Bernie Sanders Shrugs Off Recount Effort: It’s Not A Big Deal And Nobody Expects Profound Changes [VIDEO]

Via Politico:

Those despairing about Donald Trump’s election to the presidency should not be getting too excited about a Green Party-driven recount in some states, Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.” Sanders also sought to ensure that voters know the recount, which he said is “not a big deal,” is not being driven by the Democrats.

“The Democrats, Martha, are not doing the recount,” Sanders told ABC correspondent Martha Raddatz. “I trust that you know that was initiated by the Green Party, who has every right in the world to do it.”

“Well, of course they joined in,” Sanders said of the Clinton campaign’s participation. “We will see what happens. It’s a legal right. It’s not a big deal. I don’t think anybody, Secretary Clinton or anybody else, thinks that there’s going to be profound changes. And we will see what happens.”

Trump and his team have angrily decried the recount as a hypocritical move on the part of those Democrats participating, and the White House has pushed back on claims that the outcome could be altered.

  • bkmn

    Bernie, sometimes the best advice is to say nothing.

    • Paula

      What is that old saying?
      Its better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

      • Lawerence Collins

        Bitter much?!

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          Post-truth much?

          • Lawerence Collins

            Not at all! Except for those looking to falsely give blame for Clintons loss.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Um Paula didnt deserve to be called bitter. And bernard sanders would have lost too.

          • Lawerence Collins

            He was the true populist in the race. His net favorability was triple was Trumps was. In every poll taken, Bernie Sanders beat the 🍊Scourge easily.

        • Paula

          I am not bitter. It was a comment to bkmn’s post. I would have voted for Bernie had he been the nominee. Give it a rest.
          Bernie is doing what he needs to do to continue his career.

          • That’s the thing. Most Dems would have voted for Bernie if he was the candidate because either Hillary or Bernie would have been better than Trump. Can’t say the same for the rabble “leftists” who worked against Hillary though.

          • Do Something Nice

            28% of Clinton supporters polled said they would vote for McCain if Obama got the nomination in 2008. But the majority of Clinton supporters, except for a few loudmouths voted for Obama.

            It was just about the same in this election. The majority of Sanders voters voted for Clinton.

            LET IT GO.

          • Yes the majority of them did. We aren’t talking about the majority of them. We’re talking about the significant number of them that sat in their computer spreading lies about Hillary email.

          • Do Something Nice

            Most of the leftists didn’t care at all about the emails. They were concerned about being close to Wall Street, the lack of transparency, etc.

          • Again, you’re missing the point. There is a sizable minority of Bernier/so-called Leftists who did believe in those things, who did actively work against Clinton, and who are just as clueless as the right. Considering the voter turn out and how close the race was in many of the battle ground states, it is fair to assume that they had a significant impact on the electoral college outcome.

            If this doesn’t apply to you or any other Bernie supporter, then it doesn’t apply. If you’re not the ones actively spreading lies and propaganda, then clearly this is not attack on you.

          • If it doesn’t apply to you, move on.

          • Lawerence Collins

            Looks like you know nothing about Bernie Sanders then. He’s been fighting for the poor and middle class for decades.

    • cleos_mom

      That’s like asking a stripper to work without a pole.

  • Blake J Butler

    Because it needed to be checked for tampering because of Russia trying to influence our election.

    This election has been one fuckery after another. Little substance was provided to have concrete policy details, one candidate did so on a regular basis. The other candidate used fear mongering tactics, lip service, flat out lie about the lie about the lie, and have the media wrapped around his finger being dismissive of his MANY scandals, and emphasize on the sole scandal of his opponent for the duration of the election.

    • Michael R

      Trump is a salesman , America bought a lemon .

  • Lazycrockett

    How’s that revolution coming Bernie?

  • HZ81

    Bernie looks like the Incredible Mr. Limpet in that photo, and I don’t understand why there’s been such a “Meh” reaction to the idea of Russia hacking their way into the Oval Office.

  • another_steve

    Oy vey Bernie. Go away.

    Take your kids with you, and go away.

    • DaddyRay

      When you think about it both sides had their parties turned upside down by allowing outsiders to run in their parties. If Bernie and Trump were forced to run as Independents neither one of them would have received the attention they got.

      • another_steve

        I suspect historians will hold Sanders partially responsible for the obscenity that will be Donald Trump’s presidency. Sanders probably peeled away enough votes from Clinton — demoralized enough people who might otherwise have voted for her — to have affected the outcome.

        Shame on him.

        • danolgb

          Bernie certainly didn’t help by attacking the primary process in addition to attacking Hillary well after it was clear he lost. Not to mention, he never actually conceded.

  • Bryan

    And you just lost all measure of respect Bernie, how’s that feel? You wanted to talk about holding him accountable? Okay, here’s how you do that “we’re going to block every single thing he does – NOW about the recount in the news…”

  • AtticusP

    I don’t expect the election results to change. The only thing that this recount drive is going to do is confirm that we do, indeed, have millions of greedy and/or ignorant people in America that vote.

    And knowing that fact made Thanksgiving particularly difficult for me to celebrate this year without feeling a bit hypocritical.

    • vorpal

      Same here. I don’t expect the results to change, as I think Trump’s victory was based on a campaign of serious voter psychology manipulation by Trump, Russia, and Wikileaks. That being said, I’m not upset that the recount will happen.

      This has been a difficult period for so many people. I spoke to my social worker friend in Toronto last night for the first time since the election, and she said that spirits and hope were abysmally low in everyone she knows, and she knows many people are going so far as to seek therapy sessions to deal with how upset and frightened they are.

      I burst into tears three times the week after the election and needed comfort from the husband because I couldn’t believe people could be so horrible. I have come to a numb acceptance of it now.

      Indeed, the organization I work for (an international scientific one that is supported by several countries, but primarily the US) sent out several emails stating that many employees had contacted them in fear of losing their jobs because of the Trump presidency, and they were trying to reassure that they will do their best to make sure that that does not happen.

      Scary time. Some days, it’s hard to function knowing what is coming, especially after Obama.

      • Gerry Fisher

        >because I couldn’t believe people could be so horrible.

        One of the things that’s helping me to stabilize emotionally is the belief that most of them don’t understand that they did something horrible. They had “other reasons” (as they see it). Given what I know of psychology, it will take a LOT to break through this much denial. We know that the disaster of the Iraq War wasn’t enough to get people to see the real W…it took Katrina.

    • ElenorRigby

      The best that we can hope for is proof of some tampering or fraud. Just a bit. It might be enough to flip the EC. We all doubt that will happen. But it’s the only hope the earth has at the moment.

    • DaddyRay

      Voter suppression tactics and purging of voter rolls had a bigger impact and a recount will do nothing to address this

  • MonochromeMouse

    It’s already a big deal and making profound changes if it’s making Herr Trump look bad, we need to do to him what the republicans tried to do to Obama but we need to not back down, keep hammering at Trump over every minor thing and accusation about him, challenge him both online and by calling representatives every time he tries to do anything, keep him ranting and raving on twitter so everyone can see just what kind of person the republicans decided to help steal the election.

    • another_steve

      Excellent comment, MM. I doubt that the recounts will reverse the final election result, but assuming some irregularities are found, it will help delegitimize Trump’s presidency.

      Trump and his cronies spent years trying to delegitimize Obama’s presidency. That’s what “birtherism” was all about.

      Time now for the Democrats to use whatever tools they have against the Sexual Predator Elect.

      • MonochromeMouse

        The 60s are as remembered for the civil rights and Vietnam protests as they are for Kennedy and the Woodstock festival, and even as beloved as he is/was they are part of his legacy. Now that the internet is a thing most people have access to, Trump must be held accountable for EVERY unpresidential thing he does and has done since he got the nomination. He wanted to be president so badly well it’s time he started acting like one and stops being a spoiled child about everything.

  • Dramphooey

    I know it isn’t popular around here but I agree with Sanders. I’m not going to argue it any further because the course is set.

    • MonochromeMouse

      It’s not so much about changing the results, everyone knows that probably won’t happen, what all of this is about is sending a message to both Trump and his supporters that the majority of the population did not vote for him and that many of us do not consider his presidency to be legitimate.

    • Acronym Jim

      I’m confused about what some people in this thread are finding so offensive about his statements. Maybe they are misconstruing them.

      While Sanders is, of course, welcome to his opinion, I’m holding out hope that the recount may flip some states. After all, in Wisconsin, Trump lost 5,000 votes compared to Hillary’s 199 vote reduction, and that was just in ONE county.

  • Blake J Butler

    O/T: I just felt like giving my daily fuck you to pussygrab. What better way than to quote the impending senator of Illinois Tammy Duckworth.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2d56aa782122eb5716aa7a732042bc7cba928deb49e034b562c505deccf3cc5e.jpg

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  • xtal

    There will be massive protests in DC on the day that Orange Anus is inaugurated.

  • Do Something Nice

    Let the Sanders bashing continue. He said nothing wrong, but tear him a new one because it will move us ahead. Or something.

    Double satisfaction from keyboard warriors here who haven’t done shit ever to help anyone, and spend all their time honing their bitchy superficial queen comments.

    You know who you are. Pat yourselves on the back.

    • tcinsf

      just don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back.

      • Do Something Nice

        I’m not patting myself on the back, but continue on and pivot so you don’t have to deal with what I wrote.

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          I resent being called superficial as im sure most people who comment on here do also.
          You can call us many things but JMG readers/commenters are not plastic.
          And u know that.

          • Do Something Nice

            I didn’t call ALL JMG commenters superficial. I’m sorry if that is how you interpreted my comment.

          • Tiger Quinn

            Oh look, it’s the Bitchy Apology. Of course.

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          Honey, calm down. Don’t be so angry…just because your momma didn’t know how to use the coat hanger is no reason to take it out on the rest of us.

          • Do Something Nice

            Thanks so much for proving my “bitchy superficial queen” comment.

          • AC

            DSN, Sweetheart, you proved it yourself. No one is disputing that.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            There was nothing bitchy or superficial in my post. I merely pointed out a possible reason for your anger issues; that being that your mother didn’t abort you when she had the chance. I offered a hypothesis, you offered a rather banal rejoinder. As for being a Queen, no, I believe the term you seek is Dowager Empress.

      • Tiger Quinn

        No, go ahead and do that.

    • Moebym of the Rebel Alliance

      And your condescending comment is supposed to move us ahead?

      • Do Something Nice

        Well OK then. Continue to nitpick at people who are on our side.

        That is our ticket to success.

        • Tiger Quinn

          Goodbye, Deplorable.

    • Tiger Quinn

      Well, I can go ahead and be not okay with his “I’m a Democrat, now I’m not a Democrat” stuff, right? Or do you need final approval over that topic, too?

    • Tiger Quinn

      And really, check yourself asshole, you sound like some alt right dick.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada
      • Do Something Nice

        OMG, that’s such an original response! Did you think of it yourself?

        I haven’t seen that one is almost 2 hours.

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          OH! You got me!!! I’m so wounded by your skill at being obtuse!!! However shall I survive your brutally puerile retorts?!? Heaven forfend, your wit is so…singular in its enervation.

  • tcinsf

    Berne Sanders … the voice of reason.
    I’m getting comfortable on the other side of the looking glass.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Oh i guess Bernie is a Democrat again today.

    • GayOldLady

      Exactly……He needs to join the Party if he wants to influence in the Party. Otherwise his words ring hollow.

    • GayOldLady

      I also believe Bernie is basking a bit in Hillary’s defeat. I appreciate that he campaigned for her, but the events that I saw weren’t exactly inspirational.

      • Ninja0980

        He never really went all out for her.
        IMO, he helped sowed the seeds of distrust long before Trump, WikiLeaks or anyone else did.

  • GayOldLady

    My beef with Bernie is simple. Talking about what “We” should do in and with the Democratic Party makes more sense IF YOU’RE A DEMOCRAT. Bernie’s campaign manager said he would remain a Democrat after the primary regardless of the outcome and he hasn’t. Since he’s a Senator from VT there would be no issue with it from his constituency, so I’m baffled as to why he thinks his voice should be heard above or even before people who’ve worked their butts off for decades in the Democratic Party.

    • Do Something Nice

      Maybe because he was asked to appear on ABC?

      • GayOldLady

        Being asked to appear on ABC didn’t force him to pontificate on what the Democratic Party should do when he isn’t even a member of the Party. I believe Bernie should put his money and his effort where his mouth is.

        • danolgb

          Also, Bernie is out pushing his book. It was far more likely that his publisher booked him on ABC than ABC came seeking him. He’s been far more active post-election than he was “doing everything in his power to keep Trump from winning.”

      • GayOldLady

        Also, I don’t like his message that attempts to wrap everything in a neat little bundle of “working class”, while not acknowledging that within the “working class” there are serious divisions in opportunity and access for people of color. What Bernie is actually saying is there was a White Lash in this election, and he’s blaming that White Lash on the Dems concentrating too much on minority issues. I disagree!! What we saw in this election was racism and sexism show up in the rust belt, pure and simple. Donald Trump found that perfect electoral college storm and capitalized on it, but the fact remains that Hillary won by almost a 3 million vote margin, so there is a significant majority who wanted the message the Democratic Party and Hillary offered in the campaign.

    • Moebym of the Rebel Alliance

      Ugh, I have a friend who swears up and down that Bernie will be one of the leaders of the Democratic Party from here on out, and when I told him I disagreed, he told me my mind will change. Like, I think you’re cool, bro, but that was pretty condescending.

      • Treant

        I can’t see how. The Democratic Party wants (and has every right to restrict to) Democrats in high positions.

        Bernie’s also a very loose cannon with a very specific schtick that doesn’t mesh well with a broad-based party. He wouldn’t last long, and wouldn’t be happy, involved with the Democratic Party.

        • Moebym of the Rebel Alliance

          “Loose cannon”. Huh, where have I heard that before?

          Seriously, though, I think you’re right. He marches to the beat of his own drummer, and won’t like having to work within the machine. The Party should welcome his input, but not involve him in high-level decision-making.

          • Treant

            This was a Loose Cannon election, but I still think he couldn’t’ve won. He’s far too easy to attack, and far too involved with politics for far too long–as his only actual job, ever.

            We really don’t have a proper loose cannon on our side that we could have unleashed, nor do I think we should have. Just because loose cannons are, by definition, neither experienced nor able to be pointed in the direction required when Presidential issues arise.

          • Do Something Nice

            All of the polls showed him beating Trump by more than Clinton, but we know how good the polling was this year.

            But I disagree – I think a non loose cannon candidate who could speak passionately and inspire, someone like Obama, could have beat Trump, assuming the election wasn’t in fact rigged to make him the winner.

            I also think that Clinton’s campaign people made a few mistakes and those too could have cost her the election.

          • Moebym of the Rebel Alliance

            Didn’t Kurt Eichenwald say that the stack of papers containing oppo research on Sanders was two feet thick? They had shit on him that would have brought him down easily.

          • Treant

            I think so and yes, respectively. 🙂

      • GayOldLady

        Or to put a fine tip on Bernie’s comment, “we must remodel the house
        across the street that I don’t live in and have no vested interest in, because I say so”.

      • vorpal

        While I do think that Kaine was a pretty lame pick and did nothing to energize the voter base, I don’t think that picking Bernie would have really necessarily changed the outcome.

  • Pohaku

    This is all just telling the Republicans what they want to hear, so they continue appointing extreme people to all positions. Obama is not going down without a fight… he swore to defend the Constitution from foreign and domestic threats, and he has said REPEATEDLY Trump is a threat. History will not treat him well if he doesn’t try to stop this. With the ” innocent” recount, now provisional ballots will be in play… they weren’t tabulated in the first count… there will be challenges to include them…and there is proof of Republican intent to stop minorities from voting. Maybe hacking will surface. If it all goes to court because 3 states have major isues, it will end up at the Supremes.. Like Bush v Gore. The Dems are playing it cool so the Republicans don’t get to ready to fight yet. They are getting their ducks in order. Obama plays a long game.

  • Treant

    I suppose the Dems could make a better penetration into red states by taking a number of strategy pages from their opponents. We could lie about accomplishments and plans, cheat counts, and steal elections where we can’t win. We could make campaign promises to bring back jobs we all know are gone permanently.

    That would probably work. Unfortunately, it still doesn’t help anybody and isn’t the sort of party I want to be associated with.

    Two, Bernie…don’t dare tell me what’s important to me, or topical, or what’s a big deal. You don’t have that right.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: I remember hearing how churches ALWAYS try to front that they were leaders of good causes when they were actually evil as shit decades after the fight settles like civil rights.

    I bet the churches who kissed Trump’s ass & voted for him, if/when Trumpence turns into a catastrophe, will try to front ages after the fact that they were like sooooooooooo against the small-handed vulgarian predator.

    We need to shortcircuit that crap.

  • Tiger Quinn

    In terms of Obama – many is the time that I’ve thought he was beaten, but then he pulled a move that turned it all around. The man is brilliant, and I can’t imagine he’s just sitting there this whole time going “whatevs, peace out.” Nor is Hillary. No idea what they’re going to do, but I have to imagine that the behind the scenes machinations right now are simply titanic.

    • Tiger Quinn

      What a poor choice of words. 🙂

      • Treant

        Not if you mean in the sense that Obama and Hillary have hidden depths, which are about to scrape the sides of the Trumptanic.

        • Tiger Quinn

          Or that they’re stone cold blocks of ice that will sink the Trumptanic. The metaphor, like a woman’s heart, is full of depths. Or however that line goes, lol.

          • Treant

            It’s an ocean of secrets. Bad fag, bad fag.

      • cleos_mom

        Depends on which vessel you want to scrape against that iceberg.

    • Moebym of the Rebel Alliance

      I sure hope one of the things on their plate is doing something about the EC. People have been trying to get rid of it for decades without success, but this may be the beginning of the end of that archaic institution.

      • BobSF_94117

        The ONLY way it will ever go away is if the right sees that it could harm them in any way whatsoever.

        NOW is the time to show them that it isn’t always their friend.

        • Moebym of the Rebel Alliance

          I’d say try to appeal to their sense of duty to their country, but that won’t work, since they only feel a duty to their Party. :/

          • Kay

            Their sense of duty is why they keep it. The president is not supposed to be a direct election.

            The president is supposed to represent the states, and the people. Two separate concepts, and the reason for the tenth amendment. 80% of the electoral college is based on population, and 20% divided up among the states (just like Congress).

            It ensures that we don’t have simple mob rule, and that lower population states can’t simply railroad larger ones. A balance, and one that isn’t going anywhere (nor should it).

    • Kay

      They did a much better job when it was just the DNC. They had the strings to pull there.

  • BobSF_94117

    What the fuck is wrong with these people?

    Perfect opportunity to talk about voter suppression, gerrymandering, Russian interference, etc., etc., et-fucking-c.

    • Tiger Quinn

      Or if nothing else, to CALM the American people. “I support the recount as it will bring us together blah blah blah.” See, it’s just not that fucking hard.

      • BobSF_94117

        The last thing we should be at this stage is calm.

        • Tiger Quinn

          Of course – but if he was even a fraction Presidential, those tweets would be saying reassuring things. Ugh, that goblin piece of crap.

    • Treant

      …but that has NOTHING to do with income inequality!

  • greenmanTN

    It probably won’t change anything now, but give it 10 years and I suspect we’re going to know a LOT more about what happened with this election behind the scenes than we do now.

    • Tiger Quinn

      I give it until one of the Republicans is either pissed off by him, shut out by him, or just had enough of his crap. I give is honestly 6 months before camps start forming.

    • JCF

      “but give it 10 years”

      IF we survive the next 4!

      • greenmanTN

        Boy howdy! You’re preaching to the choir.

  • IamM

    It may not change the results of the election, so don’t get your hopes up too high, but:
    1) Doing nothing certainly wouldn’t change anything.
    2) And whether or not it changes the results it can both clarify them and establish to what extent the voting system is being run in a secure and impartial manner that is worthy of the trust we put into it.

  • thatotherjean

    Love you, too, Bernie.

  • AC

    Why does this Independent (per his US Senate webpage 11/27/16) keep spouting off about what the Democratic Party needs to do?

    • cleos_mom

      Because he was taken far more seriously over the past 16 or so months than he should have been.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Bernie, you seem like a nice old man, so please, don’t doddle, just…go.

  • I don’t know, Bernie. They’ve already discovered almost 5,000 false Trump votes in just three of Wisconsin’s seventy-two counties, and the recount hasn’t even started yet.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/25/report-thousands-wisconsin-votes-trump-recount-begins.html

    • cleos_mom

      Doesn’t have anything to do with his standard stump speech.

  • cleos_mom

    Nice to see Saint Bernard “finding common ground” with il Douche and his merry band.

    • danolgb

      He certainly came around to saying he’d come together with Trump to work on common ground faster than he did with Clinton.

      • cleos_mom

        Wish I could find that surprising but I don’t. He and Trump have the same EVERYTHING IS ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! mentality.

  • andrew

    He’s right.

  • It’s not at all hypocritical. For those of you facing Trumpanzees screaming at you about this, here’s the truth and how to explain it: The Clinton campaign did not call for the recount, and they have acknowledged that even the margin for the narrowest state would be the widest margin of any race reversed by a recount. That said, IF there is going to be any counting of ballots, it would be irresponsible of them to not participate in observing and making sure everything is on the up and up. While they are not calling for recounts in any states, they will participate in vote counting monitoring anywhere that occurs.

    • Kay

      Speaking as a Trump supporter, Trump needs to understand the difference between doing something for legal reasons and doing it because you want to.

      Jill Stein wanted money and to make a name for herself. She got it. As long as the recounts are happening, the DNC wants to be involved. If they don’t, there is increased risk of fraud, and that’s bad for all of us.

  • This recount is not going to change the election results and swing the electoral college to Hillary. It is ludicrous to think that it can. If all these millions of dollars were given to Foster Campbell in Louisiana, who is running as the Democrat in the runoff on December 10, and has a good chance of winning, that would be a good use of the money. That would keep the Senate 51 – 49 Republican and would send a powerful message to Senators up in 2018 to leave safety net legislation alone.

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