Pelosi knows her way around Washington and she can be a ballbuster so I’ll take her.

    • GayOldLady

      “New Face”? This job requires a person who’s experienced in getting things done in the U.S. House. And there’s nothing wrong with Pelosi’s old face, which is apparent by the final vote which she won by nearly a two-thirds majority.

      • Cipher

        We, respectfully and kindly, disagree on this. Were this the Senate, I would feel differently, but the minority in the House is so, relatively, powerless (no Filibuster Rule). I wish she had stood down years ago.

        To many people, she represents a “liberal elite”. I do not agree with that assessment or sentiment, and do not think her challenger was particularly a good option, but new blood is important to me.

        This party is withering on the vine and cannot seem to find a message. She has been maligned and the party has been marginalized under her leadership. The mere invocation of her name, in so many circles, is met with eye-rolling.

        • GayOldLady

          True, there is no filibuster, but leading a large group of Dems is like herding cats. It requires constant polling of members concerns and attention to rules associated with getting language into legislation that might be agreeable and/or advantageous to the minority. The minority can introduce bills in the House and those bills can be voted on so the Minority Leader has to be on top of every single issue that every member (193) holds dear and work with the whip to bring other members on board in support of those issues. House leadership is probably the hardest jobs in the entire Legislature and Pelosi has proven that she can manage the herd. That is no small task.

          • Piet

            She’s spent years cultivating a generally sweet demeanor, but she’s an expert at the iron fist even though that fist is in a velvet glove. I don’t remember any Speaker who had better control of the Dems, and my voting record goes back to the 60s. She can wrangle them like nobody’s ever wrangled them.

          • GayOldLady

            Sounds like we come from the same generation.

          • Piet

            Well, I’m on the shady side of 70, so I’m not going to ask, but if you’re pre-Stonewall we’re probably pretty close. Heh. I’ve seen a lot of Parades.

  • another_steve

    I don’t envy her. It’s gonna be hell being Democratic leader, what with Republican fascists in charge of the White House and both houses of Congress.

    I wish her luck.

    She’ll need it.

    • Pollos Hermanos

      She’s been there before. Remember when Bush was elected, the GOP controlled the house and senate too.

      • another_steve

        True, but this White House is going to be very very different.

        History has granted Bush the Idiot from Texas an enormous gift.

        Compared to Trump, Bush will be remembered as a noble, articulate and honorable President of the United States.

        • Pollos Hermanos

          Bush got the gift of 9/11 (which he squandered). That allowed him to do many more things that he normally couldn’t have.

          I have a feeling that Trump is going to have a much harder time of it barring any major disasters.

          • another_steve

            Pence is the one to look out for.

            Trump will soon grow tired and weary of his responsibilities and will turn over the day-to-day governing to Pence. Not unlike what Bush the Idiot did with his Vice President.

            Trump will be spending a lot of time on his golf courses, grabbing the pussies of admiring 20 year olds.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            I completely agree that Pence is going to run the show. However, when all the promises Trump made go unfulfilled, I suspect a 2018 congressional bloodbath.

          • Ninja0980

            He already has.
            Just look at his Cabinet picks, those are all Pence.

          • another_steve

            I and others have been saying this all along: The Republican Establishment hates Trump. They view him as a Reality TV clown. A successful huckster.

            Pence, however, they like. Articulate. Experienced. 100 percent theofascist.

            Everything they want in their leaders.

          • Ninja0980

            Not to mention many of the things Trump has said and done really aren’t any different then what many Republicans have said.
            We complain about how Trump has been normalized but the fact is other people like Louie Goemert and Michelle Bachmann paved the way for that.

          • another_steve

            True, but this feels different. With neanderthals like Goemert and Bachmann we can sort of shrug them off as products of congressional districts where inbreeding is apparently rampant.

            Trump is a national figure. Heavens… a world figure, now.

            shudders

          • And so far every pick has been STRONGLY anti-lbgt.

          • Ninja0980

            Because they’re Pence’s picks.

          • lymis

            I agree completely that, barring major disasters, Trump will have some serious problems.

            Sadly, I also don’t see Trump as likely to be doing much at all to bar major disasters.

  • GayOldLady

    I’m glad Pelosi won. Being the Minority Leader is not a job for a person who’s unfamiliar with the legislative processes of the U.S. House or Representatives. He’s been in the House for 3 years and he’s not quite experienced enough. Maybe next time, IF his District in Ohio, which just went for Donald Trump, re-elects him.

    • Gustav2

      And you were too polite to say extremely ambitious about becoming a DC power player, not caring about us in Ohio.

    • SoCalGal20

      I saw something that compared his fundraising to Pelosi’s and it was dismal. Part of the job of minority leader is getting people to give your party money so you can get more people elected. Not that the Dems have been very effective at that recently, especially during midterms but still. You need people that can get donations out of people.

      • Gustav2

        Ohio here, he hasn’t made the news except for this stunt…does that tell you something?

        • GayOldLady

          It tells me a lot. He sounds good in interviews, but his profile should be enhanced because of the work he’s done in his State and that’s obviously lacking.

        • Lazycrockett

          He couldn’t even when his district for Hillary.

      • GayOldLady

        She’s a prolific fundraiser. And folks forget that she gave us the last Dem Majority in the Congress. For decades the Dems weakness has been lack of enthusiasm from the base in mid-terms. I don’t blame Pelosi for that. I think the problem is systemic and can be laid squarely at the feet of the DNC and lack of a consistent strategic vision. I don’t know what Keith Ellison could do to fix this, but I do know he supported Pelosi for Minority Leader so I’m assuming he has ideas. I also think that Gov. Dean does know how to energize the Party Nationally so while I lean toward Dean because I know him better, I’m fine with whoever.

    • ShyGuy

      Rep Ryan has been in the house since 2003, and his district just re-elected him while going for Trump at the same time.

      • Gustav2

        He won in a White D district.

        • ShyGuy

          Right, Ryan was comfortably re-elected while Trump simultaneously carried his district. I think that this shows Tim Ryan knows how to reach these voters in a productive manner… something that Pelosi and the rest of the current party leadership seem incapable of doing.

          • Gustav2

            LOL, it was about marriage equality/bathroom bills and race and don’t you forget it.

      • GayOldLady

        I stand corrected! I believe Pelosi has been in the House for 30 years.

    • Robincho

      I’m with ya, GOL. As a fellow San Franciscan, it’s just good to know that she’s got our backs. The Sweet Babboo and I recently hit a snag with the bureaucrats over at USCIS (“Homeland Security”), and it was scaring the shit out of us that his work permit was due to expire on Inauguration Day. But one phone call to her resulted in her putting her chief of staff, Jonathan Gast, on the case — and now, miraculously (or not), it’s hello green card…

      • GayOldLady

        Oh, I’m glad you were able to get that worked out. I can only imagine how frightened you were.

  • Gustav2

    Congressman Ryan would be better off coming home to Ohio and helping us rebuild the Ohio Democratic coalition. Using Trump’s win in a political fan dance will not help, it only reminds us how useless he is.

  • Sam_Handwich

    I’m so sick of hearing this bullshit, especially from Dems like Ryan, about lower income working class voters

    Average Trump voter makes >70k
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4c2529d0f2ce1a30b2aea9b8acf966b1176e1169277d6e460e45b0052f5bf90b.png

    • Gustav2

      No, no, no, MSNBC and others kept telling us only white rural folks were poor.

    • SoCalGal20

      Many Trump voters just want permission to be bigots. It’s not about their income.

      • Gustav2

        In the Midwest, many higher earners who work in the cities live in areas considered ‘rural’ even though they grow lawns not pastureland.

        • SoCalGal20

          I grew up in MI. How many people are still being paid these days NOT to farm? That was a thing where I lived.

          • not very many. i was just looking at some fact based stats on agriculture; only about 1-2% of people working in this economy qualify as “producers of agriculture” ie “farmers.”

            the mythology of the subsidized to grow nothing farmer is just that, a remnant of political posturing ages past. these days, the scam in agriculture you should worry about are the Big Ag firms, who take advantage of unchanged regulations and farming laws meant to help the now nearly extinct “family farmer” but which today put millions of tax free dollars into the pockets of large corporations. the very ones who killed the actual “family farms” via unfair practices ranging from destructive industrial farming technique to manipulating finance markets to price small time operators out of business.

          • Gustav2

            The farm across the road from the my husband’s parents’ house bailed 10 years ago. His family owned that corner of the county for over 150 years. They were large enough to survive until then.

          • Gustav2

            Most have been leasing their land, so that option is passed on.

            Most of our rural friends in Wyandot County OH have not farmed the family land for two generations. They came home from WW II or Korea, got a job in a factory, lived in the family homestead and leased the land. One of our best friends just sold all the leased land AND the family homestead because she wanted to stay in her small town even though the farm was just 15 minutes away.

            Now the professional class working in the cities’ suburbs have moved to rural areas are taking the subsidy. See Rep Bachmann.

      • Gerry Fisher

        It was about a handful of things, with “low information” voting, voter suppression, and bigotry underlying other reasons.

    • GayOldLady

      I agree and notice in his concession statement that he was QUICK to write “protecting the progress we’ve made for women, minorities and those in the LGBT community”. He thought he’d go with Bernie Sanders new mantra and see if that would get him the votes he needed to become Minority Leader.

      • it saddens me to remember when it was taken for granted that part of being a democrat automatically meant you were a champion of those groups, and proud of it.

        now, saying anything like that earns you derision as a “bernie bro.”

        • GayOldLady

          The exact opposite is true. Bernie’s latest pronouncement is that the Dems pay too much attention to minorities and not enough to the working class. My argument with that is it assumes that all working class begin from the same baseline, which simply is untrue. Blacks and Latino’s, for the most part, begin far behind whites. Women begin behind men and on and on. We didn’t advance the causes of Civil Rights by addressing it as a “working class” issue. Or the causes of equality of the LGBT community by addressing it as a “working class” issue. We must continue to define every community that we stand for and stand with. We can’t lump everyone into “the working class” and expect that will level the playing field for minorities or women. It just won’t.

          • i hope you’re not implying that “minorities” and “working class” are mutually exclusive. i don’t think you are, but it’s easy for people to read that and think that’s what you meant. i don’t know what Bernie has to do with this conversaion which is why i commented on it when you brought him up. he doesn’t even caucus with the Dems all the time, and this thread is about leadership of the dem party.

            i can tell you’re proud of your own record as a liberal and i’m sure you should be. but people need to be more careful, maybe Bernie should be included in this group but i haven’t really followed him much since the end of the primaries so i won’t speak about him. type a sentence these days with the words “minorities” and “working class” and a lot of people will assume you mean the emerging and false media narrative that only white people work and all racial minorities are on aid.

          • GayOldLady

            “i hope you’re not implying that “minorities” and “working class” are
            mutually exclusive. i don’t think you are, but it’s easy for people to
            read that and think that’s what you meant.”

            No, it’s not easy to read what I said and come to that conclusion. What I wrote is clear, Bernie is currently taking the position, which Tim Ryan also embraced, that addressing all issues as “working class” issues would have won the election. That’s not what we do as Democrats. Democrats give voice to minority issues which are not fully represented if you just take everything on as a working class issue. My statement that working class “Blacks and Latino’s, for the most part, begin far behind whites.” is a true statement. My statement that “women begin behind men” is a true statement. Neither implies that minorities and working class are “mutually exclusive”, I am simply stating the fact that being in the working class does not mean we all begin with a level playing field and the socio/economic reasons for that unlevel playing field have to be addressed as separate issues.

          • Lazycrockett

            People just need to figure it out that Uncle Bernie is horrible when it comes to minorities. He’s an old white dude from Vermont.

          • GayOldLady

            Well, I thought he was weak on minority issues at the beginning of the primary season when he didn’t know how to deal with BLM. He could not comprehend that their issue was broader than just “working class” issues. He finally brought people onboard to get him in balance, but it seems he’s reverting back to his VT style of politicking.

          • Ninja0980

            Which is why he lost the primary, not because of the DNC or the media or anyone else.

      • Gerry Fisher

        Using that exact phrasing–the laundry list of targeted demographics–fuels the Whitelash paranoia that they aren’t included and are being shunted to the sidelines. We need to find different words to say almost the same thing, but in a more inclusive manner. Excluding whites from the laundry is not an “inclusive” approach. I hope that’s one of the lessons learned from Election 2016.

        • GayOldLady

          Well, speaking as an old white woman I believe that whitelash paranoia is fueled by racism & xenophobia. It’s basically the same reasons why men are fearful of voting for women. Whites, especially white men, have been at the center of this society and it’s governance from the beginning. The thought of sharing control of this country with Blacks, women, Latino’s is a very frightening prospect for a lot of white people. Pretending like we don’t need to address those issues politically and believing that it’s all covered under the blanket of “working class” seems more like a prescription for disaster than a lesson.

    • IamM

      Reaching out to the white working class about why your policies are better for them than the Republicans’ is good, pandering to their resentments about not being the only ones who matter, the way Republicans do, is absolutely wrong.

      • NancyP

        Tax cuts for middle-income people, tax hikes for the very wealthy. Health insurance for people with pre-existing conditions. Affordable education. There just isn’t a lot of interest out there in the white working class – a large fraction choose to be resentful of non-whites or to prefer being seen by the world as pious rather than practical (pro-life until birth).

      • Yes, but the latter is more effective. I want to punch people in the face when they tell me I need to talk to more conservatives. I talk to them all the time. Sometimes it even seems like they’ve recognized a few of my points. Then a week later they’re spouting the same right wing talking points that a week earlier they’d agreed weren’t true. You can’t break through the right wing bubble of social media, radio and Fox News. I encourage people to prove me wrong but I’ve had zero success. Wait…I can think of one exception. (Someone younger than me and funny enough she became an atheist before I did!)

    • NancyP

      One might make the argument that “more” lower-income voters ought to be voting Dem. Plus, more lower-income voting age people ought to be VOTING. Remember, these are the people targeted both by race and income for vote suppression. Vote suppression works. Remember, incarcerating black men for non-violent drug offenses takes away their right to vote, often permanently. The median household income is $50,000.00.The overall impression I get from the above chart is that above-median income voters favored the Republican candidate. The real issue is “how do we get the “slightly above median income” voter to see the value to him of Medicare, Social Security, government sponsored medical research, government sponsored national parks, and other governmental services. It is hard – these voters are against any services that might benefit people making less income. White voters in the lower income category are voting against entitlements for blacks, against foreigners, against anyone not in their particular conservative Christian community and anyone who dares to go against the patriarchal order by being an independent woman or being an LGBT person.

      • Gustav2

        It’s because they don’t think the entitlements will end for whites. It will be the 1950’s again, making them on top and first in line.

        • Because they don’t think of their own benefits as entitlements. I have so many relatives like this. On disability (and not really that disabled…they could work, they just can’t find a job where there would only be white people and they cant’ get along even with other white people) but railing against all those freeloaders on welfare.

      • How many elections have there been in which younger people (under 30) didn’t vote in much lower numbers that older citizens?

  • Do Something Nice

    I happy about this. Now isn’t the time to train a new leader. We need experience to outsmart the bullies.

    • i would prepare myself for disappointment, if i were you. or take a closer look at how many times pelosi’s leadership has “outsmarted” the thugs in the way that means, “they didn’t pass that one! we stopped them!” her record isn’t really so hot, there.

      • Do Something Nice

        I’ve been disappointed since the Clinton presidency, so I have no expectations.

    • William

      To the right, Nancy Pelosi is an obscene word only slightly less offensive than Hillary.

  • For those of you who needs a break: a kitten trying to copy his mama.

    https://media4.giphy.com/media/3gTiFkr0fgt9K/200w.gif

    • IamM

      Y – M – C – A…

      • Earl

        Awesome, I dance like a cat. πŸ™‚

    • Dagoril

      The cuteness! It’s up to 11!

    • james1200

      My God! They’re cute when they’re washing their face, when they’re eating, when they’re sleeping, even when they’re slowly murdering another animal for sport. I wish they’d hurry up and take over already, preferably before inauguration day.

      • another_steve

        The cuteness is a trick. A subterfuge.

        My cat will roll over, show me her beautiful belly and plead to be worshiped.

        If I refuse however, the claws come out and I’m dead meat.

        • cheakamus

          Or even if you comply, the claws eventually come out. The trick is knowing when to stop.

          • another_steve

            Tell me about it. It’s like they have internal stopwatches.

            “Ten, nine, eight, seven… you got six more seconds to rub my belly, mister, and only six. Otherwise, I attack.”

        • james1200

          Maybe this is just the toxoplasmosis talking but if you don’t quickly do everything your cat wants, you should get cut up. You’re just lucky they’re merciful overlords because I have a feeling you’re not as subservient as they’d like.

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      • Ray Taylor

        The kitten has a lot more to learn about washing its face.

    • karmanot

      Is that kitty named Baron?

    • M Jackson

      Could we please stop talking about that thing that happened several weeks ago, and instead just post photos of our cats?

      • Or people actually genuinely need a break and also have the ability to still enjoy things while being concerned about the world at large.

        Your snide is unnecessary.

        • M Jackson

          Unlike your “snide” which is very necessary and of great import.
          Got it.

        • M Jackson

          My comment about cat photos was completely sincere, your gif was adorable and JMG readers have a long tradition of posting cat photos, once a year Joe has a post specifically for that purpose.
          Your shoulder must come equipped with a chip on it.

      • JCF
  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    I know I am in the minority, but I think Pelosi has stayed too long at the fair. Nothing against her, as I feel this way about politicians in general, but sometimes change is good. Fresh leadership can be good.

    • Do Something Nice

      Don’t get me wrong – while I’m happy that Pelosi won, I’d be equally happy and supportive of Ryan. And I agree that change is sometimes good.

    • another_steve

      I felt that way about Reid’s departure in the Senate. Chuck Schumer will be much more aggressive than leader Reid was.

      When I was in government and Schumer was still in the House of Representatives, my office worked closely with Schumer and his people. Boy takes shit from no one, lemme tell ya.

      Get ’em, Chucky!

      • Lawerence Collins

        Chuckles is the epitome of what’s wrong with the Democratic Party.
        I for one don’t want eight years of Donnie tiny hands and his gang of GOP thugs.
        Up till this year I was a Democrat for well over thirty years. I’m now an Independent.

    • james1200

      I’m with you! The democratic party desperately needs new blood and btw, we’ve lost 68 house seats & the GOP is stronger in congress and in the states than at any time since the 1920’s and it all happened under Pelosi so why has she not fallen on her sword and not stepped aside?

      https://media.giphy.com/media/14q71JJoU2BGN2/giphy.gif

    • I’d rather have a veteran like Pelosi defending Medicare and Social
      Security than a newbie like Ryan. And there being two Ryans leading the
      House would make things confusing.

      Change for change’s sake is not necessarily a good thing. That’s part of what gave us Donald Trump.

      • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

        I agree that change just for the sake of change isn’t the right approach, but I hope the Democratic bench is deeper than just one capable person. If it is not, then we are truly in trouble.

        • Gerry Fisher

          This

        • Agreed. I’m not for change if it’s not an improvement and I didn’t see any better options. But the wins of 2006 and 2008 are not enough to justify re-election in 2016.

      • JCF

        …esp when newbie Ryan has a history of being anti-Choice until last year!!!! Who’s gonna fight like F#CK for women’s RIGHTS to control their bodies, and who’s going to cut a White Guy’s Agreement???

    • Nax

      IMO it would be good to see a new face, hear a new voice, and start building up the bench. I like the parliamentary tradition of resigning after your party loses an election. Let’s see if someone else can do better.

    • I’m not a fan. i can’t tell you how many time conservatives have thrown her “we have to pass it to find out what’s in it” comment about Obamacare in my face. We ought to have someone better. I’m not sure that we do which explains a lot about the current state of the Democratic Party.

    • mark99k

      Fully agree. She’s done a good job but when politicians serve many, many terms they tend to lose a sense of urgency. We have almost nobody in the wings with the energy & inspiration of, say, Obama or JFK, and that’s not only bad in general but it also discourages would-be newcomers from stepping up to the plate.

    • M Jackson

      I like Pelosi a lot, but you always make good points and I respect you for that.

      • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

        Thank you!

  • i pretty much lost all respect for dems in 2008-2010. Pelosi is a big part of why. let’s all try to remember: dems had a majority in both houses and obama could honestly claim a “mandate” given the election and EC results. but nooooooooooo… they threw that once in a lifetime for dems opportunity away, and she was one of the ones making up all NEW excuses about how it’s somehow different when dems have a majority, but still can’t get anything meaningful done.

    republicans charge out of the gate with a slew of far right bills every two years when they hold both houses every time. dems failed to do something similar during Obama’s first two years, and this is what that kind of leadership lead us to. thanks, Nanci. not.

    • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

      Is she grooming anyone to take over? A successful organization should have a succession plan in the event any of its top talent fails to wake up some morning.

      • Cipher

        The succession plan should have seen her groom someone who should have taken over before now.

        • it’s fascinating to me, as someone who always looked forward to a quiet Golden Years sort of lifestyle, why so many dems simply refuse to admit that cultivating the younger generation in anticipation of eventual retirement is important. ok, fine- show us how long experience and constancy can get things done. i’ll wait over here, and try not to think of 2008-10.

          meanwhile, even for congresscritters, death really does come for us all. if you’re really so Proud of your legislative legacy, doesn’t it mean growing a fat stable of successful replacements who will protect it when you’re gone? in other words, it’s not really all about you, Nancy.

          • Ninja0980

            That is what has hurt us in so many states.
            We don’t build for the future and now the result is a weak bench in so many states.

          • Right. Let’s use Ted Kennedy as an example. He knew he was in poor health when he ran for what would be his final term. He should have hand-picked a winner who was already know in Massachusetts and endorsed them and got them in the seat. But no. He held on to that Senate seat up to his last breath and the lost it. Yes, Democrats got it back but in a swing state that might not have happened. It’s obviously that most of the old guard in both parties care more about themselves than the party or the country.

      • Nax

        Steny Hoyer. LOL

    • Bared Bear

      I reluctantly agree. I like Pelosi, but the Democratic Party allows the republicans to run over them and weaken them at every opportunity. They think politics still includes bi-partisanship when it’s in reality the freaking Lord of the Flies. I don’t know if the republicans have embedded operatives in the Democratic Party who are actually republicans or it’s actually all one incestuous The Hills Have Eyes inbreeding program or what the else hell kind of shit.

      Obama waiting on the republicans to meet him halfway was a mistake. The mid-term results throwing out the democrats in the house and senate during his 1st term should not have happened. Democrats allowing the republicans to obstruct and wait out the clock on Obama’s appointments was utter bullshit. President Trump should have only happened an old Simpsons’ episode. Republicans are ruthless without any resistance and that’s why we’re now neck deep in this utter fuckery.

      • Ninja0980

        I agree, especially when it came to the courts.
        The stupid blue slip tradition should have been scrapped and when the nuclear option was done, Obama and Democrats should have stayed in the Senate as long as it took to get all the judges confirmed, not have it so Trump has 103 vacancies to fill.

    • Nax

      I would argue that Pelosi did brilliantly in 2008-10. She was the only one get the Obama initiatives passed pretty much intact. But her time has come and gone.

      • Some of it. Not nearly all and often watered down (see: the ACA). I’m not impressed by the last-minute desperate passage of the repeal of DADT, for example. Sorry, but I’m not that impressed. At best I’d give her a B. We ought to be able to do better. I’m afraid we can’t which depresses me about the prospects for 2018.

    • JCF

      First of all, the Dems had a filibuster-proof mandate for all of SIX MONTHS (June 2009, when Al Franken was finally seated, until January 2010, when Scott Brown took Kennedy’s seat). Second, don’t blame Pelosi, blame DINOS like Lieberman (y’know, for the PUBLIC OPTION that Obamacare didn’t get???)

      Pelosi did a GREAT job in that “2008-2010” House. Got EVERYTHING that Obama wanted.

      #I’mWithHerToo

  • Bill Post

    Democrats need new leadership, this is a bad move.

  • Xiao Ai

    Oh for chrissakes. The Democrats will never learn.

  • Jmdintpa

    looks democrats want to be the party that is driven to extinction not republicans. they are on a suicide mission if they keep this up

  • Oikos

    We need new blood in the Dem leadership.

    • Lazycrockett

      Yes we do but Ryan wasn’t the new blood needed. What we lose rural america and now we’re just going to ditch diversity to appease white men?

      • GayOldLady

        For some reason Ryan jumped on the Bernie mantra that we lost because we didn’t address “the working class”. That’s BS! Of course we addressed the working class what we didn’t do was abandon our principles of championing minority issues within that “working class”.

  • Reasonoverhate

    Just another example of tone deaf politicians.

  • Oikos

    Please contact the DNC and DCCC and let them know that we are tired of losing.

    http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats

    http://dccc.org/contact/

  • Mike C

    Then we got exactly the president we deserve.

  • HZ81

    An experienced woman beats a not-as-experienced man? Wow, it can happen in America.

    • Lazycrockett

      Specially one who’s been pro choice for one hot minute.

    • Gerry Fisher

      OK, I like that silver lining. (I also like the idea that, if a major part of our strategy will be to work the procedural mechanics to strategically obstruct, then it’s a good idea to have someone super well versed in the procedures.)

      • HZ81

        Many seem to have issues with Nancy in this thread, and I have a bone or two I could pick, but she’s an effective leader and legislature. I refuse to toss out what works for the idea that “we need fresh faces.” And I bet a lot fo the people saying that went for the 74 year-old from VT.

        • TominDC

          Outside of fundraising, how has Pelosi been effective as the minority leader for the past few cycles?

          (I’m not against her retaining the job, just having a difficult time trying to figure out the metrics to judge how well/poorly a minority leader has performed.)

          • HZ81

            She is indeed awesome at raising funds, and she was great corralling votes for the ACA and in a few more recent battles of the budget with then Boehner and now Ryan. I recently read a great article about her which detailed other legislative successes, which of course I can’t recall the publication now. I will share when I can find it. I’d say google it but I don’t know if it would help.

  • Lazycrockett

    Pelosi isn’t whats wrong with the dems, she has worked her ass off in the house. The problem is the DNC and who is gonna steer that train wreck.

    • Ninja0980

      Better not be Keith Ellison.
      He is too far left for me and his responses to valid questions such as declaring there needs to be a separate country for blacks has been awful.

    • bob

      Pelosi IS the problem. She saved the NSA program that spies on innocent Americans.

      Of course, we’re supposed to suck it up and smile because “our” side is doing it….

  • tcinsf

    Michelle Malkin is still a thing? Pity, I thought that shrieking useless toad had burned out.

  • sherman

    I used to like Ryan and had hoped he would be the Senate candidate in Ohio. However he lost me with that horrendous performance on Fox Propaganda. Even in his statement today, it appears that he doesn’t understand that the Democrats are already the party of infrastructure investment, health care, and every other thing that he mentioned. Instead of attacking the party on Fox, he should be cheerleading for the party, defending their efforts, and attacking the Republicons that have obstructed everything.

    I am very glad his coup failed.

    • BobSF_94117

      What he should be doing on Fox is bitching LOUDLY how all of a sudden the GOP is in favor of infrastructure when they couldn’t build a damn thing to recover from 2008.

      • William

        Fox would go to a commercial.

      • Ninja0980

        Indeed, the GOP should be called out on the carpet for that, not allowed to lie again.

  • Sam_Handwich

    o/t

    Eric Lipton
    Verified account

    ‏@EricLiptonNYT

    Preet Bharara, US attorney Southern District New York, arrived in lobby of Trump Tower at 12:43pm, boarded the elevator. Intrigue ensued.

    • Lazycrockett

      I truly hate this minute by minute elevator watch that is going on. This meaningless media coverage of stupid shit is driving me crazy.

    • Treant

      I don’t follow as to the significance?

      • Sam_Handwich

        speculation ranges from an investigation of Trump to Bharara looking for a new job.

        Obama appointed him to the post in 2009. He also served as chief counsel to Chuck Schumer and was involved with the senate investigation into the firing of US attorneys under Bush

  • Max_1

    Status quo won…

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Too bad. I like Tim Ryan.

  • Gerry Fisher

    This was a mistake. πŸ™

  • David
    • JCF

      Beware Sarah Palin!!!

  • Gil

    There’s no course but the same course. Jump back on the bus everybody, you’re seats are still warm!

  • andrew

    I think she was the better choice.

  • Brian

    If there were a political party that needs fresh faces this is it. The dems basically run 3 states and the repubs have the entire federal government and most of all the states. Message NOT received.

    • Ninja0980

      Sad to say but you’re right.
      We need new blood, simple as that.

    • One of the problem this year in the Senate race was too many of the same old tired faces when voters clearly wanted something new. Some of them were good enough people but it was too much same-old same-old.

  • John B

    Good grief, more of the same. I like Pelosi as much as the next person, but there are 434 other members of the House. Is there any bench being built up for new leadership? It has to be Pelosi? She represents the safest district in the country. Democrats in competitive races have to run away from her. Nothing personal, but that’s just political reality, and gerrymandering has insured she won’t be Speaker any time before 2022. 2006-2010 was a nice run, but it’s been downhill since.

  • patrick

    From San Francisco to the USA, my apologies for her reelection – she hasn’t represented our City’s values for over a decade…

  • mjcc1987

    So, republican base is getting older and democratic leadership is getting older. Who will reach the nursing home first? Do we not have anyone under 100 to lead the democratic party?

  • aar9n

    A little O/T, but Let me explain as a former Republican why Republicans win elections despite having unpopular views. As a Republican, I understood to always vote Republican. If I didn’t like the candidates, the time to air that was the primaries. We would never sit out an election, especially a midterm. Looking at the tea party movement and comparing it to my now liberal breathen, I see something very different. Liberals are more likely to protest or not vote when they don’t have a perfect candidate, and they are even less likely to vote in midterms and primaries. Compare the success of Occupy Wallstreet to the Tea party. One got a president elected because it understood that YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE SIDES.

  • gothambear

    Good bye Democratic wins in 2018 and 2020…we’ll just keep doing the same thing over and over and hope for a different result…

  • customartist

    “Keep on doing the same old thing and we might get differing results!
    Yeah that’s the ticket!”. – Signed: The Stupid Democratic House

  • CharlestonDave

    How bad a job do you have to do before you get fired?

  • bob

    Pelosi — who rescued the NSA program spying on innocent Americans. And we wonder why people have gone on to hate we Democrats……